If you are on twitter, I think I started a trend making up some Hoekstroikas.
Follow #bloodlibel and #ahistoricalmorans for some giggles.
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hilts
Sharron Angle: “The despicable act in Tucson is a horrifying and senseless tragedy, and should be condemned as a single act of violence, by a single unstable individual… Expanding the context of the attack to blame and to infringe upon the people’s Constitutional liberties is both dangerous and ignorant…The irresponsible assignment of blame to me, Sarah Palin or the Tea Party movement by commentators and elected officials puts all who gather to redress grievances in danger… I have consistently called for reasonable political dialogue on policy issues to encourage civil political education and debate”
h/t http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..07911.html
You Don't Say
The levity is well-deserved and much needed. So she’s already taken the video down. Ha!
Cat Lady
@hilts:
Then would one of our awesome media heavyweights please ask her what she meant by exercising Second Amendment remedies, and don’t let her run away this time? Jeebus, all the fucksticks are opening their pieholes today.
Church Lady
Even before Palin’s statement, I knew I had seen the phrase “blood libel” already applied to the Tuscon shooting, but I couldn’t remember where. I found these two things online, so perhaps it will shed a little light on the phrase and how it is being used in connection to the shooting:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/01/12/dershowitz-gives-palin-the-go-ahead-on-blood-libel.
And this one:
http://www.niemanlab.org/2011/01/blood-libel-how-language-evolves-and-spreads-within-online-worlds/
Bulworth
@You Don’t Say: Who took which video down?
cleek
any more Palin talk and i’m gonna have to avail myself of some 21st Amendment remedies.
cyntax
@cleek:
The cause of–and solution to–all of man’s problems.
kerFuFFler
@You Don’t Say: I think Palin took her video down because she suddenly realized she was having a bad hair day. Must not undercut a good “blood libel” with limp locks!
You Don't Say
@Bulworth: According to numerous tweets, Palin has taken down the video. I won’t look so can’t verify.
THE
If you, and a couple of friends were going to get together and make a Science Fiction short film.
If you were going to do the post-production yourself in your spare time.
Do you think you could make something as awesome as Ben Craig did with Modern Times?
Comrade Mary
The video was down at Vimeo, but it’s up again. Li’l Growly and Jowly rages on!
Villago Delenda Est
There is no question what “2nd Amendment Remedies” means.
It means using firearms to get your way.
Which is what the kid in Arizona did. Egged on by irresponsible asswipes like Sharon Angle and Sarah Palin.
Bulworth
@You Don’t Say: Thanks. I don’t blame you for not verifying. I can’t either.
GregB
I blame Glenn Reynolds for Sarah Palin’s gaffe.
Does that make me guilty of pud libel?
The comments section at Haaretz is giving Sarah Palin no quarter.
Pooh
this one wins
Calouste
According to the WaPo, one of the leads the police is following is how a loser like Loughner got $1000 together to buy the gun, the magazines and the ammo.
cyntax
My fave so far:
Also a strong contender:
meh
maybe you guys can help me out – anyone know where there is a list of violence committed by right wing nutjobs over say the last 10 years or so? Eric son of Erick has a bullshit list up over at failstate chronicling the the Left’s love of all things death (mainly hippies with signs). I have a non-banned alias that is burnin a hole in my pocket that I would love to use with that little list as a rebuttal…off the top of my head – the IRS plane guy, the doctor murdered in KS, the nutjob in PA that killed the cops, the Holocaust museum guy – what else?
Villago Delenda Est
Sure, Sharon. “Second amendment remedies” is an example of “reasonable political dialog”. Where you hold a gun to someone’s head to “persuade” them.
sukabi
@GregB: no that makes you guilty of pud slapping… keep doing that and you’ll go blind.
srv
All this hunting of conservatives like Palin, reminds me of how Anne Frank must have felt.
Basilisc
Not sure if anyone’s posted this yet – but someone’s been mailing explosive packages to Janet Napolitano and Martin O’Malley:
http://www.salon.com/news/janet_napolitano/index.html?story=/news/feature/2011/01/07/us_maryland_packages
At the risk of committing blood libel, I’d like to point out that Janet Napolitano is the former Democratic governor of Arizona, and O’Malley is the current Democratic governor of Maryland.
licensed to kill time
Balloon Juice keeps slowing to a crawl for me every 10 minutes or so.
{{{{ Balloon Juice Libel! }}}}
blueintheface
@GregB: She’s going to need one big-assed Israeli flag pin to make up for this one.
srv
@meh: Fallows had a link to a site that had 100’s of crazy statements and actions.
MazeDancer
Video is now password protected. (It’s still on YT, from others. Not her. No risk of official comments.)
Putting on the password is probably a PR move. She’s just ramping up to own the day, steal it from the President healing the nation. Find another way to go on Fox and shout “victim” and “explain” so her patsy’s will send more loot.
The video really felt like it needed an 800 number for SarahPac crawling across the bottom of the screen.
sukabi
@meh: here’s an “Insurrection Timeline” from just the last 2 years…
AlladinsLamp
Well, here’s the last two years.
Via Digby.
fasteddie9318
@Church Lady:
Your first link is broken, much like any semblance of credibility you might have once had. The second demonstrates that Palin, rather than being the assclown who invented the “blood libel” whinge, merely borrowed it from the assclowns who actually invented it after the shooting, making her a second-degree assclown and not the primary assclown of record. So she’s got that going for her.
Now off to the pie filter with you.
You Don't Say
How is she going to explain away her use of ‘blood libel’ now?
Maybe something about the much-aligned surveyors?
Joey Maloney
@cleek: WIN
Southern Beale
Yes I’m on Twitter where I’ve learned the righties have finally found hate speech coming from the left in the form of political scientist Francis Fox Pivens, who supposedly rang in the New Year with a call to violent revolution!! Yes, here is what she said in The Nation:
Referencing “unruly mobs” is TOTALLY THE SAME THING if not WORSE than walking around armed talking about watering the tree of liberty! And telling everyone you came unarmed “this time.” Can’t you see?
meh
@srv:
I think this is it – it’s crazy – I hadn’t heard about even half of these.
dmsilev
Courtesy of some random commentator on the NYT story on Palin’s video, I have a new nickname for her: Lady Blah Blah.
dms
4jkb4ia
Joanne Freeman on violence in Congress in the pre-Civil War period
Graeme
It pleases me Glenn Reynolds derailed Sarah Palin. Good on Instapundit for doing something worthwhile for once.
fanshawe
I don’t see what the big deal is, everyone knows that “blood libel” is a commonly used surveyor’s term.
Violet
@meh:
The Insurrection Timeline from the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence might be helpful.
Violet
@fanshawe:
There were surveyors working in my neighborhood. It was just like The Killing Fields.
burnspbesq
In which the Tea-Party-backed, Republican-controlled Wake County school board tries to turn back the calendar to 1953.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/11/AR2011011107063.html
Linkmeister
@meh: Digby had a list pulled from Dave Niewert’s blog at Crooks and Liars the other day.
Note that’s a list of crimes committed after the Heller v. DC SCOTUS decision which said the 2nd Amendment gave individuals the right to bear arms, not the militias they belong to.
Villago Delenda Est
@fanshawe:
I think we have a possible win here, Alex!
4jkb4ia
The linked op-ed should warm John’s heart because even if admonitions to watch what you said did not work in the pre-Civil War period, it is the only suggestion that she has now–
(I am proud of John going viral given his slow adoption of Twitter)
merrinc
@cleek:
I second that emotion. I know it’s 5 o’clock somewhere but the kids are home due to a snow day and I’m trying to be a good influence. Or at least not a really bad one.
eglenn
@meh
The list of interest is about halfway down.
Legalize
I was driving to work this morning. Someone blood libeled me by changing lanes in front of me without signaling.
geg6
@Church Lady:
Your first linky no worky. And your second only goes to prove that the entire fReichwing seem to think that criticism is exactly like the pogroms and the Holocaust.
I really don’t think your defense is doing what you think it is doing.
Xecky Gilchrist
So, Sharon, how’s that Second Amendment Remedy stuff workin’ for ya?
j low
Excellent rant from David Lowery of Cracker/Camper Van Beethoven.
Zuzu's Petals
From Patton Oswalt, best Tweet yet:
Linda Featheringill
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/01/pro-israel-groups-palin-must-apologize-for-blood-libel-accusation/69400/
It seems that a number of Jewish groups are not happy with Sarah.
hilts
Why Did Howard Kurtz Sit on an Embarrassing Correction for Six Weeks?
http://gawker.com/5731654/why-did-howard-kurtz-sit-on-an-embarrassing-correction-for-six-weeks
geg6
@Zuzu’s Petals:
That is awesome. I like Patton Oswalt. Have you seen “The Fan?”
j low
Strange: My link didn’t take, but it works when I hit reply. ??
freelancer
@geg6:
I think you mean “Big Fan”.
Barb (formerly Gex)
@freelancer: I’ve never seen Patton Oswalt and Wesley Snipes in the same place, so….
stuckinred
@j low: I just noticed that!
scav
Commentator A: “America has an obesity problem.”
Anonymous Blogger and/or Pundit: “They said Sarah’s butt looks fat!”
Chorus: “AND THEY’RE TRYING TO OUTLAW CHEEEEETTTOOOSS ! ! !”
Sarah Starburst: “Our Founding Fathers threw Tea into the Patriotic Bay of Valley Forge in order to Water It with the Blood of Those Muslim-Commie Haters of Col Saunders and his Seven Secret Spices of American Exceptionalism. Also, Too, The Eagle of Liberty Fries. And It’s not over until The Fat Lady Sings: Lock and Swallow!”
You Don't Say
Here’s a winning tweet (via Sullivan):
If crimes “begin and end with the criminals who commit them,” I think Sarah Palin just endorsed a mosque near Ground Zero.
hilts
Tucker Carlson pulling a Palin
Tucker Carlson: At about the same time Attorney General Ashcroft was being wheeled into the operating room, the liberal think tank, Clintonite Center For American Progress, was resurrecting a blood libel against him.
h/t http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/01/12/blood_libel_history
You Don't Say
@Zuzu’s Petals: Hilarious!
Church Lady
@fasteddie9318: Sorry, the end of the link got cut off somehow. Perhaps it will work this time.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/01/12/dershowitz-gives-palin-the-go-ahead-on-blood-libel.aspx
MikeJ
@hilts: He is desperate for people to remember that he exists, isn’t he?
cyntax
So is password protecting the video retreating or reloading?
Zuzu's Petals
@geg6:
No, but I think he’s adorable on “United States of Tara.”
geg6
@freelancer:
That’s it. “The Fan” was some crappy movie with DeNiro, wasn’t it?
geg6
@Zuzu’s Petals:
I haven’t watched that show even though I read good things about it. I simply cannot watch that bug-eyed woman who stars in it. She creeps me out.
merrinc
@burnspbesq:
I read that earlier and was thankful, once again, that I left Raleigh a decade ago.
Jay in Oregon
@Zuzu’s Petals:
Holy crap, the Twitter is on fire today!
http://twitter.com/#!/DerekSchlicker/status/25295269776072704
scav
@Zuzu’s Petals: yeah, so I wonder how many yellow stars her fans used to rate the video up in the first place?
Southern Beale
@dmsilev:
Someone here called her America’s Vuvuzela which I co-opted because it’s so apt. However it really does apply more widely to all of the stupid non-troversies.
Makewi
You can feel the joy from the fallout to this shooting here. Truly you are all love.
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
@geg6:
I saw Big Fan. It’s a good little movie.
jwb
@Makewi: We love you too sweetie pie. Now come give us a kiss.
stuckinred
@geg6: Toni Colette is great. Watch Japanese Story.
Zuzu's Petals
@geg6:
I like Toni Collete, but the show is definitely an acquired taste.
cyntax
@Makewi:
I’m sorry, how would you suggest we treat Carribou Barbie’s botched attempt to score points from this? I think she’s getting all the respect her effort deserves.
Xecky Gilchrist
You can feel the joy from the fallout to this shooting here.
Nope.
I’m just glad that the blatant calls for assassination by conservatives are being called out now instead of after several hundred more “Second Amendment Remedies” have been carried out.
It gives me some faith in the American people that “if you disagree with someone, shoot them” isn’t being internalized as a political principle as easily as people like Sharron Angle wanted it to be.
And Another Thing...
My personal ray of sunshine for the day is the thought of John McCain at the memorial service having to sit and listen to Barack Hussein Obama the President of the United States. That’s just sweet.
And, fuck John McCain for risking the USA by plucking Palin from deserved obscurity.
Makewi
@jwb:
That’s very nice. If only you were closer.
Chyron HR
@Makewi:
Oh, look, it’s the douche who loves to try to shut people up using faux moral outrage.
Tell us again how you “grieved” when you heard about the innocent victim of this tragedy (ie, Sarah Palin, not some libtard brat who had it coming).
Makewi
@Xecky Gilchrist:
The thing is that there are no “blatant calls for assassination” now anymore then during the 8 years of heated rhetoric when Bush was president. What there is is you using a horrible situation to try to get those with whom you disagree to shut up. It’s kinda your thing really.
Anne Laurie
@meh: Insurrectionism Timeline
Makewi
@Chyron HR:
You are aware that you are arguing with the phantoms in your head are you not? You might want to consider talking to someone about that.
Andy K
@Makewi:
(NOT!) THIS!
Because everyone remembers how the media and the Democratic Party mainstreamed violent imagery and rhetoric during Stupor Mundi’s administration…
asiangrrlMN
@stuckinred: One of my favorite movies. A shame so few people actually saw it.
I needed the giggles, Cole. Thanks.
Chris- The Fold
Anyone else notice bin Laden and Palin both like to address their flocks and the media via prerecorded video taped messages?
Xecky Gilchrist
Makewi – sorry, buckaroo, you’ve backed the wrong pony. Political murder is unpopular.
Chyron HR
@Makewi:
Gee, I’m sorry. Is making you look like a hypocrite by repeating the things you said yesterday also a form of “Blood Libel”?
Makewi
@Xecky Gilchrist:
Unless a (non) political murder can be made to look like one for purposes of trying to silence those with whom you disagree with, in which case you have threads for at least a week. POPULAR!!!
Makewi
@Chyron HR:
Oh, I get it now. You think I am Sarah Palin. They have medicine for that sort of problem now.
I understand your need to politicize what was not actually a political act. Its due to the same pathology that has you thinking I’m your favorite Republican.
Silver Owl
@Makewi:
You should have mailed out and/or emailed your demands for utter obedience and proper Makewi behavior so that everyone would know in advance for your appearance and could make pleasing you their number one priority of they day.
jacy
@Makewi:
What kind of blender do use to throw those words into? Is it a Waring? I’m looking for something industrial strength for cocktails.
Makewi
@Silver Owl:
Yes, I should have. As it stands I will just have to point out how absolutely overjoyed you all are at the opportunity that this little girls death has provided you to again lie in the hopes of silencing the opposition.
Makewi
@jacy:
It’s ok, not everyone has what it takes to read for comprehension. Better luck next time.
Mnemosyne
@Makewi:
So tell us, Makewi, what non-political motive did Loughner have for shooting a US congresswoman in the head and then spraying the crowd at her political rally with bullets?
If it was just something personal, he would have only shot her (probably multiple times, given previous assassinations) and then run, so that explanation doesn’t fly.
So what entirely non-political motive are you picturing for shooting people at a political rally?
Mnemosyne
@Makewi:
So Sarah Palin scrubs her website of the offensive material immediately after the shooting to try and cover her tracks, but we’re the ones who are lying?
I don’t think that word means what you think it means. And given how you keep becoming less and less coherent, I think your guilty conscience is starting to bother you. There’s only so many times that you can claim that there’s nothing violent at all in saying that people should change the results of an election with “Second Amendment remedies” before what you’re saying starts to sink in.
Makewi
@Mnemosyne:
This is just fail on so many levels that I thought it deserved to be segregated from the rest of your fail so that the non dream journal keeping sane folks who really aren’t quite sure what violent a-political crazy people will do from one moment to the next could point and laugh at it easier.
Makewi
@Mnemosyne:
Hey, are you trying to bring a gun to a knife fight? Or are you just pretending that the use of war and fighting metaphors aren’t, and haven’t been, commonplace in US politics since forever?
It’s pathetic really.
Lorna
Why isn’t anybody talking about the GMA interview with the bff of Jared Laughner? I have copy and pasted the part that you all will ignore because it doesn’t fit your sick agenda.
ABC News’ Ashleigh Banfield filed a fascinating report on the Arizona Shooting Tragedy today, but it was unfortunately missed by many in NYC because of snow coverage. And its a shame, because the brief interview with alleged assailant’s former “best friend” Zach Osler reveals some insight into the troubled mind of Jared Loughner. “He did not watch TV, he disliked the news” Osler averred, shortly after becoming quite emotional when faced with the unsettling mug shot of his former friend.
Osler continued, “he didn’t listen to political radio, he didn’t take sides, he wasn’t on the left, he wasn’t on the right.”
I am sorry……..what was that? He He did not watch TV, he disliked the news” Osler continued, “he didn’t listen to political radio, he didn’t take sides, he wasn’t on the left, he wasn’t on the right.” Huh……..and all you progressives were so sure of yourselves. Hey, somebody ought to tell MSNBC because I don’t think they saw the interview. Feel free to google, you can watch the interview for yourself.
SO I AM SURE ALL YOU THAT HAVE BASHED THE RIGHT FOR THE LAST FEW DAYS WILL NOW APOLOGIZE……..ya, I won’t hold my breath.
Lorna
P.S. Shhhhh, but someone ought to tell the good sheriff!
Mnemosyne
@Makewi:
In other words, you know absolutely nothing about assassinations or assassins so pointing out a fact that’s common to all of them seems like a bizarre, out of context statement to you because of your total ignorance of the subject.
Maybe you should read on John Hinckley, Mark David Chapman, Lee Harvey Oswald, or even John Wilkes Booth and educate yourself.
Oh, who am I kidding? You’re proud of your total ignorance of everything you spout off on, so you’re not going to bother to actually learn something about the subject under discussion when you can flood the thread with your ignorance and not have to do any of the hard work of learning something.
There’s a bit of a difference between using the phrase “bringing a knife to a gun fight” and bringing a loaded gun to a political rally. More than one person at more than one rally in more than one place, in fact.
But you do seem to have some serious problems understanding the difference between a metaphor and an actual physical object, so maybe you really do think that the president brought a loaded gun with him to that meeting with Republicans in Congress just like all of those tea partiers brought loaded guns to Obama’s rallies.
TR
@Makewi:
Everything you’ve said is quite pathetic, yes.
There’s a difference between saying “we’re going to fight” or quoting a famous line from “The Untouchables,” and what the right did, with its nonstop pattern of calling their opponents traitors and calling for armed revolution against them.
Multiple people on the right said “if ballots don’t work, we’ll use bullets.” Sarah Palin put targets on 20 Democrats, and ballots worked to get rid of 18 of them. And now that someone put a bullet in the 19th of them — my friend, Gabby Giffords — the right wants to insist they had nothing to do with it. Bullshit.
Palin knows she fucked up, and that’s why she’s scrubbing her website and insisting the bullseyes were “surveyor’s symbols” and now trying to shift the blame to the mean old media for passing along her bloodthirsty rants. She knows she’s guilty and she’s running scared.
You can take your pathetic rationalizations and stuff them up your ass.
Mnemosyne
@Lorna:
Amazing how a guy who Loughner stopped speaking to two years ago knows exactly what Loughner has been reading and watching since he last saw him.
I don’t doubt that the Loughner his friend knew two years ago wasn’t very political, but two years is a long time and people change — especially people who are having a psychotic breakdown. So you’ve managed to prove exactly, um, nothing at all, except that Loughner’s friends say he was a different person before he had his psychotic break. Well, duh.
Makewi
@Mnemosyne:
No, in other words, I laugh at your ability to just know things like what some crazy psycho with a gun will or will not do. Your “logic” is designed entirely to convince yourself. It. Is. Fail.
Makewi
@Mnemosyne:
Nuh-uh Lorna. Nuh-uh.
Makewi
A rightie wouldn’t be caught dead using an expression like “peace out”. Clearly a lefty. Why must you on the left be so violent?
TR
@Lorna:
I know Rush Limbaugh and Fox News have been pimping that quote relentlessly, but what they — and you, of course, in your dittohead repetition — leave out is that Osler is a friend of his from high school — four years ago.
Four years ago — before he started to manifest the signs of his insanity, before he radically changed his personality, before he started all his YouTube clips that are full of right-wing nonsense about the gold standard and the government conspiracies, before Sarah Palin and the Teatards were even on the map.
By the way, it says quite a bit about you as a person that a political assassination attempt has happened, several people lie dead and wounded, and all you care about is whether or not your fucking team looks good or not. Go fuck yourself, you horrible excuse for a human being.
Lorna
@Mnemosyne: So Sarah Palin scrubs her website of the offensive material immediately after the shooting to try and cover her tracks, but we’re the ones who are lying?
What are your thoughts on the daily rag oops i mean Kos and their scrubbing of the article, “My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!”
The daily rag, oops again, I mean Kos does lean left, doesn’t it?
Who exactly was that article referring to?
Mnemosyne
@Makewi:
I know what other “crazy psychos” who have assassinated people have done. Loughner does not fit the pattern. If there are no patterns and every “crazy psycho” acts completely differently from others who committed the same crime, we need to close down the behavioral science center at the FBI immediately, because clearly all of the cases they’ve solved were plain blind luck since no “crazy psycho” ever acts similarly to another one.
Once again, I am completely staggered by your profound ignorance of the very subjects you insist on speaking about.
TR
@Mnemosyne:
What you said.
The desperation of the right here — but his Boy Scout leader said he never discussed politics! — is just pathetic.
And frankly, quite telling. They know they’ve crossed the line here and bear some responsibility, and they’re trying to convince everyone. Including themselves.
Makewi
@Mnemosyne:
So you’re saying it wasn’t a political act, which I agree with. In fact, it’s what I’ve been saying.
Mnemosyne
@Lorna:
You mean the article that the writer put up a public apology for writing?
So if we’re drawing an equivalency, where’s Palin’s public apology?
Makewi
@TR:
That’s some violent rhetoric you got going on there. Aren’t you worried about how that discourse will affect society. I mean, someone might get shot.
Lorna
@Mnemosyne: It doesn’t matter who they interview, they could interview his mother and she could say the same thing and it would not be good enough for the far left progressives. I will take his word someone that knew him, over any journalist or sheriff that doesn’t have any facts to back up their claims that have admitted it is their opinion only hours after the tragedy. But, I know how the left loves speculation…..it fits your rhelm of reality so well.
TR
@Lorna:
My thoughts are that I understand what “dead to me” means:
And my thoughts are that because I actually understand the English language, I can see the difference between that and statements like Michelle Bachmann urging her supporters to be “armed and dangerous,” Allan West saying if it doesn’t work by the ballot it’ll work by the bullet, or Sharron Angle talking about how conservatives would take “Second Amendment remedies” if they didn’t win at the ballot boxes.
Those are all real threats, not antiquated figures of speech.
And those all came from prominent Republican figures, not from some anonymous hippie over at a fucking blog.
Once again: Go fuck yourself, you vile excuse for a human being.
Mnemosyne
@Makewi:
Sorry, no dice. It was a political act by a “crazy psycho” because, believe it or not, “crazy psychos” are influenced by the culture they live in.
But, hey, Dr. Swartz is merely “a psychiatry professor at Duke University who specializes in how environment impacts the behavior of the mentally ill.” I’m sure you understand these things much better than some guy who’s actually researched and studied the subject.
TR
@Makewi:
Yes, because me telling you all to “go fuck yourself” is exactly the same thing as saying “if we don’t win at the polls, we’ll need to get our guns and enact an armed revolution.”
I know you’re trying your best to seem retarded on this blog, but honestly, you’re going too far here.
TR
By the way, Makewi, I know most gun nuts are compensating for something with their obsession, but if you’re using the guns when you’re fucking yourself, you’re taking that too far as well.
Mnemosyne
@Lorna:
Man, I love how someone who crows that she’s totally pwned us because someone says that Loughner wasn’t political suddenly moves the goalposts as soon as I point out the fact that the guy hasn’t seen or spoken to Loughner in two years.
There are facts here, but sadly, they are not on your side. But maybe if you click your heels together three times and wish real hard, you can make those mean ol’ facts do what you want!
Lorna
@TR:
By the way, it says quite a bit about you as a person that a political assassination attempt has happened, several people lie dead and wounded, and all you care about is whether or not your fucking team looks good or not. Go fuck yourself, you horrible excuse for a human being.
That is rich coming from someone on a website that has been one of the only things its been doing is laying blame. Look in the mirror bud. You can’t expect to sh– all over people and when you are wrong not get a little poo thrown back at you!
Makewi
@Mnemosyne:
Guess we better hurry up and ban violent movies and video games. And books. I mean, that is what you all want right?
Or are you hoping that what you can do is just limit the very selective “violent rhetoric” that just so happens to coincide with people who tend to disagree with you on political issues?
Makewi
@Mnemosyne:
For the record. He spoke to the shooter a lot more recently than you did. You can try to pretend that this makes him just as clueless as you, but it doesn’t. Nice try though.
Chyron HR
@Makewi:
Remember, Makewi’s not making jokes about shooting liberals (and their children), he’s making jokes about people who threaten to shoot liberals. And their children.
It’s an important distinction, and if you don’t honor it, you’re guilty of BLOOD LIBEL.
Makewi
@TR:
I worry about you, because you can’t seem to get over your anger issues. Can you point me to the direct quote of “if we don’t win at the polls, we’ll need to get our guns and enact an armed revolution.”, because I must have missed that one.
TR
@Lorna:
Tell you what, do me a favor and find the examples from Democratic politicians that match these statements from Republicans, and I’ll look in the mirror.
March 21-22, 2009 — Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (R-MN) states that she wants residents of her state to be “armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us ‘having a revolution every now and then is a good thing,’ and the people—we the people—are going to have to fight back hard if we’re not going to lose our country.”
July 15, 2009 — Katherine Crabill (Republican candidate for the Virginia House of Delegates 99th District) makes headlines by calling on Americans to resist the course President Obama has set for the country. Appearing at a “Tea Party” rally “We have a chance to fight this battle at the ballot box before we have to resort to the bullet box. But that’s the beauty of our Second Amendment right. I am glad for all of us who enjoy the use of firearms for hunting. But make no mistake. That was not the intent of the Founding Fathers. Our Second Amendment right was to guard against tyranny.”
August 25, 2009 – Rex Rammell, (candidate in the 2010 Idaho Republican Primary) remarks on “Obama hunting tags” at a discussion about state-issued tags for wolf hunting.”The Obama tags? We’d buy some of those.” In a subsequent press release, he adds, “Anyone who understands the law knows I was just joking, because Idaho has no jurisdiction to issue hunting tags in Washington, D.C.”
August 26, 2009 — Debra Medina (Texas gubernatorial candidate) “We are aware that stepping off into secession may in fact be a bloody war. We are aware. We understand that the tree of freedom is occasionally watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.”
September 28, 2009— Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA), Chairman of the Second Amendment Task Force in the U.S. House of Representatives, calls House Speaker Nancy Pelosi a “domestic enemy of the Constitution”
April 10, 2010 — Martha Dean (Republican candidate for Attorney General in Connecticut) “If government is legitimate and truly is the voice of the people, it need never fear the people themselves when they’re armed. Only a government that uses secrecy and force to impose improper laws [to] which the people do not consent need fear the wrath of its law-abiding citizens at the ballot box or, ultimately, with arms … Our right of free speech and to back it up with arms if necessary if our government becomes tyrannical and unjust as King George’s was to the colonists are the most essential of the rights we as Americans have … I will oppose all efforts to create nonsensical distinctions that are nowhere supported by our constitutions between different types of firearms. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that the government gets the effective firearms and the people the ineffective ones. Nowhere in our Constitution does it say that the government gets the modern firearms and the citizens only get the antiquated ones.”
April 13, 2010 — Sen. Randy Brogdon (R-OK) on meeting with Oklahoma Tea Party groups to discuss the formation of a new “volunteer militia” to defend against ‘improprer federal infringements on state sovereignty’ Brogdon states that the Founding Fathers “were not referring to a turkey shoot or a quail hunt. They really weren’t even talking about us having the ability to protect ourselves against each other. The Second Amendment deals directly with the right of an individual to keep and bear arms to protect themselves from an overreaching federal government.”
May 6, 2010 — Christina Jeffrey (Republican candidate 4th Congressional District South Carolina) holding an AK-47 assault rifle; “Why do we have the Second Amendment? The Second Amendment ensures all of our other rights … The Second Amendment was placed in the Constitution, plainly, to ensure that our limited government stayed limited and that we would be able to enforce those limitations if need be … We are a sovereign people. A sovereign people is an armed people.”
May 15, 2010 — Newt Gingrich “The Second Amendment is not in defense of hunting. It is not in defense of target shooting. It is not in defense of collecting. The Second Amendment is in defense of freedom from the State.”
May 30, 2010 — Sharron Angle (Republican candidate U.S. Senator Nevada) “…the nation is arming. What are they arming for if it isn’t that they are so distrustful of government? They’re afraid they’ll have to fight for their liberty in more Second Amendment kinds of ways.”
May 31, 2010 — Rex Nichols (candidate for sheriff Montana’s Lincoln County) in reference to federal agents, Ruby Ridge, Waco and keeping feds out of the county if elected. “I am going to take my deputies and stand in the middle of the road and tell them to get the hell out …..And if they want a war, they got it.”
September 30, 2010 — Steve Kendley, (candidate for sheriff Montana’s Lake County) threatens “a violent conflict” with federal agents if “they are doing something I believe is unconstitutional.”
October 21, 2010 — Stephen Broden (Republican candidate for 30th Congressional District Texas) states the violent overthrow of the government is an “option” that remains “on the table.” “Our nation was founded on violence….I don’t think that we should ever remove anything from the table as it relates to our liberties and our freedoms.”
November 9, 2010 — U.S. Representative-Elect Allen West (R-Fla) “I am convinced that the most important thing the Founding Fathers did to ensure me my First Amendments rights was they gave me a Second Amendment. And if ballots don’t work, bullets will.”
November 29, 2010 — U.S. Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX) comparing the Obama administration to the Nazi regime in Germany “Put anything in my scope and I will shoot it.”
Mnemosyne
Maybe Makewi and Lorna need to call up these Arizona Republicans and reassure them that the death threats they’ve been getting from their own party members are nothing to worry about. After all, they know what’s dangerous better than someone who’s actually receiving the death threats.
Makewi
@Chyron HR:
Seriously you, the voices in your head which you keep quoting as if they were me, you shouldn’t listen to them. The fact that you simply cannot help yourself but to respond to some cartoon character version of what is actually being said is very, very sad.
Are you a lonely person?
Xecky Gilchrist
@Lorna: Whether or not Loughner was directly motivated by Palin’s or Angle’s calls for assassination, he carried them out. It’s a bad idea no matter what the motivation.
Felonious Wench
Lorna, Makewi is here. She is MUCH more fun than you are to play with. When you too have racked up the hundreds of fuck you’s that Makewi has, you will know what it is to truly troll with the BJ Commentariat.
Wait your turn like a good girl.
What were you saying, Makewi?
TR
@Makewi:
The reason I’m angry is that Gabby Giffords is a friend of mine, and all I see from the right is an insistence that all their threats of violence against her — the gun at her rally last year, the vandalism at her campaign headquarters, the Palin target, and all the rest — just had nothing to do with it.
You want quotes? Check the above, plus some of these:
Is that enough for you, asshole?
Xecky Gilchrist
It does break my heart that conservatives just can’t condemn political violence. I wonder why they hate America so much that they need to resort to threats all the time.
Mnemosyne
@Makewi:
TR knows Rep. Giffords. He is a personal friend of hers.
So fuck you, you fucking asshole, coming here with your crocodile tears and telling someone whose friend is lying in a hospital bed with part of her skull removed that he has anger issues about it.
elf
@Makewi:
peace out is a very common phrase for kids that age
no matter the political affiliation
Lorna
@TR: you will always have an answer that fits your agenda. Never usually grounded in the truth. You should be ashamed for the last couple of days, your party should be ashamed of USING this tragedy for political gain….but then again for you to feel shame, you would have to have a conscience. There is not any reason for me to argue, just wanted to make a post. Try not to use too much profanity.
Mnemosyne
@Makewi:
Well, I’d kind of like you to stop bringing your loaded guns to political rallies, but apparently even asking that much somehow restricts your free speech rights. Because, as I have noticed before, you don’t seem to understand the difference between a phrase and a loaded gun.
Felonious Wench
@Lorna:
I’m rubber, you’re glue….
Xecky Gilchrist
Still unable to condemn political violence.
Sigh.
SFAW
Lorna –
You keep using words that you don’t understand. I realize the Random Bullshit Generator ™ is a big help for someone with a room-temperature IQ, such as you. But after awhile, it gets boring and tiresome for those of us who DO speak English, what with the translation from Loona-speak into English and all.
We’ve told you more than once: sub-morons belong at RedStoat, please get yourself over there forthwith. They will truly welcome your cluelessness with open arms.
OK, time for your standard “witty” “I know you are, but what am I?” retort.
In 3 .. 2 .. 1 …..
Lorna
@TR:
Lorna
@Felonious Wench: What no colorful threats of violence with a rusty pitch fork, sideways from you today?
TR
@Lorna:
Right, I made all those quotes up. Fucking loon.
SFAW
TR –
With all the vast resources at Lorna’s command, she has only been able to find the Kanjorski thing, which was addressed on one of the other threads.
Better to treat her as the imbecile she is, rather than get your BP up over “her”.
By the way, I didn’t realize Rep. Giffords is a friend of yours. I’m sure it’s tough reading some of the shit here from the no-minds. Best wishes to you, her, and her family and (other) friends.
TR
@Lorna:
And liberal blogs — TPM, Washington Monthly, etc. — all called that idiot out on it. Too bad conservatives can’t do the same.
But hey, you found one Democrat to go along with hundreds of Republicans. I guess that makes it all OK.
piratedan
maybe I should just try and say it plainly…..
we’re asking you folks that have been advocating and endorsing the use of the violent rhetoric and imagery against people that you disagree with to stop doing so….
period
No one is saying that you can’t disagree with folks, no one is stating that you can’t be angry or upset or histrionic, just stop with the litany of complaints that we’re abusing your rights and privledges, no one has arrested you for it, no guns have been confiscated, no one has taxed you for it. Just stop it. Sit down, tell us what you want, tell us how you intend to pay for it or tell us what you want to stop paying for and why. If the majority of Americans agree with you, then fine you get to decide, remember, just like it was less than three years ago. You guys did such a stellar job you were rejected. Change happens and just like this last election cycle you took over one of the three main legislative bodies. You state your case and you take the results and accept them. Just like we have been.
Lorna
@TR: Just like you I can find hundreds of violent rhetoric from the Dems/left. I am sure more.
SFAW
TR –
You need to understand: in the “reality” that Lorna inhabits (so to speak), Basingstoke is in Westphalia.
So when “she” says “I can find hundreds of violent rhetoric” (more English fail there, of course) she really means “I can’t find any other examples, so I’ll keep regurgitating this one”. But as I said before, it’s the RBG ™ talking – I doubt a real person could be so vile.
Except, of course, if a DFH says “fuck”.
TR
@Lorna:
Then do it. That took me a minute, in response to you.
You firmly believe they’re out there, so go. Find them and enlighten us.
And unlike you — when I’m confronted with evidence that someone on my side has said something reprehensible, I will condemn it. I did so with Paul Kanjorski, and I’ll do so with anyone else.
But you? You’re presented with evidence of Republicans making nothing short of death threats against their enemies, and your response isn’t “yes, that’s wrong and I condemn it,” it’s “both sides do it!”
You’re pathetic.
scav
@SFAW: ah but she may be very very scared of fucking, a fate worse than swoon death to the delicately raised. heavens!
TR
@SFAW:
Thanks so much. You’re right, smacking down nitwits doesn’t do much for my blood pressure, but it sure does feel good.
I guess I’m just stunned at how no conservatives have been able to say, you know what, if people are getting shot, maybe we should tone it down a little. Plenty of liberals have done so — Paul Begala and Matt Taibbi, for God’s sake — even though no one has ever been killed as a result of their words.
But conservatives? Pfft. Three cops get killed by a Beck fan in Pittsburgh, and it’s not his fault. That guy goes out armed to shoot up the Tides Foundation, Beck’s favorite target, and it’s not his fault. That psycho shoots up a liberal church in Knoxville and credits Bernie Goldberg specifically, and it’s not his fault. That nut flies a plane into the IRS building in Austin, and it’s not their fault, any of them.
I’m old enough to remember when Republicans would claim to be the party of personal responsibility and it wasn’t quite so laughable. Now it’s nothing but psychopaths and sociopaths and their corporate enablers.
SFAW
That would require self-awareness and introspection – traits unknown to wingnuts. (I almost said “foreign” or “alien”, but SFB would doubtless have something exceedingly stupid to say about that)
Yes, but that was before we learned that they’re all about projection.
And I’m grateful that you didn’t bring up Scott Roeder and use it to tar Patriotic Conservo-American Bill O’Reilly.
TR
@SFAW:
Well, that would clearly be unfair. All he did was repeatedly say Dr. Tiller should be killed and then someone killed him. You’d have to take a pretty circuitous route to get there.
Funny, but as I was writing this, I flipped on Hardball (I know, I know) and caught David Brock laying out three specific examples in which right-wing assassination attempts just in the past year were documented, in court, to have stemmed from the inspiration of Glenn Beck.
Wow, Mediate already has the clip. Watch it here.
Xecky Gilchrist
@TR: your response isn’t “yes, that’s wrong and I condemn it,” it’s “both sides do it!”
It’s true, they can’t bring themselves to condemn it. I wonder why not? Is it so hard just to say “political violence is wrong?”
Apparently so, and it is truly heartbreaking.
Makewi
@Mnemosyne:
No one was shot at those rallies, despite the presence of armed citizens with loaded guns. Please continue ignoring that fact.
TR
Hey, another right-wing nut making assassination threats against a Democrat.
Come on, Lorna, surely you’ve found a hundred examples of the same kind of thing being made by Democrats against Republicans, right? No? How about fifty? No? Ten?
Wow, it’s almost like you’re utterly and completely full of shit.
Makewi
@TR:
First, fuck you. Second, you will not silence those with whom you have political disagreement. It is what you want, but you will not get it. So I guess second is really fuck you too.
Makewi
@Xecky Gilchrist:
It’s because it wasn’t “political violence” anymore than Hinkley was political violence. It was a madman with a gun.
scav
Funny how Makewi equates not agreeing with it to silencing it.
SFAW
Xecky –
You obviously missed the note they found yesterday, where Loughner wrote that he’s doing it to impress some girl named Iris. So, see, it wasn’t political after all. Now aren’t you ashamed of yourself?
Makewi
@scav:
No, it’s fine that we don’t agree. The difference is that I’m not trying to pin the acts of a madman on your rhetoric.
And then, as it happens, you go on to explain that a web site used by the Palin PAC to “target” the opposition is just such an example of violent rhetoric. So, yes, you are trying to silence your critics by setting yourself up as the arbiters of what constitutes “violent rhetoric”.
SFAW
What’s funnier is his Mickey-the-Dunce routine. “What violent rhetoric?” etc. etc.
Zuzu's Petals
@Makewi:
And no voters were beaten with those nightsticks the Black Panthers were brandishing at the polling place.
Kee-rist on a broomstick, you are dishonest.
Fraud Guy
Just thinking about when they decided to deep six the “Don’t Retreat, Reload” comment.
“Will no one rid me of this meddlesome tweet?”
Lorna
@TR: Okay I will have to do this with two postings. Here are just a few that I found in about 30 minutes…..you are right it did take me longer, but I don’t have a website that I can just copy and paste. We right wingers don’t compile and keep a list of the lefts hate speech. There is soooooo much more of this, I actually started to get sick of how hateful it all is, so I am stopping. Just a drop in the bucket!
I will say that I read over your list and didn’t see any quotes from Rebubs quite as graphic, and specific as John Kerry and Rep. Kanjorski.
In 2009 Pelosi accuses Tea Party of carrying Nazi signs; 2010 top Pelosi staffer leads Nazi-Sign Rally
RWB News: Will this be spoken of on State Run Media?(Photo of Palin with a Nazi mustache.
August 2009– Speaker Nancy Pelosi compared tea party protesters to Nazis.
“They’re carrying Swastikas and symbols like that.”
September 2010– Pelosi’s Deputy Director of Member Services leads a Nazi-sign rally in Chicago.
Pelosi crossed the line when she related the rhetoric of anti-gay protesters in San Francisco in 1978 — the year Harvey Milk, the first openly gay member of the city’s board of supervisors, and his political ally, Mayor George Moscone, were killed by former supervisor Dan White — to that of contemporary conservatives while answering a question about the protests against President Obama’s health-care proposals.
“The Speaker is now likening genuine opposition to assassination. Such insulting rhetoric.
Vile protesters with Nazi signs were caught on film returning to Rep. Debbie Halvorson‘s office this week after protesting in front of Americans for Prosperity offices in Chicago.
On October 23, 21010 Rep. Paul Kanjorski, D-Pa., said this about Florida’s new Republican Governor Rick Scott:
“That Scott down there that’s running for governor of Florida,” Mr. Kanjorski said. “Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he’s running for governor of Florida. He’s a millionaire and a billionaire. He’s no hero. He’s a damn crook. It’s just we don’t prosecute big crooks.”
“John Kerry was asked whether he couldn’t have “killed two birds with one stone” by visiting New Hampshire. He responded with a mild joke about assassinating the president: “I could have gone to 1600 Pennsylvania and
killed the real bird with one stone.”
Gov. Steve Beshear, a Kentucky superdelegate at the national convention in August, avoided talking about the Democratic candidates by criticizing President Bush. “When I mention that Democrats are problem solvers, I can think of only one Republican who can be a problem solver — that is Vice President Dick Cheney if he would just take George on a hunting trip,”
President Obama”whose asses to kick” Obama predicted “hand-to-hand combat” with his political opponents and has made such remarks as
“if they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun” — making Obama the first American president to advocate gun fights since Andrew Jackson.
We’re gonna punish our enemies”
we can’t have special interests sitting shotgun. We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don’t mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.
Then there is just the out and out lies and spreading of hate based in rhetoric ONLY!
–Howard Dean getting crazy, ” ‘Senate Republicans Want To Kill The Bill And Kill The President'”:
–Alan Grayson- “Republicans want you to die quickly”
–Al Franken-Drug war, well, as Rush Limbaugh said, anyone who uses drugs illegally should be prosecuted and put away. I don’t agree with him; I think they should be treated, but that’s what Rush believes and so, you know, we’re praying for Rush because he’s in recovery and you take responsibilities for your actions so I’m sure any day now Rush will demand to be put away for the maximum sentence and ask for the most dangerous prison and we’ll be praying for maybe an African American cellmate who saw the Donovan McNabb comments on ESPN. So we’re prayin’.”
Joe Manchin using a real shotgun to shoot the healthcare bill……
–MSNBC’s Schultz Compares Tea Party Movement to Nazi ‘Brown Shirts’ to Demonize Beck Rally
– Ed Schultz -Republicans want you dead!
Democratic use of targets or bullseye on campaign maps
The DLC one appeared in the December 13, 2004 edition of Blueprint Magazine: It says, in all caps, “BEHIND ENEMY LINES.”
The DCCC one is from February 23, 2010: When you click on the graphic targets you get in nice bold letters “Targeted Republican” with a photo and what he/she has voted against.
Don’t even get me started on Michael Moore and his films.
Re: Liberal rhetoric.
Sandra Bernhards Palins gang rape joke
http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2008/09/20/Bernhard-defends-Palin-gang-rape-joke/UPI-54281221944567/
Just sick stuff coming from the left that have a stage. Nothing violent here….just move along people.
Wanda Sykes Hopes Rush Limbaugh’s Kidneys Fail
‘Ashley Judd Targets Sarah Palin for Sport Hunting’
‘Boondocks’ Creator McGruder Calls Condi Rice, Colin Powell Murderers
Ebert’s Site Praises Left-wing Bush Assassination Film
Kathy Griffin Says 2011 is 16-year-old Willow Palin’s ‘year to go down’
Alec Baldwin threatens to Stone Henry Hyde, kill children
Joy Behar wants that ‘*****’ Sharron Angle to go ‘to hell’
David Lettermans sick sex jokeabout Palins teen daughter
Aaron Sorkin happy when hunters shoot each other
Playboy Magazine’s Hate-F**k List of Conservative Women
Montel Williams Urges Michele Bachmann to kill herself
Perez Hilton Calls Miss California a ‘c*nt’ because she doesn’t believe what he does.
Jeff Wells Praises metaphor of ‘Hobo’ film blasting wealthy with shotgun
Sean Penn Calls Reagan’s Alzheimer’s ‘Justice’
Rosie O’Donnell Calls bush ‘war criminal’ who must ‘be held accountable’
Madonna bashing Sarah Palin and shrieking “I will kick her ass:
Sandra Bernhard bashing Sarah Palin and cursing her head off with hate warping her crazed face:
-It was not the fear of conservative violence that caused Ann Coulter’s speech to be cancelled.
-It was a liberal who bit the finger off a man who disagreed with him on healthcare.
-It was Obama-loving Amy Bishop who took a gun to work and murdered co-workers.
-Joseph Stack flew his plane into the IRS building after writing an anti-conservative manifesto.
-It was liberals who destroyed AM radio towers outside of Seattle.
-It’s liberals who burn down Hummer dealerships.
-It was progressive SEIU union thugs who beat a black conservative man who spoke his mind.
YouTube – African American man beaten by SEIU Union Thugs in St. Louis at townhall protest
-Don’t forget it was Obama’s friend Bill Ayers who used terrorism as a tool for political change. SDS is still radical, with arrests in 2007 and the storming of the CATO Institute in July 2008.
-It was a liberal who was sentenced to two years for bringing bombs and riot shields to the Republican National Convention in 2008.
-It was a liberal who threatened to kill a government informant who infiltrated her Austin-based group that planned to bomb the RNC.
-It was liberals who assaulted police in Berkeley.
-It was liberals who intimidated and threw rocks through the windows of researchers.
-The two Black Panthers who stood outside polls intimidating people with nightsticks were probably not right-wingers.
-Every time the G20 gets together, it’s not conservatives who destroy property and cause chaos.
Now back to the hateful rhetoric:
Sgt. Ed Schutlz calls Republicans bastards. This is pretty tame actually, compared to some of the other shit he’s said.
YouTube – Ed Schultz Calls Republicans Bastards.
“Republicans want you dead”
Air America host Randi Rhodes threatens Bush:
NewsMax.com: Inside Cover Story
Quote:
Comparing Bush and his family to the Corleones of “Godfather” fame, Air America host Randi Rhodes reportedly unleashed this zinger during her Monday night broadcast: “Like Fredo, somebody ought to take him out fishing and phuw. ”
Rhodes then imitated the sound of a gunshot.
In “Godfather II,” Fredo Corleone is executed by brother Michael at the end of the film.
How about the “kill Bush” products sold at Caffe Press?
SFAW
Larry –
You promised two posts. Lying again, I see. On top of the untruths and half-truths from the last one.
Poor baby, did your keyboard throw up, because it got tired of being used for more bullshit?
Poor baby, can’t even screech right.
Poor baby.
Your lies are becoming your hallmark. Good to know.
Poor whiny baby