Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Nothing worth doing is easy.

The cruelty is the point; the law be damned.

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

That’s my take and I am available for criticism at this time.

My years-long effort to drive family and friends away has really paid off this year.

Red lights blinking on democracy’s dashboard

Let us savor the impending downfall of lawless scoundrels who richly deserve the trouble barreling their way.

I’d like to think you all would remain faithful to me if i ever tried to have some of you killed.

The words do not have to be perfect.

Despite his magical powers, I don’t think Trump is thinking this through, to be honest.

Proof that we need a blogger ethics panel.

Accused of treason; bitches about the ratings. I am in awe.

Everybody saw this coming.

But frankly mr. cole, I’ll be happier when you get back to telling us to go fuck ourselves.

Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn.

People are complicated. Love is not.

Too often we hand the biggest microphones to the cynics and the critics who delight in declaring failure.

Nancy smash is sick of your bullshit.

The worst democrat is better than the best republican.

Hot air and ill-informed banter

Some judge needs to shut this circus down soon.

We still have time to mess this up!

“But what about the lurkers?”

Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to.

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The one good thing about this idiotic Wiener story is what a bad ass the tweetee, Gennette Cordova, has turned out to be:

“I was ‘Trojan horsed’ by an NY Post reporter who never said who he was or that he was interviewing me,” she tweeted.

Addressing the New York Post and Fenton, she tweeted: “You got that information surreptitiously and then passed if off as an interview.”

She added, “Then you proceeded to take my quotes out of context and STILL I don’t see how it’s newsworthy.”

[…..]

“If you want to know my position on this whole thing,” she added late Friday, “I suggest avoiding @Newyorkpost and @politico. It’s pure slop.”

Fuck Frank Bruni and put this woman on the Times editorial page.

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  2. 2.

    Yutsano

    Get her an internship with Dan Savage stat. She could get a good career going and she wouldn’t have to go far from home. Plus working for one of the coolest humans on the planet is a nice perk in and of itself.

  6. 6.

    Jewish Steel

    Speaking of the Times, I heard an interview with Jill Abramson, the new executive editor taking over for gormless lickspittle, Bill Keller.

    Has anyone else heard her talk? She has the most peculiar drawl. Is that some kind of East Coast prep school lockjaw or something?

    ETA: On May 8, 2007, Abramson was seriously injured in a truck-pedestrian traffic accident at the intersection of Seventh Avenue and 44th Street, a few blocks from The New York Times’s Times Square headquarters.

    Ah, now I look like a cad.

  7. 7.

    Yutsano

    @MikeJ: Well she’s still in college so I was thinking of accommodating that. However hell yeah if she wanted a full-time gig I bet Dan would hire her in a heartbeat.

  9. 9.

    TBogg

    Why is Reuven Fenton stalking “lucsious” young Twitter co-eds? Big Journalism should do a piece on that…

  11. 11.

    Jewish Steel

    @PeakVT: You missed some simpering horseshit, BK style fo sho.

    Note my edit above for red faced reply to my own question.

    Well, my excuse is that I’m not a journalist.

  12. 12.

    Lurleen

    She didn’t ask for the attention, but she has handled herself well. I think that is the take away from this and DougJ’s post.

    Compare and contrast.

    Had any of the NYT conservatives been attacked in the same way, they would have reacted badly, or overly.

    That’s the point.

  13. 13.

    Yutsano

    @Lurleen: A) She’s a journalism major, and The Stranger is a newspaper.

    B) Local, close to home, yet has a national voice in Savage. Her life would have less disruption that way. So really there’s a practicality there.

    Honestly, why not Savage?

  15. 15.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Jewish Steel: I heard that too — on today’s “On the Media” on NPR. And I agree, she has a very strange voice/drawl. Shouldn’t matter as far as her NYTimes credentials are concerned, but she might want to get some voice coaching if she expects to do a lot of radio and TV/cable interviews, just sayin.

  20. 20.

    Lurleen

    @Yutsano: DougJ suggested the NYT.

    I agreed. She’d be better than the current line up.

    And aren’t we segregating a bit by saying that an internship with Savage with a free daily weekly would be better than a paying gig at NYT?

  22. 22.

    Shoemaker-Levy 9

    Just want to point out again to non-Washington-staters, Bellingham is not a five minute taxi ride from SeaTac airport. If this Post reporter is actually from New York he went to a hell of a lot of trouble for this “interview”. Even if he is a local working for the Post it tells you all you need to know about this organization that they dispatched someone to the Fourth Corner to harass this woman.

  25. 25.

    Lurleen

    Again, I agree with DougJ that this particular woman has been through a lot and has always been on top of the people trying to ridicule her. That she has not folded under the pressure that others well protected from criticism and unwanted attention would makes her a hero in my eyes. She is a young woman who deserves respect. To ridicule her is awful. To marginalize her is worse.

  26. 26.

    shortstop

    I used to work with Savage’s mom. She was a super cool lady who is missed. That is all.

    Wait, no, it’s not. I remember her telling me that when Dan came out to her, her only negative feelings had to do with thinking that he probably wouldn’t be a parent, and she was certain he would have been such a bitchin’ parent. And by the time she told this story, he was…and he is. She was extremely proud of him.

  30. 30.

    shortstop

    @Lurleen: While there is little doubt that Cordova would be better than the current lineup at the NYT, the likelihood of them hiring a pro-Democrat J student from Western Washington U for a paying gig is slightly less than my getting hired by Sports Illustrated to appear in the next swimsuit issue. I think Yutsano was centering his suggestion in the reality-based world.

  31. 31.

    Lurleen

    @shortstop: So a post about a very strong woman turns into a defense of Dan Savage?

    Really?

    What Dan Savage has done with “It Gets Better” is phenomenal. What it has fuck all to do with post is a mystery.

  33. 33.

    shortstop

    @Lurleen: No. It was a mildly interesting, slightly OT story that I thought many readers here would appreciate. Are you insane, by chance?

  38. 38.

    Lurleen

    @shortstop: No I’m not, thank you very much. I remember you from the chron days when you had a blog.

    DougJ’s point is well founded. The young woman who was attack in this episode has responded in a way that the people currently on the NYT board of opinion would wilt at.

    You can make this about me all you want.

    It is in fact about a young woman who has more balls than Bobo.
    Take that to the bank.

  39. 39.

    shortstop

    @Yutsano: Forget Downstate. With climate change spawning all these weird weather events, I gotta know what people do with raccoons after they fall through the ceiling. I’m not sayin’ I need a single, solid answer, but I would like to compare the merits of various approaches.

  40. 40.

    shortstop

    @Lurleen: I’ve never had a blog, Miz Wallace. You’re imagining that, too.

    Everyone in this thread is agreeing with Doug’s point. Everyone. And by “everyone,” I mean “all the people here right now.” Let us know if you need that parsed.

  44. 44.

    Yutsano

    @shortstop: Since I have never had this happen to me personally, I have no real advice. Except repair the roof and sue the raccoon for the damages. Oh wait…

    @Jewish Steel: Just remember: shame curtains, they will not hang themselves.

  46. 46.

    shortstop

    @Jewish Steel: Oh, noooooo; I’m not about to go look at that.

    Your friend with the raccoon and the non-party. Once or twice I have found myself wondering about the practicalities of addressing that. Because, you know, we have no other problems for me to worry about that.

  47. 47.

    Jewish Steel

    @Yutsano: I look at the bright side. Cads are usually snappy dressers. I will order a bowler and start my mustache tonight.

  49. 49.

    Lurleen

    And you all have made it about yourselves and not the topic of the post.

    Well played.

  51. 51.

    cbear

    @shortstop: What’s this about a racoon?

    Wait, don’t tell me—some sex-crazed gooper got caught fucking one, right?

    What is with those people? My god, the horror of it all.

  53. 53.

    Jewish Steel

    @cbear: My gf sent me a text informing me that a party she was attending was cancelled; a raccoon had fallen thru the ceiling.

  55. 55.

    slag

    As someone who has zealously not followed Wienergate, I’m wondering if someone can summarize the denouement (I dare not ask about the climax).

  56. 56.

    cbear

    @Jewish Steel: Wait a minute—the gooper is saying some random racoon fell out of the ceiling and landed on his dick?
    And what was your gf doing at a gooper party?
    I’m so confused.

  57. 57.

    Lurleen

    So let’s recap: DougJ suggests that a young woman should have a place at the table of the NYT. A female here thinks that cheering said young woman get an unpaid internship with a free weekly is a tag-along is fine and not bigoted.

    When this is pointed out, everyone starts talking about raccoons.

    This post was about how a young woman was able to fight off pests. Some of you have been exposed as pests.

    Deal already.

  58. 58.

    Lurleen

    So let’s recap: DougJ suggests that a young woman should have a place at the table of the NYT. A female here thinks that cheering said young woman get an unpaid internship with a free weekly is a tag-along is fine and not bigoted.

    When this is pointed out, everyone starts talking about raccoons.

    This post was about how a young woman was able to fight off pests. Some of you have been exposed as pests.

    Deal already.

  59. 59.

    Lurleen

    So let’s recap: DougJ suggests that a young woman should have a place at the table of the NYT. A female here thinks that cheering said young woman get an unpaid internship with a free weekly as a tag-along is fine and not bigoted.

    When this is pointed out, everyone starts talking about raccoons.

    This post was about how a young woman was able to fight off pests. Some of you have been exposed as pests.

    Deal already.

  60. 60.

    shortstop

    @shortstop: Just to clarify, I thoroughly enjoy SPaT’s posts. I meant I wasn’t up for reading a display of spiraling late-night crazy in the comments. I read Sarah’s piece and I’m a better woman for it; ima skip the responses.

  63. 63.

    Mark B

    I’ve had problems with raccoons myself, although it was more that they were coming through the cat door and raiding the cat food than invading the attic. You can chase them out, but they just come right back in as soon as the ruckus dies down. I was told that the sound of a human voice would discourage them, so I placed a radio and tuned it to the all night talk radio station which plays Art Bell, Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh all night long. Didn’t discourage them at all, but to be fair, those voices aren’t all that human. And even worse, the raccoons are now libertarians.

    I’ve even heard of raccoons falling through ceilings before, but in that case it was a really ramshackle house in real need of serious repair.

  64. 64.

    Yutsano

    @Lurleen:

    A female here thinks that cheering said young woman get an unpaid internship with a free weekly is a tag-along is fine and not bigoted.

    You fail already. And you are definitely new here or being deliberately obtuse.

    This post was about how a young woman was able to fight off pests. Some of you have been exposed as pests.

    Confession is good for the soul dear. Now if you’ll just admit you’re a sockpuppet we’ll get on with our lives.

  65. 65.

    slag

    @Lurleen: I believe the upshot of the contretemps, if I may summarize, is that people here generally hold Dan Savage in higher regard than they do the NYT editorial board. Paid or unpaid.

  66. 66.

    Yutsano

    @slag: Miss Cordova would definitely ass a lot of class and panache to the NYT editorial board true. But it seems rather…conventional and boring, two things it seems she definitively is not.

  67. 67.

    Lurleen

    I will try, once again to say, that this young woman deserves a place on the NYT editorial board, having lived her life, more so than the person who lives and posts there.

    You all having a grudge against her or me doesn’t matter.

    Can’t you understand that? Without all of the bigotry involved with starting right out marginalizing her?

  68. 68.

    Jewish Steel

    @cbear: I think that was Lurleen I saw washing her food in the creek. I followed her back to her IP address and saw that she had stolen every shiny hood ornament in the neighborhood!

    But she’s just such a cutie with those little bandit eyes.

  69. 69.

    shortstop

    @Mark B: The voices faze them not at all. We’ve had them charging through (unscreened) cabins and making off with every unsecured provision while we were in the next room playing boisterous poker.

  70. 70.

    shortstop

    Now with extraneous and erroneous punctuation!

    @Mark B: The voices faze them not at all. We’ve had them charging through (unscreened) cabins and making off with every unsecured provision while we were in the next room playing boisterous po.k.er.

  71. 71.

    Svensker

    @cbear:

    You’re not concerned that the goopers are now humping helpless racoons? Have you no humanity?

    You haven’t seen the girth on the raccoons hanging out in my back garden. The male must weight 70 pounds. Just Rick Santorum’s size.

  72. 72.

    Comrade Mary

    I once saw a Lurleen on my garage roof here in Toronto. Stubborn little fucker tried to engage me in a staredown, but then my neighbours put out their Green Bin and it scrambled down for a snack. Too bad it couldn’t figure out how to undo the latch.

  73. 73.

    MattR

    @Lurleen: How exactly is it marginalizing her to recognize that she does not have the resume required to join the NYT editorial board? It would be wonderful if they would invite her to join, but it is not demeaning to her to recognize the reality that they won’t.

    PS. I highly recommend putting down the shovel. You’ve dug yourself a deep enough hole with your incorrect assumptions about the people here.

  75. 75.

    shortstop

    If this Lurleen character weren’t to Sarah what patriotusa76 is to Cordova and Weiner, I’d be convinced it’s Doug.

  76. 76.

    cbear

    @Jewish Steel: Which one do you think set the gooper off first—that cute little handwashing thingy, or the sexy mask?
    I suppose we should be grateful she survived the attack, but does she have to be so damn annoying?

  77. 77.

    Lurleen

    @Comrade Mary: Now that’s funny. Of all of the places I have lived or visited, your corner of the world is not one of them.

    What is your opinion about whether the young woman attacked by people with little else to do with their time is?

  80. 80.

    Jewish Steel

    A Lurleen will lead a coonhound into deep water and try to drown it by jumping on its head. The are tenacious and clever.

    @Lurleen:

    what you are saying is nonsense.

    You take it back!

    But sexist.

    speciesist

  81. 81.

    cbear

    @Svensker: So, it was Santorum that got busted banging the racoon? That sounds about right.
    Has he pledged to not abort the baby?

  82. 82.

    tkogrumpy

    Now that Lurleen has highjacked this post about racoons, I can’t remember what it was I wanted to say. See what you did there Lurleen?

  83. 83.

    slag

    @Yutsano: I hear you. Plus, The Stranger never tried to pawn off the Iraq War on us, if I recall correctly. NYT has a bit of a credibility problem in that regard.

    That said, can you give me the denouement of Wienergate? Was there a resolution? I don’t want to have to know anything about it other than the outcome, if there was one.

  84. 84.

    Lurleen

    @Jewish Steel: But it’s ok for a female to dumb down a suggestion from a front pager of a job at the NYT to a weekly.

    Oh yes, that is bigotry.

    Happens here all the time.

    You decide that what DougJ is yours to own and then proceed to foam finger a female who decides that it’s ok to relegate said female to a weekly.

    Got it.

  85. 85.

    shortstop

    @slag: No real resolution yet, but the coverage has faded. You might say we’re in a refractory period, although the story may not be up for round two.

  87. 87.

    MattR

    @Lurleen:

    But it’s ok for a female to dumb down a suggestion from a front pager of a job at the NYT to a weekly.

    Other than the fact that the commenter in question is male, why should the sex of said commenter matter?

  89. 89.

    Lurleen

    @slag: She meant to say that every point is marginalized. Every point of the left is a marginalized issue. Everything a black person says is marginalized. Everything that a gay person says is marginalized to a weekly publication. She couldn’t make the big step to the NYT.

    Not is a negro minute. Or homo minute.

    Just more bigotry.

  90. 90.

    ppcli

    @shortstop: Let’s hope the story has an extended detumescence.

    As for Cordoba – yowsa! Last time I encountered a fox with that kind of sharp intelligence and fighting spirit I married her. [22 years next October, thanks for asking.]

  91. 91.

    cbear

    @shortstop: Yes, but the press may be able to tickle out additional details and the whole ugly thing may yet rear it’s head again.

  93. 93.

    TooManyJens

    @Lurleen:

    But it’s ok for a female to dumb down a suggestion from a front pager of a job at the NYT to a weekly.

    Do you think it’s at all possible that DougJ’s suggestion of a job at the NYT was, perhaps, just a tiny bit hyperbolic?

    I also really find it weird when people call women “females.” Unless they’re Ferengis, then I guess it’s normal.

  94. 94.

    shortstop

    @ppcli: Congratulations! And we got married the month before you did. Don’t worry; we’re sure you love her even though you dragged your heels in making that commitment.

  96. 96.

    Ed Marshall

    @Lurleen:

    Why do the black olives have to be in a can and the green olives are in a jar? You ever think about that?

  97. 97.

    Lyrebird

    Wow, is this where junior concern trolls come for training?

    And thanks DougJ for a great article, and Yutsano & shortstop for really interesting backstory on Savage. Plus useful examples of awesome internship suggestions. I’ve once (so far) connected one of my students w/an internship of her dreams, that is an awesome feeling I would like to encounter again.

  99. 99.

    she's crafty

    @Lurleen: You might be slightly more convincing if you didn’t refer to human women as “females,” a noun typically used to refer to livestock.

  105. 105.

    MikeJ

    @Joel: Use it? I ported it and added a UI. And a raccoon. Yes, I added a raccoon to the pie filter. It’s just in the nightlies now though. Only on GitRaccoonhub.

  113. 113.

    Triassic Sands

    Ignoring this “story” has become tedious. Good for Cordova for calling the Post and Politco out for what they are — drivel mongers.

    It would be nice if there were a way to sanction the Post “reporter,” who seems to have a very modern view of ethics.

    It is rare indeed for Americans to refuse to get dragged into our despicable media circus. Kudos to Cordova. I hope she holds the line.

  117. 117.

    Lurleen

    many of you don’t know that people like RedKitten were involved in a scenario that was more than funny and involved people playing at one game or another.

    Just check out Red Kitten and you will know how silly all you defenders are.

    It’s just all friends and you think you are important.

  120. 120.

    shortstop

    Much of this thread sounds like English translated badly into another language and then badly translated back again. I include my own contributions, of course.

  121. 121.

    Lurleen

    The game that Red Kitten and others played reminds me of this
    Weiner scandal.

    It used to be fun, but now it hurts.

    Different days different ways.

  123. 123.

    Svensker

    Do you all find that raccoons falling from the ceiling make more sense than other things that are falling around here?

  124. 124.

    TooManyJens

    @shortstop: I had a small house of brokerage on Wall Street. Many days no business come to my hut. But Jimmy has fear? A thousand times no! I never doubted myself for a minute for I knew my monkey strong bowels were skirted with strength like the loins of a dragon ribboned with fat and the opulence of buffalo dung.

    The glorious sunset of my heart was fading. Soon, the super karate monkey death car would park in my space. But Jimmy had fancy plans…and pants to match. The monkey clown horrible karate, round and yummy like a cute small baby chick, would beat the donkey.

    That clown, making like super American car racers, I would make him sweat. War war.

    Feel my skills, donkey donkey donkey donkey donkey.

  125. 125.

    Ed Marshall

    @Lurleen:

    I’m really not even sure what I’m defending. What is a Red Kitten, who am I defending, and what does it have to do with this odd tangent that has you angry?

  129. 129.

    MikeJ

    @Jewish Steel:

    That’s fair. I’ll turn or spit.

    I never understood Amy. She wouldn’t turn, but then she would spit. If you don’t like the taste, it seems like you would turn beforehand. I just don’t understand the spitting.

  130. 130.

    shortstop

    @TooManyJens: The third baseman just came stomping out of the bedroom, presented his compliments and suggested I might want to tone down the hyena sounds.

  133. 133.

    shortstop

    @Lurleen: Kronos was the mountain of my blog and spackle was the word my enemy wore as her label and that. See you now?

  139. 139.

    Svensker

    @MattR:

    Completely OT, did you ever find a place and move? We ended up in Toronto, which was something of a surprise. Pleasant surprise, I might add!

    ETA: And having asked that, I must run away. Pumpkin time!

  140. 140.

    cbear

    @Svensker: I think she was the one that witnessed Santorum’s sexual abuse of the racoon. That had to be ugly.
    No wonder she’s traumatised.

  141. 141.

    shortstop

    @TooManyJens: I’m still laughing.

    @Svensker: Only JS can say for sure, but given the course of events here tonight, she might hate that thing most of all. Note how I skirt over the fact that the first mention of a raccoon was mine. You may all have forgotten it, but I assure you, Lurleen has not.

    Good night, my little procynonids!

  142. 142.

    arguingwithsignposts

    @Lurleen: Lurleen, you should just stop. FWIW, the world doesn’t start and end with the NYT. and Dan Savage has done more to influence Rick Santorum’s political career than Ross Douthat could ever do at the NYT, and yet, I think there is a larger issue that bears examining – why everyone has to look to the NYT as some sort of Mecca. They are snobs too. Bill Keller thinks twitter makes you dumb. they kowtow to the hampton elites. they slobber over the oddest people in the weekend magazine. It’s not like the NYT is any different than any other newspaper in the world. They just happen to be in the most populated city in the United States. Fuck, they employ David Fucking Brooks.

  143. 143.

    Mark S.

    @shortstop:

    Much of this thread sounds like English translated badly into another language and then badly translated back again.

    That’s the damn truth, and I’m too tired to figure it out. But there is one thing I do understand, and that is Chunky Bobo is still an idiot:

    If participating in a suicide is legally and ethically acceptable, in other words, it can’t just be because cancer is brutal and dementia is dehumanizing. It can only be because there’s a right to suicide.

    God I hate these kind of arguments. There are a lot of these that are legal that you don’t have a right to. It is legal to drive but you don’t have a right to. It is legal to receive health care but you don’t have a right to it. I don’t know why conservatives think if you don’t have a right bestowed upon you by God or the Constitution it all the sudden means it’s illegal.

    And once we allow that such a right exists, the arguments for confining it to the dying seem arbitrary at best. We are all dying, day by day: do the terminally ill really occupy a completely different moral category from the rest?

    Those fucking terminally ill bastards get all the breaks! Just like the blacks and the gays!

    Douthart really isn’t any smarter than Rush Limbaugh. He just dresses his white resentment up in more flowery language.

  145. 145.

    MattR

    @Svensker: Nope. Market too dead to sell so I gave up since there was no major need other than convenience. Will think about it again come New Year’s.

    Love Toronto. Used to travel there for business quite frequently, though not anymore – my final trip up there was in March. If I ever have to escape to the Great White North I am torn between Toronto and Vancouver.

    @Mark S.: Personally, I have never understood the idea the suicide is a crime. If you are of sound mind and decide that this world is no longer for you, I would love to convince you otherwise but I won’t stop you if you decide to end your life. It also seems to run counter to the conservative principles of personal responsibility and keeping government small and non-intrusive to legislate against suicide.

  146. 146.

    eemom

    once I witnessed a young woman who was clearly mentally ill, though trying to appear normal, being mocked by a group of children.

    I think that’s what is happening here, substituting the ambiguities of cybercommunication for the innocent cruelty of children.

  149. 149.

    Mark B

    @eemom: The difference being that the child is trapped in the situation, and adults on the internet choose to be there. Mocking the stupid is a time-honored Internet tradition … Really, you don’t have to play by the Marquis of Queensbury rules in a comment thread. If someone else isn’t acting in good faith, you are allowed to jerk them around, as far as I’m concerned.

  150. 150.

    Dee Loralei

    @Lurleen: Dear God, are you always this obtuse? We think Yutsano is a male because he says he is a male. We think Shortstop is a female because she says she is and often talks about The Second Basemen who is her husband. We all think Gennette Cordova is a woman. I think you are getting your pronouns all mis-assigned when you’ve been chatting here tonight. Because no one is that blissfully stupid, unless it is willingly so.

    When DougJ. ( also a male) suggested the NYT hire Cordova (please note that I am using Ms. Cordova’s last name as an identifier, according her the same respect I would give any male newsmaker.) to be on their editorial staff, he was practicing something most educated humans know as hyperbole. ( I’ll allow you av million minutes to look-up a definition.)

    Male Commenter “Yutsano” agreed Cordova deserved some high accolades and the offer of a permanent job, or at the very least an internship with a prestigious publication, because she has shown herself to be a stand-up, honest and straight-forward broker of information, and one who was not afraid to confront the status quo. Cordova deserves everyone’s respect for that. ( Afflicting the comfortable is one of the higher callings of the old fashioned journalist.)

    Yutsano also noticed ( as did all who read the linked article) that Cordova,is attending an institute of higher learning and is a journalism major at a local community college. And that a group of inbred parochials who attend Yale, Harvard and Princeton and end up writing for the NYT, the WaPO, The LATimes etc, would not gleefully welcome amongst their hallowed halls a “simple girl” from a “community college” immediately into their midsts. Not even to fetch coffee. That’s for the folks from the lesser Ivies and Northwestern, etc.

    Yutsano’s quick, spur of the moment fix was to have her intern at a respectable local journalism establishment, which wouldn’t cost her any out of pocket expenses such as she might incur moving to NYC or DC. But would give her some cred she might be able to use later on in order to get a more prestigious job. And he was giving her a leg up and a way in to eventually get that job on the editorial writing staff of the NYT. She just needs to prove herself to be more capable that the class of journalists that comes from the Ivies.

  151. 151.

    MikeJ

    @Mark B: I’m with you. There’s no reason to assume that everybody on the internet is as retarded as they act.

  152. 152.

    cbear

    @eemom: I don’t think sockpuppets are quite as sensitive as you may imagine, although I’m sure you can come up with some new -ism to blame for their abuse.

  153. 153.

    Lurleen

    @Dee Loralei: been her longer than you.

    It’s also a norm that the females on this blog are behind the times.

    Just look at SPT claiming she is the same as Hunter Thompson.

    You figure it out.

  154. 154.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @TooManyJens: Worse, the troll is referring to Yutsy as female. If it weren’t so obviously insane, I’d suspect Doug J and shout “Bravo.” (You have my email, and I’ll never tell.)

  155. 155.

    Yutsano

    @Mark S.:

    do the terminally ill really occupy a completely different moral category from the rest?

    Teh stoopid, it burns.

    @Dee Loralei: Wow. I can’t really say anything more there really. And yes I do indeed possess a phallus on my anatomy.

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Sigh. What does a gay man gotta do to get any respect around here? Do I gotta prove my homosexual bona fides?

  159. 159.

    Jewish Steel

    @eemom: Yes, as I am working here I was considering the same thing. The only thing is that SPaT indicated the the subject in questions was a known poster sock puppeting. I’ve only been here c. 1y, so if there is a known poster who is also subject to paranoid delusions (I know, I know, I mean of the schizophrenic kind) I am unaware of them.

  160. 160.

    cbear

    @Lurleen: Jeez DougJ, wasn’t that just a little too obvious, dude? And you were doing so well up to now, almost 3 hrs in character. Salute.

  163. 163.

    Jewish Steel

    FYWP!

    Lemme try that again:

    @eemom: Yes, as I am working here I was considering the same thing. The only thing is that SPaT indicated the the subject in questions was a known poster sock puppeting. I’ve only been here c. 1y, so if there is a known poster who is also subject to paranoid delusions (I know, I know, I mean of the schizophrenic kind) I am unaware of them.

  164. 164.

    eemom

    @Mark B:

    there’s a difference between stupid/not acting in good faith, and mentally disturbed. Mentally disturbed people do occasionally post on blogs. There was an infamous example over at FDL a few years back where such a person was actually elevated to the status of a front-pager based on his delusions of grandeur — a splendiforous example of Lady Jane’s rigorous rules of fact-checking — before the truth became sadly apparent.

    fwiw, there were a couple of folks on good Sarah’s thread last night who concurred in my suspicion. But maybe y’all are right — maybe it is just a troll and/or sock puppet. I don’t know.

  165. 165.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Yutsano: I was trying to respect you. I didn’t know you wanted to be called “she.” Have a dandy evening there sweet pea.

    And everybody else too. Pumpkin time here chez Q.

  170. 170.

    MikeJ

    @Yutsano: So are we having beers or gin and stuff with SoBeale shows?

    Can we hereby declare that SoBeale is responsible for reminding us a week or two in advance and helping set up the meet?

  171. 171.

    Yutsano

    @MikeJ: Pick a downtown Irish pub. Any downtown Irish pub. I’ll do my damndest to show up. Ad since SoBeale is the one who knows her schedule, then I agree she should gently remind us when the day gets closer.

  172. 172.

    MikeJ

    @Yutsano: Why Irish? Nothing against Irish (heck, my ancestors invaded and killed thousands of them), but given all the places in Seattle I’d probably go with one of the best cocktail bars in the US, Zig Zag.

    But Irish is fine with me.

  174. 174.

    Dee Loralei

    @MikeJ: @Yutsano: Well hell if we’re planning drinks, I’ll be in N’Awlins last weekend in June. Anyone wanna meet up?

    @Yutsano: I almost never ever talk to the trolls, this one pissed me off. Especially when one claims sexist shit where none exists. It diminishes the real sexist shit that’s been coming from real Republican State Houses, Governorships and the US House.

    Let’s be honest here, we all know that there will be a class war soon , unless things drastically change, and folks get back to work making enough money to survive, save and to occasionally splurge. Something that harkens to the French Revolution, guillotines and all, plus a lot of new stuff, ( they were the ones who made torture acceptable.)

    But the men and the women who voted in every way to make a woman’s autonomy lesser will be treated accordingly. And the ones who think rape or incest are OK reasons to force a woman to carry to term a baby she does not want, will face a special plebiscite.

    I’m mostly a lazy ass, so none of the violence will be from me. But fuck yea, will I cheer it on!

  175. 175.

    Yutsano

    @MikeJ: No particular reason or bias other than proximity to my workplace and where I park my car. There just happen to be several Irish pubs not far from the Jackson Federal Building. It’s what happens when you’re that close to Pioneer Square. I’m pretty flexible for just about anywhere.

  177. 177.

    ruemara

    I checked back in for some late evening humour and this fit the bill. I think I like Ms. Cordoba. But this thread has me very confused. How is what offensive what what now?

  178. 178.

    Bill Murray

    @Yutsano:

    And yes I do indeed possess a phallus on my anatomy.

    and you promise someday to give it back to Mr. Bobbitt

  179. 179.

    Dee Loralei

    @Lurleen: Dear God, you silly, insuferable twit of a twat, SPandT never claimed to be Hunter S. Thompson, though she may have claimed to do him. She’s more Johnathan Swift. More Mark Twain and Will Rogers. More Jane Austin and latter day Edith Wharton. In other words “she” has all the bona fides and the mannerisms of a well bred society maven, but none of the actual hangups of said class of people. ( Ok, other than her desire to kill and harm her said class of folks.)

    Pro/tip: when one pretends to be from the noble class, one does not acquire a voice from the untermenschen.

    I don’t give a flying fuck how old Sarah is, or what her sex is. She’s mostly a hoot to read. And I appreciate that about the persona of Sarah Plain and Tall, ever so much more than I appreciate the persona that is ” Lurleen.”

  185. 185.

    Gromitt Gunn (formerly JMC_in_the_ATL)

    The only other Lurleen I know online is a front pager at the Blend. Please let this not be the same person.

    (Oh, since I’m no longer in the ATL, it was time for a change. I’m sure Ms. Duinne will be happy to have her initials back!)

  189. 189.

    JGabriel

    @Jewish Steel:

    Ah, now I look like a cad.

    If it makes you feel better — or at least a little less alone — I onced mocked Carly Fiorina for looking like a cross between Pee Wee Herman and Max Von Sydow, right before finding out she had cancer.

    I just remind myself that, no matter what any of us say of anyone, none of us will ever top Dick Cheney shooting a man in the face.

    .

  190. 190.

    bago

    Two comments.
    1 Lurleen is dense.
    2 Dan Savage is also a pretty decent DJ. Saw him at the re-bar not too long ago.

  191. 191.

    maus

    @Lurleen:

    What Dan Savage has done with “It Gets Better” is phenomenal. What it has fuck all to do with post is a mystery.

    It would help to read the explanations given before you respond.

    Dan Savage is a fatphobe, biphobe, and transphobe. You want to call that “coolest human?” Are you sure?

    1 partially, yes. 2 not quite. 3 I don’t see how. His specious “everyone is not designed to be monogamous and we should structure our sexual partners like bonobos” is also disappointing, but I still think he’s an OK person, and more positive than harmful on the whole.

    Nobody should take a Relationship/Sex column author as objective truth with all of their advice.

  192. 192.

    maus

    @193: I was at the Re-Bar last night! Jackie Beat + Bacon Strip, songs about assholes and stepping out for a bit to have corn dogs from City Market, couldn’t go wrong.

  193. 193.

    Sarah Proud and Tall

    @eemom:

    once I witnessed a young woman who was clearly mentally ill, though trying to appear normal, being mocked by a group of children. I think that’s what is happening here, substituting the ambiguities of cybercommunication for the innocent cruelty of children.

    I’m not sure if that’s what is happening. Who knows? I do know that I regret egging Lurlene on, whoever she is, and I particularly regret my IP address comment. It was a stupid thing to say, particularly as a fictional being myself. Glass houses and all that. The perils of being a new blogger.

    @Dee Loralei:

    @Lurleen: Dear God, you silly, insufferable twit of a twat, SPandT never claimed to be Hunter S. Thompson, though she may have claimed to do him. She’s more Johnathan Swift. More Mark Twain and Will Rogers. More Jane Austin and latter day Edith Wharton.

    I don’t think I belong in such august company, but thankyou dear.

  196. 196.

    grandpajohn

    @Mark B: Our Raccoons come through the door onto the back porch to raid the cat food, if the bowl is empty, they lift the lid on the big food container and climb in to feed, the used to turn the container over so I had to c lose it in. Sometimes however it the the Opossums that do the raiding instead of raccoons. By the way , I live in town and have these raiders oh and my wife sometimes when looking out the window at the little park across the street , notices the Deer running up the sidewalk or through the park, but so far that haven ‘t got on the back porch

  197. 197.

    Bulworth

    “If you want to know my position on this whole thing,” she added late Friday, “I suggest avoiding @Newyorkpost and @politico. It’s pure slop.”

    Bonus points for calling out Politico.

  198. 198.

    Catsy

    Lurleen actually reminds me quite a lot of my ex from eons ago. Crazy as crazy gets while still being able to string words together into (more or less) grammatical sentences, but don’t make the mistake of thinking her crazy is about you.

    The tell is in this non-sequitur:

    So let’s recap: DougJ suggests that a young woman should have a place at the table of the NYT. A female here thinks that cheering said young woman get an unpaid internship with a free weekly is a tag-along is fine and not bigoted.

    Or, in an alternative universe where not everyone is motivated by sexism, there are a number of other possible explanations, most of which have been suggested upthread and soared so far over Lurleen’s head that she couldn’t find them with the Hubble and a PhD in astrophysics. These include:

    – Dan Savage is relatively local to this young woman, whereas the NYT is on the opposite coast–and she might not, you know, want to relocate like that

    – Most people here not only hold Dan Savage and his work in much higher regard than the glorified stenography that passes for journamalism at the NYT, they would view such an internship as a mark of great prestige rather than an insult by comparison

    – DougJ routinely closes posts with hyperbolic one-liners, and it stretches plausibility to think that anyone–man or woman–who hasn’t yet graduated from college would be given a paid gig at the NYT, which places far more value on credentials than credibility

    – Internships are an entirely appropriate suggestion as a path to a career for a college student

    These are fairly obvious points that shouldn’t have to be called out this bluntly. Anyone both following this story and familiar with Savage would know of the geographical connection, and any regular reader of B-J would be well aware of both the general esteem in which we hold Savage and DougJ’s hyperbolic writing style.

    One possibility is that Lurleen is a sockpuppet or an entity otherwise arguing in bad faith. I prefer to avoid accusations of bad faith without evidence, so it seems more charitable to assume that Lurleen is simply unaware of the culture of Ballon Juice, the details of this story, or Internet traditions in general.

    That’s okay.

    But it does leave Lurleen in the embarrassing position of having made an accusation of sexism absent any evidence whatsoever of such. There certainly wasn’t anything inherently sexist about the internship suggestion. Nobody made any kind of qualifying statement that hinged on her gender, implied or otherwise. Lurleen has yet to–in this entire thread–present a single quote from anyone which led her to suspect sexism.

    Funny thing, that. I’m pretty sure there’s a word for people who try to make an issue about a person’s gender rather than their qualifications or merits, and who categorize the world and the people in it in terms of their gender rather than their individual circumstances.

    Oh, right! That’s sexism.

    If the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem becomes a nail. Congratulations on being a first-order tool, Lurleen. If you find that you’re seeing sexism around every corner, there’s a good chance that it’s you who’s putting it there.

  199. 199.

    Church Lady

    If Genette Cordova didn’t get the dic pic from Weiner, she must be one of few of his followers that never received that type of gift. It looks like gals are now coming out of the woodwork to share their Weiner pics and private conversations between them and the horn dog Congressman Anyone want to guess the date for his resignation announcement?

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