Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Of course you can have champagne before noon. That’s why orange juice was invented.

Accountability, motherfuckers.

Republican speaker of the house Mike Johnson is the bland and smiling face of evil.

Stamping your little feets and demanding that they see how important you are? Not working anymore.

Optimism opens the door to great things.

When I was faster i was always behind.

Fundamental belief of white supremacy: white people are presumed innocent, minorities are presumed guilty.

Not loving this new fraud based economy.

Giving in to doom is how we fail to fight for ourselves & one another.

Republicans choose power over democracy, every day.

Something needs to be done about our bogus SCOTUS.

Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to.

Black Jesus loves a paper trail.

It’s easy to sit in safety and prescribe what other people should be doing.

Come on, media. you have one job. start doing it.

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

“Facilitate” is an active verb, not a weasel word.

Many life forms that would benefit from greater intelligence, sadly, do not have it.

Hot air and ill-informed banter

Their shamelessness is their super power.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

It’s a good piece. click on over. but then come back!!

Teach a man to fish, and he’ll sit in a boat all day drinking beer.

The words do not have to be perfect.

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What channel is it on? I can’t find it.

Update. This is liberal media bias. It’s only on a triple digit channell, 106 on my tv. And they stuck them with Charlie Rose. He looks even more hung over than usual (a friend of a friend worked for him and says he’s a raging alcoholic).

8:24: I hate myself for continuing to say this, but if I were a winger, I’d have to go for Cain. He’s just more forceful than these others.

8:27: Romney sucks, he’s really hassling the hot Euro meltdown chick.

8:28: The fixation with the value of currency is strange. How would a financial melt-down have hurt our currency? Wouldn’t deflation be the real risk?

8:28: You know where I thought Mitt was going with that end-to-end joke. Would have been better, no?

8:32 “We had too many houses”. Ron Paul is an idiot.

8:35: That is one crazy ad from Kaplan fav Pete Peterson.

8:38: “120 billion professionals”. Put some ice in the Dewar’s, Charlie.

8:39: I’m back to thinking that Perry just looks too much like an aging male prostitute.

8:41: Charlie is too much of a candy ass to cut these jokers off when they go over time. And now he’s letting Newt blab on for no reason. Let Karen T and hot Euro chick take over if you can’t maintain order yourself.

8:47: I knew Bachmann would go 666 on the 999 eventually. These Bieber freaks got a kick out of that.

8:49: These idiots don’t know what QEII is, they think it’s a cruise ship. You may as well talk about Trout Mask Replica some more.

8:52: Perry’s a goner. He’s a dumber Cain.

8:54: Santorum really does have boyish good looks. Nice tie, too. A button-down with a suit is bush league, though. Jesus, these fuckers love reconciliation too?

8:59: I’m getting a real Village of the Damned vibe from sweater vest tykes.

9:03: These production values are rock bottom. I feel like I’m watching public access tv. The lighting is garish, they’ve got a correspondent dressed as a flasher. I think I have to call it a night.

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  6. 6.

    jl

    I for one will contribute to the Free Barney fund.

    But Dodd? Didn’t he run off to Tahiti or something. Last time I saw a pic of him he was in lush tropical paradise with a Hawaiian shirt. Or maybe it was Philadelphia. Whichever, he will be able to beat extradition.

  8. 8.

    Morzer

    There really ought to be a way to distinguish lies and lunacy – but if this rabble of candidates can’t be bothered, damned if I am going to waste time doing so.

  10. 10.

    Cat Lady

    Watching it, but I just can’t believe the stupid shit coming out of all of their mouths. It’s like listening to a bunch of high school sophomores after cramming all night but from the wrong book.

  11. 11.

    Samara Morgan

    AllahP is callin’ it the “Perry’s Last Chance Debate”.

    The good news for Perry is that he doesn’t have to worry about immigration or Gardasil. They’ll spend the full two hours on the economy so he’ll have ample time to talk Texas and jobs. The bad news is that he’s one more catastrophic gaffe away from convincing everyone that he’s an irredeemably bad bet. If it happens tonight, wealthy donors who are leery of Romney’s squishiness will throw in the towel and back Mitt on electability grounds and grassroots conservatives who are leery of Cain’s inexperience will throw in the towel and back “Herb” as a charismatic “true conservative” who can galvanize the base.

    lol i find this hilarious.

    The other notable thing in these numbers is how much Rick Perry’s image has tanked in the last month. Only 23 % of voters now have a favorable opinion of him to 57 % with a negative one. That neg 34 favorability spread is worse than the neg 30 we found for Sarah Palin at 32/62 the last time we polled on her nationally, in August. He’s at an amazingly bad 16/62 with independents. Obama can only hope that Perry makes some sort of comeback in the next few months- it may be his only path to reelection.

    hahaha…who does PPP think is going to be elected over O?
    a MORMON?

    AllahP is still in mourning over the snowbilly.
    his tears are delicious.
    :)

  12. 12.

    JPL

    Let’s see I can use my time to read a book or listen to bullshit from the republicans… Hmmm what to do
    night all..

  14. 14.

    Morzer

    Karen Tumulty deserves some credit for trying to get the GOP to meet Ms Minimal Reality. Sadly, not even a handshake has resulted, but it was a gallant effort.

  16. 16.

    RandyH

    Jon Huntsman seems to be the only sensible person at the table. Everyone else seems to be trying to out-crazy the next one.

  19. 19.

    jl

    Well, OK. Damn. May have to look for the clip where they talk about the totalitarian Nobama prostate gland death panels. I assume that is what they are talking about, TPM just mentioned it in passing, but I put one and one together.

    I might stand up and go for a little walk now.

  20. 20.

    Morzer

    Romney has a remarkable talent for waffling endlessly without being remotely truthful or specific at any point.

  21. 21.

    lamh34

    I think that the GOP candidates realize that average Americans are not gonna watch debate live so they are just creating soundbites…

  22. 22.

    Cat Lady

    I wish Sarah Palin was there. She’d add just that extra touch of WTF that’s missing tonight.

    ETA: It just occurred to me that the whole Newt prostate derailment must be because he’s got a problem down there. Like every Republican, it’s only a problem if it’s a problem for them.

  26. 26.

    4tehlulz

    But they’ve already moved on to … prostate cancer exams. Really.

    Did this really happen?

    WTFGOP

  29. 29.

    Judas Escargot

    Watching on Bloomberg. Funny to read the assorted “DOOM IN EUROPE” factoids on the crawl. But Richard Branson’s going all-in on biofuel, so I suppose it will all be ok. And who the fuck is “DOLLAR THRIFTY”?

    Oh. Michelle Bachmann is talking.

  30. 30.

    Morzer

    Do bubbles really glare in our face? Ron Paul seems to think so. Also, this whole system is all messed-up. He’ll be Occupying Bugfuck Texas any day now.

  31. 31.

    jl

    Dougerhead:

    “8:28: The fixation with the value of currency is strange. How would a financial melt-down have hurt our currency? Wouldn’t deflation be the real risk?”

    There is a field called paraconsistent logic. I think the GOP primary debates will prompt the math people to look into apparently controlled inconsistencies that blow up into universal contradiction behind a GOP presidential candidate’s back.

  35. 35.

    Morzer

    Michelle Bachmann appears to have crossed the all-important dividing line between GOP Fantasy MILF and America Yawns Scaly Old Witch.

  36. 36.

    Bruce S

    I’m not watching it but I’m liveblogging it.

    8:whatever – these people are idiots. Hard to tell whether, as individuals, they’re more driven by cynicism, opportunism or insanity. But that’s the spectrum. And I’m dead certain Satan is behind this shit. Obama is going to kick one of these fools’ ass. Bigtime.

  38. 38.

    lamh34

    @Cliff in NH: Herman Cain is running to sell books or get on that conservative speaking/pundit/griter grave train. And if he is seriously aiming for VP, then he is delusional as well.

    Other than the 5 Blacks conservatives left in the GOP what does Romeny gain by selecting Cain, when he can go with your average white dude and get the same results.

    Too bad though, I kinda wanted Cain to find his balls and really rip into Romney.

  39. 39.

    dslak

    @Morzer: My immediate thought upon hearing Paul’s comments was “Yes, but Austrian economists always predict bubbles. Statistically, they’re simply going to be right sometimes.”

    The economists worth taking seriously are those who predicted the crash based on extrapolations from observed data, which of course excludes the Austrians.

  40. 40.

    Samara Morgan

    Ron Paul is an idiot.

    they are all idiots.
    its like an awesome demolition derby of insane clown posse crash cars.

  42. 42.

    L. Ron Obama

    @jl: Sorry, I was watching it online at washingtonpost.com (I guess it’s on bloomberg’s website too). This way I can do something constructive while it’s playing in the corner.

    Perry finally shows up, intensive debate practice didn’t seem to do him much good.

  43. 43.

    Raven (formerly stuckinred)

    “That’s why so many Americans are untrustworthy of Washington”. Guess who?

  44. 44.

    Cat Lady

    @Morzer:

    They all look like they’ve been interrogated by the Staasi before they sat down. Except Mitt, who looks like if you hit him hard enough his hard drive would malfunction and make his head twitch like the borg doctor in Alien.

  46. 46.

    Bruce S

    “8:32 ‘We had too many houses.’. Ron Paul is an idiot.”

    Somebody needs to remind him that John McCain isn’t on the podium this time around…

  47. 47.

    Morzer

    And now Romney decides that soshulism is rampant, so the cure is teabagger random crazy with a side order of Mitt The Destroyer Of Corporate Worlds.

  49. 49.

    Morzer

    @Cat Lady:

    Is it possible for Romney to babble more meaninglessly? He’s really desperately appeasing his inner teabagger tonight.

    And Gingrich starts gibbering about cutting off right legs and balancing budgets.

    Which naturally leads to Michelle Bachmann advocating a total meltdown in the faith and credit of the USA.

  50. 50.

    J. Michael Neal

    @jl:

    TPM just mentioned it in passing, but I put one and one together.

    If you mean for it to have any relevance to the clowns onstage, I hope you got 3+2i as your answer.

  51. 51.

    Raven (formerly stuckinred)

    @Morzer: And Gingrich starts gibbering about cutting off right legs and balancing budgets.

    I liked it when he talked about shooting himself in the head.

  52. 52.

    Morzer

    Is Michelle Bachmann advocating balance? Did you know she was a federal tax lawyer for a living?

  53. 53.

    L. Ron Obama

    Mr. Romney, which of these two mutually exclusive options would you prefer? Romney: Neither! Rose: OK, next question.

  54. 54.

    Judas Escargot

    Volcker rule. Iran responsible. “You will not cut your way to growth”. Newt, death panels. VOLCKER RULE. Prostate cancer, single urologist. Let’s ask Michelle Bachmann!

    Nine years from now, dead flat broke.

    PETER G PETERSON.

  61. 61.

    waratah

    @L. Ron Obama: I think they thought his first answer with creating energy jobs only to solve the jobs problem was not serious enough, so they let him have a break.

  63. 63.

    Morzer

    Bachmann The Federal Tax Lawyer meritoriously smites the tax-imposing Hermann Cain for his 666 plan…. Clearly, the world is turning upside down.

  67. 67.

    L. Ron Obama

    Bachmann: I disagree with the 999 plan because Congress cannot be trusted with any revenue at all, let’s go zero zero zero plan.

    Also Satan

  71. 71.

    Bruce S

    OMFG! I lied – I just checked this thing out in time to hear Michele Bachmann link Herman Cain’s 999 tax plan to Satan!

    I didn’t expect to get validation for my theory so quickly from one of the folks on the podium. Now it’s time to for Herman Cain to pull his weight and link Michele Bachmann’s vacant stare to the Zombie Threat!

  73. 73.

    jl

    YEEESSSSS!

    Bachmann! My favorite crazy lady, said ‘999’ was ‘666’ upside down.

    Just as I predicted yesterday.

    It’s the beginning of the end for Cain (hmmm…. Cain? Is Cain ABLE to do the job?)

    BTW, Huntsman is still there even though he has zero percent support. So, why can’t Hot Eurochick get the race.

    Also too, Cain showed he knows the difference between percents and percentage points. He is too egghead to win.

  75. 75.

    Mark B.

    I think the one reason why Cain has a chance is that the Republicans really want to pull out all of the stops and run a full-bore openly racist campaign against Obama which would make most Klan grand dragons blush. Having Cain as the nominee gives them cover for that.

  76. 76.

    Scotty

    So with Cain’s ‘999’ plan including a 9% national sales tax implemented by the Federal government, would I have to pay 17.5% sales tax overall if my state/local sales tax in NY is 8.5%?

  82. 82.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @dslak: Or, in a reality based world, a collections lawyer for the IRS. Where she is remembered by some colleagues primarily for spending much of her tenure there on maternity leave. Not exactly a tax code or policy maven. : )

  83. 83.

    Mark B.

    @Scotty: With no exemptions, so things you’ve been buying tax-free, like food, will suddenly become MUCH more expensive. But it won’t be a big burden on rich people.

  85. 85.

    Morzer

    Romney decides to take on China. Perry rejects policies in favor of “getting America working”. Without policies. Except drill, baby, drill. The love that dare not speak its slogan.

  89. 89.

    L. Ron Obama

    Huntsman: Appease the Chinese. Romney: The Chinese will run us over with their fiddles. Perry: Let’s not bicker about who killed who.

  93. 93.

    Raven (formerly stuckinred)

    @Jenny: Right, just after he said “That’s why so many Americans are untrustworthy of Washington”.

  96. 96.

    Davis X. Machina

    @Scotty: If sales taxes don’t together add up to a number in the high thirties or low forties, then there’s an immediate reduction in government tout court proportional to the shortfall, because excise won’t make a dent, state income taxes ditto, and you just blew up the federal income tax.

    ETA sane people throw around a federal VAT or sales tax in the 23-27% range as what you’d need to be revenue-neutral.

  98. 98.

    L. Ron Obama

    Santorum: How many people here know how to use Google, raise your hands. Now keep them up and away from your keyboards please

  99. 99.

    dslak

    B-b-but, the time. You see the red light? I will become ever so slightly agitated if you don’t stop.

  107. 107.

    Morzer

    After listening to this collection of babbling fools, frauds and fuckwits I need a stiff drink to restore my IQ to something like room temperature.

  108. 108.

    PeakVT

    I’m watching not but not listening. Santorum seems to be having a good time right now. It looks like an overly large sports roundtable without the sound.

  111. 111.

    dmsilev

    @Bruce S:

    Now it’s time to for Herman Cain to pull his weight and link Michele Bachmann’s vacant stare to the Zombie Threat!

    I think the GOP field is safe from zombies; not nearly enough brains to tempt the living undead.

  112. 112.

    MikeJ

    Android phones don’t have to plead with their masters before they’ll take a policy position run a piece of software.

  116. 116.

    Morzer

    I wonder whether my doctor would prescribe medical marijuana for pain caused by militant GOP stupidity.

  123. 123.

    Raven (formerly stuckinred)

    Euro chick is Julianna Goldman and she’s married to David Schuster. (sp)

  124. 124.

    dmsilev

    Barney Frank head-shots Newt:

    “He’s been having a bad year, you know — this self-styled intellectual leader of the free world struggling to stay ahead of Michele Bachmann in the polls is unsettling him so he talks even sillier than he sometimes does,”

    (from an interview just now on TPM)

  125. 125.

    Cat Lady

    Where’s the red meat for the blood thirsty crowd? Can’t one of them slip in that torturing Muslims is a jobs program?

  129. 129.

    Dexter

    What will happen if I drink brandy after taking tylenol? I want to drink after listening to these GOP clowns.

  131. 131.

    L. Ron Obama

    Come on Bachmann, attacking Perry is too easy.
    I just realized that if Bachmann started droppin’ her Gs she would sound eerily like Palin.

  136. 136.

    RandyH

    9:03: These production values are rock bottom. I feel like I’m watching public access tv. The lighting is garish, they’ve got a correspondent dressed as a flasher. I think I have to call it a night.

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen Charlie Rose looking so ugly with all the bags and wrinkles and such. This production team (especially the lighting folks) should not work in this industry again. Pathetic.

  138. 138.

    wrb

    @Dexter:

    What will happen if I drink brandy after taking tylenol? I want to drink after listening to these GOP clowns.

    You’ll die in puke in your bathtub.

  139. 139.

    RandyH

    @Dexter:

    What will happen if I drink brandy after taking tylenol?

    Most likely you will go to sleep and never wake up. Don’t do it. For future consideration, NEVER take Tylenol.

  140. 140.

    The Republic of Stupidity

    8:39: I’m back to thinking that Perry just looks too much like an aging male prostitute.

    Oh come on… there’s no “looks too much like” about it… Perry IS an aging male prostitute…

  144. 144.

    Dexter

    @wrb: That will be very inconvenient. I will follow Balloon-Juice instead, should have done it like I did the previous debates.

  152. 152.

    fasteddie9318

    @Dougerhead: It’s not the folksy thing, it’s his strict adherence to literal gibberish whenever he gets pressed on Plan 9. I speak two languages (counting English) and can understand about 3 or 4 others, but I can’t understand a fucking word that comes out of his mouth once he starts trying to defend that piece of shit.

  153. 153.

    lamh34

    None of these guys really wants to be Prez (obviously). They aren’t even trying to get at Mitt. it’s obvious, that these debates are just fluffer. Perry was put in to take the sails out of Bachmann. Newt sourpuss face was a non-starter to begin with. Herman Cain was never gonna get it. Huntsman is a douche, Paul is crazy, and Santorum is a “frothy mix…”joke.

    So since no one else is getting in the race, and the other candidates seem to be not even trying to dethrone Mittens, looks like Romney’s it.

    Here’s my question, since the other candidates aren’t using the enormous amount of op-repo on Romeny to cut him down to size, I hope that he Obama/Biden campaign are girding their loins and just waiting out the nom process and then will “release the kracken” of op-research they have. Is there enough op-res for Obama to use to bring Mittens down?

  155. 155.

    Morzer

    Romney’s clearly uploaded a human empathy app in recent days – and looks more alarmingly plastic than ever. Romney/HAL 2012!

  158. 158.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    It can’t just be my liberal partisanship that makes me see Romney giving out vibes of soullessness. I can feel them through the TeeVee. I think Obama v. Romney would be a very close race, but… how can he not creep people out?

  161. 161.

    fasteddie9318

    Has Charlie Rose’s Corpse been moderating all night, or did Charlie die of fright after listening to these imbeciles?

  162. 162.

    jl

    @Jenny: After long stretches of Rose and Newt, anything looks good.

    And other commmenters said she asked the best questions, but they aren’t letting her ask enough questions.

    Wooof. Final segment comming up.

    I turned off the sound again after Paul went after Cain for serving with the FED.

    I guess new gimmick will be that the GOP candidates have to use gold for everything, or otherwise they are advocating totalitarian death Satan money.

  163. 163.

    arguingwithsignposts

    Stupid ad copy: “If no one ever challenged the status quo, the earth would still be flat.”

  164. 164.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Raven (formerly stuckinred): If you can manage the GI havoc (primarily low level but long term) you’re probably better off with the nonsteroidals for the creaks. Ibuprofen is your friend. Unless, like me you have allergies to them.
    And we’ve used glucosamine and chondroitin on creaky horse joints for decades, with much success. For cross species anecdata, in case you’re interested.

  169. 169.

    jl

    Oh damn, Health care. Their ‘ideas’. I am supposed to know about that stuff. So, guess I have to listen to this mess. Go get a (Edit: stiff) drink first.

  171. 171.

    piratedan

    okay candidates, everyday americans are marching in the streets demanding tax reform and Iran is proven to be culpable in engaging in terrorist acts on American soil….. so based on this, what pie do you serve at the State Function welcoming the President of Rwanda?

  172. 172.

    Morzer

    Well, the more I listen to this cluster-fuck of raving blowhardery, the more I understand how conspiracy theories about fluoride in the water seem credible:

    usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-05/pinellas-county-florida-votes-no-fluoride-in-drinking-wate…

    a few people at Tuesday’s meeting identifying themselves as Tea Party activists “hijacked” the issue, calling the practice a government attempt to “dumb down” residents and likening it to Soviet and Nazi practices. The ban was passed despite testimony of more than a dozen dentists and others advocating the practice

  173. 173.

    scav

    @Raven (formerly stuckinred): add-on to @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) Also too, acetaminophen doesn’t have a lot of space between the doses you take per recommendations and where it starts being bad for you. That’s why you’ve got to be careful with it because it shows up on so many products which means youre taking more than you might otherwise think. Not all analgesics work the same for all people or all purposes, so if you need it, you take it, but it is one of the trickier ones.

  174. 174.

    fasteddie9318

    Shorter Herb Cain: If we implement Plan 9, and we will because WOW!, then the shock of that will knock us into a parallel dimension where numbers aren’t numbers anymore, they’re letters! These economists who keep saying that my plan will explode the deficit and regressively strike the poor are stuck in a pre-letter/number mentality.

  181. 181.

    Morzer

    Herbal Cain, Frothy Mix, Job Crusher Romney, The Federal Tax Lawyer Legion Of Doom…. where do they find them?

  185. 185.

    Raven (formerly stuckinred)

    @scav:” Dr. Neil Kaplowitz of the University of Southern California, co-author of the study, said, “I would urge the public not to exceed four grams a day. ”

    So, 4000 milligrams may be ok, I never take more than 500.

  188. 188.

    Bruce S

    I endorse Ron Paul’s revulsion at Alan Greenspan, but I think he’s blowing smoke if he thinks it’s enough to return to the Gold Standard. America will never have sound money again until we return to wampum. Been downhill ever since…

  191. 191.

    jl

    OMG, gummint men not letting banks say their bad loans are worth what they say they are!

    That will wreck everything.

  196. 196.

    Cacti

    @lamh34:

    Is there enough op-res for Obama to use to bring Mittens down?

    Romney’s history as a job-slashing vulture capitalist at Bain has barely been touched. Very 1 percent-ish that sort of work.

  197. 197.

    Morzer

    Damn, Ron Paul actually admits Republicans can screw up too. Gingrich looks hugely disapproving.

  203. 203.

    ChrisNYC

    I love that Perry just oozes “oh shit — specifics?!” terror when he’s asked anything having to do with any detail at all.

  204. 204.

    amk

    So will perry be kicked back to the foul state he came from ? Someone should bring in bobby fucking jindal to replace him.

  208. 208.

    Cacti

    @Morzer:

    Huntsman brought it up – and Romney lied shamelessly.

    Yeah, I saw Huntsman bring it up in passing.

    I imagine if Mittens is the nominee, that topic is going to be explored a lot more fully in the general election. Most Gooper pols don’t see anything wrong with screwing over working folks, hence the lack of attacks on that front.

  211. 211.

    scav

    @Raven (formerly stuckinred): so just pay attention when you’re taking other stuff (especially cold medications) and as the HHGuideTTG says, Don’t Panic. I personally just default to ibuprofen for my standard pain reliever although I’m not entirely convinced it works as well for me. Somehow pain-relievers and toxicology strikes me as an entirely apt sub-thread here, no?

  215. 215.

    amk

    @handy: so that crazy eyed kook of a ‘lady’ really laid on to him, huh ? Fuck, even a dead armadillo is better than this idjit.

  216. 216.

    Morzer

    Santorum feels that poverty is not an economic issue. Doubtless he’s worn down by a long round of screwing the family pooch.

  218. 218.

    Litlebritdifrnt2

    Obamas tax policies? Taxes are the lowest now than they have ever been? How can these fuckers just sit up there and lie?

  225. 225.

    Morzer

    A bold plan! Any plan, so long as it’s bold! Charge of the Light Brigade II starring Herbal Cain!

  227. 227.

    Raven (formerly stuckinred)

    @Gravenstone: Well, I personally think alcohol is terrible but since I drank like there was no tomorrow until I was 42 I usually don’t say much about it here.

  228. 228.

    Bruce S

    Romney: I was a rich Mormon kid. Incredibly wealthy. My dad was a pretty good guy, but I chose to become a douchebag. I spent the Vietnam years trying to convince French people to join a cult. I’ve made hundreds of millions and fired hundreds of thousands. Why should I be President? Because I’m Mitt Romney and you’re not.

  230. 230.

    lamh34

    so Perry is fizzling, and Cain is stupid. Bachmann has crazy eyes and Huntsman aint’ that funny. Newt is a bigotted and rcist as ever, and Santorum is just a “cleaner, boyishly handsome” version of Newt, so the coronation of Romney is set.

    It’s seems like a better question is who will Romney pick as his running mate?

    Ain’t no way Romney is picking Cain (what votes does he pic up by picking Cain as VP, it sure ain’t Black votes!). Palin’s out and if u can’t have the real thing, why would you want a substitute (Bachmann). Santorum’s “frothy mixe” problem is it for him. If Christie’s too “robust” to be POTUS, then how is being VP any better? Huntsman…um, 2 Mormons on one ticket…um no. Pawlenty…um, 2 boring douches on one ticket…um no.

    So who does that leave?

  232. 232.

    amk

    So after this cage fight, will ‘herb’ cain dumb it down further and just call his ‘plan’ a simple 9 ?

  235. 235.

    scav

    @Raven (formerly stuckinred): but then how do you know you should be having the fun of breaking the rules if you don’t know what they are? It’s like skipping pebbles: every so often barely skimming the surface of relevance and then moving on in free-flight.

  239. 239.

    amk

    @lamh34: well, there is always that charismatic bobby fucking jindal. Look at how many ‘the other’ votes he will pull in. Coronation emperor mittens.

  240. 240.

    cay

    When she looks like Elizabeth Warren, will hot Euro chick just be Euro woman with a point? I’m so tired of being a walking pair of tits.

  241. 241.

    beltane

    @lamh34: Romney will need someone with impeccable Christianist credentials to assuage the base, someone like that scary governor of Virginia.

  242. 242.

    lamh34

    hmmm, so no questions about Black unemployment. I thought that was a subject near and dear to the hearts of the GOP candidates.

    Oh wait, no Black unemployment is only important as a tool to bludgeon Obama with…nevermind.

  244. 244.

    Elliecat

    Isn’t Bachmann’s “small business owner” title just due to her getting a share of the income/government subsidies generated by her father-in-law’s farms?

  246. 246.

    Dougerhead

    @cay:

    Come on, we call Rick Perry an aging gigolo, we call Charlie Rose a walking corpse, I don’t see the sexism here.

  247. 247.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @beltane: I was thinking just today, as people who you think would know better were babbling about Romney/Christie, that Romney needs a Southerner on his ticket, perhaps more than anybody since Virginia was the biggest state

  250. 250.

    Gravenstone

    @parsimon:

    Marco Rubio.

    Who has unequivocally ruled himself out of the 2012 VP race. Of course, Perry was swearing up and down he wasn’t going to run, right up until he did. So YMMV.

  252. 252.

    amk

    Is there any show on teevee that has monkeys flinging poo at each other ? That ought to be better than this fucking farce.

  253. 253.

    Judas Escargot

    When I’m a drunken grandpa at Thanksgiving, I want to nod off at the table like Ron Paul.

  254. 254.

    L. Ron Obama

    @cay: Euro chick was hot because of her followup questions. Also, are you saying Elizabeth Warren isn’t hot?

  256. 256.

    ChrisNYC

    @lamh34: I think it will be Cain.

    The redstaters have been herded into liking him. E. Erickson and the rest of the TP frauds are soooo close to having a full employment grifter plan — book deals! TV shows! “think” tank seats — they can taste it. They’re gonna make sure that 2012 solidifies their place on the GOP gravy train. Newt has to stop funnelling off cash one of these days, right? Erick and his friends are angling for their own little piece of the pie — years and years of RINO fighting and all the delicious fundraising that goes with it. They got the hell away from Perry when it became clear that he was imploding — they need a proxy and Cain’s it.

    Cain’s a-ok with the evangelicals, too. He’s not great but he can come up with some pretty good Islam and gay people hate when you give him a chance. Doesn’t have the fiery crazedness of a Santorum but they’ll take it.

    They don’t think Cain will get black voters. They DO think that it will PROVE that the GOP is so totally not racist. I mean, they write this stuff on redstate all the time. For real.

  257. 257.

    Hob

    “Charlie is too much of a candy ass to cut these jokers off when they go over time”

    I haven’t watched Rose’s show in years, but he used to
    be unable to go 30 seconds without interrupting his guests. Are you sure it’s really him?

  260. 260.

    Cat Lady

    @ChrisNYC:

    If it’s Cain, the teatards will be comforted that he’s in his rightful place playing second fiddle to the white guy while saying they voted for him. I’m just not sure he can drum up the enthusiasm like Palin did. Mitt just isn’t going to get them fired up and ready to go.

  261. 261.

    Dougerhead

    @Hob:

    He tries to interrupt almost immediately, way before time has expired, but they ignore him then and then they continue to ignore him when they’re out of time as he clears his throat and makes that Charlie Rose trying to interrupt noise. Eventually the other moderators cut them off.

  264. 264.

    ChrisNYC

    @Cat Lady: Totally agree on second fiddle. It is fascinating though. Same calculation with Palin in a way. “Get a GIRL in here! But! We don’t really have any of them — still — we need to find some girl for this goddamn ticket!”

  265. 265.

    Judas Escargot

    Iowa bankers. Obama collapse. Small business owners. Dodd Frank! Debit Fee! Dirty Dealing!

  266. 266.

    Origuy

    I think Michele is referring to Marcus’ pray-away-the-gay counseling business, of which she probably has a share.

  267. 267.

    JenJen

    Missed the stupid GOP debate same way I’ve missed every stupid GOP debate this season (yay, me!) but this line from DougJ stuck out:

    And they stuck them with Charlie Rose. He looks even more hung over than usual (a friend of a friend worked for him and says he’s a raging alcoholic).

    True story: I’ve served Charlie before, one time was a three-night stint at the fancy hotel I worked at. Raging alcoholic is putting it a bit mildly. Saw him on Morning Joe earlier today and my immediate thought was, “Wow, Charlie’s either hitting the sauce early today, or he’s still drunk from last night’s bender.”

  268. 268.

    lamh34

    Hasn’t Rubo already said no (I know, in this case “no doesn’t always mean no”)

    But it would be stupid of Rubio to do it now, IMHO. He waits til 2016, He has 4 years under his belt, and the Latino population is expected to just keep getting bigger which means that maybe the Latino voting population will also increase, and he could be at the top of the ticket instead of a 2nd fiddle.

    Plus as I’ve said previously, not all Latinos vote alike, and Mexicans think differently than Dominicans, Domincans think differently than Puerto Ricans, Puerto Ricans think differently than Cubans…ya get my drift. Other than speaking the same language, their is not as much of a “shared experience” among the Latino community, IMHO, so Rubio being Hispanic may not be enough to bring a large majority over to Mittens side, especially with all the crap Mittens has been saying about immigration lately. Plus Rubio seems to be of the “I got mine, now you get your” Herman Cain-esque school of hard knocks when it comes to immigration.

  271. 271.

    Cain

    @amk:

    So after this cage fight, will ‘herb’ cain dumb it down further and just call his ‘plan’ a simple 9 ?

    Well you know if you turn it 90 degrees to the right, it looks like a male organ. I would say that’s a message right there!

  275. 275.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @lamh34:

    Hasn’t Rubo already said no (I know, in this case “no doesn’t always mean no”)

    That just means he wants 1) to be able to say ‘I never wanted it’ if he doesn’t get it and 2) to keep his options open and look at poll numbers when Romney (probably) starts his vetting process

    @JenJen: What does he drink? And that tipping question?

  276. 276.

    Joseph Nobles

    @lamh34: Actually, I think it is Cain for veep. They were about this close to holding hands under the Table. I see it especially in how much Herman Cain took shot after shot tonight, far more than his newfound position in the polls deserved. By attacking Cain, everyone at the table showed that it was a fight for second place now, and Cain’s the frontrunner there.

  279. 279.

    Mike in NC

    @ChrisNYC:

    Comment from redstate: “Economics is not the strong point for any of these candidates.”

    Well, could these asswipes really fill all that time pontificating about yet more tax breaks for the rich?

  280. 280.

    ChrisNYC

    Two more (from Hot Air):

    (1) “It’s incredible to me we can’t find a tough, sharp, dynamic, attractive Republican candidate.”

    Go figure!

    (2) The blunt but catchy: “These candidates suck.”

  281. 281.

    Elie

    @lamh34:

    I am late to the party but y’all have me howling with laughter… ..

    thank God I missed it…your reviews are much better and my head wont explode.

  282. 282.

    lamh34

    @Joseph Nobles: if Romney picks Cain, then I suspect he knows that he will lose. There is absolutely NO WAY Romney picks Cain. I’d bet my life’s savings on it (doesn’t really amount to anything, my life’s savings is less than $100 thx to Katrina)

  284. 284.

    TJ Walker

    “Perry just looks too much like an aging male prostitute.” That’s the funniest and most insightful thing I heard all night–and I watched the whole debate!

  287. 287.

    PanAmerican

    @ChrisNYC:

    They’re so full of bullshit. In the current zeitgeist what those shit heels want is a law and order type. That was the love affair with Christie. Somebody to go club those damn hippies into line. His good party soldier endorsement of Mitts is worthless – everybody knows that guy is a fucking wimp. Ergo no Cain for the VP slot. For that matter his handlers will scratch anyone that medical science can prove is alive. Can’t show up a weak candidate and NOBODY wants an Ice Princess II.

  290. 290.

    Yutsano

    @fasteddie9318:

    Shorter Herb Cain: If we implement Plan 9, and we will because WOW!, then the shock of that will knock us into a parallel dimension where numbers aren’t numbers anymore, they’re letters! These economists who keep saying that my plan will explode the deficit and regressively strike the poor are stuck in a pre-letter/number mentality.

    Hermie went through the Phantom Tollbooth??

  291. 291.

    Ian

    @lamh34:
    A google search of Mittens would bring him down.

    My favorite video is when a man comes up to mittens and asks him why he can not have MMJ to ease his suffering. Mittens ignores the man, and is followed around by a dude in a wheelchair asking “why can’t I have my pain medicine?”

  292. 292.

    Ian

    @handy:
    @amk:
    @lamh34:

    Full of the hate on ‘fat’ people. Sweet. Totally. Awesome.

    Do we move onto Cain is a N*****r next? Or do we choose which levels of bigotry offend us and which we find hilarious?

  293. 293.

    Lojasmo

    @Ian:

    We have been over this numerous times. Obesity is not an immutable genetic trait. “Race” is. This, from a fat guy.

  295. 295.

    Chinn Romney

    Favorite moment for me, my man Barney Frank coming to Newt’s defense:

    “He’s been having a bad year, you know — this self-styled intellectual leader of the free world struggling to stay ahead of Michele Bachmann in the polls is unsettling him so he talks even sillier than he sometimes does,” he said.

  296. 296.

    chopper

    @lamh34:

    from a pure-GOP standpoint christie would make the most sense, but romney’s going to be bleeding conservative support throughout the whole general if he can’t scare the shit out of goopers re: obama. and romney just isn’t that good at frightening conservatives into voting for him.

    so he’ll go with option #2, pull a mccain and pick some conservative wacko to get some decent GOP turnout in the general. worked well last time, right?

  298. 298.

    Matt

    Romney has the best chance against Obama in 2012. While his health care plan in Mass is a mess, he’s the most polished and has the most experience with the economic issues our country faces. They’re running a poll over here on this very issue…jabbermap.com/?p=344a

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