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You are here: Home / Economics / Free Markets Solve Everything / The fight spreads

The fight spreads

by DougJ|  February 21, 20114:29 pm| 160 Comments

This post is in: Free Markets Solve Everything, Fuck The Middle-Class, The Math Demands It

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It’s not just Wisconsin:

Wisconsin remains the main battleground for the broader assault on worker’s rights. But elsewhere in the Big Ten states and across the country, these battles have moved forward. In Ohio, Gov. John Kasich is pushing pretty much the exact same bill as Scott Walker in Wisconsin. Known as SB 5, the bill would strip collective bargaining rights from Ohio public employees. SB 5 is a piece of legislation, so Kasich isn’t trying to implement this under the cover of a budget bill. However, he has said that if he doesn’t get what he wants out of SB 5, he will put those items into the next budget bill. Alternatively, this could go to the ballot. So SB 5 won’t be the last showdown. The Governor, aping Scott Walker, claims this is a fiscal issue, but nobody can explain how much money SB 5 would save.

Use the thread to describe what’s going on near you if anything is. This is a nationwide battle.

Update. In the meantime, if you haven’t give to the Democrats in the Wisconsin State Senate, now’s a good time.

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  1. 1.

    You Don't Say

    February 21, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    I just got back from rally at Nevada Legislature in Carson City. About 150-200 people, I think. Union speakers and a couple legislators. Believe there was a similar rally in Las Vegas. There are three bills proposed in this year’s session to curtail/end collective bargaining and resolution to end the minimum wage.

  2. 2.

    BGinCHI

    February 21, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    The American people (especially the old, white ones) have come to expect and depend on a society that works for them. The bait and switch here is that they have been convinced by right wing capitalists that this has no costs and its maintenance does not include them.

    So people are now being urged by Fox, the msm, and corporate money to disinvest in the collective good.

    They truly believe that they will still be entitled to all the benefits of an American free and open society even if they go along with this.

    What could possibly go wrong.

  3. 3.

    DougJ®

    February 21, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    @You Don’t Say:

    Thanks!

  4. 4.

    Trentrunner

    February 21, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    This is not the most important issue here, but:

    These midwest states are all key battleground states for 2012, so it will be interesting to watch Obama handle this.

    Right now, after an initial comment over a week ago about the “assault on unions,” he’s been pretty quiet. Too quiet.

  5. 5.

    Parallel 5ths (Jewish Steel)

    February 21, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    I’ve been wondering if had Green Party candidate Bill Brady prevailed here in Illinois would we be seeing the same battle in Springfield? My guess is no given the size and power of Chicago as union and democratic stronghold.

  6. 6.

    John PM

    February 21, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    If I may be snarky for a moment..

    Will you be changing the color of your blog to red (Wisconsin Badgers) or yellow (Cheddar)?

  7. 7.

    Spaghetti Lee

    February 21, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    Does that act Blue page just go to the wisconsin senate dems in general?

  8. 8.

    Nicole

    February 21, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    I found this sermon, which seems to be the origin of the original, frequently misquoted and mis-attributed “When Fascism comes to America” line.

    http://shii.org/mediawiki/images/1/1f/Fascism.png

    My brother read it to his wife, not telling her when it was given (1938), and she thought it was a contemporary piece.

    La plus ça change…

  9. 9.

    Cronin

    February 21, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    Was in Madison for two days, stuck back in Chicago due to stupid employment. Anyone know if there’s anything going on here, even if it’s just a solidarity rally or the like? Earliest I could get back to Madison would be Thursday, and I’m hoping they will have backed down by then (fat chance, I know)

  10. 10.

    DougJ®

    February 21, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    @Spaghetti Lee:

    Yes, I think so. I don’t know how to set these up so I’m using Atrios’ ActBlue page.

  11. 11.

    Chuck Butcher

    February 21, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    I long ago gave up on the collective sense of the electorate unless something was absolutely jammed into its face. The simple fact that analysis and active legislating can head off the stuff that does get jammed into its face never occurs to it…

    “Day late and dollar short?”

  12. 12.

    Mr. Long From

    February 21, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Some committee in the Indiana House is pushing through a “right to work” (who knew they had that kind of ironic sensibility?) mess that is being protested by the remaining 14 union members in the state.

    By the way, Indiana’s glorious GOP is going to push the Tea Party goober to beat Richard Lugar in the primary — Richard Lugar! the possibly one remaining slightly-not-so-dumb-and-evil Republican in the entire senate with a half a million years of seniority for some guy too stoopid to be Dan Quayle.

  13. 13.

    jwb

    February 21, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    @Trentrunner: I don’t think Obama has been too quiet at all. It’s a delicate task, because this works best if it rises legitimately from below. The more Obama says about it, the more it becomes about him, which is exactly what this movement doesn’t need. This movement, if it is to succeed, needs to be about us, that is, We, the People. I think he recognizes this, and so he stands out of the way.

  14. 14.

    Stooleo

    February 21, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    More sneaky shit in WI budget bill.

    Wisconsin’s union employees are upset about a loss of collective bargaining and a mandated increase in benefit payments, including for health insurance. But at least these employees would still have health insurance. What has been widely ignored about Walker’s bill (in part because of the speed with which he’s fisting it down Wisconsin’s gullet) is a sneaky provision that paves the way for him to cut, or eliminate, Medicaid and BadgerCare healthcare benefits for low-income people.

  15. 15.

    geg6

    February 21, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    Lots of talk here in PA. Corbett is expected to propose similar legislation and the GOPer legislature will be thrilled to pass it.

    The unions are already talking organization for the expected demonstrations.

  16. 16.

    MikeJ

    February 21, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    @jwb: Come on, don’t deny us another way to say OBAMA SOLD US OUT HE’S WORSE THAN BUSH OMGWTFBBQ!

  17. 17.

    Spaghetti Lee

    February 21, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    I should be better informed about this. I’m in Missouri, and I know they don’t have guaranteed collective bargaining. Also, I have no transportation whatsoever, so I don’t even know how I’d get out to a protest in St. Louis or KC.

  18. 18.

    Capri

    February 21, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    Indiana is dealing with the same thing. I know redder than red folks who are PISSED AS HELL that Daniels is trying to de-fund schools. Of course, there’s always the graft that goes hand in hand with this sort of thing. In this case it’s sending money to his pals who behind school vouchers.

  19. 19.

    PurpleGirl

    February 21, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    Via Democrats.com, there is a rally tomorrow afternoon at 5 p.m. outside of Fox News on 6th Avenue. That’s the time of the Glenn Beck show.

    WHEN
    February 22, 2011 at 5:00 PM

    WHERE
    FOX News
    1211 6th Ave
    New York, NY 10036

    Further information is here:

    http://jobparty.us/cheesehead_rally_nyc_2

  20. 20.

    Moses2317

    February 21, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Here is a list of rallies and other ways you can show your support throughout the country this week. If you know of any other rallies, please let us know and we’ll add them to the list.

    http://www.winningprogressive.org/attend-a-solidarity-rally-to-support-public-employees-and-their-unions

  21. 21.

    John Cole

    February 21, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Sullivan, meanwhile, can’t for the life of him figure out why Wisconsin is getting national attention.

    And Charles Lane is a sociopath. A union without collective bargaining isn’t a union, it’s a social club. He can’t possibly be that god damned stupid.

  22. 22.

    Nicole

    February 21, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    @PurpleGirl: Thanks, PurpleGirl. I think the baby and I now have an afternoon excursion…

  23. 23.

    JPL

    February 21, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    @PurpleGirl: Wish I could be there. I’d even be willing to buy a chalkboard.

  24. 24.

    Trentrunner

    February 21, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    That sounds like Obama’s approach to Egypt.

    This is the U.S. He is the President of the U.S. Unions are a pillar of both democracy and Democracy. Ground-up is good, and we’re there, but at some point he’s got to bring that bullhorn in and make a stand.

    Which he will never, ever do.

  25. 25.

    HyperIon

    February 21, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    @jwb:

    and so he stands out of the way

    exactly what *i* expect from a leader!

  26. 26.

    quintillian

    February 21, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    … here’s some noise in Boise, where the state superintendent of schools has offered an incredibly bad plan that, usnsurprisingly, privileges his campaign supporters …

  27. 27.

    Corner Stone

    February 21, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    @HyperIon: Don’t play into jwb’s game. Or if you do, expect to be called a tool and a firebagger conspirator.
    Or something.

  28. 28.

    Superluminar

    February 21, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    John Cole @20
    It’s an interesting question as regards Wisconsin: are a handful of overwrought protestors really comparable to the game changing revolutions taking place in the Middle East? The Wisconsinistas are fighting to supress workplace freedom, the Tripoli protesters to expand it and share in free markets for all of us. I can’t believe you call yourselves “progressives”.

  29. 29.

    You Don't Say

    February 21, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    @DougJ®: Sure. Here’s a very brief story about the rallies.

    And here’s the Twitter feed from an RGJ reporter with a couple photos.

  30. 30.

    Roger Moore

    February 21, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    @Superluminar:
    We need a better grade of troll around here.

  31. 31.

    Comrade Mary

    February 21, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    @Superluminar: Go fuck yourself up the ass with those tired talking points.

    (That said: another post on Libya wouldn’t hurt. Gaddafi is scheduled to speak soon, a fatwa has been issued for his death, and things are moving really fucking fast. AJE live.)

  32. 32.

    Spaghetti Lee

    February 21, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    are a handful of overwrought protestors really comparable to the game changing revolutions taking place in the Middle East?

    Probably not, but why are you talking about the Tea Party?

  33. 33.

    Sir Nose'D

    February 21, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Dayton, Ohio. About 1000 people showed up for a rally in the rain (temp about 35F) outside of state senator Peggy Lehner (R-Kettering)’s town hall meeting to protest her support of Senate Bill 5 (the one that bans collective bargaining).

    Stay tuned for tomorrow’s rally and Wednesday’s rally in Columbus.

    Governor Kasich was reported as saying “Fuck you Americans!” while simulating doggy-style sex, but that could not be confirmed at press time.

  34. 34.

    agrippa

    February 21, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    It is far too early for Obama to come in. I think that he needs to wait for now. His time will come.

  35. 35.

    JPL

    February 21, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    @Roger Moore: No shit…That’s not Doug for sure. I’m not sure some know what rights we afforded as American citizens. It’s amazing that trolls don’t do comparative analysis with other industrialized nations.
    You know what country doesn’t have kindergarten…Somalia.

  36. 36.

    General Stuck

    February 21, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    This wouldn’t be happening if Obama was more liberal.

  37. 37.

    Corner Stone

    February 21, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    @Sir Nose’D:

    Governor Kasich was reported as saying “Fuck you Americans!” while simulating doggy-style sex, but that could not be confirmed at press time.

    Did he slap his open palms against his hips, or did he simulate holding onto a ponytail with one hand while slappin’ dat ass with the other?

  38. 38.

    jwb

    February 21, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    @Roger Moore: Corner Stone is back, so there’s that.

  39. 39.

    Corner Stone

    February 21, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    @General Stuck: You should’ve said “liberally used the bully pulpit”.

  40. 40.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    February 21, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    I’m just worried this thing could spread and Muslims could end up taking over Wisconsin and Ohio like they did Michigan.

  41. 41.

    Corner Stone

    February 21, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    @jwb: C’mon amigo. You’ve been working a no tread having old tire routine against Zifnab all day.
    It’s like throwing a hot dog wiener down a bowling alley.
    h/t Stewie

  42. 42.

    General Stuck

    February 21, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    @Corner Stone: ‘

    I should have said corner stone is a soul dead wanker, but will correct that oversight.

  43. 43.

    Corner Stone

    February 21, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: What color will the Ellison Revolution be?

  44. 44.

    You Don't Say

    February 21, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    I’m curious why some recognizable SAG members aren’t speaking out.

  45. 45.

    WyldPirate

    February 21, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    @Trentrunner:

    Right now, after an initial comment over a week ago about the “assault on unions,” he’s been pretty quiet. Too quiet.

    That’s because he has his finger in the wind. He can’t do what is right; just what is most politically expedient.

  46. 46.

    Corner Stone

    February 21, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    @Corner Stone: Wait, wait. I got it.
    Black, right?

  47. 47.

    Martin

    February 21, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Going on near us, we voted damn near every Republican out of office. Next year’s budget is going to suck – hard – but it’ll be a fuckton more honest of a budget than we ever had under a GOP governor, and while the unions aren’t going to be happy with the outcome, nobody is looking to eliminate the unions.

  48. 48.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    February 21, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    @PurpleGirl: They oughta protest outside of NBC.

  49. 49.

    Cris

    February 21, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: If only Wisconsin had passed that resolution against Sharia law when they had the chance.

  50. 50.

    General Stuck

    February 21, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Yet another good thread on right wing bullshit hijacked by Obama bashing firebaggers. Why don’t you all just come clean and join the tea tards of the right. That way, both sides of the same coin can be in one place at a time.

  51. 51.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    February 21, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    Poor Stuck, desperately trying to keep order in the middle of a comment revolution..

  52. 52.

    JPL

    February 21, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    The President can give a speech on education and the value that teachers have provided over the years.
    Right wing radio started talking about teachers being government workers that work for us years ago. (My view is that my sons use to work for the teachers.) She/he was their boss and they had a chance to prove themselves. The responsibility was on them. It’s going to take time to undo the damage that the whackos have caused in this country.

    EDIT…I do not mean to suggest that the President get involved in the WI teachers rallies. I think in general he can give a speech on public education and the value to our country.

  53. 53.

    Rick Massimo

    February 21, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    The Governor, aping Scott Walker, claims this is a fiscal issue, but nobody can explain how much money SB 5 would save.

    “It’s a fiscal issue! I don’t know HOW much we’d save, but the important thing is to screw working people over first! We can figure out the numbers later!”

  54. 54.

    Left Coast Tom

    February 21, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    @Martin: Yeah, you just beat me to that by a minute or so…I’ll give at the offered link, and it’s a very important battle, but we’d all have been better off if the Big Ten Voters hadn’t allowed this battle in the first place.

  55. 55.

    General Stuck

    February 21, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    Poor fuckhead, can’t recognize me calling him the best friend of the right wing.

  56. 56.

    jwb

    February 21, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    @Corner Stone: Whatever.

  57. 57.

    wheaton pat

    February 21, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    The State of Wisconsin’s retirement system is the 9 th largest in the world.
    I suggest that the employees take over the investment end of the plan. Stop buying state of Wisconsin Bonds and bonds from any municipality that does not support the collective bargaining rights of workers.
    Maybe even if Obama doesn’t come out in favor of the strikers then stop buying T Bills.
    Tell the corporations that they own securities in that their support is needed or there bonds and equities get dumped on the market.
    Fight the bastards

  58. 58.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    February 21, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    @General Stuck:

    Poor fuckhead, can’t recognize me calling him the best friend of the right wing.

    I wouldn’t characterize me as your best friend but if it makes you feel better about your awful lot in life, I’m here for ya rightwinger.

  59. 59.

    Corner Stone

    February 21, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    @jwb: That would’ve hurt more if you’d just said “wevs”.

  60. 60.

    Maude

    February 21, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    @General Stuck:
    It’s all Obama’s fault.
    What ever happened to the notion that the Feds are different than the staties? Walker is a govenor of a state and Obama is the president of all the states.
    The protests are in WI. It is the govenor trying to stick a shiv in the backs of the union workers. How is Obama supposed to help with this? I don’t get it. Am I missing something or is it what I said in the first sentence.?

  61. 61.

    jwb

    February 21, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    @General Stuck: There are no coincidences. The firebagging brigade, which had been absent for weeks, shows up just as the right wing accuses Obama of orchestrating the Wisconsin protests. Classic pincer action. The only question is whether they are tools or knowing tools.

  62. 62.

    Corner Stone

    February 21, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    @General Stuck: I know you’re incapable of it, but some people recognize that to the 50 mark in this thread there may be *may be* 4 comments that aren’t absolutely pro Obama, and possibly tilted into President Obama is wishy washy territory.
    That’s about 8%.

  63. 63.

    WyldPirate

    February 21, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    @General Stuck:

    C’mon, stuck. Just Some Fuckhead is an equal opportunity jokester. He’ll say just about anything irrespective of the political leaning of the butt of his jokes to get a laugh.

  64. 64.

    Commenting at Ballon Juice since 1937

    February 21, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    The Koch’s are getting some return on their investment. Hopefully this story gets through to middle America somehow.

  65. 65.

    jwb

    February 21, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    @Corner Stone: Weak tea.

  66. 66.

    cat48

    February 21, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    @Trentrunner:

    He called this bill “an assault on Unions” He said public employees should not be villified….that’s enough really. He’s everybody’s president, but the WH staff is echoing him:

    MR. CARNEY: I want to make clear that — something about what — the President’s comments in the radio — the television interview he gave the other day. There are two points he made. One is that he is very understanding of the need for state governments, governors, state legislatures to reduce spending, to be — to make tough choices, to be fiscally responsible. He’s doing that at the federal level and he understands that states need to do that at the state level.
    But he also feels very strongly that we need not to make this an assault on the collective bargaining rights of workers in a given state. Public service workers need to make sacrifices just like everyone else, but there’s a distinction here that he sees. And I just want to make sure that people see that he was very clear about his recognition that states need to deal with their budgets just like the federal government needs to deal with its budget.

  67. 67.

    Left Coast Tom

    February 21, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    @WyldPirate: …or even if he doesn’t get a laugh, apparently.

  68. 68.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    February 21, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    @Corner Stone: I didn’t read the thread. Who are the firebaggers?

  69. 69.

    Restrung

    February 21, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    MN Capitol in St Paul, Tuesday, 4pm.
    I’ll have to take the bus, because nobody plows our alley.

  70. 70.

    General Stuck

    February 21, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    I know you’re incapable of it, but some people recognize that to the 50 mark in this thread there may be may be 4 comments that aren’t absolutely pro Obama, and possibly tilted into President Obama is wishy washy territory.
    That’s about 8%.

    The actual blog post and Nearly all the comments don’t even mention Obama, but in your pea brain that means pro Obama I guess. The rest are usual suspect firebaggers bashing Obama in a thread not about him that can be found in several other threads today as well. The remainder is me calling you an idiot.

  71. 71.

    WyldPirate

    February 21, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    @JPL:

    EDIT…I do not mean to suggest that the President get involved in the WI teachers rallies. I think in general he can give a speech on public education and the value to our country.

    Why can’t Obama get involved in the WI teacher rallies? Hell, morzer was wanting him to call out the Marines to set those ragheads in the Middle East straight with their revolution.

    Surely you aren’t suggesting that a bunch of mere teachers are smart enough to advocate for themselves.

    Now if those teachers were to stage a complete wildcat strike, then all bets are off. Obama should call out the ready Brigade of the 82d to gun those striking babysitters teachers down. That will win him some bipartisan votes in those swing states. Hell, Obama might even get Michelle Bachman’s endorsement then.

  72. 72.

    Cris

    February 21, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: Who are the firebaggers?

    Who is John Galt?

  73. 73.

    quintillian

    February 21, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    teachers fighting to keep collective bargaining rights …
    … in ohio
    … in tennessee
    … in idaho, indiana, wisconsin

  74. 74.

    Cris

    February 21, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    @WyldPirate: Why can’t Obama get involved in the WI teacher rallies?

    Because ACORN has been defunded

  75. 75.

    cat48

    February 21, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    This Editorial has the rest of his plans for Wisconsin:

    Combined with proposals to require voters to show identification, end election-day voter registration and redraw legislative boundaries, Wisconsin Republicans could solidify their power if the anti-union bill passes, said David Canon, a University of Wisconsin-Madison political scientist.
    Arguably more important than their spending is union-organized volunteer work manning phone banks to help Democrats, going door-to-door to get voters out and mobilizing their members to vote, he said.
    “It adds up to something that would fundamentally shift the nature of partisan politics in Wisconsin for a decade, whether or not they intended to or not,” he said. “The stakes are very high. Everyone is viewing this as a test case for the nation.”

  76. 76.

    General Stuck

    February 21, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    I wouldn’t characterize me as your best friend but if it makes you feel better about your awful lot in life, I’m here for ya rightwinger.

    Your usual impressive, I’m rubber you’re glue response. Sometimes Balloon Juice seems like permanent Kindergarten.

  77. 77.

    Corner Stone

    February 21, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: You’re going to have to ask jwb.
    He’s the keeper of the flame.
    Stuck is just his Purity Sheriff.
    Anything less than 100% comment nirvana draws their ire.

  78. 78.

    BGinCHI

    February 21, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Wow. Best single-coverage guy in the league and champion of public employee unions.

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/star-packer-charles-woodson-supports-wisconsin-workers.php?ref=fpblg

  79. 79.

    Southern Beale

    February 21, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    In Tennessee there is legislation to outlaw collective bargaining by teachers as well.

  80. 80.

    WyldPirate

    February 21, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    I know you’re incapable of it, but some people recognize that to the 50 mark in this thread there may be may be 4 comments that aren’t absolutely pro Obama, and possibly tilted into President Obama is wishy washy territory.
    That’s about 8%.

    Damn, Corner Stone. You don’t get it do you. No criticism of Dear Leader is allowed.

    The BJ Thought/Speech Police have their eye on you, bub. You can bet that they have a slot in the re-education camp ready for you too.

  81. 81.

    jwb

    February 21, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    @General Stuck: Didn’t you hear that BJ permanent kindergarten is being defunded?

  82. 82.

    General Stuck

    February 21, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    @Maude:

    I think, like the GOP, it is a firebagger last gasp. Like a caught Carp, flopping around on the bank, gasping for every wank.

  83. 83.

    Corner Stone

    February 21, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    @General Stuck: You are precious. Four not pure comments out of 50 and you start whining about how the thread has been ruined by firebaggers.
    And then when it’s pointed out to you that equals 8% you start mumbling about other threads.
    Should we all start signing off with a signature block approved by you?

  84. 84.

    General Stuck

    February 21, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    @jwb:

    No such luck. We get an exemption, no doubt from some curse or another.

  85. 85.

    morzer

    February 21, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    @WyldPirate:

    Still fucking that chicken, child? You teabaggers really don’t have much in the way of social skills, do you?

  86. 86.

    Cheryl Rofer

    February 21, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    Rally in solidarity with the Wisconsin workers

    12:15 Tuesday, February 22

    New Mexico State Capital Building, Santa Fe

  87. 87.

    WyldPirate

    February 21, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    @Southern Beale:

    Yep, and I bet it passes with flying colors knowing the proud “know-nothing”, Union-hating tradition of my native state.

    Damn coddled Tennessee teachers and their upper 20K-lower 30K starting salaries and maxed out high 50K-mid 60K salaries. They are ruining the state and they sit on their asses and teach the kids nothing.

  88. 88.

    Cat Lady

    February 21, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    Solidarity rally at the State House in Boston on Tuesday. I can’t be there, but if you can, do it!

  89. 89.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    February 21, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    @Corner Stone: You better stop undermining President Stuck.

  90. 90.

    General Stuck

    February 21, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Four not pure comments out of 50 and you start whining about how the thread has been ruined by firebaggers.

    Best to nip infections in the bud, before they turn into you.

  91. 91.

    Corner Stone

    February 21, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    @General Stuck:

    Sometimes Balloon Juice seems like permanent Kindergarten.

    Well why don’t you be the adult in the room and again demand Cole ban you as you flounce mightily for days?

    Or is that reference too much like the carp thingie you just typed?

  92. 92.

    minachica

    February 21, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    OMFG. Camel sighting in downtown Madison. For realz.

    Rumor is it’s John Oliver?

  93. 93.

    Restrung

    February 21, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    caught carp, flopping on the rocks

    there’s a song in there somewhere

    edit: You can talk to me, you can talk to me. If you’re lonely you can talk to me. Yeah. I knew Lennon would have already done it.

  94. 94.

    Stillwater

    February 21, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    @Superluminar: The Wisconsinistas. Lulz. Thanks for that.

  95. 95.

    WyldPirate

    February 21, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    @morzer:
    No, just making fun of your fuckwittery you moron.

    Don’t you have to go rabble rouse for the invasion of some Middle Eastern nation by a Marine Division so they do what’s right for US interests before they do what is right for their own self-interest?

  96. 96.

    Benz

    February 21, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Hey OHIOANS! Don’t forget to make hay of the fact that Kasich worked for LEHMAN BROTHERS during the great financial collapse, like you forgot during his election.

    Seriously, I better see some signs….

  97. 97.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    February 21, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    @Restrung: at least a haiku, or maybe a dirty limerick

  98. 98.

    morzer

    February 21, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    @WyldPirate:

    Ah yes, the person who thought that Obama ruined the lives of the auto-workers by saving their jobs. What are you, the Donald Rumsfeld of the American economy?

  99. 99.

    Yutsano

    February 21, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    @morzer: Sigh. I wish all the petty bickerers on this thread would wake the fuck up and realize it’s not about their petty blog fights, it’s about the workers of the state of Wisconsin trying to decide their future. Focusing on anything else up to and including Obama is a useless distraction. Grow the fuck up and focus people.

  100. 100.

    martha

    February 21, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    @minachica: Yep, he’s been interviewing folks up on Capitol Square all afternoon apparently. (and the weather is just lousy…) I’m a bit worried about how this will be portrayed. My only hope is that Jon Stewart’s mom is a teacher as I recall…maybe that will help our cause.

  101. 101.

    Violet

    February 21, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    @minachica:
    A camel? Is this “Cairo in Madison” or something?

  102. 102.

    General Stuck

    February 21, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    stale and lame. Yawn.

  103. 103.

    BGinCHI

    February 21, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    @Yutsano: +1.

  104. 104.

    Corner Stone

    February 21, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    @Yutsano: {looks around} Hmmm, doesn’t seem to be 3am.

  105. 105.

    Cat Lady

    February 21, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    @martha:

    I hope this isn’t a stupid stunt. Not everything is a fucking joke.

  106. 106.

    Benz

    February 21, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    @minachica: Did Walker learn from Mubarak to send his goons on camelback? Kidding, obviously.

  107. 107.

    Stillwater

    February 21, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: Poor Stuck, desperately trying to keep order in the middle of a comment revolution..

    !

  108. 108.

    morzer

    February 21, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    @Yutsano:

    Well, you know, funnily enough I argued that point re: Matoko_chan, and yet, hours later, the discussion still revolves around IQ and genetics. Go figure.

    As for WyldIdiotBoy, he’s been nursing his sore feefees ever since he tried to argue that Obama betrayed the autoworkers by saving their jobs, and got his ass kicked from here to Denver by the Socialist Muslim hordes. Given that he’s been whining at me ever since, just once in a while I indulge in bitch-slapping the poor fuckstick.

  109. 109.

    WyldPirate

    February 21, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    @minachica:

    OMFG. Camel sighting in downtown Madison. For realz.

    Fuck. Sharia Law is just around the corner. Someone call Glenn Beck and the Oklahoma state legislature. And run out to wherever Joe McCarthy is buried up there in Wisconsin and pour a fifth of single-malt Scotch on his grave to see if we can get him back into action.

  110. 110.

    Roger Moore

    February 21, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    @WyldPirate:
    I reiterate my call for a better class of troll around here.

  111. 111.

    Yutsano

    February 21, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    @Cat Lady: Stewart is pretty good at deriving humor from actual facts, so no doubt some actual reporting is going on here. Plus I encourage his involvement, it gets more young folks interested in stuff.

  112. 112.

    morzer

    February 21, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    @Yutsano:

    Well, you know, funnily enough I argued that point re: Matoko_chan, and yet, hours later, the discussion still revolves around IQ and genetics. Go figure.

    As for WyldIdiotBoy, he’s been nursing his sore feefees ever since he tried to argue that Obama betrayed the autoworkers by saving their jobs, and got his ass kicked from here to Denver by the Soc.ialist Muslim hordes. Given that he’s been whining at me ever since, just once in a while I indulge in bitch-slapping the poor fuckstick. I know, guilty pleasures and all that, but it’s been a longish day and I am out of patience with the witless.

  113. 113.

    minachica

    February 21, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    @martha: That’s a good point. I would hope the Daily Show would use the chance to highlight the ridiculous extremeness of the Republicans, but I can just see Fox getting footage and making our side seem circus-like (or worse). Glenn Beck?

  114. 114.

    Woodrow "asim" Jarvis Hill

    February 21, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Why can’t Obama get involved in the WI teacher rallies?

    Because I didn’t work to elect Bush III?

    More than a little of my issue with GW Bush wasn’t simply that he dragged us into 2 wars. It’s that he was convinced his branch of Government was the most important. He had to have an opinion about everything, and that opinion had to be heard ad nauasum. He was The Decider, and Deciders act, dammit!

    Which is why, of course, aside from starting wars and other ways of spending money (Medicare D, Tax Cuts, etc.), quite a few of his legislative initiatives fell flat on their face. By ignoring Democrats, he managed to shoot the long-held Conservative dream of privatized Social Security in the foot. By ignoring anti-immigration forces in his own party, he managed to hang his head int he noose for immigration reform — and no matter how much he pushed for these issues, he utterly failed. And because he’s all-or-nothing, he got, well, nothing.

    But hey, he stuck to his guns. Clearly, that principled stance is what really matters, here.

    So no, I don’t think we need Daddy Obama and the Democratic Orchestra “leading” on every issue. I think the fact that thousands are out there doing the actual work that’s stopping this cold is the force that needs to be applied — not another “smarter than you” Washington force coming in and applying top-down solutions to it.

    There’s a place for Obama. He and the Democratic leadership approved the DLC-driven OFA to go in well before this went National. He spoke firmly and forcefully when he needed to, and made clear his position. I suspect the Justice Dept. and the Dept. of Labor are on the ground, monitoring and seeing where, within the bounds of the Constitution, hey can act, as well.

    But yes, quietly. Not just because of the loudmouths in the GOP, but because a victory that comes form the grassroots empowers the Progressives in Wisconsin. A victory — and the GOP is already bending — that comes from the people hurting is more solid, more powerful, more likely to lock in a generation of potential Democrats who can and will defend this issues going forward, having seen how easily they can lose them. A group experienced, from this, in exactly the kind of Progressive grassroots work we need more of, not less.

    There are always points for the Federal government to step in, don’t get me wrong. Little Rock was right, for an obvious example. Yet this ugly morass of fear of a union world is already being pressed on the ground, by the people best affected, and helped by the arms of the Democratic power structure designed to work with groups, not over them.

    Let them do this work.

  115. 115.

    Martin

    February 21, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    @WyldPirate: I thought unions were part of sharia law? Along with pensions and regulation.

  116. 116.

    agrippa

    February 21, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Texas is a red state; it is a one party state. It is, aso, resource based: oil, natural gas, cattle, cotton and rice. The recession, to a large extent, has missed Texas.

    But,there is a large budget deficit, which will be handled by budget cuts. The legislature will have to cut the budget.

    Texans are conservative and quite passive. They will tolerate just about anything without complaint.

  117. 117.

    WyldPirate

    February 21, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    @morzer:
    No you dumb shit, I never said anything of the sort.

    My point was that when it came to doling out pain in saving industries, Obama chose to stick it to the little guys in the Union s instead of the banksters and Wall St. thieves who are his biggest campaign contributors.

  118. 118.

    Cat Lady

    February 21, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    @Yutsano:

    Let’s hope you’re right. I really don’t want to see giant puppets or mimes though.

  119. 119.

    Restrung

    February 21, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    I think Barack Obama is a thoughtful, decent man.

  120. 120.

    Corner Stone

    February 21, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    @agrippa: Are you out of your mind?

  121. 121.

    JPL

    February 21, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    @WyldPirate: The President did come out for the Wisconsin unions. If he did more then the story would be about him, not the local teachers.
    I do think that he can make another speech on the importance of education though.

  122. 122.

    morzer

    February 21, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    @WyldPirate:

    Well, funnily enough about 20 people saw your idiocy and took you as making exactly that incredibly dumb point, namely that Obama betrayed them by saving their jobs. Not that you care about such things, right?

    Anyway, I am putting you on the redacted list with matoko_chan. There are much more interesting people to talk with and more important issues to deal with than some idiotic teabagger. Yap away, child.

  123. 123.

    Yutsano

    February 21, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    Wow…I can link to every single comment except the one I want to reply to. FYWP.

    But a-fucking-men Woodrow “asim” Jarvis Hill.

  124. 124.

    WyldPirate

    February 21, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    @Martin:
    Yeah, silly me.

    But it could go deeper. I think that the Communists and Nathan Bedford Forrest could be involved, too. They’ve been known to collaborate with radical Muslim clerics to steal America’s freedoms.

    Maybe Dennis Green will ferret out the connection in the morning.

  125. 125.

    Cris

    February 21, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    @Woodrow “asim” Jarvis Hill: Great comment, thank you. I was about to post “this thread sucks” but you’ve given it a chance to get better.

  126. 126.

    Cris

    February 21, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    @Yutsano: I’m guessing it’s the quotes in his handle.

  127. 127.

    JPL

    February 21, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    How to we send money to help the Wisconsin democrats pay their bills while they are gone. Their food and hotel bills must be costly. I know about Act Blue but does this pay for their hotel costs?

  128. 128.

    Stillwater

    February 21, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    @Restrung: I think Barack Obama is a thoughtful, decent man.

    Look, just showing up isn’t enough to get you in the game. You got to show some skills. Try again, and bring it like you mean it!

  129. 129.

    Yutsano

    February 21, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    @Cris: Maybe. I dunno. It did this to me earlier too for a different commenter that didn’t have that. I’ll just go with FYWP anyway. It works in most situations.

  130. 130.

    JPL

    February 21, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    I renounce Stalin also, too.

  131. 131.

    Alex S.

    February 21, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    I refudiate bruccula.

  132. 132.

    General Stuck

    February 21, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    @Stillwater:

    Skill? what do you know about skills. Absolutely nothin”. Your previous constribution to this thread was a single ! . My parakeet can do that.

  133. 133.

    WyldPirate

    February 21, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    @morzer:

    Ohh, morzer, you’re such a bad ass. You “kicked my ass” in a thread.

    did you win some sort of medal for that, big boy?

    First you lie about what i said and then you ignore the fact that you got your own ass kicked by way more people by stupidly suggesting the US should interfere militarily in the burgeoning revolutions in the Mideast.

    Take your ball and go home behind your “pie filter” you big fucking baby. Doesn’t bother me in the least.

  134. 134.

    Stillwater

    February 21, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    @General Stuck: That comment by JSF was one of the funniest things I’ve read on the tubes. I hurled a Stuck on the computer screen. Here, I’ll post it again for you, so we can laugh together.

    Poor Stuck, desperately trying to keep order in the middle of a comment revolution..

    I mean, that’s just so perfect. And so godammed funny. On so many levels. Dontcha think?

  135. 135.

    WyldPirate

    February 21, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    @JPL:

    I know, I was just cutting up and rabble-rousing a bit.

    I saw Obama’s comments on the issue. I thought it was notable that he gave credence to the “austerity” issue in his comments. That should make a lot of people nervous and was way more noteworthy than his comments in support of the teachers.

  136. 136.

    Left Coast Tom

    February 21, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    @WyldPirate:

    My point was that when it came to doling out pain in saving industries, Obama chose to stick it to the little guys in the Union s instead of the banksters and Wall St. thieves who are his biggest campaign contributors.

    And after all of that, most of the top management that was at GM is now gone (replacing half the board at the same time seems to have been key). Whereas at the banks, at best one head was chopped off while all the others grew, leaving the incompetent still in charge of the largest banks. Which is why my response to relatives in Michigan who raised such comparisons was that the auto-bailout was handled as well as one might have expected, and the real criticism should be of how bank bailouts were handled (a practice that started w/ Shrub, but which Obama should have changed).

    By the way, I’m pretty sure the average bank teller (you know, the people who actually do the work) earns quite a bit less than the average auto worker. I think you’re really mixing the fate of the well-heeled at banks versus the fate of normal people at auto companies.

  137. 137.

    Another Commenter at Balloon Juice (fka Bella Q)

    February 21, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    But, but, has General Stuck denounced Stalin and the broccoli mandate recently? These are the kind of important questions that need to be asked.

  138. 138.

    General Stuck

    February 21, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    @Stillwater:

    Stupid is rarely funny, unless it is in the firebagger dimension. I don’t live there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  139. 139.

    Superluminar

    February 21, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    I feel strongly that no one has blamed Obama for any of this yet, even though the President might be the one responsible. In other news, my doctor is scared by my popcorn intake…

  140. 140.

    Left Coast Tom

    February 21, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    @Another Commenter at Balloon Juice (fka Bella Q): George Bush, Sr., denounced broccoli (amusingly enough, he did so in CA, which produces most of the country’s broccoli…). I denounce broccoli-denouncers.

  141. 141.

    Restrung

    February 21, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    @Stillwater:
    I was being passive. AGGRESSIVE!
    FUCKING BHO is a really nice guy and he’s not really a loser.
    haha. Oh, man.
    He is talented and educated and. aw fuggit
    Presidentin is hard work. fkn guy.
    HE ASKED FOR IT.

  142. 142.

    Stillwater

    February 21, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    @General Stuck: Aww, cmon, Stuck. Stupid is easy funny. Clown cars? Stooges? Porky pig laughing? What JSF does is sublime, bro. Look up that word. You’ll see I’m right.

  143. 143.

    jwb

    February 21, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    @agrippa: The rise in oil prices, if it sticks, might yet save Perry and the goopers’ ass down here. Still, they found time to allow guns at the university, so not all is lost. The legislature has had to move to closed session because the budget cutting is getting too much even for the Texas goopers.

  144. 144.

    jwb

    February 21, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    @JPL: You’re trying reason when you need to be wielding a sledgehammer.

  145. 145.

    AxelFoley

    February 21, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    @WyldPirate:

    That’s because he has his finger in the wind. He can’t do what is right; just what is most politically expedient.

    You play the role of resident douchebag well.

  146. 146.

    joel hanes

    February 21, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    “Madison Guy”, who writes the thoughtful and often beautiful Letter From Here blog, recommends this Help Defend Wisconsin site to those who wish to contribute to defray the immediate costs of maintaining the demonstration.

  147. 147.

    rapier

    February 21, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    I couldn’t believe Kasich, the boyish smirking Reagan fanboy, got himself elected guv. Good luck boy your going to need it.

  148. 148.

    Elizabelle

    February 21, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    @Restrung:

    I think Barack Obama is a thoughtful, decent man.

    Agreed. A good president during turbulent times too.

  149. 149.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    February 21, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    @Stillwater:

    Aww, cmon, Stuck. Stupid is easy funny. Clown cars? Stooges? Porky pig laughing? What JSF does is sublime, bro. Look up that word. You’ll see I’m right.

    I looked it up, Stuck, and I’m going to have to agree with Stillwater here.

  150. 150.

    General Stuck

    February 21, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    Stupid is easy funny

    This does sound all you. So I will rethink.

  151. 151.

    The Raven

    February 21, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    About 2,000 people turned out in Olympia, Washington, where Republicans have introduced similar legislation, which is likely to die in the Democratic legislature. But we have the initiative in Washington, so we may see this nastiness turn up on the ballot, where it just might pass.

    Oh, yes, and Dennis Kucinich flew out to give a speech.

  152. 152.

    Another Commenter at Balloon Juice (fka Bella Q)

    February 21, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    @rapier:

    I couldn’t believe Kasich, the boyish smirking Reagan fanboy, got himself elected guv. Good luck boy your going to need it.

    He just barely beat Strickland, but acts as if he’d scored a landslide. His advance staff kept him on a tight leash during the campaign, so lots of people saw the boyish, but not the very nasty smirk. They’re starting to see it now, and there is indeed some buyer’s remorse.

  153. 153.

    Triassic Sands

    February 21, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    …nobody can explain how much money SB 5 would save.

    Hey, anything that helps impoverish anyone (other than me) must be a huge money saver.

  154. 154.

    Corner Stone

    February 21, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    @Stillwater:

    Poor Stuck, desperately trying to keep order in the middle of a comment revolution..

    That actually is pretty fucking funny. Sublimely funny, truth be told.

  155. 155.

    agrippa

    February 21, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    @jwb:
    jwb
    The goopers in TX may find governing to be not that much fun. Life is unfair, doncha know.

  156. 156.

    El Cid

    February 21, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    Are there other types of baggers apart from “tea” and “fire”?

  157. 157.

    El Cid

    February 21, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    @El Cid: Don’t you say fucking “grocery” either.

  158. 158.

    CaliCat

    February 22, 2011 at 3:07 am

    Scott Walker is the smarmiest douche to ever infest the political landscape. I seriously hate the son of a bitch. Has anyone noticed his eyes? They’re dead…cold and dead.

    The workers must win this fight. They absolutely have to win no matter what the cost. Our future literally hangs in the balance.

  159. 159.

    Kenneth Fair

    February 22, 2011 at 10:50 am

    There’s a reason the same bill is popping up in different locations – it was drafted by the right-wing American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), another part of the Kochtopus. If there’s an odious facehugger of a bill being introduced in a statehouse somewhere, chances are it was spawned in ALEC’s breeding grounds.

  160. 160.

    Cain

    February 22, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    @Mr. Long From:

    By the way, Indiana’s glorious GOP is going to push the Tea Party goober to beat Richard Lugar in the primary—Richard Lugar! the possibly one remaining slightly-not-so-dumb-and-evil Republican in the entire senate with a half a million years of seniority for some guy too stoopid to be Dan Quayle.

    That would be very unfortunate. Richard Lugar is a good guy and I remember him well from my days of growing up. Another victim of the Tea party nonsense sweeping the country. These people smell blood in the water and they are going to push the confrontation now. I’m hoping that this will be overreach. But even if it was it seems that we are dumb enough to elect them again in another two years.

    cain

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