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You are here: Home / Slate to become even more boring and predictable

Slate to become even more boring and predictable

by DougJ|  August 24, 20118:30 pm| 51 Comments

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Slate just laid off press critic, Jack Shafer, who was the only reason I ever read Slate.

“We have made some editorial changes, including a small reduction in our full time staff and our contractors,” says Slate editor David Plotz. “Press Box” columnist Jack Shafer confirms in an email to Adweek’s Dylan Byers that he was laid off, but says he’ll continue as a contributor.

William Saletan will continue to pen white supremacist screeds and muse about anal sex for the online publication.

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  1. 1.

    Raven (formerly stuckinred)

    August 24, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    What song is that from?

  2. 2.

    hilts

    August 24, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    David Plotz is a fucking PUTZ

  3. 3.

    Jenny

    August 24, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Sometimes the invisible hand get’s it right.

  4. 4.

    Big Baby DougJ

    August 24, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    Shafer is a really good guy, answers email, doesn’t pull punches in his columns. He’s the opposite of everything that sucks about Slate. Even though he’s a libertarian.

  5. 5.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 24, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    @Raven (formerly stuckinred): It is a b-side from an import version of one of the Buzzcocks minor singles. Didn’t you know that?

  6. 6.

    Big Baby DougJ

    August 24, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Hey, I’m not an obscurantist!

  7. 7.

    hilts

    August 24, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    OT

    It’s time to add the Daily Mail to the list of sites that Balloon Juice monitors and mocks as needed

    These links are worthy of the NY Post:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2029615/Michelle-Obama-accused-spending-10m-public-money-vacations.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2029307/Michelle-Obama-shows-President-tiny-purple-bike-shorts-Marthas-Vineyard.html

  8. 8.

    Raven (formerly stuckinred)

    August 24, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I’m too old to know about the Buzzcocks.

  9. 9.

    Suffern ACE

    August 24, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Who will point out those morally panicy but obviously dubious bogus press trends?

  10. 10.

    JPL

    August 24, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    OT….Earlier today someone mentioned that they were reading “In the Garden of Beasts” and I found this link on NPR.
    Things can get very dangerous here. The economy is sinking and the repubs don’t care, they see it as winning. The repub candidates are scary to say the least. I just wish one journalist or reporter would ask what country doesn’t have safety nets.
    Sorry Doug for not worrying about Slate..I haven’t read them in months.

  11. 11.

    Lev

    August 24, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    I like Fred Kaplan’s work at Slate too. But man, does that place have some zeroes in it. I remember listening to their political podcast with John Dickerson, Plotz and someone else, and I really don’t recommend it unless you want to get in a car crash on your commute home. It’ll make you that angry.

  12. 12.

    Fucen Pneumatic Fuck Wrench Tarmal

    August 24, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    to be fair, i thought it was a metaconcept greatest hits album from any of the bands that ever did a greatest hits and a concept album.

  13. 13.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 24, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    @Big Baby DougJ: Is that Soft cell?

  14. 14.

    Jenny

    August 24, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    @Big Baby DougJ: Meh. Hitler was a vegan and loved his dog.

  15. 15.

    Brian S

    August 24, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    The only person I read at Slate is Dahlia Lithwick. If she’s gone, I’ll definitely never go back.

  16. 16.

    Freddie deBoer

    August 24, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    Holy christ, I hate Slate.

  17. 17.

    SuzieC

    August 24, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    OK, I rarely read Slate and now will read it even less frequently. I never read Salon now that Glenn has gone off the deep end. Kos too, to some degree. Help! What should I read for sane, liberal commentary, in addition to BJ?

  18. 18.

    justinslot

    August 24, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    Man, a lot of people whose opinion I respect have been mentioning this, first on Twitter and now Doug here. I guess I’ve misjudged Shafer, who I always just assumed was one of the usual Slate “contrarian” “hey you’ve been hearing about this? NO IT’S TOTALLY WRONG” thinkers.

    EDIT to add: I only read Weigel there at this point, and Dahlia Lithwick.

  19. 19.

    Jenny

    August 24, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    Speaking of job loss, Steve Jobs resigned today. News organizations are already ghoulishly speaking of him in the past tense.

  20. 20.

    Big Baby DougJ

    August 24, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    @justinslot:

    Shafer is not contrarian. He’s written about half-a-dozen very good pieces about the Murdoch drama in the UK, all of which were excellent.

  21. 21.

    Big Baby DougJ

    August 24, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    @justinslot:

    I like Dahlia but I don’t follow Supreme Court stuff too much. I don’t love Weigel, he’s a dogged political reporter, but he’s kind of a moron too.

  22. 22.

    Anne Laurie

    August 24, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    Meh. Shafer, to my reading, was always a little too impressed with his own hipster contrariness. I still like Dave Weigel, and Dahlia Lithwick, read them both on a regular basis, and don’t hesitate to click over to other Slate stories on the right-hand column. Unlike, for instance, David Froomkin, who was on my must-read list until the click-mining horror that is HuffPo wore out my limited patience & bandwidth. Or Jim Newell and John Cook at Gawker… much as I love reading those guys, the ugliness of their sponsor sites means I don’t read them nearly as often as I once did.

  23. 23.

    hilts

    August 24, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    @Suffern ACE:

    Who will point out those morally panicy but obviously dubious bogus press trends?

    Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting

  24. 24.

    justinslot

    August 24, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    @Big Baby DougJ: I will have to check those out. The last I heard from him was during the Vargas drama where he made the absurd claim that Vargas lying about his visa meant he couldn’t be trusted about anything else, and then I went back to my default Slate-avoiding mode.

  25. 25.

    Violet

    August 24, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    @JPL:

    Sorry Doug for not worrying about Slate..I haven’t read them in months.

    I haven’t read Slate regularly since 1999, I think. Oh, wait, there was a bit during the run up to the 2004 election where I looked at it about once a week. That’s it. Never understood the appeal.

  26. 26.

    Raven (formerly stuckinred)

    August 24, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    @Anne Laurie: I like you.

  27. 27.

    Anne Laurie

    August 24, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    @Big Baby DougJ:

    I don’t love Weigel, he’s a dogged political reporter, but he’s kind of a moron too.

    He’s a libertarian, with a sense of humor. You have to appreciate the “tongue so firmly in cheek as to protrude from the vulgar bodily orifice”* writing style to enjoy Weigel.

    * quote from R.A. Lafferty, incomparable s.f. writer

  28. 28.

    Jenny

    August 24, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    @SuzieC:

    What should I read for sane,

    Steve Benen

    Greg Sargent

    Bob Cesca

    The Peoples View

  29. 29.

    Jenny

    August 24, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    @SuzieC:

    What should I read for sane,

    Steve Benen

    Greg Sargent

  30. 30.

    Anne Laurie

    August 24, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    @Raven (formerly stuckinred): Thanks! I try my best.

  31. 31.

    JPL

    August 24, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    @Violet: I was going to say years but thought that I might have linked to them within the last twelve months.

  32. 32.

    Violet

    August 24, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    And here I was certain it was from a Beat import EP (not English Beat, because of course it was an import and thus authentic).

  33. 33.

    kth

    August 24, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    I didn’t see Shafer’s Murdoch series, but what I did read of him (probably a dozen or so items over the years) was undiluted and tiresome glibertarianism. Also a perennial Fox News apologist.

  34. 34.

    Jenny

    August 24, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    @SuzieC:

    What should I read for sane,

    Bob Cesca

    The Peoples View

    I also like plainblogaboutpolitics.blogspot.com and Steve Kornacki at Salon.

    Also too, Chait and Cohn at TNR.

  35. 35.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 24, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    @Violet: They did a ska cover.

  36. 36.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    August 24, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    @Jenny: Good answer on that. Benen and Sargent are great.

    I think Weigel’s kind of a moron too, even as he’s tenacious at times. I do enjoy Dahlia Lithwick, and like Anne Lautie, I don’t hesitate to wander into stories that look like they could be worth reading, though I am sometimes disappointed. Kinda like life; heh.

  37. 37.

    hilts

    August 24, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    @SuzieC:

    Listen to Democracy Now with Amy Goodman and Free Speech Radio News and read Truthdig, Truthout, Consortiumnews, Alternet, Common Dreams, and Nieman Watchdog.

  38. 38.

    MikeJ

    August 24, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    @hilts: Hwh! That’s funny. Amy Goodman and sane in the same sentence.

    She was batshit insane when Clinton was in office.

  39. 39.

    Elizabelle

    August 24, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    Mickey Kaus still got his contrarian perch at Slate?

    Too bad about Shafer; he wrote some good stuff. And some not so good stuff.

    Used to like Slate, but it’s not as good any more. For going on a year or two now. Maybe it’s more like the Daily Beast? Anyhoo, not worth checking more than once a month or so.

  40. 40.

    Bill Murray

    August 24, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    @hilts: she said liberal, not leftist :)

  41. 41.

    Elizabelle

    August 24, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    @Jenny:

    I’d recommend Kevin Drum. Good analysis, but he’s got lotso trolls in the comments. Not so fun to read the threads.

    http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum

    Also recommend Ta Nehisi Coates — most thoughtful blogposts out there. AND you can click on right of the webpage to link to James Fallows — another good guy.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/ta-nehisi-coates

  42. 42.

    Elizabelle

    August 24, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Hmmm. Jim Romanesko is going into semi-retirement at Poynter.

    Lots of changes in the media world.

  43. 43.

    hilts

    August 24, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    @Bill Murray:

    Leftist is the new liberal.

    @MikeJ

    Amy Goodman’s interview with Bill Clinton should be required listening for anyone who wants a media that holds politicians accountable for their actions. She was aggressive, but fair in her questioning.

    http://www.democracynow.org/2004/6/22/bill_clinton_loses_his_cool_in

  44. 44.

    timb

    August 24, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    @Big Baby DougJ: one of his best friends, according to him, is John Podhoretz. Thst’d not libertarian

  45. 45.

    Keith G

    August 24, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    @hilts: She did use the word “sane”.

  46. 46.

    Joel

    August 24, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    Someone needs to come up with a clever Slate-esque headline for this.

  47. 47.

    hamletta

    August 25, 2011 at 1:12 am

    Alls I know is Shafer was incredibly kind to me when I brought him my little punk rock paper to him and asked for advice.

    I kept waiting for him to laugh at me, but he didn’t. He wanted me to go out there and make a great paper.

    Sadly, it wasn’t in the cards, but I did make it better, and it served my town, and me, rather well.

  48. 48.

    Waldo

    August 25, 2011 at 5:39 am

    What’s that old saying … The enemy of my enemy Rupert is my friend? Yeah, I’ll miss that part about Jack.

  49. 49.

    Paul in KY

    August 25, 2011 at 8:48 am

    I only read Dahlia Lithwick & Emily Hoffe.

  50. 50.

    someofparts

    August 25, 2011 at 10:41 am

    A journalist friend of mine mentioned liking Shafer. I tried, but guess I caught him on a bad day, so didn’t check back. The Slate website as a whole was no draw either.

  51. 51.

    Joel

    August 25, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Tim Noah, who was actually one of the good guys/decent writers at Slate, also lost his job per Yglesias.

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