From Adrian Chen, at Gawker:
Murdoch Alert debuted yesterday. Here’s what it does, according to its description:
MurdochAlert show a warning bar on Murdoch Family-controlled websites. This alerts users to the potential computer security risks of accessing Murdoch-controlled sites. Handy also for identifying the news sources controlled by the Murdoch Family.
Looks like Murdoch just lost the powerful Firefox user base. And earlier this week, the Murdoch Block add-on for Chrome was released. So, he’s down to just Safari and… ugh, Internet Explorer users. RIP, News Corp.
After a long and mostly dispiriting news week, what will you be doing this weekend while attempting to ignore the flame wars?
Suffern ACE
I will be avoiding that flame war where I propose doing a heat wave experiment involving an egg and the hood of my partner’s car and he takes the egg and suggests I shove it somewhere else.
jeffreyw
Blue or Roquefort? I come down squarely on both sides.
PsiFighter37
Boehner walked out on debt ceiling talks. Who knows what happens next…
4tehlulz
At least Boner had the sense to wait until the market closed for the weekend:
Boehner Ends Talks With White House on Debt Deal
pragmatism
how come they call it taking a dump instead of leaving a dump. you’re not really taking it anywhere.
sorry, beavis and butthead returns in the fall. http://www.limelife.com/blog-entry/Beavis-and-Butthead-Rock-ComicCon-with-Fall-2011-Return/137087.html
slag
Uh oh. Don’t tell Mark Halperin…Obama’s being a dick again! http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2011/07/watch_live_obama_statement_at_the_white_house.php?ref=fpblg
gene108
I will ignore all news this weekend. Have to work tomorrow and have school stuff to do as well.
At this point, the only reason I care is if I should cash out my 401(k) before August 2 or not, even though I’m still under 59 1/2 years old.
I think I’ll sell whatever other stocks and mutual funds I own.
aimai
I’m planning on staying out of a flame war between eemom and other posters who know just as little as the rest of us as we watch this dance of death heading to its inevitable conclusion. Heads we lose/tails we lose.
aimai
jl
@3 and @4: I thought was a joke, but it aint.
I posted this comment in the Norway thread:
” Speaking of betrayal, TPM reports that Nancy Smash and Barney Frank will say yes to some ‘adjustment’ to social insurance programs if they can be supported as good policy (that is my interpretation). So more means testing for Medicare,
COLA adjustments forand Social Security might be OK. Will draw the line on outright benefit cuts like raising retirement or eligibility age, or arbitrary changes in COLA (again, my interpretation).So, on pure policy grounds, I cannot argue with that they said. As for the hall of mirrors electoral politics part of it, I admit it is beyond me.
Their statements today seem to, in reality, truly isolate the House GOP as the noncompromising extremists.
Will be mildly interested to see whether big US media simply ignores it and continues with their pre arranged scripts, or will their brains melt down, or will they, maybe perhaps, actually report the news. ”
Pelosi Outlines Revenue-Free Path Forward On Debt Limit Fight
Brian Beutler | July 22, 2011, 2:28PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/pelosi-outlines-revenue-free-path-forward-on-debt-limit-fight.php?ref=fpb
gocart mozart
Boehner becomes flacid, pulls out of debt talks.
Libby's Person
I’ll be trying to figure out how to take my fuzzy black dog for walks without cooking both of us, and drinking lots of cold stuff (some with alcohol). Given the meltdown in the blogosphere, it’s a bad weekend to be fighting heat-induced cabin fever!
Sko Hayes
I just thought this should be highlighted again:
A Mom Anon
My car got totalled today. How my son and I ended up with just scratches is a miracle. I have/had a little Honda Fit and this lady in a big old land barge plowed right into the back of the car. I was stopped and turning into my driveway so I guess it’s lucky we were right there at home when it happened. I had groceries in the back and a container of yogurt and a box of oatmeal were the only fatalities.
But I am a wreck and my poor kid is traumatized. The other driver was cited,the accident is not my fault at all,which is great,but my car…This is the first new car I ever had that was really mine. Sigh. I know it’ll get fixed or replaced(I think its totalled because the back doors won’t open and we had to force our way out the front doors. Bent frame maybe?),but this freaking SUCKS. I can’t do anything til next week either. I am so grateful no one was hurt beyond some scratches(the other driver got a busted lip),it’s really a miracle.
I need a drink,or 7.
jurassicpork
It just never frigging ends. Help.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
OBama is fucking wailing on them.
where are the fucking firebaggers and PUMAs now?
Served
Totally Fucked (Obviously NSFW)
This is the most appropriate song I can find RE: Debt Ceiling “negotiations.” I don’t know if we’ve reached or passed that moment yet, but it’s close.
joes527
Boehner, Cantor, Obama, Reid …
At some point it is going to be easier to name the poeple in DC who _haven’t_ walked out on the talks.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
Obama played this beautifully.
Set the wingers up to take the fall from the get-go.
Comrade Luke
I don’t know what the ACTUAL discussions were – no one does.
But Obama is on live right now and I have goosebumps for the first time since his speech on election day.
This is epic.
Roger Moore
@4tehlulz:
But he’s going to betray us, I’m sure of it!
Suffern ACE
@A Mom Anon – Having been there myself, I will agree. A little nip while you collect yourself is in order. I am glad no one was hurt. Deep breaths. Deep breaths.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
Shaft pistol whipping Boehner.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
I’ll be trying to absorb my brain MRI results in which the good news is the wee pituitary tumor. The bad news is that there are changes showing that indicative of demyelinization, so I need a neuro consult on top of the endocrine work up that occasioned the MRI as we suspected an adenoma.
@A Mom Anon: I’m glad you’re both okay. Drinks sound medicinal at this point.
jacy
@A Mom Anon:
That completely sucks. Thank goodness you’re both all right. Best wishes for speedy resolution and mental recovery.
As for me this weekend – I have to finish the final edit on the next book, and I plan to eat several cartons of Italian lemon ice and not read/hear/think about any news events. I have my metaphorical fingers in my metaphorical ears. la-la-la-la I can’t hear you…
Dee Loralei
I just heard Obama’s presser on NPR, actually sat in my driveway to listen to his righteous screed. Man is he pissed. And LOL he said he ORDERED Boehner and McConnel to be at the WH in the AM. Seriously have never heard that man so mad.
Catsy
@A Mom Anon:
Ouch. We had something similar happen about five years ago. Some twit on her cellphone blew through a red light at high speed right as we were entering the intersection, and we had no chance to stop before T-boning her car. From what witnesses said, the back of our car (a little Ford Escort) actually lifted off the ground, and we couldn’t believe that the three of us got away with only a couple of finger sprains. Our car was totaled.
There was no question of fault, but the woman’s insurance company fought us tooth and nail in bad faith, dragging out the process for almost two years and trying to force us to settle for $1000 and shared blame for the accident. Fortunately we refused to back down and eventually they caved and accepted responsibility.
Glad everyone’s essentially okay. Don’t let the insurance companies jerk you around.
Jim C.
Obama absolutely killing shit right now on the debt ceiling.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2011/07/watch_live_obama_statement_at_the_white_house.php?ref=fpa
He’s putting on a truly masterful performance. Absolutely nailing the Republicans to the wall.
Served
Boehner walking out of negotiations during Happy Hour on a Friday!? I. am. SHOCKED.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
Obviously Obama is only carpet bombing Boehner and the wingers outta fear of FDL’s powr.
PsiFighter37
He at least stood up for Democrats there and just pistol-whipped the GOP for being unable to do anything.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
PRIMARY HIM!
JC
Watching Obama speak right now. Still giving too much credit to Rethugs. “If this was easy it would have been done”. It WAS easy, just lift the debt ceiling.
On the other hand, he just said “when you write your stories, make sure that you right that Democrats were willing to compromise, Republicans were not”.
Then of course, a damn ‘journalist’ said ‘it seems there was a breakdown in trust between the two parties…”
AAAARRGGH!!!
WHY can’t they write anything or say anything that isn’t from this faux ‘both sides are to blame???”
Comrade Luke
Right now he’s just shaking his head and smacking down a reporter who ask if “it’s true that Republicans had an offer and Dems changed the deal” (paraphrasing).
Again with the caveat that it ain’t over ’til it’s over, but right now this is an historic press conference.
Dee Loralei
@A Mom Anon: Totally sucks, hon. I’m glad you and son are physically ok. Am terribly sorry about the car too, hopefully she has good insurance and you can get another new car out of it. Condolences on your loss of yogurt and oatmeal. Hopefully you have other breakfast options for the am, or their will be great sadness. ( That last bit was tongue firmly in cheek. )
JPL
OMG.. He is pissed.
Momanon..I am so sorry.
JC
‘the challenge is the seeming inability in the House to compromise on ANY of their ideological preferences’.
Nice one, O.
Comrade Luke
@JC:
Dude, he’s stroking the Republicans because he knows he can get away with it. The Republicans won’t go for ANYTHING.
Which is literally what he just said to the reporter.
ETA: Who the fuck is this reporter that’s debating the Republican talking points? Jesus Christ, what a…
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
But he’s worse than Bush and Hitler, and a black jimmy carter to boot.
General Stuck
have never seen Obama with this nasty cold resolve. Like Bush with a Brane. Heads have been bitten off tonight.
TaMara (BHF)
@13A Mom Anon: I’m so glad you guys are okay. Cars can be replaced. But and this is a BIG BUT, if she hit you hard enough to bend your frame, please watch out for delayed symptoms. Cars are not meant to be hit from behind, meaning we are not as protected as if hit from side or front. Things to watch for are head injuries – this would be from the brain actually hitting the front and back of the skull as you were hit, not from actually hitting your head on anything. Also, spinal injuries, usually neck or lower back do to slamming back into your seats.
I speak from experience – a month after my car was totaled from behind (I, too was completely stopped, hit at high speed) I was diagnosed with a closed head injury that resulted in 2 years of memory loss and other problems.
There was also a severe spinal injury that took weeks to manifest, but this is probably due to the fact the hit was so hard my driver’s seat actually broke away.
So please take any headaches, ear ringing, nausea and fogginess seriously.
Again, so very grateful you guys walked away from this. Sending you lots of hugs.
kc
Says Boehner: “The president is adamant that we cannot make fundamental changes to our entitlement programs.”
Good for Obama then.
Catsy
Holy fucking shit. Obama is just taking the Republicans to the woodshed on this. About as bluntly as I’ve ever heard anyone outside of a blog do. Finally.
THIS is the man I voted for.
JC
Obama is ON!!!
I just love this guy when he is on.
General Stuck
Absolutely stunning
Nethead Jay
I’m still following the events in Norway, but it’s half past midnight here so will be hitting the bed fairly soon. Tomorrow I’ll be visiting friends and watching the last stage before Paris time trial in the Tour de France. Back home sunday.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
Where are the usual suspects who always run into these threads to trash obama?
Where are you?
What happen? Did your balls fall off?
I’m looking at you, you bunch of puzzys.
Comrade Luke
Bully pulpit?
Check.
Jim C.
This is so cathartic to watch. More of this on a regular basis please Mr. President? Thanks!
Larryb
I installed the add-on. Dunnoh what it’s actually doing but it does NOT put up any kind of “alert” using FF5.0 if I go to the WSJ or Fox News websites. B.S. or Trojan, take your pick. I’ll know what’s up if I get a spike in unsolicited v****a offers.
Dexter
Obama almost said “some talk radio show shi…”. Heh!
JR (Not the other JR)
Obama just released the Kraken on their asses.
joes527
A Mom Anon
Good thing that you are OK.
Don’t let the insurance company try to “fix” your car.
I was gently rear-ended a few years back. I was at a complete stop, the person behind me was at a complete stop. Some clown ploughed into her so hard that she was pushed into me.
The insurance company decided that a new rear bumper and some paint would make me whole. It was almost two years later when I connected the fact that my trunk would leak whenever it rained with the accident. (what can I say? It doesn’t rain all that often around here)
If the doors are stuck, then “fixing” the car won’t fix it.
JC
Comrade Luke,
This IS him doing the WORK with the bully pulpit. It’s beautiful to watch.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
Show Obama how much you disapprove of this press conference with a contribution to Firedoglake’s primary obama campaign.
JGabriel
Anne Laurie @ Top:
Thank you! Anne Laurie, you are a god-send!
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And Another Thing...
Watched the O presser and ohhhhh that felt good, I need a cigarette.
Comrade Luke
Swear to god, he almost said “Cap-and….bullshit”.
He’s been close to swearing a couple times now.
gwangung
From a previous thread, someone wrote
I find this interesting and plausible. Getting mad at all the kabuki gestures (particularly when it’s rumored and not stated) just seems counterintuitive to me, particularly when you can be more effective getting mad at the real opposition.
Suffern ACE
Brooks in on PBS complaining about tone. Apparantly Pres was too insulting again.
Felanius Kootea
@A Mom Anon: Glad to hear that you and your son are okay, if a little shaken. What on earth was going on with the other driver?
Just Some Fuckhead
Head cold. Prolly won’t read alot of the nonsense this weekend.
Comrade Luke
Ends with “At some point, if you want to be a leader, you gotta lead. Thank you very much”. And walks out.
Wow.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
Black Jimmy Carter
Worse than Bush
Spineless
Coward
Sell out
jl
@41: If Boehner said that, fine. House GOP on record for ‘fundamental changes’ for social security and medicare. Most people will read that correctly as: the president won’t help us filch the working people’s money.
WTF do the House GOP think they are doing? Scared about the primaries? Who cares if they have to run the general on ‘fundamental changes’ to social insurance.
Good luck to them. Just hope we can figure out how to get through next 15 months to next election despite their sabotage.
Also, I found some of the press questions disgusting. I am sure it is very important whether some Wall Street well off people are reassured or not.
Dexter
Watching the press conference, looks like the stenographers were quite concerned that they may loose a shit ton of money due to GOP jackasses. Still some “everybody does it stuff” but at least half sane questions.
L. Ron Obama
That was incredible! I have never seen the man so mad.
Ash Can
@A Mom Anon: So sorry to hear about the car and the emotional trauma, so glad that you and your son are OK physically. Here’s hoping the insurance settlement goes smoothly and quickly.
As for Obama bitch-slapping the Republicans, I’m not watching it, but I’m getting goosebumps reading the comments here.
Just Some Fuckhead
Someone post a link to this Obama presser if it shows up on the internet.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
LOLZ
L. Ron Obama
@64 The Wall Street reassurance is important, if this information had come out while the markets were open it would have been a bloodbath IMO.
Alex S.
I’m glad to have watched this press conference (for once). He even called out the false equivalence of the media. The only thing I wished for was a stronger appeal to Wall Street to think over their loyalties. A quotable soundbite would have been perfect. But Wall Street should understand anyway.
Comrade Luke
@Suffern ACE:
Can’t wait for Halperin to call him a dick again.
If all you have is “I object to your TONE, sir!” you’ve lost, and lost badly. Especially after the guy just spent half an hour lambasting a party that’s trying to drive the country off a cliff because they’re trying to please the likes of…David Brooks.
Rommie
He sounds POed enough to pull the “Excuse me while I whip out the 14th amendment” trick if they keep pushing him.
joes527
Suffern ACE
Bobo is offended? How is this possible? (goes and checks calendar) Nope. It isn’t my birthday or anything.
KRK
So if you go Charlie Brown in a comment thread about what a bad deal Obama made and how it kills your end-of-DADT buzz, you’re merely acknowledging how you “know just as little as the rest of us”; but if someone else points out to another commenter who is worried that said Charlie Brown actually knows something that C.B. in fact is crying over rumors, it’s a flame war!
dr. bloor
The “Republicans got their fee-fees hurt by the Big Angry Negro” backlash on this is going to be of tsunami proportions.
Comrade Luke
@Rommie:
Agreed. Said “I’m willing to take this on myself if I have to” several times.
Thoughtcrime
ANGRY BLACK MAN ALERT! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Seriously though, more of this.
Please.
gwangung
Just for my benefit, did he actually say he wasn’t going to do that? Or was he not saying anything and giving the impression that he wasn’t, but was keeping it in his arsenal?
TaMara (BHF)
Win. Mike Kay, you are on fire tonight.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
Hamsher was right, all along.
Bender
Does Balloon Juice stand behind those political advertisements showing a black man being drowned in boiling water?
For shame. For shame.
This will be reported.
Davis X. Machina
Obama iz doin it rong. Just so you know.
what will you be doing this weekend
Never ask unless you actually want an answer. I’ll be starting the proofreading of my update (had to put the pimp back in, inter alia) of an old public domain (1909) school text of Terence’s Phormio, for one of my Latin classes in the fall to read. The OCR program didn’t understand Latin, so there was a lot of handwork left.
We’ll teach them a little theater history, too, and maybe make marionettes of the stock characters of Roman comedy — the Old Man, the Clever Slave, etc.
It’s ca. 900 lines, and āll the vōwels havē to hāve theīr quantities checked — the OCR screwed them up. One long day, with the TdF on in the background.
MaxxLange
You know, I lurk here a lot, and do not comment much. I like the site a lot, but I’ve been disappointed that certain issues are becoming Shibboleths, or even circle-jerks here.
Until 5 minutes ago, I thought that contempt for David Brooks was one of those things. Maybe this is becoming a reflex, I thought. Maybe Brooks has something to say now and again, that you guys are deaf to.
Watching him on PBS News Hour, ranting about how hard it is to “compromise” when Obama is treating the GOP “like kindergarteners” by summoning them to the White House, and how hard it must be for them to deal with someone who is “constantly insulting them”, and concluding with how “some people” will conclude that this shows a certain typical quality of arrogance, on the part of the President. I just, I don’t even…..wow.
arguingwithsignposts
@mike kay: that’s quite the end zone dance you’ve got there late in the fourth quarter.
General Stuck
No doubt, but what that should do is send more people to go watch the clip and see what he really said. That is a plus, imo. He didn’t cross the line, but goddam if the dude didn’t dance all over it.
Dee Loralei
@gwangung: Benen says he never 100% ruled it out. And if you parse the statements the Pres has said Benen is right.
A Mom Anon
@60 Felanius
I have no clue wtf she was doing. I was stopped,waiting to turn into my driveway and I saw her coming in the rear view and thought,surely she sees us,surely sh..HOLY CRAP-BOOM. I was stopped and had my turn signal on,it’s not like I just slammed on the brakes. Yipes.
JPL
I tried to call Boner’s office to ask him not to tank the economy and his mailbox is full. Any ideas on how to reach the idiot.
jl
I can only figure, unless Boehner is insane or reeally reeally stupid, that this is his poor pre already obviously FAIL attempt at making a symbolic great last stand to fend off Cantor, before he rounds up enough House GOP to put through a bipartisan stop gap. Maybe the seedy Senate fink out ‘make the president cut’ plan.
Boehner walked out a few hours after House Democrats agreed to some changes to social insurance programs. Maybe that is why. There was a deal a sane person could not refuse.
And then Boehner goes out and highlights social insurance by pointing out President will not consider ‘fundamental changes’.
You don’t need to play eleventy dimensional hyperchess to beat that kind of weirdness in the next election.
Only thing I can think right now is that House GOP is ubelievably nasty, and stupid and sleazy and irresponsible, and nuts.
Edit; regarding last sentence, don’t bother with ‘you didn’t know that already?’ comments. I knew that already. Point is, it is the ONLY thing I can think about right now. I hope a lot of other voters are thinking that too.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
Alan Grayson for President!
jwb
Bender: That’s all you got in a thread like this? Lame excuse for a troll.
Martin
Timing matters. Don’t lose your shit until it’s time to lose your shit. Boehner announced that it was officially time for Obama to lose his shit with that letter today.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
If this presser doesn’t make you a PUMA nothing will!
jwb
JPL: Try the bar nearest the House.
Alex S.
@ JPL, 89:
Maybe Rupert Murdoch can help.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
Hamsher’s boyfriend Grover Norquist is on CNN right now denouncing Obama.
Nice job, Jane.
geg6
That Obama presser was fucking awesome. Damn, is he pissed. That part where he talked about regular people and how they have been screwed and don’t deserve another screwing to make corporations and millionaires happy while getting more and more pissed was terrific. And the exit was right out of a movie. Or the West Wing. Either way, Aaron Sorkin couldn’t have written it better.
Martin
Go suck a giant green cock, bender.
JPL
jwb..no shit// all email servers are busy and his voice mail is filled..
dr. bloor
Try the bar closest to the capital or the cheapest dominatrix in downtown DC.
j
What am I doing?…
Going back to the 1950’s and pretending that there was NO gubbmint expenditures on the Interstate Highway System.
I’m taking a bunch of old racist Teatards to a train museum 90 miles away, and I will NOT use the Interstate! We are only going to use the old US Highway routes (the black and white shield with numbers roads).
I expect the old racist teabaggers to start complaining within 30 minutes…”Why aren’t you on the Innerstates (that’s how they talk).
What those Baggers (colostomy and otherwise) don’t “unnerstan” is that the “Innerstate” is BEING REBUILT because of the STIMULUS!!
Stupid Baggers. If I had a murder/suicide bent I’d let those old fuckers breathe tar fumes and dust on the “Innerstate”.
THEN they could die happy.
gwangung
Thanks.
So, the way it seems to me is that the President can play politics a WHOLE lot better than the sorry lot in DC (and on the blogs)….
Tom Q
I look forward to Lawrence O’Donnell’s gloating tonight, as this has turned out precisely as he said it would.
My take on all the trial balloons that have caused so much angst among our “we always knew Obama was a sellout” progressives:
Remember during the OJ trial, when Mark Furman pleaded the fifth? OJ’s lawyers subsequently asked him a whole bunch of outrageous questions: did you frame OJ? Did you plant the blood? Did you kill Nicole yourself? (OK, I think I made that last one up) Furman’s answer to each was, I refuse to answer on the grounds etc., because, once you’ve invoked the fifth, that’s the only answer you can give. But it sounded devastating to the jury to not hear Furman hotly deny all those accusations.
The Norquist pledge, for House GOPers, is the equivalent of the fifth. Obama knew he could offer them anything — and the jury (the voters) would hear him do so — but their only recourse would be to say no. Thus, without any risk of those offers being taken, he has positioned himself as by far the reasonable player in the bargain. The GOP looks about as vile as they did after the Clinton impeachment.
Yet, somehow, some progressives have convinced themselves this Barack guy knows nothing about politics.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
Obama certifies the end of DADT.
Obama nominates 4th openly gay person to Federal Bench.
Obama steam rolls Boehner.
Pretty good afternoon.
Villago Delenda Est
@84 MaxxLange:
I invite you, cordially, to go die in the same fire as Brooks.
Davis X. Machina
@dr. bloor: Why spend money on a lady with a riding crop when your own caucus will whale on you for free?
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
But obama’s a homophobe
Woodrow/asim Jarvis Hill
Video at the TPM post.
JPL
Boner is going to tank the economy so he can hold his seat. WTF.. I’m so upset.
jl
@106: Villago, Please re read MaxxLange comment. I think it said that the commenter now agrees with BJ consensus. Maybe you should not slam some one so quickly.
slag
@MaxxLange: I totally get where your skepticism came from. But no, if anything, DougJ is too kind to Brooks. And yet we still don’t wish him dead because that would be wrong. Especially since another one of him will just crop up in his place like in some 1980s B-rated horror movie.
MaxxLange
@106 why would you like me to be burned alive? I’d like to know what massive evil you detect in my comment, I really would.
Martin
Boehner’s up in 15 minutes. I wonder if he has any clue what he’s doing here.
Roger Moore
@A Mom Anon:
I had a similar accident last year. I got rear ended while stopped at a light waiting to make a left turn, also with my turn signal on. My guess is that inattentive drivers will sometimes see a car in a traffic lane and assume it must be moving. They don’t notice it’s stopped to make a turn until it’s too late, if at all.
Davis X. Machina
There once was an old Illinois state house hack who made very, very sure that the other fellow’s forces fired the first shot. Because sometimes these things matter. Hundred and fifty years ago this spring.
gwangung
He plays things a whole lot closer to the vest than other pols, and he’s not into the big, showy things. He’ll accept what he sees as small, minor flaws as long as the major stuff gets through and not sweat it.
I think some people have convinced themselves that they know everything that’s going on just from the surface despite the fact that Obama definitely does not leak a whole lot of stuff out.
Comrade Luke
Here’s the video of the presser.
Looks like it’s just an excerpt?
jl
Just read Boehner’s letter. I think good chance his transparently cynical stunt today was an attempt to save himself in the House GOP caucus and go for the seedy fink out Senate ‘force the president make the cuts’ plan.
Boehner put the ‘fundamental changes’ to social insurance in writing. Hooo boy. If we get through this next year plus 3 months OK, hope people learn to go vote even when not enthusiastic. One half of the US national legislature is unfit to care for a weed patch.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/documents/2011/07/boehner-ends-talks-with-white-house-on-debt-deal.php?page=1&ref=fpblg
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
I don’t blame them, after all Obama is black.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
But,.. but… but… Obama doesn’t know how to negotiate!
In fact Tim F. said so yesterday on the front page.
Roger Moore
@Tom Q:
It’s not hard to position himself as the only reasonable person in the room. Sticking by the no taxes pledge regardless of the situation really is unreasonable. Obama is just trying to show how unreasonable it is.
bemused
A Mom Anon@13,
Wow, just scratches after getting rear ended by a tank. However, you will probably feel very sore tomorrow. I recommend a long sauna, steambath or soak in a hot tub for you and your son before bed. It does wonders for stiff and sore muscles, relaxes your body and spirit.
Just Some Fuckhead
Watched the statement here:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2011/07/watch_live_obama_statement_at_the_white_house.php?ref=fpa
Doesn’t include questions and answers.
As far as the statement, what I got from it is that Obama is pissed Republicans aren’t going for a deal that fucks over Democrats. Big surprise there: Obama is apparently the last person to figure out Republicans are nihilists.
He pointed out he offered cuts to the Social Safety Net that Obots here have been swearing aren’t actual cuts, with the caveat they won’t hurt CURRENT beneficiaries.
Haven’t found a link yet for Q&A.
ETA: He also said any deal had to push it to 2013, the obvious reason he doesn’t want it to effect his reelection.
So the lesson here is Obama will do whatever it fucking takes to make sure he’s reelected.
TaMara (BHF)
@113 MaxxLange – just ignore it and chalk it up to reading comprehension issues. Welcome and pls stay de-lurked, we need some intelligent and reasonableness lately.
Ash Can
I heard a little audio clip on the radio today of Boehner complaining that “DC has a spending problem, what we really need to do is to control government spending, and the people on the other side of the aisle have no interest in doing that.” What struck me wasn’t what he said, but how he said it — he genuinely sounded like he’d had a few.
It got me to wondering if maybe Boehner showed up tanked at the negotiations today, and it was the straw that broke Obama’s back. That would be something, all right.
MaxxLange
perhaps I didn’t make myself clear. I was GOBSMACKED by what I quoted from Brooks on tonight’s Newshour…..I now consider BJ to be vindicated in full on this matter
MaxxLange
@TaMara (BHF)
thanks, gotta take yer lumps on Internet, no big deal
Comrade Luke
BTW, he also squashed the McConnell plan: any debt ceiling plan must extend through 2013, “because we’ve now seen how difficult it is to get any deal done, the economy is already weakened, and the notion that 5 or 6 months from now (it’ll be easier) makes no sense”.
jl
I’ll read the transcript of the Boehner train wreck later. Need to ignore the House GOP cesspool for awhile.
I might miss some good moments, but if he cries, there will be clips I can watch.
Thought Obama was very good today at his conference.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
Maybe Obama deserves some vindication.
And if the firebaggers and PUMAs want to earn some credibility, they’d step up and say maybe obama isn’t so evil.
Martin
Would you spend half a day sitting between Obama and Cantor and not go in +5? I wouldn’t. It’d be the only way to avoid walking in with a cyanide pill stuffed in my cheek.
jl
@131: nag nag nag.
FlipYrWhig
FTFY.
Ash Can
@MaxxLange: I too got that loud and clear from your comment. Sometimes people read too quickly, especially if they’re feeling cranky to begin with.
jl
@126 On other hand, maybe I will watch the Boehner train wreck, if he’s sauced up. That will also be an historic moment.
Dr Dave
@A Mom Anon:
I sympathize. My wife and our two boys got rear-ended by a guy who just got off an overnight shift and fell asleep behind the wheel. They were lucky that it was a station wagon so the rear end absorbed most of the energy, and he was really lucky that he ran into them instead of running off a bridge into the Narragansett Bay. His insurance was great–I hope that you can say the same about the driver who hit you today.
For tonight, the spousal unit is out of town and the kids are at a sleepover, so I will enjoy the peace and quiet and try to get some freelance textbook work done while enjoying a G & T and trying to ignore the fact that it’s still way over 90 degrees at 7:15 pm.
(back to lurker mode)
Just Some Fuckhead
@FlipYrWhig: By all means, feel free to start spinning, explaining how it’s not really what it is.
Martin
Here’s part of what’s driving Obama:
Even with a deal, our rating may be downgraded because the GOP are dicks.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
“Just Some Fuckhead”‘s comment at #124 shows the true face of firebaggery. bravo. Hamsher will be proud.
Comrade Luke
@Martin:
It would have been awesome if Boehner would signed his letter.
Sincerely,
John A. Boehner
+5
Ash Can
@Martin:
If I had a ringside seat for that kind of action, the only pluses I’d have in me would be bowls of popcorn.
Just Some Fuckhead
@Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century):
OMG, you have fatally wounded me with your juvenile charge of “firebaggery”.
Davis X. Machina
Boehner’s dead. He just doesn’t know it yet. Every Robespierre his Danton.
Pool time: Speaker McCarthy, or Speaker Cantor?
And by Christmas? Columbus Day? Labor Day?
freelancer
Wow. First question at Boehner’s presser skeptical as to why he walked away from such a generous deal. Boehner is talking in metaphors (forest, trees, Jell-O) and is completely cringeworthy.
Roger Moore
@Martin:
I think it has as much to do with the raters being dicks as anything. They’re talking about a rising debt ratio, not just an inability to pass a debt ceiling hike. IOW, the demand for a grand bargain is coming from S&P as much as it is from Obama.
JPL
freelancer..i just turned it on and he was already done..it appears that Boner doesn’t like questions. tell me what happened.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
Like gambling his presidency on the bin Laden commando raid and risking another Desert One, instead of a B-2 air strike. Yup, that obama is a craven pol always taking the safe route.
keep fucking that chicken, fuckface.
jl
@143 martin
The money people listen the the credit ratings agencies when they have information about whether some can or will pay the money or not.
They do not care so much about the rating agencies’ hack bond market analysis. The credit agencies have pulled stunts like this before. They did downgrade Japan in the past. No one in the markets cares about this kind of hackery from the agencies. It makes no difference unless powerful people can use it as stick to beat the country politically into unwise actions. That is what I fear about a downgrade, not the downgrade itself.
bemused
BO-BILL,
If Sarah had such terrific maternal instincts and skills, why did she carry around her baby Trig like he was a sack of potatoes? It would be more accurate to praise Daddy Todd for his maternal skills as he actually knew how to how a baby that age.
FlipYrWhig
@ JSF : I’m not sure why you’re so dedicated to the idea that Obama doesn’t realize who or what he’s dealing with. He fucking well knows. There are things you can KNOW and yet not SAY. Not really that hard of a concept.
slag
@Just Some Fuckhead:
Good. The last thing liberals need is another Carter-style re-election debacle.
Just Some Fuckhead
@FlipYrWhig:
I’m not being paid to carry water for the President so I’ll prolly have my own opinion of matters.
Just Some Fuckhead
@Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century):
You must be the only 5 year old on earth to think “fuckface” is more derogatory than “fuckhead”.
MaxxLange
I’d give odds, that Palin maybe would make a great Mom, all other things being equal, from the POV of her small children.
My objection is, on the one hand, trotting out her kids for pro-values promos in National Politics, and then attacking critics of those political efforts, for “personal attacks on my family”
FlipYrWhig
@ JSF : And a well-considered opinion it is.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
That’s the second time you’ve fantasized about children, fuckface. I didn’t know you were a pedophile.
Just Some Fuckhead
@FlipYrWhig:
Yes, I agree it isn’t pre-screened for its adherence to prevailing conventional wisdom or to advance the cause of temporary political actors, but seriously, do you think what you do is that hard or “well-considered”? I could spin better than you.
Just Some Fuckhead
@Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century):
Now the Obots are accusing others of pedophilia for no other reason than insufficient loyalty to President Awesome.
Anne Laurie
Mike Kay (Tribalist Arsehole): Even when your gang WINZ, you can only celebrate by pissing on your strawman “enemies”? You really are a pathological case study.
General Stuck
Jeebus fuckhead, your going to fool around and make me feel sorry for your sorry ass, with the current display of whatever drives you to these embarrassing displays of braindead trollery. Get some help, man. Very sad to watch.
General Stuck
Our gang? That really says a lot about what’s wrong with this blog and the liberal blogosphere in general.. There shouldn’t be a separate “our gang” with a dem president.
Just Some Fuckhead
@General Stupidity:
What was it? The stupid accusation of “firebaggery”, or the troublesome charge of pedophilia or the insinuation that every thing not in service to the President can’t be “well-considered”?
Do tell.
Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century)
Anne Laurie, stick to the cat blogging.
ruemara
Can’t say I don’t get Mike K’s victory wiggle, but I’ll wait to see how this all plays out. I can’t shake the feeling of a Sophie’s Choice coming out of this. But I’m prepared, willing and thankful to be wrong and to see the Republicans, Teapublicans and the conservative sphere be completely devastated by this.
General Stuck
Nah dude. It’s the hatred that radiates from everything you write, from no matter what happens. It is a bottomless pit, and cannot be covered with stupid jokes. Mike Kay is being his harmless clown self, and my comment has nothing to do with him. The good news for you, is that you aren’t alone.
Suffern ACE
@ruemara – a lovely political victory, but I get the sense that we’re about to find out what a large cuts in direct payments means.
Ruckus
Mom Anon
Take care of yourselves and watch for delayed symptoms as others have said.
Cars can be properly fixed even when bent up pretty badly. But it can take a lot of time and money to do it right. A knowledgeable and conscientious body shop can work work wonders. I have stories if you want. But with the front doors stuck it sounds like a total.
Just Some Fuckhead
@General Stuck:
That’s even better than “firebaggery” and pedophilia.
Yes, it’s all “radiated hate” to oppose the Republican tendencies of the President.
Suffern ACE
Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/07/22/2325837/faa-shutdown-would-cost-govt-200.html#ixzz1SspPk7Mu
gelfling545
@Jim C.: Don’t think it would be as impressive if he did it all the time. He is the perfect embodiment of Dryden’s words: “Beware the fury of a patient man.”