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You are here: Home / Politics / Education / Bill Cosby on Education (and that Trump Clown)

Bill Cosby on Education (and that Trump Clown)

by Imani Gandy (ABL)|  April 7, 20115:01 pm| 99 Comments

This post is in: Education, Election 2012

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“Cosbiness is next to godliness.”

A clip from a Today Show interview with Bill Cosby is spreading throughout Blogistan. In the clip, Cosby essentially tells Trump to put up or shut up.

I have no interest in writing or thinking about Donald Trump. He’s a jackass in a bad hairpiece. He doesn’t buy into this Birther bullshit. Only idiots are birthers, and Trump may be a lot of things, but he is not an idiot.

Quite simply, he is jumping on the Teabilly Bandwagon because he knows that everytime he says the word “birthcertificatekenyanmuslim,” Sean Hannity and the rest of the Fox News asshats cream their collective shorts; so much so, in fact, that Fox gave Trump his own show.

Yup.

If you really want to start your week off with a migraine and a case of diarrhea, watch Mondays with Trump: So Awful that Even Your Bowels Will Be Irritated.

At any rate, if you have not yet seen the clip yet, here it is:

I don’t care either, Dr. C.

What I do care about is the rest of that interview — the reason for Bill Cosby’s appearance on the Today Show, which was to discuss his and Dr. Stanley Battle’s (President of Southern Connecticut State University) efforts in inspiring black children in low-income neighborhoods to strive for success, and to discuss the need to demonstrate to young children that someone cares about their future, and to urge that communities provide “safe passage,” so that children can walk freely in their neighborhoods without being confronted with violence, drugs, and thuggery.

And, when asked about Obama, both Battle and Cosby had good things to say about Obama’s performance as an “education President.” I care about that, too.

Here’s the full clip:

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It’s always heartwarming to see Dr. Cosby out there fighting the good fight; using his celebrity to inspire children to succeed. (I used to watch him compete in the Penn Relays back in the day — when he wasn’t 73 [!!]. Good times.)

As Dr. Battle said, the urban experience is unique. So while we focus on the assault on teachers in places like Wisconsin, let’s not forget that kids in urban communities often have it worse — a lot worse.

And when you see “black intellectuals” like Cornel West slamming Obama for not doing enough for black people, or for not ending wars through the spreading of love, it’s a good idea to remember that there are black celebrities who are actually doing shit, instead of just talking about it.

To read more about Dr. Cosby’s efforts, click this link.

To read about the tensions between some black Obama-supporters and the “black intellectual class,” check this rant over at W.E.E. See You.

And just because:

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  1. 1.

    M. Bouffant

    April 7, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Being picky: The mess atop Trump’s head is not a rug, it’s a comb-over.

  2. 2.

    elf

    April 7, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    I have total respect for Dr. Cosby and still remember seeing his first bit on tv sooo long ago now…also too.. constantly sing …dad is great …give us the chocolate cake..great guy!!
    But da Donald says he has alll the ingredaments for a Tea Party..bet he does not like chocolate cake tho.

  3. 3.

    RSR

    April 7, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    “NOAH!”

  4. 4.

    You Don't Say

    April 7, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    I think it’s a backward-forward comb over, but I could be wrong.

  5. 5.

    Villago Delenda Est

    April 7, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    Donald Trump is one of those media figures (a person famous for getting media attention…which makes him famous!) who, if he were not born on third base, he’d be an absolute nobody.

    If I started life out with a pile of money, I’d have a huger pile of money, too. The man displays no actual competence other than at self promotion.

    I wish he’d just go away. There are people with actual accomplishments who get 1/1000th the media attention of assholes with dead squirrels on their heads like Donald Trump.

    Crosby’s right about Trump and his “running for President” schtick. It HAS gotten the Donald a TV show on Faux. Cripes.

  6. 6.

    Joe Beese

    April 7, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    “Dr. Cosby”…

    His doctoral thesis was titled “The Integration of Visual Media Via Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids Into the Elementary Schools Culminating as a Teacher Aid to Achieve Increased Learning.”

    In other words: “Why Watching My TV Cartoon Is Good For Kids”.

    Why is he picking on The Combover? Did he run out of poor black people to criticize?

  7. 7.

    Comrade Luke

    April 7, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    I’m glad you posted this, because a friend of mine sent me a link to the Trump interview and said “You guys watching his soundbytes as he gets into the 2012 race? He’s telling exactly the story that people want to hear.”

    Just shoot me.

  8. 8.

    MikeJ

    April 7, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Trump may be a lot of things, but he is not an idiot.

    The house always wins.

    He ran a casino into bankruptcy.

  9. 9.

    Martin

    April 7, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    The problem with Trump is that he’s the poster child for the shock doctrine. He’s all-risk, all-in, all the time. The guy’s gone bankrupt 3 times.

  10. 10.

    quaint irene

    April 7, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    Damn, I love that segment. When the kids come in for breakfast and point at the cake…His thoughts “milk..eggs..why not?”
    And then it’s chocolate cake for everybody! Until his wife comes in….

  11. 11.

    Punchy

    April 7, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Didn’t Trump boast about supplying his Birf Certy, only to have some eagle-eyed bloggers look at it and realize it was a copy instead?

    God damn, I cant believe you suckered me into actually caring enough to write about that fat shitbag. If one of Trump’s buildings collapsed on top of him, would anyone really care?

  12. 12.

    ruemara

    April 7, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Too angry about the budget riders thing. Trump, he just needs to go away.

  13. 13.

    Martin

    April 7, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    @Joe Beese: Careful Joe, your teabag is peeking out.

  14. 14.

    Shinobi

    April 7, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Bill Cosby, just what I needed today.

  15. 15.

    General Stuck

    April 7, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    Bill Cosby on Education (and that Trump Clown)

    What’s one more clown for the circus. Maybe he will fire himself, or self immolate when he insults Queen Sarah.

    Of course Obama was born in Kenya. I know this from my soldier of fortune days with the Foreign Legion in Africa, when one day whilst fighting for exploitation, I came across a a baby crib in a hut, with Little Baby Barack carved in the headpost. There were more words that said “future US presnit, and Weather Underground toddler corp”. Tacked to a post was Obama’s birth certificate from Kenya, and a cut out article from a Hawaiian newspaper of the arrival of baby Husseini, with stoopid white people scribbled on the margin.

    True lie, swear to baby jeevus on a Koran.

  16. 16.

    joe from Lowell

    April 7, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    Love the “WEE See You” link.

    I keep saying.. don’t mean to offend members of our communities.. but the election of President Obama is eye opening to me… PhD experts, black power nationalist, progressives etc.. all know nothing and I mean absolutely nothing about foreign policy or the continent of Africa or for that matter the mechanism of government…They do not know the people in North Carolina’s struggles nor the people in Libya’s struggles. They know the abstract and generic stuff, boilerplate topics with no proffered solutions…Neither do they understand US foreign policy besides generic rants of “oil” “uranium” “colonialism” “imperialism” “poor” “poverty” === nothing more just generic shit

    Oh hell yeah.

  17. 17.

    Trentrunner

    April 7, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    I fucking hate Cornel West. He gives academics, gadflies, and rappers a bad name. An unholy trifecta.

  18. 18.

    Scott

    April 7, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Holy crap, I couldn’t believe the interviewer. Couldn’t believe that Cosby wasn’t sucking the Donald’s wingwang and went into panicked shut-down mode. Disrespectful and weird and just plain creepy.

  19. 19.

    Suck It Up!

    April 7, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    I was wondering if any of the blogs would pick this up. Thanks Angry.

  20. 20.

    soonergrunt

    April 7, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    @RSR: Riiiiiight! What’s an Ark?

  21. 21.

    Martin

    April 7, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    @Scott: Morning TV is all about harmony and cutesy vignettes to give you something to talk about at the water cooler (oh, and apparently upskirt shots, as I learned a post or 3 back). Confrontation isn’t part of the script.

  22. 22.

    Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason

    April 7, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    @General Stuck: That’s right! I was there, too, I remember that, fighting with the Foreign Legion. For exploitation! Yeah, in Africa! There was nothing there but sand. And tigers, a-and … Japanese! Yeah, flying Japanese sand tigers, that’s the ticket!

  23. 23.

    PurpleGirl

    April 7, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    @Punchy: Originally he was showing the souvenir “certificate” that hospitals give to parents; it was not the NYC Dept of Vital Records certified copy.

    The government sells you a copy with a embossed stamp that certifies it as coming from the government agency. No one ever gets the original government piece of paper.

  24. 24.

    reality-based educator

    April 7, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Wow, I don’t know who is more wrong – Angry Black Lady or Cosby.

    President Obama’s education policies have been EXACTLY like President Bush’s – only more so.

    Obama has promoted the privatization of the public school system through his Race to the Top program, has ensured that children will take three to four standardized tests in EVERY subject EVERY year so that their teachers can be evaluated using those test scores, has demonized teachers and cheer-led for their firing (first in Central Falls, Rhode Island, then in his SOTU address in January), has promoted a one-size-fits-all education system that is based on fear and retribution.

    I am a teacher in NYC. I have been doing it for ten years. The demoralization of both students and teachers that has come during the Obama years as we have seen this president do to public education what President Bush could only have dreamed of is off the charts.

    Currently we have to give tests every few weeks as part of Mayor Bloomberg’s “Children First” reforms. The children and teachers hate these tests, they take away from real education, but McGraw-Hill and Pearson who have the contracts, LOVE these tests.

    If Obama gets his way on No Child Left Behind, the Bloomberg reforms will be the law of the land in every state.

    Tests in EVERY subject EVERY few weeks.

    The scores better go up or the teachers get fired and the schools closed.

    Does any of this make for better education?

    Not in my opinion, not as a ten year vet of teaching.

    Please read Valerie Strauss at the Washington Post or Diane Ravitch at Ed Week for more on just how damaging Obama has been for education.

    Education President?

    Ha!

    More like Corporate Education President!

    Which is why he doesn’t send his own kids to schools he and his Ed Sec run.

    No standardized testing for Sasha and Malia

  25. 25.

    Cris

    April 7, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    @Scott: As you can tell from his classic stand-up routines, Bill Cosby has patience. He’s not afraid of silence. And he shows it here.

    Vieria: Now why do you say that?
    Cosby: Because he’s full of it.
    [three and a half seconds of total silence. On TV, that is fucking years.]
    Vieria: ………. based on what?

    Love it.

  26. 26.

    Captain Haddock

    April 7, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Donald will drop the pretense of “running” the minute this season of “Celebrity Apprentice” is over. Does anyone – ANYONE – think he is really going to run?

  27. 27.

    Cris

    April 7, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    @Martin: Confrontation isn’t part of the script.

    Then she shouldn’t have brought it up.

  28. 28.

    Allan

    April 7, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    @Scott: Meredith Vieria was stunned, stunned that anyone would dare to criticize a beloved star of NBC’s primetime lineup in her presence. There must have been fifteen producers and Trump’s agent yelling in her earpiece “Redirect! Change the subject!”

    The last line in which she pretended that Cosby didn’t just tell the Donald to STFU was classic ass-covering.

  29. 29.

    Violet

    April 7, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    @Scott:
    For me, there’s always such a disconnect between the “Cosby Show” Bill Cosby/”Pudding Pops” Bill Cosby and the Angry Bill Cosby that shows up on TV shows for interviews. It’s just kind of weird.

    I appreciate he’s doing good stuff, but I’m always a little afraid of him. He never seems funny to me the way he used to. He does seem angry.

  30. 30.

    stuckinred

    April 7, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Bear in mind that Dr Cosby also is a GED graduate. I talked about the “Bill Cosby effect” in my dissertation. About 10% of GED grads take the test and earn the “necessary but not sufficient” credential without any kind of preparation. Preparation on not he is a great role model for those of us who needed a second chance.

  31. 31.

    Violet

    April 7, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    @Cris:
    That was excellent. Anyone who doesn’t fall into the lame Today Show interviewers’ traps is doing something right.

  32. 32.

    Mike E

    April 7, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    @Martin: And that brown under Joe’s nose ain’t Jell-O pudding!

  33. 33.

    Violet

    April 7, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    @Captain Haddock:

    Does anyone – ANYONE – think he is really going to run?

    This is such a bizarre year for the Republicans. People I never thought were going to run might just decide to run. Trump might get caught up in the craziness. His ego is certainly big enough to think he could do a great job as President.

  34. 34.

    khead

    April 7, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    @Punchy:

    Only if we happen to be in the same casino.

    Other than that? No, not really. Plus it would mean no more Celebrity Apprentice.

  35. 35.

    Allan

    April 7, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    @Violet: The Dunning-Kruger Effect may claim several victims this campaign cycle.

  36. 36.

    Tone in DC

    April 7, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    For me, there’s always such a disconnect between the “Cosby Show” Bill Cosby/”Pudding Pops” Bill Cosby and the Angry Bill Cosby that shows up on TV shows for interviews. It’s just kind of weird.

    I appreciate he’s doing good stuff, but I’m always a little afraid of him. He never seems funny to me the way he used to. He does seem angry.

    Anyone with any intelligence (GED or no) when asked about a subject as worthless as Trump’s maybe-kina-sorta candidacy would get angry. I do.

  37. 37.

    Mike E

    April 7, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    @soonergrunt: Riiight…what’s a cubit?

  38. 38.

    Brachiator

    April 7, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Donald Trump is one of those media figures (a person famous for getting media attention…which makes him famous!) who, if he were not born on third base, he’d be an absolute nobody.

    Trump is the best thing to happen to the GOP in years. Look at the latest poll results:

    The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News Poll released Wednesday finds the real estate tycoon turned reality TV star tied for second place with Mike Huckabee in a hypothetical match-up of 2012 GOP presidential contenders.
    __
    According to the poll, Trump and Huckabee both garnered 17 percent support among likely GOP primary voters. They trailed Mitt Romney, who topped the poll with 21 percent support, but bested several potential candidates, including Newt Gingrich (11 percent), Sarah Palin (10 percent) and Tim Pawlenty (6 percent).
    __
    Yet the most surprising number is Trump’s standing with self-described tea party supporters. Among tea party voters, Trump leads the entire 2012 field, with 20 percent support–besting Romney (17 percent), Huckabee (14 percent) and Palin (12 percent).

    Maybe the only thing stronger than a Trump/Palin GOP ticket would be a Trump/Charlie Sheen ticket.

    Please, oh please, oh please. The GOP is embracing the crazy harder than Col Kurtz in Apocalypse Now. And like Palin, Trump is apparently too egotistical to realize how truly stupid he is.

  39. 39.

    Violet

    April 7, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    @Tone in DC:
    It’s not just this appearance. It’s pretty much any appearance/interview I’ve seen with him in the last 8-10 years or so. Granted, I don’t see him interviewed all that often. But when I do, that’s the impression I have. This interview about Trump is just another example.

  40. 40.

    stuckinred

    April 7, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    @Violet: I think he runs the tough love on brothers because not many other people can even think of getting away with it.

  41. 41.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 7, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    @soonergrunt:

    Uh, God? What’s a cubit?

  42. 42.

    Violet

    April 7, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    @Brachiator:
    Speaking of Palin, she’s been awfully quiet lately. Is that smart-quiet or “jumped the shark” quiet? I did see a National Enquirer with “Todd’s Love Child!” on the cover at the supermarket checkout line yesterday.

  43. 43.

    Citizen_X

    April 7, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Love how Cosby just immediately dumped Trump into the “joke candidate” category. Where he belongs.

  44. 44.

    Common Sense

    April 7, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    @General Stuck:

    Of course Obama was born in Kenya. I know this from my soldier of fortune days with the Foreign Legion in Africa, when one day whilst fighting for exploitation, I came across a a baby crib in a hut, with Little Baby Barack carved in the headpost. There were more words that said “future US presnit, and Weather Underground toddler corp”. Tacked to a post was Obama’s birth certificate from Kenya, and a cut out article from a Hawaiian newspaper of the arrival of baby Husseini, with stoopid white people scribbled on the margin.

    If only this was a joke

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJzmX9hlfS4&feature=channel_video_title

  45. 45.

    Violet

    April 7, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    @stuckinred:
    Yeah, that’s probably it. I like TNC’s article on him. I get why Cosby is doing it. I am only relaying my impression of him. I don’t know if anyone else feels the way I do. If many people do, I don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing.

  46. 46.

    lamh34

    April 7, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    I heard about this video too. That was a thing of beauty!

  47. 47.

    scav

    April 7, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    @Citizen_X: It was deftly done.

  48. 48.

    Woodrow L. Goode, IV

    April 7, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Trump is an idiot. His father was a wealthy real estate developer, who died in 199 with an estate of $400 million). His son claims to be worth $2.7 billion, but most of that is based on Trump’s grossly inflated assessment of what his properties are worth.

    For example, Trump claims that “Trump Tower” (725 Fifth Avenue) is worth $288 Million. The actual property valuation (as set by the tax collector) is $128 million.

    He says the $160 million difference is brand equity– that just having the name “Trump” on the building more than doubles the value. This is utter nonsense, as any real estate professional working in Manhattan would tell you.

    If you perform that kind of reality check for every property Trump owns his wealth is under a billion. And that assumes (a) that he owns 100% of his properties (he doesn’t) and (b) that he hasn’t borrowed heavily against them (in most cases, he has).

    If I remember correctly, if Trump had just taken the money his father gave him and put it into a money market account, his net worth would be higher than it is. I’m not sure how many times Trump has been unable to make loan payments on a building and lost some or all of his equity; his companies have been through bankruptcy at least twice.

    There are plutocrats who truly are good businessmen– I believe the Koch Brothers did substantially improve the value of the business they inherited. Trump isn’t one of them– he’s a bombastic clown.

  49. 49.

    mclaren

    April 7, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Here, we have to part company: black intellectuals shouldn’t criticize Obama because SHUT UP! is why.

    That’s not an argument.

    Obama came in promising substantive change and he hasn’t delivered. Everyone is entitled to criticize Obama for betraying his promises — black, white, brown, yellow, anybody.

    As for the claim that the only people who are entitled to criticize Obama are the people who have actually done something, that’s like saying the only people who are qualified to say that someone has won the olympics are ex-olympic athletes.

    Bullshit.

    Anyone knows when someone lies and betrays his promises. Obama lied and betrayed his promises. You don’t need to be in government to realize that, and you don’t have to be elected to high office to say it.

  50. 50.

    Martin

    April 7, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    @Cris: She was expecting Cosby to say that Trump was a serious candidate who would have an adult conversation with America.

  51. 51.

    Woodrow "asim" Jarvis Hill

    April 7, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    @Violet:

    He never seems funny to me the way he used to. He does seem angry.

    You walk through a life like his, and you’d be pissed off in your older years as well.

    There are parts of Cosby I think suck, from his fooling around on his wife, to his occasional urges to lecture instead of communicate, to LEONARD PART 6. And yet, the man commands respect — and for far more than being a “funny-man”. He’s one of the few actors who has an advanced degree, and actually put it to use in his projects. He grew up during a time of massive change in our society, esp. when it came to African-Americans, and I think some of his reactions to issues come more than a little from feeling as those the issues he literally fought like hell to see fixed still aren’t — or have gotten worse.

    That scars a person. I’ve watched it consume both my parents; my Mom was on her deathbed fighting for Education for AA kids, and my Dad — who is a lot like Cosby in many ways — is fighting his own age and cynicism over these issues. It’s something that’s hard for me to grasp, but I get closer when I hear them talk about the days of the Civil Rights movement, and the feeling that they, as youth, had power to change their lives, and their kids lives, fro the better.

    They did. I know, because I’m living proof of that. And yet, they wanted so much more, so much better, so much more equality. To be so close, and yet have so far to go, esp. with the outbreaks of racism so obvious in cases like Trump — you’re damned right someone who saw people bleed and die over this is going to get angry.

    And dammit, maybe we should listen, instead of thinking about fuckin’ pudding pops and chocolate cake.

  52. 52.

    Mike E

    April 7, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: You owe me a soda!

  53. 53.

    kay

    April 7, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    @<a href="#comment-2518484Scott:

    Disrespectful and weird and just plain creepy

    Agreed. They’re soul-dead careerist ghouls. Ugh. The cynicism it must take, on a personal level,for her to pretend they’re she’s not promoting Trump is depressing to watch.

    They’re promoting him, in the same way the promoted Palin. A six year old would recognize it.

    I wish they’d stop calling it “news” or “information” and just call it something else. I don’t know what it is they’re doing, but we need a more accurate, truthful label. I’m tired of playing this game.

  54. 54.

    General Stuck

    April 7, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    @mclaren:

    Isn’t it a little early for you to be out of your casket. We are on Daylight Savings Time after all.

  55. 55.

    Calouste

    April 7, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    @Woodrow L. Goode, IV:

    Trump is just doing a Berlusconi, trying to grab the reign of power before the creditors and prosecutors geab him.

  56. 56.

    kay

    April 7, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    @stuckinred:

    I didn’t know that. Thanks.

  57. 57.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 7, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    @Woodrow L. Goode, IV: Spy Magazine always referred to him as a short fingered vulgarian.

  58. 58.

    kay

    April 7, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Please, oh please, oh please.

    Seconded. That would be pure pleasure. We won’t get that lucky, though.
    We’re going to get a Mitt Romney-esque person, sadly.

  59. 59.

    Mike E

    April 7, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    @kay:

    I wish they’d stop calling it “news” or “information” and just call it something else

    Supine?

  60. 60.

    Master of Karate and Friendship

    April 7, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Yes, Obama has done good things for education, like promoting the theories of totally non-discredited Michelle Rhee.

  61. 61.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    April 7, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    How does Donald Trump get a pass on being an idiot? For the last 20 years, every utterance he’s made in the political realm is the stuff of incredulity. My 10 year old knows more about politics than Trump.

  62. 62.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 7, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: No offense to your kid, but a bowl of pudding knows more about politics than Trump.

  63. 63.

    Joseph Nobles

    April 7, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Woodrow “asim” Jarvis Hill #21: Absolutely all of this, plus one more thing. Living through the horrible death of one of your children will put a permanent drain on your happy times.

  64. 64.

    Bob L

    April 7, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    @Violet: So what your trying to say is Mr Cosby isn’t minding his respectful place with The Donald?

    Cosby told the audience, “is I’m tired of losing to white people. When I say I don’t care about white people, I mean let them say what they want to say. What can they say to me that’s worse than what their grandfather said?”

    The scoundrel. After all that we whites have done tofor blacks.

  65. 65.

    emma

    April 7, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    Shame on me as I am in a related-to education field, but I find myself completely ignorant. When has Obama promoted Michelle Rhee? What is this about tests every few weeks? Links, please?

  66. 66.

    Brachiator

    April 7, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    @Violet:

    Speaking of Palin, she’s been awfully quiet lately. Is that smart-quiet or “jumped the shark” quiet? I did see a National Enquirer with “Todd’s Love Child!” on the cover at the supermarket checkout line yesterday.

    Not much has been heard of Palin since she embarked on her “Live and Stupid” World Tour. But it is odd. I don’t know if Rupert Murdoch is saving her for a holiday special.

    It is also interesting that although some want to keep seeing Palin as a grifter only interested in celebrity and bucks, information about her staff and advisors is finally sticking in the media and giving us a view of Palin’s ego and ambition (Sarah Palin’s low-profile, high-impact advisor)

    Rebecca Mansour, who doesn’t mind sounding elite with her vast vocabulary, calls herself boring. Her words in defense of the former Alaska governor, however, are anything but dull….
    __
    Palin was impressed. The pair hit it off. Mansour helped Palin with research on her score-settling bestseller, and a few months later, Palin offered Mansour a job with SarahPAC, Palin’s political operation. She would write speeches and help Palin craft messages that would bypass the traditional media (the “lamestream media” in Palinspeak) and target Palin’s Facebook fans and Twitter followers, which now number 2.7 million and 428,000, respectively.
    __
    As Palin considers whether to run for president in 2012, Mansour, 36, has become part of the inner circle that includes Palin’s husband, Todd; her Anchorage-based attorney, Thomas Van Flein; her Washington-based treasurer, Tim Crawford; and a newly hired chief of staff, Michael Glassner.

  67. 67.

    Josie

    April 7, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    @Woodrow “asim” Jarvis Hill: It’s not just Trump either. We are seeing people in positions of leadership who should know better, who do know better, giving their followers tacit permission to parade their racism for all to see. Then, if someone calls them on it, they say someone is playing the race card. For a classy guy like Dr. Cosby, who has had such a positive effect on racial perceptions, it must be particularly galling to watch this go on. I was surprised he was so polite about Trump. I wouldn’t have been.

  68. 68.

    The Thin Black Duke

    April 7, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    @Violet: I think every comedian is frightening once he or she takes off the rubber nose and the clown shoes. Remember how the great George Carlin evolved into a Grumpy Old Comedian? All of their jokes are fueled by anger.

  69. 69.

    Master of Karate and Friendship

    April 7, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Michelle Rhee’s spiel is destroy teachers’ unions, test kids often on everything, fire teachers whose kids don’t do well on those tests, and open up schools to free-market competition. Which is what Obama has been pushing, too.

    She used to be the head of the Washington DC school system, but the people of DC hated her so much they elected a mayor who promised to can her. Now her success stories have been examined and found to be based upon staggering amounts of fraud.

    Which is what you’d expect, really, since expecting free-market ideology to fix schools is like looking to trade a horse for magic beans.

    “Then-candidate Barack Obama endorsed Rhee in a 2008 debate as a ‘wonderful new superintendent'”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/25/AR2011022506611.html?wprss=rss_print/outlook

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    mclaren

    April 7, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    How does Donald Trump get a pass on being an idiot?

    Because he’s rich.

    If Joe Six Pack says the earth is flat and dogs fly to the moon every night by shooting flames out their asses, pundits ridicule him as a kook…if they notice him at all.

    If a rich guy says the earth is flat and dogs fly to the moon every night by shooting flames out their asses, pundits swoon with delight over his deep insight and profoundly groundbreaking daring in saying the things no one else will say.

  71. 71.

    Brachiator

    April 7, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    @mclaren:

    Here, we have to part company: black intellectuals shouldn’t criticize Obama because SHUT UP! is why.

    Yawn. Cornell West is much like Ralph Nader. Neither his race nor his status as an intellectual is at issue. It is that his views represent a reductive, old fashioned pseudo-progressivism.

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    colleeniem

    April 7, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    He (Cosby) would have thrown the snowball at Donald, but his mother threw the snowball away :(.
    I love Cosby! Cosby cosby cosby!

  73. 73.

    Cris

    April 7, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    I’m starting to realize that what we’re seeing in this video is a failed understanding (on the part of the interviewer) of who Cosby is. When she tries to elicit comment about Trump, she’s thinking of him as Bill Cosby, Family-Friendly Entertainer. An entertainer’s mission is to come up with cute, clever things to say about all those worrisome headlines, and give us a little chuckle. Like Jay Leno.

    But to Cosby, he’s not that guy anymore. At the very least, he’s not that guy when the topic of the interview is his community efforts. He’s not on camera to crack wise, and he clearly wasn’t going to play along when she tried to bring it to that.

  74. 74.

    Mike E

    April 7, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    All of their jokes are fueled by anger.

    And pain.

    Mark Twain said, at his daughter’s funeral I believe, that since laughter is borne out of sorrow and pain, then the sound of Heaven must be silence.

  75. 75.

    Caz

    April 7, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    So uncouth. You, not Trump.

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    Violet

    April 7, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke:
    Yes, this is probably true. It’s just a disconnect to me. I think of him as the kindly dad on “The Cosby Show” and the happy guy who sold pudding pops, so the angry, sunglasses-wearing Cosby is always a little jarring. I don’t mean to disrespect his work at all, or the fact that he’s doing something worthwhile with his fame. It’s just an observation. I’m sure there are many valid reasons for why he is angry.

    I don’t know why the Reply button isn’t working for this post, but to: Woodrow “asim” Jarvis Hill:

    And dammit, maybe we should listen, instead of thinking about fuckin’ pudding pops and chocolate cake.

    To be fair, Cosby did shill the hell out of those pudding pops. The pudding pops folks are probably glad people still think of the kindly Cosby whenever they think of pudding pops. For those of us who grew up with Cosby selling them, I think it’ll be hard to shake that association. I’m sure he was handsomely rewarded for his time. He shouldn’t complain if people still associate him with them, given that he chose to do it and was so well compensated.

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    The Thin Black Duke

    April 7, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    @Cris: Bottom line, white people get nervous when black men ain’t smiling.

  78. 78.

    Cris

    April 7, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    @mclaren: If Joe Six Pack says the earth is flat and dogs fly to the moon every night by shooting flames out their asses, pundits ridicule him as a kook…if they notice him at all.

    You mean Joe the Plumber?

  79. 79.

    Cris

    April 7, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    @Violet: I don’t know why the Reply button isn’t working for this post,

    Because he has quotes in his handle, and the “Reply” script is too sloppy to anticipate that.

  80. 80.

    Violet

    April 7, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke:
    I don’t think that’s fully it. I’m sure there’s plenty of that, but Cosby made his name being a funny guy and became extremely well known as the funny Dad on the family-friendly Cosby Show. There are plenty of actors and comedians who can’t shake their signature characters or personas. It’s not surprising that people still see Cosby as the nice, funny Dad type guy and are a little surprised when the angry man talking about education shows up.

  81. 81.

    The Thin Black Duke

    April 7, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    @Violet:
    Yes.

    That’s why celebrities should always be careful putting their names on products. The late Bert Lahr was a gifted actor who performed splendidly in Waiting For Godot. However, other than his iconic role as the cowardly lion, what did people remember him for? Those damned potato chips.

  82. 82.

    Brachiator

    April 7, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    @Violet:

    I don’t think that’s fully it. I’m sure there’s plenty of that, but Cosby made his name being a funny guy and became extremely well known as the funny Dad on the family-friendly Cosby Show.

    You’re right. Even though he started in showbiz in stand-up, a lot of people knew him as the hipster secret agent in I-Spy. In a way, the “family friendly Cosby” actually displaced an earlier persona.

    But it’s not just Cosby, almost every successful entertainer, especially TV stars often have to deal with a public which expects them to be exactly like the people they play on television.

    The nasty, stupid side of this is stuff like a recent Steve Martin appearance to talk about his latest novel. Even though this had been clearly advertised to be about his literary works, those in the audience got upset because they demanded that Martin do his “Wild and Crazy Guy” stuff and talk about his movies.

  83. 83.

    jinxtigr

    April 7, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Oddly, I’d just watched Eddie Murphy on Cosby :D such a beautifully cruel Cosby impression, he really got the anger- and then he did Richard Pryor and totally nailed him.

    Looks like the ‘jell-o pudding eating motherfucker’ has some use to him after all ;)

    I guess my experience is different than most, because to me there’s nothing in the least surprising about angry Cos- because I grew up listening to his stand-up records, not watching the Cosby Show or watching his commercials. Fat Albert? I think of the Buck-Buck routine :)

  84. 84.

    eemom

    April 7, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    my favorite Cosby anecdote was back in the ’08 election when he talked about how he brought his parents’ and grandparents’ photos with him when he went to the polls, and he took them out in the voting booth and told them “We’re going to vote now.” He totally slew me with that one.

  85. 85.

    Angry Black Lady

    April 7, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    @Joe Beese: and what is the topic of your doctoral thesis?

  86. 86.

    Mnemosyne

    April 7, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    @Joe Beese:

    And Steven Spielberg submitted Schindler’s List as his senior project to get his BA from Cal State Long Beach. What’s your point?

    ETA: Brooke Shields wrote her senior thesis on the films of Louis Malle, including the one she starred in. Should we take her degree away, too?

  87. 87.

    Angry Black Lady

    April 7, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    @Cris: yes! i noticed that too. brilliant.

  88. 88.

    Angry Black Lady

    April 7, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    @reality-based educator: didn’t he recently talk about standardized tests being punitive and not wanting that to be the sole basis for measuring success? it was my understanding that he doesn’t intend to extend bush’s policies.

    i admit, i do not know much about his education policy. i was simply restating what Dr. Battle stated. if you have links at the ready, that’d be great. a’ googlin’ i will go.

    ETA: Here’s ED Kain on the subject. http://blogs.forbes.com/erikkain/2011/03/29/president-obama-says-standardized-tests-make-education-boring-dont-adequately-measure-performance/

  89. 89.

    Angry Black Lady

    April 7, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    @Violet: now imagine if obama was angry and bully pulpitty.

    white people would be runnin’ for the hills.

    ETA: cosby doesn’t seem angry to me at all. he just seems like a black man who sees black people not doing as well as he would like/they should. aside from disagreement about public policy, he places the onus on black people to raise themselves up and i respect him for that.
    ETA2: also, his son ennis was murdered. not an easy thing to live with.

  90. 90.

    prufrock

    April 7, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    @Joe Beese: Bill Cosby also earned his educator stripes by producing a video reading series that was used by, among others, the United States Marine Corps to bring its less advanced young enlisted personel up to a decent reading standard. In the Corps, we called the process of sending those Marines to that class “going to see Mr. Bill.”

    Snarky comment, but every Marine that went through that training ended the course a much improved reader.

  91. 91.

    prufrock

    April 7, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    @colleeniem: So he went outside and spit on him!

  92. 92.

    Corner Stone

    April 7, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    Did someone say…clown?

  93. 93.

    Midnight Marauder

    April 7, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    @Scott:

    Couldn’t believe that Cosby wasn’t sucking the Donald’s wingwang and went into panicked shut-down mode.

    I think Dave Chappelle put it best during his For What It’s Worth special:

    “Look at what happened to Bill Cosby. Bill Cosby said some real shit and the whole world freaked out on him. For what? For having an opinion? Just because he was selling pudding pops for the last 40 years, people forget that he’s a nigga from Philly, in the projects, and he might say some real shit from time to time.”

  94. 94.

    eemom

    April 7, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    @eemom:

    I meant, to tears, in case I didn’t put it across very precisely.

    Much commenting shall make thee incoherent.

  95. 95.

    Karen

    April 7, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    Er….isn’t Trump too much of a RINO for the new GOP?

  96. 96.

    James E Powell

    April 8, 2011 at 1:00 am

    @Karen:

    There is a question whether the wingnuts will accept a convert. We can check when Trump announces he is against teh gay.

  97. 97.

    Yutsano

    April 8, 2011 at 1:13 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    No offense to your kid, but a bowl of pudding knows more about politics than Trump.

    I saw what you did there.

  98. 98.

    w

    April 8, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Watching the Cosby Today Show video I was surprised that Cosby did not devolve to heavy ranting about slavery and white man crimes. This was not the first time I’ve seen his normal fake good father demeanor change into unadulterated hate as eh always manages to play the victim card. Wonder why Cosby and the Professor never managed to address Trump’s arguments about the non transparency of any Obama records????

  99. 99.

    Julia Grey

    April 8, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    @w:

    never managed to address Trump’s arguments about the non transparency of any Obama records

    What “arguments”? Oh, you mean the patent, repeatedly debunked falsehoods he’s peddling? Stuff he found on Internet conspiracy sites and in his ignorance (I’m being charitable here) he takes as amazing, newly discovered “facts”? That sort of thing is called a “Pierre Salinger,” and it was first laughed at all over the world about 15 years ago, IIRC.

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