why isn’t aipac registered under the foreign agents registration act?
why aren’t members of the senate/house listed as lobbying agents for israel?
why does this one small country have such complete control over our government?
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Villago Delenda Est
Look, these guys claimed Obama was going to force Bibi back to the 1967 boundaries with absolutely no conditions, modifiers, or any other verbiage whatsoever and this was TOTALLY NEW US policy when in fact it was not different in substance from anything the US has said for 40 fucking years.
So, as burnspqesq says, this is a surprise? That they’re maliciously rephrasing what Simon said?
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chopper
but…but…all this freaking out is going to guarantee that nothing comes of the peace process!
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Villago Delenda Est
but…but…all this freaking out is going to guarantee that nothing comes of the peace process!
DING DING DING DING DING!
Bibi doesn’t want any peace process. He’s happy with the situation as it is. He’s willing to sacrifice a few Jewish lives (and a whole lot of Arab lives) to the inevitable terrorist attacks and the obligatory reprisals to maintain the status quo.
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Elizabelle
Jennifer Rubin is a tool. The real shame is The Washington Post’s, for employing her.
It demeans them.
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4jkb4ia
Outstandingly done link–but she is making things up about the same thing she was on Sunday. To clarify. For the thread.
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BGinCHI
How do you say “whoring yourself out” in Hebrew?
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Whiskey Screams from a Guy With No Short-Term Memory
From the linked article:
And I don’t know where Jennifer Rubin, the “Right Turn” columnist, is getting her info.
“Right Turn” is the same PAC that just released the “Give Me Your Cash, Bitch” attack ad against Janice Hahn. I think that may put some context into the discussion here.
10.
Steve
I’m not surprised Greg Sargent turned out to be right on this one. He’s one of the few bloggers known for actual reporting and he has always been solid.
I’m glad to see other folks have this opinion too.
Also, to whore oneself out:
אל זונה עצמך החוצה
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NobodySpecial
I don’t know why anyone takes anything a reporter says at face value or anything close to face value.
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catclub
I thought it was ‘running after false gods’.
Don’t know Hebrew.
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Villago Delenda Est
Whiskey, I don’t think that the two are directly related. “Right Turn” is Pravda on the Potomac’s cute little name for its right-leaning columnists. The PAC is a pretty new thing put together (perhaps the name is inspired by the WaPo, who knows?) to get that one ad out, from what we know so far.
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eemom
I’ve never read this Rubin, but she sounds like Krauthammer in drag. I guess the Post figured one of him wasn’t toxic enough.
@Elizabelle At this point the only thing left for the WaPo to demean is the readers. Rubin is no different from Kraphammer and a whole line of other conservative opinion writers published by Hiatt.
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Commenting at Balloon Juice since 1937
Has the Zionist Organization of America renounced terrorism? in particular the actions of the Etzel and Stern Gang? and the Jewish Defense League?
For the record, I renounce Stalin, broccoli, and the Stern Gang. But I’m not an official body and I’m not even Jewish.
However, consider this fact:
In the deepest part of the Holocaust, only the paranoid and violent assholes survived. Therefore many of the first settlers in Israel after WWII were indeed paranoid and violent assholes. And several of them were what we would today call terrorists.
The fact that the Palestinians, etc. didn’t have anything to do with the Holocaust doesn’t prevent this fact from being a factor.
Most of the survivors are gone now and it is time for their progeny and successors to move on and deal with issues in a more constructive manner.
ETA: Actually, I lied. I like broccoli. :-)
20.
wetsteint
Jennifer Rubin is a profoundly beautiful woman. Say what you want about her politics, she is a beautiful, beautiful woman.
Usually you don’t find such physical beauty among DC dork/hacks. Usually women as beautiful as Jennifer Rubin go into modelling.
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wetsteint
Jennifer Rubin is a profoundly beautiful woman. Say what you want about her politics, she is a beautiful, beautiful woman.
Usually you don’t find such physical beauty among DC dork/hacks. Usually women as beautiful as Jennifer Rubin go into modelling.
22.
DZ
@Commenting at Balloon Juice since 1937:
Re #17, WTF? Is ZOA the new ZOG? The Stern Gang was, at least in part, a terrorist organization by any objective standard. The JDL was considered, even by Israel, to be a terrorist organization at one time but seems to have moved away from violence. Baruch Goldstein, a Jewish terrorist who murdered 29 Palestinas, was a charter member of JDL. Not as bad as Kahane Chai but still disgusting. I’m a Jew and have never heard of Etzel. Sheltered upbringing maybe.
23.
Pococurante
In the deepest part of the Holocaust, only the paranoid and violent assholes survived.
Um. Wow.
Just wow.
24.
Yutsano
Jennifer Rubin is a profoundly beautiful woman. Say what you want about her politics, she is a beautiful, beautiful woman.
If you have a point here, it has been lost. No one here said anything anywhere about Rubin’s relative attractiveness. Plus good-looking people are perfectly capable of being dishonest hacks.
@Yutsano: I think wet was trying to make a funny. There’s another Jennifer Rubin who is a model and actress. Whatever the point, it was a lame comment, and posting it twice didn’t help.
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BGinCHI
Yutsano, you know who else was a beautiful woman?
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Elizabelle
at wetstaint:
Jennifer Rubin a beautiful woman? Not apparent from this pic. Meh.
I was worried we had another case of starbursts at a beautiful woman saying provably false stuff. Why does the right wing thrill at this?
28.
Xenos
Now of course, the process of surviving the holocaust might tend to make someone a bit traumatized, paranoid, willing to resort to violence. Might even make those zionist settlers a bit militant…
Linda’s formulation seems to assume a pre-holocaust criminality being associated with survivors, which is historically ludicrous and wanders into some well-established antisemitic propaganda (survivors = Israelis = Kapos). I will assume that is not where she meant to go, but sheesh! Sometimes it is dicey to go into these discussions for good reason.
29.
kindness
Where are the ‘Reply’ tags? They’re missing.
Rubin isn’t Krauthammer in drag….he’d be cuter.
30.
tomvox1
Jennifer Rubin yet another a lying Neocon propagandist employed by the WaPo? Who’d a thunk?
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El Cid
Do Palestinians ever need to know that *their* basic security needs will be met?
I do think the Israeli government will indeed eventually sign a peace agreement with recognition of a Palestinian state.
But only after they take every single thing they might want from the West Bank and Jerusalem, every bit of land (lots of arable land there for the taking!), every resource (water’s great!), every block, every site.
And after they criss-cross the West Bank with so many roads and walls and settlements and so forth that the Palestinian state created is an absolute joke — which everyone especially the US will pronounce as ‘viable’ and which Pal’s get to agree or go fuck themselves. The Pal’s still won’t control their borders or airspace, though maybe the former will be someone else’s troops doing what Israel (maybe via the US) says.
Once that’s done, they’ll be more than happy to leave the Pal’s with their husk, and then we all get to blame them for failing to make themselves into a great country since they now have the chance and all we’ve given them.
Plus it’ll be a great time for the rest of the region to stop pretending they care about the Pal’s and the conflict.
And it in no way will be limited to Netanyahu and “Likud,” just like it never has been, outside “Oslo” type offers that if only the Palestinians “negotiators” give up such an insane amount as a precursor that the population would simply revolt. Just like settlements have accelerated under Labor gov’ts more than Likud. Just like the leveling of Gaza was under Kadima. Oh, I did forget the pullot from that shit-hell-hole Gaza — oh, man, did the Israelis so mind losing that little crap strip.
so jennifer rubin pivots from what she can retreat to defend as inarguably legitimate concerns, to her particular hyper-agenda, and dares people to attack her for the pivot, when they do, they get rebutted with the legitimate concern part, hoping the absurd pivot will be ignored because of her capacity to express outrage, albeit misdirected and one-off the actual concern expressed.
funny you bring this up.
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Svensker
What El Cid said.
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daveNYC
I do think the Israeli government will indeed eventually sign a peace agreement with recognition of a Palestinian state.
__
But only after they take every single thing they might want from the West Bank and Jerusalem, every bit of land (lots of arable land there for the taking!), every resource (water’s great!), every block, every site.
I disagree. By the time Israel has expanded all the settlements, grabbed all the water, built all the roads, and taken all the land, their national outlook will have become so distorted that they will be unable to give the remnants over to the Palestinians. By that point, giving up even the smallest, most worthless piece of anything will be looked upon as ‘losing’ and they will be unable to do so.
Israel needs to get their shit together now, or in less than 50 years, they’ll no longer exist as Jewish Democracy. It’ll be one or the other, but not both.
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4jkb4ia
@Linda Featheringill:
That has to be from Google Translate or something. “Liznut” means “to prostitute oneself, be a harlot” all by itself.
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burnspbesq
Is this lying a surprise?
bkny
why isn’t aipac registered under the foreign agents registration act?
why aren’t members of the senate/house listed as lobbying agents for israel?
why does this one small country have such complete control over our government?
Villago Delenda Est
Look, these guys claimed Obama was going to force Bibi back to the 1967 boundaries with absolutely no conditions, modifiers, or any other verbiage whatsoever and this was TOTALLY NEW US policy when in fact it was not different in substance from anything the US has said for 40 fucking years.
So, as burnspqesq says, this is a surprise? That they’re maliciously rephrasing what Simon said?
chopper
but…but…all this freaking out is going to guarantee that nothing comes of the peace process!
Villago Delenda Est
DING DING DING DING DING!
Bibi doesn’t want any peace process. He’s happy with the situation as it is. He’s willing to sacrifice a few Jewish lives (and a whole lot of Arab lives) to the inevitable terrorist attacks and the obligatory reprisals to maintain the status quo.
Elizabelle
Jennifer Rubin is a tool. The real shame is The Washington Post’s, for employing her.
It demeans them.
4jkb4ia
Outstandingly done link–but she is making things up about the same thing she was on Sunday. To clarify. For the thread.
BGinCHI
How do you say “whoring yourself out” in Hebrew?
Whiskey Screams from a Guy With No Short-Term Memory
From the linked article:
“Right Turn” is the same PAC that just released the “Give Me Your Cash, Bitch” attack ad against Janice Hahn. I think that may put some context into the discussion here.
Steve
I’m not surprised Greg Sargent turned out to be right on this one. He’s one of the few bloggers known for actual reporting and he has always been solid.
Linda Featheringill
I’m glad to see other folks have this opinion too.
Also, to whore oneself out:
אל זונה עצמך החוצה
NobodySpecial
I don’t know why anyone takes anything a reporter says at face value or anything close to face value.
catclub
I thought it was ‘running after false gods’.
Don’t know Hebrew.
Villago Delenda Est
Whiskey, I don’t think that the two are directly related. “Right Turn” is Pravda on the Potomac’s cute little name for its right-leaning columnists. The PAC is a pretty new thing put together (perhaps the name is inspired by the WaPo, who knows?) to get that one ad out, from what we know so far.
eemom
I’ve never read this Rubin, but she sounds like Krauthammer in drag. I guess the Post figured one of him wasn’t toxic enough.
PeakVT
@Elizabelle At this point the only thing left for the WaPo to demean is the readers. Rubin is no different from Kraphammer and a whole line of other conservative opinion writers published by Hiatt.
Commenting at Balloon Juice since 1937
Has the Zionist Organization of America renounced terrorism? in particular the actions of the Etzel and Stern Gang? and the Jewish Defense League?
moe99
bububububut to criticize Rubin would be anti Semitic!
Linda Featheringill
Geez, the Stern Gang was active a long time ago.
For the record, I renounce Stalin, broccoli, and the Stern Gang. But I’m not an official body and I’m not even Jewish.
However, consider this fact:
In the deepest part of the Holocaust, only the paranoid and violent assholes survived. Therefore many of the first settlers in Israel after WWII were indeed paranoid and violent assholes. And several of them were what we would today call terrorists.
The fact that the Palestinians, etc. didn’t have anything to do with the Holocaust doesn’t prevent this fact from being a factor.
Most of the survivors are gone now and it is time for their progeny and successors to move on and deal with issues in a more constructive manner.
ETA: Actually, I lied. I like broccoli. :-)
wetsteint
Jennifer Rubin is a profoundly beautiful woman. Say what you want about her politics, she is a beautiful, beautiful woman.
Usually you don’t find such physical beauty among DC dork/hacks. Usually women as beautiful as Jennifer Rubin go into modelling.
wetsteint
Jennifer Rubin is a profoundly beautiful woman. Say what you want about her politics, she is a beautiful, beautiful woman.
Usually you don’t find such physical beauty among DC dork/hacks. Usually women as beautiful as Jennifer Rubin go into modelling.
DZ
@Commenting at Balloon Juice since 1937:
Re #17, WTF? Is ZOA the new ZOG? The Stern Gang was, at least in part, a terrorist organization by any objective standard. The JDL was considered, even by Israel, to be a terrorist organization at one time but seems to have moved away from violence. Baruch Goldstein, a Jewish terrorist who murdered 29 Palestinas, was a charter member of JDL. Not as bad as Kahane Chai but still disgusting. I’m a Jew and have never heard of Etzel. Sheltered upbringing maybe.
Pococurante
Um. Wow.
Just wow.
Yutsano
If you have a point here, it has been lost. No one here said anything anywhere about Rubin’s relative attractiveness. Plus good-looking people are perfectly capable of being dishonest hacks.
PeakVT
@Yutsano: I think wet was trying to make a funny. There’s another Jennifer Rubin who is a model and actress. Whatever the point, it was a lame comment, and posting it twice didn’t help.
BGinCHI
Yutsano, you know who else was a beautiful woman?
Elizabelle
at wetstaint:
Jennifer Rubin a beautiful woman? Not apparent from this pic. Meh.
http://politisite.com/2010/11/23/washington-post-hires-conservative-blogger-try-try-again/
I was worried we had another case of starbursts at a beautiful woman saying provably false stuff. Why does the right wing thrill at this?
Xenos
Now of course, the process of surviving the holocaust might tend to make someone a bit traumatized, paranoid, willing to resort to violence. Might even make those zionist settlers a bit militant…
Linda’s formulation seems to assume a pre-holocaust criminality being associated with survivors, which is historically ludicrous and wanders into some well-established antisemitic propaganda (survivors = Israelis = Kapos). I will assume that is not where she meant to go, but sheesh! Sometimes it is dicey to go into these discussions for good reason.
kindness
Where are the ‘Reply’ tags? They’re missing.
Rubin isn’t Krauthammer in drag….he’d be cuter.
tomvox1
Jennifer Rubin yet another a lying Neocon propagandist employed by the WaPo? Who’d a thunk?
El Cid
Do Palestinians ever need to know that *their* basic security needs will be met?
I do think the Israeli government will indeed eventually sign a peace agreement with recognition of a Palestinian state.
But only after they take every single thing they might want from the West Bank and Jerusalem, every bit of land (lots of arable land there for the taking!), every resource (water’s great!), every block, every site.
And after they criss-cross the West Bank with so many roads and walls and settlements and so forth that the Palestinian state created is an absolute joke — which everyone especially the US will pronounce as ‘viable’ and which Pal’s get to agree or go fuck themselves. The Pal’s still won’t control their borders or airspace, though maybe the former will be someone else’s troops doing what Israel (maybe via the US) says.
Once that’s done, they’ll be more than happy to leave the Pal’s with their husk, and then we all get to blame them for failing to make themselves into a great country since they now have the chance and all we’ve given them.
Plus it’ll be a great time for the rest of the region to stop pretending they care about the Pal’s and the conflict.
And it in no way will be limited to Netanyahu and “Likud,” just like it never has been, outside “Oslo” type offers that if only the Palestinians “negotiators” give up such an insane amount as a precursor that the population would simply revolt. Just like settlements have accelerated under Labor gov’ts more than Likud. Just like the leveling of Gaza was under Kadima. Oh, I did forget the pullot from that shit-hell-hole Gaza — oh, man, did the Israelis so mind losing that little crap strip.
Fucen Pneumatic Fuck Wrench Tarmal
so jennifer rubin pivots from what she can retreat to defend as inarguably legitimate concerns, to her particular hyper-agenda, and dares people to attack her for the pivot, when they do, they get rebutted with the legitimate concern part, hoping the absurd pivot will be ignored because of her capacity to express outrage, albeit misdirected and one-off the actual concern expressed.
funny you bring this up.
Svensker
What El Cid said.
daveNYC
I disagree. By the time Israel has expanded all the settlements, grabbed all the water, built all the roads, and taken all the land, their national outlook will have become so distorted that they will be unable to give the remnants over to the Palestinians. By that point, giving up even the smallest, most worthless piece of anything will be looked upon as ‘losing’ and they will be unable to do so.
Israel needs to get their shit together now, or in less than 50 years, they’ll no longer exist as Jewish Democracy. It’ll be one or the other, but not both.
4jkb4ia
@Linda Featheringill:
That has to be from Google Translate or something. “Liznut” means “to prostitute oneself, be a harlot” all by itself.