As I’ve said many times, I look forward to hearing Serious Conservative Pundits tell us what a serious, Burkean, Churchillian, Hayekian character Rick Perry is. Reading this (from Kathleen Parker) scared me a bit:
Perry knows he has to make clear that God is his wingman. And this conviction seems not only to be sincere, but also to be relatively noncontroversial in the GOP’s church — and perhaps beyond. He understands that his base cares more that the president is clear on his ranking in the planetary order than whether he can schmooze with European leaders or, heaven forbid, the media. And this is why Perry could easily steal the nomination from Romney.
And also why he probably can’t win a national election, in which large swaths of the electorate would prefer that their president keep his religion close and be respectful of knowledge that has evolved from thousands of years of human struggle against superstition and the kind of literal-mindedness that leads straight to the dark ages.
If Bobo et al. decide Perry can’t win anyway, they could go all on in principled opposition to him and burnish their centrist credentials, they way they’ve done with Palin, only on a larger scale. That would suck, as it would make them look good and “prove” that the media has teh librul bias.
I think a lot of the media will eventually come around to fluffing Perry simply to piss off liberals the interlocking oligarchy of politicians, academics, journalists, consultants and financiers who live along the Acela corridor. You almost have to admire Jonah Goldberg for admitting that’s how his own mind works:
it’s impossible for me not to love Bush, Perry, Palin, et al. for their enemies.
Yutsano
Last time I checked Bobo already thoroughly polished Perry’s knob. Any other theories you got there?
The two goals are not in opposition. But conservatives want to restore what they think is the “natural order”of things.
Amanda in the South Bay
These people are sociopathic fuckers who want to destroy ta he country, full stop.
People like Parker are worthless shitbags.
Alex S.
Parker should take the final step and conclude that any likely winner of the republican primary is a likely loser in the general election, or in other words, republicans are too crazy for the rest. Also, Metallica or Bowie?
JPL
The uproar over the comment that Perry made threatening Bernanke was impressive wasn’t it. That dang liberal media.
edit.. there was a bigger uproar when Kerry drank green tea.
Big Baby DougJ
@Alex S.:
Bowie.
Big Baby DougJ
@Amanda in the South Bay:
She hit Perry pretty hard in that piece.
Xenos
Yes! Ziggy Stardust. I am getting serious early Alzheimers if I can’t remember that one.
Bobo’s job is to repackaged types like Perry so that well educated moderate elites are comfortable voting their economic interests while letting 85% of the country go to hell. There is no way he is going to turn on Perry.
ETA: Wait – I thought it was ‘leather Messiah’ in Ziggy Stardust. I guess I was to lazy to read the liner notes back in the day.
Joey Maloney
No. No I do not.
TheWorstPersonInTheWorld
DougJ, your Insidery Beltway Political Junkie schtick is part of what’s so fucked up about the U.S.
You are obsessed with YOUR team and THEIR team and which refs are more biased, blah blah blah.
You want Obama to win the game, but you don’t give a shit how he performs in the most important part of the year–the off season. I know it gives you wood, but it’s also pretty revolting.
Oh well, part of why I come to BJ is to be amusingly revolted, so thank you.
LosGatosCA
‘. . . the GOP’s church. . . ‘
Party before country, money above all. It’s not a party it’s a cult.
And, we are experiencing the dark ages right now. Ignorance and pain meted out in sacrifice to the economic gods of greed and corruption. Liberals are the demon seed of the anti-gods of compassion and justice.
Mike G
Today’s GOP:
Stupidity is a virtue. Because libruls hate it.
JPL
@TheWorstPersonInTheWorld: Curious what would you have Obama do? Keep in mind that he’s not a dictator.
Villago Delenda Est
“Evolved from”? “Evolved from”?
It’s what it is! Stevie Wonder identified this in song over 40 friggin’ years ago!
The struggle has been to refine the superstition and cloak it so that it doesn’t seem so loony. But praying for rain, and then getting no rain, seems to confirm that praying for rain is a pointless gesture except in the service of superstition.
wrb
What if this leper cometh unto Obama and Obama, moved with compassion, put forth [his] hand, and touched him, and saith unto him, I will; be thou clean.
And as soon as he had spoken, immediately the leprosy departed from him, and he was cleansed.
That would fuck with their world
Uncle Clarence Thomas
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Every wingnut needs a wingman!
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Dennis SGMM
@TheWorstPersonInTheWorld:
Why don’t you just stick your fingers down your throat instead of crapping up the place with your inane diatribes?
danimal
By the time that the ‘serious’ conservatives rally around Romney (and they will), it will be too late.
This is good news for Obama, so let Bobo and the ‘intellectual conservatives’ fluff away.
It’s only bad news if Perrybachmann wins. Then we may as well just gear up for the coming Armageddon anyway, mere politics won’t be a realistic alternative at that point.
Yutsano
@TheWorstPersonInTheWorld:
WTF does that even mean?
LosGatosCA
FTW!
Xenos
@TheWorstPersonInTheWorld: The modern administrative state makes the presidency absolutely critical for maintaining control over the favors and outright corruption that the oil and financial industries need to make most of their profits.
The dominance of these industries, tied in to government, has made this country politically and economically sclerotic. Eventually they will mean the decline and fall of the US. Keeping federal administrative power out of Republican hands is the main necessity for the survival of this country. Next on the list is stopping the judiciary from being stacked with reactionary assholes.
Obama is making slow progress on these issues, but he is the strongest weapon in the war to save the country. One more GOP administration will be W squared, just like W was Reagan squared. So as much as you dislike Obama, there is no alternative that is not much, much worse.
Bob L
Dear god, he just admitted his opinion on public policy is based on the LUZ they generated. Perhaps Goldberg should start writing for SomethingAwful.com?
trollhattan
That Goldberg quote is one for the ages. It takes arch to new, unthinkable heights.
Is he actually Ann Coulter in double-drag?
AA+ Bonds
What Jonah means is that the opposition are a bunch of tweedy over-thinkers like himself, and he hates himself.
JPL
The way Perry wins is have a troll mention Obama and not mention Perry.
JGabriel
Kathleen Parker:
Pherommonal can-do-ness?
How can this not be Balloon Juice tag?
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John Puma
There is NO, repeat, NO, reason to admire Jonah Goldberg.
wrb
Someone very careful and scholarly is saying it.
Mnemosyne
@Yutsano:
It means TheWorstPersonInTheWorld has no idea what sports are, except that other people use them as metaphors, so s/he’s going to try and imitate it without actually understanding the phrases.
It’s like watching someone whose first language is not English trying to logically figure out why people wait “in” line in some parts of the US and wait “on” line in others.
Cassidy
These god people suck. Suck at life, suck at being Christians, suck at being human.
The Dangerman
Fucker would be flipping burgers someplace except for the fact his dear ol’ Ma taped Monica talking about how she enjoyed the company of the President. Fuck him and the Yankees.
Edit: Before they sold out, Metallica was pretty good…
…but it was and is Bowie.
Villago Delenda Est
@The Dangerman:
DING DING DING DING DING!
Jonah is as much a tribute to “merit” in our society as the deserting coward, Donald Trump, the Koch brothers, and Luke Russert are.
It’s not who you know, or what you know, it’s who your daddy is.
We fought a fuckin’ Revolution 235 years ago to end that sort of shit.
TheWorstPersonInTheWorld
@Dennis SGMM:
Excellent example of the angry bitterness that is a common Obot trait. You guys “won,” remember? Obama’s “got this!,” you know? So what are you so defensive about?
I just can’t understand it.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
There is absolutely no reason to admire Jonah Goldberg. Full stop. He let the mask slip in that he admits part of what he likes about those idiots is that they are disliked by the opposition; that is admirable how? I’m assuming you had a long late night.
Bowie, of course.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@JGabriel:
Wow. “pheromonal”? I always think of Parker as a Peggy Noonan wannabe (and I don’t say that to be mean, the mean is just a bonus), but I think even the Dolphin Lady would blush if she sobered up and saw that under her by-line.
Ira-NY
“God is his wingman,” probably is not the way to go with the fundies. As with most things, Parker has it backasswards.
Mnemosyne
@Cassidy:
Those are the kind of people who make me want to insist on saying five “Hail Marys” at their relative’s military funeral.
TheWorstPersonInTheWorld
@Yutsano:
Oh silly Yuts…the “game” would be the campaign, and the “off-season” would be the rest of the time, you know, the actual doing stuff part of being in elective office…sorry if my little analogy failed your tiny mind.
Emerald
I do wonder if the Republican establishment realized during the debt ceiling debate that it has lost control of the party.
And that in order to get rid of the crazies, the R presidential candidate is gonna have to lose and lose badly.
Meanwhile they’ll use their continuing power in the Senate to hold the economy back, and take over again in 2016 to finish looting the country.
Too many levels of chess?
Amir Khalid
@Xenos:
Reasoning with TheSilliestHotheadCommenterAtBalloonJuice is pointless. Like the man says, he’s not here for that; he only wants to sneer at us.
Much better, I think, to poke him with a stick, and provoke him into becoming our entertainment.
Kyle
Doughy Pantload is an obese, effete Jewish ‘journalist’ from the hated Acela corrdior, and delusionally imagines that the Teatards aren’t just barely tolerating him for as long as he serves as their propaganda mouthpiece.
TheWorstPersonInTheWorld
@Xenos:
Hmmm…the usual tired horseshit.
I have something for you:
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/274034_164003182_8363292_n.jpg
Mnemosyne
@TheWorstPersonInTheWorld:
Yawn. First you don’t know how sports work, and now you’re falling back on claiming that if people point out your metaphor made no sense, it’s just cuz they’re not cool enough to understand the brilliance of your superior mind. Oh, and they’re, like, bitter, too.
Better work on a new schtick, because this one is getting tedious.
Mnemosyne
@TheWorstPersonInTheWorld:
If it’s Photoshopped, it must be true!
You have so many brilliant and original insights. What’s next, Obama is to the right of Nixon? He was a community organizer? He’s a stealth Republican who wants to kill Social Security and Medicare?
I’m sure you have hundreds more of these brilliant insights that none of us have ever heard before!
Lysana
@Ira-NY:
You forget the popularity of “God is my co-pilot.” These people really do use their deity concept as a tool for self-aggrandizement. “I am so awesome, I have God at my beck and call!”
Yutsano
@TheWorstPersonInTheWorld:
If I choose to be, but not relevant to this situation so I’ll ignore the ad hominem for now…
So the “game” is really only six months and the “off-season” is three and a half years? THAT’S your analogy? Do you think you could stop and think for a second before you answer a question?
@Amir Khalid:
I know. I’m mostly passing time. Plus I know I’m under its skin because it felt compelled to respond. This could get fun.
scav
Only small and tiny minds think what is actually done on the playing field during the actual game is what matters. It’s what the players do in the locker room while on holiday that is critical, don’t you all get that? ! Raygun’s eternal epic stature as president was proven by his high-level negotiations with Bonzo about Naptime. Brought down the Wall, don’t you remember? ! sigh. If you don’t understand what I actually mean, you really are just hopeless.
arguingwithsignposts
Isn’t TheWorstPersonInTheWorld Timothy Schlongenhosen Interrupted?
fasteddie9318
Don’t let me interrupt the discussion over why Obama never drafts well, or whatever, but there’s been some excellent news on the War of Terror front. Apparently the “number 3 guy in al-Qaeda” who we keep killing has, on the wake of Osama’s passing, been promoted to number 2, and we just killed him again. Sorry no link, posting from my phone. Raw Story has it, so does AJE.
Roger Moore
@Cassidy:
It’s that particular kind of God people who suck. Not everyone who believes is an asshole who wants to grab every platform to promote their particular brand of belief. It’s just that the obnoxious kind are such a gang of attention whores that they drown out the respectful majority.
Mnemosyne
@Yutsano:
I think Worsty should go tell a Red Sox fan that Bill Buckner had a great off-season in 1986, so his actual game performance is irrelevant. I think that would go over great, don’t you?
Amir Khalid
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
For some reason, that quote makes me think of one dog sniffing at another’s butt.
Scott
@JPL:
Curious what would you have Obama do? Keep in mind that he’s not a dictator.
Yes, but Worst wishes he was. He doesn’t care that much for democracy or freedom. He wants his team to win now and win forever. He’s got a lot of Tea in him.
@Bob L:
Perhaps Goldberg should start writing for SomethingAwful.com?
Now, now, there’s lots of good things at SomethingAwful. Without SA, we wouldn’t have stuff like Photoshop Phridays and Slender Man. I rather doubt Jonah would last very long there…
WaterGirl
Dear John Cole,
We miss you.
signed, Balloon Juice
Fucen Pneumatic Fuck Wrench Tarmal
moreso on the theme that someone has to go there.
hurricane jane
Chris
@wrb:
I love the teabagger in your link holding up a sign saying “JESUS IS LORD NOT ALLAH.” Allah, of course, being simply the Arabic word for God, one that thousands of Christians use on a daily basis when praying to said Jesus. But there I go thinking again…
Yeah. I agree.
American education ain’t what it used to be, but there’s only so much any educational system can do in the face of people who deliberately and fanatically choose to believe that education is devil-worship.
Similarly, “having not read deeply and widely enough” isn’t in itself enough to explain the teabaggers. Honest ignorance is one thing. A relentless, fanatic, willful and carefully cultivated determination to ignore all facts and live in your own reality is something else.
Dennis SGMM
Let me be the first to call out “Worst” as another of DougJ’s spoof-trolls. Regular trolls get minced and then disappear.
boss bitch
So he’s the guy that promises the best sex ever and then turns out to a 1 minute man?
arguingwithsignposts
@Chris:
FTFY. It’s not that they ignore facts. They _bend_ facts to fit their preconception. Believe me, I went to seminary. I can explain the fossil record in view of Genesis. Not that I believe that shit now, but you can make any inconvenient fact fit into the overarching narrative of the bible.
Amir Khalid
@arguingwithsignposts:
Yep. But if you give him time, I’m sure he’ll surpass m_c in the annoying-nym-changing department.
Roger Moore
@TheWorstPersonInTheWorld:
Free hint: if many people have a hard time understanding what you’re saying, that’s usually a sign you haven’t said it well, not that everyone listening to you is an idiot. Your analogy sucks ass. If anything, it’s the campaign that’s the off-season (or maybe the preseason) and governing that’s the important part. So you should be saying that people who were excited about Obama because he campaigned well are like fans who are excited when their team rocks in the preseason but ignore their failures when the games count.
arguingwithsignposts
@JGabriel:
WTF does that even mean? Does she know what a fucking pheromone is?
Dennis SGMM
@Chris:
Their own reality is more comforting to them than the facts are. The world has changed, the rules have changed, the climate is changing. Rather than confront the facts that their most cherished beliefs are relics of another time (That never existed anyway) they defend their faux reality by attacking, lying, denying and sticking their fingers in their ears.
Roger Moore
@Lysana:
That’s not what they mean about God being their co-pilot. What they mean is that God will step in and bail them out whenever they fuck up. It’s pretty cold comfort to the rest of us that he’s going to bail them out after they’re dead, while the rest of us are left behind to clean up the mess.
PeakVT
Da da dah.. da da dah dum….. dum dum dah…
Chris
@arguingwithsignposts:
True, but I still think there’s a fair amount of straight-up ignoring facts going on.
To use things like fossils as an example – it’s one thing to look at the reality of evolution and the Earth’s more-than-6,000-years-old age, and “fit it into the overarching narrative” by saying that God made it all happen. (I believe that’s the official position of the Catholic Church and most mainline Protestant ones).
It’s quite another thing to simply refuse to acknowledge it and go on preaching Young Earth Creationism louder. Which is what almost all conservatives do today.
BillinGlendaleCA (aka 10amla)
@boss bitch:
Teabagger == Minuteman?
Calouste
@TheWorstPersonInTheWorld:
Your sense of metaphores didn’t make the draft, heck, it didn’t even make the highschool team.
Roger Moore
@Chris:
I think it’s safe to ignore that part of the quote. It’s just Bloom riding his personal hobby horse. He thinks our educational establishment is going to hell in a handbasket because they’ve broadened their reading list to include women and minorities, and he’s never going to give up bitching about it.
TheWorstPersonInTheWorld
@Mnemosyne:
How about if I keep my current schtick, as do you, and you just pretend not to notice me?
Thanks!
Amir Khalid
@Chris:
As I understand the creationist position, it holds that God put the fossils in the ground to test people’s faith in Him. So if you ignored them as evidence and believed in the biblical account of creation, then you passed the test. (This was explained to me by a creationist friend of mine.)
I have always thought it strange that, in order to explain away the evidence of an old Earth and evolution, the Creationists would conceive of a God who tells us lies.
arguingwithsignposts
@Chris:
Probably some do. But others have places like the Institute for Creation Research and other outfits to more closely fit the evidence to the worldview.
There are educated, intelligent people in evangelical circles (I use the word “intelligent” in a limited sense, of course), and they need something to explain their belief beyond “God said it, I believe it.”
gnomedad
@Mike G:
Perfect. I award you one internet.
TheWorstPersonInTheWorld
@arguingwithsignposts:
(although, to be accurate, it was TimInterruptedTimothyTrollenschlongen)
DING DING DING! Yes, it is I, I confess, though I never pretended otherwise when I switched monikers. Eemom called me out almost immediately.
BTW, has she been run out of here now that she no longer genuflects before all that is Obama’s greatness?
Some Obot called me TWPITW in some thread a few weeks back, and I found it to be delightfully over the top and insane, much like Obot thinking, not to mention adorbs, so I took it on immediately.
Hope you don’t mind!
Thanks!
TheWorstPersonInTheWorld
@Mnemosyne:
You so totally have a crush on me. CUTE!
arguingwithsignposts
@Amir Khalid: That’s one stream of argument, yes. Although it’s not always the “test your faith” variety. Some have said the fossils were put there because God created the universe and the earth _as if_ they were already old, because that’s the way it works better.
Roger Moore
@Roger Moore:
Didn’t get to add it in time, but it’s also ridiculous to blame the teabaggers on a decline in our educational system. If there’s a defining characteristic of the tea party, it’s that it skews old. If our educational system is declining, why is the tea party making its biggest inroads in Bloom’s generation rather than today’s kids?
arguingwithsignposts
@TheWorstPersonInTheWorld: Keith Olbermann might mind.
Calouste
@Amir Khalid:
God “testing the faith” runs through the Bible: Adam & Eve and the apple, Job, that dude who was asked to sacrifice his son whose name escapes me at the moment.
TheWorstPersonInTheWorld
@WaterGirl:
Leave Cole alone. He is sitting on the pot, “cleansing.”
The fact that his pot is in a closet is entirely another matter.
Samara Morgan
i liek that title a LOT.
@Amir Khalid: pardon for the OT, but do you have a sect and/or school…..or…..are you a non-demoninational muslim?
scav
@Amir Khalid:
Well, let’s try their logic using abortion clinics and gay marriages. God is putting them in the world to test people’s actions and if they don’t get gay married and have an abortion (in any order they choose) then they passed their God’s test, blah blah blah. By outlawing these things, believers are frustrating their Lord’s plan of only letting the good people into heaven: too many godly laws down here and you just let in the riff-raff for eternity. If only I thought it would fly.
Roger Moore
@Calouste:
Abraham. I can see how you’d forget him, he’s only like the central character in Genesis.
MikeJ
@Roger Moore:
God said to Abraham kill me son
Abe say man you must be puttin me on
God say no
Abe say what?
God say you can do what you want Abe but
Next time you see me comin you better run
Abe say “where you want this kill done?”
God say out on highway 61…..
Samara Morgan
@Roger Moore: i hope that was snark.
mistermix, check out reformed juicer Elias Isquith at the LoOG.
MLK was a baddie that hated white assclowns like me.
Amir Khalid
@Roger Moore:
That whole story of God demanding the sacrifice of Abraham’s son is, of course, central to the rites of pilgrimage to Mecca and Islam’s other high holy day, Eid al-Adha.
But I had always thought the central character in Genesis was named Peter Gabriel.
Jeffro
@Big Baby DougJ: She’s upset. Look at what’s happened to Her Party, after all. Those ignorant, reactionary folks that the GOP used to rile up every election cycle (and then go back to ignoring as the wealthy received their usual white-glove service?) They done stayed riled up, and now they’re running the show.
Can’t have that cake AND eat it too, Kathleen. Whenever you’re ready, America’s remaining center-right party is ready for you ;)
Roger Moore
@Samara Morgan:
I think that would more properly qualify as sarcasm rather than snark, but yes, I’m making fun of anyone who could remember the story of Abraham and Isaac but forget the names (and not quickly look them up on Google rather than admit their ignorance).
Old Dan and Little Ann
Oh God said to Abraham, “Kill me a son”
Abe says, “Man, you must be puttin’ me on”
God say, “No.” Abe say, “What ?”
God say, “You can do what you want Abe, but
The next time you see me comin’ you better run”
Well Abe says, “Where do you want this killin’ done ?”
God says. “Out on Highway 61”.
Cacti
The reason wingnuts will flock to Perry is because he’s the real thing.
He didn’t have a road to Damascus moment right around the time he decided to run for POTUS.
Even in wingnut land, people can sniff out a phony. Tough luck Mittens.
Yutsano
@MikeJ: @Old Dan and Little Ann: 70’s lyricists were an odd lot.
BillinGlendaleCA (aka 10amla)
@Amir Khalid:
That depends on your time frame, it could also be Phil Collins.
Samara Morgan
@Amir Khalid: sect, shayyk?
or you can tell me its none of my bidness.
curtiosity killed the cat, after all, and almost killed the Elephants Child.
wrb
@Roger Moore:
That’s a bit unfair. His Western canon includes Austen, Dickenson (full chapter), George Eliot, Woolf (full chapter) Borges, Neruda, R.K. Narayan, Salman Rushdie and Ruth Prawer Jhabvala.
Amir Khalid
@Samara Morgan:
I hesitate to answer, lest I provoke you again with another reply not to your satisfaction.
Amir Khalid
@BillinGlendaleCA (aka 10amla):
Genesis with Phil Collins were a mere pop group.
Roger Moore
@wrb:
But only a bit. He may be willing to accept a few token non-DWMs, but his views on what constitutes valid literature are awfully damn narrow. And I’ll repeat my refutation of his basic point: the tea party skews toward older people who received an education closer to the one Bloom advocates and away from younger people who got the kind of education he criticizes.
ericblair
@Roger Moore:
Yes, so when you hear voices in your head telling you to kill your kids you should totally do it. What? OK, then, perhaps a literal reading of the Bible is a bit problematic.
Omnes Omnibus
@Yutsano: Highway 61 Revisited was released in 1965. Of course, your statement stands as it is.
arguingwithsignposts
@Samara Morgan: Yes, it’s none of your goddamn business, you little stalker. Now fuck off.
Rabble Arouser
@Alex S.: As long as it’s their early catalogs, both.
gogol's wife
@Xenos:
Very pithy. I agree in spirit, if not in every detail. This message needs to be spread widely.
suzanne
I concur that Perry will beat Romney. I’m less convinced, however, that Perry can’t win. Crap.
gogol's wife
@JPL:
They never mention any Republican. This is the tell.
Yutsano
@Amir Khalid: Since no answer will meet to her satisfaction, I consider this course wise.
@Omnes Omnibus: It’s most likely because of my age, but the 60’s and the 70’s tend to blur in my brain. Nixon was still President though.
gogol's wife
@TheWorstPersonInTheWorld:
Sorry, the person you are addressing there is not an Obot.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@arguingwithsignposts: I suspect it means she finds him hot, though I’d hope not, for her sake.
Samara Morgan
@Amir Khalid: you fail at understanding Sufism then.
every human is what they CAN be. atheists are meant to be atheists, jews are are meant to be jews, christians are meant to be christians.
Man cannot acquire what he cannot use.
If Allah meant for you to be something else, that something would appear in your path.
be brave and grasp the blade.
:)
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Yutsano:
And Dylan more than most, of course. Though that song was from 1965 or so.
Alex S.
@Rabble Arouser:
Metallica is hit-or-miss for me. Bowie is among the best, but ironically, I like the 1975-1980 Bowie more than the glam rock Bowie. I even prefer Aladdin Sane to Ziggy Stardust…
Amir Khalid
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): She liked me at first. She thought my Arabic name was cool. But that was a long time ago.
Yutsano
@Samara Morgan: Thank you so much for proving his fucking point.
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I’m certain there are methods of extracting deeper revelations from the lyrics of these songs. Though Don McLean still swears “American Pie” doesn’t have any hidden messages.
Samara Morgan
@Amir Khalid: you can say its not my bidness.
that was option 2.
WyldPirate
@TheWorstPersonInTheWorld:
I didn’t know Cole grew pot. The closet is a terrible place, though, as heat build-up/proper ventilation is problematic without altering the walls, floor or ceiling.
I think Cole should try a nice THC olive extract prepared from freshly dried bud trimmings in his next green smoothies. He might disappear and sleep for a day or two, though.
BillinGlendaleCA (aka 10amla)
@Amir Khalid:
Whatever Gets You Through The Night. :)
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Amir Khalid: I meant Parker’s comments on Perry’s “pheromonal can do-ness.” I’d be hoping not for YOUR sake in the case of those who want to
quibblebabble on about Arabic names and Islamic beliefs. :)And you’re quite right about Genesis. It wasn’t the same band without Gabriel. In fact some of us don’t actually recognize that version as Genesis.
suzanne
@Samara Morgan:
Demon-national?
The Sheriff's A Ni-
@TheWorstPersonInTheWorld: Aw, look who’s having the meltdown now that Governor Goodhair is the new frontrunner. So much for Mittens making life easy for your ‘they’re both the same’ bullshit.
C’mon, Timmeh, say it. You know you want to. You know you have to. C’mon. ‘Nach Perry…’
suzanne
@Amir Khalid:
Like many white people of privilege, she is entranced by The Exotic Other.
The fact that othering anyone is in fact a way of showing contempt for their culture is a leap she hasn’t made yet.
Amir Khalid
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
Oopsie. My bad. But you know, that’s a very plausible explanation for Parker talking about Perry in those terms. After all, he is one of the candidates with the “President from Central Casting” looks. Him and Mitt Romney and maybe Jon Huntsman.
arguingwithsignposts
@The Sheriff’s A Ni-: Timmeh Dickhosen Interruptes doesn’t vote, so whatever he says is just more blah, blah, blah.
arguingwithsignposts
@Amir Khalid: My problem, which thhafifkabq identified, I think, is that a pheromone doesn’t make sense in this instance. Don’t all pheromones “do” something? It’s like she’s saying “he has that sort of wetness that water possesses.”
scav
‘spose there are those that get all hot and bothered by pheromones from a can and dos (hair or otherwise) off a Ken Doll, but still. . . sorta sad. My Plastic Phantasy will come to save the day and make everything all better and tell me what to do forevermore.
Amir Khalid
@Yutsano:
I have alwats read American Pie as a straight-up history, more or less, of how rock’n’roll lost its innocence, over the period from Buddy Holly’s death to Janis Joplin’s.
The Sheriff's A Ni-
@arguingwithsignposts: Really? Wow.
The Sheriff's A Ni-
@Amir Khalid: And how Don McLean really really really didn’t like Mick Jagger.
Yutsano
@Amir Khalid: You could be indeed correct. McLean still plays coy about it though. Which of course just makes people wonder harder…
Omnes Omnibus
@Yutsano: If he answered the question, he would get less attention. It’s marketing. Or flirting, if you prefer.
poco
@TheWorstPersonInTheWorld: Get off my lawn! Thank you.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@The Sheriff’s A Ni-:
Just that, or am I missing something else in the lyrics?
Yutsano
@Omnes Omnibus: Good marketing is more or less flirting. In that it makes the consumer feel enticed to try something.
grandpajohn
@TheWorstPersonInTheWorld:
I’m sure you can’t. understanding requires a reasonable degree of comprehension and rational thought.
scav
@arguingwithsignposts: I just assumed “pheromonal can-do-ness” originally meant “appearence of capability” but with a dash of teen-age starbursts and then put through a D.Brooksinator in order to be journalisticaly hip and with-it. Well, that or a really bad bounce out of a spell-check.
ETA: Although, now that I look at it, that is rather inexplicable how I got there, rather like explaining a scrambled word solution of HHTTOOS into HOTSHOT
wrb
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
from there to the conclusion of the song. Altamont and its aftermath:
Oh, and there we were all in one place,
A generation lost in space
With no time left to start again.
So come on: jack be nimble, jack be quick!
Jack flash sat on a candlestick
Cause fire is the devil’s only friend.
Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage.
No angel born in hell
Could break that satan’s spell.
And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite,
I saw satan laughing with delight
The day the music died
He was singing,
“bye-bye, miss american pie.”
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
And singin’, “this’ll be the day that I die.
“this’ll be the day that I die.”
I met a girl who sang the blues
And I asked her for some happy news,
But she just smiled and turned away.
I went down to the sacred store
Where I’d heard the music years before,
But the man there said the music wouldn’t play.
And in the streets: the children screamed,
The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed.
But not a word was spoken;
The church bells all were broken.
And the three men I admire most:
The father, son, and the holy ghost,
They caught the last train for the coast
The day the music died.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
ah, thanks
I remember in the summer of ’01, before 9/11, Parker wrote a column about the sight of Bush in his pick-up on the “ranch”, and who that image assured her that Bush was a Good Man. I can’t remember if she capitalized it, but it was clear that she thought that simple understatement was loaded with deep meaning, just like Bush did himself, as in “Bernie, you’re a good man”
Amir Khalid
@arguingwithsignposts:
Parker’s no zoologist. I doubt she knows, or even cares, exactly what pheromones do. It’s just an odd turn of phrase. But I doubt there’s any more to it than just clumsy writing. She probably meant to say that Perry has an air of capability about him — although, from what I hear about things in Texas, such a claim doesn’t precisely match the evidence.
aimai
@wrb:
Well, that’s a straight up lie, for one thing. The whole point of the Tea Party, specifically–its actual membership–is that they probably didn’t go to an elite US University and even if they did they rejected everything they learned there, or could have learned there. It isn’t freakin’ Harvard’s fault that Regent U and all the other craptacular little bible colleges don’t value learning of any kind. Its William F. Buckley and Bush that brought dishonor to Yale University, not the other way around.
aimai
Roger Moore
@scav:
I think they idea is more than just “appearance of capability”, but that his appeal is subconscious the way that pheromones affect people subconsciously. IOW, she just knows that he can do stuff without being able to explain it. The sexual side of the pheromones is more of a Freudian thing.
wrb
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I should have added, for clarity: It was Sympathy for the Devil the Stones were playing as things built up to the stabbing. They even stopped it and restarted due to the fights breaking out.
Garcia (the Dead split,w/o playing and returned to San Fran-“took the last for the coast”?) later said something along the lines of “You summon that shit, eventually it is going to come. This isn’t play.”
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I definitely think “pheromonal” is a clumsy way of saying she thinks he’s hot. “can-do-ness” (and typing that ought really drives home what a stupid term that is) I think is meant to refer to his manly competence, a pithy twist on Peggy Noonan’s weird fantasy about Bush saving the neighbors’ children from a house fire (“where’s Sally?”)
scav
@Roger Moore: Good point about the unconscious part of the equation. But, there’s what pheromones actually do and there’s what they do in popular myth and I doubt she’s gotten beyond that. I assumed the sexual bit because that seems to be loaded into all expressions of personal approval any more.
Ruckus
@Roger Moore:
Sometimes it is easy to forget the characters in a fairy tale that you stopped reading and believing years(decades)ago.
wrb
@aimai:
I think you are arguing with Roger’s point, not mine. I agree that the Tea Party members have not received the sort of education nor done the reading that Bloom advocates.
Omnes Omnibus
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I thought she was sneaking through the alley with Robert Palmer.
Old Dan and Little Ann
My 8th grade history teacher played “American Pie” one day on his guitar. It was like something out of A Wonder Years episode. He explained the lyircs to the class but I don’t remember the specifics. The McLean-Jagger info. I have read here is interesting.
Amir Khalid
@Omnes Omnibus:
Eww. No, I’m not flirting with m_c.
scav
@Amir Khalid: No no, don’t worry, OO clearly meant McLean and his audience. You’re in the clear, well in the clear.
arguingwithsignposts
@scav: The wires crossing in this thread are certainly interesting.
Yutsano
@Amir Khalid: Oh, I see the confusion. My comparison to you being coy about your exact Islamic sect with Don McLean being coy about the true meaning of “American Pie” got crossed up. I’ll take the blame for that. I wouldn’t wish any human upon the child if she’s like this in Meatspace.
@arguingwithsignposts:
Agreed. Can we haz new troll now plz? The PUMA one a few threads down won’t play ball with me.
Omnes Omnibus
@Amir Khalid: Oh good lord, no. I would not suggest that. I blame Yutsano for the confusion, but I apologize, nevertheless, for any alarm I may have caused.
Amir Khalid
@arguingwithsignposts:
I think the confusion is partly due to m_c getting on my nerves just a little bit.
arguingwithsignposts
@Amir Khalid: we’ve all been there, dude.
Yutsano
@Omnes Omnibus: “BEEP BEEP!!”
That was the bus.
(Which I threw myself under. I just couldn’t resist the opportunity to mess with your gourd. You can get me back later.)
Kathy in St. Louis
I keep thinking I must have been raised by impostors. My father and mother must made up an entire alternate world for my brothers, my sister, and I. In it we were “Christians” who were taught to take care of those weaker than we were, help the sick, the poor, the elderly. We were told that it was our Christian duty. That’s how I know they must have been impostors, because I see all these politicians today who claim to be Christians and they never mention the poor or the elderly, or the weak without making it sound as if they deserve no help from and that they are a drain on our society. And since there are so many of them out there today talking about God and hating all these people I was taught to take care of, it must be that my parents were wrong. The only other conclusion I can reach is that these people really can’t be Christians……nah, can’t be that.
Omnes Omnibus
@Amir Khalid: She does that. It is her true talent.
On the other hand, the Stones discussion here has caused me to do some listening to songs from Exile on Main Street, always a good thing.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I see Irene is down to Category 1. Has anyone seen any evidence that it will weaken and/or surge? Or is there no really reliable way to predict?
WaterGirl
@ arguingwithsignposts
@ hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
Pretty much my take, on both counts.
Another reminder that I have been meaning to find out the correct spelling for eewww.
Edit: Maybe she thought it sounded better than “hot”; instead she just sounds like an idiot.
arguingwithsignposts
@Kathy in St. Louis: That’s an excellent summary. I may steal that.
Ruckus
@Amir Khalid:
Thank cleek for empowering us with the cure. It brings to mind WC Fields. Children should be neither seen nor heard. At least children who have achieved only the chronological age of adulthood.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@Ruckus:
“I love children, as long as they’re well cooked!”
WCF
WaterGirl
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): @Amir Khalid:
You guys are cracking me up. Will you guys be here all week?
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
No big deal at Hatteras? This is someone’s backyard.
Amir Khalid
On Don McLean and hidden meanings in American Pie, maybe he’s just teasing the kind of obsessives who look high and low for hidden meanings in songs. John Lennon did something like that with Come Together — he wrote nonsensical lyrics just to send them off on a wild goose chase.
But anyone familiar with rock between Buddy’s death and Janis’ would surely get the references: to Buddy, to Elvis, to Bob Dylan, to the Beatles and the Byrds and the Stones, and finally to Janis. For example, “The Jester on the sidelines in a cast” can only refer to Bob’s motorcycle accident before he went electric.
Amir Khalid
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Mark my words, Obama is going to get blamed for crying wolf over Hurricane Irene.
WaterGirl
@Amir Khalid: @arguingwithsignposts:
If I had to guess.. since pheromones are lot thinking/logical things, I think she’s trying to say that she Just feels, at some primal level, that he is a can-do guy. She just feels it in a way that is not based on logic or thinking.
I’d say there is definitely some tingling running down her leg.
Edit: what roger moore said, at 137. i see he beat me to it.
Ruckus
@Raven (formerly stuckinred):
I like children – fried.
Once, during Prohibition, I was forced to live for days on nothing but food and water.
Some weasel took the cork out of my lunch.
Some of my WCF favs
arguingwithsignposts
@WaterGirl: ewwww.
WaterGirl
@arguingwithsignposts: First I thought you were supplying the correct spelling of “ewww”, which I mentioned not knowing earlier.
Then I assumed your ewww was you thinking about what I thought she was thinking.
Then I wondered if your ewww was because I described the situation in an icky way.
No crossed wires on this thread. Nope.
arguingwithsignposts
@WaterGirl: more of the latter than the former. Any spelling of ewww is the correct spelling, except ewe.
Omnes Omnibus
@arguingwithsignposts:
That would depend on the context.
Chris
@Kathy in St. Louis:
The Christian obligation to be your brother’s keeper? Yeah, I know exactly how you feel – that’s how I was raised too.
But there’s a big difference between Christianity as a set of values and Christianity as a team identity. For Repubs, it’s the latter. See their infatuation with the “faith, not acts” doctrine – nothing you do matters, all that matters is that you kiss God’s ring and join the ranks of the Chosen. Do that, and no matter how bad your actions are, you’re good. Do it not, and no matter how good your actions are, you’re bad. These are people who think IRA bombers go to heaven and Gandhi goes to hell.
WaterGirl
@arguingwithsignposts: Sorry, just trying to be clear. :-)
arguingwithsignposts
@Omnes Omnibus: I am never in a context where I would use “ewe.” But you are correct, as usual.
WaterGirl
@Chris: I started to read your comment as the page was reloading. I got to “But there’s a big difference between Christianity as a set of values and Christianity as ..” and I was guessing that the phrase was going to be “Christianity as a weapon”. I think that works, too.
Roger Moore
@WaterGirl:
I don’t know if she explicitly meant it sexually, though plenty of other people do like commenting on Perry and other Republicans in a vaguely sexual way. I think it’s mostly on a level of Stephen Colbert’s “you go with your gut” comment. The Republicans are ruled by their gut instincts (or maybe a little bit lower than their guts) rather than their intellects, and this is one more example of the trope.
Omnes Omnibus
@arguingwithsignposts: What would you call a female sheep? Aside from Dolly, of course. Or “hey, baby….” I don’t judge.
arguingwithsignposts
@Omnes Omnibus: Mutton?
Omnes Omnibus
@arguingwithsignposts: Touche, you little monster.
arguingwithsignposts
@Omnes Omnibus: Wow. I will just leave it at that. :)
Omnes Omnibus
@arguingwithsignposts: It is one of my favorite line from Doonesbury ever. Back when Mike was still in college, he was in a brief debate with a pompous alumnus and, after Mike made a good point, the pompous alumnus paused for a frame and then said that.
Samara Morgan
@suzanne: i never liked him.
i only liked his name.
@Chris: /sigh
ALL christians believe in the RIGHT to proselytize.
Muslims (real muslims, not maftoons) believe in the RIGHT to be free from proselytization.
that is the difference.
its simple.
Omnes Omnibus
@Samara Morgan: No one mentioned Muslims. Stop trying to drag everything over to your hobby horses; the poor wee beasties are overloaded.
Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason
@Raven (formerly stuckinred): I remember the WC Fields’ line this way:
“I love children … fried.”
ETA: I see Ruckus @165 beat me to it. BTW, I love the “food and water” line.
TheWorstPersonInTheWorld
@The Sheriff’s A Ni-:
Am I having a meltdown? I hadn’t noticed…
…now that you sort of mention it, the smooth-talking, now salt and peppered, ineffectual Chicagoan vs. the big-talkin,’ toupeed, ineffectual Texan would make a great show for the stupid electorate, giving them just the required illusion that they have a meaningful “choice” to make, and that the outcome would amount to a hill of beans.
A Ghost To Most
@trollhattan:
Samara Morgan
@Omnes Omnibus: im refuting Chris.
there is one thing ALL christians agree on…the RIGHT to proselytize.
there is zero difference between Team Jesus and Team GOP on that.
isnt that true Omnes?
dont all christians believe in the RIGHT to proselytize?
Omnes Omnibus
@Samara Morgan: Irrelevant to Chris’s point. Further, I don’t presume to know what all Christians believe. I can be an arrogant bastard, but I would never go so far as to do that.
Samara Morgan
@Omnes Omnibus: H–null: there is no difference on right to proselytize between values christianity and identity christianity.
are you a christian?
Roger Moore
@Samara Morgan:
No TRUE Muslim would proselytize. There must be a lot of fake Muslims around then, because Islam has long been one of the most aggressively proselytizing religions; that’s how it got to be one of the world’s largest.
Delia
@Amir Khalid:
Dylan went electric at the Newport Folk Festival in 1965. Highway 61 Revisited (1965) had some songs with electric instrumentation, and Blonde On Blonde (1966) had more. The motorcycle accident, if it indeed occurred, was after his UK tour in 1966. It may have been rather minor and he was just burned out. No one who’s talking is sure.
@WaterGirl: Parker may have been taken in by Bush. But if you read this complete piece, she’s not falling for Perry’s pheromones and is commenting on the problems of a party that’s governed by people who do. She may still be a conservative, but she’s capable of learning and of independent thought.
Omnes Omnibus
@Samara Morgan: Chris was not discussing that. As far as your rather personal question goes, I have often stated on this blog that I am an agnostic. My family’s background is Christian, primarily Protestant (Lutheran and Congregationalist) except for the French Canadians who were Catholics. Would you like to know anything else?
Samara Morgan
@Roger Moore:
i did not say that.
i SAID muslims believe in the RIGHT to be free from outgroup proselytizing. That is why proselytizing and building churches and synagogues is forbidden by shariah law in countries where shariah is the Rule of Law.
In countries like the USA, where freedom of speech and freedom of religion are the Rule of Law, muslims can and do proselytize according to their deen.
For example, the ground zero mosque can be built in America, but a church or synagogue cannot be built in Mecca, Medina, Karbala or Qom.
But i do not proselytize, because im a sufi, and sufis believe every human is already what they should be, and what they are able to be.
yours is better for you, mine is better for me, and all paths are the One Path.
Samara Morgan
@Omnes Omnibus:
sure he was. he was discussing DIFFERENCES between values christians and identity christians.
why does this bother juicers so terribly?
im pointing out that both sets have a commonality.
and shukran.
:)
Omnes Omnibus
@Samara Morgan: Jesus fucking Christ. Most Christians are also bipeds. Of course, there are commonalities. That is probably one of the reasons that Chris thought it necessary to point out differences. Jesus wept.
Chet
@Chris: Don’t forget the ones who don’t actually know (or give a shit) whether or not Jesus or God or Heaven or Hell actually exist, but support more public affirmation of Christianity anyway because it’s the foundation of our glorious Western White Anglo Saxon culture, or something. I actually have more contempt for those assholes than I do for the honest fundies.
arguingwithsignposts
@Omnes Omnibus: love the doonesbury. Used to do a pretty good impression of Trudeau’s style way back in the ’80s. It was the extent of my artistic career.
arguingwithsignposts
@Samara Morgan: Interesting that a sufi presumes to speak to the beliefs of all muslims who are not maftoons (or whatever silly nym she projects upon the rest of the religion). And wasn’t she proselytizing earlier in the thread about sufiism?
suzanne
@Samara Morgan:
And many also believe in having the good taste not to do it.
And many believe, to paraphrase St. Francis of Assisi (since you went to Catholic school, this may something related to religion that you actually do indeed know), that they should preach the gospel at all times, and only occasionally use words.
Look, people, even stupid ones, are complicated, and probably know more about their own lives than you do. Your lack of humility honestly makes me suspect your own faith.
Well, that, and that you’re a rich white girl from a privileged background who fancies herself an iconoclast and liberated thinker, and you enjoy parading your appropriated identity in front of others even when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
arguingwithsignposts
@Omnes Omnibus:
For some reason, I nominate this for comment of the day. especially given the context. :)
Omnes Omnibus
@arguingwithsignposts: Thanks. I am honored just to be nominated.
fuckwit
There is a huge 2-year-old boy throwing poopy diapers at his parents at the center of every conservative I’ve seen in the “movement” (and I mean that term in every possible way), and especially the most prominent ones in the media.
Like O’Lielly, Limblow, etc, their main animating purpose seems to be to PISS OFF MOMMY. That’s all there is to it.
They don’t care about anything else except fucking with people who are smarter than them. When called on their bullshit, they keep doing it, enthusiastically, because “it’s working!”, so why stop.
They’re nihilistic, selfish, contrarian little 2-year-olds. They care only about being an asshole. If they succeed in making people angry, then they’re happy and call that a win.
Can’t stand the fuckers.
Thymezone
I wonder if I can set myself on fire by staring as hard into my navel as you do, Doug.
(grunting noises)
No, I guess I am flame resistant. Good luck to you though.
edit: To be clear, I meant staring as hard into my navel as you stare into yours. Thanks.
Chris
@Chet:
Yeah, I’ve read/seen atheist or agnostic Republicans who do this (Bill Whittle at PJMedia for one). But the honest fundies love that stuff, IMO. As long as you genuflect appropriately before Christianity and recognize its vast superiority over all its competitors (preferably with a long tirade about how Islam sucks, these days), they’re okay with you.
Samara Morgan
@Omnes Omnibus: but, you see….its Protestant America that has caused the Doom That to Sarnath. The 11 trillion dollar attempt to push missionary democracy on the rest of the world is what put America into decline of empire mode.
@Chris:
Scaremongering is really the only defense the West has against al-Islam. the “killer app” of proselytizing doesnt work on muslims.
see Iraq, A-stan, and the Epic Fail of the Manifest Destiny of Judeoxian Democracy in MENA.
i think Whittle is a pagan, ekshually. his original screen name was Proteus.
he is basically a shapeshifter of bad intent.
Samara Morgan
@Chris: i relly liked Whittle much better in this than in his current Pajamas Media skinwalk.
Samara Morgan
@Chet: are you the chet from the american scene, aka TAS, the Glibertarian Hivemind?
Samara Morgan
@suzanne:
aaaaaaannnnnnd…suzanne nails it! it is my nafs that will keep me from faana.
i love how all these nominal xian/agnostic/atheists that have never read a word of the Quran try to tell me i dont know anything about Islam.
ya-haqq!