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You are here: Home / Politics / Politicans / David Brooks Giving A Seminar At The Aspen Institute / Leper messiah

Leper messiah

by DougJ|  August 27, 20112:00 pm| 206 Comments

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As I’ve said many times, I look forward to hearing Serious Conservative Pundits tell us what a serious, Burkean, Churchillian, Hayekian character Rick Perry is. Reading this (from Kathleen Parker) scared me a bit:

Perry knows he has to make clear that God is his wingman. And this conviction seems not only to be sincere, but also to be relatively noncontroversial in the GOP’s church — and perhaps beyond. He understands that his base cares more that the president is clear on his ranking in the planetary order than whether he can schmooze with European leaders or, heaven forbid, the media. And this is why Perry could easily steal the nomination from Romney.

And also why he probably can’t win a national election, in which large swaths of the electorate would prefer that their president keep his religion close and be respectful of knowledge that has evolved from thousands of years of human struggle against superstition and the kind of literal-mindedness that leads straight to the dark ages.

If Bobo et al. decide Perry can’t win anyway, they could go all on in principled opposition to him and burnish their centrist credentials, they way they’ve done with Palin, only on a larger scale. That would suck, as it would make them look good and “prove” that the media has teh librul bias.

I think a lot of the media will eventually come around to fluffing Perry simply to piss off liberals the interlocking oligarchy of politicians, academics, journalists, consultants and financiers who live along the Acela corridor. You almost have to admire Jonah Goldberg for admitting that’s how his own mind works:

it’s impossible for me not to love Bush, Perry, Palin, et al. for their enemies.

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  1. 1.

    Yutsano

    August 27, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    If Bobo et al. decide Perry can’t win anyway, they could go all on in principled opposition to him and burnish their centrist credentials

    Last time I checked Bobo already thoroughly polished Perry’s knob. Any other theories you got there?

    I think a lot of the media will eventually come around to fluffing Perry simply to piss off liberals and get that damn nigra out of the White House

    The two goals are not in opposition. But conservatives want to restore what they think is the “natural order”of things.

  2. 2.

    Amanda in the South Bay

    August 27, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    These people are sociopathic fuckers who want to destroy ta he country, full stop.

    People like Parker are worthless shitbags.

  3. 3.

    Alex S.

    August 27, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    Parker should take the final step and conclude that any likely winner of the republican primary is a likely loser in the general election, or in other words, republicans are too crazy for the rest. Also, Metallica or Bowie?

  4. 4.

    JPL

    August 27, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    The uproar over the comment that Perry made threatening Bernanke was impressive wasn’t it. That dang liberal media.

    edit.. there was a bigger uproar when Kerry drank green tea.

  5. 5.

    Big Baby DougJ

    August 27, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    @Alex S.:

    Also, Metallica or Bowie?

    Bowie.

  6. 6.

    Big Baby DougJ

    August 27, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    @Amanda in the South Bay:

    She hit Perry pretty hard in that piece.

  7. 7.

    Xenos

    August 27, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    Yes! Ziggy Stardust. I am getting serious early Alzheimers if I can’t remember that one.

    Bobo’s job is to repackaged types like Perry so that well educated moderate elites are comfortable voting their economic interests while letting 85% of the country go to hell. There is no way he is going to turn on Perry.

    ETA: Wait – I thought it was ‘leather Messiah’ in Ziggy Stardust. I guess I was to lazy to read the liner notes back in the day.

  8. 8.

    Joey Maloney

    August 27, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    You almost have to admire Jonah Goldberg

    No. No I do not.

  9. 9.

    TheWorstPersonInTheWorld

    August 27, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    DougJ, your Insidery Beltway Political Junkie schtick is part of what’s so fucked up about the U.S.

    You are obsessed with YOUR team and THEIR team and which refs are more biased, blah blah blah.

    You want Obama to win the game, but you don’t give a shit how he performs in the most important part of the year–the off season. I know it gives you wood, but it’s also pretty revolting.

    Oh well, part of why I come to BJ is to be amusingly revolted, so thank you.

  10. 10.

    LosGatosCA

    August 27, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    ‘. . . the GOP’s church. . . ‘

    Party before country, money above all. It’s not a party it’s a cult.

    And, we are experiencing the dark ages right now. Ignorance and pain meted out in sacrifice to the economic gods of greed and corruption. Liberals are the demon seed of the anti-gods of compassion and justice.

  11. 11.

    Mike G

    August 27, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Today’s GOP:
    Stupidity is a virtue. Because libruls hate it.

  12. 12.

    JPL

    August 27, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    @TheWorstPersonInTheWorld: Curious what would you have Obama do? Keep in mind that he’s not a dictator.

  13. 13.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 27, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    be respectful of knowledge that has evolved from thousands of years of human struggle against superstition and the kind of literal-mindedness that leads straight to the dark ages.

    “Evolved from”? “Evolved from”?

    It’s what it is! Stevie Wonder identified this in song over 40 friggin’ years ago!

    The struggle has been to refine the superstition and cloak it so that it doesn’t seem so loony. But praying for rain, and then getting no rain, seems to confirm that praying for rain is a pointless gesture except in the service of superstition.

  14. 14.

    wrb

    August 27, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    What if this leper cometh unto Obama and Obama, moved with compassion, put forth [his] hand, and touched him, and saith unto him, I will; be thou clean.

    And as soon as he had spoken, immediately the leprosy departed from him, and he was cleansed.

    That would fuck with their world

  15. 15.

    Uncle Clarence Thomas

    August 27, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    .
    .

    Perry knows he has to make clear that God is his wingman.

    Every wingnut needs a wingman!
    .
    .

  16. 16.

    Dennis SGMM

    August 27, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    @TheWorstPersonInTheWorld:

    Why don’t you just stick your fingers down your throat instead of crapping up the place with your inane diatribes?

  17. 17.

    danimal

    August 27, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    By the time that the ‘serious’ conservatives rally around Romney (and they will), it will be too late.

    This is good news for Obama, so let Bobo and the ‘intellectual conservatives’ fluff away.

    It’s only bad news if Perrybachmann wins. Then we may as well just gear up for the coming Armageddon anyway, mere politics won’t be a realistic alternative at that point.

  18. 18.

    Yutsano

    August 27, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    @TheWorstPersonInTheWorld:

    You want Obama to win the game, but you don’t give a shit how he performs in the most important part of the year—the off season.

    WTF does that even mean?

  19. 19.

    LosGatosCA

    August 27, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    Every wingnut needs a wingman!

    FTW!

  20. 20.

    Xenos

    August 27, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    @TheWorstPersonInTheWorld: The modern administrative state makes the presidency absolutely critical for maintaining control over the favors and outright corruption that the oil and financial industries need to make most of their profits.

    The dominance of these industries, tied in to government, has made this country politically and economically sclerotic. Eventually they will mean the decline and fall of the US. Keeping federal administrative power out of Republican hands is the main necessity for the survival of this country. Next on the list is stopping the judiciary from being stacked with reactionary assholes.

    Obama is making slow progress on these issues, but he is the strongest weapon in the war to save the country. One more GOP administration will be W squared, just like W was Reagan squared. So as much as you dislike Obama, there is no alternative that is not much, much worse.

  21. 21.

    Bob L

    August 27, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    it’s impossible for me not to love Bush, Perry, Palin, et al. for their enemies.

    Dear god, he just admitted his opinion on public policy is based on the LUZ they generated. Perhaps Goldberg should start writing for SomethingAwful.com?

  22. 22.

    trollhattan

    August 27, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    That Goldberg quote is one for the ages. It takes arch to new, unthinkable heights.

    Is he actually Ann Coulter in double-drag?

  23. 23.

    AA+ Bonds

    August 27, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    What Jonah means is that the opposition are a bunch of tweedy over-thinkers like himself, and he hates himself.

  24. 24.

    JPL

    August 27, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    The way Perry wins is have a troll mention Obama and not mention Perry.

  25. 25.

    JGabriel

    August 27, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Kathleen Parker:

    Whether you like his politics or not, [Rick Perry] emits a pheromonal can-do-ness.

    Pherommonal can-do-ness?

    How can this not be Balloon Juice tag?

    .

  26. 26.

    John Puma

    August 27, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    There is NO, repeat, NO, reason to admire Jonah Goldberg.

  27. 27.

    wrb

    August 27, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    Someone very careful and scholarly is saying it.

    “What are the rewards of reading, and of literary scholarship?

    Harold Bloom: One must read, try to possess by memory, and be possessed by the very best that has been imagined, cognitively apprehended and expressed powerfully. Thinking clearly and well is based upon memory. Unless you have read and absorbed the best that can be read and absorbed, you will not think clearly or well, and democracy will not survive.

    We have this horrible contemporary phenomenon in the Tea Party – a real menace not only to America but to the world. Because if it goes on like this, they will destroy our economy and they will destroy America. They have no democratic vision, and I don’t mean with a capital ‘D’, I mean with a small ‘d’. They frighten me. They’re like the early followers of Adolf Hitler, and I’m willing to be quoted on that. They are a sickening phenomenon. That is because they have not read deeply and widely enough. But then maybe they’re not to blame, because American education – even in elite universities – has become a scandal in my opinion. It has committed suicide.”

  28. 28.

    Mnemosyne

    August 27, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    @Yutsano:

    It means TheWorstPersonInTheWorld has no idea what sports are, except that other people use them as metaphors, so s/he’s going to try and imitate it without actually understanding the phrases.

    It’s like watching someone whose first language is not English trying to logically figure out why people wait “in” line in some parts of the US and wait “on” line in others.

  29. 29.

    Cassidy

    August 27, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    These god people suck. Suck at life, suck at being Christians, suck at being human.

  30. 30.

    The Dangerman

    August 27, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    You almost have to admire Jonah Goldberg…

    Fucker would be flipping burgers someplace except for the fact his dear ol’ Ma taped Monica talking about how she enjoyed the company of the President. Fuck him and the Yankees.

    Edit: Before they sold out, Metallica was pretty good…

    …but it was and is Bowie.

  31. 31.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 27, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    @The Dangerman:

    DING DING DING DING DING!

    Jonah is as much a tribute to “merit” in our society as the deserting coward, Donald Trump, the Koch brothers, and Luke Russert are.

    It’s not who you know, or what you know, it’s who your daddy is.

    We fought a fuckin’ Revolution 235 years ago to end that sort of shit.

  32. 32.

    TheWorstPersonInTheWorld

    August 27, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    @Dennis SGMM:

    Why don’t you just stick your fingers down your throat instead of crapping up the place with your inane diatribes?

    Excellent example of the angry bitterness that is a common Obot trait. You guys “won,” remember? Obama’s “got this!,” you know? So what are you so defensive about?

    I just can’t understand it.

  33. 33.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    August 27, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    You almost have to admire Jonah Goldberg

    There is absolutely no reason to admire Jonah Goldberg. Full stop. He let the mask slip in that he admits part of what he likes about those idiots is that they are disliked by the opposition; that is admirable how? I’m assuming you had a long late night.

    Bowie, of course.

  34. 34.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 27, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    @JGabriel:

    Whether you like his politics or not, [Rick Perry] emits a pheromonal can-do-ness.

    Wow. “pheromonal”? I always think of Parker as a Peggy Noonan wannabe (and I don’t say that to be mean, the mean is just a bonus), but I think even the Dolphin Lady would blush if she sobered up and saw that under her by-line.

  35. 35.

    Ira-NY

    August 27, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    “God is his wingman,” probably is not the way to go with the fundies. As with most things, Parker has it backasswards.

  36. 36.

    Mnemosyne

    August 27, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    @Cassidy:

    Those are the kind of people who make me want to insist on saying five “Hail Marys” at their relative’s military funeral.

  37. 37.

    TheWorstPersonInTheWorld

    August 27, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    @Yutsano:

    WTF does that even mean?

    Oh silly Yuts…the “game” would be the campaign, and the “off-season” would be the rest of the time, you know, the actual doing stuff part of being in elective office…sorry if my little analogy failed your tiny mind.

  38. 38.

    Emerald

    August 27, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    I do wonder if the Republican establishment realized during the debt ceiling debate that it has lost control of the party.

    And that in order to get rid of the crazies, the R presidential candidate is gonna have to lose and lose badly.

    Meanwhile they’ll use their continuing power in the Senate to hold the economy back, and take over again in 2016 to finish looting the country.

    Too many levels of chess?

  39. 39.

    Amir Khalid

    August 27, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    @Xenos:
    Reasoning with TheSilliestHotheadCommenterAtBalloonJuice is pointless. Like the man says, he’s not here for that; he only wants to sneer at us.

    Much better, I think, to poke him with a stick, and provoke him into becoming our entertainment.

  40. 40.

    Kyle

    August 27, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    it’s impossible for me not to love Bush, Perry, Palin, et al. for their enemies.

    Doughy Pantload is an obese, effete Jewish ‘journalist’ from the hated Acela corrdior, and delusionally imagines that the Teatards aren’t just barely tolerating him for as long as he serves as their propaganda mouthpiece.

  41. 41.

    TheWorstPersonInTheWorld

    August 27, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    @Xenos:

    Obama is making slow progress on these issues, but he is the strongest weapon in the war to save the country. One more GOP administration will be W squared, just like W was Reagan squared. So as much as you dislike Obama, there is no alternative that is not much, much worse.

    Hmmm…the usual tired horseshit.

    I have something for you:

    http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/274034_164003182_8363292_n.jpg

  42. 42.

    Mnemosyne

    August 27, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    @TheWorstPersonInTheWorld:

    Yawn. First you don’t know how sports work, and now you’re falling back on claiming that if people point out your metaphor made no sense, it’s just cuz they’re not cool enough to understand the brilliance of your superior mind. Oh, and they’re, like, bitter, too.

    Better work on a new schtick, because this one is getting tedious.

  43. 43.

    Mnemosyne

    August 27, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    @TheWorstPersonInTheWorld:

    If it’s Photoshopped, it must be true!

    You have so many brilliant and original insights. What’s next, Obama is to the right of Nixon? He was a community organizer? He’s a stealth Republican who wants to kill Social Security and Medicare?

    I’m sure you have hundreds more of these brilliant insights that none of us have ever heard before!

  44. 44.

    Lysana

    August 27, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    @Ira-NY:

    “God is his wingman,” probably is not the way to go with the fundies. As with most things, Parker has it backasswards.

    You forget the popularity of “God is my co-pilot.” These people really do use their deity concept as a tool for self-aggrandizement. “I am so awesome, I have God at my beck and call!”

  45. 45.

    Yutsano

    August 27, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    @TheWorstPersonInTheWorld:

    Oh silly Yuts…

    If I choose to be, but not relevant to this situation so I’ll ignore the ad hominem for now…

    the “game” would be the campaign, and the “off-season” would be the rest of the time, you know, the actual doing stuff part of being in elective office

    So the “game” is really only six months and the “off-season” is three and a half years? THAT’S your analogy? Do you think you could stop and think for a second before you answer a question?

    @Amir Khalid:

    Reasoning with TheSilliestHotheadCommenterAtBalloonJuice is pointless. Like the man says, he’s not here for that; he only wants to sneer at us.

    I know. I’m mostly passing time. Plus I know I’m under its skin because it felt compelled to respond. This could get fun.

  46. 46.

    scav

    August 27, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    Only small and tiny minds think what is actually done on the playing field during the actual game is what matters. It’s what the players do in the locker room while on holiday that is critical, don’t you all get that? ! Raygun’s eternal epic stature as president was proven by his high-level negotiations with Bonzo about Naptime. Brought down the Wall, don’t you remember? ! sigh. If you don’t understand what I actually mean, you really are just hopeless.

  47. 47.

    arguingwithsignposts

    August 27, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Isn’t TheWorstPersonInTheWorld Timothy Schlongenhosen Interrupted?

  48. 48.

    fasteddie9318

    August 27, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    Don’t let me interrupt the discussion over why Obama never drafts well, or whatever, but there’s been some excellent news on the War of Terror front. Apparently the “number 3 guy in al-Qaeda” who we keep killing has, on the wake of Osama’s passing, been promoted to number 2, and we just killed him again. Sorry no link, posting from my phone. Raw Story has it, so does AJE.

  49. 49.

    Roger Moore

    August 27, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    @Cassidy:

    These god people suck.

    It’s that particular kind of God people who suck. Not everyone who believes is an asshole who wants to grab every platform to promote their particular brand of belief. It’s just that the obnoxious kind are such a gang of attention whores that they drown out the respectful majority.

  50. 50.

    Mnemosyne

    August 27, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    @Yutsano:

    I think Worsty should go tell a Red Sox fan that Bill Buckner had a great off-season in 1986, so his actual game performance is irrelevant. I think that would go over great, don’t you?

  51. 51.

    Amir Khalid

    August 27, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    For some reason, that quote makes me think of one dog sniffing at another’s butt.

  52. 52.

    Scott

    August 27, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    @JPL:

    Curious what would you have Obama do? Keep in mind that he’s not a dictator.

    Yes, but Worst wishes he was. He doesn’t care that much for democracy or freedom. He wants his team to win now and win forever. He’s got a lot of Tea in him.

    @Bob L:

    Perhaps Goldberg should start writing for SomethingAwful.com?

    Now, now, there’s lots of good things at SomethingAwful. Without SA, we wouldn’t have stuff like Photoshop Phridays and Slender Man. I rather doubt Jonah would last very long there…

  53. 53.

    WaterGirl

    August 27, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    Dear John Cole,

    We miss you.

    signed, Balloon Juice

  54. 54.

    Fucen Pneumatic Fuck Wrench Tarmal

    August 27, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    moreso on the theme that someone has to go there.

    hurricane jane

  55. 55.

    Chris

    August 27, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    @wrb:

    I love the teabagger in your link holding up a sign saying “JESUS IS LORD NOT ALLAH.” Allah, of course, being simply the Arabic word for God, one that thousands of Christians use on a daily basis when praying to said Jesus. But there I go thinking again…

    They frighten me. They’re like the early followers of Adolf Hitler, and I’m willing to be quoted on that.

    Yeah. I agree.

    They are a sickening phenomenon. That is because they have not read deeply and widely enough. But then maybe they’re not to blame, because American education – even in elite universities – has become a scandal in my opinion. It has committed suicide.”

    American education ain’t what it used to be, but there’s only so much any educational system can do in the face of people who deliberately and fanatically choose to believe that education is devil-worship.

    Similarly, “having not read deeply and widely enough” isn’t in itself enough to explain the teabaggers. Honest ignorance is one thing. A relentless, fanatic, willful and carefully cultivated determination to ignore all facts and live in your own reality is something else.

  56. 56.

    Dennis SGMM

    August 27, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    Let me be the first to call out “Worst” as another of DougJ’s spoof-trolls. Regular trolls get minced and then disappear.

  57. 57.

    boss bitch

    August 27, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    Whether you like his politics or not, [Rick Perry] emits a pheromonal can-do-ness.

    So he’s the guy that promises the best sex ever and then turns out to a 1 minute man?

  58. 58.

    arguingwithsignposts

    August 27, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    @Chris:

    Similarly, “having not read deeply and widely enough” isn’t in itself enough to explain the teabaggers. Honest ignorance is one thing. A relentless, fanatic, willful and carefully cultivated determination to ignore all facts and live in your own reality create your own facts is something else.

    FTFY. It’s not that they ignore facts. They _bend_ facts to fit their preconception. Believe me, I went to seminary. I can explain the fossil record in view of Genesis. Not that I believe that shit now, but you can make any inconvenient fact fit into the overarching narrative of the bible.

  59. 59.

    Amir Khalid

    August 27, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    @arguingwithsignposts:
    Yep. But if you give him time, I’m sure he’ll surpass m_c in the annoying-nym-changing department.

  60. 60.

    Roger Moore

    August 27, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    @TheWorstPersonInTheWorld:
    Free hint: if many people have a hard time understanding what you’re saying, that’s usually a sign you haven’t said it well, not that everyone listening to you is an idiot. Your analogy sucks ass. If anything, it’s the campaign that’s the off-season (or maybe the preseason) and governing that’s the important part. So you should be saying that people who were excited about Obama because he campaigned well are like fans who are excited when their team rocks in the preseason but ignore their failures when the games count.

  61. 61.

    arguingwithsignposts

    August 27, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    @JGabriel:

    Whether you like his politics or not, [Rick Perry] emits a pheromonal can-do-ness.

    WTF does that even mean? Does she know what a fucking pheromone is?

  62. 62.

    Dennis SGMM

    August 27, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    @Chris:

    A relentless, fanatic, willful and carefully cultivated determination to ignore all facts and live in your own reality is something else.

    Their own reality is more comforting to them than the facts are. The world has changed, the rules have changed, the climate is changing. Rather than confront the facts that their most cherished beliefs are relics of another time (That never existed anyway) they defend their faux reality by attacking, lying, denying and sticking their fingers in their ears.

  63. 63.

    Roger Moore

    August 27, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    @Lysana:

    You forget the popularity of “God is my co-pilot.” These people really do use their deity concept as a tool for self-aggrandizement. “I am so awesome, I have God at my beck and call!”

    That’s not what they mean about God being their co-pilot. What they mean is that God will step in and bail them out whenever they fuck up. It’s pretty cold comfort to the rest of us that he’s going to bail them out after they’re dead, while the rest of us are left behind to clean up the mess.

  64. 64.

    PeakVT

    August 27, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Da da dah.. da da dah dum….. dum dum dah…

  65. 65.

    Chris

    August 27, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    FTFY. It’s not that they ignore facts. They bend facts to fit their preconception. Believe me, I went to seminary. I can explain the fossil record in view of Genesis. Not that I believe that shit now, but you can make any inconvenient fact fit into the overarching narrative of the bible.

    True, but I still think there’s a fair amount of straight-up ignoring facts going on.

    To use things like fossils as an example – it’s one thing to look at the reality of evolution and the Earth’s more-than-6,000-years-old age, and “fit it into the overarching narrative” by saying that God made it all happen. (I believe that’s the official position of the Catholic Church and most mainline Protestant ones).

    It’s quite another thing to simply refuse to acknowledge it and go on preaching Young Earth Creationism louder. Which is what almost all conservatives do today.

  66. 66.

    BillinGlendaleCA (aka 10amla)

    August 27, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    @boss bitch:
    Teabagger == Minuteman?

  67. 67.

    Calouste

    August 27, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    @TheWorstPersonInTheWorld:

    how he performs in the most important part of the year—the off season.

    Your sense of metaphores didn’t make the draft, heck, it didn’t even make the highschool team.

  68. 68.

    Roger Moore

    August 27, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    @Chris:

    American education ain’t what it used to be, but there’s only so much any educational system can do in the face of people who deliberately and fanatically choose to believe that education is devil-worship.

    I think it’s safe to ignore that part of the quote. It’s just Bloom riding his personal hobby horse. He thinks our educational establishment is going to hell in a handbasket because they’ve broadened their reading list to include women and minorities, and he’s never going to give up bitching about it.

  69. 69.

    TheWorstPersonInTheWorld

    August 27, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Better work on a new schtick, because this one is getting tedious.

    How about if I keep my current schtick, as do you, and you just pretend not to notice me?

    Thanks!

  70. 70.

    Amir Khalid

    August 27, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    @Chris:
    As I understand the creationist position, it holds that God put the fossils in the ground to test people’s faith in Him. So if you ignored them as evidence and believed in the biblical account of creation, then you passed the test. (This was explained to me by a creationist friend of mine.)

    I have always thought it strange that, in order to explain away the evidence of an old Earth and evolution, the Creationists would conceive of a God who tells us lies.

  71. 71.

    arguingwithsignposts

    August 27, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    @Chris:

    It’s quite another thing to simply refuse to acknowledge it and go on preaching Young Earth Creationism louder. Which is what almost all conservatives do today.

    Probably some do. But others have places like the Institute for Creation Research and other outfits to more closely fit the evidence to the worldview.

    There are educated, intelligent people in evangelical circles (I use the word “intelligent” in a limited sense, of course), and they need something to explain their belief beyond “God said it, I believe it.”

  72. 72.

    gnomedad

    August 27, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    @Mike G:

    Today’s GOP:
    Stupidity is a virtue. Because libruls hate it.

    Perfect. I award you one internet.

  73. 73.

    TheWorstPersonInTheWorld

    August 27, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    Isn’t TheWorstPersonInTheWorld Timothy Schlongenhosen Interrupted?

    (although, to be accurate, it was TimInterruptedTimothyTrollenschlongen)

    DING DING DING! Yes, it is I, I confess, though I never pretended otherwise when I switched monikers. Eemom called me out almost immediately.

    BTW, has she been run out of here now that she no longer genuflects before all that is Obama’s greatness?

    Some Obot called me TWPITW in some thread a few weeks back, and I found it to be delightfully over the top and insane, much like Obot thinking, not to mention adorbs, so I took it on immediately.

    Hope you don’t mind!

    Thanks!

  74. 74.

    TheWorstPersonInTheWorld

    August 27, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    I think Worsty should go tell a Red Sox fan that Bill Buckner had a great off-season in 1986, so his actual game performance is irrelevant. I think that would go over great, don’t you?

    You so totally have a crush on me. CUTE!

  75. 75.

    arguingwithsignposts

    August 27, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    @Amir Khalid: That’s one stream of argument, yes. Although it’s not always the “test your faith” variety. Some have said the fossils were put there because God created the universe and the earth _as if_ they were already old, because that’s the way it works better.

  76. 76.

    Roger Moore

    August 27, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    @Roger Moore:
    Didn’t get to add it in time, but it’s also ridiculous to blame the teabaggers on a decline in our educational system. If there’s a defining characteristic of the tea party, it’s that it skews old. If our educational system is declining, why is the tea party making its biggest inroads in Bloom’s generation rather than today’s kids?

  77. 77.

    arguingwithsignposts

    August 27, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    @TheWorstPersonInTheWorld: Keith Olbermann might mind.

  78. 78.

    Calouste

    August 27, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    God “testing the faith” runs through the Bible: Adam & Eve and the apple, Job, that dude who was asked to sacrifice his son whose name escapes me at the moment.

  79. 79.

    TheWorstPersonInTheWorld

    August 27, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Dear John Cole, We miss you. signed, Balloon Juice

    Leave Cole alone. He is sitting on the pot, “cleansing.”

    The fact that his pot is in a closet is entirely another matter.

  80. 80.

    Samara Morgan

    August 27, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    i liek that title a LOT.

    @Amir Khalid: pardon for the OT, but do you have a sect and/or school…..or…..are you a non-demoninational muslim?

  81. 81.

    scav

    August 27, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    As I understand the creationist position, it holds that God put the fossils in the ground to test people’s faith in Him. So if you ignored them as evidence and believed in the biblical account of creation, then you passed the test. (This was explained to me by a creationist friend of mine.)

    Well, let’s try their logic using abortion clinics and gay marriages. God is putting them in the world to test people’s actions and if they don’t get gay married and have an abortion (in any order they choose) then they passed their God’s test, blah blah blah. By outlawing these things, believers are frustrating their Lord’s plan of only letting the good people into heaven: too many godly laws down here and you just let in the riff-raff for eternity. If only I thought it would fly.

  82. 82.

    Roger Moore

    August 27, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    @Calouste:

    that dude who was asked to sacrifice his son whose name escapes me at the moment.

    Abraham. I can see how you’d forget him, he’s only like the central character in Genesis.

  83. 83.

    MikeJ

    August 27, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    @Roger Moore:
    God said to Abraham kill me son
    Abe say man you must be puttin me on
    God say no
    Abe say what?
    God say you can do what you want Abe but
    Next time you see me comin you better run
    Abe say “where you want this kill done?”
    God say out on highway 61…..

  84. 84.

    Samara Morgan

    August 27, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    @Roger Moore: i hope that was snark.

    mistermix, check out reformed juicer Elias Isquith at the LoOG.
    MLK was a baddie that hated white assclowns like me.

  85. 85.

    Amir Khalid

    August 27, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    @Roger Moore:
    That whole story of God demanding the sacrifice of Abraham’s son is, of course, central to the rites of pilgrimage to Mecca and Islam’s other high holy day, Eid al-Adha.

    But I had always thought the central character in Genesis was named Peter Gabriel.

  86. 86.

    Jeffro

    August 27, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    @Big Baby DougJ: She’s upset. Look at what’s happened to Her Party, after all. Those ignorant, reactionary folks that the GOP used to rile up every election cycle (and then go back to ignoring as the wealthy received their usual white-glove service?) They done stayed riled up, and now they’re running the show.

    Can’t have that cake AND eat it too, Kathleen. Whenever you’re ready, America’s remaining center-right party is ready for you ;)

  87. 87.

    Roger Moore

    August 27, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    @Samara Morgan:
    I think that would more properly qualify as sarcasm rather than snark, but yes, I’m making fun of anyone who could remember the story of Abraham and Isaac but forget the names (and not quickly look them up on Google rather than admit their ignorance).

  88. 88.

    Old Dan and Little Ann

    August 27, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    Oh God said to Abraham, “Kill me a son”
    Abe says, “Man, you must be puttin’ me on”
    God say, “No.” Abe say, “What ?”
    God say, “You can do what you want Abe, but
    The next time you see me comin’ you better run”
    Well Abe says, “Where do you want this killin’ done ?”
    God says. “Out on Highway 61”.

  89. 89.

    Cacti

    August 27, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    The reason wingnuts will flock to Perry is because he’s the real thing.

    He didn’t have a road to Damascus moment right around the time he decided to run for POTUS.

    Even in wingnut land, people can sniff out a phony. Tough luck Mittens.

  90. 90.

    Yutsano

    August 27, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    @MikeJ: @Old Dan and Little Ann: 70’s lyricists were an odd lot.

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    BillinGlendaleCA (aka 10amla)

    August 27, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    @Amir Khalid:
    That depends on your time frame, it could also be Phil Collins.

  92. 92.

    Samara Morgan

    August 27, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    @Amir Khalid: sect, shayyk?
    or you can tell me its none of my bidness.
    curtiosity killed the cat, after all, and almost killed the Elephants Child.

  93. 93.

    wrb

    August 27, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    He thinks our educational establishment is going to hell in a handbasket because they’ve broadened their reading list to include women and minorities, and he’s never going to give up bitching about it.

    That’s a bit unfair. His Western canon includes Austen, Dickenson (full chapter), George Eliot, Woolf (full chapter) Borges, Neruda, R.K. Narayan, Salman Rushdie and Ruth Prawer Jhabvala.

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    Amir Khalid

    August 27, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    @Samara Morgan:
    I hesitate to answer, lest I provoke you again with another reply not to your satisfaction.

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    Amir Khalid

    August 27, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA (aka 10amla):
    Genesis with Phil Collins were a mere pop group.

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    Roger Moore

    August 27, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    @wrb:

    That’s a bit unfair.

    But only a bit. He may be willing to accept a few token non-DWMs, but his views on what constitutes valid literature are awfully damn narrow. And I’ll repeat my refutation of his basic point: the tea party skews toward older people who received an education closer to the one Bloom advocates and away from younger people who got the kind of education he criticizes.

  97. 97.

    ericblair

    August 27, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    Abraham. I can see how you’d forget him, he’s only like the central character in Genesis.

    Yes, so when you hear voices in your head telling you to kill your kids you should totally do it. What? OK, then, perhaps a literal reading of the Bible is a bit problematic.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    August 27, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    @Yutsano: Highway 61 Revisited was released in 1965. Of course, your statement stands as it is.

  99. 99.

    arguingwithsignposts

    August 27, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    @Samara Morgan: Yes, it’s none of your goddamn business, you little stalker. Now fuck off.

  100. 100.

    Rabble Arouser

    August 27, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    @Alex S.: As long as it’s their early catalogs, both.

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    gogol's wife

    August 27, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    @Xenos:

    Very pithy. I agree in spirit, if not in every detail. This message needs to be spread widely.

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    suzanne

    August 27, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    I concur that Perry will beat Romney. I’m less convinced, however, that Perry can’t win. Crap.

  103. 103.

    gogol's wife

    August 27, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    @JPL:

    They never mention any Republican. This is the tell.

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    Yutsano

    August 27, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Since no answer will meet to her satisfaction, I consider this course wise.

    @Omnes Omnibus: It’s most likely because of my age, but the 60’s and the 70’s tend to blur in my brain. Nixon was still President though.

  105. 105.

    gogol's wife

    August 27, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    @TheWorstPersonInTheWorld:

    Sorry, the person you are addressing there is not an Obot.

  106. 106.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    August 27, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    @arguingwithsignposts: I suspect it means she finds him hot, though I’d hope not, for her sake.

  107. 107.

    Samara Morgan

    August 27, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    @Amir Khalid: you fail at understanding Sufism then.
    every human is what they CAN be. atheists are meant to be atheists, jews are are meant to be jews, christians are meant to be christians.
    Man cannot acquire what he cannot use.

    If Allah meant for you to be something else, that something would appear in your path.

    be brave and grasp the blade.
    :)

  108. 108.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    August 27, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    @Yutsano:

    70’s lyricists were an odd lot

    And Dylan more than most, of course. Though that song was from 1965 or so.

  109. 109.

    Alex S.

    August 27, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    @Rabble Arouser:

    Metallica is hit-or-miss for me. Bowie is among the best, but ironically, I like the 1975-1980 Bowie more than the glam rock Bowie. I even prefer Aladdin Sane to Ziggy Stardust…

  110. 110.

    Amir Khalid

    August 27, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): She liked me at first. She thought my Arabic name was cool. But that was a long time ago.

  111. 111.

    Yutsano

    August 27, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    @Samara Morgan: Thank you so much for proving his fucking point.

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I’m certain there are methods of extracting deeper revelations from the lyrics of these songs. Though Don McLean still swears “American Pie” doesn’t have any hidden messages.

  112. 112.

    Samara Morgan

    August 27, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    @Amir Khalid: you can say its not my bidness.
    that was option 2.

  113. 113.

    WyldPirate

    August 27, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    @TheWorstPersonInTheWorld:

    Leave Cole alone. He is sitting on the pot, “cleansing.”
    __
    The fact that his pot is in a closet is entirely another matter.

    I didn’t know Cole grew pot. The closet is a terrible place, though, as heat build-up/proper ventilation is problematic without altering the walls, floor or ceiling.

    I think Cole should try a nice THC olive extract prepared from freshly dried bud trimmings in his next green smoothies. He might disappear and sleep for a day or two, though.

  114. 114.

    BillinGlendaleCA (aka 10amla)

    August 27, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    @Amir Khalid:
    Whatever Gets You Through The Night. :)

  115. 115.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    August 27, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    @Amir Khalid: I meant Parker’s comments on Perry’s “pheromonal can do-ness.” I’d be hoping not for YOUR sake in the case of those who want to quibble babble on about Arabic names and Islamic beliefs. :)

    And you’re quite right about Genesis. It wasn’t the same band without Gabriel. In fact some of us don’t actually recognize that version as Genesis.

  116. 116.

    suzanne

    August 27, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    @Samara Morgan:

    are you a non-demoninational muslim?

    Demon-national?

  117. 117.

    The Sheriff's A Ni-

    August 27, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    @TheWorstPersonInTheWorld: Aw, look who’s having the meltdown now that Governor Goodhair is the new frontrunner. So much for Mittens making life easy for your ‘they’re both the same’ bullshit.

    C’mon, Timmeh, say it. You know you want to. You know you have to. C’mon. ‘Nach Perry…’

  118. 118.

    suzanne

    August 27, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    She liked me at first. She thought my Arabic name was cool. But that was a long time ago.

    Like many white people of privilege, she is entranced by The Exotic Other.

    The fact that othering anyone is in fact a way of showing contempt for their culture is a leap she hasn’t made yet.

  119. 119.

    Amir Khalid

    August 27, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    I meant Parker’s comments on Perry’s “pheromonal can do-ness.”

    Oopsie. My bad. But you know, that’s a very plausible explanation for Parker talking about Perry in those terms. After all, he is one of the candidates with the “President from Central Casting” looks. Him and Mitt Romney and maybe Jon Huntsman.

  120. 120.

    arguingwithsignposts

    August 27, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    @The Sheriff’s A Ni-: Timmeh Dickhosen Interruptes doesn’t vote, so whatever he says is just more blah, blah, blah.

  121. 121.

    arguingwithsignposts

    August 27, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    @Amir Khalid: My problem, which thhafifkabq identified, I think, is that a pheromone doesn’t make sense in this instance. Don’t all pheromones “do” something? It’s like she’s saying “he has that sort of wetness that water possesses.”

  122. 122.

    scav

    August 27, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    ‘spose there are those that get all hot and bothered by pheromones from a can and dos (hair or otherwise) off a Ken Doll, but still. . . sorta sad. My Plastic Phantasy will come to save the day and make everything all better and tell me what to do forevermore.

  123. 123.

    Amir Khalid

    August 27, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    @Yutsano:
    I have alwats read American Pie as a straight-up history, more or less, of how rock’n’roll lost its innocence, over the period from Buddy Holly’s death to Janis Joplin’s.

  124. 124.

    The Sheriff's A Ni-

    August 27, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    @arguingwithsignposts: Really? Wow.

  125. 125.

    The Sheriff's A Ni-

    August 27, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    @Amir Khalid: And how Don McLean really really really didn’t like Mick Jagger.

  126. 126.

    Yutsano

    August 27, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    @Amir Khalid: You could be indeed correct. McLean still plays coy about it though. Which of course just makes people wonder harder…

  127. 127.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 27, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    @Yutsano: If he answered the question, he would get less attention. It’s marketing. Or flirting, if you prefer.

  128. 128.

    poco

    August 27, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    @TheWorstPersonInTheWorld: Get off my lawn! Thank you.

  129. 129.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 27, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    @The Sheriff’s A Ni-:

    So come on: jack be nimble, jack be quick!
    Jack flash sat on a candlestick

    Just that, or am I missing something else in the lyrics?

  130. 130.

    Yutsano

    August 27, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Good marketing is more or less flirting. In that it makes the consumer feel enticed to try something.

  131. 131.

    grandpajohn

    August 27, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    @TheWorstPersonInTheWorld:

    I just can’t understand it.

    I’m sure you can’t. understanding requires a reasonable degree of comprehension and rational thought.

  132. 132.

    scav

    August 27, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    @arguingwithsignposts: I just assumed “pheromonal can-do-ness” originally meant “appearence of capability” but with a dash of teen-age starbursts and then put through a D.Brooksinator in order to be journalisticaly hip and with-it. Well, that or a really bad bounce out of a spell-check.

    ETA: Although, now that I look at it, that is rather inexplicable how I got there, rather like explaining a scrambled word solution of HHTTOOS into HOTSHOT

  133. 133.

    wrb

    August 27, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    from there to the conclusion of the song. Altamont and its aftermath:

    Oh, and there we were all in one place,
    A generation lost in space
    With no time left to start again.
    So come on: jack be nimble, jack be quick!
    Jack flash sat on a candlestick
    Cause fire is the devil’s only friend.

    Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
    My hands were clenched in fists of rage.
    No angel born in hell
    Could break that satan’s spell.
    And as the flames climbed high into the night
    To light the sacrificial rite,
    I saw satan laughing with delight
    The day the music died

    He was singing,
    “bye-bye, miss american pie.”
    Drove my chevy to the levee,
    But the levee was dry.
    Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
    And singin’, “this’ll be the day that I die.
    “this’ll be the day that I die.”

    I met a girl who sang the blues
    And I asked her for some happy news,
    But she just smiled and turned away.
    I went down to the sacred store
    Where I’d heard the music years before,
    But the man there said the music wouldn’t play.

    And in the streets: the children screamed,
    The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed.
    But not a word was spoken;
    The church bells all were broken.
    And the three men I admire most:
    The father, son, and the holy ghost,
    They caught the last train for the coast
    The day the music died.

  134. 134.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 27, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Altamont and its aftermath:

    ah, thanks

    I remember in the summer of ’01, before 9/11, Parker wrote a column about the sight of Bush in his pick-up on the “ranch”, and who that image assured her that Bush was a Good Man. I can’t remember if she capitalized it, but it was clear that she thought that simple understatement was loaded with deep meaning, just like Bush did himself, as in “Bernie, you’re a good man”

  135. 135.

    Amir Khalid

    August 27, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    @arguingwithsignposts:
    Parker’s no zoologist. I doubt she knows, or even cares, exactly what pheromones do. It’s just an odd turn of phrase. But I doubt there’s any more to it than just clumsy writing. She probably meant to say that Perry has an air of capability about him — although, from what I hear about things in Texas, such a claim doesn’t precisely match the evidence.

  136. 136.

    aimai

    August 27, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    @wrb:

    Well, that’s a straight up lie, for one thing. The whole point of the Tea Party, specifically–its actual membership–is that they probably didn’t go to an elite US University and even if they did they rejected everything they learned there, or could have learned there. It isn’t freakin’ Harvard’s fault that Regent U and all the other craptacular little bible colleges don’t value learning of any kind. Its William F. Buckley and Bush that brought dishonor to Yale University, not the other way around.

    aimai

  137. 137.

    Roger Moore

    August 27, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    @scav:

    I just assumed “pheromonal can-do-ness” originally meant “appearence of capability” but with a dash of teen-age starbursts

    I think they idea is more than just “appearance of capability”, but that his appeal is subconscious the way that pheromones affect people subconsciously. IOW, she just knows that he can do stuff without being able to explain it. The sexual side of the pheromones is more of a Freudian thing.

  138. 138.

    wrb

    August 27, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I should have added, for clarity: It was Sympathy for the Devil the Stones were playing as things built up to the stabbing. They even stopped it and restarted due to the fights breaking out.

    Garcia (the Dead split,w/o playing and returned to San Fran-“took the last for the coast”?) later said something along the lines of “You summon that shit, eventually it is going to come. This isn’t play.”

  139. 139.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 27, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    I definitely think “pheromonal” is a clumsy way of saying she thinks he’s hot. “can-do-ness” (and typing that ought really drives home what a stupid term that is) I think is meant to refer to his manly competence, a pithy twist on Peggy Noonan’s weird fantasy about Bush saving the neighbors’ children from a house fire (“where’s Sally?”)

  140. 140.

    scav

    August 27, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    @Roger Moore: Good point about the unconscious part of the equation. But, there’s what pheromones actually do and there’s what they do in popular myth and I doubt she’s gotten beyond that. I assumed the sexual bit because that seems to be loaded into all expressions of personal approval any more.

  141. 141.

    Ruckus

    August 27, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    @Roger Moore:
    Sometimes it is easy to forget the characters in a fairy tale that you stopped reading and believing years(decades)ago.

  142. 142.

    wrb

    August 27, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    @aimai:

    I think you are arguing with Roger’s point, not mine. I agree that the Tea Party members have not received the sort of education nor done the reading that Bloom advocates.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    August 27, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    where’s Sally?

    I thought she was sneaking through the alley with Robert Palmer.

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    Old Dan and Little Ann

    August 27, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    My 8th grade history teacher played “American Pie” one day on his guitar. It was like something out of A Wonder Years episode. He explained the lyircs to the class but I don’t remember the specifics. The McLean-Jagger info. I have read here is interesting.

  145. 145.

    Amir Khalid

    August 27, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Eww. No, I’m not flirting with m_c.

  146. 146.

    scav

    August 27, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    @Amir Khalid: No no, don’t worry, OO clearly meant McLean and his audience. You’re in the clear, well in the clear.

  147. 147.

    arguingwithsignposts

    August 27, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    @scav: The wires crossing in this thread are certainly interesting.

  148. 148.

    Yutsano

    August 27, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Oh, I see the confusion. My comparison to you being coy about your exact Islamic sect with Don McLean being coy about the true meaning of “American Pie” got crossed up. I’ll take the blame for that. I wouldn’t wish any human upon the child if she’s like this in Meatspace.

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    The wires crossing in this thread are certainly interesting.

    Agreed. Can we haz new troll now plz? The PUMA one a few threads down won’t play ball with me.

  149. 149.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 27, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Oh good lord, no. I would not suggest that. I blame Yutsano for the confusion, but I apologize, nevertheless, for any alarm I may have caused.

  150. 150.

    Amir Khalid

    August 27, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    @arguingwithsignposts:
    I think the confusion is partly due to m_c getting on my nerves just a little bit.

  151. 151.

    arguingwithsignposts

    August 27, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    @Amir Khalid: we’ve all been there, dude.

  152. 152.

    Yutsano

    August 27, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: “BEEP BEEP!!”

    That was the bus.

    (Which I threw myself under. I just couldn’t resist the opportunity to mess with your gourd. You can get me back later.)

  153. 153.

    Kathy in St. Louis

    August 27, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    I keep thinking I must have been raised by impostors. My father and mother must made up an entire alternate world for my brothers, my sister, and I. In it we were “Christians” who were taught to take care of those weaker than we were, help the sick, the poor, the elderly. We were told that it was our Christian duty. That’s how I know they must have been impostors, because I see all these politicians today who claim to be Christians and they never mention the poor or the elderly, or the weak without making it sound as if they deserve no help from and that they are a drain on our society. And since there are so many of them out there today talking about God and hating all these people I was taught to take care of, it must be that my parents were wrong. The only other conclusion I can reach is that these people really can’t be Christians……nah, can’t be that.

  154. 154.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 27, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    @Amir Khalid: She does that. It is her true talent.

    On the other hand, the Stones discussion here has caused me to do some listening to songs from Exile on Main Street, always a good thing.

  155. 155.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 27, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    I see Irene is down to Category 1. Has anyone seen any evidence that it will weaken and/or surge? Or is there no really reliable way to predict?

  156. 156.

    WaterGirl

    August 27, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    @ arguingwithsignposts
    @ hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    I suspect it means she finds him hot, though I’d hope not, for her sake.

    Pretty much my take, on both counts.
    Another reminder that I have been meaning to find out the correct spelling for eewww.

    Edit: Maybe she thought it sounded better than “hot”; instead she just sounds like an idiot.

  157. 157.

    arguingwithsignposts

    August 27, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    @Kathy in St. Louis: That’s an excellent summary. I may steal that.

  158. 158.

    Ruckus

    August 27, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    @Amir Khalid:
    Thank cleek for empowering us with the cure. It brings to mind WC Fields. Children should be neither seen nor heard. At least children who have achieved only the chronological age of adulthood.

  159. 159.

    Raven (formerly stuckinred)

    August 27, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    @Ruckus:
    “I love children, as long as they’re well cooked!”

    WCF

  160. 160.

    WaterGirl

    August 27, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): @Amir Khalid:

    You guys are cracking me up. Will you guys be here all week?

  161. 161.

    Raven (formerly stuckinred)

    August 27, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    No big deal at Hatteras? This is someone’s backyard.

  162. 162.

    Amir Khalid

    August 27, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    On Don McLean and hidden meanings in American Pie, maybe he’s just teasing the kind of obsessives who look high and low for hidden meanings in songs. John Lennon did something like that with Come Together — he wrote nonsensical lyrics just to send them off on a wild goose chase.

    But anyone familiar with rock between Buddy’s death and Janis’ would surely get the references: to Buddy, to Elvis, to Bob Dylan, to the Beatles and the Byrds and the Stones, and finally to Janis. For example, “The Jester on the sidelines in a cast” can only refer to Bob’s motorcycle accident before he went electric.

  163. 163.

    Amir Khalid

    August 27, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    Mark my words, Obama is going to get blamed for crying wolf over Hurricane Irene.

  164. 164.

    WaterGirl

    August 27, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    @Amir Khalid: @arguingwithsignposts:

    If I had to guess.. since pheromones are lot thinking/logical things, I think she’s trying to say that she Just feels, at some primal level, that he is a can-do guy. She just feels it in a way that is not based on logic or thinking.

    I’d say there is definitely some tingling running down her leg.

    Edit: what roger moore said, at 137. i see he beat me to it.

  165. 165.

    Ruckus

    August 27, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    @Raven (formerly stuckinred):
    I like children – fried.

    Once, during Prohibition, I was forced to live for days on nothing but food and water.

    Some weasel took the cork out of my lunch.

    Some of my WCF favs

  166. 166.

    arguingwithsignposts

    August 27, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    @WaterGirl: ewwww.

  167. 167.

    WaterGirl

    August 27, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    @arguingwithsignposts: First I thought you were supplying the correct spelling of “ewww”, which I mentioned not knowing earlier.

    Then I assumed your ewww was you thinking about what I thought she was thinking.

    Then I wondered if your ewww was because I described the situation in an icky way.

    No crossed wires on this thread. Nope.

  168. 168.

    arguingwithsignposts

    August 27, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    @WaterGirl: more of the latter than the former. Any spelling of ewww is the correct spelling, except ewe.

  169. 169.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 27, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    Any spelling of ewww is the correct spelling, except ewe.

    That would depend on the context.

  170. 170.

    Chris

    August 27, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    @Kathy in St. Louis:

    I keep thinking I must have been raised by impostors. My father and mother must made up an entire alternate world for my brothers, my sister, and I. In it we were “Christians” who were taught to take care of those weaker than we were, help the sick, the poor, the elderly. We were told that it was our Christian duty.

    The Christian obligation to be your brother’s keeper? Yeah, I know exactly how you feel – that’s how I was raised too.

    But there’s a big difference between Christianity as a set of values and Christianity as a team identity. For Repubs, it’s the latter. See their infatuation with the “faith, not acts” doctrine – nothing you do matters, all that matters is that you kiss God’s ring and join the ranks of the Chosen. Do that, and no matter how bad your actions are, you’re good. Do it not, and no matter how good your actions are, you’re bad. These are people who think IRA bombers go to heaven and Gandhi goes to hell.

  171. 171.

    WaterGirl

    August 27, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    @arguingwithsignposts: Sorry, just trying to be clear. :-)

  172. 172.

    arguingwithsignposts

    August 27, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I am never in a context where I would use “ewe.” But you are correct, as usual.

  173. 173.

    WaterGirl

    August 27, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    @Chris: I started to read your comment as the page was reloading. I got to “But there’s a big difference between Christianity as a set of values and Christianity as ..” and I was guessing that the phrase was going to be “Christianity as a weapon”. I think that works, too.

  174. 174.

    Roger Moore

    August 27, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I’d say there is definitely some tingling running down her leg.

    I don’t know if she explicitly meant it sexually, though plenty of other people do like commenting on Perry and other Republicans in a vaguely sexual way. I think it’s mostly on a level of Stephen Colbert’s “you go with your gut” comment. The Republicans are ruled by their gut instincts (or maybe a little bit lower than their guts) rather than their intellects, and this is one more example of the trope.

  175. 175.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 27, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    @arguingwithsignposts: What would you call a female sheep? Aside from Dolly, of course. Or “hey, baby….” I don’t judge.

  176. 176.

    arguingwithsignposts

    August 27, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Mutton?

  177. 177.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 27, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    @arguingwithsignposts: Touche, you little monster.

  178. 178.

    arguingwithsignposts

    August 27, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Wow. I will just leave it at that. :)

  179. 179.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 27, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    @arguingwithsignposts: It is one of my favorite line from Doonesbury ever. Back when Mike was still in college, he was in a brief debate with a pompous alumnus and, after Mike made a good point, the pompous alumnus paused for a frame and then said that.

  180. 180.

    Samara Morgan

    August 27, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    @suzanne: i never liked him.
    i only liked his name.
    @Chris: /sigh

    ALL christians believe in the RIGHT to proselytize.
    Muslims (real muslims, not maftoons) believe in the RIGHT to be free from proselytization.

    that is the difference.
    its simple.

  181. 181.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 27, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    @Samara Morgan: No one mentioned Muslims. Stop trying to drag everything over to your hobby horses; the poor wee beasties are overloaded.

  182. 182.

    Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason

    August 27, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    @Raven (formerly stuckinred): I remember the WC Fields’ line this way:

    “I love children … fried.”

    ETA: I see Ruckus @165 beat me to it. BTW, I love the “food and water” line.

  183. 183.

    TheWorstPersonInTheWorld

    August 27, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    @The Sheriff’s A Ni-:

    Aw, look who’s having the meltdown now that Governor Goodhair is the new frontrunner. So much for Mittens making life easy for your ‘they’re both the same’ bullshit.

    Am I having a meltdown? I hadn’t noticed…

    …now that you sort of mention it, the smooth-talking, now salt and peppered, ineffectual Chicagoan vs. the big-talkin,’ toupeed, ineffectual Texan would make a great show for the stupid electorate, giving them just the required illusion that they have a meaningful “choice” to make, and that the outcome would amount to a hill of beans.

  184. 184.

    A Ghost To Most

    August 27, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Is he actually Ann Coulter in double-drag 23 wetsuits and a dildo?

  185. 185.

    Samara Morgan

    August 27, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: im refuting Chris.

    But there’s a big difference between Christianity as a set of values and Christianity as a team identity.

    there is one thing ALL christians agree on…the RIGHT to proselytize.
    there is zero difference between Team Jesus and Team GOP on that.

    isnt that true Omnes?
    dont all christians believe in the RIGHT to proselytize?

  186. 186.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 27, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    @Samara Morgan: Irrelevant to Chris’s point. Further, I don’t presume to know what all Christians believe. I can be an arrogant bastard, but I would never go so far as to do that.

  187. 187.

    Samara Morgan

    August 27, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: H–null: there is no difference on right to proselytize between values christianity and identity christianity.

    are you a christian?

  188. 188.

    Roger Moore

    August 27, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    @Samara Morgan:

    Muslims (real muslims, not maftoons) believe in the RIGHT to be free from proselytization.

    No TRUE Muslim would proselytize. There must be a lot of fake Muslims around then, because Islam has long been one of the most aggressively proselytizing religions; that’s how it got to be one of the world’s largest.

  189. 189.

    Delia

    August 27, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    @Amir Khalid:
    Dylan went electric at the Newport Folk Festival in 1965. Highway 61 Revisited (1965) had some songs with electric instrumentation, and Blonde On Blonde (1966) had more. The motorcycle accident, if it indeed occurred, was after his UK tour in 1966. It may have been rather minor and he was just burned out. No one who’s talking is sure.

    @WaterGirl: Parker may have been taken in by Bush. But if you read this complete piece, she’s not falling for Perry’s pheromones and is commenting on the problems of a party that’s governed by people who do. She may still be a conservative, but she’s capable of learning and of independent thought.

  190. 190.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 27, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    @Samara Morgan: Chris was not discussing that. As far as your rather personal question goes, I have often stated on this blog that I am an agnostic. My family’s background is Christian, primarily Protestant (Lutheran and Congregationalist) except for the French Canadians who were Catholics. Would you like to know anything else?

  191. 191.

    Samara Morgan

    August 27, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    No TRUE Muslim would proselytize.

    i did not say that.
    i SAID muslims believe in the RIGHT to be free from outgroup proselytizing. That is why proselytizing and building churches and synagogues is forbidden by shariah law in countries where shariah is the Rule of Law.
    In countries like the USA, where freedom of speech and freedom of religion are the Rule of Law, muslims can and do proselytize according to their deen.
    For example, the ground zero mosque can be built in America, but a church or synagogue cannot be built in Mecca, Medina, Karbala or Qom.

    But i do not proselytize, because im a sufi, and sufis believe every human is already what they should be, and what they are able to be.
    yours is better for you, mine is better for me, and all paths are the One Path.

  192. 192.

    Samara Morgan

    August 27, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Chris was not discussing that

    sure he was. he was discussing DIFFERENCES between values christians and identity christians.

    why does this bother juicers so terribly?
    im pointing out that both sets have a commonality.

    and shukran.
    :)

  193. 193.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 27, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    @Samara Morgan: Jesus fucking Christ. Most Christians are also bipeds. Of course, there are commonalities. That is probably one of the reasons that Chris thought it necessary to point out differences. Jesus wept.

  194. 194.

    Chet

    August 27, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    @Chris: Don’t forget the ones who don’t actually know (or give a shit) whether or not Jesus or God or Heaven or Hell actually exist, but support more public affirmation of Christianity anyway because it’s the foundation of our glorious Western White Anglo Saxon culture, or something. I actually have more contempt for those assholes than I do for the honest fundies.

  195. 195.

    arguingwithsignposts

    August 27, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: love the doonesbury. Used to do a pretty good impression of Trudeau’s style way back in the ’80s. It was the extent of my artistic career.

  196. 196.

    arguingwithsignposts

    August 27, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    @Samara Morgan: Interesting that a sufi presumes to speak to the beliefs of all muslims who are not maftoons (or whatever silly nym she projects upon the rest of the religion). And wasn’t she proselytizing earlier in the thread about sufiism?

  197. 197.

    suzanne

    August 27, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    @Samara Morgan:

    ALL christians believe in the RIGHT to proselytize.

    And many also believe in having the good taste not to do it.

    And many believe, to paraphrase St. Francis of Assisi (since you went to Catholic school, this may something related to religion that you actually do indeed know), that they should preach the gospel at all times, and only occasionally use words.

    Look, people, even stupid ones, are complicated, and probably know more about their own lives than you do. Your lack of humility honestly makes me suspect your own faith.

    Well, that, and that you’re a rich white girl from a privileged background who fancies herself an iconoclast and liberated thinker, and you enjoy parading your appropriated identity in front of others even when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

  198. 198.

    arguingwithsignposts

    August 27, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Jesus fucking Christ. Most Christians are also bipeds. Of course, there are commonalities.

    For some reason, I nominate this for comment of the day. especially given the context. :)

  199. 199.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 27, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    @arguingwithsignposts: Thanks. I am honored just to be nominated.

  200. 200.

    fuckwit

    August 27, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    There is a huge 2-year-old boy throwing poopy diapers at his parents at the center of every conservative I’ve seen in the “movement” (and I mean that term in every possible way), and especially the most prominent ones in the media.

    Like O’Lielly, Limblow, etc, their main animating purpose seems to be to PISS OFF MOMMY. That’s all there is to it.

    They don’t care about anything else except fucking with people who are smarter than them. When called on their bullshit, they keep doing it, enthusiastically, because “it’s working!”, so why stop.

    They’re nihilistic, selfish, contrarian little 2-year-olds. They care only about being an asshole. If they succeed in making people angry, then they’re happy and call that a win.

    Can’t stand the fuckers.

  201. 201.

    Thymezone

    August 28, 2011 at 12:38 am

    I wonder if I can set myself on fire by staring as hard into my navel as you do, Doug.

    (grunting noises)

    No, I guess I am flame resistant. Good luck to you though.

    edit: To be clear, I meant staring as hard into my navel as you stare into yours. Thanks.

  202. 202.

    Chris

    August 28, 2011 at 2:20 am

    @Chet:

    Don’t forget the ones who don’t actually know (or give a shit) whether or not Jesus or God or Heaven or Hell actually exist, but support more public affirmation of Christianity anyway because it’s the foundation of our glorious Western White Anglo Saxon culture, or something. I actually have more contempt for those assholes than I do for the honest fundies.

    Yeah, I’ve read/seen atheist or agnostic Republicans who do this (Bill Whittle at PJMedia for one). But the honest fundies love that stuff, IMO. As long as you genuflect appropriately before Christianity and recognize its vast superiority over all its competitors (preferably with a long tirade about how Islam sucks, these days), they’re okay with you.

  203. 203.

    Samara Morgan

    August 28, 2011 at 11:09 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: but, you see….its Protestant America that has caused the Doom That to Sarnath. The 11 trillion dollar attempt to push missionary democracy on the rest of the world is what put America into decline of empire mode.

    @Chris:
    Scaremongering is really the only defense the West has against al-Islam. the “killer app” of proselytizing doesnt work on muslims.
    see Iraq, A-stan, and the Epic Fail of the Manifest Destiny of Judeoxian Democracy in MENA.

    i think Whittle is a pagan, ekshually. his original screen name was Proteus.
    he is basically a shapeshifter of bad intent.

    after that Cyrene thus addressed him: “There is an old prophet named Proteus, who dwells in the sea and is a favourite of Neptune, whose herd of sea-calves he pastures. We nymphs hold him in great respect, for he is a learned sage and knows all things, past, present, and to come. He can tell you, my son, the cause of the mortality among your bees and how you may remedy it. But he will not do it voluntarily, however you may entreat him. You must compel him by force. If you seize him and chain him, he will answer your questions in order to get released, for he cannot by all his arts get away if you hold fast the chains. I will carry you to his cave, where he comes at noon to take his midday repose. Then you may easily secure him. But when he finds himself captured, his resort is to a power he possesses of changing himself into various forms. He will become a wild boar or a fierce tiger, a scaly dragon or lion with yellow mane. Or be will make a noise like the crackling of flames or the rush of water, so as to tempt you to let go the chain, when he will make his escape. But you have only to keep him fast bound, and at last when he finds all his arts unavailing, he will return to his own figure and obey your commands.” So saying she sprinkled her son with fragrant nectar, the beverage of the gods, and immediately an unusual vigour filled his frame, and courage his heart, while perfume breathed all around him.

  204. 204.

    Samara Morgan

    August 28, 2011 at 11:16 am

    @Chris: i relly liked Whittle much better in this than in his current Pajamas Media skinwalk.

  205. 205.

    Samara Morgan

    August 28, 2011 at 11:20 am

    @Chet: are you the chet from the american scene, aka TAS, the Glibertarian Hivemind?

  206. 206.

    Samara Morgan

    August 28, 2011 at 11:25 am

    @suzanne:

    Your lack of humility

    aaaaaaannnnnnd…suzanne nails it! it is my nafs that will keep me from faana.

    i love how all these nominal xian/agnostic/atheists that have never read a word of the Quran try to tell me i dont know anything about Islam.
    ya-haqq!

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