Here’s a breakup song for all of you who have finally had it with Obama, the Democrats or our political system, whichever is appropriate. Believe me, I understand the feeling. I have house guests coming for a couple of days, so I won’t be around to feel and/or share your pain, but here’s an open thread before I go.
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Town
So which politician do you think we should support?
We should start supporting them now so the momemtum can build to overtake Obama in the primaries.
I vote for Cornel West. He’s about the poor.
Egypt Steve
Where’s ABL? When the shit has hit the fan, she is the only person I want to hear from.
Joseph Nobles
I’ve not had it with Obama enough to welcome Romney/Bachmann 2012 and I never will.
But the only silver lining with this shit sandwich of a deal is that it’s warm.
13th Generation
@Egypt Steve:
I think all you’ll be hearing is the sound of crickets.
lonesomerobot
My breakup song is ‘so long, farewell, alverderzane, goodbye’ … I believe I’ll be moving back to Australia.
I’ll still vote, because it’s not like moving elsewhere makes me immune from the idiocy of schizophrenic US policy. But with a child on the way I think down under looks a lot more agreeable these days.
Poopyman
Well, at least with this shit sandwich you can’t complain that the portions are too small.
No, what really makes this a shitty shit sandwich is that voting against Obama in a primary or a general is just self-destructive. We have no real way to blow off our anger without imploding the country, and the other party already has a lock on that tactic.
Egypt Steve
@Town: Sorry, that is crazy talk. Primarying Obama is still the worst fucking idea in the history of the physical universe. It’s the Platonic ideal of bad fucking ideas. It’s so bad, if it was a singer, it would be named “Fucking Michael Jackson.” El-periodo.
lonesomerobot
@Poopyman: I’ve got an idea, especially for liberals, progressives or whatever term you prefer- repeat after me…
Obama is a moderate. He probably even leans conservative.
Repeat as many times as it takes to finally truly understand the words that are coming out of your mouth. It will save you a lot of grief.
Alex S.
Someone is ramming a shit sandwich down my throat.
Shit sandwich down my throat
Shit sandwich down my throat
(message sponsored by the committee of overused metaphors)
Egypt Steve
@13th Generation: by the way, somehow you grabbed the earlier version of my comment, which I edited to avoid the very impression I think I gave you. I don’t want to hear from ABL because I expect her to give up on Obama. I want to hear from her because I hugely dig her and I want to hear what she thinks about all this shit.
Amanda in the South Bay
I simply don’t get the rage being directed at Obama by the liberal blogosphere. Its like…people want a Republican in 2012 to win; Oh well, the left wing purity squad is apparently never happy.
I await endless blog posts by our fellow whiners about how Bachmann is preferable to Obama next year.
Poopyman
Also too, if both houses of congress were Democratic we wouldn’t be in this situation. You wanna support politicians? Look to ActBlue and DKos to find vulnerable House Republicans and support their Democratic challengers. Also, there’s a shitload of Senate Dems up for re-election this cycle. How does “Majority Leader McConnell” sound to you today? How do you think it’ll sound in 2013?
Blue Neponset
I think it is actually worse than a break up. It is more like I am stuck in this loveless marriage with Obama for the sake of the kids. There is no way I can leave this guy without hurting gay rights, abortion rights or the courts.
no video at work
@5 I wish I could join you! I have encouraged my kids to get the hell out of this country while it is still possible.
BTW – see my handle. Please be kind and at least identify the nature of videos you post. thx
Joseph Nobles
@Poopyman: Exactly.
no video at work
@13 – exactly & the Dems know it.
13th Generation
@Egypt Steve:
That makes one of us. But admitting that she’s wrong doesn’t seem to be one of her strong traits, so IF she weighs in, I have a pretty good idea where she’ll be coming from.
Just remember.. Obama’s Got This!!
FormerSwingVoter
Maybe I’m missing something here, but this deal really doesn’t seem so bad to me. Or, more accurately, not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be.
The only thing set in stone is $90 billion a year in cuts. Which is bad. But it’s not terrible. This is a lot better than the “hey, let’s carve up Social Security because old people don’t need to pay for things” shit sandwiches we were talking about last week, anyway.
Brian R.
@Poopyman:
Amen. Stop moping about how there aren’t enough progressives in Washington and start working to make it happen. It’s really not that hard.
The Moar You Know
I’ve had it with the legions of butthurt “progressives” who will be still be screaming “Obama sold us out!” like it’s some kind of mantra. This won’t change the tune they sing, the only difference is that for the next week they’ll be singing it louder.
You didn’t want this to happen? Should’ve done a better job getting the vote out in 2010, instead of sitting at home and sobbing about how Big Daddy Obama didn’t bring you a Skittles-shitting unicorn for Christmas.
Dumb fuckers. You got the government you deserve.
Montysano
It’s a hard reality to accept: a committed terrorist has a built-in advantage, one that is hard/impossible to overcome.
Xenos
@Egypt Steve: ABL is hanging out on twitter, doing that manic twitter thing sorting out what her opinions are. I tried following it for a bit, and it was very fragmented and confusing. Her typical blog posts are models of restraint, prudence, and careful phrasing in comparison.
(not that I don’t like ABL, but working with my own ADD is quite enough, thanks)
Just Some Fuckhead
@FormerSwingVoter:
It isn’t clear to me that anyone except Obama was pushing for Social Security cuts. So if yer point is Republicans didn’t let Obama shoot Democrats in the face, yeah, that’s a good thing.
Chrisd
I truly cannot imagine who that could be. The guy is nothing if not consistent in his approach. If you’ve finally run out of convoluted apologies for him, that’s your fault, not his. There’s nothing new here.
General Stuck
Gawd, I hope so, and the Obashers can finally finalize the divorce, and we can stop the charade scorched earth critique on Obama as, ‘just criticizing from the left”, and they can be true to themselves and openly oppose Obama, so we know where people stand. That would be refreshing.
nepat
This is the entire point of the professional left. These moments are like catnip to them. They’re wearing party hats and covered in confetti today.
Brian R.
Great. Do you have a song for those of us who are adults with fully functional frontal lobes?
cleek
i’m fine with Obama, but i’ve completely had it with the self-described lefty base.
lonesomerobot
It hasn’t been covered much here, but the US dollar has been falling faster than David Vitter’s diapers at an escort convention. As an example, when I moved to Australia (first time) in 2003, AUS$1 = US$0.67 … as of this morning AUS$1 = US$1.10, as high as it’s ever been.
jnfr
I don’t want a primary challenge. I don’t plan to vote for a Republican or a third party. But Obama has made some stone stupid moves about most of his choices on the economy, and his insistence on trusting the Republicans to negotiate honestly is idiotic. I have no problem saying that, even though I will vote for the guy because he is the best choice I will have available.
Town
@Egypt Steve:
It seems to me if progressives are not satisfied with the leadership (or lack of) that Pres. Obama is providing, then he needs to be replaced, and soon, in order to fight off the Tea Party extremists.
That means a strong primary candidate needs to get out there now and build support.
I’m interested in seeing who would have that type of support.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
I want my being fed up with the Republicans to be shared by other people. What’s disheartening to me is that everyone, everyone should be pissed at Republicans all the time. But lots of people know that the Republicans don’t care, so they hope to take it out on someone who does.
Yet, somehow, the fact that the Republicans don’t care is somehow only we’re having trouble with, not Obama.
And I’m sorry, but taking out the country to make a point is something that Republicans might want to do, but not me.
cleek
@jnfr:
can anybody explain what this means?
i hear it all the time, but i’ve never been able to connect these words with reality.
sixers
Obama’s got this?
Just Some Fuckhead
@Brian R.:
Unless you want a more progressive President, then what the fuck are you trying to do, firebagger?
Did I get that right?
Samara Morgan
ramadan mubarak juicers!
Obama did what he could. Incase you haven’t figgered it out yet, we are still living in Distributed Jesusland&trade, and half the country is still Bubba.
The teabaggers are already whining about “draconian” defense cuts.
and i thought this was interesting….
is the long game getting rid of the Bush taxcuts?
the CBO says the Bush taxcuts is 3.6 trillion in revenue.
Obama ran the best play he could given the facts on the ground.
He’s still got my vote, and my gratitude and admiration.
and i’ll be working on his campaign again. :)
its a good thing mistermix is going to be out for a few.
im already hungry.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
Samara Morgan
Atta girl
cleek
i suppose it’s pointless that this ‘deal’ hasn’t yet been passed by either the House or the Senate, nor has it been signed by Obama ?
Chinn Romney
ABL has her own site and she has weighed in. The short version: Fearless Leader has brilliantly acquired 4 Friedman Units, and if we use them wisely, stick together and vote the scoundrels out life will be good again.
Juicetard (FKA Liberty60)
Seriously, this is Obama’s fault?
The American people handed control of Congress to crazed fanatics.
They promptly took the economy hostage, and
threatenedwere perfectly willing to let it burn down unless they got their way.Obama gave in rather than let the economy collapse in a burning shambles.
Fine, sulk for a while, but then get the fuck up and fight like hell to recapture ground in 2012.
This is the Tea Party that gave us this shit sandwich. We need to tie all this pain and misery to their necks.
They are the ones who want to cut Medicare.
They are the ones who want to shrink investment in infrastructure.
They are the ones who want to hand gold plated tax cuts to billionaires.
If you are going to pick up a rusty pitchfork, at least aim it in the right goddam direction.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@jnfr:
They control one of the Houses of Congress, the one that generates spending bills. And between 2009 and 2011, they manipulated the rules that the Congressional Dems failed to fix. It doesn’t matter if he’s trusting them to negotiate honestly, he’s required to deal with them.
If you have joint custody of the children, it doesn’t matter what you think of your ex, you still have to deal with them.
artem1s
so is the ‘clean’ option? IMHO this is the most important part of any vote.
Will we have to do this all over again before the 2012 election? If not then there is still plenty of whinging opportunities available to the Firebaggers about what Obama is giving away this week.
The election can still be about how the Repugs just want more tax breaks for the uber wealthy.
If they don’t have to raise the debt ceiling every 5 minutes to avoid default, Congress may actually have to do something about the economy and jobs.
In other words, this months political Kabuki is over, time to move on to the next act. But we are still looking at another year of drama with Boehner’s chorus of Teahaddists moaning about the evils of Gubmit and extolling the virtues of Chaos and Eris.
Brian R.
You want a more progressive President, give the one we have more progressive votes in Congress. He’s been intent on restoring the constitutional role that Congress has lowly abdicated in recent decades, and keeps deferring to them.
And then, in 2016, back a progressive in the primaries.
But primary an incumbent president? Go review how well that worked out in 1968 and 1980. Those bold challenges from the left were rewarded with Presidents Nixon and Reagan. Nice job there.
Litlebritdifrnt
From reading all the comments at various places this morning it appears that the Teabaggers hate the deal and the Firebaggers hate the deal. Ergo, it must be a pretty good deal in my ‘umble opinion.
Ash Can
Yes, the deal’s a shit sandwich. Of course it’s a shit sandwich. The 2010 elections guaran-fucking-teed that it would be a shit sandwich.
You know what’s really wrong with the Democrats? THERE’S NOT ENOUGH OF THEM.
Welcome to politics in the USA.
Just Some Fuckhead
@Brian R.: So I had it right then?
jcgrim
Disgusting. Does anyone think Obama didn’t want this deal to begin with and the debt ceiling disaster was Kabuki to actually get it? His masters want a piece of our social security to gamble, and they are going to get it. The 11 step chess game is against the Dems. Last week Conyers realized Obama was betraying them, leaving them vulnerable for re-election.
From Salon:
“Democratic Rep. John Conyers, appearing at a meeting of the Out of Poverty caucus, said: “The Republicans — Speaker Boehner or Majority Leader Cantor — did not call for Social Security cuts in the budget deal. The President of the United States called for that”
Clever moniker
@Town:
No, house and senate republicans need to be replaced (and the state and local govs matter two). I’m disgusted by this deal, but the rotten core of this problem is in the house of reps.
Also, there isn’t any sort of strong Democratic personality that could really take on Obama like Kennedy did with Carter (and look at how that turned out). The only way he’s leaving is if he decides not to run, like LBJ (and again, look at how that turned out).
lonesomerobot
@Juicetard (FKA Liberty60): Not sure I’m on the same page with this. I would argue that petulant “progressives” would be just as at fault for not showing up in 2010, and for threatening same for 2012. I do seem to recall this is an act of self-flagellating purity that has infected us before, as most of my Nader 2000 voting friends could attest to. We have seen the enemy, and it is us.
GVG
Things would have been better if the house was still democrat controlled, preferably by a large margin. elect more democrats. A lot of things can be improved with future better Congresses.
Re: lonesomerobot – August 1, 2011 | 10:18 am · Link
It hasn’t been covered much here, but the US dollar has been falling faster than David Vitter’s diapers at an escort convention. As an example, when I moved to Australia (first time) in 2003, AUS$1 = US$0.67 … as of this morning AUS$1 = US$1.10, as high as it’s ever been….thats about the rate it was when we visited a couple of years ago so I disagree that it’s as high as it’s ever been. Not that that makes this event good or anything. Australia’s food costs seemed amazingly high to me though.
Amanda in the South Bay
Even better: its disgruntled progressives who are thoroughly buying into the MSM meme of both sides do it. Even worse, the variant that says Dems have a disproportionate share of the blame.
Brian R.
@Just Some Fuckhead:
Pretty much.
This president didn’t run as a progressive, and anyone who’s shocked by his instincts to compromise and seek moderate solutions was only listening to their own fevered imaginations during the 2008 campaign.
This is the best president we can have. Primarying him in 2012 will only help elect a Republican.
Cacti
Boy howdy, there sure are a lot of new commenters today.
How strange…or not.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@lonesomerobot: According to polls – which caused me to correct my belief as well – the “base” showed up at the same percentage as it had in 2006. The independents and sometime Democrats did not show up, and the teabaggers really showed up for the Republicans.
lonesomerobot
@GVG: I follow the rates quite closely and I can tell you for certain the rates that have been hit this year are the highest they’ve ever been. They definitely didn’t cross parity until last year, certainly not a couple of years ago.
Just Some Fuckhead
@Brian R.: So your advice is we should work work for more progressives unless we shouldn’t?
Tom65
The Firebaggers and the Teabaggers hate it equally, so I’m thinking it’s just about perfect.
Go read:
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/08/paul-krugman-is-political-rookie-or-how.html
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
The GOP did this to us, and they aren’t even on your list. WTF?
Strandedvandal
@The Moar You Know: A- fuckin-men
Dr Dave
I’m with the crowd that acknowledges that something like this was inevitable when the voters turned control of the House over to the R’s–especially given the fact that a significant number of the new R’s are so disconnected from reality that they voted for a budget that spends more than they are willing to collect in taxes and are railing against a system that brings more money into their districts than it takes out.
The only way to fix this is at the ballot box. As somebody said above, find a way to make a difference in a district where a D has a chance of replacing an R. Maybe that means sending $. Maybe it means helping to identify candidates who represent your values. Maybe it just means trying to talk sense calmly and at a person-to-person level to people you know who might vote in those districts and showing them how they have been lied to over and over again. Aside from that, we’re stuck playing defense for now while we get ready to go on offense next summer.
Back to lurking again…
lonesomerobot
@Belafon (formerly anonevent): What about 2008? I know because it’s not a presidential election year numbers are always down. But we were told for months before 2010 that the voter intensity gap was large.
I will say that what I believe the true problem to be is poor people who vote like they’re rich people. Jilted progressives are in the mix, but only because they can never come to terms with the fact that in America, progressives were born to be jilted.
Kane
Maybe George W. Bush was right all along. Maybe the American public does require to have empty slogan banners posted at each political event so that they can understand what they are to believe. Maybe the American public does need a president to play dress up as a cowboy or a pilot to feel inspired. Perhaps it is necessary for a president to speak in a bullhorn and make empty declarations for the American public to rally behind a common cause. Maybe an American president needs to butcher the English language and to swagger as if he has cronic armpit rash to convince the American public that he truly is an American citizen. Perhaps the American public is more comfortable with a president who makes policy based on his conversations with God rather than a president who relies on his intellect. Maybe the American public prefers a president who offers histrionics rather than calm and steady leadership. Maybe the American public is just more accustomed to petty
politics and Rovian attacks, and they simply aren’t ready for an adult in the White House.
Samara Morgan
meh….its not even close to shit sandwich.
its a stealth way of raising revenues.
tapper
Problem: how to raise revenues in a recession, when Grover NOrquist is screeching daily and making GOPers wet their pants with fear?
do eet stealthy.
increasing revenue is an available option for the supercommittee to avoid the hammergun on defense and on discretionary spending. its like sewing the two factions in a sack and throwing them in the river.
all along Obama has tried to make Congress do its job.
this is just more of the same.
Town
Well it’s clear that Obama is not the progressive president many people expected, and many people feel that he caves too much.
So, if we have this president who caves too much, and many people feel he gives away the store to the Republicans, what is the harm in primarying him? Whether he wins or loses, we end up with a Republican president, right?
Wouldn’t it be better and a more productive use of energy for progressives to abandon this president right now and start looking for a progressive alternative who will fight hard for progressive ideals?
General Stuck
@Tom65:
LOL, Roger that.
Woodrow "asim" Jarvis Hill
@Tom65: Thanks for that link. It’s the first one I’ve seen — including Benen, Fallows, and so forth — that actually explains what’s being cut in detail, and the implications for progressives.
There are a ton of people out there bitching about this. Which is fine, I support that this sucks, but maybe, just maybe, they might want to see what’s in it before evoking The End Of The American Experiment.
cleek
@Town:
yeah, party like it’s 1999! not a dime’s worth of difference!
if you think Obama is a Republican, President Bachmann is gonna be one rude awakening for you.
Bruce S
That’s crazy…we’re in this. I don’t get people who act like politics is something that is supposed to make them feel good – and “Obama’s got this!” has been just as infantile an approach as “I’m taking my ball and going home if Obama doesn’t do this the way I see it.” We get too much of both here IMHO, and the “alternatives” become cartoons conjured in fevered imaginations.
Then there’s this:
Town
Well according to many progressives, no there’s not a dime’s worth of difference.
So who can we get to replace Obama, to ensure progressive ideals are met and fought for?
Just Some Fuckhead
@Bruce S:
Janrul Stock haz alaways beyen a fiskool consarvutif, a rale deffisit hark. You heerd it heer furst.
Bruce S
A plausible “best of all possible worlds” scenario in the wake of this disgusting “drama” –
http://titanicsailsatdawn.blogspot.com/2011/08/best-of-all-possible-worlds-in-wake-of.html
(Although anyone who starts arguing that “this has been the plan all along, because…uh…you know…’Obama’s Always Got This!’ ” should check into rehab…)
Samara Morgan
@Kane: nah, its demographic evolution in action.
The problem with western style democracies with freedom of speech and freedom of religion and guaranteed citizen rights, is that immigration and differential reproductive rates are diluting the original anglosaxon christian electorates.
That is why 10 years and 4.4 trillion dollars later there are no converts to westernstyle democracy in Iraq and A-stan, and why in 2008 non-hispanic cauc became a minority in children under five in America.
ramadan kareem, juicers!
NamelessGenXer
Because sitting home sucking your
thumbteabags on election day is the Most Brilliant Strategy Evah!® for enacting a progressive agenda.cleek
@Town:
that’s because many progressives are blithering idiots.
two ponies and a magic unicorn! also, 60 House members and 15 Senate seats would help more than anything. because, you could elect the pure progressive pony platform ghost of FDR and he still wouldn’t be able to get shit done with a teabagger House and a filibuster-prone Senate.
cleek
@Bruce S:
is anyone actually arguing that ?
Davis X. Machina
@Belafon (formerly anonevent):
+19 R voting by voters over 65. (ABC exit poll) Double the gap from ’08. Their polling only goes back to ’92, and it’s the largest since they started. (For comparison, McCain carried that demo by +10) And these are the most likely-to-vote voters there are.
There’s the House right there.
Davis X. Machina
@Bruce S: They’ll have to elbow their way through the “Obama was just waiting all along to do this…” crowds, though.
Bruce S
Name a couple of influential progressives who’ve been critical of Obama’s strategy – not some guy you talked to on a bus or whose blog comment you read – who make that claim. Would that be Paul Krugman, Bob Kuttner or Robert Reich? Maybe Ed Schultz or Keith Olberman, if we want to go the TeeVee talker in “left field” route? Who has even come close to making that argument among progressives? Names of real people, please.
(I’m sure you can come up with something, but I’m also sure it will be at the risk of making the “many progressives” part of that comment look utterly tendentious if not imbecilic.)
Bruce S
cleek – I have a hunch you didn’t even read what I was referring to…
General Stuck
@Bruce S:
Don’t believe I used the term “perfect”, but you can lie on the internet all you want. I said I wouldn’t even call it a win, but also not a great and thunderous defeat either. There are both good and bad things in it, like everything else that comes out of Washington.
Now be a nice lying motherfucker, and go to hell.
Town
Name a couple of influential progressives who’ve been critical of Obama’s strategy – not some guy you talked to
So if progressives aren’t screaming to primary Obama, or screaming they’ve had it with Obama, and don’t vote to teach Obama a lesson, who are these people saying we should primary Obama and where is that sentiment coming from?
General Stuck
@Just Some Fuckhead:
Sounds like you need your drool cup replaced there fuckhead. Maybe Bruce S, can let you use one of his.
General Stuck
Internet progressives – tempest in a chamber pot
You children get all the cry out yer system, and go fix your faces. This shit will get worse before it gets really bad. As will the emo wailing from the left. Then we go vote. This is how its always been.
MazeDancer
@Samara Morgan:
And go over the heads of Grover/MSM straight to the People. Harness their RealityTV desire to vote off the island and tell them to Contact Congress. Praise them when they do it.
And know that you will be increasing the “I’m the champion of the middle class, they’re protecting the rich” click here to help appeal for the next 15 months.
2008 was the beginning of using American desire to click and control things via the internet. 2012 will be a Plouffe click-a-palooza
Bruce S
That’s what I asked you. The names?
Frankly, this “many progressives” crap is just another version of the “some say” we hear from people like the blonde airheads at FOX.
Names ?
Bruce S
General Stuck
Hey, you’re the moron who pronounced the result of this hostage drama “Just About Perfect.”
Given the level of “seriousness” and analytic competence you demonstrate here, the ideal environment for your “skills” would be a boxing ring with Jane Hamsher…except she’d probably whip your ass.
AdmiraL_Komack
@Town:
The Progressive Left would rather go emo.
Working to put Democrats in Congress, well, they won’t do it.
Why?
It cuts into their emo time…and the grifting potential is nil.
Bruce S
General Stuck – August 1, 2011 | 10:53 am · Link
@Tom65:
“The Firebaggers and the Teabaggers hate it equally, so I’m thinking it’s just about perfect.”
“LOL, Roger that.”
Eat your own shit, pal! Or, in your words
Town
Many progressives like Tavis Smiley, Cornel West, Jane Hamsher, Paul Krugman, Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, most of the Congressional Black Caucus, Ed Shultz etc. are very upset at Obama and want someone better in place to put forth progressive ideals.
Who are the progressives who ARE supporting Obama?
AdmiraL_Komack
@Town:
Um…I think John Edwards is picking out drapes for his prison cell.
cleek
@Bruce S:
Bernie Sanders, for one.
General Stuck
@Bruce S:
Even a moron like you knows that both Tom65 and my comment was tongue in cheek snark. Using that to claim a serious position is the kind of mindless douchebaggery we have come to adore from you.
Bruce S
Since you’re little other than creepy “snark” of course I take your most ridiculous crap “seriously.” Because it’s all you’ve ever got.
Go fuck yourself, you preening little prick. You contribute nothing.
Samara Morgan
@MazeDancer: i think he’s got this.
:)
dig ezra
meep meep!
AdmiraL_Komack
@The Moar You Know:
Thank you.
Town
I’m merely trying to get answers to some questions, but I see you don’t have any, so carry on!
General Stuck
@Bruce S:
I produce just as much hot air as the rest of you prissy progs. And that’s not easy to do with humorless gasbags like yourself as the standard
Bruce S
cleek – “for one”
Good work. Still don’t see “many progressives.” And, of course, Sanders is not a member of the Democratic Party, so he can play his gadfly role about putting an “agenda” before the people using the primaries, but there will not be “many progressives” supporting this.
You guys have conjured straw men in order to promote a childish “Obama’s Got This!” narrative that’s about as “emo” and resentment-based as it gets. Rationaliztion-uber-alles. Very little substantive response to the serious critics on Obama’s left. It’s generally just the kind of near-insane rage and hate-mongering we see from creeps like Stuck, who want everything they don’t like to hear to simply go away and use the tactic of “Maybe if I call enough names and yell loud enough!” The flip side of the Tea Party crazies.
Bruce S
Town – that carefully chosen commment was directed at the foul little dipshit General Stuck – because that’s the only kind of talk he understands.
If you want to identify with him, that’s your burden.
Omnes Omnibus
@Town: Who can we get to replace Obama? No one. If a serious primary takes place on the D side, it is odds on that the R will take the presidency. Oh, yeah, both house of Congress too. I am sure that would bring on a fantastic progressive agenda. Look, if the is a solid Democratic House and Senate with a progressive plurality, good legislation and policy will happen. Work for that and start talent spotting for 2016.
General Stuck
@Bruce S:
Dude, you are going to make it to the top shelf for projection on this blog, if you don’t watch it. Are you even capable of not accusing others of what you are doing yourself? Stop your infernal whining, and hug your Unicorn. It will be okay once the swelling goes down.
Bruce S
Town – you’re not even close to accurate in that comment #89. The issue at hand was people who actually claim there’s “not a dimes worth of difference” between Obama and his opponents on the Right. While there are a couple of people on that list I think are worthless bullshitters and whiners, you are fucking lying if you make the claim that your list is comprised even “mostly” of people who fit the category at issue.
You guys are sloppy and, more than likely, just reduced to pure stupid because you’ve got an agenda that’s as steeped in resentments and some conjured “hit list” as any Tea Partier. You don’t deal with real issues or real questions. Just attack dogs – like the people you claim to reject. “Not a dimes worth of difference” between you and the worst morons on your enemies list.
Bruce S
Stuck – you’re talking about yourself. You have attacked me with insane crap like “rat fucker” and “Obama hater” when you haven’t had a clue other than your obsession with Jane Hamsher. You’ve got a problem…
General Stuck
Teehee. Shorter Bruce S. – I’m right and special, and no one can see it.
Bruce S
Town – I’m represented by one of the most “progressive” reps of the Congressional Black Caucus and I know for a fact that you are either ignorant or making up stuff to rationalize your own rage in these threads…
Bruce S
Stuck – that was your best to date. You’re a total genius at this stuff. I’m terribly impressed with your contributions to Balloon Juice.
(Seriously, I’d love for you to go back to my first reference to you in this thread and explain how it’s not just infantile resentment and as destructive as anything Jane Hamsher could dream up. But you can’t…so this stuff will have to carry you.)
General Stuck
@Bruce S:
Of course I am no angel, and have always freely admitted that I can be a nasty individual, when I think it’s needed, and sometimes even when it’s not needed. But what I don’t do is start whining and placing myself above what it is I do just as much of as others.
Like you do and are doing once again when challenged. I didn’t direct the first comment to you, but you took it that way and went on the attack. We call that flame bait, and you take it hook line and sinker about every time. It is an internet tradition. Not the most noblest, but tradition just the same.
Kane
Imagine. You’re elected president of the United States of America. As you walk into the White House on the first day, you’re presented with an enormous pile of challenges: The country is involved in two wars, one which has been overextended and the other ignorned and mismanaged since the invasion. We’re loosing 800,000 jobs per month and facing massive unemployment beyond the foreseeable future. Some governors are considering bankruptcy, while others are talking about seceding from the Union. Millions of homes are being foreclosed. Fifty million Americans don’t have healthcare insurance. The American auto industry is about to disappear. The infrastructure of the country has long been ignored and is rapidly crumbling. The country is in massive debt. The richest one percent have more financial wealth than the bottom 95 percent combined. There are terroists at home and abroad who want to kill Americans and destroy the country. Scientists are offering dire warnings about climate change. Our students can’t afford college. We are falling behind in science and math in our schools. Gays and lesbians are being denied their civil rights. Our relationships abroad are fragmented. And the list goes on.
Now, fix it!
Oh, and by the way, the political party largely responsible for much of these problems has decided that it’s in their political interest to try to prevent you from fixing any of these problems. And you should also know that Blue Dog congressional members of your own party are going to oppose you as well; they have bigger fish to fry. And lets not forget a corrupt conservative media offering their 24/7 attacks and conspiracy theories, and a juvenile left that threatens a primary challenge everytime they are unhappy with you.
Bruce S
The first comment I made about you was a total insult – because that stupid “thought” you expressed deserved it. I’m not above calling you a stupid motherfucker – I think you are. But you haven’t responded with one bit of substance to the criticism of your calling out progressives who criticize Obama to simply leave the Party and…something or other. Guys like you are as destructive as Jane Hamsher and no friends of the President. I believe that and stand by it. It’s not just an “insult” but my considered opinion. If you want to defend the POV you expressed, it’s a free country. But it’s also proof of a moronic and infantile attitude.
THis is’n’t “flame bait” but a fundamental criticism of your persistent pose here. It’s asinine and takes discussion down a couple of levels so that it’s all about your attitude, not anything any sane person would actually want to contemplate of consider. And it seems to be all you’ve got.
General Stuck
The first reference in this thread by you to me, was hilarious in its over reaction by you, to me using the term Obasher. Your emo is stuck on stupid, dude. You might want to dial it down some.
Now its a fact I don’t care for firebaggers, obashers, etc… and they don’t much care for obots. That is evident. But I think such a mutual distrust and dislike between people can be a spring board for an honest and unloving relationship and blog experience.
I pull few punches of what i am for and against and neither do most others here. And I am always prepared to defend by positions. But you get the butthurt and go viral so easy, I fear you will run out of gas before the election. Pace yourself.
General Stuck
I’m shocked that you have this opinion of me. Please note that it is mutual as backatcha. I will just have to find the strength to carry on here without your support. It will be difficult, but somehow, and with the help of the mighty FSM, I will survive your disappointment in my commentary.
Would you like a peach?
AdmiraL_Komack
@Bruce S:
“Town – I’m represented by one of the most “progressive” reps of the Congressional Black Caucus…”
Like, WOW!
I’m sooooooooooooooo impressed. (SNARK)
85. Bruce S – August 1, 2011 | 11:29 am · Link
“So if progressives aren’t screaming to primary Obama, or screaming they’ve had it with Obama, and don’t vote to teach Obama a lesson, who are these people saying we should primary Obama and where is that sentiment coming from?”
“That’s what I asked you. The names?”
“Frankly, this “many progressives” crap is just another version of the “some say” we hear from people like the blonde airheads at FOX.”
“Names ?”
@89. Town – August 1, 2011 | 11:36 am · Link
“That’s what I asked you. The names?”
“Frankly, this “many progressives” crap is just another version of the “some say” we hear from people like the blonde airheads at FOX.”
“Names ?”
“Many progressives like Tavis Smiley, Cornel West, Jane Hamsher, Paul Krugman, Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, most of the Congressional Black Caucus, Ed Shultz etc. are very upset at Obama and want someone better in place to put forth progressive ideals.”
“Who are the progressives who ARE supporting Obama?”
I notice you haven’t answerered Town’s question, and Town HAS provided names.
102. Bruce S – August 1, 2011 | 11:55 am · Link
“Town – you’re not even close to accurate in that comment #89. The issue at hand was people who actually claim there’s “not a dimes worth of difference” between Obama and his opponents on the Right. While there are a couple of people on that list I think are worthless bullshitters and whiners, you are fucking lying if you make the claim that your list is comprised even “mostly” of people who fit the category at issue.”
“You guys are sloppy and, more than likely, just reduced to pure stupid because you’ve got an agenda that’s as steeped in resentments and some conjured “hit list” as any Tea Partier. You don’t deal with real issues or real questions. Just attack dogs – like the people you claim to reject. “Not a dimes worth of difference” between you and the worst morons on your enemies list.”
Moving the goalposts, great move Bruce S.!
Fucen Pneumatic Fuck Wrench Tarmal
so anyone still wondering why republicans win at this shit and we don’t?
good luck getting the entire left to shout about the need to raise taxes on the rich all at once, for as long as it takes to accomplish it.
fuck addressing any sort of problem whatsoever, without 19 other issues being raised, as though they are being neglected in the pursuit of that objective.
and there is no chance in hell the dems could have stood there back in april or whenever this hostage crisis started and demanded a clean bill, you know back when it mattered to suggest such a thing. there is no way the left could have stayed on point long enough to deliver that message, the way the right brays about the deficit, and how taxes are too high.
http://youtu.be/MhNp9UHupOw
Bruce S
Unfortunately, Admiral Komack appears not to be able to read. There were two different comments at issue.
I asked for names in regard to a specific claim.
Then Town responded with a list of names and made a specific assertion he tied to it that was different. Cleek responded as well. You’re mixing up two sets of responses in order to deliberately falsify.
I didn’t “move the goal posts” – Town did and I responded to that. You can past this together to try to rationalize your half-assed attack, but you’re full of shit here. Sorry.
Admiral_Komack
@Bruce S:
Nope.
You’re full of shit.
But I already knew that.
Thanks for playing.
Bruce S
Komack – you’re not even a good liar. Just stick with your fabricated version. It’s the level that you guys are comfortable with. You have the brains and intellectual integrity of a TeaTard.
Also, my comment about my congressional rep was that I knew through personal experience that Town’s claim about the Black Caucus was wholly made up. Just crap. But defend these lies. It’s your forte.
Tom65
It’s like RAAAAAA-EEEEE-AYYYYYYYYYN on your wedding day…
socynical
Naughty,naughty – playing agent provocateur – curious lncitement indeed ,and yet no-one took the bait.Aren’t you supposed to be playing for the same team ?
From wee see you open thread :
-“I just asked on Balloon Juice which person should we support over Obama, since “mistermix” has had it with Obama. I threw in Cornel West to see what the reaction would be to him, but there’s 101% chance this progressive hero the BJs clamor for will be white.
Let’s watch and observe”