Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

This fight is for everything.

When someone says they “love freedom”, rest assured they don’t mean yours.

And now I have baud making fun of me. this day can’t get worse.

Nancy smash is sick of your bullshit.

I’m sure you banged some questionable people yourself.

Take hopelessness and turn it into resilience.

Is it negotiation when the other party actually wants to shoot the hostage?

Their freedom requires your slavery.

They love authoritarianism, but only when they get to be the authoritarians.

I didn’t have alien invasion on my 2023 BINGO card.

Proof that we need a blogger ethics panel.

“Everybody’s entitled to be an idiot.”

I’d try pessimism, but it probably wouldn’t work.

We’ve had enough carrots to last a lifetime. break out the sticks.

A consequence of cucumbers

We still have time to mess this up!

Speaking of republicans, is there a way for a political party to declare intellectual bankruptcy?

I’d hate to be the candidate who lost to this guy.

Meanwhile over at truth Social, the former president is busy confessing to crimes.

The poor and middle-class pay taxes, the rich pay accountants, the wealthy pay politicians.

Sadly, there is no cure for stupid.

Accountability, motherfuckers.

We are builders in a constant struggle with destroyers. let’s win this.

I know this must be bad for Joe Biden, I just don’t know how.

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Bernie Sanders Is My Hero

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Yes, yes, of course: Reasonable people differ… shrill… not helpful to attack natural allies… coalition of one… changing government is haaaard, etc. But I’m glad there’s still one brave person standing up and yelling at the clouds floating between his fellow Congresscritters’ ears:

As the debate over deficits ramped up in Washington on Monday, Sen. Bernie Sanders laid out the compelling case not to slash programs for working families. Any deficit reduction package must rely on new revenue for at least half the reduction in red ink, he added in a major address in the Senate. Sanders spoke at length about what caused deficits (wars, Wall Street bailouts, tax breaks for the rich) and how to shrink them (more revenue from the wealthiest Americans to match spending cuts). He urged fellow senators not to yield to Republican congressional leaders who “acted like schoolyard bullies” when they walked out of budget negotiations. He summed up the situation in a letter to the president that had been signed by more than 16,000 people by the time he completed his speech.
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Sign the letter »

Transcript of Sanders’ full 90-minute speech is up at his website. (I’m imagining John Quincy Adams, another Congressional pest with a penchant for unpopular opinions, applauding from his seat in Valhalla.) Signature count stands at 60,508 as I type this, and there are Facebook / Tweet link buttons, too.

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163Comments

  1. 1.

    BGinCHI

    I wish Bernie would bite out Ron Johnson’s throat for a finale (like a Senate Ozzie Osborne).

    Bernie is the most courageous man in the Senate. Yes, that’s a compliment.

  3. 3.

    Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)

    I didn’t think it was possible, but “Hangover II” is a lot funnier than the first installment.

  5. 5.

    Caz

    Bernie Sanders is an admitted communist, so it says a lot when you hold him out to be some sort of hero of yours. Doesn’t it bother you that you hold a communist in such high regard?? What is wrong with you? Are Stalin and Hitler heroes of yours too?

  6. 6.

    Yutsano

    60936 when I just signed it. And I hope Bernie is mentorting a good sociallist to take over for him when he retires.

    Bernie Sanders is an admitted communist

    Fail. Sanders is a sociallist. Totally different political philosophy.

  7. 7.

    JPL

    I can hear neighbors say who is he. Has he ever been on the morning shows or Sunday shows?
    Edit.. My own opinion is that he should be cloned and run for office all over America, but most people do not know who he is.

  8. 8.

    Jeffro

    Imagine if someone – anyone – stood up and said, “If we’re really all in this together, then it’s 50% spending cuts and 50% tax increases” until we get the deficit eliminated. Heck, I did it on the NYT’s deficit calculator and it ended up paying down the national debt in 20 years, due to my awesome yearly/deficit surpluses.

    I also sometimes imagine rainbow unicorns that pee Miller Lite.

  10. 10.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    Caz
    Could you please give me your address so that I can have the cops save your children or pets from you dangerous level of ignorance?

  14. 14.

    kdaug

    Anyone ever listen to “Fridays with Bernie” on Hartmann’s show? Used to get it on the ride home when we had AA.

  15. 15.

    kindness

    Signed.

    Bernie gives socialists a really good name. Wish my DiFi wasn’t such a DINO.

  17. 17.

    OzoneR

    The thing is, he does what the left blogsphere criticizes every Democrat for doing, conceding the point on the deficit.

    Any deficit reduction package must rely on new revenue for at least half the reduction in red ink, he added in a major address in the Senate. Sanders spoke at length about what caused deficits (wars, Wall Street bailouts, tax breaks for the rich) and how to shrink them (more revenue from the wealthiest Americans to match spending cuts). He urged fellow senators not to yield to Republican congressional leaders who “acted like schoolyard bullies” when they walked out of budget negotiations. He summed up the situation in a letter to the president that had been signed by more than 16,000 people by the time he completed his speech.

    Agreed, a lot of Democrats agree, but they don’t have the majority, if they did, we’d probably not see the cuts we’re seeing. We certainly didn’t see them in 2009 and 2010.

    But Sanders doesn’t say “Fuck the deficit, lets create jobs,” he says “Deficit reduction, fine, but we should do it this way.”

    When Obama does that, he gets slammed.

  18. 18.

    MikeJ

    Yutsy at 6: I love asking people to define what communism and soçialism actually mean. Especially in a town so dependent on government handouts to Boeing.

    Oddly, the people who throw the terms around the most have the hardest time answering the question.

  19. 19.

    Dennis SGMM

    @Anne Laurie

    Thanks for the link! Signed and forwarded the text along with a link to all of my commie-lover friends.

  20. 20.

    OzoneR

    Bernie Sanders is an admitted communist,

    No, he’s a socialist

    Are Stalin and Hitler heroes of yours too?

    Hitler was a COMMUNIST?!?! LMFAO. You should probably shut up now, you just completely embarrassed yourself.

  21. 21.

    OzoneR

    Heck, I did it on the NYT’s deficit calculator and it ended up paying down the national debt in 20 years, due to my awesome yearly/deficit surpluses.

    The problem there is liberals will want to spend those surpluses and not use them to pay down the debt.

    Not that they’re wrong for wanting to spend it, on jobs programs, healthcare, education, etc., but liberals will never pay down the debt with a surplus…ever.

  22. 22.

    shano

    Have seen Bernie on the plane to Burlington a couple times, He flies coach. He is really a nice man. Met him a few times at cook outs, parades etc.

    I asked him about corporate influence in DC..his reply: “however bad you think it is, it is much, much worse”.

    Germany did a 60% spending cut, 40% revenue increase. It seems to be working for them.

  23. 23.

    Cliff in NH

    61255 signed the letter

    Thank you for signing.

    Oh hell yea.

    I’m among those demanding that cap gains should be taxed as ordinary income.

  25. 25.

    shano

    Ozone: liberals have a much better record-through the whole of American history- of having balanced budgets and surpluses.

    Too bad the GOP gets in and wrecks the place, then the Dems have to clean up again. teh suck.

  26. 26.

    Marc

    Don’t feed the troll.

    Loved it, co-signed it. This is precisely the sort of thing that folks on the left should be doing.

  27. 27.

    shano

    I want a tax on high speed computer stock trading and a tax on ALL speculative derivatives trading.

  28. 28.

    AnotherBruce

    I will admit it does take a ton of effort to be that dumb.

    Not really, it takes a ton of laziness. It’s obvious that Caz is too damn lazy to think for himself, or too lazy to know the difference between a communist and a soshialist. So he just parrots crap he’s heard before. It’s totally effortless and bottomless stupidity.

    (Edited for accidental dick pill reference)

  29. 29.

    Percysowner

    The problem there is liberals will want to spend those surpluses and not use them to pay down the debt.

    Not that they’re wrong for wanting to spend it, on jobs programs, healthcare, education, etc., but liberals will never pay down the debt with a surplus…ever.

    On the other hand, Republicans take a surplus, don’t spend it to improve the country and squander it away leaving a gaping deficit. God forbid we have jobs, education and healthcare!

  31. 31.

    Uncle Clarence Thomas

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    Oh my. No wonder President Obama hates this old white dude’s guts. But that’s OK, Bernie – I approve.
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  35. 35.

    Linda Featheringill

    OzoneR #20

    Hitler was a COMMUNIST? LMFAO. You should probably shut up now, you just completely embarrassed yourself.

    Hitler was to capitalism what Stalin was to Marxism, total perversions.

    [Why yes, I am.]

    ETA: Forgot to say that I agree with ozone.

  36. 36.

    gbear

    Tom Petty may be taking legal action to make sure Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann stops using his songs at her campaign events.
    “NBC News: @TomPetty unhappy with Michele Bachmann’s use of ‘American Girl’ and in process of issuing [a cease and desist] letter,” Matt Ortega reported on Twitter only hours after hours after Bachmann used the popular song to kick off her campaign.

    Don’t republicans ever think about getting permission to use songs? Seems like every campaign some musician is getting a cease and desist order against the use of his/her music.

  37. 37.

    Jim C.

    Signed as well. I totally understand that sometimes folks expect and ask to much of Obama and want him to work miracles, but I also do think there are “line in the sand” moments where Obama’s compromising instincts worry the heck out of me and I don’t think he gets the max of what he could get.

    This is one of those moments.

    I hate to throw out the word, but sometimes I think he’s a bit of an appeaser to Republicans instead of smacking them in the mouth and calling them onto the carpet.

    I know you can’t do that all the time. I know there are times he has to be the grown up in the room, stay above the fray, etc. But I also know that every once in a while he DOES need to really commit and throw the full weight behind the right thing and do so publicly.

  38. 38.

    Jeffro

    Ozone R @ 21: they did it for a couple of magical years at the end of the Clinton presidency…the economy was booming despite higher tax rates on most (especially the wealthy) and the national debt started inching down, at long last.

    Higher taxes on the rich = the only way to get this country back on track. They’re the ones who take and take and take, unable to understand that they are the most privileged of people, in the most privileged of nations, at any time in history. Yet they keep proving George Carlin right (somebody find me the YouTube link for this rant).

  39. 39.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    Percysowner

    but liberals will never pay down the debt with a surplus

    Seems I remember the 42 president doing exactly what you said Democrats don’t do. What Democrats won’t do, is choose absolutes. We’re not going to choose not to eat for a month just to pay off the credit card.

  40. 40.

    Cliff in NH

    The latest FreeDumWorks:

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  43. 43.

    Frankensteinbeck

    OzoneR @17:
    Sounds like what Obama said in his deficit speech. Raise taxes on the rich, control medical costs, not cut Medicare, cut the military budget, and throw in some infrastructure investments. But he WAS really polite about explaining why the GOP plan was useless. We need more confrontative voices too, in roles other than ‘lead negotiator’, so I welcome Sanders’ vehemence on this topic!

  45. 45.

    Loneoak

    A Bernie Sanders bumpersticker was the only one my dad ever put on his car. And we’re from Michigan, not Vermont. So happy to have a father I didn’t need to battle about politics.

  46. 46.

    James E. Powell

    Anyone know how we can get the half-million or so “Obama is betraying us!” people from the GOS to sign the letter?

    I’m not convinced that one speech by Senator Soshulist can do much to affect the debate. Love the guy, love the speech, I’m a democratic soshulist myself. But he, like we, are voices crying in the blogosphere.

  47. 47.

    cat48

    (I’m imagining John Quincy Adams, another Congressional pest with a penchant for unpopular opinions, applauding from his seat in Valhalla.)

    Michele Bachman said on GMA this morning that JQA also worked hard to “free the slaves” along with the other founders & would not back down when George S. questioned her on those facts. It’s going to be a long summer…..

  48. 48.

    Dennis SGMM

    @Cliff in NH

    Earlier today at FreedomWorks headquarters two Tea Party Senators, Rand Paul of Kentucky and Mike Lee of Utah…

    I could have sworn that Paul and Lee ran as Republicans. I’d love to see anyone with a party affiliation of “Tea Party” try to get on a ballot.

  49. 49.

    OzoneR

    liberals have a much better record-through the whole of American history- of having balanced budgets and surpluses.

    absolutely, not denying that. Liberals will prevent the debt from increasing, but they’ll never pay it off

  50. 50.

    OzoneR

    Seems I remember the 42 president doing exactly what you said Democrats don’t do. What Democrats won’t do, is choose absolutes. We’re not going to choose not to eat for a month just to pay off the credit card.

    they did it for a couple of magical years at the end of the Clinton presidency…the economy was booming despite higher tax rates on most (especially the wealthy) and the national debt started inching down, at long last.

    And liberals blasted him for it.

  51. 51.

    aliasofwestgate

    62199.

    I’ve signed as well. I’m now fighting my former employer in order to get unemployment right now. I’m not happy about this because i have medical bills to pay off, among other things glaring over my shoulder and that’s not counting living costs. Basically i was approved overall, but i can’t get any until i find work and pay them 3500$. (after i earned them probably 30 times that much money over 7 years.) So yeah, i may have a few bones to pick and Sanders has the right idea.

  52. 52.

    Anne Laurie

    Anyone know how we can get the half-million or so “Obama is betraying us!” people from the GOS to sign the letter?

    If you have an account, you could post a diary (have I got the terminology right) linking to Sanders’ website. And the clip is on YouTube, so it’s easily embeddable, if DailyKos permits embedding by account holders.

  53. 53.

    SteveinSC

    I signed. Bernie is my hero. And by the way Hitler was the embodiment of the ultimate development of capitalism, its sort of apotheosis–the dictator of a warmongering corporatist state, complete with the hollow trappings of a democracy. A big business creation brought to the Germans by Krupp, I.G. Farben, etc. I.e., sort of where we are going.

  54. 54.

    YellowJournalism

    You know, after all the yeast infection talk in the previous thread, putting this under the tag C.R.E.A.M seems icky and all kinds of wrong.

  55. 55.

    Yutsano

    A big business creation brought to the Germans by Krupp, I.G. Farben, Prescott Bush

    Clarified. Let’s not forget history here. And never forget where the Bush money actually came from.

  56. 56.

    Neil

    I was 62400! And then I refreshed and it was 62457…

    Proud voter and donator to Senator Sanders.

  59. 59.

    cat48

    And liberals blasted him for it.

    They’re going to do the same thing to Obama this time, regardless, b/c they are certain the last “budget cut deal” was a HUGE CAVE even though the press decided about 3 days later it was all “smoke and mirrors” and when the CBO finally scored it, it actually COST $6B to be paid out. Still Obama is an “appeaser.” My personal favorite was the “cut” to the Census Dept of the leftover money from the 2010 Census which is now completed. Lew & Sperling went thru this crap in the Clinton Admin with the GOP before & they’re experts at “smoke and mirrors” cuts. However, most of those are probably gone so they’ll probably ask for deferred cuts this time until the economy improves. If they approve the cuts, we should be ok.

  60. 60.

    Loneoak

    John Wayne Quincy Gacy Adams

    This would be a top notch handle if anyone is currently looking.

  62. 62.

    amk

    @ 46 James E. Powell – It’s not half a million or so at gos that are braying for Obama’s blood. More like a few hundreds self-proclaimed keyboard ‘activists’ and most of the FP’ers.

  63. 63.

    pat

    Just signed, 10:10 central, it’s up to 65,400 or so. Forgot to note the exact count.

    Not that it will do any good.

    Sigh.

  64. 64.

    cat48

    Maximus

    You mean John Wayne Quincy Gacy Adams?

    That’s the one! heh It’s frightening though too b/c she & her group evidently think we’re really a Theocracy & must get back to that! I hope the U/E goes done soon.

  65. 65.

    ABL

    @Cliff #40-

    What the hell is that pledge supposed to accomplish?

    I really hate these people. I had to turn Colbert off last night because I wanted to do violence to Grover Norquist’s smug ass.

  66. 66.

    cbear

    Signed. And, yes, Senator Sanders is a hero, but more than that–he just always seems to be such a genuinely decent, kind, and honorable man.
    Dare I say, I would love to have a beer with the gentleman.

  67. 67.

    General Stuck

    Looks to me at this stage, the wingers are not so much playing chicken, but forcing Obama to unilaterally raise the debt ceiling his self, by fiat, declaring the law unconstitutional, as some legal eagles already believe.

    Then trying to label the Obama administration a tyranny, and Obama a tyrant acting like a king. Obama can fuck around with these idiots only so long, before he has to act to stop the dominoes that will start falling on each other with world finance and the panic that will surely set in if he lets this play out to the last minute.

    I have no idea if the gooper strategy, playing ideological Russian Roulette, will bear the political fruits they hope for. It seems highly desperate with a cornered rat feel to me. But what do I know.

    Goddamn Republicans. I hate your fish eating guts to no ends. You are seditious and not fit to govern an outhouse, let alone a country.

  68. 68.

    General Stuck

    would someone please release my comment at 67. I used the roolette word, and am sorry.

  71. 71.

    Yutsano

    Dare I say, I would love to have a beer with the gentleman.

    What you have done there, it has been seen. And I am now going to indulge in my chocolate Top Pot and contemplate the universe.

  72. 72.

    boss bitch

    I gave my junk e-mail because I know these things are always followed by pleas for money.

  74. 74.

    Tom Q

    amk @ 46:

    To your point: The other day someone at GOS posted a diary asking if just one person on the main page could back the administration. The usual assortment of Obama-betrayed-us gang popped in and ridiculed the idea, but the attached poll showed 70% of readers thought the site had veered off into PUMA land.

  75. 75.

    Bruce S

    Caz – June 28, 2011 | 10:05 pm · Link

    Bernie Sanders is an admitted communist, so it says a lot when you hold him out to be some sort of hero of yours. Doesn’t it bother you that you hold a communist in such high regard?? What is wrong with you? Are Stalin and Hitler heroes of yours too?

    Caz – yes. You are an insightful person. My heroes are Bernie Sanders, Elvis (of course) and…Hitler and Stalin.

    Thanks for dropping by and allowing me to clear this up.

    Now a question for you. Is your medication near at hand? Please be sure to follow the instructions…

  76. 76.

    boss bitch

    So when are we going to send a letter to the New Democrats and The Three Stooges from the Republican side?

  77. 77.

    Judas Escargot

    Bernie Sanders is an admitted communist

    Even if he were… so what?

    This isnt D&D. It’s not like you just uttered the Truename and dispelled whatever demon bothers you.

  79. 79.

    boss bitch

    Meanwhile OFA is asking me to make phone calls for Janice Hahn

    the problem is what?

  81. 81.

    General Stuck

    Looks to me at this stage, the wingers are not so much playing chicken, but forcing Obama to unilaterally raise the debt ceiling his self, by fiat, declaring the law unconstitutional, as some legal eagles already believe.

    Then trying to label the Obama administration a tyranny, and Obama a tyrant acting like a king. Obama can fuck around with these idiots only so long, before he has to act to stop the dominoes that will start falling on each other with world finance and the panic that will surely set in if he lets this play out to the last minute.

    I have no idea if the gooper strategy, playing ideological Russian Roolette, will bear the political fruits they hope for. It seems highly desperate with a cornered rat feel to me. But what do I know.

    Goddamn Republicans. I hate your fish eating guts to no ends. You are seditious and not fit to govern an outhouse, let alone a country.

  82. 82.

    amk

    @ 73 Tom Q – Yup. Their nos. are heading south. Gone are the days of 1 mil visitors. Now it’s about 600 k and falling.

  83. 83.

    cg

    This is what I’ve been seeing for the past 15 minutes:

    Safari can’t open the page “http://sanders.senate.gov/petition/?uid=c1fd7f9b-abd8-4e7a-a370-1867881259d8” because the server unexpectedly dropped the connection. This sometimes occurs when the server is busy. Wait for a few minutes, and then try again.

  85. 85.

    PeakVT

    Don’t republicans ever think about getting permission to use songs?

    Probably, but they don’t try to because they would find that they could only use songs by sucky artists. And it gives them a chance to show the base that those are-teests are all mean-spirited libruls look at how they made us stop using the song well we don’t need it anyway so nah. Or something along those lines.

  86. 86.

    Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)

    Meanwhile OFA is asking me to make phone calls for Janice Hahn

    isn’t she the women who had an affair with Tammy Faye Bakker’s husband?

  87. 87.

    Anne Laurie

    Michele Bachman said on GMA this morning that JQA also worked hard to “free the slaves” along with the other founders & would not back down when George S. questioned her on those facts.

    For the record, JQ really did work hard ‘to free the slaves’:

    Late in life, especially after his election to the House, he was noted especially as the most prominent national leader opposing slavery… Adams vilified slavery as a terrible evil and preached total abolition, while Calhoun countered that the right to own slaves had to be protected from interference from the federal government to keep the nation alive. Adams said slavery contradicted the principles of republicanism, while Calhoun said that slavery was essential to American democracy, for it made all white men equal… Adams predicted that if the South formed a new nation, it would be torn apart by an extremely violent slave insurrection. If the two nations went to war, Adams predicted the president of the United States would use his war powers to abolish slavery. In the House Adams became a champion of free speech, demanding that petitions against slavery be heard despite a “gag rule” that said they could not be heard.

    In 1841, Adams had the case of a lifetime, representing the defendants in United States v. The Amistad Africans in the Supreme Court of the United States. He successfully argued that the Africans, who had seized control of a Spanish ship on which they were being transported illegally as slaves, should not be extradited or deported to Cuba (a Spanish colony where slavery was legal) but should be considered free. Under President Martin Van Buren, the government argued the Africans should be deported for having mutinied and killed officers on the ship. Adams won their freedom, with the chance to stay in the United States or return to Africa. Adams made the argument because the U.S. had prohibited the international slave trade, although it allowed internal slavery. He never billed for his services in the Amistad case. The speech was directed not only at the justices of this Supreme Court hearing the case, but also to the broad national audience he instructed in the evils of slavery.
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    Adams repeatedly spoke out against the “Slave Power”, that is the organized political power of the slave owners who dominated all the southern states and their representation in Congress. He vehemently attacked the annexation of Texas (1845) and the Mexican War (1846–48) as part of a “conspiracy” to extend slavery.

    Bachmann is an idiot with an agenda, and JQA explicitly did not consider himself a “Founding Father” — that was his parents’ generation. While he honored their heroic achievements, he worked for the rest of his life to improve the Constitution, not to freeze it in amber as a mindless totem or a bludgeon to play ‘We’re right, they’re wrong’ against his opponents.

  89. 89.

    Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)

    we, are voices crying in the blogosphere.

    no one will take the blogosphere seriously until it attains a political accomplishment.

  90. 90.

    cg

    @ Yutsano Still busy. Rural user with a satellite connection. Maybe that’s the problem. Or I should try Firefox. Thanks.

  91. 91.

    amk

    @ 89 Mike Kay – Yup. When they elect a dog catcher is the day they’ll be taken seriously by pols. Teabaggers, all said & done, were more effective politically.

  92. 92.

    cg

    Firefox also says “busy.” Let’s hope it goes on all night. So: In the early morning hours, when the dew is on the flowers. . .

  93. 93.

    Three-nineteen

    I signed, but I wonder why this petition is aimed at the President and not the FUCKING REPUBLICANS THAT ARE BLOCKING ACTUAL PROGRESS IN THIS COUNTRY. Isn’t that the block of votes we have to convince? Send this to Cantor, to Boehner, to McConell.

  94. 94.

    Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)

    I think the teabaggers are similarly impotent, after all, glenn beck’s Aryan woodstock only had a third of the attendance of jon Stewart’s rally, even though it was promoted 24/7 by fixxed news and hate radio, but they get disproportionate coverage because of the bias of the corporate media.

  95. 95.

    amk

    @ 94. But they were able to return the rethugs to congress and governors to major states. They fucking turned up to vote.

  96. 96.

    Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)

    I signed, but I wonder why this petition is aimed at the President

    sadly these “petitions” are simply data mining schemes used to build mailing lists. Everyone who signs will receive a fundraising solicitation by Bernie. That’s a lot of dead trees. That would be fine if Bernie needed the money, but he’s has a rock solid safe seat.

  97. 97.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I think the teabaggers are similarly impotent

    I’d say the Teabaggers are the carefully arranged public and MSM-friendly (“real America”, as they like to say) of Karl Rove type groups that blanket the airwaves with pretty run-of-the-mill ads paid for by untraceable Citizens United dollars. The money for the ads and the astroturf rallies all come from the same pockets. At least at the Senate level, was there a Tea-Bagger candidate who won besides Rand Paul? Ken Buck, Sharon Angle, Christine O’Donnell, Grifter-Quitter’s cat’s-paw up in Alaska… all lost. LePage and Christie IIRC both won three-way races by a hair. So Rand Paul and Rick Scott are the only Teabagger candidates to win above the Cong District level, no? I miss anybody?

  98. 98.

    Yutsano

    So Rand Paul and Rick Scott are the only Teabagger candidates to win above the Cong District level, no? I miss anybody?

    Walker and Johnson in Wisconsin, Kasich in Ohio, Deal in Georgia, and I suspect even that list is incomplete.

  99. 99.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Walker and Johnson in Wisconsin, Kasich in Ohio, Deal in Georgia,

    I was trying to draw a distinction between establishment Republicans and Tea Bagger “insurgents”. I don’t know about Deal or Johnson, but weren’t Kasich and Walker the party favorites?

  100. 100.

    Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)

    rand paul wouldn’t have won without his father’s notoriety. Rick Scott spent $85 million to buy his seat. can’t call it insurgency if victory is based on nepotism and unlimited cash.

  101. 101.

    Laertes

    The first eleven presidents
    all slaveowners but two:
    those Massachusetts liberals
    John Adams and John Q

    (I don’t know who wrote this. It wasn’t me. I just remember it.)

  102. 102.

    Cliff in NH

    Everyone who complains about political email has only themselves to blame.

    Get a g-mail acct.

    with gmail you can modify your address with dots and +’s so you know where things came from.

    Just sign petitions and mailinglists with [email protected] and filter everything with that +address to a folder named politics.

    Also, .’s (dots) are invisible to gmail, so you can also mod your address that way.

    Filter your email with personalized email addresses.

    You actually get more address variations than just “[email protected],” all of which get delivered to you. You can put a plus (“+”) sign and any combination of words or numbers after your name, like changing [email protected] to [email protected] or [email protected]. Then you can easily add a filter to label and/or archive messages sent to the variations.

  103. 103.

    Suffern ACE

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist-Marco Rubio, or was Christ some no name third party nut before the primary. Lee in Utah as well.

  105. 105.

    Bruce S

    boss bitch – June 28, 2011 | 11:40 pm · Link

    Meanwhile OFA is asking me to make phone calls for Janice Hahn

    the problem is what?

    As I said, “All well and good, but Jesus the movement we had in 2008 dropped the goddam ball (by design of it’s leadership IMHO) …”

    We’re playing defense. OFA – which is supposed to be “Organizing for America” – hasn’t done shit until it came time to “organize” again for Obama. “We stand with the President” – which is plastered across my local OFA office – isn’t an agenda. It’s a faith-based politics and a cult of personality.

    Two years ago there were hundreds of folks locally ready to work on issue-oriented agendas. There were a couple of meetings and then the “leadership” abandoned the notion of organizing based on a grass-roots movement, OFA was folded into the DNC and we ended up with the Tea Parties dominating “grass-roots” discourse and putting Obama and the Democrats into a defensive crouch.

    Even on health care reform, I had an OFA “organizer” tell me that there was confusion about what to do because “they didn’t know what would be in the bill.” WTF? This was sheer idiocy. Political malpractice of the worst sort.

    Part of the reason Obama’s hands are so tied is because he stopped believing what he told us back in ’07 and even ’08 about “making him do it.” I blame myself for believing too much and doing too little. But the responsiblity has to at least be shared by the folks who are now sending me emails asking me for money or to do some conventional GOTV – when I was prepared to do a lot more. As were many thousands of others. Many of whom are dispirited and won’t respond at all.

  106. 106.

    Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)

    Everyone who complains about political email has only themselves to blame. Get a g-mail acct.

    This particular petition requires your home mailing address. You can make up a false snail mail address, but they’re still gonna kill a tree and stick a mailing label on it.

  108. 108.

    Caz

    Bernie Sanders stands for everything that the Constitution does not stand for. He’s an admitted socialist, or communist, or marxist…what’s the difference – he pretty much disagrees with everything in the Constitution and would like to see this nation turn into a socialist one.

    Hitler was a socialist. Stalin was a communist.

    I’m not the dumbass that supports this jackass socialist/communist/marxist. Whatever you want to call him, he is an enemy of the state, and the fact that you idiots support him is truly terrifying.

  109. 109.

    Cliff in NH

    mike, thats not cloggin up your email box is it now?

    use a deliberate mispelling to see where it gets shared if thats all you are complaining about.

    Geez.

    -ps I’ve not gotten physical spam from Bernies petitions, I think you are full of shit. The Nation is the biggest source of my physical spam, followed by opt in mailing lists. (not spam)

  110. 110.

    Cliff in NH

    It’s not like Bush where I sign petitions for impeachment and war crimes and got the 4 s’s on all my boarding passes for a few years.

  111. 111.

    Yutsano

    Bernie Sanders stands for everything that the Constitution does not stand for.

    Such as?

  112. 112.

    Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)

    I think you are full of shit.

    No, I eat a lot of fiber.

  113. 113.

    Cliff in NH

    I see caz still doesn’t know what socialist means.

    How can the government promote the general welfare of its people without caring about the humans who make up the country?

  115. 115.

    Cliff in NH

    FYWP WTF Was that for?!?! Grrr…

    I see caz still doesn’t know what s ist means.

    How can the government promote the general welfare of its people without caring about the humans who make up the country?

    edit: moderator delete whatever you want of duplicates

  117. 117.

    Dennis SGMM

    @Caz

    …and the fact that you idiots support him is truly terrifying.

    Then why don’t you run away? It was good enough for George W. Bush, it should be good enough for you.

  118. 118.

    Mnemosyne

    He’s an admitted socialist, or communist, or marxist…what’s the difference – he pretty much disagrees with everything in the Constitution and would like to see this nation turn into a socialist one. (emphasis mine)

    I have to admit, it amuses me every time that Caz freely admits he’s completely ignorant about a subject but he’s totally sure that his blissful ignorance means we’re wrong.

  119. 119.

    Comrade Kevin

    I get more crap emails from Major League Baseball, The Nation, and “Democracy for America” (Howard Dean’s org? Not sure how they got my address) than anyone else.

  120. 120.

    Suffern ACE

    Hmmmm. All that’s needed to keep Caz living in fear is a tape of Senator Sanders talking about raising revenue in addition to cutting spending. The boring bits.

    Let’s get to the heart of the speech. The better part of social1sm that’s in there, but obviously edited out. Should the reactionary counterrevolutionary elements of the capitalist system be reformed through labor, exiled or purged?

  121. 121.

    Cliff in NH

    Kevin, that’s why you use a +tag identifying what you are signing on emails when you give a email to Anyone, it’s so you can track the spam, and have a trail to trace…

    Use gmail for all random web interactions, use gmail manager to track multiple gmail accts if you want one for politics and one for realife and one for fakelife

  122. 122.

    bryanD

    Sanders’ failure to consider the scourge of inflation, the key symptom of deficit spending—which pick-pockets the poor and allows the underwriting of corporate adventurism via liquidation of bad debt at pennies on the dollar at the taxpayers’ expense—-is evidence that Bernie isn’t guarding his chess pieces very well.
    He’s left himself wayyy open. Perhaps he’s just too used to being ignored and has gotten rhetorically rusty, ie “the children”? (Simpsons Did It!)

  123. 123.

    Yutsano

    but he’s totally sure that his blissful ignorance means we’re wrong

    But he KNOWS he’s right! His Tribe tells him so! Bernie Sanders is teh Enemy! WOLVERINES!!

  124. 124.

    Cliff in NH

    the scourge of inflation

    Would that be JPM stockpiling oil in tankers all around the world at 30-50$/bbl hmmm?

  125. 125.

    Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)

    scourge of inflation, the key symptom of deficit spending

    “Reagan proved deficits don’t matter” ~ Dick Cheney

  126. 126.

    Yutsano

    Sanders’ failure to consider the scourge of inflation

    There would be this little thing called hyperinflation if there is a debt default. So much so that it would make the Weimar Republic look like a cakewalk. The rest of your comment is pure word salad.

  127. 127.

    Mnemosyne

    Given that interest rates have been essentially 0% for a decade, I think we could use a little inflation. Can you believe that I used to have a checking account that made 3.25% interest? Now you can’t even get a 5-year CD that yields more than 1% APR.

  128. 128.

    Grover Gardner

    I’m not the dumbass that supports this jackass socialist/communist/marxist.

    No, you’re just a dumbass–or a spoof.

  129. 129.

    Grover Gardner

    Given that interest rates have been essentially 0% for a decade, I think we could use a little inflation.

    Can you wait till I pay down my mortgage a little–please?

  130. 130.

    Cliff in NH

    yusanto: a debt default won’t be good, but it will be nowhere near hyperinflation, weimer had other thing going on, that should be obvious.

  131. 131.

    Mnemosyne

    @ Grover Gardner

    Did you get an adjustable rate mortgage or something? If it’s a fixed rate, then it doesn’t matter to your mortgage if overall interest rates go up, because your rate is fixed. If you got an adjustable rate, well, may God have mercy on your soul, because your bank sure won’t.

  132. 132.

    Cliff in NH

    grover, a unemployed small business owner I know in the process of moving their shop out of state got a insane sub 3% fixed rate refinance on their mortgage, it can’t hurt to talk to your bank.

  133. 133.

    Cliff in NH

    @yutsano also, in this country if they can stay deadlocked and do Nothing at all for a while more the deficit will nearly disappear.

    Hence the low interest rates on us bonds.

    unf there are other stupid things being discussed instead of just locking it up.

  134. 134.

    Yutsano

    a debt default won’t be good

    A debt default will most likely cost me my job. As a new hire, when the inevitable layoffs come, I’m first on the block.

  135. 135.

    Cliff in NH

    well, that sure sucks.

    gov worker? thanks for your service, I hope you can hold out cause I expect teabaggers to hold us hostage for a few weeks before the country wakes up and kicks them in the ass Hard.

  136. 136.

    Yutsano

    gov worker?

    IRS. And I’m a collector to boot. Won’t matter if we don’t get enough coming in to meet payroll.

    I hope you can hold out cause I expect teabaggers to hold us hostage for a few weeks before the country bankstahs wakes up and kicks them in the ass Hard

    Adjusted. Only their paymasters will hold any sway here.

  137. 137.

    shano

    Excuse me, BryanD. but Bernie was on that committee to audit the fed with Ron Paul and Alan Greyson.

    You all do not even know what Bernie does! Its astonishing!
    BERNIE AUDITED THE FED

  138. 138.

    harlana

    Thank you, Bernie, no we did not cause this deficit so why are we being asked to make sacrifices when we have nothing left to sacrifice? (Just read this thread, yes it’s a yahoo thread so there will be some ignorant racist comments, just skip those and read the desperate stories of the unemployed, one after the other, this thread has been running for a couple of days now)

    Btw, I wanna have your babies. Call me, don’t Twitter. :)

  139. 139.

    harlana

    to this Caz person: Stalin wasn’t even a true communist, not by a longshot! Pick up a frickin history book and read.

    Btw, what are these rumors about Obama caving?

  140. 140.

    Yevgraf

    Don’t republicans ever think about getting permission to use songs? Seems like every campaign some musician is getting a cease and desist order against the use of his/her music.

    Ted Nugent would be totally down with allowing her to use his poignant tribute to heartland women, “Wang Dang Sweet Poontang”. Its sort of on the same theme, and he’s a heartland conservative.

    Its a win-win!

  141. 141.

    Ash Can

    @ Bruce S #105: This makes very little sense. Right now, the 2012 campaign is just beginning to gear up, so money is needed. And campaigning for your local Dems is at least as important as campaigning for the president, who at this point faces running for re-election against a cartoon character. How much good will Obama do in a second term if either the House or the Senate, or, God forbid, both, are under GOP control? As for the health care issue, the bill really was in serious flux well into the process — that’s how legislation works, after all — so it’s obvious that the OFA people wouldn’t know what would be in the bill, at least until it was being finalized. In the meantime, it would have been incumbent upon all of us to badger our own elected representatives about it — hardly OFA’s bailiwick.

  142. 142.

    A Mom Anon

    (I haven’t commented here in a year because my life fell apart,but wanted to chime in with something hopefully helpful)

    You can sign petitions and blog forever,but the only way to make a dent with your reps and senators is to be a pest and call them, OFTEN. Get your friends to call them,get family on board if you can. Email works too,get people to help you,have weekly writing parties or something. Don’t be an ass beret either,you can voice your anger without being a jerk. If your elected officials are conservatives,the first nasty thing you write shuts down anyone reading or hearing you.

    The Tea Party has such a sway because they have a couple dozen people in various districts who spend hours on the phone,writing emails,calling local tv stations,doing letters to newspapers and comments on their websites,etc. For some reason,we don’t do that with nearly the volume. The puff themselves up to look bigger than they are like one of those little spiny fish.

    I live in a decidedly red part of the South(NW metro Atlanta exburbia),my rep is a tea party ass kisser and my senators are selfish assholes. But,I call them anyway. If more liberals raised hell in places like this it might change things at least a little. Screaming over the internet on blogs means nothing to these guys,when their staff gets a shit ton of calls,it means alot more. Especially when they’re up for re-election. Sure,some people can never be reached,but consider those practice calls. Many(not all) liberals are under the illusion that online”activism”(oxymoron anyone?) means something and it really has little if any effect besides being a tool to help organize people in real life for concrete and tangible action.

  143. 143.

    OzoneR

    OFA – which is supposed to be “Organizing for America” – hasn’t done shit until it came time to “organize” again for Obama

    They were pretty active in the HCR debate, financial reform, getting SCOTUS justices confirmed and are very involved in the Wisconsin recall elections.

    I don’t know what you’re talking about.

  144. 144.

    OzoneR

    Meanwhile OFA is asking me to make phone calls for Janice Hahn. All well and good, but Jesus the movement we had in 2008 dropped the goddam ball (by design of it’s leadership IMHO) …

    How is phonebanking for a Democratic candidate for Congress part of an Obama-only movement?

    Your bitter is showing.

  145. 145.

    OzoneR

    Part of the reason Obama’s hands are so tied is because he stopped believing what he told us back in ‘07 and even ‘08 about “making him do it.” I blame myself for believing too much and doing too little. But the responsiblity has to at least be shared by the folks who are now sending me emails asking me for money or to do some conventional GOTV – when I was prepared to do a lot more. As were many thousands of others. Many of whom are dispirited and won’t respond at all.

    Did it ever occur to anyone of you that maybe there wasn’t enough people “making him do it.”

    It’s not your fault, it’s not OFA’s fault. There just aren’t the numbers of the ground. To give you an idea, if you saw the amount of people who pressured the New York legislature on marriage equality vs. the millionaire’s tax, it would make complete sense. It was like night and day.

  146. 146.

    Chris

    I suspect Caz called Bernie a Red for the sole reason of having us all answer “no, he’s a soshalist!” without thinking, and then being infuriated as WP places dozens of our messages in moderation for the use of the S word.

    Going back up to read the rest of the thread…

  147. 147.

    Valdivia

    @OzoneR–I was going to pipe in and say pretty much what you said but you beat me to it. I have been actually harrased the past couple of years by OFA for all sorts of campaigns and to help on the legislative end by calls and letters and many more things but for some it’s as if it did not happens.

  148. 148.

    OzoneR

    A Mom Anon @ 142

    I don’t really think a lot of these “online activists” really want to win.

    Jane Hamsher just wants to sell ads.

  149. 149.

    OzoneR

    I have been actually harrased the past couple of years by OFA for all sorts of campaigns and to help on the legislative end by calls and letters and many more things but for some it’s as if it did not happens.

    The problem is that OFA wasn’t involved, the problem was the issues weren’t to the satisfaction of people around here. OFA made a push for the HCR bill, it wasn’t good enough for people, they made a push for Wall Street reform, not good enough, Elena Kagen, not good enough, and so on and so forth.

    I find it really funny, also not surprising, that OFA is being blamed.

  150. 150.

    Chris

    @ SteveinSC –

    And by the way Hitler was the embodiment of the ultimate development of capitalism, its sort of apotheosis—the dictator of a warmongering corporatist state, complete with the hollow trappings of a democracy.

    For my money, he was the apotheosis of Southern Strategy style politics. He was the product of decades of antisemetic rhetoric put into overdrive all over the continent, with the support of conservative elites who hoped to redirect popular anger onto someone other than themselves (the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, for example, were made up by the Czar’s secret police).

    Hitler and his peeps were the voters who rallied to the rhetoric and believed in it heart and soul, then went into politics for themselves in the 1930s after WW1 and the Depression completely ruined the credibility of the ruling classes. When all you know about politics involves Jewish conspiracies and liberal stabs in the back, it’s easy to predict that something like Auschwitz come out of it.

    Capitalism was irrelevant except insofar as big business helped Hitler get into and stay in power; he and his supporters didn’t really care about economics one way or another.

  151. 151.

    Gravie

    Signed, posted on my FB page, whereupon a friend of my husband’s came on and wrote a six-post anti-Obama diatribe. So I reposted for a clean start.

  152. 152.

    Chris

    He’s an admitted soshalist, or communist, or marxist…what’s the difference

    Thank you for making our point.

    Hitler was a soshalist. Stalin was a communist.

    Really? Hitler supported state control of the means of production? That’s odd, because I could swear that a shit ton of large corporations existed in Nazi Germany that remained under private ownership throughout the regime. Go on. Hitler was a socialist because…?

    Whatever you want to call him, he is an enemy of the state, and the fact that you idiots support him is truly terrifying.

    Interesting choice of words, Caz. In this country, people who disagree with the ruling ideology are called “dissenters,” “the minority vote,” or just “people with opinions.” Only regimes like Hitler’s or Stalin’s consider people “enemies of the state” simply because they have the wrong ideas.

    Are Hitler and Stalin your heroes, Caz? Are you now a soshulist/communist/marxist/what’s-the-difference?

  153. 153.

    Chris

    Oh, fuck you, WP. Seriously. See what I mean about the S word…?

    Going twice;

    He’s an admitted soshalist, or communist, or marxist…what’s the difference

    Thank you for making our point.

    Hitler was a soshalist. Stalin was a communist.

    Really? Hitler supported state control of the means of production? That’s odd, because I could swear that a shit ton of large corporations existed in Nazi Germany that remained under private ownership throughout the regime. Go on. Hitler was a soshalist because…?

    Whatever you want to call him, he is an enemy of the state, and the fact that you idiots support him is truly terrifying.

    Interesting choice of words, Caz. In this country, people who disagree with the ruling ideology are called “dissenters,” “the minority vote,” or just “people with opinions.” Only regimes like Hitler’s or Stalin’s consider people “enemies of the state” simply because they have the wrong ideas.

    Are Hitler and Stalin your heroes, Caz? Are you now a soshulist/communist/marxist/what’s-the-difference?

  154. 154.

    scav

    I had this sudden sweet vision of Caz every morning, trying to figure our which end of the socks to use.

  156. 156.

    Bruce S

    ” it’s obvious that the OFA people wouldn’t know what would be in the bill, at least until it was being finalized. In the meantime, it would have been incumbent upon all of us to badger our own elected representatives about it—hardly OFA’s bailiwick”

    That’s the problem defined – OFA neutered itself as a movement, waiting for “the bill” rather than pushing a broader health care reform agenda, educating, organizing.

    The Tea Party didn’t sit around and wait for what the GOP would put in a bill.

    The notion that OFA could only become what it has become is bogus. There were large meetings in the Bay Area with hundreds of potential activists and no structure, leadership or follow-up emerged. The decision to fold OFA into the DNC was political malpractice. There’s nothing wrong with making phone calls for candidates or contacting congressional representatives about bills, but we hardly needed OFA to devolve back into that tired play book. The potential for a broader more activist movement existed. That’s a fact. They passed…

    And I do blame myself for watching it happen and not getting more involved to try to turn that political malpractice around. If you talk anything but happy talk to the local OFA “organizers”, they treat you like you smell bad. It’s “all in” or STFU. No interest in anything other than what’s coming from the top down. If that’s “organizing”, it’s a joke.

  157. 157.

    OzoneR

    OFA neutered itself as a movement, waiting for “the bill” rather than pushing a broader health care reform agenda, educating, organizing.

    you can’t push a vague concept. What people wanted in HCR differs, some wanted single payer, others wanted a completely private system, some people wanted a hybrid. You can only push for tangible things.

    Stuff like marriage equality is different because its black and white. Not all of us here can agree on what we want to see in HCR bill. Some may not want a single payer system, some may want that, some may want Medicare to be extended to 55, others may say 50. Until you have a bill, you can’t lobby for anything except vague concepts.

    This reminds me of what I see at GOS all the time, this idea that we need “Democrats to fight for people” and when you ask them what that means, they saw “politicans who

    The Tea Party didn’t sit around and wait for what the GOP would put in a bill.

    what bill? The Tea Party doesn’t want ANY bills on anything.

    There were large meetings in the Bay Area with hundreds of potential activists and no structure, leadership or follow-up emerged.

    No interest in anything other than what’s coming from the top down. If that’s “organizing”, it’s a joke.

    Wait, you’re complaining there’s no leadership and then complaining there’s only orders coming down from the top? You’re contradicting yourself here.

  158. 158.

    Bruce S

    Good lord, Ozone. You blow it with the line about universal health care as a “vague concept.”

    I can’t take your whining defense seriously. Sorry. And “orders from the top” = “leadership” in an organization that proposes “grassroots organizing.”

    Enjoy the kool-aid.

  159. 159.

    Bruce S

    And “orders from the top” = “leadership” in an organization that proposes “grassroots organizing.”

    Should have added an exasperated question mark to that line. Meant the opposite of how it reads.

  160. 160.

    OzoneR

    You blow it with the line about universal health care as a “vague concept.”

    You blow it by trying to say it isn’t. universal health care is a vague concept, there’s a number of ways to achieve it.

    And “orders from the top” = “leadership” in an organization that proposes “grassroots organizing.”

    So then why are you complaining about the lack of leadership? You’re looking for someone to tell you what to do, but then you’re complaining they’re telling you what to do.

    You stopped making sense three posts ago.

  162. 162.

    Bruce S

    ozone – read the addendum to my comment.

    “There are a number of ways to achieve it” – but some clear markers could have been set out. You DON’T achieve it by sending it to Max Baucus to toy with. You don’t need a bill to build support for the larger goal. This is elementary and one reason why the bill ended up so weak and needs so much more work.

    OFA hasn’t shown a bit of balls. And my guess is they weren’t supposed to.

    What is the agenda they are putting forward in opposition to Ryan? There are a number of possible approaches. But we’ll see nothing in terms of coherent response or organizing against the GOPers – because Obama has already shown his weak hand on the issue by giving Alan Simpson a platform, and nobody knows where the President will end up standing – so “we stand with the President” means doing nothing until it’s time to defend a fait accompli – and my guess is it won’t be pretty.

    This isn’t a grassroots movement with anything that resembles a core liberal agenda that could rally the people who worked hard to put Obama in office to give him more political space as President. It’s a campaign vehicle for re-election. Not even remotely the same things. And it’s sad. A tremendous opportunity was wasted. If you can’t see this and don’t feel at least some sense that there were greater possibilities, I wonder where the hell you were in ’07 when we started the work that made this Presidency possible.

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