Folks, when even Bloomberg is calling out the GOP master debaters last night for two hours of constant lying, we may have reached something of a tipping point.
Mitt Romney, Rick Perry and the other Republican presidential candidates stretched the truth on health care, job creation and the deficit in a debate last night as they attacked each other and President Barack Obama.
Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, said Obama’s health-care law would increase spending by $1 trillion, while Texas Governor Perry said he would make America energy independent. Former Godfather’s Pizza chief executive Herman Cain argued that his “9-9-9” tax plan is revenue neutral.
Those are among the statements by the White House contenders that strayed from the truth as the candidates sought to distinguish themselves on jobs and the economy, the focus of the debate at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire, sponsored by Bloomberg News and The Washington Post.
And they dinged almost everybody: Perry, Bachmann, Romney, Cain, Paul, Huntsman and Gingrich all told whoppers (Santorum apparently was just a asshole who wants to go to war with China.) Most of all, the debate revealed just how staggeringly economically illiterate the Clown Car Crew is. But hey, what do you expect from the party dedicated to destroying the economy in order to win politically?
Reality Check
It’s looking more and more like Romney/Cain 2012. Two businessmen from the private sector up against two lifetime professional politicians who never held a real job until national office, and only know how to suck off the public teat instead of create wealth and jobs.
Obama is now a lame duck. His new massive spending bill is dead, together with his tax hikes and his political career. He’s toast, baby.
BGinCHI
Sigh. As if we have to treat these thieves like actual sincere, knowledgeable people who actually want to govern.
No.
They want to loot the country. They want to use the economy to concentrate wealth at the top. It’s not a bug of our American Capitalist system. It’s not a conspiracy.
It’s a feature. C.R.E.A.M.
gogol's wife
Okay, DougJ instantly banned somebody the other day for implying that OWS women were fat. But are we going to have to read 6000 ridiculous comments by Reality Check?
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@Reality Check: Glad to know teaching is not a real job. I’ll let all of the “teachers” here talk to you about that one.
gogol's wife
And by the way, I do enjoy your posts, Zandar. They keep it from being all-OWS, all the time.
Ash Can
I’ve always considered Bloomberg to be a fairly decent business news source — kind of like the WSJ used to be. The husband likes to turn Bloomberg TV on in the AM, and their broadcasts, as far as I can tell, are blissfully free of political commentary of any kind. I hope they keep up the good work, and don’t fall under the spell or control of the Rupert Murdochs of the world.
Reality Check
@Belafon (formerly anonevent):
In the Public Skools? No, for the most part, it’s not a real job. It’s been reduced to babysitting/PC indoctrination. I don’t think such a job requires sweetheart pensions and benefits. I say pay standard babysitting rates, or get our schools back up to snuff like they used to be before liberal education policies ruined them. Too much emphasis on “self-esteem”, “equality”, “GLBTLMNOP issues”, and other rot and not enough focus on math and science.
General Stuck
Conservatives are no longer running the GOP circus. That would be the tea party, who sport rally signs calling for “government to keep it’s hands of my medicare” and Obama half nekkid with a ring through his nose. It is the only unifying energy the wingnuts have, since there 30 year adventure to install venerable conservative theory for permanent majority turned to shit with TARP, Iraq, and other assorted man made disasters.
The candidate are all just dancing to the crazy tune of Glen Beck and company, in some kind of demented Alice through the looking glass. The only news is when these subservient motherfuckers actually tell the truth about something, and get struck with a tea tard lightening bolt.
If, as it looks now, Mitt Romney gets the nomination, flip flopping will have to be renamed as contortion politics, and the dude will be a walking demonstration of multiple personality disorder, and if Perry wins, he will nuke Iran cause he can’t spell Achmahandjob, and just because.
FlipYrWhig
Mitt would have been a lifelong professional politician if only he had, you know, won, more than once.
cleek
lying in support of “conservatism” is no sin.
Emma
@Reality Check: Oh yeah. Bring it on. Two private sector businessmen — one whose fortune is built on daddy’s money and firing people and the other who speaks economic word salad. I can just see the debates!
Ash Can
@gogol’s wife: Wait, what? Somebody gets banned for saying OWS women are fat, yet some teenager who admits to being a troll is permitted to endlessly spam threads, and another troll who advocates violence against women is untouched?
WHAT??
gogol's wife
@Ash Can:
I experienced a little cognitive dissonance.
Rafer Janders
So they “stretched the truth”. They made “statements that strayed from the truth.”
For god’s sake, can’t the reporters just write “they lied”? That they “made statements that were untrue”? This constant weasel-wording is itself a form of lying, because it pretends that something blatant and unequivocal — a lie — is instead something else, a mere “stretching”, a “straying”, that it’s still the truth but just a little off-side of it.
Carnacki
@Reality Check: Your reality check bounces
Alex
Were there any factually correct statements from the debate last night?
gogol's wife
@Alex:
That 999 upside down is 666. (I didn’t watch the debate, but I can answer this question.)
boss bitch
Speaking of clowns:
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/10/12/341648/tennessee-sponsor-of-guns-in-bars-law-arrested-for-driving-drunk-with-a-gun/
Mike Goetz
And yet the lies won’t matter a jot.
“At this crisis, when the life of the city had been thrown into utter confusion, human nature, now triumphant over the laws, and accustomed even in spite of the laws to do wrong, took delight in showing that its passions were ungovernable, that it was stronger than justice and an enemy to all superiority.”
– Thucydides
amk
@Reality Check: Don’t you pitiful paultards have your own fucking blog instead of sucking on other blogs’ teats ? Fuck off asshole.
Ash Can
@Reality Check: I’m the parent of a child at a public grade school that evidently imparts a better education than you’ve ever received in your entire life. I’d try to explain to you how badly you’re embarrassing yourself here, but there’s no way you’d begin to understand it. So, just keep digging.
BGinCHI
Please don’t feed the stupid fucking troll.
Zifnab
@Rafer Janders:
Nah, it just lets the politician play the “This was not intended to be a factual statement” card, and then the reporter gets called out for playing “GOTCHA!”
JGabriel
Zandar @ Top:
Next Bloomberg Headline: RNC Announces NO More Debates With Bloomberg.
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Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@Reality Check: Yeah, let’s talk about that, with my son up till one in the morning doing homework. When he gets to the part of the physics class dealing wtih terminal velocity, I will be volunteering your for the experiments.
Roger Moore
@Belafon (formerly anonevent):
And giving foreign investment advice, which Obama did after graduating from Columbia, isn’t either.
Reality Check
@amk:
Paultard? You think I’m a Paultard?
No, this is a Paultard.
“See this is a Republic not a democracy the FED is the problem, the FED is printing too much FED money FIAT MONEY we need GOLD is the answer before the final collapse also buy HYBRID SEEDS and watch the ZEITGEIST MOVIE!!!! DOWN WITH TEH FED AND TEH EMPIRE!!11” Oh yeah–TEH FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!
amk
@boss bitch: It’s the same story will all these punk rethugs, who sermonize too much in public. dui, battery & assault, wife/gf beating, extra-marital affairs etc. etc.
Reality Check
Yes, our public schools are so great they’re routinely ranked near the bottom of the developed world despite the fact we spend more money per pupil than any other country. Yeah, Publick Skool teachers ROCK!
JGabriel
@Alex:
From the candidates? I can’t remember any. But I missed the last half hour, because my brain threatened to shut down my lungs if I didn’t stop watching.
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Ash Can
@Rafer Janders: Not that I disagree, but I’ll take baby steps over the status quo any day of the week.
Zifnab
And in deferrence to “Reality Check”, it’s not like Obama has a lock on the Presidency right now. You’ve got a number of states pushing draconian anti-voting laws, a corporate culture ready to dump hundreds of millions of dollars into an anti-Obama media ad blitz, and a previous election cycle that would suggest the Democrats aren’t so terribly popular that the public won’t snap back the House majority and hand it to the Tea Party Patriot Party.
Given the sheer volume of stupid radiating off the current GOP field, and the rather stunning divergence between primary voters and people living in reality, Obama’s odds are better than they could be. But poo-pooing RC for suggesting Obama might lose is… hasty.
amk
@Reality Check: Sorry to have offended you. You are a clueless moron of a troll. There, is that better ?
Reality Check
Question:
Since the federal Department of Education was established, have our schools actually gotten any better? Don’t try to think about that too hard. It may lead you to thinking for yourself and questioning progressive orthodoxy.
Ash Can
@BGinCHI:
Sorry, I get these leg spasms once in a while…
scav
Ah yes, the multiple joys of watching the anti-Climate Change partie-de l’ignorance authentique calling for mare science being taught; xians arguing that the real message of the good Samaritan is to check for legal immigration papers and the miracle of the loaves and the fishes is the lesson of letting the crowd starve so as to teach the parable of the bootstraps. Oh, and chex_mix giving his highly valued good housekeeping seal of acceptable and non-acceptable indoctrination.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@BGinCHI: If you can guarantee the troll isn’t fucking, then I’ll stop. Otherwise, I’ve got to try make sure his kids don’t turn out as fucked up as he is.
Reality Check
“xians”? And these are the people that bitch about “Democrat Party”?
BGinCHI
@Ash Can: Let’s talk about Reality Check’s stupid assumptions and how he/she came to them, but let’s ignore him/her directly.
Obviously RC doesn’t have any clue about education. And he/she is also probably very ugly with poor personal hygiene.
Can anyone think of anything else?
eemom
why iz my posts getting eated??
Villago Delenda Est
Seriously, what do you expect? Their audience is made up of poeple who confuse quotes from Adam Smith with quotes from Karl Marx. These people CELEBRATE their ignorance, wear it as a badge of honor.
The stupidity of the Clown Car Crew is a feature, not a bug, to the idiots of the right.
Reality Check
@BGinCHI:
Ugly with poor personal hygeine? No, you’re thinking of the “Occupy” thugs, or maybe UAW members.
JPK
@BGinCHI: He’s probably lonely because he doesn’t have any friends.
Ash Can
@Reality Check: You do realize that the rest of “the developed world” has far more extensive government involvement in, and public financing of, its public education systems, right? So now you’re going all socIalist on us? Wow, big change for you. Congrats.
scav
@BGinCHI: he and his owners are getting a tad worried. The flop-sweat and level of agitation is rising. Funny how you can hear them getting all squeaky even in text posts.
eemom
post eated check…..
ETA: this is fucked up.
Quarks
@Reality Check: Well, based on your grasp of standard American English grammar and spelling, if you attended schools after that moment, I’m going with no.
On the other hand, based on your comments on this post, I’m inclined to think that your grammar/spelling issues are less the fault of the U.S. Department of Education, and more the fault of your lack of learning skills.
jwest
Well, at least one liar is getting what he deserves:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/12/issa-issues-subpoena-to-holder-in-fast-and-furious-investigation/
Villago Delenda Est
@Reality Check:
I give you an example of said ignorance and stupidity, right here.
Reality Check
@Quarks:
This is the comments section of an internet blog, not a term paper numbnuts.
Yutsano
@eemom: I blame Obama.
cleek
congratulations on a successful thread hijack, RC.
Rafer Janders
@Reality Check:
Tsk tsk. I see SOMEBODY doesn’t believe in American Exceptionalism….
Seriously, why is it always blame America first with these right-wingers? Why they always gotta be knockin’ America down?
JGabriel
@Reality Check:
Right, because conservatives are big supporters of teaching evolution.
Reality Check:
Actually, we rank about third or fourth in spending and in the middle in testing.
More to the point, it’s a meaningless metric. Education costs are primarily teacher’s salaries, and therefore track with a country’s per capita income rather than its education quality.
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Bill E Pilgrim
I for one think that Obama has pretty much booted things since he took office, especially economically, and I still look forward to watching him kick Rommey’s butt all over next year and back.
As I’ve said before, Romney has Bob Dole written all over him.
That’s the amazing thing, with the economy this bad, this election was the GOP’s for the taking. And they nominate Mitt Romney??
When the history is written the irony won’t be missed that in the year of the GOP gone utterly bananas, the party elders overreacted by rallying the Villagers to nominate someone whose own health care plan was partly the blueprint for the one that the entire GOP field, including he himself, is busy foaming at the mouth denouncing.
Yeah this is going to be fun.
slag
So…it’s going to be one of those kinds of days, is it? Yay.
Dustin
RC: You DO realize that the term xian is a shorthand that’s been in use to refer to Christians and Christian texts by priests and the faithful since at least the mid 1600’s, and that it’s root is the fact that the Greek word for Christian starts with an x, don’t you? Screw that, who am I kidding? RC’s a complete troll with no grasp of economics, history, or grammar. Don’t address them directly.
If historians look back at this point in history and wonder what went wrong all they need to do is look at the disdain for reality so prevalent with these sanctimonious fucks. It’s getting to the point where I can’t even talk to my GOP relatives without wanting to smack them upside the head and correct them like they’re ignorant children. It’s safe to say that the modern GOP has made “I’m a dumbass” a marketable skill.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
It would be nice if the public cared that they were all lying. I am glad that Bloomberg is calling them out, but they’re probably not considered conservative anymore anyway.
Ash Can
@cleek: Yes, the fact that RC is bloviating about public education in a thread about LIES TOLD BY REPUBLICANS is not lost on me.
And how about that jwest and his outstanding links? See, Reality Check? That’s how to do it!
There’s no way jwest isn’t a spoof. His links are just too fucking funny.
Chris
@Reality Check:
That’s… a run of the mill conservative, dude.
With an abnormal and perhaps psychologically dysfunctional obsession with one or two issues, similar to Tokoloko’s fixation on ED Kain and America’s fat white ass, but still a perfectly conservative outlook. The big central government institution is the problem, the solution’s to go back to something we had in the past because things were ALWAYS better in the past, and oh yeah, “we’re a REPUBLIC not a DEMOCRACY!!!”
Quarks
@Reality Check: Ah, the intellectual response. How nice!
Yutsano
@Ash Can: You mean his links that three fourths of the time don’t say what he’s trying to assert? Color me shocked, SHOCKED I tell you!
Emma
@jwest: Anybody who celebrates anything Issa does has jumped the shark beyond redemption. If it comes out of that man’s mouth, it’s a lie.
jwest
@Emma:
It’s that lying under oath that democrats have trouble with.
Reality Check
@Dustin:
And you do know that Lyndon Johnson always said “Democrat Party”, right?
Dustin
I never addressed the “Democrat” line, idiot. Try again. As for the whole “let’s pay teachers babysitters rates” line let’s just say those morons don’t have a clue what they’re offering.
Let’s break it down:
Last I checked teachers make an average of about $48k a years. Babysitters get payed, on the low end, $3 an hour per child. Not counting training or planning, teachers work about 6.5 hours a day 180 days a year.
Given that formula let’s see what we get when we plug the formula.
At 6.5 hours a day times $3 that comes out to $19.5 per child per day. Multiply that by 180 days and you get $3,510 per child per year.
Not too bad, but nothing you can live on. Oh wait, they “babysit” about 30 kids? Well, that brings things to $105,300 per year. Teachers are currently making, on average, not even half of that.
So tell me again you want to pay teachers what you’d pay babysitters to watch your kids. Go ahead, be a fucking moron again.
Chris
@Reality Check:
… There’s a progressive orthodoxy?
Is there, like, a book I can read or a pamphlet I can skim, or at least a Wikipedia article that’ll give me the CliffNotes? I thought we were a circular firing squad that opened fire at the first disagreement over, y’know, anything.
Hoodie
@Reality Check: Why is that wingnuts automatically assume that generic “business” experience automatically qualifies someone to be a chief political executive for a superpower? Even looking at business, being successful in one line of business doesn’t mean you’re qualified for another line of business.
Romney inherited money and knows how to make more by firing people; looking at his business experience, he isn’t qualified to replace Steve Jobs at Apple, let alone be president. Hell, Romney’s experience as MA gov is more relevant, and he’s running away from that as fast as possible. Cain knows how to sell pizza, the essence of which is gimmickry that gets people to spend ridiculous sums for bread smeared with canned tomato sauce and low-quality cheese. His political pitch simply replicates that kind of gimmickry in the form of “9-9-9” and other assorted nonsense. How his “business” experience qualifies him to be president is beyond me.
cleek
@Ash Can:
it’s all pie to me
Bill E Pilgrim
@Reality Check:
Really? So do you run around in December yelling at all the storefront signs and newspapers that use the word “Xmas”?
Ash Can
@Yutsano: Shorter jwest: “I got nuthin’.”
Senyrodave
@Reality Check: I’ll let my wife know that for the last 11 years of her life as a kindergarten teacher she wasn’t really working. Teaching children to read who came in speaking no English was just babysitting. I’d like to say there is a special place in hell for creatures like yourself, but I suspect even Satan wouldn’t want the likes of you. To quote the Magic Word, “Fuck the fucking fuckers”. This applies to you.
handy
Cool maybe I’ll ring up Number One Observatory and order a the Nine Nine Nine special: Nine slices, nine toppings, for just 9.99–no tax of course. I wonder if Vice President Private Sector will offer free delivery too.
Chris Grrr™
@Belafon (formerly anonevent): It seems to me that there’s no embarrassment at all anymore in believing that all politicians are liars. That dovetails with “both sides do it”…
The thing I still can’t get over is how the party that claims the higher ground on principles and ethics has seized onto “by any means necessary” / the ends justifying the means. As if Jesus, back in the day, said anything and everything to ensnare his listeners and get ’em into the fold.
Yutsano
@Ash Can: His links are half his comedy sometimes. And Issa is doing it wrong. He didn’t scream immediately for Holder’s head before conducting an actual investigation. That goes against Wingnut Tactics 101.
jwest
@Ash Can:
I got nuthin’ but the Attorney General of the United States caught lying under oath to Congressional Committee about a politically motivated program responsible for the deaths of over 200 people.
On video tape.
With emails.
Will he give up Rahm or even Obama? All depends on if he hires a good lawyer.
Lee
@Villago Delenda Est:
I thought the same thing. What a perfect example of ignorance. My guess it is also an example of proud ignorance.
Yutsano
@jwest:
LOLWUT?
4tehlulz
jwest is mad that Holder stopped a terrorist attack, as expected.
handy
@jwest:
I heard he knows who killed Vince Foster too. This should get really interesting.
Ash Can
@Yutsano: It’s classic. He comes here to argue a point, and uses as evidence to back his point up…Fox Right-Wing Entertainment and Darrell Issa. A dyed-in-the-wool liberal couldn’t script this shit better.
cckids
@Dustin:
Wow, this is so true. And I just cannot talk to my dad like that! So we talk less & I have to militantly steer clear of anything political. It is very tiring. Fox “News” is killing this country.
Edited because blockquote fail
Chris
@Hoodie:
Question is, what’s with the love affair for failed businessmen? Like, Bush didn’t exactly have a stellar track record before he went into politics.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Hmm Reality Check full of bluster and rage this morning like a little toad trying hide how small he is. Looks like John’st observation the entire GOP is a lying bunch of loons hit home.
Anyway Reality Check – with all your CEO worship it’s pretty clear you’ve never worked in the private sector. CEO’s don’t manage companies, they manage their own careers. Both Mittens and Cain were likely hired because they knew the right people on the board of directors and talked good. All the real decisions were done by their VPs, most likely the CFO. President Mittens will make GW Bush look like Teddy Roosevelt.
And here is another pro-tip Reality Check- a lot of companies hire minorities for CEO’s for various government tax breaks. But of course you know Cain is a Token anyway.
Brian R.
That Bloomberg piece has the reporter and editor’s emails at the bottom. Be sure to drop them a friendly note of appreciation.
jwest
@Yutsano:
For some reason, the ATF instituted a program to not only allow, but in some cases pay for assault weapons to be sold to straw purchasers that ended up in the hands of Mexican drug gangs. The stated purpose was to track the weapons to see who the “big fish” were.
The trouble is, no attempt was ever made to track the guns. ATF agents who decided to track them on their own time were order to stop. No arrests were made of anyone higher up the food chain in the gun smuggling operation, even though more than 2000 weapons were purchased. The guns started to turn up at the murder scenes of drug gang activity in Mexico and one was used in the killing of an ATF agent.
If the purpose of the operation was to track the guns, why wasn’t any tracking done? Why would agents be ordered not to track anything on their own time?
If the purpose of this exercise was to flood U.S. weapons into the drug cartels to make the case that stricter gun control laws are needed, someone has a problem. The former head of the ATF has bypassed the DOJ and testified to Issa’s committee. DOJ has obfuscated and obstructed from the beginning. Did Holder do this on his own or was he acting under orders from then Chief of Staff Rahm Immanuel or even Obama?
Holder will get the opportunity to explain how he was involved and if he was acting on his own or under the direction of someone else.
Brian R.
@Belafon (formerly anonevent):
You think any woman in her right mind would want to fuck a miserable asshole like that?
Yutsano
@jwest:
I want my impeachment and I want it NOW goddammit!!
Southern Beale
Mitt Romney keeps telling us “I know how to create jobs,” and I keep waiting for someone at one of these millions of debates to ask him about all the people who lost their jobs when Bain Capital took over their companies.
Southern Beale
Speaking of guns, we have some big news here in Tennessee. Republican House Rep. Curry Todd, the author of our lovely “guns in bars” bill (and the TN state rep for ALEC, which no doubt shoved this bill down our throats) got arrested last night for drunk driving and possession of a loaded firearm.
Woopsies.
jwest
@Yutsano:
No impeachment. Obama doesn’t stand a chance of reelection as it is.
But it would be good to have a few Chicago Thug scalps on the wall as a souvenir.
Carnacki
@Dustin: Your facts have a known liberal bias
cckids
@Southern Beale: Didn’t Huntsman make a feeble attempt at that last night? Mitt brushed it right off & no one followed up, so. . .
amk
@Brian R.: Just did. E-mailed her. She did a good job. She deserves the kudos.
jwest
@Southern Beale:
Oh Noes! We conservatives might lose this guy. However, imagine the embarrassment someone in Tennessee would experience if they were picked up for drunk driving and were unarmed.
That only leaves us one short of about 500 other state representative seats we picked up in 2010.
grandpajohn
@Chris: You forgot the time spent grading papers, preparing lesson plans ,doing before or after school bus duty, time spent in attending required courses to upgrade certificates and teaching techniques.
Selling or collecting tickets at athletic and school events, being sponsors for after school clubs and organizations, etc, etc.
DBrown
@Reality Check:This troll’s only form of sex is typing at the keyboard while it jerks off in its mother’s basement – I can only think how thankful the mother must be since she doesn’t have to deal with this loser while it trolls here …
Southern Beale
@cckids:
Like I watched it? Don’t ask me.
I was watching “The Biggest Loser,” which by virtue of its name should be about the Republican presidential field.
:-)
Rafer Janders
@Dustin:
Nicely done, but I want to comment on this: “Not counting training or planning, teachers work about 6.5 hours a day 180 days a year.”
I know you realize this, but just for others, that’s a pretty big “not counting.” The 6.5 hours only counts hours spent during the official school day — but that’s not when the work day stops for teachers, since they have to take a lot of work home with them in the form of tests and papers to grade and lessons to plan.
Brian R.
And not counting planting, watering, tending, and harvesting, farmers only work 5.0 hours a day 120 days a year.
It’s fun to generalize when you don’t have a fucking clue what you’re talking about. No wonder conservatism attracts so many idiots.
pete
@Rafer Janders: My sister, who was then a middle-school teacher, once kept track of her hours for a school year. She easily topped 2000, I can’t recall the exact number. For the education impaired, that’s 40 x 50, or as much as a full-time job, 8 hours a day, with two weeks vacation a year. Actually, she got screwed out of her vacation, not to mention overtime, but that’s another issue.
Judas Escargot
@Reality Check:
I prefer to call it ROMNEYCAINE. They could post Burma-shave style ads along all the highways (the ad copy just writes itself):
Have you Got/Thoughts in your Brain?/Never fear…/Try ROMNEYCAINE!
Think the Poor/Don’t have enough Pain?/We agree!/Try ROMNEYCAINE!
Are you rich/And have no Shame?/Fuck ’em all/Vote ROMNEYCAINE!
Morzer
@jwest:
Still polishing Karl Rove’s turds with your tongue, Westie? How is your branch meeting of the ignorant tight-ass club going?
rikryah
these sociopaths only know how to lie
TenguPhule
The Perpetual Motion Spinning Machine.
Grand Poohba for Life Obama will simply order them hooked up to a generator to generate endless amounts of free electricity.
Felinious Wench
@grandpajohn:
You forgot the time spent grading papers, preparing lesson plans ,doing before or after school bus duty, time spent in attending required courses to upgrade certificates and teaching techniques.Just ignore the troll thingy. I’m married to an AP Government and Economics teacher who is also a coach. The hours he works with his kids are unreal, I gave up counting years ago. He can also make any conservative look like a complete idiot in a debate, then deliver a physical correction as reinforcement afterwards.
Billy Rae Valentine
wow. this thread definitely got hijacked. it’s tough to keep your emotions in check all the time, i guess.
anyway, Obama was a college professor for 10 years. some of that he did while also being a state senator.
somehow he not only gets no credit for that (“he’s just a community organizer”) but also gets dissed for it? wow. teaching is not a job? not even a college professor?
anyway i missed these debates. caught the last one and i think it is very eye-opening/fascinating to watch. i think more of us should watch this stuff but i guess you guys feel you already know enough of your political enemies’ viewpoints and goings-on. idk i get a lot out of learning more of that other side’s rational and irrational mind.
Dustin
@99: The whole “don’t count most of what teacher’s do as work” is a common Republican tactic. They often only consider front-of-the-class time as work, so I wanted the equation to neutralize that argument. I wanted to show that, even on the absolute lowest end of the scale, everything their way, they’re still demanding to pay teachers double present wages because they’re too stupid to do the math. The argument is an attempt to belittle teachers but all it does is show that they’re fools and/or propangandizing sociopaths.