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Afternoon Thread Of Openness

by Zandar|  October 21, 20113:06 pm| 65 Comments

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  1. 1.

    seanindc

    October 21, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    Blizzcon Update – New Expansion – Mists of Panderia – level cap up to 90 – New Race: Panderan / New Class: Monk – If you sign up for a one-year WoW subscription, you get Diablo 3 FOR FREE. Color me excited.

  2. 2.

    WereBear

    October 21, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    I have a bleg going:

    Remember the three week old kitten I rescued last year? Well, my friend’s family started feeding a stray cat with an uncanny resemblance to my little kitten boy… and she has three kittens, too! She and her kittens got trapped this weekend, now at a vet who was flooded out during Hurricane Irene… but is valiantly battling on.

    We wouldn’t have troubled her, except the shelters were overwhelmed. So if you ever said to yourself, Oh, if only I had a kitten like the lovebug, Tristan… here you go.

    Already placed one, three to go. Momma cat is a real cuddler, the vet reports, and the kittens are taming up beautifully.

    Save Tristan’s Relatives!

    I WILL DELIVER YOUR KITTY to the NYC Metro Area or New England, as the case may be.

  3. 3.

    Sentient Puddle

    October 21, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    @seanindc: Blizzard just trolled the fuck out of us. I, for one, am laughing hard.

    Trailer for those who still don’t believe it.

  4. 4.

    pragmatism

    October 21, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    i, for one, like reading comprehension.

  5. 5.

    Uncle Clarence Thomas

    October 21, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    .
    .
    Friday Hate Roundup  
    Unfortunately, emoballoonbaggers will not be able to tell Mr. Steven P. Jobs to Die In A Fire or to Fuck Off And Die after learning that he told President Obama to his face that “You’re headed for a one-term presidency,” because Mr. Jobs is already dead from pancreatic cancer.
    .
    .

  6. 6.

    schrodinger's cat

    October 21, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    @WereBear: What is the best way to contact you if someone wants to give the kittehs a home?

  7. 7.

    Comrade Mary

    October 21, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    Physicists and cats in the same thread — hoocoodanode?

  8. 8.

    Hill Dweller

    October 21, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    Romney, who has a knack for looking stupid when it comes to foreign policy, is attacking Obama for leaving Iraq.

  9. 9.

    schrodinger's cat

    October 21, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    Hey, I like physics and physicists, thanks

    Physics rules!

  10. 10.

    seanindc

    October 21, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    @Sentient Puddle:

    I was reading somewhere that the Panderans will be Faction Neutral…

  11. 11.

    WereBear

    October 21, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: I have a Contact Webform:

    http://wayofcats.com/our_contact.html

    And you have thrilled me with your Cheezburger post… it got picked up for the cheeztowncryer, too! Thank you so much!

    And for all those wondering if they should get one of the amaaaaaaaaaaazing kittehs; the one I rescued is a delightfully affectionate boy who demands to have his belly kissed every day.

    Act now!

  12. 12.

    jeffreyw

    October 21, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    Need kittehs, moar kittehs! Ol’ Blue eye.

  13. 13.

    schrodinger's cat

    October 21, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    @WereBear:
    Yes I asked Bluesfan to post it. If you want to add anything to the posted message let me know and I will pass it along.
    More Physics and kitteh fun
    http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/07/10/funny-pictures-and-stuffs/

  14. 14.

    Sentient Puddle

    October 21, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    @seanindc: Probably something to that effect if they’re going to be the only new playable race. I would imagine it’s something more like they get to choose which faction to join, but this of course is just pure speculation over something that might have already been announced when I wasn’t paying attention.

  15. 15.

    lamh34

    October 21, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    saw some military dude on CNN, and I know what the new meme will be for neo-cons. Dude said this is a good thing for “individual soldiers” who get to come home from Iraq, but it’s a “stategic mistake”.

    I expect to hear this everywhere the neo-cons dwell. ya heard it here first.

  16. 16.

    Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason

    October 21, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Physics rules!

    Or Physics doesn’t rule, no way of really knowing, until you open the box.

  17. 17.

    nancydarling

    October 21, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: This may seem like a stupid question, but it is sincere. If we were capable of inter-galactic space travel and our craft came near “dark matter” would it suck us in like a black hole? Or would it be like running into a wall? Any one with a reasonable answer is welcome to chime in.

    Since we are talking cats, my cat Max (a rescue) has a best friend, Mijo (also a rescue) who weighs nearly 90 pounds. Every night at bed time, Max washes Mijo’s face and ears. Max is very fastidious—Mijo not so much.

  18. 18.

    Hill Dweller

    October 21, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    @lamh34: The stooges running for the Republican nomination are already accusing Obama of making a political decision that defied the military’s wishes.

    The Republican party is full of vile, soulless people.

  19. 19.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 21, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Cool news on the Blizz front. I expected the next level cap to be 90. Pandarans playable by both factions?

    News from the real world: Surprise! Eric Cantor is a cowardly shit!

  20. 20.

    S. cerevisiae

    October 21, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Physics has always interested me, particularly astrophysics and cosmology. It’s been a really interesting time since Cosmos came out; string theory, dark matter, dark energy, M theory, the pursuit of the Higgs – all really cool stuff. I can’t understand the math but I try to grasp what I can.

  21. 21.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 21, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    @lamh34:

    The “strategic mistake” was committed eight and a half years ago by invading in the first place.

  22. 22.

    khead

    October 21, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    Giles County, VA really needs to get some better lawyers.

    http://www.wdbj7.com/news/wdbj7-giles-co-school-board-says-it-didnt-display-ten-commandments-20111020,0,7069253.story

    http://www.wtop.com/?nid=120&sid=2390563

  23. 23.

    Rosalita

    October 21, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    @WereBear: I wonder what it is about Hurricane Irene? We had five drops offs at our shelter before it even fully hit CT. “Tempest” and “Whirlwind” have been placed but “Irene”, “Gale” “Typhoon” are still with us.

    Breaks my heart to see so many animals left behind.

  24. 24.

    schrodinger's cat

    October 21, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    @nancydarling: If we were capable of inter-galactic space travel and our craft came near “dark matter” would it suck us in like a black hole? Or would it be like running into a wall? Any one with a reasonable answer is welcome to chime in.

    No it is not a stupid question at all. I think it is called dark matter, because it cannot be detected by optical means, i.e. does not radiate any energy. I don’t think we still have a good handle on what dark matter and energy really is. I certainly don’t.

  25. 25.

    Amir Khalid

    October 21, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:
    Thy link worketh not. Willst thou fix it?

  26. 26.

    WereBear

    October 21, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    @nancydarling: has a best friend, Mijo (also a rescue) who weighs nearly 90 pounds

    I’m hoping that weight is a typo…

    Oh, wait… it’s a dog? Right?

    Blew my mind there…

  27. 27.

    nancydarling

    October 21, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    @WereBear: No, it’s true. Mijo is NOT a cat. He’s a big ol’ yeller dog. Actually he looks a lot like Lily super-sized.

  28. 28.

    joes527

    October 21, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    I love dark matter.

    Physicist 1: Damn, none of our theories match up with observations.

    Phsicist 2: No problem. Let’s just make up something that no one has ever seen that balances the equations. (and use the fact that it balances the equations as PROOF of its existence)

    Physicist 1: Works for me.

  29. 29.

    trollhattan

    October 21, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    @WereBear:

    If Tunch got wind of a 90-pound housecat, he’d demand triple rations to reclaim the record. Just sayin’.

  30. 30.

    WereBear

    October 21, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    @Rosalita: I wonder what it is about Hurricane Irene? We had five drops offs at our shelter before it even fully hit CT. “Tempest” and “Whirlwind” have been placed but “Irene”, “Gale” “Typhoon” are still with us.

    I wish I knew. Panic, maybe?

    When I had my rescue, I had plans worked out with the whole family, from the salvaged dog crates to who could be put into the dog crates together, along with the tie down straps to put them in the trunk if it came to that. Ten cats… and I could get them to relative’s or friend’s houses.

  31. 31.

    Certified Mutant Enemy

    October 21, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    “Equations are the devil’s sentences.”
    — Stephen Colbert

  32. 32.

    schrodinger's cat

    October 21, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    @joes527: Physics is poised for a big revolution just like it was a 100 years ago.

  33. 33.

    Certified Mutant Enemy

    October 21, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    @Comrade Mary:

    “Physicists and cats in the same thread—hoocoodanode?”

    Schrödinger?

  34. 34.

    WereBear

    October 21, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Someone has already commented on the post… that would be fine, and I have contact links on the blog, as well.

    Thanks for linky, too, I love that. In fact, one of my blog tags is:

    cats do not obey the laws of physics

  35. 35.

    r€nato

    October 21, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    “dark matter” sounds suspiciously like the 21st century equivalent of the “ether” which 19th century scientists hypothesized as the medium through which light traveled from the Sun to the Earth. Just sayin’.

    As for Multiple Choice Mitt criticizing Obama for pulling out of Iraq… sweet Jesus on a Ritz cracker. If Obama hadn’t pulled troops out, he’d get nailed for not following through on his promise to get us out. Now that he is… that’s bad too.

    Republicans – world champion whiners.

  36. 36.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    October 21, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    @joes527:
    Physicist 1: Hey, changing Maxwell’s equations to a moving coordinate system don’t seem to work.
    Physicist 2: What if we make the speed of light constant. Then everything works.
    Physicist 1: Works for me.

    It’s one way physics actually works.

  37. 37.

    r€nato

    October 21, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    @joes527: you read my mind…

  38. 38.

    Jay in Oregon

    October 21, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Did Dreamworks and Nintendo pay for a crapload of product placement, or what?

    Kung Fu Panda + Pokemon Battle Stadium = Mists of Panderia. I agree that Blizzard just trolled the crap out of its player base.

  39. 39.

    Trooptrap Tripetrope

    October 21, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    I think I’m gonna host a pre-Halloween movie marathon on the 29th. Anyone want to offer suggestions on suitably scary (or entertainingly ludicrous) movies to include?

  40. 40.

    Roger Moore

    October 21, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    @nancydarling:

    If we were capable of inter-galactic space travel and our craft came near “dark matter” would it suck us in like a black hole? Or would it be like running into a wall?

    We don’t know the answer for sure because we don’t know exactly what dark matter is. It might be WIMPs (weakly interacting massive particles) that you wouldn’t even notice except for their local gravitational effects. It might be MACHOs (massive compact halo objects) that are essentially cold, dark planets or stars. It’s possible that it might be something like large numbers of small black holes. But we really don’t know exactly what it is, so nobody can say for sure what would happen when you encountered it.

  41. 41.

    Rosalita

    October 21, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    @r€nato: I’ve been looking for you. Linky to your photo website?

  42. 42.

    Martin

    October 21, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    I don’t think we still have a good handle on what dark matter and energy really is. I certainly don’t.

    Nobody does. We presume it exists because there’s more gravitational impact than energy measurements suggest, so for dark matter, either its conventional matter with no or little energy impact (like brown dwarfs, etc.) If it’s conventional, then yeah, we could go bombing around and hit a gravity well that we didn’t expect to find. But that’s a problem we already face – planets, asteroids, comets, etc. generally don’t radiate energy (some planets, like Jupiter do) so they’re whizzing around out there and if there’s no nearby light source to illuminate them, or we don’t have super-sensitive gravitational sensors (that can compensate for the effects from a moving, vibrating spaceship) then yeah, we’re going to go crashing into shit.

    If it’s non-baryonic matter, mass that isn’t like conventional matter, then it could just be really diffuse (like giant clouds) that doesn’t absorb or radiate energy that we just pass by without even noticing.

    It could be that there are black holes that are too small to give us a radiation signature (black holes are just super-dense sources of matter that spin and slingshot matter and radiation that gets close, but not too close, in specific ways that we can detect) that we might run into, or that we’ve miscalculated the mass of some of the supermassive black holes that live at the center of galaxies, etc.

    Mainly it’s a mathematical/measurement byproduct because of exactly what you say – we can detect the gravitational effect, but we can’t ‘see’ it because there’s no energy signature. It’s a big byproduct, in fact. Better observations, better mathematical models, better assumptions, much of it may simply disappear. Cosmological models are pretty incomplete. They get better all the time, but there’s a TON of really cool stuff going on out there that is so far away that we really struggle to measure it and understand it properly.

  43. 43.

    nancydarling

    October 21, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    @Roger Moore:
    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Thanks for all the answers. If we don’t know what would happen, then I’m definitely staying home.

  44. 44.

    lamh34

    October 21, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    I hope to never hear liberal-minded people say that Mittens wouldn’t be that bad as POTUS (believe me, I’ve heard it from people I expected better of):

    Romney: Mission not accomplished

    Romney statement: President Obama’s astonishing failure to secure an orderly transition in Iraq has unnecessarily put at risk the victories that were won through the blood and sacrifice of thousands of American men and women. The unavoidable question is whether this decision is the result of a naked political calculation or simply sheer ineptitude in negotiations with the Iraqi government. The American people deserve to hear the recommendations that were made by our military commanders in Iraq.

    It’s a short step from here, though, to a dangerous political place: Romney wants to keep the troops in Iraq.

  45. 45.

    Roger Moore

    October 21, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    @joes527:
    What you’re describing is the way science works. When we make observations that disagree with our theories, we are forced to change our theories to account for the new facts. Then we make new predictions based on the updated theories and try to test them to see if the new theories are any good. You may not like dark matter because it involves weird, hard to believe stuff, but lots of people also didn’t like relativity or quantum mechanics when they came out and they’ve proven to be remarkably successful. IOW, if you don’t like the way scientists have changed their theories to accommodate observations, it’s incumbent on you to propose a better alternative.

  46. 46.

    soonergrunt

    October 21, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    @Certified Mutant Enemy: PUN 1: But you won’t know that until you ask him.

    PUN 2: If he’s still alive, that is.

  47. 47.

    schrodinger's cat

    October 21, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    @soonergrunt: Schrodinger’s dead but his cat is still alive. MUAHAHA….

    ETA: Guess who went in that box.

  48. 48.

    schrodinger's cat

    October 21, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    @WereBear: You are welcome. I am hoping they find good homes soon. Keep us updated. Have you emailed AnneLaurie? may be she can FP it on Balloon Juice.

  49. 49.

    Amir Khalid

    October 21, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:
    Is this the Eric Cantor story you were referring to?

  50. 50.

    Roger Moore

    October 21, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    @soonergrunt:
    I’m pretty sure that Schrödinger was observed in his box before they buried it, and they’re quite sure he was dead at the time.

  51. 51.

    Amir Khalid

    October 21, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    Help! I have a completely innocent comment in moderation!

  52. 52.

    Martin

    October 21, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    @lamh34:

    It’s a short step from here, though, to a dangerous political place: Romney wants to keep the troops in Iraq.

    Actually, it’s worse than that. Because the Iraqi government doesn’t want us to stay, demanding that we stay is effectively demanding that we re-invade Iraq on 1/1/2012, declaring the Iraqi government as our enemy.

  53. 53.

    joes527

    October 21, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    @Roger Moore: wow. Defensive much? I said I love dark matter.

    but your description of what is going on here doesn’t quite match what is actually going on.

    Observation didn’t match theory. But instead of adding epicycles to the existing theory, or coming up with a new theory (set of equations), we pulled a whole new entity (dark matter) out of our collective asses.

    DON’T GET ME WRONG. Far from being uncomfortable with dark matter, I think it is beautiful. (though a bit … dark) And yes, I understand that this case is the epitome of science, not some aberration.

    I love what it says about science, epistemology, and metaphysics.

  54. 54.

    r€nato

    October 21, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    @Rosalita: oh, I’m all over the place on that and not at all up-to-date.

    Here’s some of my best.

    email me here for further info or requests for specific subjects I might have. Thanks.

  55. 55.

    r€nato

    October 21, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    @Roger Moore: That’s why I prefer religious dogma when it comes to science. The Bible says it, I believe it, and that settles it. Forever.

    Or until reality becomes too hard to ignore, in which case I just reinterpret dogma differently to retrofit the facts.

  56. 56.

    Triassic Sands

    October 21, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    @joes527:

    I love dark matter.

    Then, you’re going to go absolutely nuts over dark energy.

  57. 57.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 21, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Oops. I think I forgot some rabbit ears in the html for the link.

    Please head to the Max is a cut doggie/open thread two flights up. Link there has been tested and works!

    On edit: Different site, same information. He’s a cowardly shit either way.

  58. 58.

    Rosalita

    October 21, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    @r€nato:

    Thanks. I lost your email and I wanted to look at pictures for the house.

  59. 59.

    The Bobs

    October 21, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    If you want to know more about dark matter, this is a good place to start:

    http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/10/the_status_of_dark_matter.php

  60. 60.

    Cermet

    October 21, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    @joes527: You really do not have a clue on this subject that you speak or else are making a bad joke.

    The short answer is we KNOW gravity theory works and that galaxies are stable. These facts face a problem – stars are moving way too fast for galaxies to be stable or gravity theory to be correct. Also, we see no other matter between stars so either we give up and stop thinking OR devise to eat the cake and have it too (of course you can ALWAYS have your cake and eat it too.)

    Physicist have to make up possible systems that meet all these criteria and allow gravity theory to remain valid – these ideas ARE onlye theories and NO ONE in science claims them as fact or even something close to fact but well worth looking for.

    That is how science works – unless you are a re-pug-a-thug in which case you are too stupid to even try to understand anything about the universe and sit in your own shit and make more shit up.

  61. 61.

    schrodinger's cat

    October 21, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    @Cermet: Thanks for responding, you put it better than I could have.

  62. 62.

    WereBear (itouch)

    October 21, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    TroopTrwp: Killer Klowns from Outer Space

  63. 63.

    joes527

    October 21, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Note to self:

    Do not kid a physicist. They will think that they the universe is being attacked.

  64. 64.

    Roger Moore

    October 21, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    @joes527:
    I’m sorry, I thought I saw some sarcasm tags on your post. In any case, I don’t think there’s any real difference between coming up with a new theory and proposing a new kind of matter. After all, nobody has ever actually seen an electron or proton, and our theories even predict that it should be impossible to see a bare quark. We only accept their existence because we have theories that include them that have great explanatory power. Including a new kind of matter is just one way you can change your theory.

  65. 65.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 21, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    @nancydarling:

    I am really hoping Mijo is not a cat.

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