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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2012 / Pelosi: Strong Women Don’t Quit

Pelosi: Strong Women Don’t Quit

by Anne Laurie|  June 27, 20117:30 am| 117 Comments

This post is in: Election 2012, Excellent Links, NANCY SMASH!, All we want is life beyond the thunderdome

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Good piece on “Nancy Pelosi’s Big Comeback” in the Washington Post:

… In the corridor where the House minority leader greets visitors hangs but one decoration: a photo of her at the front of the House chamber, lifting the gavel in triumph, on Jan. 5, 2007. That was the day she was sworn in as the nation’s first female speaker, arguably the most powerful post any woman has held in the nation’s history.
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The fact that the pale-yellow walls remain bare suggests that Pelosi has no intention of getting settled in her new offices. What drives her these days is the realization that, with the party’s upset victory in last month’s special election in a heavily Republican Upstate New York district, Democrats need just two dozen seats to take back their majority.
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“I feel comfortable about our ability to win it back,” Pelosi said in an interview, as she approached the six-month mark of being in the minority again. “I have a sense of responsibility to win it back, a plan to do so, and a confidence that it is very much possible to do so.” […] __
The speakership used to be a post with job security. But that is no longer true in an era in which voters are more restive and the political culture is rougher on those who hold power. In the past 21 years, five speakers have been forced out, either by scandal or by political upheaval.
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What makes Pelosi different is not that she lost that cherished gavel — but that she didn’t head for the exit when she did. Pelosi is the first former speaker since Sam Rayburn, more than half a century ago, to remain in the House as the head of her party and to fight to get her majority back.
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She calls it her “faith-based initiative,” and it is indeed an endeavor to make her fellow Democrats believe again. […]
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“I have absolutely no problem with my relations with the White House,” she said. “I have complete access on any subject that I want to talk to them about. I understand why they have to do certain things, and they understand why I have to do certain things. We give each other room.”
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The main reason she stayed as leader, Pelosi said, was to protect her caucus’s accomplishments — chiefly, the passage of health-care overhaul — from Republican efforts to dismantle them. But Pelosi was also mindful of the signal it might have sent to other women if she had quit.
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“It’s important to me that women young in politics — they’re coming out of the kitchen as I did — are not deterred because of sexism or chauvinism [or the idea that] you can say or do anything about a woman and people will believe it,” she said.

The truism is that DC is a company town where the product is politics. But there are two sides to “politics”: the show-business, vote-for-me, winning-the-morning part, and the dull bureaucratic side where people must assemble blocks of legislation and votes like legos in order for the legislative company (and the country at large) to keep grinding along. I think this article is an indicator that Pelosi may be winning the bureaucratic war, or at least the sympathy of those bureaucrats whose lives have been made so much more tedious by the grandstanding of the current crop of Republican authoritarians, fundamentalists, and economic freebooters — all the showboaters more interested in posturing for media face time, and dollars, than in the gritty work of getting stuff done. Unlike a lot of her Senate peers, Pelosi very obviously isn’t looking for a cushy Fox News gig or a soft berth as a K Street ‘consultant’. More power to her!

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  1. 1.

    Skippy-san

    June 27, 2011 at 7:43 am

    And Pelosi stands as a major obstacle to the Democrats taking back the House, like it or not. She provides the GOP with a face they can run against-instead of allowing the poor policies of the GOP to be brought to the front.

  2. 2.

    bago

    June 27, 2011 at 7:48 am

    Nancy Smash?

  3. 3.

    alwhite

    June 27, 2011 at 7:52 am

    Skippy – Does not matter who the Dems have as speaker the Republicans will run against them. They will be the most out of touch liberal ever in the history of the world etc etc etc ad nausium.

    I am also afraid that the House will stay lost because of all the Republican victories in ’10 State races. Redistricting is the key & the the Rs are doing an excellent job of it.

  4. 4.

    Jinchi

    June 27, 2011 at 7:56 am

    Skippy-san, the Republicans will always have a face they can run against. They have an entire industry created to make sure there is always a Democratic demon to run against. This only matters to people who aren’t going to vote for Democrats anyway. If the Democrats replaced Nancy it would have only encouraged more of the same.

    Democrats should keep or reject leaders on their own terms. Winning elections is about getting your own people to the polls, not about keeping the opposition happy.

  5. 5.

    Napoleon

    June 27, 2011 at 7:58 am

    Skippy – Does not matter who the Dems have as speaker the Republicans will run against them. They will be the most out of touch liberal ever in the history of the world etc etc etc ad nausium.

    You are exactly right.

    She was the most effective speaker in quite some time. The Dems would be unilaterally disarming to not keep her as their leader in the House.

  6. 6.

    Linda

    June 27, 2011 at 7:59 am

    Skippy-san:
    The only people who get riled up by Nancy Pelosi are right-wing warriors. Most everyday people–the ones who don’t read Daily Kos or Balloon Juice–dont’ know much about who she is. And the right wing warriors would get riled up if ANYBODY was in charge of the Democrats. We are talking about a media machine that worked hard to make John Kerry, a decorated veteran, out to be a coward slacker, and got some people to believe it. So good for Nancy.

  7. 7.

    Liberal Sandlapper

    June 27, 2011 at 8:01 am

    @skippy: In what parallel universe is this even remotely true?!

    The Republicans shitty policies have been all over the TV and Internet since January. And Nancy Pelosi has more courage than the entire Republican side of the aisle in her little toe. They are terrified of her and attempt to vilify her as a result.

  8. 8.

    debit

    June 27, 2011 at 8:10 am

    @ skippy: Concern noted.

  9. 9.

    JPL

    June 27, 2011 at 8:24 am

    Bristol Palin was just on GMA and she is not accusing Levi of rape just plying her with alcohol and stealing her virginity. Also, too she has thick skin but people are mean and her mom would be “awesome for the country” if she were president. Just awesome.
    BTW..I did have to leave the room because there is just so much awesome that one can take.

  10. 10.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    June 27, 2011 at 8:25 am

    That was the day she was sworn in as the nation’s first female speaker, arguably the most powerful post any woman has held in the nation’s history.

    How is that arguable?

  11. 11.

    dmsilev

    June 27, 2011 at 8:29 am

    @Skippy-san: For the next election, they already have a face who embodies All Which Is Evil. The dark-skinned guy with the funny name and the big ears, remember him?

  12. 12.

    andy

    June 27, 2011 at 8:30 am

    Goddamn what a fucking sewer the Wapo comment threads are. It’s almost like people are being paid to be relentlessly goddamn fucking stupid.

  13. 13.

    alwhite

    June 27, 2011 at 8:31 am

    @10 JSF – some might suggest that the Sec of State has more power. Others wouldn’t care either way just note they both have powers unique to their offices and let it go at that.

  14. 14.

    Napoleon

    June 27, 2011 at 8:43 am

    @10 JSF and @13 alwhite

    There are female SC Justices also who I think it could be argued are more powerful.

  15. 15.

    nwithers

    June 27, 2011 at 8:49 am

    @12 andy – That’s because they ARE being paid to be “relentlessly goddamn fucking stupid”

    http://www.paidforumposting.com/content/

  16. 16.

    Viva BrisVegas

    June 27, 2011 at 8:51 am

    How is that arguable?

    Nancy Reagan?

    Nancy Reagan’s astrologer?

  17. 17.

    arguingwithsignposts

    June 27, 2011 at 8:53 am

    @JPL – bristol is also on the front pafe of usa todays life section today. must be book publicity week. ugh.

    and @skippy – that is one of the most politically tone deaf statements ive read here in a while outside the emo prog axis.

  18. 18.

    Chris

    June 27, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Sorry to pile on, but I agree with those who disagree with Skippy San.

    You could get rid of Pelosi, and within days the new speaker would be in exactly the same position that she’s in now. The fact is that Pelosi’s been a perfectly good speaker, a perfectly good representative, and she deserves to stay in office on those terms alone. If some asshole in Kentucky thinks she’s too San Franciscoey for his “real” part of the nation, fuck him with a pitchfork.

  19. 19.

    AAA Bonds

    June 27, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Sticking with leaders is the best policy for the Democrats, to fight the perception that Democrats are spineless.

  20. 20.

    RalfW

    June 27, 2011 at 9:01 am

    They are terrified of her and attempt to vilify her as a result.

    This.

  21. 21.

    Timothy Trollenschlongen (formerly Tim, Interrupted)

    June 27, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Meh. Pelosi’s ego is why Pelosi keeps going, just like most of the male politicians in D.C. Lust for power. Good god, the woman is 71 years old. D.C. is run by fossils.

    And of course, she is so eager to keep the Dems numbers up and do everything to support the caucus that she couldn’t wait to get rid of Anthony Weiner. But when it came to GWB at the time, “impeachment was off the table.”

    Fuck her.

    She’s a corporate tool, just as are most of the others. Having a vagina doesn’t make her special.

  22. 22.

    Fucen Pneumatic Fuck Wrench Tarmal

    June 27, 2011 at 9:02 am

    what we need is a set of left wing candidates who take the pelosi example and run with it. if you aren’t catching flak you aren’t over the target,wear your enemy’s attacks like a badge of honor.

  23. 23.

    AAA Bonds

    June 27, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Michele Bachmann, when she turns her head toward the cameras and brandishes her pearls and her ageless, unblemished neckline and her perfect suburban orthodontics in an attempt to reassure the unbeliever of her non-threateningness, is one of the scariest sights in the entire American cultural tableau. She’s trying to look like June Cleaver, but she actually looks like the T2 skeleton posing for a passport photo. You will want to laugh, but don’t, because the secret of Bachmann’s success is that every time you laugh at her, she gets stronger.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michele-bachmanns-holy-war-20110622

  24. 24.

    RalfW

    June 27, 2011 at 9:05 am

    JSF @10 asks

    How is that arguable?

    This is your asinine, terrified senior editors at the paper speaking, via the reporter. Newspapers are unwilling to state facts as facts, just in case someone challenges them to back up something that, in some parallel universes, could appear to be an assertion rather than a fact.

    I, for one, can’t really think of a more powerful woman in elected office, and I bet the reporter couldn’t either, but just in case some angry Pelosi-haters started haranguing the Post by “incorrectly glorifying her as more powerful than [blank]”, they cravenly wimp out and modify the superlative.

    Cowards.

  25. 25.

    Johnny B

    June 27, 2011 at 9:07 am

    No one votes against a candidate because they don’t like the person who might become Speaker if the minority party wins a majority. The people who vilify Nancy are hard-core Republicans who will never vote for any Democratic candidate. Let them hate her as much as they like.

    I actually trust Pelosi’s skills as the head of the effort to retake the House. I give her A 50/50 chance to pull it off, although I suspect her party’s fate is tied to Obama’s.

  26. 26.

    Ivan Ivanovich Renko

    June 27, 2011 at 9:08 am

    If I didn’t think Timothy was a ratfucking dickwad before, man, I’m totally convinced now.

  27. 27.

    Rick Taylor

    June 27, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Nancy Pelosi is one of the few people in congress I trust.

  28. 28.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    June 27, 2011 at 9:09 am

    It’s almost like people are being paid to be relentlessly goddamn fucking stupid.

    No need for pay, we have plenty of Americans who are willing to be stupid for free. Plenty. Visit RedState or Free Republic for more than a few perfectly stupid examples.

    We have millions of stupid people here. Millions.

  29. 29.

    Ivan Ivanovich Renko

    June 27, 2011 at 9:09 am

    @Fucen tarmal etc. etc.- Damn right. Scars from (figurative)war with those bastards are badges of honor.

  30. 30.

    Ivan Ivanovich Renko

    June 27, 2011 at 9:12 am

    Oh, and by the way, dickwad- Nancy is teh hawt for a 71 year old grandma. Natural born intelligence and toughness combined with the wisdom that only experience can give.

    Nancy is a total badass; and truly badassed women scare the panties off of ninnehammers like Tim Fuckwad and your average Jebopathic pseudo-Christian “conservative.”

  31. 31.

    AAA Bonds

    June 27, 2011 at 9:18 am

    Hillary Clinton easily has more power than Nancy Pelosi because the State Department now functions under the imperial model of the Presidency practiced by George W. Bush and Barack Obama.

  32. 32.

    Zagloba

    June 27, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Ivan Ivanovich Renko: @Fucen tarmal etc. etc.- Damn right. Scars from (figurative)war with those bastards are badges of honor.

    Indeed they are. However, to play into that honor is to step on one of the double standard landmines: when a Republican, especially a woman, trumpets her opposition cred, s/he’s plucky or a Mama Grizzly. When a Democrat does so, s/he’s shrill and unSerious.

  33. 33.

    moonbat

    June 27, 2011 at 9:19 am

    The Republican campaign post election in 2010 to get Pelosi out of the minority leader position said it all. They are terrified of her because she is not afraid of them. Goddam right keep her in there. She knows every trick in the book and will let them get away with as little as possible while they are in the majority.

  34. 34.

    arguingwithsignposts

    June 27, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Stay classy. T. I

  35. 35.

    AAA Bonds

    June 27, 2011 at 9:22 am

    HOLY SHIT T.I. POSTS HERE? ! ? ! ? ! ? ! ! ?

  36. 36.

    arguingwithsignposts

    June 27, 2011 at 9:22 am

    @aaa bonds – how much power does the secy state have apart from the president, exactly?

  37. 37.

    AAA Bonds

    June 27, 2011 at 9:24 am

    How much power does a speaker have apart from his or her party in Congress?

    What matters is how much power the person and the position have, obviously, not how much power they’d have in a space capsule orbiting Jupiter.

    Certainly, I’d be in favor of a less powerful Cabinet and a less powerful Presidency. Just like most Democrats were until 2008.

  38. 38.

    rikryah

    June 27, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Nancy Pelosi got shyt done. and, she did it without a hair out of place, in Dior and Jimmy Choos.

  39. 39.

    AAA Bonds

    June 27, 2011 at 9:27 am

    It is true that Pelosi dresses fly, like Cali should

  40. 40.

    cleek

    June 27, 2011 at 9:28 am

    How much power does a speaker have apart from Congress?

    1.21 gigawatts

  41. 41.

    comrade scott's agenda of rage

    June 27, 2011 at 9:28 am

    The Republican campaign post election in 2010 to get Pelosi out of the minority leader position said it all. They are terrified of her because she is not afraid of them. Goddam right keep her in there. She knows every trick in the book and will let them get away with as little as possible while they are in the majority.

    This.

    Few teabaggers of the left realize that the single thing that kept the Bushies from totally finishing their agenda of destruction was not just a Dem-controlled House in 2007 but one led by a hard-as-nails legislator with an effectively non-working majority. When she was given a working majority in 09 and a Dem president, look at what was accomplished.

    She is the perfect partner for a president like Obama. She regains the Speaker’s chair in 12 and he gets re-elected, watch for another blistering two years of legislative stuff. None of that will please the firebaggers tho.

    And all of this assumes the Senate doesn’t flip which I think is highly likely.

  42. 42.

    slappy

    June 27, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Strong men also cry… strong men also cry.

  43. 43.

    AAA Bonds

    June 27, 2011 at 9:30 am

    One thing worth noting is that Republicans give WAAAAAAAAY more of a shit about Pelosi, Reid, etc. than Democrats do.

    It’s a Whitewater/Janet Reno style thing – Republicans really believe these people are the Devil with a plan to Communize the U.S., as opposed to Democrats who see Boehner, Cantor, McConnell, etc. as bumbling idiots

  44. 44.

    cleek

    June 27, 2011 at 9:32 am

    They are terrified of her because she is not afraid of them.

    no, they aren’t terrified of her. she’s their political opponent and they’re using the tools they have (including getting their base all frenzied-up over a caricature of her) to keep her and her party out of power. they’d treat any other Dem the same way – has nothing to do with her.

  45. 45.

    arguingwithsignposts

    June 27, 2011 at 9:34 am

    @aaa bonds- not true. I see them as people with a plan to install fascism in the u.s. – boehner, mcconnell, et al

  46. 46.

    Chris

    June 27, 2011 at 9:36 am

    1.21 gigawatts

    GREAT SCOTT!!!

  47. 47.

    geg6

    June 27, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Nancy Pelosi got shyt done. and, she did it without a hair out of place, in Dior and Jimmy Choos.

    THIS.

    Gawd, I love her. Love, love, love her. Bigger balls than any man in DC that I can see. I aspire to be as much like her as I can. Best Dem out there. Full stop.

  48. 48.

    Timothy Trollenschlongen (formerly Tim, Interrupted)

    June 27, 2011 at 9:38 am

    If I didn’t think Timothy was a ratfucking dickwad before

    Excellent, and convincing, retort. Idiot.

  49. 49.

    AAA Bonds

    June 27, 2011 at 9:40 am

    I see them as people with a plan to install fascism in the u.s. – boehner, mcconnell, et al

    Good.

  50. 50.

    Timothy Trollenschlongen (formerly Tim, Interrupted)

    June 27, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Oh, and by the way, dickwad- Nancy is teh hawt for a 71 year old grandma.

    OMG, please. She looks like Gloria Swanson transported into the painting “The Scream.” A classic example of plastic surgery gone scary.

    She’s a corporate whore for the establishment. But as a hired shill, you already know that.

  51. 51.

    Valdivia

    June 27, 2011 at 9:41 am

    I love how everyone started calling Skippy, skippy-san. This place is awesome (to borrow from Ms Bristol)

    I think Nancy Smash rocks and she will be once again the most effective speaker. Let her lead.

  52. 52.

    Timothy Trollenschlongen (formerly Tim, Interrupted)

    June 27, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Stay classy. T. I

    Well, we all know BJ is ALL about staying classy, it’s true.

  53. 53.

    piratedan

    June 27, 2011 at 9:43 am

    well I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Nancy Smash who recognized what a gift it was when the Ryan budget plan was floated for a vote and who arranged her cadre to make the R’s wear that debacle like an anchor. I weep for all the legislation that was passed that languished in the Senate because McConnell outmaneuvered Reid as they went to the scorched earth filibuster plan.

  54. 54.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 27, 2011 at 9:43 am

    @ Tim…: You have your opinions and one doubts that anything anyone here says will change them. You don’t really engage in good faith debate. Is it any wonder that people don’t bother to take you seriously? I think not.

  55. 55.

    Timothy Trollenschlongen (formerly Tim, Interrupted)

    June 27, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Nancy Pelosi, 2006: “Impeachment is off the table.”

    Yes, she’s very brave and strong. Anthony Weiner she gets rid of, George W warmonger Bush, not so much.

    Fuck her.

  56. 56.

    Timothy Trollenschlongen (formerly Tim, Interrupted)

    June 27, 2011 at 9:48 am

    You don’t really engage in good faith debate.

    Explain please. Thanks.

    Also:

    You have your opinions and one doubts that anything anyone here says will change them.

    Would it be your position that you Obots and Demlickers are wildly open to having your opinions changed? HAHAHAHAHA…

    I always wonder where the hell the idea came from that BJ is intended to be a Democratic Establishment circle jerk, and all dissenting voices to that default position are discouraged? You jerkwads get enough stroking from each other, you don’t need it from me.

  57. 57.

    Ivan Ivanovich Renko

    June 27, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Tim, Tim, please, get the Republican dick out of your mouth. It’s making you hard to understand.

  58. 58.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 27, 2011 at 9:52 am

    @ Tim…:

    Explain please. Thanks.

    My opinion. You come here to troll. Have fun.

  59. 59.

    Ivan Ivanovich Renko

    June 27, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Tim’s just another piss-ant ratfucking white boy.

    Fuck him.

    After you get that Republican koch out of his ass, that is.

  60. 60.

    Ash Can

    June 27, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Shorter Tim I: WHERE’S MY GODDAMNED PONY?

  61. 61.

    Valdivia

    June 27, 2011 at 9:56 am

    So much pie in this thread

  62. 62.

    Cacti

    June 27, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Anthony Weiner

    I thought Andrew Cuomo was the new great white hopeless, and Weiner was the nutroots flavor of last month.

  63. 63.

    Citizen_X

    June 27, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Anthony Weiner she gets rid of

    That’s your comparison? Pelosi’s accomplished 1000 times more than Anthony Weiner ever will.

    Ah, but Weiner was good at being a loudmouth, camera seeking poseur, so you found him entertaining, right? Go get ’em, Anthony! Who needs actual legislation?

  64. 64.

    Linda Featheringill

    June 27, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Ivan #30

    Oh, and by the way, dickwad- Nancy is teh hawt for a 71 year old grandma.

    This.

    Any person would be lucky to spend some time with the lady. Doing whatever.

  65. 65.

    Cacti

    June 27, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Ah, but Weiner was good at being a loudmouth, camera seeking poseur

    Except for when an actual First Amendment issue came up in his own backyard, and he didn’t have boo to say about it.

    A true man of the people and champion of the oppressed.

  66. 66.

    Dennis SGMM

    June 27, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Pelosi at least keeps some of the Democratic Reps from scattering like a covey of quail every time the Republicans start harrumphing in unison. At this point I can’t see a Dem resurgence in the House for years. Losing the majority there was bad, losing so many statehouses around a census year was worse. In ’12 we’ll be defending Senate seats on a roughly two-to-one ratio as well as defending the presidency. That means an uphill fight for Dems – especially since the Supreme Corporatist Court opened the floodgates to uncounted and unaccountable tides of cash.

    Obama may win re-election. If he does he may also be saddled with a Republican Congress for whom scorched earth is a point of departure.

  67. 67.

    Cacti

    June 27, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Losing the majority there was bad, losing so many statehouses around a census year was worse. In ‘12 we’ll be defending Senate seats on a roughly two-to-one ratio as well as defending the presidency.

    I agree with regards to redistricting, and the sheer number of Senate seats that are in play.

    Holding the Presidency in an election year, however, is decidedly advantageous.

  68. 68.

    Judas Escargot

    June 27, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Yes, she’s very brave and strong. Anthony Weiner she gets rid of, George W warmonger Bush, not so much

    You’d have preferred she wasted all of Jan 2009-Jan 2011 going after GWB? Seriously?

    You must be lots of fun at Thanksgiving: “Tim, could you pass the cranberry sauce?”. “You stole my Darth Vader action figure when I was twelve! Fuck you!”

  69. 69.

    moonbat

    June 27, 2011 at 10:23 am

    If the Dem candidates for Senate have any brains they will run as the last bastion against the crazy House’s plan to privatize Medicare. It’s a winning issue and ones the Repubs for some suicidal reason seem unable to walk away from. Nail them to the wall with it.

    And this issue alone is the reason it was good that Pelosi didn’t retire. They thought they’d be able to get the Dems to come up with some compromise plan to Ryan’s. Her response: We have a plan. It is called Medicare.

  70. 70.

    clestes

    June 27, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Skippy

    they tried running against Nancy in the NY-26. Didn’t matter. Medicare matters. She is doing the right thing here. Staying in and positioning the dems to take the House back. She can do it.

  71. 71.

    Dennis SGMM

    June 27, 2011 at 10:58 am

    @Judas Escargot

    You’d have preferred she wasted all of Jan 2009-Jan 2011 going after GWB? Seriously?

    I can’t help but think that one of the results of the move to impeach Nixon was the move to impeach Bill Clinton. Had Pelosi attempted (And inevitably failed) to impeach GWB today’s House Republicans would be ginning up Obama’s impeachment rather than diddling themselves with the Ryan plan.

  72. 72.

    kay

    June 27, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Timothy Trollenschlongen (formerly Tim, Interrupted)

    Hey, Tim? Pelosi won an election. Her colleagues in the House elected her leader, over that other guy. Much as you want to make this as being about something she didn’t earn, and that AL is somehow celebrating the fact that she’s female, the facts are she did earn it. She got more votes.

  73. 73.

    Timothy Trollenschlongen (formerly Tim, Interrupted)

    June 27, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Shorter Tim I: WHERE’S MY GODDAMNED PONY?

    So much pie in this thread.

    Obots are not known for their originality.

  74. 74.

    kay

    June 27, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Anthony Weiner she gets rid of,

    Oh, no you don’t, Tim. Pelosi didn’t “get rid” of Weiner. Weiner pled. He ran away, again.

    He had expulsion process available to him. He chose not to fight. Just like he chose to apologize and grovel for what he said was a grave breach of trust.

    He said that, right before he resigned. Decisions were made. He made them.

    For someone who’s such a stickler for accountability and process, you ignore a lot that reflects poorly on your heroes.

  75. 75.

    Timothy Trollenschlongen (formerly Tim, Interrupted)

    June 27, 2011 at 11:35 am

    You’d have preferred she wasted all of Jan 2009-Jan 2011 going after GWB? Seriously?

    So basically, we “have to look forward, not behind…?”

    Too bad that doesn’t apply to all criminals. Our prisons would be empty. What a joke.

  76. 76.

    Rick Taylor

    June 27, 2011 at 11:37 am

    My favorite quote from the above:
    __

    On Sunday, Pelosi indicated in an appearance on CNN’s “State of the Union” that Republicans shouldn’t count on support from her caucus for the legislation — which must pass by early August to avoid a default on the nation’s debt — unless they are willing to consider boosting taxes as well as cutting spending.
    __
    “We’ve all said we would vote for the full faith and credit of the United States to be honored by voting for this increase in the debt ceiling,” the Democratic leader said. “If they don’t want to do taxes, maybe they don’t want to do anything.”

  77. 77.

    Timothy Trollenschlongen (formerly Tim, Interrupted)

    June 27, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Kay:

    Much as you want to make this as being about something she didn’t earn, and that AL is somehow celebrating the fact that she’s female, the facts are she did earn it.

    What the hell are you talking about? Please point out where I stated anything in disagreement with the above. Thanks.

    So, then, moving along…regardless of how she got to where she is, the fact remains that she is a corporate/establishment tool, who operates by the D.C. principal that the larger and more horrendous one’s crimes, the less likely one is to pay a price for them.

    Weiner’s weiner pics: OUT. Bush’s wars and torture and illegal wiretapping: PASS

  78. 78.

    Timothy Trollenschlongen (formerly Tim, Interrupted)

    June 27, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Kay:

    Oh, no you don’t, Tim. Pelosi didn’t “get rid” of Weiner. Weiner pled. He ran away, again.

    Horseshit. If Pelosi and establishment Dems had backed him up instead of publicly calling for his resignation, threatening to cut off his office’s electricity, threatening to eliminate his committee seats, etc., and twisting arms behind the scenes, Weiner would still be where he was.

    But then, he is not responsible for thousands and thousands of war dead and trillions wasted, so Nancy’s not OK with it. She is much more accommodating to REpublican war criminals.

    Please.

  79. 79.

    kay

    June 27, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Weiner’s weiner pics: OUT. Bush’s wars and torture and illegal wiretapping: PASS

    Pelosi didn’t expel Anthony Weiner, Tim. Again: he pled.

    Pelosi did acknowledge that she has power in Congress over the (allegedly) “unaccountable and imperial executive”, unlike the rest of the cowards in Congress, who continue to insist they don’t have power that they have. She said “I have it, and I’m choosing not to use it”. That’s a strong legislative branch leader.

    She could have done what the rest of them do, which is pretend they don’t have it .

  80. 80.

    Larkspur

    June 27, 2011 at 11:45 am

    T-Troll, you are getting boring. You are acting all cranky and repetitive and it is tiresome. I think I will skip over your comments now.

  81. 81.

    Bill Murray

    June 27, 2011 at 11:46 am

    @Judas Escargot:

    You’d have preferred she wasted all of Jan 2009-Jan 2011 going after GWB? Seriously?

    well since the quote was made in, what, 2006, and GWB wasn’t President from 2009-2011, so impeachment was moot, your point is really pointless.

  82. 82.

    Larkspur

    June 27, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Bill Murray 81: I believe mootiness and the recognition thereof was the point.

  83. 83.

    Timothy Trollenschlongen (formerly Tim, Interrupted)

    June 27, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Pelosi did acknowledge that she has power in Congress over the (allegedly) “unaccountable and imperial executive”, unlike the rest of the cowards in Congress, who continue to insist they don’t have power that they have. She said “I have it, and I’m choosing not to use it”. That’s a strong legislative branch leader.

    Wow. You’re right. That IS a very strong leader. One who says “I could stop you from recklessly destroying this country, but by God, I am not going to do it. So there!”

    Kay, from what I’ve seen here I have some respect for you, but you are displaying the usual symptoms of having been assimilated. You’re INSIDE. Perspective check, please.

  84. 84.

    kay

    June 27, 2011 at 11:49 am

    If Pelosi and establishment Dems had backed him up instead of publicly calling for his resignation, threatening to cut off his office’s electricity, threatening to eliminate his committee seats, etc., and twisting arms behind the scenes, Weiner would still be where he was.

    Facts are, Weiner didn’t fight at all, Tim. He lied, then he made a full, groveling apology. Then he resigned.

    I’m not surprised his colleagues have zero respect for him. I was glad he was gone before we got another bended-knee capitulation to Breitbart.

    They respect Pelosi, which is why they elected her leader.

  85. 85.

    Timothy Trollenschlongen (formerly Tim, Interrupted)

    June 27, 2011 at 11:50 am

    T-Troll, you are getting boring. You are acting all cranky and repetitive and it is tiresome. I think I will skip over your comments now.

    Excellent. A sure sign that my points are hitting nerves, making you a tad uncomfortable.

    Please do feel free to skip my comments and continue pleasuring your fellow Pelosi/Demlickers.

  86. 86.

    Timothy Trollenschlongen (formerly Tim, Interrupted)

    June 27, 2011 at 11:52 am

    I’m not surprised his colleagues have zero respect for him. I was glad he was gone before we got another bended-knee capitulation to Breitbart.

    Hello? His resignation WAS the capitulation.

    Nancy should have been kicking Breitfart’s ass instead of one of her fellow Dem’s.

  87. 87.

    kay

    June 27, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Wow. You’re right. That IS a very strong leader. One who says “I could stop you from recklessly destroying this country, but by God, I am not going to do it. So there!”

    If she were one of your heroes she’d have made up some nonsense about the “unaccountable executive” victimizing her and magically wiping away her power under the Constitution.

    Instead, she acknowledged the process that exists to hold the exceutive to account, she acknowledged the power that she had, and she made an actual decision.

    Then she took the heat for the decision, as a congressional leader. And got re-elected, by nearly the entire liberal caucus. She’s some operator, tricking all those liberals into voting for her.

  88. 88.

    kay

    June 27, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Hello? His resignation WAS the capitulation.

    No, no, no. He appeared, confessed that he lied, apologized, and said how damaging and awful his behavior was. You’re the only one making the argument that his behavior wasn’t damaging or serious. He said it was. Was he lying again? It’s really no big deal but he said it was a big deal? Which is it?

    Then it was merely a matter of how he was going to be held accountable for the behavior he described as serious and damaging and wrong. His suggestion was “no accountability at all” (understandably, I guess) but his peers there in the House didn’t agree with that.

    Once he made the first groveling apology, once he defined his own behavior as horrible and wrong, it was all begging for mercy, Tim.

    Decisions were made. By him.

  89. 89.

    Ivan Ivanovich Renko

    June 27, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    Kay, it’s pointless to argue with Tim. He’s a compleat ninnehammer, and unworthy of the energy required to hit the type keys.

    Oh, and Tim, before you respond– I keep doing it because I like spitting in your drink, you brain-dead shit-for-brains no-load cockbreath monkey sucking piece of firebagging shit.

    Now have a nice day, motherfucker.

  90. 90.

    Timothy Trollenschlongen (formerly Tim, Interrupted)

    June 27, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Keep beating that drum, Kay. Maybe even you will believe that narrative some day.

    It’s disappointing to see someone with your intellect put so much energy into kidding themselves.

    Also, too, furthermore, and additionally: Your summary of Pelosi’s AWESOME and FEARSOME and BRAVE decision to not use her AWESOMENESS, in its desperation to make her sound STRONG, makes the story even more pathetically transparent: She played the insider game and bowed to the realities of corrupt Washington. Of course she was re elected. Re elected by a bunch of corrupt hacks.

    To you, that signifies greatness. I say it illuminates how a corrupt system protects the powerful and punishes the weak.

  91. 91.

    WereBear

    June 27, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    @geg6: Best Dem out there. Full stop.

    That’s right SHE IS. (Well, I also admire President Obama’s accomplishments.) But in terms of getting things done, she is an awesome ally, and knows her stuff so darn well.

  92. 92.

    kay

    June 27, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    I say it illuminates how a corrupt system protects the powerful and punishes the weak.

    Oh, yes. The weak. The powerless. The defenseless.

    Like Anthony Weiner. Who was married by Bill Clinton. A power political wedding that was featured in Vogue magazine. They probably invaded his privacy there under duress. Maybe Pelosi made him do it.
    I’m sure he’ll get a secure sinecure somewhere or other. He’s middle aged, and he’s never done anything else than talk a lot.

  93. 93.

    Timothy Trollenschlongen (formerly Tim, Interrupted)

    June 27, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    He’s middle aged, and he’s never done anything else than talk a lot.

    What is your REAL issue with Anthony Weiner, as a person?

    It’s informative to know that you, like Pelosi, think sexting is a crime greater than lying a nation into war.

    To me that’s crazy. But that’s just me. And I don’t hang out at insidery Dem-leaning blog conferences to find out what all the cool blog kids think. That’s your gig.

  94. 94.

    Tom Hilton

    June 27, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    @Timothy etc.:

    And of course, she is so eager to keep the Dems numbers up and do everything to support the caucus that she couldn’t wait to get rid of Anthony Weiner.

    You just completely missed the part about grandstanders vs. people who actually do the hard work to pass legislation, didn’t you?

    Weiner was a grandstander, and not much for the hard work. He was very effective at it, and that’s what made him valuable to the Democrats. Once his visibility became a negative, though, he was no longer useful to the party. That’s why he got cut loose.

    Clearer now?

  95. 95.

    MaximusNYC

    June 27, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Emo progressive is emo.

    I have no use for people who hold eternal grudges about the perfect ponies that Democrats woulda, coulda, shoulda given them in a perfect universe, while ignoring the actual achievements of one of the most effective liberal politicians of my lifetime (=40 years).

    Politics for these people is an endless series of purity tests, which Dems (and all officeholders) will always fail, because, newflash: politics isn’t pure, and never has been. These folks are stuck in a childlike view of politicians as either saints or sellouts. And they are ignorant of the true history of progressivism, which has ALWAYS been advanced in a messy, compromised, stop-start manner.

    Of course pundits and other unelected, powerless people can loudly proclaim the most pure and unsullied progressivism — and we need those people to remind us of where we want to go — but people with actual responsibilities don’t usually have that luxury.

    This is why I was suspicious of John Edwards in the 2007/8 campaign. He had a lot of progressives on his side because he said all the right things. But unlike Clinton and Obama, he had no power or responsibility, and thus no accountability for anything he said. When you looked at his actual record in the Senate, he’d done very little. Weiner is a similar case in point: talked a good game (and we need talkers), but had almost no real accomplishments to his name.

    Pay attention to what they do, not what they say. And understand the constraints within which they operate. Finally, don’t pout like a 12-year-old when you don’t get everything you demand, right away. That’s not how the real world works.

  96. 96.

    kay

    June 27, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    It’s informative to know that you, like Pelosi, think sexting is a crime greater than lying a nation into war.

    Again. It doesn’t matter what I think. Anthony Weiner is the great warrior of the ages, Tim. He chose not to make your principled argument. Left it right there on the table. That you’re picking it up after he’s rejected it and run from the room is baffling to me.

    He rejects your defense. He rejected the expulsion process available to him. Basically, Tim, he took a plea. He convicted himself, full admission on all media charges (excessively groveling, but that’s a matter of personal opinion) then he took a plea on sentencing. I don’t second-guess his judgment. How can I? I’m not him.

  97. 97.

    kay

    June 27, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Tim, here’s where he made the decision:

    I take full responsibility for my actions. At the outset, I would like to make it clear that I have made terrible mistakes.
    I have hurt the people I care about the most and I am deeply sorry. I have not been honest with myself, my family, my constituents, my friend and supporters and the media.

    See? I didn’t say “terrible mistakes” or include “constituents”. He did.

    There was an alternative statement that he might have made, which is your argument, where he would say it wasn’t terrible and it didn’t effect his work.

    But that’s not what he said. Until one of them says it, it’s not operable in any real sense. They’re (all these guys, always) accepting the charges. None of them are making your argument.

    I think you need the “defendant”, Tim. I don’t know how you go on w/this w/out him:)

  98. 98.

    TooManyJens

    June 27, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    @Timothy etc.:

    If Pelosi and establishment Dems had backed him up instead of publicly calling for his resignation, threatening to cut off his office’s electricity, threatening to eliminate his committee seats, etc., and twisting arms behind the scenes, Weiner would still be where he was.

    If Weiner hadn’t lied to his own caucus and leadership, maybe they would have backed him. I’ve always read this as a party discipline issue rather than as any statement from Pelosi and the Dems that texting dick pictures is necessarily something that requires removal from Congress. And they could get rid of Weiner without derailing their entire legislative agenda for the next two years — in fact, getting rid of them probably helped to refocus attention where they want it.

    I hate that GWB and his cronies got away with torture and aggressive war. You won’t believe that, and I don’t really give a fuck if you do, but I hate it. I was one of the people in 2006 sending angry messages to Pelosi’s office when she talked about impeachment being off the table. But I honestly don’t know how the Dems could possibly go about investigating and punishing those crimes and still be able to govern the country in any functional way, given what the Republican reaction would be. I don’t. Do you? If not, you need to at least realize the tradeoff you’re calling for.

  99. 99.

    Tom Hilton

    June 27, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    If not, you need to at least realize the tradeoff you’re calling for.

    Sadly, the word “tradeoff” does not exist in the emoprog vocabulary.

  100. 100.

    Judas Escargot

    June 27, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    @Dennis SGMM:

    I can’t help but think that one of the results of the move to impeach Nixon was the move to impeach Bill Clinton. Had Pelosi attempted (And inevitably failed) to impeach GWB today’s House Republicans would be ginning up Obama’s impeachment rather than diddling themselves with the Ryan plan.

    Yep, this: I remember reading during the Clinton fiasco that some GOP Senators were saying as much (behind closed doors, of course) that this was ‘payback’ for Nixon.

    One of the many flaws of gerontocracy is that the rest of us get to pay for slights and transgressions that took place when we were in diapers– or not even born.

  101. 101.

    Violet

    June 27, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    So late to this thread, but just wanted to add my own NANCY SMASH! to it. She’s just awesome. Love her. I hope she gets her gavel back.

  102. 102.

    Ivan Ivanovich Renko

    June 27, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Gavel, hell. I want her to get a big ol’ Gallagher sized mallet and start knockin’ fools in their thick heads.

  103. 103.

    Thoughtcrime

    June 27, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    Ivan Ivanovich Renko – June 27, 2011 | 2:44 pm · Link
    …
    Gavel, hell. I want her to get a big ol’ Gallagher sized mallet and start knockin’ fools in their thick heads.

    How about something like this?:

    http://zespara.deviantart.com/art/Female-Thor-Commission-105102586

  104. 104.

    RalfW

    June 27, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    These folks are stuck in a childlike view of politicians as either saints or sellouts.

    It’s the madonna/whore complex applied to the vendors of magic sparkle ponies, I mean elected officals.

  105. 105.

    LanceThruster

    June 27, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    I consider myself a progressive Dem who doesn’t want to join in on the Pelosi wank-fest. Would have been much happier if Cindy Sheehan won her seat.

    Just sayin’.

  106. 106.

    Tom Hilton

    June 27, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Jeebus O’Malley Christ, are there seriously still people who consider Cindy Sheehan anything other than a dimbulb wackjob?

    Or do you just have such a deep deranged hatred of Pelosi that you think even a dimbulb wackjob would be better in her seat?

    (In any case, we San Franciscans chose Pelosi over that carpetbagger from Cow Town–aka Vacaville–by a 7 to 1 margin.)

  107. 107.

    Baron Jrod of Keeblershire

    June 27, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    @Tim the idiot

    She played the insider game and bowed to the realities of corrupt Washington. Of course she was re elected. Re elected by a bunch of corrupt hacks.

    A politician who bows to reality?! NO! IMPURE! Politicians must live in my fantasy world of unicorns and gumdrops! How dare a politician even acknowledge reality? Where’s my pretty ponies?!

    I also like that you consider the people of Pelosi’s district to be a bunch of corrupt hacks. They’re all phonies. Everyone is a phony! Everyone but you!

    Sorry that this fallen world is too debased for your beautiful soul.

  108. 108.

    brokenax

    June 27, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Florida Congresswoman, cancer survivor. With two away in the final inning she watched as the two batters in front of her were intentionally walked. To get to her. Let’s just say it didn’t work out for the opposition. She’s a fighter. Glad to have her on the team.

    http://media.talkingpointsmemo.com/slideshow/congresssoftball/1-181428

  109. 109.

    John Puma

    June 27, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    A strong woman doesn’t take impeachment off the table, especially when
    she has just become the first of her gender to be speaker of the US House of Representatives.

  110. 110.

    LanceThruster

    June 27, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    tom Hilton #106 said –

    Jeebus O’Malley Christ, are there seriously still people who consider Cindy Sheehan anything other than a dimbulb wackjob?

    Or do you just have such a deep deranged hatred of Pelosi that you think even a dimbulb wackjob would be better in her seat?

    (In any case, we San Franciscans chose Pelosi over that carpetbagger from Cow Town—aka Vacaville—by a 7 to 1 margin.)

    OK, so moving and getting politically active in one’s new area of residence in a no-no. As far as “dimbulbs” go, I saw Pelosi on C-SPAN books promoting “Know Your Power” as she talked all about her upbringing which made “doing the right thing” non-negotiable (though impeachment was “off the table”).

    I’ve also seen Citizen Sheehan speak truth to power eloquently. No dimbulb or wackjob she. She got some good local endorsements and Rep. Pelosi was unwilling to debate her or even consider acting in behest of the will of her constituency.

    If Pelosi wasn’t speaker, some other Dem sell-out would be filling her shoes, but Cindy Sheehan would speak out on issues so many other Dems are afraid to (in the manner Dennis Kucinich does).

    If Madame Speaker Pelosi was such a [email protected] powerhouse, maybe she could have done something to keep “dimbulb wackjob” (your words) Cindy Sheehan’s child from being killed in some bullsh!t US war on “terroristism.”

  111. 111.

    LanceThruster

    June 27, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    A strong woman doesn’t take impeachment off the table, especially when
    she has just become the first of her gender to be speaker of the US House of Representatives.

    Hear, hear, John Puma!

  112. 112.

    Tom Hilton

    June 27, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    @SharpstickNudger: yeah, you have a really good point. If Speaker Pelosi is such a goddamn powerhouse, why wasn’t she able to build a time machine, go back in time, and single-handedly prevent the Iraq war?

    To expect anything less from our leaders is to be a corporatist sellout.

  113. 113.

    Timothy Trollenschlongen (formerly Tim, Interrupted)

    June 27, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    I also like that you consider the people of Pelosi’s district to be a bunch of corrupt hacks. They’re all phonies. Everyone is a phony! Everyone but you!

    Hey Maroon: I was bloviating about the other corrupt congressslime who elected her minority leader. Pay attention.

  114. 114.

    Baron Jrod of Keeblershire

    June 27, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    @dipshit Timmy

    Way to ignore my main point, which is that you’re proud to disregard reality as something that should be considered by a politician if they want your favor. No, no, focus on the joke I made based on your failure to write clearly. That’s what’s truly important.

    The kind of politicians you want don’t exist. They can’t exist. They are no less fantastical than leprechauns and fairies. Again, so sorry that the world isn’t the whimsical wonderland you’d prefer. Now, go back to your Disney cartoons and let the people who can stomach the real world deal with this pile of shit as best they can.

  115. 115.

    Timothy Trollenschlongen (formerly Tim, Interrupted)

    June 28, 2011 at 12:12 am

    Now, go back to your Disney cartoons and let the people who can stomach the real world deal with this pile of shit as best they can.

    Yes, Da Da…you the man. You so big and strong and mature and have no standards…yes, you the man.

  116. 116.

    Ivan Ivanovich Renko

    June 28, 2011 at 7:50 am

    Yes, Da Da…you the man. You so big and strong and mature and have no standards…yes, you the man.

    And you most certainly ain’t.

  117. 117.

    LanceThruster

    June 29, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Tom Hilton #112 – Time machine needed? Not really. She could have just stood on principle and voted against continued funding of the war.

    see: Nancy Pelosi: Still Talking Against the War and Voting for It

    She is successful within the power structure that on many issues makes the Dems only slightly less repulsive than the GOP. That being said, Cindy Sheehan represents the progressive base of Dems far better than Pelosi (and that’s 63% of Pelosi’s district).

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