What channel is it on? I can’t find it.
Update. This is liberal media bias. It’s only on a triple digit channell, 106 on my tv. And they stuck them with Charlie Rose. He looks even more hung over than usual (a friend of a friend worked for him and says he’s a raging alcoholic).
8:24: I hate myself for continuing to say this, but if I were a winger, I’d have to go for Cain. He’s just more forceful than these others.
8:27: Romney sucks, he’s really hassling the hot Euro meltdown chick.
8:28: The fixation with the value of currency is strange. How would a financial melt-down have hurt our currency? Wouldn’t deflation be the real risk?
8:28: You know where I thought Mitt was going with that end-to-end joke. Would have been better, no?
8:32 “We had too many houses”. Ron Paul is an idiot.
8:35: That is one crazy ad from Kaplan fav Pete Peterson.
8:38: “120 billion professionals”. Put some ice in the Dewar’s, Charlie.
8:39: I’m back to thinking that Perry just looks too much like an aging male prostitute.
8:41: Charlie is too much of a candy ass to cut these jokers off when they go over time. And now he’s letting Newt blab on for no reason. Let Karen T and hot Euro chick take over if you can’t maintain order yourself.
8:47: I knew Bachmann would go 666 on the 999 eventually. These Bieber freaks got a kick out of that.
8:49: These idiots don’t know what QEII is, they think it’s a cruise ship. You may as well talk about Trout Mask Replica some more.
8:52: Perry’s a goner. He’s a dumber Cain.
8:54: Santorum really does have boyish good looks. Nice tie, too. A button-down with a suit is bush league, though. Jesus, these fuckers love reconciliation too?
8:59: I’m getting a real Village of the Damned vibe from sweater vest tykes.
9:03: These production values are rock bottom. I feel like I’m watching public access tv. The lighting is garish, they’ve got a correspondent dressed as a flasher. I think I have to call it a night.
JPL
bloomberg news
I’m streaming it online at bloomberg.com
Morzer
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics
4tehlulz
Be thankful.
Samara Morgan
the Bloomberg network.
no idea what channel that is.
Random User Name (Internet Idiot)
It’s on Bloomberg’s channel. They’re streaming it live but I only lasted a few minutes.
jl
I for one will contribute to the Free Barney fund.
But Dodd? Didn’t he run off to Tahiti or something. Last time I saw a pic of him he was in lush tropical paradise with a Hawaiian shirt. Or maybe it was Philadelphia. Whichever, he will be able to beat extradition.
JPL
Doug, truthfully it’s a word salad and Ron Paul is making sense.
Morzer
There really ought to be a way to distinguish lies and lunacy – but if this rabble of candidates can’t be bothered, damned if I am going to waste time doing so.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
These motherfuckers talking about “building” shit. My dyin ass.
Cat Lady
Watching it, but I just can’t believe the stupid shit coming out of all of their mouths. It’s like listening to a bunch of high school sophomores after cramming all night but from the wrong book.
Samara Morgan
AllahP is callin’ it the “Perry’s Last Chance Debate”.
lol i find this hilarious.
hahaha…who does PPP think is going to be elected over O?
a MORMON?
AllahP is still in mourning over the snowbilly.
his tears are delicious.
:)
JPL
Let’s see I can use my time to read a book or listen to bullshit from the republicans… Hmmm what to do
night all..
jl
I’m refreshing the TPM live blog on the quarter hour. Easier on the blood pressure.
Morzer
Karen Tumulty deserves some credit for trying to get the GOP to meet Ms Minimal Reality. Sadly, not even a handshake has resulted, but it was a gallant effort.
Cliff in NH
Direct BTV stream:
http://www.bloomberg.com/streams/video/LiveBTV200.asxx
RandyH
Jon Huntsman seems to be the only sensible person at the table. Everyone else seems to be trying to out-crazy the next one.
L. Ron Obama
Euro chick asking a bunch of good followups and then Charlie jumps in and derails.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
Oh, Romney’s Harvard people are ok.
jl
Well, OK. Damn. May have to look for the clip where they talk about the totalitarian Nobama prostate gland death panels. I assume that is what they are talking about, TPM just mentioned it in passing, but I put one and one together.
I might stand up and go for a little walk now.
Morzer
Romney has a remarkable talent for waffling endlessly without being remotely truthful or specific at any point.
lamh34
I think that the GOP candidates realize that average Americans are not gonna watch debate live so they are just creating soundbites…
Cat Lady
I wish Sarah Palin was there. She’d add just that extra touch of WTF that’s missing tonight.
ETA: It just occurred to me that the whole Newt prostate derailment must be because he’s got a problem down there. Like every Republican, it’s only a problem if it’s a problem for them.
arguingwithsignposts
It has to be done: Charlie Rose by Samuel Beckett.
Dougerhead
@L. Ron Obama:
Euro chick is good, she doesn’t take any shit.
Charlie Rose is such a fucking tool. Hate him.
me
Only-sightly-OT: Gary “That’s not the Republican Party that I belong to” Johnson is answering questions at reddit.
4tehlulz
Did this really happen?
WTFGOP
L. Ron Obama
Only been watching for last 15 minutes, but haven’t heard a peep from Perry.
Cliff in NH
sounds like cain is running for romneys VP doesn’t it?
Judas Escargot
Watching on Bloomberg. Funny to read the assorted “DOOM IN EUROPE” factoids on the crawl. But Richard Branson’s going all-in on biofuel, so I suppose it will all be ok. And who the fuck is “DOLLAR THRIFTY”?
Oh. Michelle Bachmann is talking.
Morzer
Do bubbles really glare in our face? Ron Paul seems to think so. Also, this whole system is all messed-up. He’ll be Occupying Bugfuck Texas any day now.
jl
Dougerhead:
“8:28: The fixation with the value of currency is strange. How would a financial melt-down have hurt our currency? Wouldn’t deflation be the real risk?”
There is a field called paraconsistent logic. I think the GOP primary debates will prompt the math people to look into apparently controlled inconsistencies that blow up into universal contradiction behind a GOP presidential candidate’s back.
L. Ron Obama
BRING BACK HOT EURO CHICK
dslak
@L. Ron Obama: I could’ve sworn that Perry was supposed to be at this debate, but he seems to have been replaced with a simulacrum.
jl
@L. Ron Obama: What channel is it ON!! Tell me!
Morzer
Michelle Bachmann appears to have crossed the all-important dividing line between GOP Fantasy MILF and America Yawns Scaly Old Witch.
Bruce S
I’m not watching it but I’m liveblogging it.
8:whatever – these people are idiots. Hard to tell whether, as individuals, they’re more driven by cynicism, opportunism or insanity. But that’s the spectrum. And I’m dead certain Satan is behind this shit. Obama is going to kick one of these fools’ ass. Bigtime.
Dougerhead
@jl:
The Bloomberg Channel, I had to look it up online.
lamh34
@Cliff in NH: Herman Cain is running to sell books or get on that conservative speaking/pundit/griter grave train. And if he is seriously aiming for VP, then he is delusional as well.
Other than the 5 Blacks conservatives left in the GOP what does Romeny gain by selecting Cain, when he can go with your average white dude and get the same results.
Too bad though, I kinda wanted Cain to find his balls and really rip into Romney.
dslak
@Morzer: My immediate thought upon hearing Paul’s comments was “Yes, but Austrian economists always predict bubbles. Statistically, they’re simply going to be right sometimes.”
The economists worth taking seriously are those who predicted the crash based on extrapolations from observed data, which of course excludes the Austrians.
Samara Morgan
they are all idiots.
its like an awesome demolition derby of insane clown posse crash cars.
Morzer
Ohmigod Zombie Reagan makes an appearance!
L. Ron Obama
@jl: Sorry, I was watching it online at washingtonpost.com (I guess it’s on bloomberg’s website too). This way I can do something constructive while it’s playing in the corner.
Perry finally shows up, intensive debate practice didn’t seem to do him much good.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
“That’s why so many Americans are untrustworthy of Washington”. Guess who?
Cat Lady
@Morzer:
They all look like they’ve been interrogated by the Staasi before they sat down. Except Mitt, who looks like if you hit him hard enough his hard drive would malfunction and make his head twitch like the borg doctor in Alien.
Morzer
@dslak:
Well, you know, bubble-heads gotta bubble…
Bruce S
“8:32 ‘We had too many houses.’. Ron Paul is an idiot.”
Somebody needs to remind him that John McCain isn’t on the podium this time around…
Morzer
And now Romney decides that soshulism is rampant, so the cure is teabagger random crazy with a side order of Mitt The Destroyer Of Corporate Worlds.
jl
@Dougerhead: yes, I got it on with the sound turned down, waiting for Hot Eurochick. When did she get into the race?
Morzer
@Cat Lady:
Is it possible for Romney to babble more meaninglessly? He’s really desperately appeasing his inner teabagger tonight.
And Gingrich starts gibbering about cutting off right legs and balancing budgets.
Which naturally leads to Michelle Bachmann advocating a total meltdown in the faith and credit of the USA.
J. Michael Neal
@jl:
If you mean for it to have any relevance to the clowns onstage, I hope you got 3+2i as your answer.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@Morzer: And Gingrich starts gibbering about cutting off right legs and balancing budgets.
I liked it when he talked about shooting himself in the head.
Morzer
Is Michelle Bachmann advocating balance? Did you know she was a federal tax lawyer for a living?
L. Ron Obama
Mr. Romney, which of these two mutually exclusive options would you prefer? Romney: Neither! Rose: OK, next question.
Judas Escargot
Volcker rule. Iran responsible. “You will not cut your way to growth”. Newt, death panels. VOLCKER RULE. Prostate cancer, single urologist. Let’s ask Michelle Bachmann!
Nine years from now, dead flat broke.
PETER G PETERSON.
L. Ron Obama
YES!! Euro chick I love you
dslak
Herman Cain really is the id of the 27%.
Morzer
Hermann Cain is talking about expanding the base. I want more toppings, pizza man.
Dougerhead
@jl:
She’s one of the moderators.
Mark B.
Hot euro chick? I think that’s a whole genre of pron, there.
dslak
I never knew that Bachmann was a tax lawyer!
waratah
@L. Ron Obama: I think they thought his first answer with creating energy jobs only to solve the jobs problem was not serious enough, so they let him have a break.
Cliff in NH
no tax on used food LOL
Morzer
Bachmann The Federal Tax Lawyer meritoriously smites the tax-imposing Hermann Cain for his 666 plan…. Clearly, the world is turning upside down.
Jenny
Who puts the batteries in Charlie Rose’s back?
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@dslak: Don’t get out much huh?
arguingwithsignposts
@dslak: noun, verb, tax lawyer.
L. Ron Obama
Bachmann: I disagree with the 999 plan because Congress cannot be trusted with any revenue at all, let’s go zero zero zero plan.
Also Satan
Morzer
@dslak:
No, no – she’s a FEDERAL tax lawyer. Which makes it all just fine and dandy. Somehow.
fasteddie9318
Seriously, is Herb Cain mentally challenged?
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@arguingwithsignposts: 9/11
Bruce S
OMFG! I lied – I just checked this thing out in time to hear Michele Bachmann link Herman Cain’s 999 tax plan to Satan!
I didn’t expect to get validation for my theory so quickly from one of the folks on the podium. Now it’s time to for Herman Cain to pull his weight and link Michele Bachmann’s vacant stare to the Zombie Threat!
Jenny
@dslak:
So was Eva Braun.
jl
YEEESSSSS!
Bachmann! My favorite crazy lady, said ‘999’ was ‘666’ upside down.
Just as I predicted yesterday.
It’s the beginning of the end for Cain (hmmm…. Cain? Is Cain ABLE to do the job?)
BTW, Huntsman is still there even though he has zero percent support. So, why can’t Hot Eurochick get the race.
Also too, Cain showed he knows the difference between percents and percentage points. He is too egghead to win.
Cliff in NH
@dslak:
She did it just to infiltrate the enemy! (in some interviews)
Mark B.
I think the one reason why Cain has a chance is that the Republicans really want to pull out all of the stops and run a full-bore openly racist campaign against Obama which would make most Klan grand dragons blush. Having Cain as the nominee gives them cover for that.
Scotty
So with Cain’s ‘999’ plan including a 9% national sales tax implemented by the Federal government, would I have to pay 17.5% sales tax overall if my state/local sales tax in NY is 8.5%?
Morzer
@fasteddie9318:
He’s a black Republican. What do you think?
RandyH
Michele says the 999 plan is the 666 plan when you turn it over.
Ha ha ha.
L. Ron Obama
Note to Romney: a Chinese fiddle is called an Erhu
Dougerhead
@fasteddie9318:
That folksy talk thing is an act. I think he’s the smartest one after Romney.
Not that that would mean he’s not mentally challenged.
dslak
@Raven (formerly stuckinred): Just woke up from a coma five minutes ago. The doc’s got me watching the debate, and left a revolver on my bedside table. Should I be concerned?
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@dslak: Or, in a reality based world, a collections lawyer for the IRS. Where she is remembered by some colleagues primarily for spending much of her tenure there on maternity leave. Not exactly a tax code or policy maven. : )
Mark B.
@Scotty: With no exemptions, so things you’ve been buying tax-free, like food, will suddenly become MUCH more expensive. But it won’t be a big burden on rich people.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@Jenny: So was J Cheever Loophole!
Morzer
Romney decides to take on China. Perry rejects policies in favor of “getting America working”. Without policies. Except drill, baby, drill. The love that dare not speak its slogan.
Jenny
Perry sounds much better tonight.
The Ritalin is working.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@dslak: Is it loaded?
jl
Romney takes Kthung line on China. See, liberal.
Huntsman takes Stiglitz line. Communist.
L. Ron Obama
Huntsman: Appease the Chinese. Romney: The Chinese will run us over with their fiddles. Perry: Let’s not bicker about who killed who.
Morzer
@dslak:
Did the quack leave you any bullets, or did medical mercy not stretch so far?
Cliff in NH
@dslak:
August 18, 2011
Bachmann worked as tax lawyer to ‘know enemy’
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0811/Bachmann_worked_as_tax_lawyer_to_know_enemy.html
Samara Morgan
oooooo
plus 1k pali prisoners for shalitt.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@Jenny: Right, just after he said “That’s why so many Americans are untrustworthy of Washington”.
dslak
@Raven (formerly stuckinred): Why, yes. Yes, it is.
Judas Escargot
I’ve decided that Mitt Romney is an Android phone.
Davis X. Machina
@Scotty: If sales taxes don’t together add up to a number in the high thirties or low forties, then there’s an immediate reduction in government tout court proportional to the shortfall, because excise won’t make a dent, state income taxes ditto, and you just blew up the federal income tax.
ETA sane people throw around a federal VAT or sales tax in the 23-27% range as what you’d need to be revenue-neutral.
Morzer
Santorum was up in Ossipee. Which seems curiously appropriate and dirty at the same time.
L. Ron Obama
Santorum: How many people here know how to use Google, raise your hands. Now keep them up and away from your keyboards please
dslak
B-b-but, the time. You see the red light? I will become ever so slightly agitated if you don’t stop.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@dslak: Engage the safety, take it and put in in your trunk. Turn on the baseball game.
RandyH
Santorum is desperate.
joeyess
I’ve been listening for 10 minutes now and the debate spayed my cat.
scav
@Judas Escargot:
srsly, open source? That’s un’mercan. doomed I tell ya, doomed.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Judas Escargot: Please. Android phones are much more decisive and consistent.
@Raven (formerly stuckinred): Sage advice.
L. Ron Obama
Holy crap this asking each other questions thing is going to be a clusterfuck
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@RandyH: So are the tigers.
Morzer
After listening to this collection of babbling fools, frauds and fuckwits I need a stiff drink to restore my IQ to something like room temperature.
PeakVT
I’m watching not but not listening. Santorum seems to be having a good time right now. It looks like an overly large sports roundtable without the sound.
RandyH
@Judas Escargot:
Oh C’mon. He’s a Windows Phone.
Bruce S
Did Charlie Rose draw the short straw?
dmsilev
@Bruce S:
I think the GOP field is safe from zombies; not nearly enough brains to tempt the living undead.
MikeJ
Android phones don’t have to plead with their masters before they’ll
take a policy positionrun a piece of software.Samara Morgan
no one is tweeting the debate :(
i guess AllahP got perry-tin-itis on the last one.
dslak
@Raven (formerly stuckinred): I wound up in the coma from repeatedly banging my head against the wall because the only thing on was baseball.
lamh34
how long is this shit supposed to last?
Morzer
I wonder whether my doctor would prescribe medical marijuana for pain caused by militant GOP stupidity.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@dslak: Well, it’s my least favorite but it gives me something to do between football games.
Jenny
@RandyH: Mitt’s a Zuma.
hilts
Is there a worse debate moderator than Charlie Rose?
Charlie’s one shining moment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFE2CCfAP1o
Samara Morgan
@dmsilev: nah…. she stole Dr. Mondo’s eyes.
MikeJ
@lamh34: I could have sworn there were only seven seals to open, but the debate schedule tells me this is the 8th they’ve done (9th scheduled) and they’ve got a jillion more to go.
Morzer
@Jenny:
More like a Zima… tasteless and composed of equal parts cat-piss and bad faith marketing.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
Euro chick is Julianna Goldman and she’s married to David Schuster. (sp)
dmsilev
Barney Frank head-shots Newt:
(from an interview just now on TPM)
Cat Lady
Where’s the red meat for the blood thirsty crowd? Can’t one of them slip in that torturing Muslims is a jobs program?
Dougerhead
@Raven (formerly stuckinred):
She’s good, whoever she is.
Bruce S
Who the fuck is Matthew Dowd? Was Cokie Roberts out of town?
MikeJ
@Dougerhead: Bloomberg reporter.
Dexter
What will happen if I drink brandy after taking tylenol? I want to drink after listening to these GOP clowns.
Morzer
@Bruce S:
Chief strategist for Bush/Cheney ’04. So clearly a neutral commentator.
L. Ron Obama
Come on Bachmann, attacking Perry is too easy.
I just realized that if Bachmann started droppin’ her Gs she would sound eerily like Palin.
L. Ron Obama
Cain: A noun, a verb and 999
Jenny
@Raven (formerly stuckinred): Oh, Euro chick is Julianna Goldman.
Some of the guys on the blog have no experience.
While she’s certainly attractive, Julianna is not the least bit European looking.
joes527
Is Charlie Rose stoned? He can hardly get syllables out, much less sentences.
Cliff in NH
@Dexter:
Don’t do it.
RandyH
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Charlie Rose looking so ugly with all the bags and wrinkles and such. This production team (especially the lighting folks) should not work in this industry again. Pathetic.
Dougerhead
@Jenny:
Her first question was about the Euro, that’s why she’s hot Euro chick.
wrb
@Dexter:
You’ll die in puke in your bathtub.
RandyH
@Dexter:
Most likely you will go to sleep and never wake up. Don’t do it. For future consideration, NEVER take Tylenol.
The Republic of Stupidity
Oh come on… there’s no “looks too much like” about it… Perry IS an aging male prostitute…
L. Ron Obama
@Dexter: Depends if you have a spare liver handy
Cliff in NH
@wrb:
AKA If you can’t drink, Turn It Off!
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@RandyH: why not?
Dexter
@wrb: That will be very inconvenient. I will follow Balloon-Juice instead, should have done it like I did the previous debates.
L. Ron Obama
Christ, are we only on H? How long is this alphabet anyway
Judas Escargot
Nein! Nein! Nein!
(is the thread over now?)
MikeJ
@Dexter:
Skip the brandy. Drink yellow chartreuse so your skin will match your drink.
Bruce S
Herman Cain was a director of the Fed? Jesus God – no wonder we’ve been fucked in the ass by the financial sector.
L. Ron Obama
Meh, candidates have no chance to respond to each other, this is totally boring.
L. Ron Obama
Charlie Rose is a fucking moron
jon
@Judas Escargot: I had the Herman Cain High Energy Plan on vinyl.
fasteddie9318
@Dougerhead: It’s not the folksy thing, it’s his strict adherence to literal gibberish whenever he gets pressed on Plan 9. I speak two languages (counting English) and can understand about 3 or 4 others, but I can’t understand a fucking word that comes out of his mouth once he starts trying to defend that piece of shit.
lamh34
None of these guys really wants to be Prez (obviously). They aren’t even trying to get at Mitt. it’s obvious, that these debates are just fluffer. Perry was put in to take the sails out of Bachmann. Newt sourpuss face was a non-starter to begin with. Herman Cain was never gonna get it. Huntsman is a douche, Paul is crazy, and Santorum is a “frothy mix…”joke.
So since no one else is getting in the race, and the other candidates seem to be not even trying to dethrone Mittens, looks like Romney’s it.
Here’s my question, since the other candidates aren’t using the enormous amount of op-repo on Romeny to cut him down to size, I hope that he Obama/Biden campaign are girding their loins and just waiting out the nom process and then will “release the kracken” of op-research they have. Is there enough op-res for Obama to use to bring Mittens down?
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Raven (formerly stuckinred): Pretty hepatotoxic on its own, and thus quite dangerous when combined with even moderate amounts of alcohol.
Morzer
Romney’s clearly uploaded a human empathy app in recent days – and looks more alarmingly plastic than ever. Romney/HAL 2012!
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Yea, I hit the google. I don’t drink at all but I am creaky in the knees.
Morzer
Freedom-constricting tools bother Santorum….
Jim, Foolish Literalist
It can’t just be my liberal partisanship that makes me see Romney giving out vibes of soullessness. I can feel them through the TeeVee. I think Obama v. Romney would be a very close race, but… how can he not creep people out?
Mark S.
Tell us more.
handy
I ask:
What’s wrong with a little 999?
fasteddie9318
Has Charlie Rose’s Corpse been moderating all night, or did Charlie die of fright after listening to these imbeciles?
jl
@Jenny: After long stretches of Rose and Newt, anything looks good.
And other commmenters said she asked the best questions, but they aren’t letting her ask enough questions.
Wooof. Final segment comming up.
I turned off the sound again after Paul went after Cain for serving with the FED.
I guess new gimmick will be that the GOP candidates have to use gold for everything, or otherwise they are advocating totalitarian death Satan money.
arguingwithsignposts
Stupid ad copy: “If no one ever challenged the status quo, the earth would still be flat.”
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Raven (formerly stuckinred): If you can manage the GI havoc (primarily low level but long term) you’re probably better off with the nonsteroidals for the creaks. Ibuprofen is your friend. Unless, like me you have allergies to them.
And we’ve used glucosamine and chondroitin on creaky horse joints for decades, with much success. For cross species anecdata, in case you’re interested.
MikeJ
@handy: Switchboard Susan won’t you give me a line?
I need a doctor gimme 999
Bruce S
Good God – this horror show is sponsored by the Pete Peterson Foundation. As I said, Satan is behind this shit…
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I went to a MD in the ATL that worked with Navy Seals. She said “Seals believe glucosamine works, I’m not saying I do but they do”!
handy
@Morzer: @Morzer:
You know what else bothers Rick Santorum?
jl
Oh damn, Health care. Their ‘ideas’. I am supposed to know about that stuff. So, guess I have to listen to this mess. Go get a (Edit: stiff) drink first.
Ash Can
I’m not watching. Has the crowd cheered genocide and/or booed the Constitution yet?
piratedan
okay candidates, everyday americans are marching in the streets demanding tax reform and Iran is proven to be culpable in engaging in terrorist acts on American soil….. so based on this, what pie do you serve at the State Function welcoming the President of Rwanda?
Morzer
Well, the more I listen to this cluster-fuck of raving blowhardery, the more I understand how conspiracy theories about fluoride in the water seem credible:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-05/pinellas-county-florida-votes-no-fluoride-in-drinking-water/50673318/1
scav
@Raven (formerly stuckinred): add-on to @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) Also too, acetaminophen doesn’t have a lot of space between the doses you take per recommendations and where it starts being bad for you. That’s why you’ve got to be careful with it because it shows up on so many products which means youre taking more than you might otherwise think. Not all analgesics work the same for all people or all purposes, so if you need it, you take it, but it is one of the trickier ones.
fasteddie9318
Shorter Herb Cain: If we implement Plan 9, and we will because WOW!, then the shock of that will knock us into a parallel dimension where numbers aren’t numbers anymore, they’re letters! These economists who keep saying that my plan will explode the deficit and regressively strike the poor are stuck in a pre-letter/number mentality.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@Ash Can: Hardly any crowd action. This is strictly on the economy so that may be why.
piratedan
@Morzer: well its a well known fact that DDS is german for communist! geez, don’t you people read the interwebz?
Bruce S
Perry needs health care block grants to finance Texas’ huge lethal injection program.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@scav: I SHOULD know this stuff!
arguingwithsignposts
He wants to go back to Alan Fucking Greenspan! Really?!?!?
handy
@MikeJ:
F’n A right that’s the stuff!
Morzer
Herbal Cain, Frothy Mix, Job Crusher Romney, The Federal Tax Lawyer Legion Of Doom…. where do they find them?
Anya
@Jenny:
Is she David Shuster’s wife?
Morzer
Alan Greenspan was a disaster.. out of the mouths of babes and Ron Paul….
handy
@Ash Can:
Just to clarify. They never boo the constitution as a thing. They would only boo if it were actually read out loud.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@scav:” Dr. Neil Kaplowitz of the University of Southern California, co-author of the study, said, “I would urge the public not to exceed four grams a day. ”
So, 4000 milligrams may be ok, I never take more than 500.
JGabriel
I give up on the debate. These people are fucking crazy, and I can’t take anymore.
.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@Anya: Yes, I posted it upstream.
Bruce S
I endorse Ron Paul’s revulsion at Alan Greenspan, but I think he’s blowing smoke if he thinks it’s enough to return to the Gold Standard. America will never have sound money again until we return to wampum. Been downhill ever since…
lamh34
Welp…Cain is done. Alan Greenspan??? really Herman???/
JGabriel
@Anya: @Anya:
They’ve separated.
.
jl
OMG, gummint men not letting banks say their bad loans are worth what they say they are!
That will wreck everything.
Morzer
Michelle Bachmann is now a small business owner as well as a federal tax lawyer?
handy
@JGabriel:
You just gotta pick the right keyword for your drinking game. These things tend to be experienced a lot better that way.
Thoughtful Black Co-Citizen
@dslak: Yes. If you don’t shoot the TV soon he’ll think you sustained permanent brain damage.
Cliff in NH
Lean to the left .. now lean to the right LOL…
Cacti
@lamh34:
Romney’s history as a job-slashing vulture capitalist at Bain has barely been touched. Very 1 percent-ish that sort of work.
Morzer
Damn, Ron Paul actually admits Republicans can screw up too. Gingrich looks hugely disapproving.
amk
That fat fucker christie has endorsed that corporate fucker mittens.
Cliff in NH
This trader says tax cap gains as regular income!
Morzer
Karen Tumulty beasts Rick Perry as a corrupt big gubmint capitalist.
Morzer
@Cacti:
Huntsman brought it up – and Romney lied shamelessly.
Litlebritdifrnt2
Okay Perry counting on his fingers is just creepy.
ChrisNYC
I love that Perry just oozes “oh shit — specifics?!” terror when he’s asked anything having to do with any detail at all.
amk
So will perry be kicked back to the foul state he came from ? Someone should bring in bobby fucking jindal to replace him.
handy
@amk:
Perry is Texas roadkill.
Jenny
@JGabriel:
Yeah, 14 year age differences rarely work out.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@Jenny: Really, you have numbers on that?
Cacti
@Morzer:
Yeah, I saw Huntsman bring it up in passing.
I imagine if Mittens is the nominee, that topic is going to be explored a lot more fully in the general election. Most Gooper pols don’t see anything wrong with screwing over working folks, hence the lack of attacks on that front.
arguingwithsignposts
Noun, verb, tax lawyer, small business owner.
Cliff in NH
Cain is stupid.
scav
@Raven (formerly stuckinred): so just pay attention when you’re taking other stuff (especially cold medications) and as the HHGuideTTG says, Don’t Panic. I personally just default to ibuprofen for my standard pain reliever although I’m not entirely convinced it works as well for me. Somehow pain-relievers and toxicology strikes me as an entirely apt sub-thread here, no?
arguingwithsignposts
Obama is a “job killer.” Fuckin’ UE6 numbers, how do they work?
Anya
@Raven (formerly stuckinred): My bad. Did not see it.
@JGabriel: OH! I heard him talk about her and he seemed really, really proud of her.
Cliff in NH
Perry is a moron.
amk
@handy: so that crazy eyed kook of a ‘lady’ really laid on to him, huh ? Fuck, even a dead armadillo is better than this idjit.
Morzer
Santorum feels that poverty is not an economic issue. Doubtless he’s worn down by a long round of screwing the family pooch.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@scav: I pay no attention to topics.
Litlebritdifrnt2
Obamas tax policies? Taxes are the lowest now than they have ever been? How can these fuckers just sit up there and lie?
Gravenstone
@Raven (formerly stuckinred): Tylenol is bad for the liver in general. Combining it with alcohol is synergistic and very, very bad. That way lies liver transplants.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
Someone is flippin in the audience.
arguingwithsignposts
noun, verb, tax lawyer, small business owner, 23 foster kids.
piratedan
OT: something nice and succinct
http://front.moveon.org/what-if-everyone-saw-this-clip-of-robert-reich-exposing-7-gop-lies/?rc=fb.pm
Anya
@Jenny: That’s disgusting. Why would she marry someone who was an adult when she was still a child.
Fulcanelli
Is this the /r/gonewild thread?
Morzer
A bold plan! Any plan, so long as it’s bold! Charge of the Light Brigade II starring Herbal Cain!
jl
@Raven (formerly stuckinred): I turned it off after that. I will read about it tomorrow in the news. Hope the shark filled moat can hold off the audience.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@Gravenstone: Well, I personally think alcohol is terrible but since I drank like there was no tomorrow until I was 42 I usually don’t say much about it here.
Bruce S
Romney: I was a rich Mormon kid. Incredibly wealthy. My dad was a pretty good guy, but I chose to become a douchebag. I spent the Vietnam years trying to convince French people to join a cult. I’ve made hundreds of millions and fired hundreds of thousands. Why should I be President? Because I’m Mitt Romney and you’re not.
Morzer
@jl:
Alligators also too!
lamh34
so Perry is fizzling, and Cain is stupid. Bachmann has crazy eyes and Huntsman aint’ that funny. Newt is a bigotted and rcist as ever, and Santorum is just a “cleaner, boyishly handsome” version of Newt, so the coronation of Romney is set.
It’s seems like a better question is who will Romney pick as his running mate?
Ain’t no way Romney is picking Cain (what votes does he pic up by picking Cain as VP, it sure ain’t Black votes!). Palin’s out and if u can’t have the real thing, why would you want a substitute (Bachmann). Santorum’s “frothy mixe” problem is it for him. If Christie’s too “robust” to be POTUS, then how is being VP any better? Huntsman…um, 2 Mormons on one ticket…um no. Pawlenty…um, 2 boring douches on one ticket…um no.
So who does that leave?
Anya
@Cliff in NH: No, he just plays one for Repubicans.
amk
So after this cage fight, will ‘herb’ cain dumb it down further and just call his ‘plan’ a simple 9 ?
Cliff in NH
@Raven (formerly stuckinred):
42 Is the Answer!
Morzer
@lamh34:
Perry – to show off Mitt’s bipartisan credentials to our grateful press corps.
scav
@Raven (formerly stuckinred): but then how do you know you should be having the fun of breaking the rules if you don’t know what they are? It’s like skipping pebbles: every so often barely skimming the surface of relevance and then moving on in free-flight.
Bruce S
Rick Perry just quoted Langston Hughes. Of course, he probably has no idea.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@scav: gnight
jl
@lamh34: I’ll go for it. What does running for VP pay? Does it come with health insurance?
amk
@lamh34: well, there is always that charismatic bobby fucking jindal. Look at how many ‘the other’ votes he will pull in. Coronation emperor mittens.
cay
When she looks like Elizabeth Warren, will hot Euro chick just be Euro woman with a point? I’m so tired of being a walking pair of tits.
beltane
@lamh34: Romney will need someone with impeccable Christianist credentials to assuage the base, someone like that scary governor of Virginia.
lamh34
hmmm, so no questions about Black unemployment. I thought that was a subject near and dear to the hearts of the GOP candidates.
Oh wait, no Black unemployment is only important as a tool to bludgeon Obama with…nevermind.
parsimon
@lamh34: So who does that leave?
Marco Rubio.
Elliecat
Isn’t Bachmann’s “small business owner” title just due to her getting a share of the income/government subsidies generated by her father-in-law’s farms?
beltane
@jl: Oh yes. And you also get free, unlimited use of the undisclosed location of your choice.
Dougerhead
@cay:
Come on, we call Rick Perry an aging gigolo, we call Charlie Rose a walking corpse, I don’t see the sexism here.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@beltane: I was thinking just today, as people who you think would know better were babbling about Romney/Christie, that Romney needs a Southerner on his ticket, perhaps more than anybody since Virginia was the biggest state
Lockewasright
They’ve got no viable candidate. None.
piratedan
@parsimon: well who knows, maybe Scott Walker will be available?
Gravenstone
@parsimon:
Who has unequivocally ruled himself out of the 2012 VP race. Of course, Perry was swearing up and down he wasn’t going to run, right up until he did. So YMMV.
J. Michael Neal
@JGabriel: So you’re saying I have a chance?
amk
Is there any show on teevee that has monkeys flinging poo at each other ? That ought to be better than this fucking farce.
Judas Escargot
When I’m a drunken grandpa at Thanksgiving, I want to nod off at the table like Ron Paul.
L. Ron Obama
@cay: Euro chick was hot because of her followup questions. Also, are you saying Elizabeth Warren isn’t hot?
piratedan
@amk: probably time to break out old mst3k episodes then…..
ChrisNYC
@lamh34: I think it will be Cain.
The redstaters have been herded into liking him. E. Erickson and the rest of the TP frauds are soooo close to having a full employment grifter plan — book deals! TV shows! “think” tank seats — they can taste it. They’re gonna make sure that 2012 solidifies their place on the GOP gravy train. Newt has to stop funnelling off cash one of these days, right? Erick and his friends are angling for their own little piece of the pie — years and years of RINO fighting and all the delicious fundraising that goes with it. They got the hell away from Perry when it became clear that he was imploding — they need a proxy and Cain’s it.
Cain’s a-ok with the evangelicals, too. He’s not great but he can come up with some pretty good Islam and gay people hate when you give him a chance. Doesn’t have the fiery crazedness of a Santorum but they’ll take it.
They don’t think Cain will get black voters. They DO think that it will PROVE that the GOP is so totally not racist. I mean, they write this stuff on redstate all the time. For real.
Hob
“Charlie is too much of a candy ass to cut these jokers off when they go over time”
I haven’t watched Rose’s show in years, but he used to
be unable to go 30 seconds without interrupting his guests. Are you sure it’s really him?
Cliff in NH
fact checks coming up soon, this should be fun.
bonkers
@Bruce S:
Bravo. Should be a Dem ad. Perfect summation and remarkably true.
Cat Lady
@ChrisNYC:
If it’s Cain, the teatards will be comforted that he’s in his rightful place playing second fiddle to the white guy while saying they voted for him. I’m just not sure he can drum up the enthusiasm like Palin did. Mitt just isn’t going to get them fired up and ready to go.
Dougerhead
@Hob:
He tries to interrupt almost immediately, way before time has expired, but they ignore him then and then they continue to ignore him when they’re out of time as he clears his throat and makes that Charlie Rose trying to interrupt noise. Eventually the other moderators cut them off.
J. Michael Neal
@cay: Rest assured that at Balloon Juice, you may be . . .
God, even I have better taste than to finish that joke.
Judas Escargot
OMG! Dollar Thrifty will remain independent!
ChrisNYC
@Cat Lady: Totally agree on second fiddle. It is fascinating though. Same calculation with Palin in a way. “Get a GIRL in here! But! We don’t really have any of them — still — we need to find some girl for this goddamn ticket!”
Judas Escargot
Iowa bankers. Obama collapse. Small business owners. Dodd Frank! Debit Fee! Dirty Dealing!
Origuy
I think Michele is referring to Marcus’ pray-away-the-gay counseling business, of which she probably has a share.
JenJen
Missed the stupid GOP debate same way I’ve missed every stupid GOP debate this season (yay, me!) but this line from DougJ stuck out:
True story: I’ve served Charlie before, one time was a three-night stint at the fancy hotel I worked at. Raging alcoholic is putting it a bit mildly. Saw him on Morning Joe earlier today and my immediate thought was, “Wow, Charlie’s either hitting the sauce early today, or he’s still drunk from last night’s bender.”
lamh34
Hasn’t Rubo already said no (I know, in this case “no doesn’t always mean no”)
But it would be stupid of Rubio to do it now, IMHO. He waits til 2016, He has 4 years under his belt, and the Latino population is expected to just keep getting bigger which means that maybe the Latino voting population will also increase, and he could be at the top of the ticket instead of a 2nd fiddle.
Plus as I’ve said previously, not all Latinos vote alike, and Mexicans think differently than Dominicans, Domincans think differently than Puerto Ricans, Puerto Ricans think differently than Cubans…ya get my drift. Other than speaking the same language, their is not as much of a “shared experience” among the Latino community, IMHO, so Rubio being Hispanic may not be enough to bring a large majority over to Mittens side, especially with all the crap Mittens has been saying about immigration lately. Plus Rubio seems to be of the “I got mine, now you get your” Herman Cain-esque school of hard knocks when it comes to immigration.
Jenny
@JenJen: Was he a good tipper?
Thoughtful Black Co-Citizen
@Cliff in NH: Facts. Facts you say.
This was a GOP debate, ergo we shouldn’t be surprised if those fuckers lied about their names.
Cain
@amk:
Well you know if you turn it 90 degrees to the right, it looks like a male organ. I would say that’s a message right there!
hilts
@JenJen:
Charlie Rose is dumber than dirt and it’s time for PBS to show him the door.
amk
Australia parliament passes “divisive” carbon tax 74-72.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/world-asia-pacific-15269033
amk
@Cain: So he would be showing the finger to amurika with his member ?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@lamh34:
That just means he wants 1) to be able to say ‘I never wanted it’ if he doesn’t get it and 2) to keep his options open and look at poll numbers when Romney (probably) starts his vetting process
@JenJen: What does he drink? And that tipping question?
Joseph Nobles
@lamh34: Actually, I think it is Cain for veep. They were about this close to holding hands under the Table. I see it especially in how much Herman Cain took shot after shot tonight, far more than his newfound position in the polls deserved. By attacking Cain, everyone at the table showed that it was a fight for second place now, and Cain’s the frontrunner there.
ChrisNYC
Comment from redstate:
“Economics is not the strong point for any of these candidates.”
Lojasmo
@Dexter:
Tylenol plus alcohol could equal liver failure.
Ergo, no Tylenol…ever.
Mike in NC
@ChrisNYC:
Well, could these asswipes really fill all that time pontificating about yet more tax breaks for the rich?
ChrisNYC
Two more (from Hot Air):
(1) “It’s incredible to me we can’t find a tough, sharp, dynamic, attractive Republican candidate.”
Go figure!
(2) The blunt but catchy: “These candidates suck.”
Elie
@lamh34:
I am late to the party but y’all have me howling with laughter… ..
thank God I missed it…your reviews are much better and my head wont explode.
lamh34
@Joseph Nobles: if Romney picks Cain, then I suspect he knows that he will lose. There is absolutely NO WAY Romney picks Cain. I’d bet my life’s savings on it (doesn’t really amount to anything, my life’s savings is less than $100 thx to Katrina)
lamh34
ugh, I didn’t even watch that damn debate (just read live-blogs) and my head hurts like I’ve been drinking…lol.
so it’s off to bed for me, but here’s a little teaser to get our minds off of that crap-fest that was called a debate.
New official Avengers trailer: http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/10/11/the-avengers-trailer/
TJ Walker
“Perry just looks too much like an aging male prostitute.” That’s the funniest and most insightful thing I heard all night–and I watched the whole debate!
Judas Escargot
@Lojasmo:
IOKIYAR.
jurassicpork
I’ve compiled a list of 30 of the best political insults of all time. Enjoy.
PanAmerican
@ChrisNYC:
They’re so full of bullshit. In the current zeitgeist what those shit heels want is a law and order type. That was the love affair with Christie. Somebody to go club those damn hippies into line. His good party soldier endorsement of Mitts is worthless – everybody knows that guy is a fucking wimp. Ergo no Cain for the VP slot. For that matter his handlers will scratch anyone that medical science can prove is alive. Can’t show up a weak candidate and NOBODY wants an Ice Princess II.
Morzer
Some post-debate extra Texas goodness:
http://twitter.com/#!/CarrieNBCNews/status/123957182080364544
JGabriel
@J. Michael Neal: Sure, if I’m not in the room.
.
Yutsano
@fasteddie9318:
Hermie went through the Phantom Tollbooth??
Ian
@lamh34:
A google search of Mittens would bring him down.
My favorite video is when a man comes up to mittens and asks him why he can not have MMJ to ease his suffering. Mittens ignores the man, and is followed around by a dude in a wheelchair asking “why can’t I have my pain medicine?”
Ian
@handy:
@amk:
@lamh34:
Full of the hate on ‘fat’ people. Sweet. Totally. Awesome.
Do we move onto Cain is a N*****r next? Or do we choose which levels of bigotry offend us and which we find hilarious?
Lojasmo
@Ian:
We have been over this numerous times. Obesity is not an immutable genetic trait. “Race” is. This, from a fat guy.
FlipYrWhig
GOP VP = Bob McDonnell. He’ll do it to build name recognition for a 2016 run.
Chinn Romney
Favorite moment for me, my man Barney Frank coming to Newt’s defense:
“He’s been having a bad year, you know — this self-styled intellectual leader of the free world struggling to stay ahead of Michele Bachmann in the polls is unsettling him so he talks even sillier than he sometimes does,” he said.
chopper
@lamh34:
from a pure-GOP standpoint christie would make the most sense, but romney’s going to be bleeding conservative support throughout the whole general if he can’t scare the shit out of goopers re: obama. and romney just isn’t that good at frightening conservatives into voting for him.
so he’ll go with option #2, pull a mccain and pick some conservative wacko to get some decent GOP turnout in the general. worked well last time, right?
JenJen
@Jenny: @Jim, Foolish Literalist: If I recall correctly, Charlie’s a dry martini guy, Bombay Sapphire or Plymouth, up.
And he was a great tipper! Alcoholics usually are.
Matt
Romney has the best chance against Obama in 2012. While his health care plan in Mass is a mess, he’s the most polished and has the most experience with the economic issues our country faces. They’re running a poll over here on this very issue…jabbermap.com/?p=344a