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Open Thread: Constitutionalists

by Anne Laurie|  January 4, 20115:09 pm| 111 Comments

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How has our Constitution failed you today?

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  1. 1.

    Tom Hilton

    January 4, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    How has our Constitution failed you today?

    By not being the Articles of Confederation.
    [/teatard]

  2. 2.

    Mike Kay (Team America)

    January 4, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    Ouch! The far left is gonna feel this one.

    Jon Stewart mocks moronic baffoon Cenk Uygur and calls Obama “a Jedi Knight”.

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-3-2011/barack-obama-is-luke-skywalker

    I imagine usual roster of haters will lash out and label Jon Stewart as a Kim Jong-il communist/cultist, a nazi, and a veal for supporting NØbama.

  3. 3.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    January 4, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    The teatards are going to shit themselves when they find out the census is explicitly called for in the Constushun.

  4. 4.

    sb

    January 4, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Are you kidding? I’m white and I have a dick! The Constitution has not failed me. Just ask Scalia.

  5. 5.

    Mike Kay (Team America)

    January 4, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    Ah shit! the writing is on the wall — Obama is finished

    http://tinyurl.com/2fuetar

  6. 6.

    Tonal Crow

    January 4, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    @Xecky Gilchrist: The teatards are going to shit themselves when they find out that Art.I s.8 cl.3 gives Congress the power “To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States…”. Their masters had told them that the Constitution enshrines Galtism.

  7. 7.

    General Stuck

    January 4, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    My constitutional worked just fine today. Who knows about tomorrow?

  8. 8.

    PaulW

    January 4, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    How has our Constitution failed you today?

    My state constitution failed to stop a MEDICARE FRAUD from paying $75 million to buy the governor’s office.

  9. 9.

    Tonal Crow

    January 4, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    @Mike Kay (Team America): Is every thread here required to be hijacked with this trash?

  10. 10.

    The Moar You Know

    January 4, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Jon Stewart mocks moronic baffoon Cenk Uygur

    @Mike Kay (Team America): Stop right there. “Moronic buffoon” is far too kind for the idiot in human form that is Cenk Uygur.

    I’m glad Stewart pantsed him in public, and hope it was brutal. Uygur is an embarrassment to leftist politics and progressivism in general.

  11. 11.

    fasteddie9318

    January 4, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    @Mike Kay (Team America):

    The “far left” is “gonna feel” Jon Stewart mocking(1) Cenk Uygur? Cenk Uygur? Seriously? Is your definition of “far left” 5 bloggers in a bunker in downtown San Francisco?

    (1) “Mocking” by including a 2 second clip of him in the middle of a mash up of several other clips. I’ve seen Uygur mocked harder in the comments of his own GOS diaries.

  12. 12.

    Martin

    January 4, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Still have this goddamn cold. I’m the worst sick person evah. Pain I can handle but fevers turn me into a delirious zombie who can barely stand. I want to do that freaky friday thing with someone with a normal body. It can be just as old and pudgy as mine, I’m not that greedy.

  13. 13.

    kommrade reproductive vigor

    January 4, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    The Teapanties are going to crap when they discover there’s more to the Constitution than the 2nd Amendment.

  14. 14.

    Yutsano

    January 4, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    Well they haven’t repealed the Sixteenth Amendment yet so I still haz a job. So no fail as of yet.

    BTW they never did say if they were reading the Amendments too or just the original text. It wouldn’t shock me if they skipped that.

  15. 15.

    gene108

    January 4, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    The Constitutions biggest failure is it is nothing but a bunch of compromises.

  16. 16.

    Mark S.

    January 4, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    Why do I read memeorandum? To get legal analysis from such scholars as Confederate Yankee:

    The only gender references in the document plainly refer to males… do we need to highlight that? Furthermore, this is a commonly understood reading of the document that is utterly uncontroversial. The single sex nature of the 14th Amendment is the reason that an Equal Rights Amendment creating a Constitutional basis for equality between the sexes has been proposed time and again since 1923.

    I guess he’s referring to Section 2, but the only part of the 14th that matters is Section 1: “nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

  17. 17.

    Mumphrey (formerly Renfrew Squeevil (formerly Mumphrey Oddison Yamm (formerly Mumphrey O. Yamm (formerly Mumphrey))))

    January 4, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    @sb:

    No, but the government has! And it’s all because this country has turned its back on our Judeo-Christian values like stoning adulterers, killing children who talk back to their parents and not eating crabcakes. This has led to the utter breakdown of our morality, the wholesale adoption of the homosexual agenda, and left us a country where the blacks, Hispanics, women, homosexuals and other assorted unworthies don’t show enough deference to people like us: white people with dicks! I mean, come on, there’s a black guy living in the White House! I’m pretty sure that’s explicitly forbidden in the Constitution. But our liberal-elite-atheist-Mulsim-nazi-Stalinist-fascist-Marxist-elitist-liberal-eliteist cabal running us into the ground are blatantly ignoring all the stuff that isn’t in the Constitution that I want to be there! Damned atheist Muslim bastards. I want my country back!

  18. 18.

    JGabriel

    January 4, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Mike Kay (Team America):

    Ouch! The far left is gonna feel this one.

    Dude, why don’t you just change your name to Mike Kay (Hippie Puncher)? That seems to be your favorite topic.

    I really don’t get the urge to attack people who, while we might disagree on tactics, are at least nominally on our sided — as opposed to attacking the Republicans who are causing most of the trouble.

    [This post has been another chapter in the JGabriel series of posts entitled “Just A Reminder That I’m Still Really Tired Of All The Divisive Hippie Punching That Plays Into GOP Divide and Conquer Strategies”.]

    .

  19. 19.

    Mike Kay (Team America)

    January 4, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    @Tonal Crow: geez, since when did jon stewart become trash? you guys are really hateful, as bad was the teabaggers.

  20. 20.

    Dave

    January 4, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    You’re all so silly. When they find something they don’t like in this august, magisterial and perfectly perfect document…they’ll just ignore it:

    Rep. Scott Garrett (R-NJ), founder and chairman of the House Constitution Caucus, today introduced a resolution in the House of Representatives that would require all legislation to appropriately cite an enumerated power in the U.S. Constitution. Garrett’s House rule resolution would require all bills and amendments to contain a statement appropriately citing a specific power granted to Congress in the Constitution. Invoking the “general welfare clause” or the “necessary and proper clause” would not be adequate constitutional citations.

    Because, hey, that part is obviously bullshit.

  21. 21.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 4, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    You know, there’s so much stuff in the Constitution that the teabaggers find objectionable, it’s really hard to compose a list. Just present the document and watch their heads assplode.

    Of course, my favorite part of the Constitution is the last sentence in Article VI which concludes with but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

    Drives the Jeebofascists bonkers, it does.

  22. 22.

    Mike Kay (Team America)

    January 4, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    @JGabriel: wait a minute, I get called names all the time: “veal” “obot” “cultist” “nazi” “communist” and I have never cried. “far left” is a far cry from calling someone a “cultist”. boy, some people are so soft. they can dish it out, but cry like little girls when their fee fees are hurt.

  23. 23.

    kdaug

    January 4, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Had this same conversation with my deeply “Christian” mother over the holidays. Asked her if she was a “strict constitutionalist”.

    “But of course”.

    “So you think blacks are three-fifths of a man and women don’t have the right to vote?”

    Eyes narrowing. “I see what you’re trying to do there. That’s not what I meant.”

    “But that’s how it’s written.”

    “No, I meant with the amendments. That’s what I meant.”

    “So you believe in the Constitution as a ‘living document’, subject to change over time? That as people and societies evolve, we can redress issues that we might have ignored in earlier times?”

    ….

    “Where did your dogs go?”

    I was going to move on to the Bible, but my step-father came back into the room.

  24. 24.

    Mike Kay (Team America)

    January 4, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    @fasteddie9318: if you feel that way, then, by definition, your defense was unnecessary.

  25. 25.

    Tonal Crow

    January 4, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    @Mike Kay (Team America):

    @Tonal Crow: geez, since when did jon stewart become trash? you guys are really hateful, as bad was the teabaggers.

    “You guys”? Where, pray tell, did I say anything about the Jon Stewart clip with which you hijacked this thread — let along anything “hateful” or “as bad was [sic] the teabaggers”?

    Oh, right — I didn’t.

    You can apologize now.

    And consider whether dividing those who oppose Republicans might help the Republicans.

  26. 26.

    dmsilev

    January 4, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Teabaggers read the Constitution the way fundamentalists read the Bible: Picking out a few key sections that they like, willfully ignoring whole swaths of the document which they find inconvenient or distasteful, and in general demonstrating gross ignorance of the actual contents of the document which they claim to revere.

    dms

  27. 27.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 4, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    @Mark S.:

    I guess he’s referring to Section 2, but the only part of the 14th that matters is Section 1: “nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

    Well, you have to realize that a “person” must have a white dick in order to be called a “person”.

    When you have that context firmly in mind, the rest flows like fine wine.

  28. 28.

    kommrade reproductive vigor

    January 4, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    @Mark S.: Because “man” has never been used to refer to human beings in general. Wow.

  29. 29.

    El Cid

    January 4, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    @Xecky Gilchrist: They don’t mind the census. They just think that anything beyond a general headcount is un-Constushul.

    …the only proper “constitutional duty” is to simply count the people in a given area (not their address, gender, work status, ethnic background, number of toilets, etc.)…

    It remains to be seen how it is that the federal government could conduct a verifiable, actual Enumeration without using addresses.

  30. 30.

    MikeJ

    January 4, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Dear Mr.President, there are too many states now-a-days, please eliminate three.

  31. 31.

    Mumphrey (formerly Renfrew Squeevil (formerly Mumphrey Oddison Yamm (formerly Mumphrey O. Yamm (formerly Mumphrey))))

    January 4, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    @Dave:

    I see the bit about providing for the “common defense”, which is in the same fucking sentence as “general Welfare”, is peachy as a justification, though. Wouldn’t want to piss off General Dynamics, Halliburton or Blackwater. I’m kind of amazed they didn’t forbid “establish Justice” to be a justification. They must’ve missed that one somehow. No worry, though, I’m sure they’ll get around to scratching that one, too…

  32. 32.

    Tonal Crow

    January 4, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: I understand that Thomas Jefferson and his co-conspirator James Madison put that part in.

  33. 33.

    New Yorker

    January 4, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    How has our Constitution failed you today?

    That freakin’ 14th amendment is still there. All my privileges as a white male Christian (OK, I don’t believe a word of the Bible, but I went to CCD and Church until I was 18, I can fake it to retain my status) have gone out the window to allow dirty Messicans and Muslim Kenyan Marxists to rule the country. Hell, there are two women not in the kitchen and on the Supreme Court, and one is a dirty Messican and the other is a Sodomite!

  34. 34.

    Tonal Crow

    January 4, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    @dmsilev: Speaking of fundie ignorance of the Bible, none of them seem to know about (or to admit knowing about) that disgusting bet between “Satan” and “the Lord” about whether “Satan” could get that poor schlep Job to curse “the Lord”. For them, the Book of Job is all about the “rewards of faith”, or some such horsepucky.

  35. 35.

    Tonal Crow

    January 4, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    @El Cid: But but but but doesn’t that mean that the census count would include — gasp!!! — illegal immigrants????

  36. 36.

    Mike Kay (Team America)

    January 4, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    @Tonal Crow:

    “which you hijacked this thread”

    Is this michelle bachman? How can you hijack an open thread?

  37. 37.

    Yutsano

    January 4, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    @New Yorker:

    Hell, there are two three women not in the kitchen and on the Supreme Court, and one is a dirty Messican and the other is a Sodomite!

    You fergot the Jooish wimmen. Also.

  38. 38.

    fasteddie9318

    January 4, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Well, you have to realize that a “person” must have a white dick in order to be called a “person”.

    Here’s a question for the Constitutional scholars: does it have to be your own white dick, or can you take one from somebody else?

  39. 39.

    Tonal Crow

    January 4, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    @Mike Kay (Team America): Dodging the question again, I see. Apologize for your smear.

    But I admit you’re correct about the open thread. I should have said “spammed” instead of “hijacked”.

  40. 40.

    JGabriel

    January 4, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Mike Kay (Team America):

    I get called names all the time: “veal” “obot” “cultist” …

    Again, you’re fighting with your own side.

    It takes two to tango, and you’re repeatedly — to the point of predictability — choosing to highlight disagreements with a small minority of people on the left. As you’ve pointed out elsewhere, more than 90% of self-described liberals support Obama.

    Since less 25% of the country describes themselves as liberal, that means you’re more focused on the slights of less than 2.5% of the country, rather than the problems caused by the GOP and the very real majority of voters who elected to let Republicans take over the House this year.

    If that’s what you want to do, that’s your choice. All I’m saying is: I don’t get the fetish for hippie punching. It just seems counter-productive to me.

    .

  41. 41.

    gene108

    January 4, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    @New Yorker: Don’t forget Catholics and Jews.

    Prior to the adoption of the 14th Amendment states could and did restrict voting or holding statewide office on the basis of religion. Several states barred non-Christians, such as Catholics and Jews, from serving in government or voting.

    I hope Eric Cantor’s paying attention to the repeal the 14th Amendment talk and what life was like prior to the 14th Amendment.

  42. 42.

    singfoom

    January 4, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    @Tonal Crow: Crow, disengage. Stop any pursuit of Mike Kay. He’s just trolling. It’s not as if the idea of degrees of support is beyond his capacity, he just chooses to ignore the idea that one might have small beefs with WH tactics, like Jon Stewart and in general support Obama.

    No use talking to a binary troll.

  43. 43.

    MattR

    January 4, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    @singfoom: Or the possibility that we can like Jon Stewart but still think he can be wrong on occassion, like I did about the bit on the SF Happy Meal bans (EDIT: I can’t believe I forgot the more obvious and egregious example of his early ACORN coverage)

  44. 44.

    PeakVT

    January 4, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Are any teahadists calling for the elimination of the Air Force? That’s not in the Constitution.

  45. 45.

    PIGL

    January 4, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    @MikeJ: Ooooh. Can I pick? Can I, please please please?

    Let’s start with Texas (hand off to Mexico), Florida (evacuate and scuttle), and then someone else can decide between Maine, Missouri, Alaska and Arkansas.

  46. 46.

    Gina

    January 4, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Oh, I tell you what, that darned constitution is getting on my last good nerve these days! It NEVER does the dishes, not even unloading the dishwasher – much less washing the pots by hand. I don’t mind doing the laundry, but the stupid constitution can’t even be bothered to put the stuff away – even AFTER I’ve folded and sorted it into the baskets!

    The constitution always asks what’s for dinner, but has it ever ONCE offered to cook? No. As for the last time the constitution took me out to a restaurant that doesn’t involved drive-thru windows or buffet tables, HAHAHA. Try and get the constitution to walk the dogs or clean litter boxes, you’ll just wait and give up and do it yourself.

    Fucking constitution, what does it ever do for ME?

  47. 47.

    freelancer

    January 4, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    @kommrade reproductive vigor:

    Because “man” has never been used to refer to human beings in general. Wow.

    That would actually be highly amusing…

    “One small step for dicks, one giant leap for dick-kind.”

    “Are you Jesus of Nazareth?”
    “Indeed, I am the Son of Dicks.”

  48. 48.

    Yutsano

    January 4, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    @PIGL: I offered the other day to let RedKitten organize the Canadian invasion of Alaska. Funny enough, she didn’t bite. I’d just as soon let them go off on their own and see how they survive without federal welfare.

  49. 49.

    Mike Kay (Team America)

    January 4, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    @singfoom: “small beefs”? I think the far left at FDL et al. would be insulted with your characterization of their objections.

  50. 50.

    Mike Kay (Team America)

    January 4, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    @JGabriel:

    “If that’s what you want to do, that’s your choice. All I’m saying is: I don’t get the fetish for hippie punching. It just seems counter-productive to me.”

    I thought you guys wanted a “fighter”?

    btw, have you ever posted a comment saying the trashing of the 91% of liberal democrats who support obama by the usual suspects is counter-productive?

    and when did “far left” become an insult? It’s not like labeling 91% of lib dems “cultists” who worship a Kim Jong-il like dictator, like st. glenn.

  51. 51.

    trollhattan

    January 4, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    @PeakVT:

    Good point! Sell it to Haliburton? India?

  52. 52.

    El Cid

    January 4, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    @Tonal Crow: The problem with such anti-Constitutionalists as you is that you don’t recognize that the majority of Article I is unconstitutional.

    What the Constushun says about the Census, or more Constushunally, the Enumeration, is this:

    (Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.) [The previous sentence in parentheses was modified by the 14th Amendment, section 2.] The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five and Georgia three.

    What people do not realize is that it is actually un-Constushull for there to be a Congress which makes laws. The Enumeration is to take place exactly in the way specified by the text above. Which does not define how that is to occur, but any attempt by anti-Constushull political meddlers to mess with this language as set down by the Founding Father Gods by coming up with so-called ‘laws’ which say which questions are to be asked and by whom and how to find people and how to record this information and how to store the information and how to release the information (or not) and how to pay for it.

    The only law we need is to keep repeating the Constushun, and have a President to enforce it and Supreme Court judges to punish people who try to come up with any laws other than the Constushun itself.

    The purpose of Congress is to read the Constushun out loud whenever there is a question about what people are allowed to do.

  53. 53.

    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford

    January 4, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    @JGabriel:

    Something about Mike Kay (Team America) makes me think he’s a spoof-troll or trolling spoof.

  54. 54.

    El Cid

    January 4, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    @gene108: In Spain the Jews did just fine by hiding their religion. Why should the United States fail to follow a working example?

  55. 55.

    Mike Kay (Team America)

    January 4, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: posting two positive links about obama and mocking blowhards who bash obama supporters is now considered trolling? has the blogosphere gone that insane or was it always that uneducated?

  56. 56.

    bostondreams

    January 4, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    @PaulW:

    Let me guess. You are in the great state of Florida too, hmmm. I cannot belive that walking Douche, Governor Skeletor, won. And as a public school teacher, I am terrified.

  57. 57.

    Tonal Crow

    January 4, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    @El Cid:

    @Tonal Crow: The problem with such anti-Constitutionalists as you is that you don’t recognize that the majority of Article I is unconstitutional.

    FTW!

  58. 58.

    General Stuck

    January 4, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    @Mike Kay (Team America):

    posting two positive links about obama and mocking blowhards who bash obama supporters is now considered trolling? has the blogosphere gone that insane or was it always that uneducated?

    No it’s not trolling, after two years of pretty much non stop unmitigated bullshit from Obama opponents from the left on this blog, some unmitigated support of Obama should be perfectly allowable, especially when it is fact based with stats and stuff.

    You keep doing what you are Mikekay, I will consider it obligatory troll protection. Others can view it however they wish.

  59. 59.

    JGabriel

    January 4, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Mike Kay (Team America):

    mocking blowhards who bash obama supporters is now considered trolling?

    On our left flank? Those are windmills, Quixote.

    I’ll be fighting on the right side of the field, where the real battles are.

    .

  60. 60.

    Svensker

    January 4, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    @Dave:

    Rep. Scott Garrett (R-NJ), founder and chairman of the House Constitution Caucus, today introduced a resolution in the House of Representatives that would require all legislation to appropriately cite an enumerated power in the U.S. Constitution.

    Because holding folks without charging them and employing torture is so fucking Constitutional. I hate that Garrett guy — he’s a twisted little dick, uber “Christian” who lives out in the sticks with his home-schooled spawn and his death’s head visage. Fucking fucker. The NJ Dems could have taken him out 2 years ago but they didn’t want to back the non-machine guy who was running against him (a fucking BLIND rabbi, who happened to be anti-war), so we still have Mr. Weird Garrett in office, fuck those fucking machine Dems. Fuckers.

    Other than that, it’s all good.

  61. 61.

    sb

    January 4, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    @Mumphrey (formerly Renfrew Squeevil (formerly Mumphrey Oddison Yamm (formerly Mumphrey O. Yamm (formerly Mumphrey)))):

    You owe me a new keyboard.

  62. 62.

    Mike Kay (Team America)

    January 4, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    @General Stuck: you know, I’ve never seen an obama supporter break down and cry and SCREAM troll when someone directly uses patently trollish language like “obot” and “cultists” and “grow a pair of balls” and “worshiper”, yet using the (by comparison) tame phrase “far left” causes various bloggers to faint. talk about soft. Looks like insult they’re so fond of, “veal”, is in actuality a self projection.

  63. 63.

    Pangloss

    January 4, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    @gene108: Just ask the 3/5ths of a person who’s running the country.

  64. 64.

    General Stuck

    January 4, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    Peter King is sounding more like Joe Mccarthy every day. Seems about everybody ought to be prosecuted by The Espionage Act, even legitimate news papers.

    Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.), the incoming chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, ripped into The New York Times Tuesday for telling him in a weekend editorial to tone down his rhetoric.

    From King’s response, there is no indication he will do anything of the sort.

    “I’m absolutely delighted that The New York Times would attack me,” he said in an interview with The Hill. “I have nothing but contempt for them. They should be indicted under the Espionage Act. … The New York Times is just basically being a mouthpiece for political correctness.”

    IMHO, The Espionage Act of 1917 is an odious law that should be repealed. It should not be used to threaten a prosecution of Assange, or the NYT’s , or anyone else. It is un American to it’s core. And it also seems to be taking root in the right wing lizard brain, as increasing taunts or threats toward folks they don’t like or agree with. This is a very dangerous thing, if it gets out of hand.

  65. 65.

    burnspbesq

    January 4, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    @New Yorker:

    one is a dirty Messican

    She’s actually a dirty Portoricken. From da Bronx, no less.

  66. 66.

    JGabriel

    January 4, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    Mike Kay (Team America):

    talk about soft.

    Not soft. Just choosing more important, less inanely silly, battles.

    .

  67. 67.

    JGabriel

    January 4, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    Mike Kay (Team America):

    I’ve never seen an obama supporter break down and cry and SCREAM troll when someone directly uses patently trollish language like “obot” and “cultists” and “grow a pair of balls” and “worshiper” …

    No mirror at your place?

    .

  68. 68.

    freelancer

    January 4, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    Wonkette so gobsmacked at video of RNC debate that they can’t find it in themselves to bring any snark:

    They are absolute idiots, as common and empty as any small-town city councilmembers wondering aloud if they need to follow federal law, inept talking heads as smugly vapid as Sarah Palin herself, yet with none of her trailer-park basic-cable charms. If the hotel shuttle carrying these morons ran off the Key Bridge tonight, America would gain a collective IQ point.

  69. 69.

    burnspbesq

    January 4, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    @Svensker:

    Because holding folks without charging them and employing torture is so fucking Constitutional. I hate that Garrett guy—he’s a twisted little dick, uber “Christian” who lives out in the sticks with his home-schooled spawn and his death’s head visage. Fucking fucker. The NJ Dems could have taken him out 2 years ago but they didn’t want to back the non-machine guy who was running against him (a fucking BLIND rabbi, who happened to be anti-war), so we still have Mr. Weird Garrett in office, fuck those fucking machine Dems. Fuckers.

    You go, girl. I grew up in that district. We had good Congresscritters in the past, sane Republicans like Marge Roukema and Bill Widnall. I’d like to tar and feather Garrett and ride him up Franklin Turnpike on a rail, all the way from the middle of Ho-Ho-Kus to the state line.

  70. 70.

    Ahasuerus

    January 4, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    @PIGL: We need to keep Maine for the lobstah, maple syrup, and LL Bean. And doesn’t Missouri have that cool arch giant croquet hoop?

  71. 71.

    MattR

    January 4, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    @burnspbesq: You will not, I repeat NOT, leave that fucker in Rockland.

  72. 72.

    Maude

    January 4, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    @General Stuck:
    There’s whingeing afoot about William Daley. He might be chosen as the chief of staff. He worked or works at JP Morgan.
    Oh noes!

  73. 73.

    burnspbesq

    January 4, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    @MattR:

    Try and stop me!

  74. 74.

    Mike Kay (Team America)

    January 4, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    @JGabriel: you make an interesting point on their marginal standing.

  75. 75.

    Mike Kay (Team America)

    January 4, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    @JGabriel: my reflection can’t be picked up on mirrors. one of the downsides of immortality.

  76. 76.

    Dennis SGMM

    January 4, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    @freelancer:

    I heard a couple of the RNC types on NPR this morning. After a couple of calls from people of color complaining that the Republicans seemed to be down on non-white people, the RNC types both agreed (In words of finest boilerplate) that the party needed to do more outreach to minorities.

    Doubtless the R’s planned assault on the 14th Amendment will put them in solid with minority voters.

  77. 77.

    General Stuck

    January 4, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    @Maude:

    If not that, then it will be something else. The leftist nutroots may be small in number, but they are loud and some of them get themselves on teevee way too much, and drag their lame horseshit over here. Otherwise, I would ignore them with extreme prejudice.

    edit – and the only thing I care about bringing Daley into the WH, is if he also brings any legal luggage from the past in the form of active federal investigations. Obama and us don’t need that kind of trouble. I doubt he makes CoS myself

  78. 78.

    Chad N Freude

    January 4, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    @El Cid:

    In Spain the Jews did just fine by hiding their religion.

    The Jews that didn’t hide their religion, also known as “most Jews”, not so fine. Please tell me that that was an ironic joke. Please.

    ETA: I responded before noticing that it was you. It really was an ironic joke. Never mind.

  79. 79.

    Mark S.

    January 4, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    @freelancer:

    “What? I thought you said favorite bar!”

    And did one guy say “The Law”? Is that something by Grisham?

    Only the person who said “To Kill A Mockingbird” managed to not make themselves look like a complete dipshit. All in all, that was quite impressive.

  80. 80.

    MattR

    January 4, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    @burnspbesq: Don’t make me build a wall

  81. 81.

    Nellcote

    January 4, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    @MikeJ:

    there are too many states now-a-days, please eliminate three

    Can we start with the three with dead birds falling out of the sky? It’s a sign from god after all.

  82. 82.

    Comrade Dread

    January 4, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    @El Cid: Yeah. Pretty much the reason they’re against the census.

    Of course, they’re also for federal officers writing their own subpoenas without judicial oversight and retaining the right to listen in on our communications whenever they feel like it, so try and reconcile that with their paranoia that the census represents the government spying on them.

  83. 83.

    JGabriel

    January 4, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    @Mike Kay (Team America): LOL’d. Good retort.

    .

  84. 84.

    El Cid

    January 4, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    @Chad N Freude: Yes. Joke. Dark, but joke.

  85. 85.

    burnspbesq

    January 4, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    @MattR:

    Build it as high as you like. We’ll get a catapult. And then it will be “fetchez le Garrett.”

  86. 86.

    El Cid

    January 4, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    @Comrade Dread:

    …their paranoia that the census represents the government spying on them.

    What do you mean ‘paranoia’? Does the census not take their names and associate them with an address and count how many people are in the household? Combined with the un-Constushull income tax which even makes them tell the government how much money they make and get tax credits for giving up other private information, what sort of 1984 totalitarian state have we become?

    Whatever happened to living somewhere on a mountainside in the woods of Appalachia and having it be rumored that your family might live in some estimated area, but have it be uncertain because you shoot at anyone who comes near since so many intend to violate your privacy regarding your income?

  87. 87.

    dogwood

    January 4, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    @gene108:
    “non-Christians, such as Catholics and Jews” ?? Strange statement since Catholics are Christians.

  88. 88.

    Suffern ACE

    January 4, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    @burnspbesq: Could you aim him toward Sloatsburg?

  89. 89.

    El Cid

    January 4, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    @dogwood:

    Strange statement since Catholics are Christians.

    Though it’s changing now due to the attacks of the Muslims, a few years ago you could ask that of Southern Baptists.

    Alabama Senator Thomas Heflin (yeah, Howell’s uncle) and legal segregationist hero:

    What did I see in the [1924 Democratic] convention at New York? I saw Roman Catholic delegates in the corridors of the hotels noisily demanding that the Ku-Klux-Klan be denounced by the Democratic convention. I talked to a number of them. I said, “Gentlemen, that question has got no business in this convention; you may not like the Klan, but you have got no business trying to get a National Democratic Convention to denounce it. It is a Protestant order and Protestants generally think that you want it denounced because you are Catholics. What would you think if it sought to denounce the Knights of Columbus by the convention? Nobody but Catholics can join that order.” “No,“ they replied,” we want the convention to denounce it.“ I said, ”If you do, you will tear the Democratic Party to pieces,“ and a number of them replied, ”To hell with the party if it will not denounce the Klan.” So I tell you Senators again that they put Roman Catholic government above everything, above the Democratic Party, and above their country. That is plain talk, but it is the plain truth…
    __
    …Mr. President, in the name of all that is dear to us as a free people I call on my countrymen to wake up. The climax of this move is Al Smith’s candidacy for President. Wake up, Americans! Gird your loins for political battle, the like of which you here not seen in all the tide of time in this country. Get ready for this battle. The Roman Catholics of every country on the earth are backing his campaign. Already they are spending money in the South buying up newspapers, seeking to control the vehicles that carry the news to the people. They are sending writers down there from New York and other places to misrepresent and slander our State, all this to build a foundation on which to work for Al Smith for President. The Roman Catholic edict has gone forth in secret articles, “Al Smith is to be made President.” Doctor McDaniel said: “Of all countries the Pope wants to control this country.” “The Knights of Columbus slogan,“ said Doctor Chapman, . . . ”is make America Catholic.” Here they tell you in their book that they will force the propaganda of Protestants to cease, they will lay the heavy hand of a Catholic state upon you and crush the life out of Protestantism in America.

    You evil Catholics, treading upon our freedoms to have a force which terrorizes blacks and immigrants and Catholics and sympathizers, and which by this time is most heavily operating out of Indiana!

  90. 90.

    Yutsano

    January 4, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    And then it will be “fetchez le GarrettGarrotte.”

    Adjusted to reflect my slightly twisted sense of humor.

  91. 91.

    Mike Kay (Team America)

    January 4, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    @JGabriel:

    ya know reading through this earlier thread (https://balloon-juice.com/2011/01/04/pharohs-younger-son/) I’ve determined I’m a pacifist when it comes to hippie-punching.

    phew, it’s a cage match in there.

  92. 92.

    gene108

    January 4, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    @dogwood:

    I was thinking about this Pat Robertson quote:

    “You say you’re supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don’t have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist. I can love the people who hold false opinions but I don’t have to be nice to them.”–Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, January 14, 1991.

    But looking at it again, he didn’t single out Catholics, which I thought he did.

    Anyway, plenty of states in the 1790’s had rules against Catholics voting or holding state offices. It’d be interesting to see how people would react to those rules being put back in place today, since that was the world the Founders occupied and condoned.

  93. 93.

    Anne Laurie

    January 4, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: __

    Something about Mike Kay (Team America) makes me think he’s a spoof-troll or trolling spoof.

    Just because “Mike Kay” does nothing but braaaaavely patrol the far reaches of his own imagination, forever defending a man who doesn’t need it from the horrors of interwebz criticism?

    If BJ were important enough to have its own NSA ‘minder’, M.K.(T.A.) would be an excellent candidate, wouldn’t he?

    Hey, maybe Conor Whatzisname,Sullivan’s minion, worked up enough butthurt to rat us out to a higher authority! (/snark)

    At least Stuck posts Charlie pictures, sometimes. I like the Charlie pictures.

  94. 94.

    Mike Kay (Team America)

    January 4, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    @Anne Laurie: honey, I didn’t know you had a crush on me. why didn’t you say so earlier? And yes, I do look like sean connery’s James Bond. some women don’t like hairy chests, though.

    http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01183/arts-graphics-2008_1183482a.jpg

  95. 95.

    Yutsano

    January 4, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    @Mike Kay (Team America): Oh dude. Don’t go there. She’ll tear your heart out and make you pull your own sternum apart as a wishbone.

  96. 96.

    Tonal Crow

    January 4, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    @Mike Kay (Team America): Yep. In my experience, trolls are always covered in shaggy hair, except when they’ve forgotten to get inside before sunrise. Then they’re covered in filaments of stone that used to be shaggy hair.

    Recanted your defamation yet?

  97. 97.

    Mnemosyne

    January 4, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    @El Cid:

    You know, going by the Constitution, shouldn’t we have something closer to 10,000 elected Representatives instead of 435?

    Just sayin’.

    @Maude:

    There’s whingeing afoot about William Daley. He might be chosen as the chief of staff. He worked or works at JP Morgan.

    As I said in the thread below, anyone who thinks that William Daley from Chicago could be tapped as CoS because he used to work for a bank is, in the immortal words of the previous CoS, “fucking retarded.” Either that, or they’ve neglected to follow Democratic politics for the past 50 years and only just started paying attention in 2010.

  98. 98.

    Mnemosyne

    January 4, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    @gene108:

    Anyway, plenty of states in the 1790’s had rules against Catholics voting or holding state offices. It’d be interesting to see how people would react to those rules being put back in place today, since that was the world the Founders occupied and condoned.

    On the plus side, it would clean out the Supreme Court and let us start fresh since 6 of the 9 current judges are Catholics. So there’s a silver lining for every cloud.

  99. 99.

    PurpleGirl

    January 4, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    @Maude: Did you see the post and thread this morning (Pharoah’s Younger Son).

  100. 100.

    General Stuck

    January 4, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    @Anne Laurie:

    At least Stuck posts Charlie pictures, sometimes. I like the Charlie pictures.

    Oh Anne Laurie, what is your problem? Mike Kay did not attack anyone on this thread, nor rarely does so in any thread. The only butthurt is coming from folks like you, who are attacking him, who seem offended by positive things being said about Obama. And who says Obama doesn’t need defending, surely not the independent thinkers from the left who create one fantasy after another here and throughout the netroots, on non existent Obama fail, amongst other nasty stuff. Why have you not scolded them for their bullshit?

    edit = and there will be no more Charlie pics on this blog/

  101. 101.

    liberal

    January 4, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    I’d like to see what these so-called Constitutionalists think about the Iraq AUMF.

  102. 102.

    burnspbesq

    January 4, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    I’m aiming for Nanuet Mall.

  103. 103.

    PurpleGirl

    January 4, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Fred Clark (Slacktivist) had a good posting on the Reading of the Constitution the other day.

    It had some interesting comments.

    http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2010/12/reading-the-godless-constitution.html#comments

  104. 104.

    LikeableInMyOwnWay

    January 4, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    Dear Tea Partiers: My Constitution Can Beat Up Your Constitution.

  105. 105.

    El Cid

    January 4, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    You know, going by the Constitution, shouldn’t we have something closer to 10,000 elected Representatives instead of 435?

    No, because the Founding Father Elders never thought that such a number would be needed. That number is nowhere in the Constushun, and the notion that you would use some sort of math equation not in the Constushun is in itself un-Constushull. And also the Founding Father Elders would have laughed at the notion that some Congress they were inventing needed 10,000 people just to read the Constushun out loud. And of course the Biblical, Protestant principles on which our government was based.

  106. 106.

    MattR

    January 4, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    @burnspbesq: Hey. I used to work there. But it’s time has come.

  107. 107.

    Yutsano

    January 4, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    The Piggies are holding in there against the Field Peas.

  108. 108.

    Mnemosyne

    January 4, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    @General Stuck:

    I’ll take the middle of the road: Mike Kay was funnier before the nutty troll got banned. Now it’s like listening to only one side of a phone conversation.

  109. 109.

    General Stuck

    January 4, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    The middle road is where I am at too. He is repetitive, but comes usually with facts and figures, or links to whatever or whoever he is attacking on the left. It’s not my business who he tangles with here, but I don’t like pile ons when I don’t think it is deserved. and it wasn’t in this thread, imo. And it rankles when a front pager sees fit to attack the dude after having nothing much to say during those weeks of rampant firebagging/racist bullshit. And especially when they include me in their scolds.

  110. 110.

    Mike Kay (Chief of Staff)

    January 4, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    @Mnemosyne: he only got banned for a month for using the c-word. he’ll be back. but I never addressed him anyways.

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