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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2012 / Profiles in Courage

Profiles in Courage

by $8 blue check mistermix|  September 24, 20118:42 am| 38 Comments

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Santorum denouces the boos for a gay soldier, as do Huntsman and Gary Johnson. Romney and Perry are both relying on brave “no comments”.

However, as DougJ noted, Jane Fonda went to Hanoi so none of this counts.

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  1. 1.

    Rick Massimo

    September 24, 2011 at 8:47 am

    Yeah, it’s awesome that they only took 24 hours of consultation with their advisors to decide that booing soldiers was a bad thing and to say so a day after their nationally televised chance to do so.

    Really, that makes them just as brave as any of our soldiers in the field, don’t you think? It’s basically the same thing.

  2. 2.

    John Weiss

    September 24, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Disgusting. So, what else is new?

  3. 3.

    honus

    September 24, 2011 at 8:53 am

    If you want to see wingnut chicken hawk anguish, point out that Jane, unlike many of her critics, at least went to Vietnam.

  4. 4.

    harlana

    September 24, 2011 at 9:28 am

    killing innocent people or letting them die!
    booing soldiers!
    more ammo for the GE!
    bring it!

  5. 5.

    Linda Featheringill

    September 24, 2011 at 9:33 am

    If those candidates were as righteous as they purport to be, they would stand up to the mob and at least try to lead to a place with more brotherly love.

    On the other hand, I don’t think that Perry ever pretended that he was a goody-two-shoes. So there’s that.

  6. 6.

    Chris

    September 24, 2011 at 9:39 am

    @Rick Massimo:

    This.

    Like I just posted over there –

    1) He heard the boos. It’s “dog ate my homework!” level fucking bullshit when he says different.
    2) It took him over a day to realize that oh jeez, I guess I better distance myself, or people might talk? Ain’t that nice.
    3) He was the one who gave that response basically telling the soldier to get back in the closet, which was wildly cheered by the booers and almost as sick as the booing itself.

    Nope, no breaks from over here.

  7. 7.

    Ben Cisco

    September 24, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Moar debates plz.
    __
    Not that I’m going to bother watching any of them, but from an anthropological standpoint, I just want to see if they will literally start flinging their own poo before the end.

  8. 8.

    gnomedad

    September 24, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Romney and Perry are both relying on brave “no comments”.

    Well, they’re the front-runners. Can’t upset the base.

  9. 9.

    Amir Khalid

    September 24, 2011 at 10:08 am

    The spirit of Brave Sir Robin lives on in these worthy people.

  10. 10.

    Mino

    September 24, 2011 at 10:14 am

    @Amir Khalid: Monty Python: a reference for every occasion.

  11. 11.

    Corner Stone

    September 24, 2011 at 10:14 am

    @Amir Khalid: I apologize to you for my comment in the other thread.

  12. 12.

    Mino

    September 24, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Well, the Republican debates in 2008 were just about as bad.

    Bomb Iran! Torture builds character! 9-11, 9-11 etc., etc.

    If the American public at large just watched these things, many, many would be appalled. I hope You-tube helps expose them more widely.

  13. 13.

    AdamK

    September 24, 2011 at 10:23 am

    To be fair to poor Santorum, he says he didn’t HEAR the boos. He obviously suffers from a profound untreated hearing loss. Let’s pray that Jesus heals his ears before he takes the oath of office.

    ETA: Or maybe he had something in his ears. Some gooey, frothy mix of substances, perhaps.

  14. 14.

    arguingwithsignposts

    September 24, 2011 at 10:24 am

    @Mino: 2008: Obama – 52.9 percent, McCain 45.7 percent

    Despite “Bomb Iran” and Snowbilly Snooki and numerous other deficiencies in the McCain campaign. The question is not whether “many” would be appalled, but whether “most” would be appalled enough to vote against these troglodytes.

  15. 15.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    September 24, 2011 at 10:33 am

    You know, we have to let the 60s die as well. Point being, stop thinking for them. Don’t end their deeds with “both sides do it” even if it is sarcasm.

  16. 16.

    Ash Can

    September 24, 2011 at 10:34 am

    @Ben Cisco:

    Moar debates plz.

    This. The more the better. Weekly, if not daily. Hammer it into people’s heads just who and what the Republicans have become.

  17. 17.

    Southern Beale

    September 24, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Rep. Joe Walsh basically calls Obama an affirmative-action president with this piece of douchehattery:

    Rep. Joe Walsh (R-Ill.) said the media protect President Obama and will work to get him reelected because he is black.
    __
    “This guy pushed every one of the media’s buttons,” Walsh said in an interview with the Media Research Center. “He was liberal, he was different, he was new, he was black. Oh my God, it was the potpourri of everything.”
    __
    Walsh was responding to a question from Media Research Center President Brent Bozell about the “race warfare games” of the Obama administration.

    Whaaaah! It’s so UNFAIR that Walsh and Bozell are WHITE! Why does God hate them? Why is the white man so oppressssssssed?! WHAAH!

    But Morgan Freeman called the Tea Party racist so … both sides do it!

  18. 18.

    Wag

    September 24, 2011 at 10:40 am

    There was a pretty good piece about GOP lies from the debate on NPR this morning, but the brief musical interlude that followed was priceless it was the synth line from New Order’s song “Your Silent Face” that precedes the lines “a thought that never changes remains a stupid lie, It’s never been just the same.”

    I smiled when I heard it n

  19. 19.

    Mino

    September 24, 2011 at 10:41 am

    @Southern Beale: He’s trying to keep his job so he can pay his back child support, if that’s the guy I’m thinking it is.

  20. 20.

    arguingwithsignposts

    September 24, 2011 at 10:43 am

    @Mino:

    He’s trying to keep his job and he won’t he can pay his back child support, if that’s the guy I’m thinking it is.

    FTFY. That’s the guy you’re thinking about. The guy who basically told a judge he’s a congressman so he doesn’t have to show up for a court date.

  21. 21.

    ppcli

    September 24, 2011 at 11:02 am

    @Chris: Absolutely. One might add that boos or no, in the moment, Santorum didn’t even bother with the rote “Thank you for your service.” remark that is part of the standard GOP style manual. As I posted there a few lines down:

    Agree with the Chris’s comment above. But I will add: why aren’t the media commenting on the idiocy of his response. Not the immorality of it – that’s evident – but the sheer stupidity. We had a rule that says a) you mustn’t tell people you are gay. b) if you are determined to be gay you will be tossed out of the army, with a less-than-honorable discharge. Straight soldiers face no such restriction. According to Santorum, that is a situation where all soldiers have equal rights. *Removing that rule* so that neither gays nor straights are thus gagged, and neither straights nor gays get thrown out for their orientation, counts as “special rights for gays”.

    How can you react to that in any way except “What???? Are we also to conclude that Jim Crow represented a state of equal rights for all, and removing Jim Crow laws so that everyone could use the same water fountains, etc. was giving “special rights to blacks”?

    Also I’ll note what yet another poster over there observed: It wasn’t just that outrage was building in the (ahem) “ultra-liberal media” but at NRO, Christian Post, from Ari Fleischer, etc. No doubt Santorum heard from his handlers that this could cost him money and lobbying jobs if it wasn’t defused pronto.

  22. 22.

    Ash Can

    September 24, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Joe Walsh is also the lovely and talented individual who declined to show up at the president’s joint session address simply because he didn’t want to go.

  23. 23.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 24, 2011 at 11:51 am

    @ppcli:

    Well, you have to realize with people like Santorum, allowing gays to continue to exist is a “special right”.

  24. 24.

    MAJeff

    September 24, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Removing that rule so that neither gays nor straights are thus gagged, and neither straights nor gays get thrown out for their orientation, counts as “special rights for gays”.
    How can you react to that in any way except “What???? Are we also to conclude that Jim Crow represented a state of equal rights for all, and removing Jim Crow laws so that everyone could use the same water fountains, etc. was giving “special rights to blacks”?

    According to the heterosexist/segregationist mind, yes, those are special rights. When inferior people are treated equal to their superiors, they’re being granted special rights. Santorum believes that gay folk are infrahuman, just as the advocates of Jim Crow believed that blacks were infrahuman. Granting those groups equality is elevating them above their status.

  25. 25.

    JasonF

    September 24, 2011 at 11:59 am

    I recently moved into Joe Walsh’s district. My big regret is that I don’t get to work against him in 2012, since he’s being redistricted out (going forward, I will be in Bob Dold’s district, and I look forward to supporting his Democratic opponent).

  26. 26.

    Jay C

    September 24, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    @ppcli:
    @MAJeff:

    What MAJeff said: and if you think these attitudes are historical relics of another era, or gone from our national conscious, the audience reaction(s) from the various Republican debates this year should disabuse you of that notion, pronto.

  27. 27.

    suzanne

    September 24, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    I still haven’t figured out what the “special privilege” that Santorum mentioned actually IS. Any thoughts?

  28. 28.

    OzoneR

    September 24, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    The question is not whether “many” would be appalled, but whether “most” would be appalled enough to vote against these troglodytes.

    Certainly my family back home and my neighbors there are not appalled by any of these things. They’re appalled that I disagree with them.

  29. 29.

    Mustang Bobby

    September 24, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    Well, even if we gays got “special privileges,” like the right to marry or collect survivor benefits like other married couples, that would only bring us up even with the rest of the straight world. So what’s special about that?

  30. 30.

    OzoneR

    September 24, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    @Mustang Bobby:

    Well, even if we gays got “special rights,” like the right to marry or collect survivor benefits like other married couples, that would only bring us up even with the rest of the straight world. So what’s special about that?

    you’re inferior.

  31. 31.

    Yutsano

    September 24, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    @OzoneR:

    you’re inferior.

    I know you probably meant this in another way, but your wording is atrocious. And for a supposed journalist, that’s appalling.

  32. 32.

    OzoneR

    September 24, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    @Yutsano: um, it’s snark and I work for a bank.

  33. 33.

    Bill Arnold

    September 24, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    @honus:

    If you want to see wingnut chicken hawk anguish, point out that Jane, unlike many of her critics, at least went to Vietnam.

    LOL. Though you have to first make sure you’re not talking to a real Vietnam vet.

  34. 34.

    Triassic Sands

    September 24, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    I’m much more disgusted with Santorum’s answer to the question about DADT than I am with the boos. On the clip I heard, it sounded like only a few boos, nowhere near a significant slice of the total. However, Santorum’s answer was utterly appalling and clearly demonstrated the bigotry and cluelessness for which MoD Santorum is justly well-known.

  35. 35.

    soonergrunt

    September 24, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    @Bill Arnold: It is absolutely amazing the number of wingtards who claim to be veterans who are not, though.
    Guys will regale you of stories of their heroics in combat “there I was…” but don’t know what a DD214 is.

  36. 36.

    russell

    September 24, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Yeah, booing a soldier is freaking ugly so they want to run away from it.

    They’re all happy to ride the big hate machine when it suits them. So fuck them all.

  37. 37.

    Jenny

    September 24, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    test

  38. 38.

    Rick Massimo

    September 24, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    @suzanne: The special privilege of existing in Rick Santorum’s country.

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