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Republican debate thread

by DougJ|  September 22, 201110:13 pm| 122 Comments

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Got in late…what’s been going on?

10:08 How many hitchhikers are buried under the porch of that video question guy from Troy, Ohio?

10:10 Gary Johnson is not telegenic.

10:13 Santorum just pwned George Hamilton Beefheart, at least in the eyes of the lunatics in the crowd.

10:15 “Any kind of sexual activity has no place in the military”.

10:17 Are there really people who find Megyn Kelly attractive?

10:31 Perry may be too much of an idiot, even for this crowd.

10:40 “We place our hands on our heart during the national anthem. No other people on the earth do that.” I think that’s just too over the top, not believable, coming from a Harvard MBA.

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  1. 1.

    Loneoak

    September 22, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Can we keep this thread secret from moco loco?

  2. 2.

    Raven (formerly stuckinred)

    September 22, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    Dawg we have been so worried about you!

  3. 3.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    September 22, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    I was starting to worry about you. Omnes suggested it was an attack of good sense, but I knew that could never happen to you.

    @Loneoak: If only. I see you’re a hoper, too.

  4. 4.

    gogol's wife

    September 22, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    @Loneoak:

    Oops, I announced it in her thread. That was stupid, I guess.

  5. 5.

    Marginalized for stating documented facts

    September 22, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    Newt Gingrich said that in order to get unemployment benefits, people should be forced to work for free.

    We tried that. It was called ‘slavery.’ If memory serves, we fought a civil war of over it…

  6. 6.

    beltane

    September 22, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    How many more of these debates will they be having? I don’t remember there being this many debates back in 2007.

  7. 7.

    gogol's wife

    September 22, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    I liked the idea someone had that he was lying on John Cole’s rug, actively shedding.

  8. 8.

    Raven (formerly stuckinred)

    September 22, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    Booing an active duty trooper in a combat zone. Motherfucking punks.

  9. 9.

    Samara Morgan

    September 22, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    @gogol’s wife: that was Coles thread not mine.
    He caved.
    he is twitting the debate now.

  10. 10.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    September 22, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    @gogol’s wife: That was quite the image.
    @gogol’s wife: And why do you hate us?

    @Raven (formerly stuckinred): Fuck all those punks with heated, rusty pitchforks. How many do you think actually served, anywhere, much less in combat?

  11. 11.

    beltane

    September 22, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    @Marginalized for stating documented facts: When has Newt ever done an honest day’s work? When has any of these assholes worked a real job? From the looks of it, Newt could stand to do a little hard labor under a blistering hot sun.

  12. 12.

    Raven (formerly stuckinred)

    September 22, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    @beltane: It’s hard work bangin your trollop while your wife dies.

  13. 13.

    Samara Morgan

    September 22, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    LOL

    allahpundit Allah Pundit
    The Dow lost close to a thousand points this week, right? Oh well. Back to Gardasil. #debate
    4 minutes ago

    meanwhile back on wall street

  14. 14.

    Raven (formerly stuckinred)

    September 22, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Did you see the trooper? I’d like to see them boo him in person.

  15. 15.

    beltane

    September 22, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Old, impotent, wingnut men with ugly wives find Megyn Kelly attractive, but not as attractive as their urologists’ nurse-assistants.

  16. 16.

    Elizabelle

    September 22, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Goodie. Millionaire and cancer survivor Herman Cain trusts an insurance beancounter over a govt bureaucrat.

    OK.

  17. 17.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 22, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    @beltane: Sick, but funny.

  18. 18.

    Judas Escargot

    September 22, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    Had the urge to run an anagrams program on “Fox Google”. My favorites: Ogle Fox Go. Ego Fox Log. Ex Golf Goo. Ex Goof Log. Ex Fog Logo.

  19. 19.

    Raven (formerly stuckinred)

    September 22, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    @beltane: God, I had emergency surgery on an awful place and the nurse-assistant was beautiful. It didn’t help.

  20. 20.

    lamh34

    September 22, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    so wait, shouldn’t a candidate for presidency be able to understand the differences between Medicaid and Medicare…cause surprise surprise, Perry don’t seem to get the difference

  21. 21.

    PaulW

    September 22, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    10:15 “Any kind of sexual activity has no place in the military”.

    …the Republicans are now recommending eunuch troops.

    Honestly. How the f-ck can anyone vote for these jokers?

  22. 22.

    Raven (formerly stuckinred)

    September 22, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    perry is a fucking idiot

  23. 23.

    BDeevDad

    September 22, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Did anyone say the crowd was wrong to boo?

  24. 24.

    BDeevDad

    September 22, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Did anyone say the crowd was wrong to boo?

  25. 25.

    ChrisNYC

    September 22, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Is Perry drunk or is it low blood sugar?

  26. 26.

    Raven (formerly stuckinred)

    September 22, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    @BDeevDad: fuckin a

  27. 27.

    me

    September 22, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    I just turned it on and Perry is stumbling over his words. He sounds drunk.

  28. 28.

    PaulW

    September 22, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    10:31 Perry may be too much of an idiot, even for this crowd.

    They’re hosting this in Orlando, right?

    That, honestly, takes some doing. (zing!)

  29. 29.

    Martin

    September 22, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    @lamh34: He should, his budget pays for half of one of those, and not half of the other.

  30. 30.

    lamh34

    September 22, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    booing a soldier on active duty is despicable…but what’s worse, FoxNews guardians of American patriotism didn’t attemnpt to “chastise” the crowd.

    Not unexpected, just shameful

  31. 31.

    elmertfudd

    September 22, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Rick Perry lost NC with this. How does he know what roadkill tastes like anyway?

  32. 32.

    rikyrah

    September 22, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    they continue to be disgusting.

    this was someone who chose to PUT THEIR LIFE ON THE LINE IN SERVICE TO THIS COUNTRY AND THEY HAVE THE NERVE TO BOO THEM?

    FUCK THEM , THE HORSE THEY RODE IN ON , AND THAT VERMIN ON STAGE WHO WAS TOO GUTLESS TO TELL THOSE CLOWNS TO STFU AND RESPECT THE UNIFORM.

  33. 33.

    Samara Morgan

    September 22, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    @ChrisNYC:

    allahpundit Allah Pundit
    RT @Heminator: I think Rick Perry just had a stroke.
    4 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

  34. 34.

    Elizabelle

    September 22, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    They’re so disingenuous about healthcare.

    Sickening.

  35. 35.

    Cain

    September 22, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    I wonder if Choi is watching.. maybe he understands what the hell the opposition stands for now.

  36. 36.

    Samara Morgan

    September 22, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    hmmm

    murphymike mike murphy by allahpundit
    Note to Dave Carney. This was supposed to be the comeback debate. Does the Perry campaign even try debate prep?
    5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    wow, he agrees with Cole.
    eureka! we ARE all just the same.

  37. 37.

    me

    September 22, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    10:40 “We place our hands on our heart during the national anthem. No other people on the earth do that.”

    …and we generally didn’t until World War II.

  38. 38.

    AliceBlue

    September 22, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    Booing an active duty soldier, cheering executions and uninsured people dying. Can you imagine what their convention is going to be like? It’s people like these that are going to be the delegates.

    When I was growing up, we put our hands over our hearts for the pledge. I don’t remember doing that for the national anthem.

  39. 39.

    Violet

    September 22, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    Sounds like Perry is this year’s Giuliani: A noun, a verb and Texas.

  40. 40.

    Spaghetti Lee

    September 22, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    These debates have just been mindblowing. First the cheering the record number of executions, then the “let him die” moment, and now booing an active duty soldier. It’s like, this is it. This is the Republican Id, laid bare for the world like a desiccated corpse. All you moderates out there watching the debate, is this what you’re going to vote for?

  41. 41.

    Elizabelle

    September 22, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    I missed the booing a soldier. (Happily.)

    What was that all about? (switched off debate and happily chilling)

  42. 42.

    FlipYrWhig

    September 22, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    @AliceBlue:

    Can you imagine what their convention is going to be like?

    Seriously. The notorious Buchanan ’96 culture-war speech is going to seem like “My Little Pony on Ice.”

  43. 43.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    September 22, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    @Spaghetti Lee: The key question may be whether moderates are watching at this point, or only those of us who are political junkies.

  44. 44.

    Nylund

    September 22, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    @ChrisNYC:

    Perry had back surgery recently. Some people think he’s actually in quite a bit of pain. So, it might be that, or painkillers.

  45. 45.

    Samara Morgan

    September 22, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    @Elizabelle: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/republican-debate-crowd-boos-steven-hill-gay-soldier-serving-in-iraq/

  46. 46.

    Chris

    September 22, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Damn, I’m so glad I’m not watching, and just as glad that I didn’t watch the last two.

    Fuck that party. Seriously. Fuck all of them and fuck every voter whose excuse for a conscience is still far enough down the gutter to let them support these guys.

  47. 47.

    Martin

    September 22, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    @AliceBlue: The proper form for the national anthem is hat in right hand, beer in left, program tucked under left arm, check out the ass of the hot girl 3 rows up while you have the chance.

    Everybody knows this.

  48. 48.

    Warren Terra

    September 22, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    “Any kind of sexual activity has no place in the military”.

    Guess we’ll have to implement that “An Army Of One” slogan from a few years back in ways that I for one never anticipated. Although I guess then the soldiers will get hairy palms and go blind …

  49. 49.

    MikeJ

    September 22, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    10:40 “We place our hands on our heart during the national anthem. No other people on the earth do that.”

    Not all of us do it:

    http://wamo.info/pa/110922_perry.jpg

  50. 50.

    gnomedad

    September 22, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    We place our hands on our heart during the national anthem.

    Which we all know the Kenyan atheist mooslim refuses to do.

  51. 51.

    Samara Morgan

    September 22, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    @Nylund: i prefer the stroke theory.

  52. 52.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    September 22, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    Any kind of sexual activity has no place in the military

    I totally agree, which means that it should not matter what your sexual preference is.

  53. 53.

    Elizabelle

    September 22, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    @Samara Morgan:

    Thank you.

    How callous.

  54. 54.

    JGabriel

    September 22, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    @rikyrah:

    this was someone who chose to PUT THEIR LIFE ON THE LINE IN SERVICE TO THIS COUNTRY AND THEY HAVE THE NERVE TO BOO THEM?
    __
    FUCK THEM , THE HORSE THEY RODE IN ON , AND THAT VERMIN ON STAGE WHO WAS TOO GUTLESS TO TELL THOSE CLOWNS TO STFU AND RESPECT THE UNIFORM.

    Seconded.

    Instead of describing himself as a gay soldier, I wish the guy had said he was a gay American serving in Iraq for the defense of our country, cause I’d like to hear them boo that.

    Fucking disgusting.

    .

  55. 55.

    Jenny

    September 22, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    @ChrisNYC:

    Is Perry drunk or is it low blood sugar?

    low I.Q.

  56. 56.

    Warren Terra

    September 22, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    10:17 Are there really people who find Megyn Kelly attractive?

    I seem to recall that Oliver Willis was kinda fascinated by her appearance, albeit that he bore no illusions about the quality of her character.

  57. 57.

    SteveinSC

    September 22, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    @elmertfudd:

    Rick Perry lost NC with this.

    More proof that Perry is an idiot. As a native South Carolinian, Eastern North Carolina bbq beats the hell out of this sugar-pie goo these people in this part of SC eat. It’s worse in Charleston, it is so bad I spit it out and threw the rest away. Parker’s or Bill’s in Wilson rules. I missed it when the clown car drove up, but it’s been an hilarious debate nonetheless. If Perry knows what road kill tastes like, maybe he knows what a santorum tastes like.

  58. 58.

    Helen

    September 22, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    @Belafon (formerly anonevent): Yeah – they are confusing “sexual activity” with “sexual preference”

  59. 59.

    JGabriel

    September 22, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Santorum via Belafon (formerly anonevent):

    Any kind of sexual activity has no place in the military

    The head of every Republican watching this debate simultaneously turned to glance guiltily at their collection of military shower orgy porn.

    .

  60. 60.

    Warren Terra

    September 22, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    10:40 “We place our hands on our heart during the national anthem. No other people on the earth do that.”

    To this crowd, that means that no-one else puts their hands on their hearts for our national anthem.

  61. 61.

    Samara Morgan

    September 22, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    AllahP’s twitter stream is pretty hilarious. the best and possibly last chance the teabagger GOP will have to take the WH for next 40 years, and their candidates are unelectable insane anger clowns.
    all of them.

  62. 62.

    Mike in NC

    September 22, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    @elmertfudd:

    Rick Perry lost NC with this. How does he know what roadkill tastes like anyway?

    I saw my share of dead armadillos by the side of the highway while crossing Texas. Pretty sure Perry has eaten one.

  63. 63.

    RareSanity

    September 22, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    I forgot this was happening tonight, turned to it while they were wrapping up…couldn’t figure out if a Presidential Debate or ESPN Game Day was ending.

  64. 64.

    rikyrah

    September 22, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    @Violet:

    ok, that’s going to be taken..

  65. 65.

    Calouste

    September 22, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    10:15 “Any kind of sexual activity has no place in the military”.

    Would be interesting to hear the reaction of John McCain to that.

  66. 66.

    ChrisNYC

    September 22, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    Josh Marshall on Santorum’s DADT ramble:

    “I think he also said gays and straights should stay in the closet.”

  67. 67.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 22, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    10:15 “Any kind of sexual activity has no place in the military”.

    A general in Korea once remarked, in response to the concern of some fundie religious type visitors over the “immorality” of the troops, that “if soldiers won’t fuck, they won’t fight”.

    I’m afraid that soldiers WILL engage in sexual activity…obviously not on duty, but off duty, and it’s really not the business of broomstick up the ass Rethuglican asstards that they do so.

  68. 68.

    scav

    September 22, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Ok, so if there’s a single island nation somewhere that hops on one foot while listening to their national anthem and they’re the only nation in the world that does that, it makes it deeply meaningful? Crap, when Cheney and this lot put their hand on their hearts, it’s merely to check they still have a pulse because there’s certainly no other evidence they in fact have a heart.

  69. 69.

    Jenny

    September 22, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    Village elites on MSNBC defending Romney.

    Hilarious.

    They don’t seem to get the Teabaggers don’t care about policy and logic, that they reveal in being anti-intellectual.

  70. 70.

    Elizabelle

    September 22, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    Listening to Santorum’s answer about ending DADT as “social experimentation in the military”:

    Couldn’t that also be said about Harry S Truman’s integrating the armed forces by executive order?

    That worked out pretty well.

    Anyone who is not afraid of teh gay sees yet another reason Santorum is a fool.

    =====

    Suspect it’s political junkies watching these debates. (Too many clowns on the stage, still.)

    But they won’t play well with “moderates.”

  71. 71.

    Samara Morgan

    September 22, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    LOL!

    EdMorrissey Baier: You called Perry unelectable. Romney: Hell, we’re ALL unelectable. #huh?
    15 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

    do you know what this says to me? the conservative base does not understand the twitter machine.

  72. 72.

    scav

    September 22, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    Oh, and I think a shitload of military spouses might have something to say about no sexual activity while in the military. Still, might save a few bucks on family housing I guess.

  73. 73.

    Elizabelle

    September 22, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    @Jenny:

    Which village elites?

  74. 74.

    magurakurin

    September 22, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    @Helen: Well, no, not really. Santorum is pretty obviously gay, but he won’t come out even to himself. So, his life is most likely “no sexual activity,”otherwise he would have to “commit sins against god and nature,” by, well, being himself.

    And I would hope that not only Choi, but the entire, “let’s let Perry win to teach (somebody) a lesson” crowd is watching, too. Maybe then they would understand the concern over their bleatings about not voting or voting for (insert: third party nobody). But I’m sure they aren’t. They are in their various echo chamber blog comment sections talking about what a dick Obama is and giving each other virtual high fives everytime one of them calls him “Barry” or whatever other juvenile name is cool at the moment.

    seriously though with the people on that crowd it is full on ¡No Pasarán!

  75. 75.

    Walker

    September 22, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    @SteveinSC:

    I am an Eastern Carolinian and I own Holy Smoke, so I had read this story. In fact, I grew up in Kinston, which is where Kings is (the BBQ joint he insulted). I was in scouts with the Kings kids.

    I also lived in Texas for five years and I can definitively say Texas pulled pork tastes like ass. They may know how to cook beef brisket, but no one in that state has any clue what to do with a pig.

  76. 76.

    chrome agnomen

    September 22, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    @Mike in NC:

    that was a cornadillo.

  77. 77.

    Jenny

    September 22, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    @Elizabelle: A HuffPo beat reporter, Lawrence O’Donnell, and Howard Fineman.

  78. 78.

    TooManyJens

    September 22, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    @lamh34:

    booing a soldier on active duty is despicable…but what’s worse, FoxNews guardians of American patriotism didn’t attemnpt to “chastise” the crowd.

    What’s slightly amazing to me is that this is the third debate in a row where the crowd has done something ugly, but nobody seems to be prepared for the possibility.

  79. 79.

    Chris

    September 22, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    I had a very serious urge to pound his fucking face to a pulp when he started on the “privileges” routine. Apparently, having the right to mention your sexuality without being fired on the spot (like, you know, the way it works for straight people) is considered a “privilege.” Who entitled you to have the same rights as us, dude?

  80. 80.

    lacp

    September 22, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    I put my hand on my dick during the national anthem. Nobody else in the stadium does that. They just look at me all weird.

  81. 81.

    Elizabelle

    September 22, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    @Jenny:

    Thank you. (No cable.)

  82. 82.

    Jenny

    September 22, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    10:31 Perry may be too much of an idiot, even for this crowd.

    Oh please, this is the same crowd that loved that idiot Palin in 2008.

  83. 83.

    Elizabelle

    September 22, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    @TooManyJens:

    So true.

    And the booing the gay solider — serving in Iraq, tonight — will go over real well with the general public.

  84. 84.

    amk

    September 22, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    All the rethug candidates and their nucking fut base has complete contempt for the GI joe and yet he votes consistently republican. A match made for each other, I guess.

  85. 85.

    Uncle Clarence Thomas

    September 22, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    .
    .

    “We place our hands on our heart during the national anthem.”

    Damn straight, DoogieJ, except I place my hand over Ginni’s heart. It’s just a coincidence that there’s a big white tittie in the way.
    .
    .

  86. 86.

    handsmile

    September 22, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    @Walker: (#75)

    And you know what ass tastes like, how? Remember, “any kind of sexual activity has no place” on a BJ thread.

  87. 87.

    Rhoda

    September 22, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    I’ll just say again; this is the third disastrous debate for Perry and yet he’s still #1 in the polls. And as bad as the delivery was on the attack on Romney; he made the attack. The illegal immigration thing is the only issue he has; and I think in an air war Romeny has the same problems with health care PLUS far more flip-flopping material.

    These debates don’t happen in a vacuum.

    Romney has a serious problem everywhere but New Hampshire; and he’s got to worry about Huntsman starting to gain traction and splitting the vote with him there too.

    We’ll see what happens in the polls after this; but I’m betting Perry will still lead.

  88. 88.

    Gromit

    September 22, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    @Walker:

    I am an Eastern Carolinian and I own Holy Smoke, so I had read this story. In fact, I grew up in Kinston, which is where Kings is (the BBQ joint he insulted). I was in scouts with the Kings kids.

    Hey, I grew up next door in Pitt County. I’m a borderline vegetarian now, and even I bristle at this. If anyone can dig up any quotes of him insulting our cornbread, it is over.

  89. 89.

    Tom Levenson

    September 22, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    @Walker: There is so much temptation in this comment that I better just shut up now before I make things worse. Much worse.

    (…snickers some more.)

  90. 90.

    Helen

    September 22, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    @Rhoda: YAY cuz here’s my thoughts. If this country is so goddamn stupid to elect Perry over Obama; I am soooo outta here (got myself some Irish citizenship). Really, you idiots? Really?

  91. 91.

    Gromit

    September 22, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    DougJ:

    Are there really people who find Megyn Kelly attractive?

    Sorry, you lost me here. She may not have a conscience, but last I checked, she is smokin’.

  92. 92.

    Gromit

    September 22, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    @Helen:

    YAY cuz here’s my thoughts. If this country is so goddamn stupid to elect Perry over Obama; I am soooo outta here (got myself some Irish citizenship). Really, you idiots? Really?

    Bit early for that, don’t you think? He isn’t even nominated yet.

  93. 93.

    Helen

    September 22, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    @Gromit: Responded to the statement from Rhonda that Perry will “still Lead”

  94. 94.

    Chris

    September 22, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    @Helen:

    I’ve got French citizenship and could probably do that too. But fuck if I’m going to get driven out of my own country by a bunch of secession-idolizing dipshits like the Perry fan club, no matter how many votes they get. (I can be stubborn too).

  95. 95.

    Cris (without an H)

    September 22, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    @Warren Terra: It’s pretty easy to arouse Oliver Willis.

  96. 96.

    namekarB

    September 22, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    @lacp:

    Amen. And after a 12 month slog in the Central Highlands of Viet Nam I quit pledging allegiance to a friggin flag. My tribe is better than your tribe BS. I am however, thankful that I can still make those statements without being shot. Yet. But not if the Reich Wing has their way.

  97. 97.

    suzanne

    September 22, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    @namekarB:

    And after a 12 month slog in the Central Highlands of Viet Nam I quit pledging allegiance to a friggin flag.

    I haven’t pledged allegiance in almost 20 years. I stand with my hand over my heart, because I wish we truly did have liberty and justice for all, but until that happens, I’ll stand silently.

  98. 98.

    lightning

    September 22, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    @walker

    … but no one in that state has any clue what to do with a pig.

    You owe me a new keyboard. You also win a shiny new Internet.

  99. 99.

    Helen

    September 22, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    @Chris: I get it. But here’s the thing. I am the child of an immigrant (my Irish mom)and a working class dad. I have worked myself up to be an ivy league masters degree graduate(first in my family to get a college degree; any college degree). I live in NYC and pay boatloads of taxes. And that is OK. I am more than willing to help others. But I love Ireland. It is one of the few places on earth where i am most comfortable in my skin. So; I dunno. BUT I Love Paris!! When I first went there in 1993 I thought “how great can it be? I’m a NY’er? Oh yeah, Mr. French; Paris is cool!”

  100. 100.

    Anne Laurie

    September 22, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    @TooManyJens:

    What’s slightly amazing to me is that this is the third debate in a row where the crowd has done something ugly, but nobody seems to be prepared for the possibility.

    Prepared? Heck, I assumed the Fauxster Gang were hoping for just this kind of lizard-brain tribalism in action! Death to Those Guys Not Us works even better than Yay Us We Rule when you’re ginning up a mob, which is how Faux understands their voting demographic.

  101. 101.

    Shamefully anonymous

    September 23, 2011 at 12:02 am

    @Gromit: Co-sign. She could hardly be any hotter, nor could be any more of an ugly person at the very same time. It’s like watching a beautiful, heartless witch in a fairy tale.

  102. 102.

    hells littlest angel

    September 23, 2011 at 12:11 am

    I find Megyn Kelly mildly attractive until she opens her mouth. There’s nothing hot about a fucking moron.

  103. 103.

    hells littlest angel

    September 23, 2011 at 12:13 am

    … but no one in that state has any clue what to do with a pig.

    In recent years, they’ve been making them governors.

  104. 104.

    Kilkee

    September 23, 2011 at 12:14 am

    @Gromit: It’s sort of a slow process. I expect my passport just about in time for the 11/12 vote count, so I should be fine.

  105. 105.

    Short Bus Bully

    September 23, 2011 at 12:22 am

    @hells littlest angel:
    Nice.

  106. 106.

    Helen

    September 23, 2011 at 12:43 am

    @hells littlest angel: I am a straight girl and I think she is hot and agree with your assessment. However, all the girls here will aggree with this question: Where did she get her eyelashes? Cuz I want me some.

  107. 107.

    hells littlest angel

    September 23, 2011 at 12:53 am

    @Helen: I believe Fox News’ benefits package includes a supply of various body parts harvested from Central American orphans.

  108. 108.

    Monkey Business

    September 23, 2011 at 1:01 am

    I watch these debates, and I can’t help but think that the crap that has gone on for three straight debates isn’t penetrating the low information fog that apparently millions of voters live in.

    In this day and age, how can you be a low information voter? Once upon a time, you had to work to figure out what a candidate was for or against. Participating in Democracy required actual effort, and people did it anyway, because it was important.

    Now, we have access to different news sources from all over the world. You can see what the entire political spectrum thinks, from the most conservative Republican to the most liberal Democrat. More importantly, there is an army of people out there that can tell you what it all means, it whatever way you digest information.

    And yet, there are still people in this country that will have no idea who they’re voting for until the beginning of November in 2012. They won’t watch a debate. They won’t watch or read the news. They won’t participate in any meaningful way in the Democratic process, other than to cast a vote for whichever candidate has the best hair or sounds the most like them.

    I am a relentless optimist, but I just don’t get how you fight or fix this. It’s not a messaging problem. It’s a profound and fundamental failure of our educational system, the media, and our political system.

  109. 109.

    Helen

    September 23, 2011 at 1:14 am

    @Monkey Business: Yes yes and yes. I have been fighting with a cousin of mine (whom I love) for years. She does not have a clue what is going on and voted or Bush cuz her husband told her to. Her son just joined the army to get the educational benefits. She had NO IDEA that there used to be a draft. And we are close to 50yrs old. We are not 20. She just stupidly said “We should get out of the Middle East” and I said “where is the Middle East?” She had no idea. She is typical of Americans. Unfortunately.

  110. 110.

    Elie

    September 23, 2011 at 2:05 am

    @Monkey Business:

    Americans have been in a protected bubble of wealth and success for the last half century. Yeah, not everyone got a taste, but the conventional wisdom that we were “the greatest” permeated most belief systems.

    The reality is that we have become the Galapagos Islands in some ways… rare creatures cut off from the rest of the world and evolving singular, strange traits and relationships to reality bred of isolation. This is going away and lost of people know it and are real real scared.

    The change is relentless, and we are just at the beginning. Just wait. Some of us will survive and others won’t but this bullshit we just watched is going to be archived in the Smithsonian along with old time photos of white folks singing in black face or whalebone corsets — odd curiosities — no one will remember these people and their odd points of view.

    Unfortunately, we have hard times ahead to get past this. I hope not all our good people leave here during the sorting out. Its not going to be that much better anywhere else. The whole world is in a big resorting.

  111. 111.

    James E. Powell

    September 23, 2011 at 2:08 am

    @Monkey Business:

    I watch these debates, and I can’t help but think that the crap that has gone on for three straight debates isn’t penetrating the low information fog that apparently millions of voters live in.

    If we ranked all Americans over the age of 18 based on the degree to which they pay attention to politics, the fact that you knew that there was a debate tonight would put you in the top 2%.

    While they do not pay any attention to the debates, they do pick up the chatter after the debates. If anything major happens, they will hear about it and may remember it later.

    That is why it is a mistake to think that anything they say now, no matter how outrageous, will have any affect on them in the general election.

  112. 112.

    Kathleen

    September 23, 2011 at 5:12 am

    @hells littlest angel:And warm blood from cute puppies for nightly transfusions

  113. 113.

    EconWatcher

    September 23, 2011 at 6:56 am

    @Elie:

    This is very well said. And very true.

  114. 114.

    SRW1

    September 23, 2011 at 7:11 am

    @Tom Levenson:

    The bit about not knowing what to do with a pig was really tempting, wasn’t it?

  115. 115.

    Paul in KY

    September 23, 2011 at 8:08 am

    @Villago Delenda Est: Back in the 1980s at Osan AFB (S. Korea), there was a massage parlor on base right beside the gym. This was the kind where the girls wear smocks that are very wrinkled from their waist to the hem.

    On a U.S. Air Force base. Probably not there anymore.

  116. 116.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    September 23, 2011 at 8:09 am

    @SRW1:

    I know I had trouble passing on it but somehow I did. I’ll double up on my next cheap shot at Texas next time.

  117. 117.

    Paul in KY

    September 23, 2011 at 8:12 am

    @Walker: I’ve ate at Kings many times on my way to Atlantic Beach. People who run it are very friendly. Food is good & not expensive. I don’t think it is super great though.

  118. 118.

    Paul in KY

    September 23, 2011 at 8:15 am

    @Uncle Clarence Thomas: That might be the truest thing you’ve ever said here.

    Edit: I do wish you would get rid of those stupid periods.

  119. 119.

    Surly Duff

    September 23, 2011 at 8:34 am

    @SRW1:
    Too much of a softball though; too easy to swing away at that one.

  120. 120.

    Glen Tomkins

    September 23, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Tell that to the Marines

    “Any kind of sexual activity has no place in the military”.

    He actually has something of a point, in the sense that the military has, within living memory, at least enabled and facilitated, and often encouraged, heterosexual prostitution. They used to have “steam and cream” services available at AAFES outlets in Korea until Patsy Schroeder found out about them, after which guys had to go off-base for such services.

    At least in Korea, it was “merely” exploitative, not actively self-destructive, because Korea had a very good STD surveillance program for its service workers. But, at least while I was still there, we could never get the commander of this annual exercise in Thailand to end the customary practice of granting 24-48 hours of liberty/shore leave to participants at the end of the exercise. The problem was that the liberty was granted in a town that had only two things on offer, street food and street sex. The former was likely to give soldiers dysentery, and the service workers in the latter had tested out at >70% HIV+. But liberty in that town could not be ended because the participation of some of the units in the exercise was contingent on being allowed to party down in that HIV hell-hole. Woohoo! The last year I was there, we were even able to produce the figures on the bump in new HIV among participants at last year’s exercise, and still no cancellation of that year’s festivities. And that was in the era when HIV+ was still a death sentence.

    It goes without saying that the same leadership that approved liberty in HIVville was, at that very time, engaged in protecting the white virginity of the armed services from the horrors of overt homosexualization.

  121. 121.

    A Farmer

    September 23, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    It took me a while to find the video question from Troy, Ohio but I know that guy. Well, I know who he is. Hopefully no bodies are under the porch.

  122. 122.

    Civics, How Does It Work?

    September 23, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    @AliceBlue:

    That’s correct, you put your hand over your heart to recite the Pledge, and you stand and remove your hat, if any, for the Anthem. Apparently no one takes basic Civics in school anymore. Also, wearing the flag as clothing is desecrating it, you idiots. I see people “patriotically” engaging in improper flag etiquette constantly and it annoys the shiat out of me.

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