In an ideal world every Super Bowl would pit Dallas against Indianapolis in a battle for supremacy over Our Republic.
I’ve had a long running discussion with a friend of mine about which team this year, the Pack or Pittsburgh, better represents Real America. On the one hand, the Steelers are owned by an Obama-loving soshulist, on the other, the Pack is community-owned, which is hardly better since all sports teams should be owned by heroic Galtian individuals. Pittsburgh has a lefty mayor, but Green Bay’s mayor is a member of Mayors Against Illegal Guns. The quarterback situation is tricky too: Rodgers is a Berkeley alum and hence a hippie while with Roethlisberger, it’s hard to say if he’s the self-indulgent product of 60s sexual mores or an upstanding victim of feminazi persecution.
Aaron Rodgers sat woozily on the Green Bay Packers’ bench after a hard hit from the Detroit Lions on Dec. 12. Midway through a ghastly loss, with the Packers’ playoff hopes in the balance, the veteran receiver Donald Driver decided that Rodgers, his star quarterback, needed some encouragement.
“I went behind him and told him that this game is just a game,” Driver recalled this week. “Your life is more important than the game.”
[….]“We want people to say the right things whether they believe it or not, because kids are listening,” Fink said. “The Packers have handled this wonderfully. Meanwhile, Hines Ward makes fun of the people trying to protect him.”
Real Americans don’t mind having their bell rung by a blow to the head anymore than they mind getting peppered with a little buck shot. Advantage Steelers.
geg6
Nah, this HUGE LIE shows that the Packers are exactly the sort of team the Teahadists would love. There’s nothing they love more than the Big Lie.
Loneoak
I have been compiling a list of articles to demonstrate the moral superiority of the Packers. This list is long.
But really, Weezy makes my point quite well enough.
This Green Bay, bitch we go hard/This is Packer Country, where’s your green card/Terrible towels/That shits boring.
They call him Big Ben, but he weak tho/We in Dallas, but we Lambeau leap ho.
spavogt
Real Americans don’t mind having their bell rung by a blow to the head anymore than they mind getting peppered with a little buck shot. Advantage Steelers.
Looks like we know who Cheney’ll be rooting for.
JGabriel
mistermix:
I believe Illegal Gun is Conservapedia’s definition of Oxymoron*.
If it’s not, it should be.
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*And, OMG, I just looked up Conservapedia’s defintion of Oxymoron. It doesn’t include illegal gun but it does include:
Eep!
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Yutsano
This shan’t end well. I think I’ll go hide now.
gbear
Rachel Maddow had a great story about why The Packers are still in a small town like Green Bay (sixth story down). The team is managed by a set of rules that make it much less profitable to owners. This would make The Packers the most unamerican team in the history of the world.
matoko_chan
DougJ, ALL football is entirely the pure distilled essence of Americana. Meatpuppets giving each other repeat concussion syndrome in the name of sport.
Where might and body bulk and a double-thick cranium translate to a “win” for Our Side.
That is why real murricans hate soccer.
Because we can’t bully and bulk our way to a win.
wallah, that is murrican foreign policy in a nutshell, too, isnt it?
Punchy
If I were Green Bay, I’d load my sidelines with slutty 18-year old chicks in tight skirts. Next to them, place a large keg labeled “roofies”. Ben’s concentration wont stand a chance.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@JGabriel:
I’m trying to figure out when science didn’t evolve, or when evolution was not part of science. Heck, after Newton’s tests to determine the law of gravity, evolution was probably the one of the first times a scientifically rigorous process was used to come up with the theory.
Donut
Pittsburgh = steel = unions = non-Galtian. Advantage: Green Bay
Go Pack!
Donut
@Loneoak- I know – Donut = Univ of WI alumni = Madisonian from 1989 to 2000.
And don’t forget the paper mills…
Not that anyone should care, but honestly, I will probably cry if my Packers don’t win.
Loneoak
@Donut:
The Packers are named for the meat packing industry, once just as much a union powerhouse as steel.
geg6
Can Cole make the blog go black and gold, kinda like Sully did when he thought Iran was gonna become a democracy? Perhaps it will keep away the insufferable Packers fans? You know, the ones who keep talking about their moral superiority versus the Steelers due to a Steeler being accused of sexual assault but who conveniently forget that a Packer player was accused of the very same thing. Not to mention that they have to steal from the Steelers to come up with a song. Wiz Khalifa made the point first and best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UePtoxDhJSw
:-)
Dork
Not football-related, but tangent-ly sports. This is freakin’ amazing for a 64 year old man.
MikeJ
@Donut: What product does John Galt manufacture in the book?
gbear
@geg6: Can we GB fans use your comment as a definition of the word ‘insufferable’? It would be good to set a baseline.
ppcli
“Real Americans don’t mind… getting peppered with a little buck shot.”
I don’t think this is true. Remember when Cheney’s shooting victim had a press conference to express his regret for all the grief the event was causing….
…..for Cheney?
Punchy
@Donut: From WisCantWin, eh? Pissconsin? Fucky the Badger, right?
Signed,
FIB
MattF
New Yorker magazine (yeah, I know) has a good article on football and head injuries. Relevant here since the soshalist Rooney makes an appearance and explains that concussions are a small price to pay for not having to work in the mill.
JGabriel
Belafon (formerly anonevent):
You are trying to decode Conservapedia by rational means. Such efforts are futile, puny human, like trying to comprehend the multi-dimensional reality of the Great Cthulu’s infinite tentacles with your insufficient sapien brains.
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Mako
>In an ideal world every Super Bowl would pit Dallas against Indianapolis in a battle for supremacy…
When did this change? Cowboys vs small horses? Not Redskins?
But I’m rooting for the Pittsburgh. That play where they just dropped the ball and everyone stood around looking at it was about as awesome as you can get without snapping Theismann’s lower leg bones.
stuckinred
@matoko_chan: Take that weak shit somewhere else grasshopper.
Suffern ACE
Packer fan here and I hate these discussions. I can be objective, though. What really matters is not who wins the game, but that at the end of the day, both teams end up with scores that either end in 2 or that the Steelers have a score that ends in 9 and the Packers have one ending in 7. I stand to win the office pool if either of those things happen.
If the Packers win, I will be happy, but won’t be spending a lot of time trying to make Steelers fans sad if they win. Rubbing faces in it is the American way, it’s just not the way I was raised.
sukabi
good news for all those celebrating the Super Bowl with a bowl of weed… new research indicates that compounds in cannabis are beneficial for hearts and can positively affect heart rhythm and other functions…
Loneoak
@matoko_chan:
You wouldn’t know America if you banged your shin on it in the middle of the night. Which is about as close as your stale and paranoid 1980’s hacker sci-fi ‘analysis’ ever gets to understanding anything.
Yutsano
@stuckinred: That’s an insult to grasshoppers good sir. Their union won’t be pleased.
Donut
@ Punchy – actually, a fellow native Illinoisan, from Carbondale, originally. So I grew up in Southern Illinois a St. Louis Cardinals fan.
I never heard the term “FIB” until I graduated high school and moved to Madison in ’89.
Always hated the Bears, though. :) Grandfathers and dad all life-long Packers fans from Waukegan.
I live in Evanston now.
Oh – and fuck the Bears. Go Pack!
Donut
@ MikeJ – nothing? IIRC Galt is an engineer/inventor.
johnsmith1882
@Mako:
Redskins and Cowboys couldn’t meet in the Super Bowl. That’s unpossible. How about the Eagles (USA! USA!) vs the Bears (Soviet Union booo!!)?
Haha and as soon as I entered that, I realized that’s unpossible too. Eagles and the Patriots for the USA symbol deathmatch?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Sweet Jumpin’ Jesus. I was just starting to get in the mood to watch this Bear-less game, now I see this (via Charles Pierce through Attaturk)
BGinCHI
What would be really great would be to see Ed Rendell mercilessly kick the shit out of Scott Walker.
But you all know the real Superbowl is being played in the morning (our time), right?
Suarez anyone? Andy Carroll debut?
David Richey
Niggling point, but it is birdshot you mean, sir.
If Cheney’s lawyer took a load of buckshot to the face, he’da needed to sez he’s sorry to poor ol’ Dick thru the medium of a spiritualist notta presser.
(Which is prolly just what woulda happent.)
Raoul
You do a disservice to the victim’s of Pitt’s QB sexual assaults.
trollhattan
Aaron Rogers and Sierra Nevada beer–both from Chico, CA.
That would be enough for me, ignoring my Steeler antipathy going back to Bradshaw, Harris, Greene, et al.
Pack(c) baby.
Violet
I thought Real America was represented by baseball.
DougJ®
@Raoul:
I mean to satirize the awfulness of callous responses here.
Donut
@Violet – apparently you’ve read one too many George Will columns…
No One of Consequence
Flying figs and who gives them?
Feh.
Bread and circuses.
Cliff
@sukabi:
Well, add it to the list …
“Granny’s list” contains 100s of studies about cannabis and how it can heal:
https://www.greenpassion.org/index.php?/topic/26942-grannys-mmj-list-january-2011/
here is the heart section:
https://www.greenpassion.org/index.php?/topic/26942-grannys-mmj-list-january-2011/page__view__findpost__p__351411
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
@matoko_chan:
Funny…I seem to remember Argentina winning the World Cup a couple of times in just that manner.
Violet
@Donut:
No, I’ve heard of too many George Will columns. Big difference.
I don’t really care who wins. I’ll try to watch it, but it’s going to be a busy day otherwise with a family member returning home after a long absence so I’ll have other priorities.
Jager
@johnsmith1882:
Patriots already won that death match against the Eagles, 24-21
Alison
@BGinCHI: Oh, I know it! Torres says he won’t celebrate if he scores. We shall see…
Also, I don’t care about America’s team, Newcastle represents me right now. What a frigging comeback. Yeah, a comeback for only a point, but still…fanfriggintastico.
Davis X. Machina
@Alison: Couldn’t happen to a nicer
checkbookbunch of guys, either.It’s hard to root for anybody in the EPL, really, except maybe Blackpool, or Wigan.
Oh, and go Seagulls!
Tom Levenson
Easy. Born and raised in Berkeley (maternity ward, Alta Bates Hospital, between the Elmwood and Telegraph Ave., since you asked). Go Golden Bears…hence the Pack.
Plus, Between Oakland Raider roots and Patsies domiciling now, the Steelers? Unpossible.
Mark S.
National Review can usually be counted on for some article about how principled conservatives are cheering for Team A over Team B but they are in full lockdown Reagan slobbering.
Who would Oakeshott cheer for? Would Burke take the Steelers with the points? NRO has let me down.
Alison
@Davis X. Machina: Newcastle isn’t exactly one of the high rollers, and right now we’re actually having to think about tapping the free transfers just to get by what with losing our star and having like 6 people out injured. Getting four goals today was a shock, what with basically having no strikers.
I don’t like the idea that it’s only okay to root for low teams. It doesn’t make you a better person.
Jager
@trollhattan:
My good friend Chuckie from “Picksburg” told me Iron City Light is just Iron City Beer with the pollutants removed.
JGabriel
@Mark S.:
Who? Ree … ray … rr-r-reeg … Nope, I give up. For some reason, I just can’t pronounce that name.
Who was he?
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Mark S.
@JGabriel:
Oh, you’ll find out Sunday, right before the game.
Auguste
I hope for Davis X. Machina’s sake B&HA don’t get promoted to the Championship. What a dilemma that will start to be.
GregB
Speaking of games.
What to think of this latest from the US envoy speaking of Egypt
“Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak must stay in power for the time being to steer changes needed for political transition, U.S. President Barack Obama’s special envoy for Egypt said on Saturday.
“We need to get a national consensus around the pre-conditions for the next step forward. The president must stay in office to steer those changes,” Frank Wisner told the Munich Security Conference.?
Long live Mubarak!
Yutsano
@Tom Levenson: Labor & Delivery Ward, Tripler Army Medical Center, Honolulu, Hawai’i. Oh wait, that wasn’t your point. Never mind.
spleerp
I will pull for the team that has a QB whose goon-squad kept people from getting thru the door while he was bangin’ some helpless chick in a bathroom stall. His pattern of behavior makes him clearly the best option for my support. from story at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/15/ben-roethlisbergers-bodyg_n_498912.html “She tells WTAE Pittsburgh that he “bought a round of shots for girls and said, ‘All you bitches, take my shots.'” The article reports that Roethlisberger “hit on her but she wasn’t interested and didn’t like the way he was acting, so she left.”
Suffern ACE
@GregB: Blech. So I’m guessing the oligarchy hasn’t decided who should be in charge….national consensus, my ass. Since when has that become necessary to do anything.
burnspbesq
@matoko_chan:
Fuck you. You’re probably a Chelsea fan.
jerry 101
@gbear: As shocking and weird as this may be to admit, the main reason why the Packers are still in Green Bay is, in large part, because of the Bears or, more specifically, George S. Halas (the Greatest Coach in the History of Football).
WHAT?! you may be asking. The Bears and the Packers hate each other with a passion that makes the Yankees-Red Sox rivalry look like the rivalry between the Washington Nationals and the Baltimore Orioles!
But, its true. Back in the 50’s, the good people of Green Bay were trying to decide whether or not to approve a bond referendum to build a new stadium.
George S. Halas went to Green Bay to campaign in favor of the referendum. He beseeched the good people of Green Bay to keep their team (the NFL was going to force the Packers to move to Milwaukee if they didn’t build a new Stadium). His efforts helped push through the bond referendum, and that ugly monstrosity known as Lambeau Field was built.
A lesser told story of the Packers. I recently read of this atrocious act by our Lord In Heaven, George S. Halas, in the Chicago Tribune. I don’t have a link handy, but its all true (unless the Trib lies, which it does sometimes, but usually not about simple sports stories).
Supposedly, Halas’ motivation was his desire to ensure the rivalry remained in place (can’t imagine that it would suddenly die if the Packers moved to Milwaukee full time – they already played part time in Milwaukee) and to repay the Packer’s franchise for saving the Bears during the Depression. Back before the Packers were a so-shulist team, the Bears were struggling to make payroll, and the NFL refused to help. The owner of the Packers back then floated Halas a loan, and allowed the Bears to make payroll. As a result, the Bears survived.
And, the story also says that the High and Mighty Lord of All that is Great Football was responsible for a second apostasy in the land of green cheese. Twas Halas who recommended that the Packers hire…Vince Lombardi.
Oops… Found a link
http://www.latimes.com/sports/ct-spt-0119-haugh-george-mccaskey-bea20110118,0,785304.story
BGinCHI
@Alison: El Nino needn’t worry about that, as he won’t have the chance.
Hard to be a Newcastle fan. I do miss Shearer though.
BGinCHI
@Davis X. Machina: Oh, I like Bristol, actually. Great town but kind of shite football.
Svensker
@GregB:
Lovely, ain’t it? Egypt’s 80M people vs US geopolitical security? Fuck the Egyptians.
burnspbesq
@Alison:
Meanwhile, my boys have invaded the automatic promotion places, and unless Swansea beats Cardiff tomorrow we stay in second. We have QPR and Cardiff in the next two weeks, and if we can manage to win both of those we are in the driver’s seat.
Forest going up hell yeah!
Davis X. Machina
@Auguste: Brighton’ve been relegated within two seasons, every time it’s happened in my fan-lifetime. Storm the table, and spend the next year chasing 49 or whatever points and safety.
It’s like being a Red Sox fan, back in the old days, with the whole stadium saga thrown in as lagniappe.
In fact, if they do get promoted, and open their spanking-new 20,000 seater in the Championship only to go down again, the gods’ laughter will be audible far, far from Olympus.
Mortals, do not presume….
Yutsano
@BGinCHI: Honestly? If that whole idiotic Palin name trademark things goes through the town of Bristol should sue since they had it first.
Davis X. Machina
@burnspbesq:
Euw. I mean, there are things one just does not do.
jerry 101
By the way, the packers represent all that is evil and unholy in the universe.
Though I don’t get warm fuzzies from the Stillers, the packers are vile monstrositities, and we should all root for their utter destruction and demise from this hallowed land.
Of course, the super bowl is being played in dallas, and dallas is second only to green bay as far as black, vile, horrifying, tainted, black and evil lands go. So, the packers are really on their home turf. Both green bay and dallas have direct superhighways to hell after all.
BGinCHI
@burnspbesq: Cardiff will handle Swansea, my friend.
Throw me some frequent flyer miles and I’ll happily go to the NF-Cardiff match. I know some good Cardiff pubs.
burnspbesq
At least there will be one football game worth watching tomorrow: Liverpool-Chelsea.
ppcli
@Alison:
And what about those Wolves eh? Five more minutes and stoppage time to end Man U.s undefeated run.
BGinCHI
@Yutsano: Dude, I totally did not see that coming.
Funny though. Bristol would cringe if it cared.
Alison
@burnspbesq: Yeah, it looks likely, and very cool. Good luck to them :)
burnspbesq
@BGinCHI:
Yes, but if you get drunk in Cardiff, how will you make it to Fortress City Ground (34 in a row unbeaten at home) for the match.
Alison
@ppcli: Shh, my friend is watching this in horror right now.
5 minutes of Fergie time!
Davis X. Machina
@ppcli: I went long on Crawley in the Cup. ManUre will be coming in flat after this game.
BGinCHI
@burnspbesq: I can hotwire a car, but you’ll have to drive.
Forget it. I’ll call Rahm. He’ll know what to do.
Yutsano
@burnspbesq: My dear sir, what else are football hooligans good for if not to carry their mates to the match?
Auguste
@ppcli: And all it took was an entire half of ugly soccer.
ETA: And just think: The win here will…keep them right there at the bottom of the table!
Ron
Bah. Both teams are worth admiring, but in the end… Go Steelers!
BGinCHI
@Yutsano: He’s not heavy, he’s my Balloon Juice brother.
burnspbesq
Only one week until the beginning of college lacrosse. Move thy ass, calendar!
Yutsano
@BGinCHI: And a pint afterwards to either celebrate or help wash the sting away, depending upon the final result.
@burnspbesq: I’m right there with thee, but I just want it to move faster to earn enough leave to take dead cycle off next year. Talk about a fucking worthless time.
burnspbesq
Game over: Wolves 2-1 ManU
burnspbesq
There’s a seven-point gap between Spurs and Sunderland. It’s pretty much a five-team race for the rest of the season, unless Spurs or Chelsea go in the tank or Sunderland or Liverpool get red hot.
ppcli
Tweet-tweet-tweet. Wolves show why the park a bus in front of the goal strategy will never go out of style.
Quite a weekend of soccer, and we haven’t even had Chelsea-Liverpool yet.
Alison
@ppcli: 41 goals in 8 games today! And yeah, two games tomorrow including the big ‘un…wonder where the total will end up.
handy
Niners fan, so I have no rooting interest, just hope it’s a good game. Also, too.
JGabriel
@Mark S.:
Game? What game?
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robertdsc-PowerBook
But Green Bay has nothing on Terrible Tunches.
The Commenter on BJ formerly known as arguingwithsignposts
Ladies and Gentlemen, your Super Bowl snack of choice has been found.
eemom
the Redskins won a superbowl once. Or maybe twice.
ETA: their owner is suing a newspaper or something.
Davis X. Machina
@ppcli: Liverpool never win at Stamford Bridge. They just don’t. Once a decade. And Xavi Alonzo’s gone. Liverpool’s been depressing, period, for a while now. Dudek’s miracle save in Istanbul seems like 20 years ago….
Amir_Khalid
@ppcli: It was the Wolves-ManU match, not the reverse fixture at Old Trafford. Wolves were the home team. Strictly speaking, “parking the bus in front of goal” is a visiting team’s strategy. It is they, not the home team, who have to show up in a bus, you see.
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
@robertdsc-PowerBook:
Sure…Because know Green Bay fan would possibly name a fat pet after former packer DL (and DL coach, the DC) Dave “Hawg” Hanner. I mean, in the history of sports no single fan could have possibly named an animal for a favorite player until a certain blogging West Virginian did so.
ppcli
@Amir_Khalid:
Aha. Didn’t know that. Though, were I the coach of Wolves, I would make sure that I had a bus parked behind Molyneux just for occasions like this.
Omnes Omnibus
@Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again): No fat animal has ever been named Gilbert, right?
Svensker
@The Commenter on BJ formerly known as arguingwithsignposts:
Now that’s my kinda snack. With lotsa mustahd.
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
@Omnes Omnibus:
Oh, my, never! Us Packers fans just aren’t that creative, are we?
nestor
I have to side with my Ohio Lite/Pennsyltucky tribe.
Besides, Green Bay is getting a little too big for their britches.
Dave
Pittsburgh became Most American at the attempted assassination of Henry Clay Frick.
Davis X. Machina
@Dave:
A well-intentioned failure. The Pittsburgh tradition of futile but heartfelt half-assery (Pirates, except occasionally, Steelers, until recently, Penguins more often than not) can be traced directly to this, the Pittsburgh ur–botch job.
KG
@jerry 101:
Loneoak
I just may name my new puppeh BJ Raji. Looks like he’ll be the right size. If he proves to have the dance moves and the hands of a cornerback, I will do it. Web if my wife calls him something else.
Loneoak
FYautocorrect: that should be “even if my wife calls him something else.”
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
@Loneoak:
I was going to name my penis B.J. Raji, because it gets good penetration and is the ultimate 2-gap player…
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
Okay, if that comment gets out of moderation someone behind the scenes has a sense of humor…Whether a good or bad sense of humor is subjective.
Dave
@Davis X. Machina: Your account of the local effects of the botched job are impressive. Thinking globally, contemporary America suffers generally from the failure of The Left to assassinate plutocrats in the first few decades of the 20th C. Alas.
Redshift
@eemom: Everyone already hates him, so I suppose he doesn’t have to worry about making it worse. I happened to see one of the local newscasts this afternoon, and the sportscaster offered to debate Snyder for an entire half-hour newscast about whether there was anything wrong with City Paper’s mocking of him.
Also mentioned that Snyder pulled a maneuver worthy of a Republican candidate yesterday, claiming the paper attacked his wife in a play for sympathy, when the article actually says nothing about his wife.
NobodySpecial
The only true thing to root for is a meteor strike. Not only would it take care of two of the NFL teams with the most obnoxious fanbases in America, it would also demolish Jerry’s shiny new playhouse at the same time.
Ash Can
@The Commenter on BJ formerly known as arguingwithsignposts: That looks great!
Cacti
The Steelers are real ‘Murica cause ‘Muricans love a winner and Pittsburgh has the most championships of any team*.
*If, of course, you ignore every NFL championship game played from 1933-1965.
Davis X. Machina
@Dave: It’s a start.
As you bend the twig, so grows the tree. And les aristos a a la lanterne.
Polar Bear Squares
Hard not to like the Steelers owner. And Mike Tomlin. I have a lot of respect for both.
Same with A Rod. He handled the Favre debacle with a lot of class.
maus
@spleerp: Yeah, that dude is real murkuh to a T.
Morbo
Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission
Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite
All of which are American dreams
…
Advantage Steelers.
agrippa
Neither team ‘represents’ America. It is, merely, football, a version of entertainment.
Mark C
Even though I wasn’t born in Denmark, I’ve made it through 50-odd years with never having watched any football game, much less the Super Bowl. Watching 300 lb steroid pustuals give each other brain injuries holds little interest. I find the specter of a League, a Team, a TV Network, various Sponsors and of course the Fans, supporting an event headed up by a vile odious sexual predator really disturbing.
JGabriel
Mark C:
Ditto, but only mid-40’s. I’ve seen parts of games, of course, but never sat through one in its entirety.
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4jkb4ia
Steelers, because Vince Lombardi was a Nazi. My mom said so.
Or, we can edit this and quote from “99 Reasons Why Baseball Is Better Than Football”– “Vince Lombardi was never ashamed that he said, “Winning isn’t everything. It’s the only thing.”” I remember from the publicity for the play that Lombardi was a lifelong Democrat, which is something.
JWL
Off topic, but in the ballpark: I’m a native San Franciscan. The city has undergone a great deal of change during my lifetime. Most notably, perhaps, was its role in the history of gay liberation. Although it remains on the receiving end of a lot of jokes even today (many of them well deserved), there aren’t nearly as many gratuitous insults hurled as there was 30 years ago. The passage of time accounts for most of it; people die off, and new generations tend to wise up about certain things.
Still, I think the Niners spectacular 20 year run (5 rings, mucho playoff appearances) played a part with America’s meat-and-potatoes crowd in altering perceptions, and in their gradual realization that San Francisco isn’t all that weird. Sports provide an interesting insight into our society, and at times there’s hope to be gleaned. Just think what changes Jackie Robinson effected simply by playing baseball.
4jkb4ia
And from what I can see from the playlist of DC 101, it does not represent “the state of rock and roll” as much as the very narrow idea of what the modern rock format is. Das Punkt, as Randall Roberts used to call them, has been playing that kind of thing for years and it had no impact outside of that sprucely maintained corner. Also, too.
(No way John would know this since he has not been getting Billboard in print for a hundred years)
4jkb4ia
Jeebus. No Tunch pictures tomorrow.
4jkb4ia
@4jkb4ia:
Never mind.
Martin
Steelers:Corporate, Packers:Soçialist
Clearly Steelers are more American, but I have to cheer for the publicly owned team.
Pug
Aaron Rodgers is from Berkeley (and so is Desmond Bishop). That settles it for me.
Go Bears! (and I don’t mean Chicago).
honus
@gbear: Green bay is 250,000 people, about 70 miles from their Milwaukee fan base, a city of 700,000. Pittsburgh is 300,000 people, with no other large city near by. This Green bay small town bullshit is just that.