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by John Cole|  January 12, 20112:53 pm| 165 Comments

This post is in: Bring on the Brawndo!

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If you are on twitter, I think I started a trend making up some Hoekstroikas.

Follow #bloodlibel and #ahistoricalmorans for some giggles.

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  1. 1.

    hilts

    January 12, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Sharron Angle: “The despicable act in Tucson is a horrifying and senseless tragedy, and should be condemned as a single act of violence, by a single unstable individual… Expanding the context of the attack to blame and to infringe upon the people’s Constitutional liberties is both dangerous and ignorant…The irresponsible assignment of blame to me, Sarah Palin or the Tea Party movement by commentators and elected officials puts all who gather to redress grievances in danger… I have consistently called for reasonable political dialogue on policy issues to encourage civil political education and debate”

    h/t http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..07911.html

  2. 2.

    You Don't Say

    January 12, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    The levity is well-deserved and much needed. So she’s already taken the video down. Ha!

  3. 3.

    Cat Lady

    January 12, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    @hilts:

    Then would one of our awesome media heavyweights please ask her what she meant by exercising Second Amendment remedies, and don’t let her run away this time? Jeebus, all the fucksticks are opening their pieholes today.

  4. 4.

    Church Lady

    January 12, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    Even before Palin’s statement, I knew I had seen the phrase “blood libel” already applied to the Tuscon shooting, but I couldn’t remember where. I found these two things online, so perhaps it will shed a little light on the phrase and how it is being used in connection to the shooting:

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/01/12/dershowitz-gives-palin-the-go-ahead-on-blood-libel.

    And this one:

    http://www.niemanlab.org/2011/01/blood-libel-how-language-evolves-and-spreads-within-online-worlds/

  5. 5.

    Bulworth

    January 12, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    @You Don’t Say: Who took which video down?

  6. 6.

    cleek

    January 12, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    any more Palin talk and i’m gonna have to avail myself of some 21st Amendment remedies.

  7. 7.

    cyntax

    January 12, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    @cleek:

    The cause of–and solution to–all of man’s problems.

  8. 8.

    kerFuFFler

    January 12, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    @You Don’t Say: I think Palin took her video down because she suddenly realized she was having a bad hair day. Must not undercut a good “blood libel” with limp locks!

  9. 9.

    You Don't Say

    January 12, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    @Bulworth: According to numerous tweets, Palin has taken down the video. I won’t look so can’t verify.

  10. 10.

    THE

    January 12, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    If you, and a couple of friends were going to get together and make a Science Fiction short film.

    If you were going to do the post-production yourself in your spare time.

    Do you think you could make something as awesome as Ben Craig did with Modern Times?

  11. 11.

    Comrade Mary

    January 12, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    The video was down at Vimeo, but it’s up again. Li’l Growly and Jowly rages on!

  12. 12.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 12, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    There is no question what “2nd Amendment Remedies” means.

    It means using firearms to get your way.

    Which is what the kid in Arizona did. Egged on by irresponsible asswipes like Sharon Angle and Sarah Palin.

  13. 13.

    Bulworth

    January 12, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    @You Don’t Say: Thanks. I don’t blame you for not verifying. I can’t either.

  14. 14.

    GregB

    January 12, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    I blame Glenn Reynolds for Sarah Palin’s gaffe.

    Does that make me guilty of pud libel?

    The comments section at Haaretz is giving Sarah Palin no quarter.

  15. 15.

    Pooh

    January 12, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    this one wins

    Apparently Sarah Palin can also see the pogroms of 19th Century Russia from her house. #bloodlibel

  16. 16.

    Calouste

    January 12, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    According to the WaPo, one of the leads the police is following is how a loser like Loughner got $1000 together to buy the gun, the magazines and the ammo.

  17. 17.

    cyntax

    January 12, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    My fave so far:

    Apparently Sarah Palin can also see the pogroms of 19th Century Russia from her house. #bloodlibel

    Also a strong contender:

    PeterAPeel: Burned myself while taking a bagel out of the toaster oven. The pain was like my own little holocaust. #bloodlibel

  18. 18.

    meh

    January 12, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    maybe you guys can help me out – anyone know where there is a list of violence committed by right wing nutjobs over say the last 10 years or so? Eric son of Erick has a bullshit list up over at failstate chronicling the the Left’s love of all things death (mainly hippies with signs). I have a non-banned alias that is burnin a hole in my pocket that I would love to use with that little list as a rebuttal…off the top of my head – the IRS plane guy, the doctor murdered in KS, the nutjob in PA that killed the cops, the Holocaust museum guy – what else?

  19. 19.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 12, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    I have consistently called for reasonable political dialogue on policy issues to encourage civil political education and debate

    Sure, Sharon. “Second amendment remedies” is an example of “reasonable political dialog”. Where you hold a gun to someone’s head to “persuade” them.

  20. 20.

    sukabi

    January 12, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    @GregB: no that makes you guilty of pud slapping… keep doing that and you’ll go blind.

  21. 21.

    srv

    January 12, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    All this hunting of conservatives like Palin, reminds me of how Anne Frank must have felt.

  22. 22.

    Basilisc

    January 12, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    Not sure if anyone’s posted this yet – but someone’s been mailing explosive packages to Janet Napolitano and Martin O’Malley:

    http://www.salon.com/news/janet_napolitano/index.html?story=/news/feature/2011/01/07/us_maryland_packages

    At the risk of committing blood libel, I’d like to point out that Janet Napolitano is the former Democratic governor of Arizona, and O’Malley is the current Democratic governor of Maryland.

  23. 23.

    licensed to kill time

    January 12, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Balloon Juice keeps slowing to a crawl for me every 10 minutes or so.

    {{{{ Balloon Juice Libel! }}}}

  24. 24.

    blueintheface

    January 12, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    @GregB: She’s going to need one big-assed Israeli flag pin to make up for this one.

  25. 25.

    srv

    January 12, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    @meh: Fallows had a link to a site that had 100’s of crazy statements and actions.

  26. 26.

    MazeDancer

    January 12, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    Video is now password protected. (It’s still on YT, from others. Not her. No risk of official comments.)

    Putting on the password is probably a PR move. She’s just ramping up to own the day, steal it from the President healing the nation. Find another way to go on Fox and shout “victim” and “explain” so her patsy’s will send more loot.

    The video really felt like it needed an 800 number for SarahPac crawling across the bottom of the screen.

  27. 27.

    sukabi

    January 12, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    @meh: here’s an “Insurrection Timeline” from just the last 2 years…

  28. 28.

    AlladinsLamp

    January 12, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    …anyone know where there is a list of violence committed by right wing nutjobs over say the last 10 years or so?

    Well, here’s the last two years.

    Via Digby.

  29. 29.

    fasteddie9318

    January 12, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    @Church Lady:

    I found these two things online, so perhaps it will shed a little light on the phrase and how it is being used in connection to the shooting:

    Your first link is broken, much like any semblance of credibility you might have once had. The second demonstrates that Palin, rather than being the assclown who invented the “blood libel” whinge, merely borrowed it from the assclowns who actually invented it after the shooting, making her a second-degree assclown and not the primary assclown of record. So she’s got that going for her.

    Now off to the pie filter with you.

  30. 30.

    You Don't Say

    January 12, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    How is she going to explain away her use of ‘blood libel’ now?

    Maybe something about the much-aligned surveyors?

  31. 31.

    Joey Maloney

    January 12, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    @cleek: WIN

  32. 32.

    Southern Beale

    January 12, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Yes I’m on Twitter where I’ve learned the righties have finally found hate speech coming from the left in the form of political scientist Francis Fox Pivens, who supposedly rang in the New Year with a call to violent revolution!! Yes, here is what she said in The Nation:

    “So where are the angry crowds, the demonstrations, sit-ins and unruly mobs?” she writes. “After all, the injustice is apparent. Working people are losing their homes and their pensions while robber-baron CEOs report renewed profits and windfall bonuses. Shouldn’t the unemployed be on the march? Why aren’t they demanding enhanced safety net protections and big initiatives to generate jobs?” [Emphasis added]

    Referencing “unruly mobs” is TOTALLY THE SAME THING if not WORSE than walking around armed talking about watering the tree of liberty! And telling everyone you came unarmed “this time.” Can’t you see?

  33. 33.

    meh

    January 12, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    @srv:

    I think this is it – it’s crazy – I hadn’t heard about even half of these.

  34. 34.

    dmsilev

    January 12, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    Courtesy of some random commentator on the NYT story on Palin’s video, I have a new nickname for her: Lady Blah Blah.

    dms

  35. 35.

    4jkb4ia

    January 12, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    Joanne Freeman on violence in Congress in the pre-Civil War period

  36. 36.

    Graeme

    January 12, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    It pleases me Glenn Reynolds derailed Sarah Palin. Good on Instapundit for doing something worthwhile for once.

  37. 37.

    fanshawe

    January 12, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    I don’t see what the big deal is, everyone knows that “blood libel” is a commonly used surveyor’s term.

  38. 38.

    Violet

    January 12, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    @meh:
    The Insurrection Timeline from the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence might be helpful.

  39. 39.

    Violet

    January 12, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    @fanshawe:
    There were surveyors working in my neighborhood. It was just like The Killing Fields.

  40. 40.

    burnspbesq

    January 12, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    In which the Tea-Party-backed, Republican-controlled Wake County school board tries to turn back the calendar to 1953.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/11/AR2011011107063.html

  41. 41.

    Linkmeister

    January 12, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    @meh: Digby had a list pulled from Dave Niewert’s blog at Crooks and Liars the other day.

    Note that’s a list of crimes committed after the Heller v. DC SCOTUS decision which said the 2nd Amendment gave individuals the right to bear arms, not the militias they belong to.

  42. 42.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 12, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    @fanshawe:

    I don’t see what the big deal is, everyone knows that “blood libel” is a commonly used surveyor’s term.

    I think we have a possible win here, Alex!

  43. 43.

    4jkb4ia

    January 12, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    The linked op-ed should warm John’s heart because even if admonitions to watch what you said did not work in the pre-Civil War period, it is the only suggestion that she has now–

    Communication is the heart and soul of American democratic governance, but there hasn’t been much fruitful discourse of late–among members of Congress, between the people and their representatives or in the public sphere.

    (I am proud of John going viral given his slow adoption of Twitter)

  44. 44.

    merrinc

    January 12, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    @cleek:

    I second that emotion. I know it’s 5 o’clock somewhere but the kids are home due to a snow day and I’m trying to be a good influence. Or at least not a really bad one.

  45. 45.

    eglenn

    January 12, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    @meh

    The list of interest is about halfway down.

  46. 46.

    Legalize

    January 12, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    I was driving to work this morning. Someone blood libeled me by changing lanes in front of me without signaling.

  47. 47.

    geg6

    January 12, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    @Church Lady:

    Your first linky no worky. And your second only goes to prove that the entire fReichwing seem to think that criticism is exactly like the pogroms and the Holocaust.

    I really don’t think your defense is doing what you think it is doing.

  48. 48.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    January 12, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    So, Sharon, how’s that Second Amendment Remedy stuff workin’ for ya?

  49. 49.

    j low

    January 12, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Excellent rant from David Lowery of Cracker/Camper Van Beethoven.

  50. 50.

    Zuzu's Petals

    January 12, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    From Patton Oswalt, best Tweet yet:

    1. Took video down. Sorry for offending Jews. My camp is concentrating on better one. Final solution soon. #palin

  51. 51.

    Linda Featheringill

    January 12, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/01/pro-israel-groups-palin-must-apologize-for-blood-libel-accusation/69400/

    It seems that a number of Jewish groups are not happy with Sarah.

  52. 52.

    hilts

    January 12, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    Why Did Howard Kurtz Sit on an Embarrassing Correction for Six Weeks?
    http://gawker.com/5731654/why-did-howard-kurtz-sit-on-an-embarrassing-correction-for-six-weeks

  53. 53.

    geg6

    January 12, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    @Zuzu’s Petals:

    That is awesome. I like Patton Oswalt. Have you seen “The Fan?”

  54. 54.

    j low

    January 12, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    Strange: My link didn’t take, but it works when I hit reply. ??

  55. 55.

    freelancer

    January 12, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    @geg6:

    I think you mean “Big Fan”.

  56. 56.

    Barb (formerly Gex)

    January 12, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    @freelancer: I’ve never seen Patton Oswalt and Wesley Snipes in the same place, so….

  57. 57.

    stuckinred

    January 12, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    @j low: I just noticed that!

  58. 58.

    scav

    January 12, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Commentator A: “America has an obesity problem.”

    Anonymous Blogger and/or Pundit: “They said Sarah’s butt looks fat!”

    Chorus: “AND THEY’RE TRYING TO OUTLAW CHEEEEETTTOOOSS ! ! !”

    Sarah Starburst: “Our Founding Fathers threw Tea into the Patriotic Bay of Valley Forge in order to Water It with the Blood of Those Muslim-Commie Haters of Col Saunders and his Seven Secret Spices of American Exceptionalism. Also, Too, The Eagle of Liberty Fries. And It’s not over until The Fat Lady Sings: Lock and Swallow!”

  59. 59.

    You Don't Say

    January 12, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Here’s a winning tweet (via Sullivan):

    If crimes “begin and end with the criminals who commit them,” I think Sarah Palin just endorsed a mosque near Ground Zero.

  60. 60.

    hilts

    January 12, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Tucker Carlson pulling a Palin

    Tucker Carlson: At about the same time Attorney General Ashcroft was being wheeled into the operating room, the liberal think tank, Clintonite Center For American Progress, was resurrecting a blood libel against him.

    h/t http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/01/12/blood_libel_history

  61. 61.

    You Don't Say

    January 12, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    @Zuzu’s Petals: Hilarious!

  62. 62.

    Church Lady

    January 12, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    @fasteddie9318: Sorry, the end of the link got cut off somehow. Perhaps it will work this time.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/01/12/dershowitz-gives-palin-the-go-ahead-on-blood-libel.aspx

  63. 63.

    MikeJ

    January 12, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    @hilts: He is desperate for people to remember that he exists, isn’t he?

  64. 64.

    cyntax

    January 12, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    So is password protecting the video retreating or reloading?

  65. 65.

    Zuzu's Petals

    January 12, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    @geg6:

    No, but I think he’s adorable on “United States of Tara.”

  66. 66.

    geg6

    January 12, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    @freelancer:

    That’s it. “The Fan” was some crappy movie with DeNiro, wasn’t it?

  67. 67.

    geg6

    January 12, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    @Zuzu’s Petals:

    I haven’t watched that show even though I read good things about it. I simply cannot watch that bug-eyed woman who stars in it. She creeps me out.

  68. 68.

    merrinc

    January 12, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    I read that earlier and was thankful, once again, that I left Raleigh a decade ago.

  69. 69.

    Jay in Oregon

    January 12, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    @Zuzu’s Petals:

    Holy crap, the Twitter is on fire today!

    http://twitter.com/#!/DerekSchlicker/status/25295269776072704

    @pattonoswalt #Palin is feeling blamed for the actions of an extremist. Maybe she can ask a Muslim for advice on how to deal with that.

  70. 70.

    scav

    January 12, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    @Zuzu’s Petals: yeah, so I wonder how many yellow stars her fans used to rate the video up in the first place?

  71. 71.

    Southern Beale

    January 12, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    @dmsilev:

    I have a new nickname for her: Lady Blah Blah.

    Someone here called her America’s Vuvuzela which I co-opted because it’s so apt. However it really does apply more widely to all of the stupid non-troversies.

  72. 72.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    You can feel the joy from the fallout to this shooting here. Truly you are all love.

  73. 73.

    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford

    January 12, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    @geg6:

    I saw Big Fan. It’s a good little movie.

  74. 74.

    jwb

    January 12, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    @Makewi: We love you too sweetie pie. Now come give us a kiss.

  75. 75.

    stuckinred

    January 12, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    @geg6: Toni Colette is great. Watch Japanese Story.

  76. 76.

    Zuzu's Petals

    January 12, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    @geg6:

    I like Toni Collete, but the show is definitely an acquired taste.

  77. 77.

    cyntax

    January 12, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    @Makewi:

    You can feel the joy from the fallout to this shooting here. Truly you are all love.

    I’m sorry, how would you suggest we treat Carribou Barbie’s botched attempt to score points from this? I think she’s getting all the respect her effort deserves.

  78. 78.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    January 12, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    You can feel the joy from the fallout to this shooting here.

    Nope.

    I’m just glad that the blatant calls for assassination by conservatives are being called out now instead of after several hundred more “Second Amendment Remedies” have been carried out.

    It gives me some faith in the American people that “if you disagree with someone, shoot them” isn’t being internalized as a political principle as easily as people like Sharron Angle wanted it to be.

  79. 79.

    And Another Thing...

    January 12, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    My personal ray of sunshine for the day is the thought of John McCain at the memorial service having to sit and listen to Barack Hussein Obama the President of the United States. That’s just sweet.

    And, fuck John McCain for risking the USA by plucking Palin from deserved obscurity.

  80. 80.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    @jwb:

    That’s very nice. If only you were closer.

  81. 81.

    Chyron HR

    January 12, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    @Makewi:

    Oh, look, it’s the douche who loves to try to shut people up using faux moral outrage.

    Tell us again how you “grieved” when you heard about the innocent victim of this tragedy (ie, Sarah Palin, not some libtard brat who had it coming).

  82. 82.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    @Xecky Gilchrist:

    The thing is that there are no “blatant calls for assassination” now anymore then during the 8 years of heated rhetoric when Bush was president. What there is is you using a horrible situation to try to get those with whom you disagree to shut up. It’s kinda your thing really.

  83. 83.

    Anne Laurie

    January 12, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    @meh: Insurrectionism Timeline

  84. 84.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    @Chyron HR:

    You are aware that you are arguing with the phantoms in your head are you not? You might want to consider talking to someone about that.

  85. 85.

    Andy K

    January 12, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    @Makewi:

    (NOT!) THIS!

    Because everyone remembers how the media and the Democratic Party mainstreamed violent imagery and rhetoric during Stupor Mundi’s administration…

  86. 86.

    asiangrrlMN

    January 12, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    @stuckinred: One of my favorite movies. A shame so few people actually saw it.

    I needed the giggles, Cole. Thanks.

  87. 87.

    Chris- The Fold

    January 12, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Anyone else notice bin Laden and Palin both like to address their flocks and the media via prerecorded video taped messages?

  88. 88.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    January 12, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    Makewi – sorry, buckaroo, you’ve backed the wrong pony. Political murder is unpopular.

  89. 89.

    Chyron HR

    January 12, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    @Makewi:

    Gee, I’m sorry. Is making you look like a hypocrite by repeating the things you said yesterday also a form of “Blood Libel”?

  90. 90.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    @Xecky Gilchrist:

    Unless a (non) political murder can be made to look like one for purposes of trying to silence those with whom you disagree with, in which case you have threads for at least a week. POPULAR!!!

  91. 91.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    @Chyron HR:

    Oh, I get it now. You think I am Sarah Palin. They have medicine for that sort of problem now.

    I understand your need to politicize what was not actually a political act. Its due to the same pathology that has you thinking I’m your favorite Republican.

  92. 92.

    Silver Owl

    January 12, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    @Makewi:

    You should have mailed out and/or emailed your demands for utter obedience and proper Makewi behavior so that everyone would know in advance for your appearance and could make pleasing you their number one priority of they day.

  93. 93.

    jacy

    January 12, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    @Makewi:

    What kind of blender do use to throw those words into? Is it a Waring? I’m looking for something industrial strength for cocktails.

  94. 94.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    @Silver Owl:

    Yes, I should have. As it stands I will just have to point out how absolutely overjoyed you all are at the opportunity that this little girls death has provided you to again lie in the hopes of silencing the opposition.

  95. 95.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    @jacy:

    It’s ok, not everyone has what it takes to read for comprehension. Better luck next time.

  96. 96.

    Mnemosyne

    January 12, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    @Makewi:

    Unless a (non) political murder can be made to look like one for purposes of trying to silence those with whom you disagree with, in which case you have threads for at least a week.

    So tell us, Makewi, what non-political motive did Loughner have for shooting a US congresswoman in the head and then spraying the crowd at her political rally with bullets?

    If it was just something personal, he would have only shot her (probably multiple times, given previous assassinations) and then run, so that explanation doesn’t fly.

    So what entirely non-political motive are you picturing for shooting people at a political rally?

  97. 97.

    Mnemosyne

    January 12, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    @Makewi:

    As it stands I will just have to point out how absolutely overjoyed you all are at the opportunity that this little girls death has provided you to again lie in the hopes of silencing the opposition.

    So Sarah Palin scrubs her website of the offensive material immediately after the shooting to try and cover her tracks, but we’re the ones who are lying?

    I don’t think that word means what you think it means. And given how you keep becoming less and less coherent, I think your guilty conscience is starting to bother you. There’s only so many times that you can claim that there’s nothing violent at all in saying that people should change the results of an election with “Second Amendment remedies” before what you’re saying starts to sink in.

  98. 98.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    If it was just something personal, he would have only shot her (probably multiple times, given previous assassinations) and then run, so that explanation doesn’t fly.

    This is just fail on so many levels that I thought it deserved to be segregated from the rest of your fail so that the non dream journal keeping sane folks who really aren’t quite sure what violent a-political crazy people will do from one moment to the next could point and laugh at it easier.

  99. 99.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Hey, are you trying to bring a gun to a knife fight? Or are you just pretending that the use of war and fighting metaphors aren’t, and haven’t been, commonplace in US politics since forever?

    It’s pathetic really.

  100. 100.

    Lorna

    January 12, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Why isn’t anybody talking about the GMA interview with the bff of Jared Laughner? I have copy and pasted the part that you all will ignore because it doesn’t fit your sick agenda.

    ABC News’ Ashleigh Banfield filed a fascinating report on the Arizona Shooting Tragedy today, but it was unfortunately missed by many in NYC because of snow coverage. And its a shame, because the brief interview with alleged assailant’s former “best friend” Zach Osler reveals some insight into the troubled mind of Jared Loughner. “He did not watch TV, he disliked the news” Osler averred, shortly after becoming quite emotional when faced with the unsettling mug shot of his former friend.

    Osler continued, “he didn’t listen to political radio, he didn’t take sides, he wasn’t on the left, he wasn’t on the right.”

    I am sorry……..what was that? He He did not watch TV, he disliked the news” Osler continued, “he didn’t listen to political radio, he didn’t take sides, he wasn’t on the left, he wasn’t on the right.” Huh……..and all you progressives were so sure of yourselves. Hey, somebody ought to tell MSNBC because I don’t think they saw the interview. Feel free to google, you can watch the interview for yourself.

    SO I AM SURE ALL YOU THAT HAVE BASHED THE RIGHT FOR THE LAST FEW DAYS WILL NOW APOLOGIZE……..ya, I won’t hold my breath.

  101. 101.

    Lorna

    January 12, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    P.S. Shhhhh, but someone ought to tell the good sheriff!

  102. 102.

    Mnemosyne

    January 12, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    @Makewi:

    This is just fail on so many levels that I thought it deserved to be segregated from the rest of your fail so that the non dream journal keeping sane folks who really aren’t quite sure what violent a-political crazy people will do from one moment to the next could point and laugh at it easier.

    In other words, you know absolutely nothing about assassinations or assassins so pointing out a fact that’s common to all of them seems like a bizarre, out of context statement to you because of your total ignorance of the subject.

    Maybe you should read on John Hinckley, Mark David Chapman, Lee Harvey Oswald, or even John Wilkes Booth and educate yourself.

    Oh, who am I kidding? You’re proud of your total ignorance of everything you spout off on, so you’re not going to bother to actually learn something about the subject under discussion when you can flood the thread with your ignorance and not have to do any of the hard work of learning something.

    Or are you just pretending that the use of war and fighting metaphors aren’t, and haven’t been, commonplace in US politics since forever?

    There’s a bit of a difference between using the phrase “bringing a knife to a gun fight” and bringing a loaded gun to a political rally. More than one person at more than one rally in more than one place, in fact.

    But you do seem to have some serious problems understanding the difference between a metaphor and an actual physical object, so maybe you really do think that the president brought a loaded gun with him to that meeting with Republicans in Congress just like all of those tea partiers brought loaded guns to Obama’s rallies.

  103. 103.

    TR

    January 12, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    @Makewi:

    It’s pathetic really.

    Everything you’ve said is quite pathetic, yes.

    There’s a difference between saying “we’re going to fight” or quoting a famous line from “The Untouchables,” and what the right did, with its nonstop pattern of calling their opponents traitors and calling for armed revolution against them.

    Multiple people on the right said “if ballots don’t work, we’ll use bullets.” Sarah Palin put targets on 20 Democrats, and ballots worked to get rid of 18 of them. And now that someone put a bullet in the 19th of them — my friend, Gabby Giffords — the right wants to insist they had nothing to do with it. Bullshit.

    Palin knows she fucked up, and that’s why she’s scrubbing her website and insisting the bullseyes were “surveyor’s symbols” and now trying to shift the blame to the mean old media for passing along her bloodthirsty rants. She knows she’s guilty and she’s running scared.

    You can take your pathetic rationalizations and stuff them up your ass.

  104. 104.

    Mnemosyne

    January 12, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    @Lorna:

    Amazing how a guy who Loughner stopped speaking to two years ago knows exactly what Loughner has been reading and watching since he last saw him.

    I don’t doubt that the Loughner his friend knew two years ago wasn’t very political, but two years is a long time and people change — especially people who are having a psychotic breakdown. So you’ve managed to prove exactly, um, nothing at all, except that Loughner’s friends say he was a different person before he had his psychotic break. Well, duh.

  105. 105.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    No, in other words, I laugh at your ability to just know things like what some crazy psycho with a gun will or will not do. Your “logic” is designed entirely to convince yourself. It. Is. Fail.

  106. 106.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Nuh-uh Lorna. Nuh-uh.

  107. 107.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    “Hey man, it’s Jared. Me and you had good times. Peace out. Later.”

    A rightie wouldn’t be caught dead using an expression like “peace out”. Clearly a lefty. Why must you on the left be so violent?

  108. 108.

    TR

    January 12, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    @Lorna:

    I know Rush Limbaugh and Fox News have been pimping that quote relentlessly, but what they — and you, of course, in your dittohead repetition — leave out is that Osler is a friend of his from high school — four years ago.

    Four years ago — before he started to manifest the signs of his insanity, before he radically changed his personality, before he started all his YouTube clips that are full of right-wing nonsense about the gold standard and the government conspiracies, before Sarah Palin and the Teatards were even on the map.

    By the way, it says quite a bit about you as a person that a political assassination attempt has happened, several people lie dead and wounded, and all you care about is whether or not your fucking team looks good or not. Go fuck yourself, you horrible excuse for a human being.

  109. 109.

    Lorna

    January 12, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    @Mnemosyne: So Sarah Palin scrubs her website of the offensive material immediately after the shooting to try and cover her tracks, but we’re the ones who are lying?

    What are your thoughts on the daily rag oops i mean Kos and their scrubbing of the article, “My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!”

    The daily rag, oops again, I mean Kos does lean left, doesn’t it?

    Who exactly was that article referring to?

  110. 110.

    Mnemosyne

    January 12, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    @Makewi:

    No, in other words, I laugh at your ability to just know things like what some crazy psycho with a gun will or will not do.

    I know what other “crazy psychos” who have assassinated people have done. Loughner does not fit the pattern. If there are no patterns and every “crazy psycho” acts completely differently from others who committed the same crime, we need to close down the behavioral science center at the FBI immediately, because clearly all of the cases they’ve solved were plain blind luck since no “crazy psycho” ever acts similarly to another one.

    Once again, I am completely staggered by your profound ignorance of the very subjects you insist on speaking about.

  111. 111.

    TR

    January 12, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    What you said.

    The desperation of the right here — but his Boy Scout leader said he never discussed politics! — is just pathetic.

    And frankly, quite telling. They know they’ve crossed the line here and bear some responsibility, and they’re trying to convince everyone. Including themselves.

  112. 112.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    So you’re saying it wasn’t a political act, which I agree with. In fact, it’s what I’ve been saying.

  113. 113.

    Mnemosyne

    January 12, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    @Lorna:

    What are your thoughts on the daily rag oops i mean Kos and their scrubbing of the article, “My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!”

    You mean the article that the writer put up a public apology for writing?

    So if we’re drawing an equivalency, where’s Palin’s public apology?

  114. 114.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    @TR:

    That’s some violent rhetoric you got going on there. Aren’t you worried about how that discourse will affect society. I mean, someone might get shot.

  115. 115.

    Lorna

    January 12, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    @Mnemosyne: It doesn’t matter who they interview, they could interview his mother and she could say the same thing and it would not be good enough for the far left progressives. I will take his word someone that knew him, over any journalist or sheriff that doesn’t have any facts to back up their claims that have admitted it is their opinion only hours after the tragedy. But, I know how the left loves speculation…..it fits your rhelm of reality so well.

  116. 116.

    TR

    January 12, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    @Lorna:

    What are your thoughts on the daily rag oops i mean Kos and their scrubbing of the article, “My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!”

    My thoughts are that I understand what “dead to me” means:

    an Old English saying that was used to announce that the person in question was disowned or would never be “seen, or heard” again.

    And my thoughts are that because I actually understand the English language, I can see the difference between that and statements like Michelle Bachmann urging her supporters to be “armed and dangerous,” Allan West saying if it doesn’t work by the ballot it’ll work by the bullet, or Sharron Angle talking about how conservatives would take “Second Amendment remedies” if they didn’t win at the ballot boxes.

    Those are all real threats, not antiquated figures of speech.

    And those all came from prominent Republican figures, not from some anonymous hippie over at a fucking blog.

    Once again: Go fuck yourself, you vile excuse for a human being.

  117. 117.

    Mnemosyne

    January 12, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    @Makewi:

    So you’re saying it wasn’t a political act, which I agree with. In fact, it’s what I’ve been saying.

    Sorry, no dice. It was a political act by a “crazy psycho” because, believe it or not, “crazy psychos” are influenced by the culture they live in.

    But, hey, Dr. Swartz is merely “a psychiatry professor at Duke University who specializes in how environment impacts the behavior of the mentally ill.” I’m sure you understand these things much better than some guy who’s actually researched and studied the subject.

  118. 118.

    TR

    January 12, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    @Makewi:

    Yes, because me telling you all to “go fuck yourself” is exactly the same thing as saying “if we don’t win at the polls, we’ll need to get our guns and enact an armed revolution.”

    I know you’re trying your best to seem retarded on this blog, but honestly, you’re going too far here.

  119. 119.

    TR

    January 12, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    By the way, Makewi, I know most gun nuts are compensating for something with their obsession, but if you’re using the guns when you’re fucking yourself, you’re taking that too far as well.

  120. 120.

    Mnemosyne

    January 12, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    @Lorna:

    Man, I love how someone who crows that she’s totally pwned us because someone says that Loughner wasn’t political suddenly moves the goalposts as soon as I point out the fact that the guy hasn’t seen or spoken to Loughner in two years.

    There are facts here, but sadly, they are not on your side. But maybe if you click your heels together three times and wish real hard, you can make those mean ol’ facts do what you want!

  121. 121.

    Lorna

    January 12, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    @TR:
    By the way, it says quite a bit about you as a person that a political assassination attempt has happened, several people lie dead and wounded, and all you care about is whether or not your fucking team looks good or not. Go fuck yourself, you horrible excuse for a human being.

    That is rich coming from someone on a website that has been one of the only things its been doing is laying blame. Look in the mirror bud. You can’t expect to sh– all over people and when you are wrong not get a little poo thrown back at you!

  122. 122.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Guess we better hurry up and ban violent movies and video games. And books. I mean, that is what you all want right?

    Or are you hoping that what you can do is just limit the very selective “violent rhetoric” that just so happens to coincide with people who tend to disagree with you on political issues?

  123. 123.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    For the record. He spoke to the shooter a lot more recently than you did. You can try to pretend that this makes him just as clueless as you, but it doesn’t. Nice try though.

  124. 124.

    Chyron HR

    January 12, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    @Makewi:

    I mean, someone might get shot.

    Remember, Makewi’s not making jokes about shooting liberals (and their children), he’s making jokes about people who threaten to shoot liberals. And their children.

    It’s an important distinction, and if you don’t honor it, you’re guilty of BLOOD LIBEL.

  125. 125.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    @TR:

    I worry about you, because you can’t seem to get over your anger issues. Can you point me to the direct quote of “if we don’t win at the polls, we’ll need to get our guns and enact an armed revolution.”, because I must have missed that one.

  126. 126.

    TR

    January 12, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    @Lorna:

    That is rich coming from someone on a website that has been one of the only things its been doing is laying blame. Look in the mirror bud. You can’t expect to sh—all over people and when you are wrong not get a little poo thrown back at you!

    Tell you what, do me a favor and find the examples from Democratic politicians that match these statements from Republicans, and I’ll look in the mirror.

    March 21-22, 2009 — Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (R-MN) states that she wants residents of her state to be “armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us ‘having a revolution every now and then is a good thing,’ and the people—we the people—are going to have to fight back hard if we’re not going to lose our country.”

    July 15, 2009 — Katherine Crabill (Republican candidate for the Virginia House of Delegates 99th District) makes headlines by calling on Americans to resist the course President Obama has set for the country. Appearing at a “Tea Party” rally “We have a chance to fight this battle at the ballot box before we have to resort to the bullet box. But that’s the beauty of our Second Amendment right. I am glad for all of us who enjoy the use of firearms for hunting. But make no mistake. That was not the intent of the Founding Fathers. Our Second Amendment right was to guard against tyranny.”

    August 25, 2009 – Rex Rammell, (candidate in the 2010 Idaho Republican Primary) remarks on “Obama hunting tags” at a discussion about state-issued tags for wolf hunting.”The Obama tags? We’d buy some of those.” In a subsequent press release, he adds, “Anyone who understands the law knows I was just joking, because Idaho has no jurisdiction to issue hunting tags in Washington, D.C.”

    August 26, 2009 — Debra Medina (Texas gubernatorial candidate) “We are aware that stepping off into secession may in fact be a bloody war. We are aware. We understand that the tree of freedom is occasionally watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.”

    September 28, 2009— Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA), Chairman of the Second Amendment Task Force in the U.S. House of Representatives, calls House Speaker Nancy Pelosi a “domestic enemy of the Constitution”

    April 10, 2010 — Martha Dean (Republican candidate for Attorney General in Connecticut) “If government is legitimate and truly is the voice of the people, it need never fear the people themselves when they’re armed. Only a government that uses secrecy and force to impose improper laws [to] which the people do not consent need fear the wrath of its law-abiding citizens at the ballot box or, ultimately, with arms … Our right of free speech and to back it up with arms if necessary if our government becomes tyrannical and unjust as King George’s was to the colonists are the most essential of the rights we as Americans have … I will oppose all efforts to create nonsensical distinctions that are nowhere supported by our constitutions between different types of firearms. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that the government gets the effective firearms and the people the ineffective ones. Nowhere in our Constitution does it say that the government gets the modern firearms and the citizens only get the antiquated ones.”

    April 13, 2010 — Sen. Randy Brogdon (R-OK) on meeting with Oklahoma Tea Party groups to discuss the formation of a new “volunteer militia” to defend against ‘improprer federal infringements on state sovereignty’ Brogdon states that the Founding Fathers “were not referring to a turkey shoot or a quail hunt. They really weren’t even talking about us having the ability to protect ourselves against each other. The Second Amendment deals directly with the right of an individual to keep and bear arms to protect themselves from an overreaching federal government.”

    May 6, 2010 — Christina Jeffrey (Republican candidate 4th Congressional District South Carolina) holding an AK-47 assault rifle; “Why do we have the Second Amendment? The Second Amendment ensures all of our other rights … The Second Amendment was placed in the Constitution, plainly, to ensure that our limited government stayed limited and that we would be able to enforce those limitations if need be … We are a sovereign people. A sovereign people is an armed people.”

    May 15, 2010 — Newt Gingrich “The Second Amendment is not in defense of hunting. It is not in defense of target shooting. It is not in defense of collecting. The Second Amendment is in defense of freedom from the State.”

    May 30, 2010 — Sharron Angle (Republican candidate U.S. Senator Nevada) “…the nation is arming. What are they arming for if it isn’t that they are so distrustful of government? They’re afraid they’ll have to fight for their liberty in more Second Amendment kinds of ways.”

    May 31, 2010 — Rex Nichols (candidate for sheriff Montana’s Lincoln County) in reference to federal agents, Ruby Ridge, Waco and keeping feds out of the county if elected. “I am going to take my deputies and stand in the middle of the road and tell them to get the hell out …..And if they want a war, they got it.”

    September 30, 2010 — Steve Kendley, (candidate for sheriff Montana’s Lake County) threatens “a violent conflict” with federal agents if “they are doing something I believe is unconstitutional.”

    October 21, 2010 — Stephen Broden (Republican candidate for 30th Congressional District Texas) states the violent overthrow of the government is an “option” that remains “on the table.” “Our nation was founded on violence….I don’t think that we should ever remove anything from the table as it relates to our liberties and our freedoms.”

    November 9, 2010 — U.S. Representative-Elect Allen West (R-Fla) “I am convinced that the most important thing the Founding Fathers did to ensure me my First Amendments rights was they gave me a Second Amendment. And if ballots don’t work, bullets will.”

    November 29, 2010 — U.S. Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX) comparing the Obama administration to the Nazi regime in Germany “Put anything in my scope and I will shoot it.”

  127. 127.

    Mnemosyne

    January 12, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    Maybe Makewi and Lorna need to call up these Arizona Republicans and reassure them that the death threats they’ve been getting from their own party members are nothing to worry about. After all, they know what’s dangerous better than someone who’s actually receiving the death threats.

  128. 128.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    @Chyron HR:

    Seriously you, the voices in your head which you keep quoting as if they were me, you shouldn’t listen to them. The fact that you simply cannot help yourself but to respond to some cartoon character version of what is actually being said is very, very sad.

    Are you a lonely person?

  129. 129.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    January 12, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    @Lorna: Whether or not Loughner was directly motivated by Palin’s or Angle’s calls for assassination, he carried them out. It’s a bad idea no matter what the motivation.

  130. 130.

    Felonious Wench

    January 12, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    Lorna, Makewi is here. She is MUCH more fun than you are to play with. When you too have racked up the hundreds of fuck you’s that Makewi has, you will know what it is to truly troll with the BJ Commentariat.

    Wait your turn like a good girl.

    What were you saying, Makewi?

  131. 131.

    TR

    January 12, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    @Makewi:

    The reason I’m angry is that Gabby Giffords is a friend of mine, and all I see from the right is an insistence that all their threats of violence against her — the gun at her rally last year, the vandalism at her campaign headquarters, the Palin target, and all the rest — just had nothing to do with it.

    You want quotes? Check the above, plus some of these:

    New Rep. Allen West (R-FL) almost hired a Florida talk-radio host, Joyce Kaufman, as his chief of staff. But Kaufman withdrew after media coverage of some of her more fiery statements, such as: “I am convinced that the most important thing the Founding Fathers did to ensure me my First Amendment rights was they gave a Second Amendment,” she told a tea party crowd last summer. “And if ballots don’t work, bullets will.”

    Rep. Gregg Harper (R-MS) told Politico that he hunts Democrats. Asked about the Congressional Sportsmen’s Caucus, he said, “We hunt liberal, tree-hugging Democrats, although it does seem like a waste of good ammunition.”

    Richard Behney, a tea partier from Indiana running for former Sen. Evan Bayh’s seat, told a group of Second Amendment activists that they didn’t have to resort to armed insurrection — “yet.” “We can get new faces in. Whether it’s my face or not, I pray to God that I see new faces. And if we don’t see new faces, I’m cleaning my guns and getting ready for the big show. And I’m serious about that, and I bet you are, too. But I know none of us want to go that far yet, and we can do it with our vote,” he said.

    Robert Lowry, a Republican challenger to Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schulz (D-FL), stopped by a local Republican event in October. The event was at a gun range, and Lowry shot at a human-shaped target that had Wasserman Schulz’s initials written next to it.

    Is that enough for you, asshole?

  132. 132.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    January 12, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    It does break my heart that conservatives just can’t condemn political violence. I wonder why they hate America so much that they need to resort to threats all the time.

  133. 133.

    Mnemosyne

    January 12, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    @Makewi:

    TR knows Rep. Giffords. He is a personal friend of hers.

    So fuck you, you fucking asshole, coming here with your crocodile tears and telling someone whose friend is lying in a hospital bed with part of her skull removed that he has anger issues about it.

  134. 134.

    elf

    January 12, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    @Makewi:

    peace out is a very common phrase for kids that age
    no matter the political affiliation

  135. 135.

    Lorna

    January 12, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    @TR: you will always have an answer that fits your agenda. Never usually grounded in the truth. You should be ashamed for the last couple of days, your party should be ashamed of USING this tragedy for political gain….but then again for you to feel shame, you would have to have a conscience. There is not any reason for me to argue, just wanted to make a post. Try not to use too much profanity.

  136. 136.

    Mnemosyne

    January 12, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    @Makewi:

    Or are you hoping that what you can do is just limit the very selective “violent rhetoric” that just so happens to coincide with people who tend to disagree with you on political issues?

    Well, I’d kind of like you to stop bringing your loaded guns to political rallies, but apparently even asking that much somehow restricts your free speech rights. Because, as I have noticed before, you don’t seem to understand the difference between a phrase and a loaded gun.

  137. 137.

    Felonious Wench

    January 12, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    @Lorna:

    you will always have an answer that fits your agenda. Never usually grounded in the truth.

    I’m rubber, you’re glue….

  138. 138.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    January 12, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    Still unable to condemn political violence.

    Sigh.

  139. 139.

    SFAW

    January 12, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Lorna –

    You keep using words that you don’t understand. I realize the Random Bullshit Generator ™ is a big help for someone with a room-temperature IQ, such as you. But after awhile, it gets boring and tiresome for those of us who DO speak English, what with the translation from Loona-speak into English and all.

    We’ve told you more than once: sub-morons belong at RedStoat, please get yourself over there forthwith. They will truly welcome your cluelessness with open arms.

    OK, time for your standard “witty” “I know you are, but what am I?” retort.

    In 3 .. 2 .. 1 …..

  140. 140.

    Lorna

    January 12, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    @TR:

    Is that enough for you

    No you forgot the most colorful one from Paul Kanjorski a Democrat from Pa. “That Scott down there that’s running for governor of Florida,” Mr. Kanjorski said. “Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he’s running for governor of Florida. He’s a millionaire and a billionaire. He’s no hero. He’s a damn crook. It’s just we don’t prosecute big crooks.”

    I am sorry, did he say they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him?

  141. 141.

    Lorna

    January 12, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    @Felonious Wench: What no colorful threats of violence with a rusty pitch fork, sideways from you today?

  142. 142.

    TR

    January 12, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    @Lorna:

    you will always have an answer that fits your agenda. Never usually grounded in the truth

    Right, I made all those quotes up. Fucking loon.

  143. 143.

    SFAW

    January 12, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    TR –

    With all the vast resources at Lorna’s command, she has only been able to find the Kanjorski thing, which was addressed on one of the other threads.

    Better to treat her as the imbecile she is, rather than get your BP up over “her”.

    By the way, I didn’t realize Rep. Giffords is a friend of yours. I’m sure it’s tough reading some of the shit here from the no-minds. Best wishes to you, her, and her family and (other) friends.

  144. 144.

    TR

    January 12, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    @Lorna:

    And liberal blogs — TPM, Washington Monthly, etc. — all called that idiot out on it. Too bad conservatives can’t do the same.

    But hey, you found one Democrat to go along with hundreds of Republicans. I guess that makes it all OK.

  145. 145.

    piratedan

    January 12, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    maybe I should just try and say it plainly…..

    we’re asking you folks that have been advocating and endorsing the use of the violent rhetoric and imagery against people that you disagree with to stop doing so….

    period

    No one is saying that you can’t disagree with folks, no one is stating that you can’t be angry or upset or histrionic, just stop with the litany of complaints that we’re abusing your rights and privledges, no one has arrested you for it, no guns have been confiscated, no one has taxed you for it. Just stop it. Sit down, tell us what you want, tell us how you intend to pay for it or tell us what you want to stop paying for and why. If the majority of Americans agree with you, then fine you get to decide, remember, just like it was less than three years ago. You guys did such a stellar job you were rejected. Change happens and just like this last election cycle you took over one of the three main legislative bodies. You state your case and you take the results and accept them. Just like we have been.

  146. 146.

    Lorna

    January 12, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    @TR: Just like you I can find hundreds of violent rhetoric from the Dems/left. I am sure more.

  147. 147.

    SFAW

    January 12, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    TR –

    You need to understand: in the “reality” that Lorna inhabits (so to speak), Basingstoke is in Westphalia.

    So when “she” says “I can find hundreds of violent rhetoric” (more English fail there, of course) she really means “I can’t find any other examples, so I’ll keep regurgitating this one”. But as I said before, it’s the RBG ™ talking – I doubt a real person could be so vile.

    Except, of course, if a DFH says “fuck”.

  148. 148.

    TR

    January 12, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    @Lorna:

    Then do it. That took me a minute, in response to you.

    You firmly believe they’re out there, so go. Find them and enlighten us.

    And unlike you — when I’m confronted with evidence that someone on my side has said something reprehensible, I will condemn it. I did so with Paul Kanjorski, and I’ll do so with anyone else.

    But you? You’re presented with evidence of Republicans making nothing short of death threats against their enemies, and your response isn’t “yes, that’s wrong and I condemn it,” it’s “both sides do it!”

    You’re pathetic.

  149. 149.

    scav

    January 12, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    @SFAW: ah but she may be very very scared of fucking, a fate worse than swoon death to the delicately raised. heavens!

  150. 150.

    TR

    January 12, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    @SFAW:

    Thanks so much. You’re right, smacking down nitwits doesn’t do much for my blood pressure, but it sure does feel good.

    I guess I’m just stunned at how no conservatives have been able to say, you know what, if people are getting shot, maybe we should tone it down a little. Plenty of liberals have done so — Paul Begala and Matt Taibbi, for God’s sake — even though no one has ever been killed as a result of their words.

    But conservatives? Pfft. Three cops get killed by a Beck fan in Pittsburgh, and it’s not his fault. That guy goes out armed to shoot up the Tides Foundation, Beck’s favorite target, and it’s not his fault. That psycho shoots up a liberal church in Knoxville and credits Bernie Goldberg specifically, and it’s not his fault. That nut flies a plane into the IRS building in Austin, and it’s not their fault, any of them.

    I’m old enough to remember when Republicans would claim to be the party of personal responsibility and it wasn’t quite so laughable. Now it’s nothing but psychopaths and sociopaths and their corporate enablers.

  151. 151.

    SFAW

    January 12, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    I guess I’m just stunned at how no conservatives have been able to say, you know what, if people are getting shot, maybe we should tone it down a little.

    That would require self-awareness and introspection – traits unknown to wingnuts. (I almost said “foreign” or “alien”, but SFB would doubtless have something exceedingly stupid to say about that)

    I’m old enough to remember when Republicans would claim to be the party of personal responsibility and it wasn’t quite so laughable.

    Yes, but that was before we learned that they’re all about projection.

    And I’m grateful that you didn’t bring up Scott Roeder and use it to tar Patriotic Conservo-American Bill O’Reilly.

  152. 152.

    TR

    January 12, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    @SFAW:

    Well, that would clearly be unfair. All he did was repeatedly say Dr. Tiller should be killed and then someone killed him. You’d have to take a pretty circuitous route to get there.

    Funny, but as I was writing this, I flipped on Hardball (I know, I know) and caught David Brock laying out three specific examples in which right-wing assassination attempts just in the past year were documented, in court, to have stemmed from the inspiration of Glenn Beck.

    Wow, Mediate already has the clip. Watch it here.

  153. 153.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    January 12, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    @TR: your response isn’t “yes, that’s wrong and I condemn it,” it’s “both sides do it!”

    It’s true, they can’t bring themselves to condemn it. I wonder why not? Is it so hard just to say “political violence is wrong?”

    Apparently so, and it is truly heartbreaking.

  154. 154.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    No one was shot at those rallies, despite the presence of armed citizens with loaded guns. Please continue ignoring that fact.

  155. 155.

    TR

    January 12, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    Hey, another right-wing nut making assassination threats against a Democrat.

    Come on, Lorna, surely you’ve found a hundred examples of the same kind of thing being made by Democrats against Republicans, right? No? How about fifty? No? Ten?

    Wow, it’s almost like you’re utterly and completely full of shit.

  156. 156.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    @TR:

    First, fuck you. Second, you will not silence those with whom you have political disagreement. It is what you want, but you will not get it. So I guess second is really fuck you too.

  157. 157.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    @Xecky Gilchrist:

    It’s because it wasn’t “political violence” anymore than Hinkley was political violence. It was a madman with a gun.

  158. 158.

    scav

    January 12, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    Funny how Makewi equates not agreeing with it to silencing it.

  159. 159.

    SFAW

    January 12, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Xecky –

    You obviously missed the note they found yesterday, where Loughner wrote that he’s doing it to impress some girl named Iris. So, see, it wasn’t political after all. Now aren’t you ashamed of yourself?

  160. 160.

    Makewi

    January 12, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    @scav:

    No, it’s fine that we don’t agree. The difference is that I’m not trying to pin the acts of a madman on your rhetoric.

    we’re asking you folks that have been advocating and endorsing the use of the violent rhetoric and imagery against people that you disagree with to stop doing so….

    And then, as it happens, you go on to explain that a web site used by the Palin PAC to “target” the opposition is just such an example of violent rhetoric. So, yes, you are trying to silence your critics by setting yourself up as the arbiters of what constitutes “violent rhetoric”.

  161. 161.

    SFAW

    January 12, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Funny how Makewi equates not agreeing with it to silencing it.

    What’s funnier is his Mickey-the-Dunce routine. “What violent rhetoric?” etc. etc.

  162. 162.

    Zuzu's Petals

    January 12, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    @Makewi:

    And no voters were beaten with those nightsticks the Black Panthers were brandishing at the polling place.

    Kee-rist on a broomstick, you are dishonest.

  163. 163.

    Fraud Guy

    January 13, 2011 at 12:47 am

    Just thinking about when they decided to deep six the “Don’t Retreat, Reload” comment.

    “Will no one rid me of this meddlesome tweet?”

  164. 164.

    Lorna

    January 13, 2011 at 9:34 am

    @TR: Okay I will have to do this with two postings. Here are just a few that I found in about 30 minutes…..you are right it did take me longer, but I don’t have a website that I can just copy and paste. We right wingers don’t compile and keep a list of the lefts hate speech. There is soooooo much more of this, I actually started to get sick of how hateful it all is, so I am stopping. Just a drop in the bucket!

    I will say that I read over your list and didn’t see any quotes from Rebubs quite as graphic, and specific as John Kerry and Rep. Kanjorski.

    In 2009 Pelosi accuses Tea Party of carrying Nazi signs; 2010 top Pelosi staffer leads Nazi-Sign Rally
    RWB News: Will this be spoken of on State Run Media?(Photo of Palin with a Nazi mustache.

    August 2009– Speaker Nancy Pelosi compared tea party protesters to Nazis.
    “They’re carrying Swastikas and symbols like that.”

    September 2010– Pelosi’s Deputy Director of Member Services leads a Nazi-sign rally in Chicago.

    Pelosi crossed the line when she related the rhetoric of anti-gay protesters in San Francisco in 1978 — the year Harvey Milk, the first openly gay member of the city’s board of supervisors, and his political ally, Mayor George Moscone, were killed by former supervisor Dan White — to that of contemporary conservatives while answering a question about the protests against President Obama’s health-care proposals.

    “The Speaker is now likening genuine opposition to assassination. Such insulting rhetoric.

    Vile protesters with Nazi signs were caught on film returning to Rep. Debbie Halvorson‘s office this week after protesting in front of Americans for Prosperity offices in Chicago.

    On October 23, 21010 Rep. Paul Kanjorski, D-Pa., said this about Florida’s new Republican Governor Rick Scott:

    “That Scott down there that’s running for governor of Florida,” Mr. Kanjorski said. “Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he’s running for governor of Florida. He’s a millionaire and a billionaire. He’s no hero. He’s a damn crook. It’s just we don’t prosecute big crooks.”

    “John Kerry was asked whether he couldn’t have “killed two birds with one stone” by visiting New Hampshire. He responded with a mild joke about assassinating the president: “I could have gone to 1600 Pennsylvania and
    killed the real bird with one stone.”

    Gov. Steve Beshear, a Kentucky superdelegate at the national convention in August, avoided talking about the Democratic candidates by criticizing President Bush. “When I mention that Democrats are problem solvers, I can think of only one Republican who can be a problem solver — that is Vice President Dick Cheney if he would just take George on a hunting trip,”

    President Obama”whose asses to kick” Obama predicted “hand-to-hand combat” with his political opponents and has made such remarks as

    “if they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun” — making Obama the first American president to advocate gun fights since Andrew Jackson.

    We’re gonna punish our enemies”

    we can’t have special interests sitting shotgun. We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don’t mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.

    Then there is just the out and out lies and spreading of hate based in rhetoric ONLY!

    –Howard Dean getting crazy, ” ‘Senate Republicans Want To Kill The Bill And Kill The President'”:

    –Alan Grayson- “Republicans want you to die quickly”

    –Al Franken-Drug war, well, as Rush Limbaugh said, anyone who uses drugs illegally should be prosecuted and put away. I don’t agree with him; I think they should be treated, but that’s what Rush believes and so, you know, we’re praying for Rush because he’s in recovery and you take responsibilities for your actions so I’m sure any day now Rush will demand to be put away for the maximum sentence and ask for the most dangerous prison and we’ll be praying for maybe an African American cellmate who saw the Donovan McNabb comments on ESPN. So we’re prayin’.”

    Joe Manchin using a real shotgun to shoot the healthcare bill……

    –MSNBC’s Schultz Compares Tea Party Movement to Nazi ‘Brown Shirts’ to Demonize Beck Rally

    – Ed Schultz -Republicans want you dead!

    Democratic use of targets or bullseye on campaign maps

    The DLC one appeared in the December 13, 2004 edition of Blueprint Magazine: It says, in all caps, “BEHIND ENEMY LINES.”

    The DCCC one is from February 23, 2010: When you click on the graphic targets you get in nice bold letters “Targeted Republican” with a photo and what he/she has voted against.

    Don’t even get me started on Michael Moore and his films.

    Re: Liberal rhetoric.

    Sandra Bernhards Palins gang rape joke
    http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2008/09/20/Bernhard-defends-Palin-gang-rape-joke/UPI-54281221944567/
    Just sick stuff coming from the left that have a stage. Nothing violent here….just move along people.

    Wanda Sykes Hopes Rush Limbaugh’s Kidneys Fail

    ‘Ashley Judd Targets Sarah Palin for Sport Hunting’

    ‘Boondocks’ Creator McGruder Calls Condi Rice, Colin Powell Murderers

    Ebert’s Site Praises Left-wing Bush Assassination Film

    Kathy Griffin Says 2011 is 16-year-old Willow Palin’s ‘year to go down’

    Alec Baldwin threatens to Stone Henry Hyde, kill children

    Joy Behar wants that ‘*****’ Sharron Angle to go ‘to hell’

    David Lettermans sick sex jokeabout Palins teen daughter

    Aaron Sorkin happy when hunters shoot each other

    Playboy Magazine’s Hate-F**k List of Conservative Women

    Montel Williams Urges Michele Bachmann to kill herself

    Perez Hilton Calls Miss California a ‘c*nt’ because she doesn’t believe what he does.

    Jeff Wells Praises metaphor of ‘Hobo’ film blasting wealthy with shotgun

    Sean Penn Calls Reagan’s Alzheimer’s ‘Justice’

    Rosie O’Donnell Calls bush ‘war criminal’ who must ‘be held accountable’

    Madonna bashing Sarah Palin and shrieking “I will kick her ass:

    Sandra Bernhard bashing Sarah Palin and cursing her head off with hate warping her crazed face:

    -It was not the fear of conservative violence that caused Ann Coulter’s speech to be cancelled.

    -It was a liberal who bit the finger off a man who disagreed with him on healthcare.

    -It was Obama-loving Amy Bishop who took a gun to work and murdered co-workers.

    -Joseph Stack flew his plane into the IRS building after writing an anti-conservative manifesto.

    -It was liberals who destroyed AM radio towers outside of Seattle.

    -It’s liberals who burn down Hummer dealerships.

    -It was progressive SEIU union thugs who beat a black conservative man who spoke his mind.

    YouTube – African American man beaten by SEIU Union Thugs in St. Louis at townhall protest

    -Don’t forget it was Obama’s friend Bill Ayers who used terrorism as a tool for political change. SDS is still radical, with arrests in 2007 and the storming of the CATO Institute in July 2008.

    -It was a liberal who was sentenced to two years for bringing bombs and riot shields to the Republican National Convention in 2008.

    -It was a liberal who threatened to kill a government informant who infiltrated her Austin-based group that planned to bomb the RNC.

    -It was liberals who assaulted police in Berkeley.

    -It was liberals who intimidated and threw rocks through the windows of researchers.

    -The two Black Panthers who stood outside polls intimidating people with nightsticks were probably not right-wingers.

    -Every time the G20 gets together, it’s not conservatives who destroy property and cause chaos.

    Now back to the hateful rhetoric:

    Sgt. Ed Schutlz calls Republicans bastards. This is pretty tame actually, compared to some of the other shit he’s said.

    YouTube – Ed Schultz Calls Republicans Bastards.

    “Republicans want you dead”

    Air America host Randi Rhodes threatens Bush:

    NewsMax.com: Inside Cover Story

    Quote:
    Comparing Bush and his family to the Corleones of “Godfather” fame, Air America host Randi Rhodes reportedly unleashed this zinger during her Monday night broadcast: “Like Fredo, somebody ought to take him out fishing and phuw. ”
    Rhodes then imitated the sound of a gunshot.
    In “Godfather II,” Fredo Corleone is executed by brother Michael at the end of the film.

    How about the “kill Bush” products sold at Caffe Press?

  165. 165.

    SFAW

    January 15, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    Larry –
    You promised two posts. Lying again, I see. On top of the untruths and half-truths from the last one.

    Poor baby, did your keyboard throw up, because it got tired of being used for more bullshit?

    Poor baby, can’t even screech right.

    Poor baby.

    Your lies are becoming your hallmark. Good to know.

    Poor whiny baby

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