Nader haz a sad. I haz a glad.
Fresh off the heels of The New York Times’ report that Black people still really love them some President Obama, comes the news that Nader’s progressive pony project isn’t going to meet the deadline for qualifying to enter the New Hampshire primary.
::cue tiny violins::
The man makes a good point about standardizing state elections but I’m not going to pretend that I’m not glad that Nader and his Princeton bros, Cornel West and Chris Hedges aren’t going to be lurking about just waiting to screw things up.
Six weeks ago, word got out about a progressive project that could have Ralph Nader playing a familiar role: Electoral scold. He was the best-known member of a coalition to recruit five progressive candidates to run, as Democrats, against Barack Obama. At 4:30 p.m. today, the coalition was going to face its first deadline: qualifying to enter the New Hampshire primary.
Nader’s group won’t make the deadline.
“[Secretary of State] Bill Gardner switched the days on us,” Nader says. “He threatened to change the primary date after Nevada moved up its caucuses, and in the process, he moved up the filing deadline. So he’s pulled the rug out from under us — you think it’s late November, and all of a sudden it’s October 28.”
Nader is annoyed, and understandably so. “You ought to have one federal standard for every state’s elections,” he says. “Do you know why he moved the filing date, just because the primary moved?” (Actually I don’t know.) “We were pulling something together quite nicely, but New Hampshire — that’s the big one, isn’t it? Between the size of the state and the fact that the press is up there, it was a good place to make this statement.”
When Nader decided to throw his hat into the ring, my reaction ranged from “Pfft!” to “This fucking guy?”
Just so we’re clear about the basis for my hostility toward this man, Ralph Nader called president Obama an Uncle Tom on the day he was elected. He was pre-disappointed in President Obama and has been spouting the same racist bullshit as several other progressives of perpetual disappointment. (I’m looking at you, Michael Moore1 and Bill Maher.)
Does Ralph Nader truly believe the crap he spewed about President Obama being half-African and appealing to white guilt? I don’t much care.
In fact, if he doesn’t believe it, it’s almost worse — it demonstrates a willingness to say or do anything, no matter how racially charged and offensive, to remain in the spotlight and stretch out a fifteen minute period that has long since expired.
Ralph Nader doesn’t care about anyone but Ralph Nader. He needs to sit down.
1 Sorry seems to be the hardest word, doesn’t it, Mr. Moore?
[via Slate]
[cross-posted at Angry Black Lady Chronicles]
Maude
Nader needs to go away and stay away. Offensive jerk.
Emma
That man is an egotistical ass. Has been, will be.
jsfox
Hold on seeing if I can work up a tear . . . . .
Nope nothin’
dmsilev
Probably because, just guessing here, a certain amount of time is needed to verify the nominating petitions and such, and then some time is needed to print the ballots, and all of that has to be done well before the election because of absentees and early voters. So, move or potentially move the election date, and the filing deadline moves.
And no, it’s not a Great Conspiracy to Stop Ralph Nader.
Baud
Slightly OT, but it seems like the talk surrounding OWS has moved from the 99% to police brutality and, increasingly, anti-Obamaism. Disturbing trend.
Glad to hear Nader won’t be able to gum up the works. I wonder if, in fact, he would have not made the November deadline and is using this change to save face.
Suffern ACE
@dmsilev: Nope. It is part of the great conspiracy to ensure that those candidate dollars are spent in New Hampshire. Oh, sorry. So that New Hampshire can maintain it’s traditional role of being FIRST and VERY IMPORTANT.
Anyway, I find it odd that Nader wasn’t running and that the article didn’t mention any of the candidates who were left off the ballot. Seems like an odd omission. Who did he peg?
VidaLoca
No discipline. No focus. No strategy. No organization. Everything is a tactic and they chase from one tactic to the next as their emotions dictate. Count from, oh I don’t know — say the McGovern campaign in 1972. That’s 39 years of your “progressive” movement and what is there to show from it?
Feh.
eemom
Mob of flesh-eating Nader-loving zombies just spotted staggering out of FDL and lurching this way — nail the doors shut!!
VidaLoca
Given their historic inability to actually accomplish jack shit, yeah, this is the first thing I wondered too. For them to make a November deadline, July 4 weekend would not be too early to start.
kay
I don’t believe it.
Nader was a great lawyer ,once.
Pretty silly, and embarrasing, for Nader to miss a filing deadline, and then blame someone else.
If there’s anything he knows, it’s to check the rules.
MikeMc
I don’t understand any of this. What do West and Nader hope to accomplish? The whole thing seems like shameless self-promotion.
Comrade Mary
Which reminds me: if you need a really, really good tower defense game, go for Plants vs. Zombies. I’ve missed subway stops playing this one.
Dr. Squid
@eemom: OK, where do I send this here internet to?
Baud
@VidaLoca:
That’s what gets my goat. They decry “incrementalism,” but I would gladly take 39 years of incrementalism over moving from tactic to tactic waiting on the sidelines for a revolution that’s never going to come.
magurakurin
@eemom: no doubt with cries of “seatbelts!” “Corsair” “unsafe at any speed!” But they forget the old joke “…but you fuck just one
goatGore…”Suffern ACE
@MikeMc: No way! Nader spent years making the New Alliance party into a force, developing a constituency for it. And then moved on to really get that Green party up and running, figuring that if they would get some state legislator seats here and there, and maybe a governorship they could start to make a difference.
O.K. maybe it wasn’t years working as in working every day. But every four years he most certainly was there and ready to head a ticket.
VidaLoca
Amateurs. It’s the damned amateurism of it all. They want to field a serious candidate in a presidential campaign? You have to have your shit more together than this to run for prom court.
MikeMc
@Suffern ACE: As an Iowan, you have insulted me to my chewy, chocolate, center. Apologize…post haste! WE are the important ones!
hells littlest angel
There are only a very few human beings at whom I would laugh while watching them step into an open elevator shaft. Ralph Nader is one of them.
Chris
@Baud:
Well, I don’t think OWS would have snowballed into something this big without the macing incident, so it’s not something I completely regret.
As for anti-Obamaism, there’s a fine line to be walked, but I keep coming back to FDR’s “you have to make me do what I want to do even though I want to do it.” Putting public pressure on him from the left isn’t a bad thing, is it?
magurakurin
@Suffern ACE: My main gripe with Nader is that he wasted a chance to actually get his hands on a lever. Maybe Nader continue oppose Gore wasn’t “the” reason for Gore’s loss, that’s a debatable point. But I really don’t think there is any doubt that Gore definitely would have won in 2000 WITH Nader’s support. He had the chance to cash in and make a deal with Gore but he didn’t. He could have gotten a Cabinet seat or maybe been head of the EPA. I suspect he could have gotten a very good deal from the Gore campaign. And he would have had a lot of influence in policy. And surely that must matter, he was running for president. And surely he must have know that his chance to be president was zero, but he garnered enough support that he could have had a high office nonetheless. That’s my complaint with Nader.
And if the whole system is hopelessly fucked, then why was he involved in electoral politics at all? He should have gone all Chez instead if he really believed that.
Suffern ACE
@MikeMc: OK. Iowa is first “voting type event”, but NH is the first one where the citizens are actually “voters” and not “participants.”
Liberty60
Before anyone gets too emo about the failings of liberalism, we should remember the right has its share of the purity brigades, and self-defeating attention whores.
Its just that they also have a well disciplined core of activists who understand winning.
Like this story about clashing factions within Occupy LA-
Not that the story isn’t true, but when I read it, I was reminded of a meeting of the Democratic Party Central Committee I attended, which literally was adjourned halfway through due to infighting and chaotic behavior from a small but vocal minority. And I know for a fact that has happend in the GOP meetings as well.
Politics is about deciding how large your tent needs to be to win, but not so large it lacks purpose. Doctrinal purity is is for drama queens and the Vatican. But I repeat myself.
BobS
@Baud: Obama=Wall Street. Nader sees it. West sees it. Many here don’t, or pretend not to.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@jsfox:
Same here, not a tear. In fact, for some reason I’m smiling.
Go away Ralphie, you are an old trick with nothing new to offer.
Baud
@Chris:
If done competently, no. But that’s a big if.
WeeBey
God, does the left in this country need better people than Ralph Fucking Nader.
Baud
@BobS:
Count me as one of the ones who doesn’t see it.
Matt Osborne
Hell, if Cain wins the GOP nod we’re going to have a crank in the general election, anyway. What do we need a second for?
WeeBey
@BobS:
Don’t see it.
I do see Ralph Nader=President Bush, though.
That I see quite clearly.
BobS
@Baud: Then you haven’t been paying attention to who his biggest donors have been and from where his economic advisers come.
kay
So who were the 5 candidates?
Delia
Ralph Nader keeps trying to bring back the glory days when he brought the auto industry to its knees. He can’t understand why it doesn’t work anymore and he just gets more and more insane with go round.
VidaLoca
Count me as one of the ones who does see it (sorry, Baud). To me it’s trivial, a totally banal observation. Doesn’t matter. I’m going to vote for him and I’m even willing to give money to him because the alternative is so much worse.
The prophet Nostradumbass
Mitt Romney has received more in contributions from Wall Street this cycle than all other declared candidates combined. That’s how much Obama == Wall Street.
gnomedad
I suspect guys like Nader lose the ability (or interest) to even distinguish their actual beliefs and self-serving posturing.
BobS
@WeeBey: Of course you do. Forgetting as you apparently have the wholesale disenfranchisement of black voters under the supervision of Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush, and the tiny role the US Supreme Court played in the 2000 election.
Baud
@BobS: I’ve been paying enough attention, thanks. And I hope Obama raises a billion zillion dollars from Wall Street, if that helps him and the Democrats win the next election.
rikyrah
hee hee hee
LOVE YA, ABL
RWW
Nader in playing spoiler always brags that he’s NOT a Democrat, never has been and doesn’t give two shits about helping Democrats win elections. Fair enough, but then he should stay the fuck out of Democratic primaries and stop pretending he’s interested in anything but another ego wank.
BobS
@VidaLoca: What’s trivial (to Obama, that is) is your vote and your laughably small donation. But keep pretending he gives a shit.
Suffern ACE
@kay: I don’t think there were any. I mean, wouldn’t you issue a release that “CandidateX needs help collecting signatures” if you had someone to run? Or “It’s too bad that the State of NH changed its rules. Now no one in that fine state will have the opportunity to vote for CandidateX.”
BobS
@Baud: Wow, “a billion zillion”. And maybe he’ll buy you and everyone else in your fantasy land unicorns and ponies with all that money.
LTMidnight
@BobS: You’re the only person who sees it. You’re probably seeing Big Foot and the Tooth Fairy as well.
And since it’s so close to Halloween, tell the Great Pumpkin I said hello.
WeeBey
@BobS:
All of which was enabled by… Wait for it… Ralph Nader, who took money from all sorts of conservative groups for his campaign.
If you applied the standard you’re using with Obama to Nader, you’d be disgusted.
That’s before we start listing their accomplishments.
Litlebritdifrnt2
We have to remember that the majority of butthurt dem voters are sad assed fucking PUMAs who will never, ever, even if it means cutting themselves to the point of fatal blood loss, support anything that Obama does. They are so stuck in Hillary magic rainbow shitting unicorn land that they would rather die than ever state that Obama has done anything right. I mean he is an “inadequate black man” after all. They would primary Obama with a dead possum lying on the side of the road. They hate him that much. They simply cannot accept that Obama beat their Goddess. Doesn’t matter that their Goddess has now served “the inadequate black male” as SOS so brilliantly and loyally that if you go after her POTUS Hillary will cut a bitch. They hate that.
Chris
@RWW:
I’m putting on a Halloween tinfoil hat now, and suggesting that Nader might be a ratfucker.
Baud
@VidaLoca:
No sweat. Hope you eventually see things differently, but happy you’re not doing the whole perfect-is-the-enemy-of-the-good thing.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@BobS:
What’s trivial is the level of support in this country for someone like Nader.
Keep flailing away at it Bobby, Ralphie appreciates it.
LTMidnight
@BobS: Obama raised over 90 million dollars in the past 6 months, kid. Only 2% are from donation of more $250.
2% – 90 million = 1.8 million
Uncle Clarence Thomas
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Fortunately, this post is a Perfectly Lubricated Weather Vane of emoballoonbaggerism.
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Baud
@Litlebritdifrnt2: Agreed about Hillary. She’s been awesome. Given the egos, I expected more friction. If there has been any, they’ve kept it in house.
doofus
@Chris: Yeah, that’s been a valid question for more than a decade now. I think we are well past the day where the answer matters much.
WeeBey
@Chris:
That’s been obvious since October of 2000, when he spent the last two weeks of a campaign that was, ostensibly, about gaining five percent of the popular vote campaigning in electoral swing states such as Florida and Pennsylvania.
Anyone who doesn’t think Nader was trying to ratfuck that election is too dumb to vote.
LTMidnight
@BobS: And just exactly are you waiting for, kid?
Baud
@LTMidnight: Thanks, I was going to look up those stats, but I got lazy.
boss bitch
@BobS:
Top 4 Industries that donated in 2008:
Top Contributors in 2008 out of $700,000,000+
Thoughtful Black Co-Citizen
Another political attention whore who has way outstayed his 15 minutes and somehow keeps dodging the guy with the hook.
Just you wait. Once the Crier Blog Flakes finish up their “Why you, black person, are stupid if you support President Obama” presentation we’ll hate him as much as Jane Hamquist.
LTMidnight
@Litlebritdifrnt2: Thus proving that these PUMA cunts don’t give 2 shits about Hillary. Hate of Obama is what drives them.
Baud
@boss bitch:
Does that reflect contributions by employees of those institutions or from the institutions themselves?
Baud
@LTMidnight: With respect, your choice of words reflects badly on our side.
kay
I don’t know what I would do, Suffern Ace, but I know I would not issue a statement that says the only reason Obama is the presumptive nominee is because Nader missed a filing deadline.
It’s a way of taking away something Obama has won.
Obama is the nominee because no one challenged him. End of story. He won the primary.
It’s just so churlish and petty to pretend they wuz ROBBED! Why not release the 5 names?
Nonsense. Nader didn’t get it done.
LTMidnight
@Baud: I’m representing no one’s side but my own.
MikeMc
@Suffern ACE:Thank you for apologizing for your awful mistake!
NR
@VidaLoca:
Vote for the Good Cop! He really has your best interests at heart!
Lysana
Love this news, post, and image. I need to find a pic of Michael Moore and do likewise.
piratedan
well i love me some cleek pie filter, whacked BobS in just two posts and he can exchange pie recipes with Samara, jwest, Reality Check and the rest of the trolls. Allows me more time to enjoy the postings of the rest of you intelligent folks.
NR
@LTMidnight:
[citation needed]
Lysana
@NR: And the alternative is to what, stay home and let the GOP win? That’s not how the dance is performed, bunky.
NobodySpecial
@Baud: So does the treating of PUMAs as anything other than a Republican ratfucking attempt.
If anything marks some Obama supporters as dumber than boxes of rocks, that would do it.
Baud
@NobodySpecial: We can’t control the truth, only the words we use to express it.
Cat Lady
This puts into perspective the magnitude of what Obama accomplished to get elected, and I think it just gripes all these pathetic egoistic fucktards’ cookies that he made it look so easy that every two bit hack thinks they can get elected, too. Barack Hussein Obama, a half black half white son of a single mother with a funny name prevailed over not just the war hero establishment Republican (did you know McCain was a POW?) with the entire national press corps slobbering his knob, but the mighty Clinton Democratic 50 state machine that had been in place since 1992. Obama outsmarted, outorganized, outdebated, outplanned, outtraveled, outinterviewed, outstrategized and outlasted ALL of them, to their everlasting resentment and incomprehension of what it took, and what it takes. All of course while being ceaselessly reviled, and with wit, grace and charm.
Fuck all y’all haters. He’s the man. Get the fuck over it.
Bruce S
So who ever thought this was serious?
This is a non-event regarding a non-event…
Anyone who had their panties twisted about this bullshit deserves whatever angst they experienced.
doofus
@NR: Better than voting for Nader and his Bad Cop allies.
WeeBey
@Cat Lady:
Marry me.
boss bitch
@BobS:
Top Industries 2012 (so far)
Top Contributors 2012 so far:
Look how far “Wall Street” is down on the list? I guess saying Obama = Silicon Alley doesn’t get as TV invites or clicks as Obama = Wall Street. Or Obama = Ivy League colleges? Or Obama = Retirees? Or Obama = Law Firms? Or Obama = Hollywood? because those guys are bringing just as much if not more money as his donors from Wall Street. Then there was a story that the Unemployed are giving MORE, MORE! to Obama than they did in 2008. Give me a break. Obama = Wall Street? tell that to Wall Street. Every chance they get, they go running to a reporter to speak of how he betrayed them. I guess Obama doesn’t understand how this Wall Street mascot gig is supposed to work.
The left vehemently hates anything Wall Street but is utterly blind to grifters and attention whores like Nader, Moore and West. Cornel West’s bff is Tavis Smiley. A man who once hand delivered victims (subprime loans) to his corporate sponsors. And Smiley still gladly takes corporate money to fund his businesses/forums and you don’t hear a peep about it from West.
I don’t mind people getting their hustle on but I fucking hate hypocrites.
FYI: all donor info came from opensecrets.org
Svensker
@Litlebritdifrnt2:
Not sure I agree with that completely. I know 3 Obama hating liberals. One is a PUMA but the other two hate Hillary worse than O and would probably vote for Nader if given the chance, because “both sides are horrible” and they’re going to “show the Dems”.
boss bitch
Ralph Nader would have missed the November deadline anyways. Its only a month or so. Doesn’t he have all the info/people/money he needs already if he was serious?
Bruce S
“I don’t much care.”
LO-fucking-L!
The hysterics in these threads has been near-insane…
RAM
I’ve hated that bastard Nader ever since he killed the Corvair. And when he assured W’s election with his third party run, the hate was renewed all over again.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@Chris:
That’s been my opinion since the 2K election. Ralphie is more than happy to take conservative funding and go after Democrats.
He’s a well compensated ratfucker.
NR
@LTMidnight: Never mind, I don’t even need to wait. A quick look at Open Secrets reveals that you’re full of shit. Only 46% of the money that Obama has raised for his 2012 campaign has come from small donors, and a significant portion of that comes from so-called “bundlers”–fundraising kingpins who group smaller donations together. Obama has received tremendous sums of money from bundlers in the Securities & Investment, Business Services, and Real Estate industries.
Quick tip: If you’re going to lie this brazenly in the future, try to make sure it’s about something that’s not quite as easily verifiable as this.
Litlebritdifrnt2
@Baud: And yet the PUMAs woudl have you believe that poor Hillary is like a battered woman, simply being subservient to POTUS. While in reality SOS is out there kicking ass and taking names…with the full support of POTUS. a POTUS whom she absolutely adores. Reality really does suck for them PUMAs.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@boss bitch:
What, nothing from Jobs (Apple)? ;)
General Stuck
Couldn’t myself to laugh at this.
LTMidnight
@NR: http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/10/who-are-dumbest-motherfuckers-in-world.html
Here you go, kid.
BTW I seem to recall you claiming Obama is going to lose. If the election was held today Obama would beat Romney (his nearest competitor) in Arizona.
Not good at predictions are you?
Litlebritdifrnt2
@Cat Lady:
What she said. Twice. With a cherry on top.
LTMidnight
@NobodySpecial: No kid, there were genuine disgruntled Hillary supports in with the racist Republican ratfuckers.
Woodrowfan
@Baud:
it’s over there by the unicorn. no, to the left. no, the OTHER left. sheesh.
Yeah, i see where his advisers come from. but I also see how much Wall Street is whining and bitching and crying. Wall Street has cash, politicians need cash to run. We need to make sure that he also owes the Left as well as Wall Street because no one is getting elected President without some Wall Street cash. (alas)
General Stuck
@Cat Lady:
LOL. Fuckin A!!
BobS
@piratedan: Not whacked, just on the phone with a child out of country who is more precious to me than a bunch of Obama [email protected]boss bitch: You truncated your 2008 list just when it was getting good- JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, UBS AG, General Electric, Morgan Stanley. And we still haven’t discussed Obama’s economic ‘dream team’- some names you won’t find on it are Black, Hudson, Galbraith, or [email protected]boss bitch: Does that list include the money that Obama has raised for the DNC?
Dee Loralei
Hahahahahah I fucking love Rachel Maddow, she just tore into Foreign Policy Magazine for asking Wolfowitz and O’Hanlon for an article about what to do next in Afghanistan! She knocked down Cheney, W and Condi too! Someone please frontpage it I’m still giggling!
Scott
Nader = Republican.
You never saw him out fucking with George Bush or John McCain. But he sees an opportunity to split Democratic votes, and he gets right in there with that. Might help that his funds are usually paid by Republicans… and it might be that he’s just a Republican.
General Stuck
TPM front pages an orange Obama. WTF!!
Woodrowfan
@Litlebritdifrnt2:
three times, with whipped cream too.
Baud
@General Stuck: Looks like they applied the Boehner filter to the photo.
Marci Kiser
Ralph Nader is purity trolling the Democratic Party?
Wow, that’s really… retro!
Bruce S
General Stuck – since you qualify as an asinine head-up-your-ass hater of anyone who thinks independently of White House press releases-du-jour, you need to get the fuck over the notion that you have a clue. The ABL fan club has been wrong about everything…hysterical in attacking the folks who proposed that the strategy that the President is currently following was a winner. He’s on our side, not the chickenshit you clowns were defending (“It wouldn’t be so bad to raise the Medicare eligibility age…blah…blah.”) You were wrong. Those of us who didn’t buy the BS have been proven right and we have an ally in the President and allies on the streets.
Hang your fucking head in shame…
LTMidnight
@NR: Nice try kid, so your argument is that if a person who contributed happens to work as a bank teller making 22k an hour for Bank of America, it counts as part of “fundraiser kingpins”? This is weaksauce even coming from an Neo-PUMA like you.
scav
Between the “Lips that have touched Wall Street shall never touch mine!” brigade and those advocating deep frenching Bad Cops to prove how disappointed they are, I think everyone’s just edging round the alley looking for a start-to-the-weekend rumble.
Suffern ACE
@Scott: 1972, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008. I don’t think he cares when he runs.
General Stuck
@Bruce S:
WTF blithering about. You off your meds again?
Bruce S
That’s it? Convenient dismissal of what you’ve been blathering about here for months. You’re pathetic…
LTMidnight
To the “Corporations are teh evil” brigade, why are you on a corporation provided internet service?
BobS
@scav: I’m watching the Cardinals go 3 runs up on Bush’s Rangers (after my disappointment that one of my Tigers didn’t bounce a foul ball off his forehead in the ACS). Can we all agree to root for the Cardinals, and the heartbreak it will bring W?
General Stuck
@Bruce S:
I wrote well before Obama started talking and acting like a populist that he would do so, and give a decent jobs proposal. It’s called the campaign season, and it begins after Labor Day. Every sitting president follows that script, even GWB. Now take your fucking pills and call me in the morning.
jsfox
@RAM: I am with you. I had a Corvair and f’ing loved that car. Porsche designed engine and it handled just fine. Then he goes off a pulls the stunt in 2000. The guy is attention seeking tool.
General Stuck
@Bruce S:
So what in that rattle trap brain of yours have I been talking about so much to cause you to go off your rocker. You blab out some kind of nebulous stream of bullshit, and don’t explain what you are talking about.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@General Stuck:
It’s meth. Looks like they’re at the point of paranoia, hallucinations and delusion.
I hear that it’s a hell of a drug.
Bruce S
All I know is that you attacked – insanely and hysterically – anyone who proposed what is currently on the table.
You’re full of shit…
It’s really that simple. You called me a “firebagger” for putting forth the truth that “deficit reduction” was BS and that the President needed to move in the direction of jobs policies. “Talking and acting like a populist” misses the point entirely. What it boils down to is that you’re some combination of a fucking liar, a hater and a fool. Clowns such as yourself made it impossible to have rational discussion of policy in these half-baked, hysterical “ABL” threads. You’re a clown and a poseur.
More to the point, it doesn’t matter. We’re on a different track than the crap you were defending. It’s settled.
General Stuck
@Odie Hugh Manatee:
Bruce S seems quite unwell, could be meth.
Peggy
Ralph Nader’s soul has been rotting in Hell ever since Bush was anointed President. What appears to be his body is activated by a small mischievous devil.
Emma
@Cat Lady: Ole!
VidaLoca
@BobS:
I’m under no illusion that Obama gives a shit about me. And I only give a shit about Obama insofar as another four years of him keeps the insane clown posse at bay for four years longer. I’d vote for somebody better than Obama in a heartbeat but guess what: there won’t be anybody better than Obama running in 2012. Just like there wasn’t in 2008. So voting for Obama is the least thing I can do to prevent clownageddon but at least I can say that it’s more than you’ve got figured out.
Look at you and your “progressive movement”. 39 years gone by and what have you got to show for it? Ralph Nader. Ralph Fucking Nader, who couldn’t even pull it together to get the signatures to run his vanity campaign in the only state where low-budget retail politics stands a snowball’s chance.
To be charitable for a moment, let’s say everybody makes mistakes. Let’s say that the NH Sec. of State moved the date around as part of the (totally unpredictable) election-date fuckery that only takes place every four years, and caught all you progressives by surprise, and it totally wasn’t your fault. Will you learn anything from this? Will you change your understanding of what you’re up against, your strategy to deal with it, your tactical approach — even in the slightest degree?
No.
Will you take the time to look at your history, with the idea that maybe by understanding your own mistakes and the mistakes of the people who went before you, you could do something differently next time that might work out better?
No, not that either.
The misery of it all is, you’ll sit this election out, because your feelings are hurt and you’re disappointed in how sad it is that reality has failed once again to live up to the principles you hold so dear. And in four years, sure as God made little green apples you’ll… do. the. exact. same. thing. all. over. again. Because that’s how you’ve rolled for the past 39 years; why should you change now?
Odie Hugh Manatee
@jsfox:
The early Porsche models had the same handling problem, which was common in rear engined vehicles (tail heavy). They later resolved it and GM would have done the same thing. People were driving them like they were front-heavy (as they were used to) and it wasn’t anything unusual.
From Wikipedia:
Ralphie pulled a fast one and got away with it.
General Stuck
@Bruce S:
Emoprog is probly more accurate than me calling you a firebagger. Or just a fucking nut with some screws loose.
Bruce S
Stuck – address the substance or shove your lame crap back up your ass, from whence it comes. You know exactly what I’m talking about. You’re recycling your “best shots.” Not that I’m surprised.
BobS
@LTMidnight:Rather than evil, sociopathic might better describe the persons our Supreme Court long ago declared corporations to be. But maybe you could provide your blueprint for the concerned 21st century citizen to avoid dealing with corporations.
Peggy
@Peggy: Nader is being tortured by a succession of volunteers from among the half million Iraqi war dead. They find Dante’s Inferno a helpful guide.
LTMidnight
@BobS: Move to Anarctica.
Peggy
@hells littlest angel: Same point as me ,but much much funnier.
SiubhanDuinne
@LTMidnight:
Where do I apply?
The prophet Nostradumbass
@LTMidnight: A Unabomber shack might be more his speed.
BobS
@LTMidnight:Well, that’s the second dumbest thing I’ve read tonight. Of course, the first was some lame-ass asking why we’re using corporation provided internet services.
And what’s with the “kid” affectation? Are you channeling Humphrey Bogart?
Bruce Webb
Oy I was going to say something dumb that would kick me off the Intertoobzs forever. Thanks Emma at 2. You summed it up. And saved me from myself. Not a big fan of Prof West at this point. And Bless the Flying Sphagetti Monster my opinion of Nader might get me blasted to Romney’s future planet. I guess as a Hewer of Wood and Drawer of Water.
Bitter? Me? Why do you ask?
Thoughtful Black Co-Citizen
@VidaLoca: Hygiene Tip: After handing someone his ass, please remember to wash your hands.
General Stuck
@Bruce S:
I have no idea what you are talking about, but I am beginning to suspect you don’t like me very much. This comes as quite a blow, but I will have to find a way to carry on.
Marc
@General Stuck:
He’s the David Broder of Balloon Juice. So…uncivil..to not condemn both sides, whatever they are!
BobS
@Thoughtful Black Co-Citizen: That’s quite the thoughtful, substantive comment- it definitely advanced the discussion of Obama, Nader, elections, etc. But you did get to write “ass” for your reading public, so you can go to bed tonight confident you did the best you were capable of.
Bruce S
Stuck – I could care less about you. But the truth is that the ABL fan club looks like fools these days. You no less than most. The winds have shifted…
My bad for even commenting on the obvious.
LTMidnight
@BobS: Hit dogs will holler, kid.
And if you going to act like a petulant spoiled child having a tantrum because Obama didn’t turn America into moonbat nirvana with the wave of his magic negro hand, then that’s exactly how I’m going to acknowledge you.
General Stuck
@Marc:
Fucking weird to have someone go off like that out of thin air. Sounds like it may be a case of personal butthurt from being called a firebagger, that I don’t remember doing. But very well may have. Thin skinned souls may want to surf on by the BJ comment section.
namekarB
Cain vs Nadar. Now that would be an anybody’s guess presidential election
General Stuck
@Bruce S:
Well yea, the winds have shifted. We are in a political campaign season, where before we were not. And Obama was not. There is no deep reason for it. Like I said, I actually did predict Obama would go wolly on the wingers with a good jobs plan. Some said I was being pollyanish for that. So your big revelation that somehow Obama seen the light for whatever reason, is a large crock of shit
The prophet Nostradumbass
@Bruce S:
You could have fooled me, from the way you’ve been carrying on in this thread.
BobS
@LTMidnight: And that differs exactly how from the whining among his sycophants when it’s pointed out that their emperor wears no clothes, jack-off (if you’re gonna act like one)? However, I’ve noticed there’s a real obsession with Obama’s race by much of his fan club on this thread- what’s up with that?
feebog
What Vidaloca said at 114. What always pisses me off about the purists is that they have no alternative, only conplaints. Here is a dead solid fact; if not for Nader taking about 3% of the vote in Florida, we would not have suffered eight years of the worse governance this nation has ever endured.
But guess what, if Gore had won these same assholes would have spent the next eight years bitching about how he was a corprate whore, in the pocket of big business, and a complete sellout. If Jeaus Christ himself was President they would still be complaining.
LTMidnight
@BobS:
Ask Michael Moore about that one, kid.
And people like you still haven’t proven why us “sycophants” shouldn’t be supporting Obama that can’t be deduced down to “He’s not the moonbat I fantasized him to be”. Most of us knew exactly who we were getting and are just fine with the results so far.
Short Bus Bully
So can we just go ahead and call Nader the Dem version of Alan Keyes? He’s just a walking clusterfuck of self-promotion.
And getting Hedges, West, and Nader together to try to run something? Those fuckers couldn’t agree on LUNCH much less a coherent, unified direction for the progressives.
ABL
@General Stuck: Don’t mind Bruce. He told me over the summer that he would try to keep his comments in my threads respectful. That lasted about an hour. In fact, I’m not sure he’s ever left a comment in my thread that didn’t include some bs about “ABL fans.” And considering his temperament when he claimed, essentially, that he would make an attempt to be less of a jerk, and the fact that he seems unable to do that, your best bet is to just ignore him.
I believe the proper phrase is “lost cause.”
AxelFoley
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Fuck Nader, West and Hedges. Douchebag mothafuckas.
ABL
@Cat Lady: what you said. all of it.
RalfW
Let’s just say there’s a reason I spell my name with an f.
Don’t want no one mistaking me for that wad of old sidewalk gum, Mister Nader.
General Stuck
@ABL:
Thanks ABL. I don’t pay much attention to Bruce. It’s not the first time we’ve danced on BJ. It was a little odd the speed at which the dude went Supernova. ODS does strange things to some folks, left and right.
Bruce S
Stuck and ABL – avoid any of the substance of my comments.
You both know exactly what this is about…but act like it’s an issue of “respect” as opposed to the fact that ABL threads were a hotbed of apologia for crap like cutting Medicare eligibility, “defict reduction” hysterics, etc. etc.
Oh yes, and attacks on “populism” as good politics.
Lost cause, indeed. And the notion that I’m a loose cannon of bad manners in these threads that went ad hominem and were founded on name-calling as a matter of course is supreme fucking bullshit. You’re weak…
BobS
@feebog: Here’s some dead solid numbers that should concern you even more- over 90,000 Florida voters scrubbed, 5 Supreme Court justices preventing a complete vote [email protected]LTMidnight: And some of us wiser ones knew exactly who we were getting and aren’t, son.
If Michael Moore were here, he’d have probably weighed in by now. But since you’re the one who brought it up, maybe you could pretend at a little class and answer the question.
Violet
@Cat Lady:
Add me to the list that agrees with everything you said. Obama is the man.
Bruce S
Also, Stuck – your “campaign mode” line is BS. The entire argument in these threads over past months was about “political necessity.” Anyone who suggested a change of course as “best political strategy” was lampooned, cursed and treated like alien life.
General Stuck
@Bruce S:
Yawn
ABL
@Bruce S: go take a look at your first two comments on this thread, and then try to make an argument about “threads that went ad hominem.”
you do this on every thread bruce. it’s embarrassing.
that you expect a substantive response to your first two comments is truly laughable. that you seem to think your comments themselves contained any substance is likewise laughable.
but sure, i’m the weak one. whatever you say, bruce. whatever you say.
The prophet Nostradumbass
@Bruce S:
I suppose that comment is true, if you take it literally, instead of as the figure of speech it usually is. You’re absolutely obsessed with him in this thread.
ABL
@General Stuck: who does ODS hurt? everyone.
;)
General Stuck
Po baby. These Balloon Juice wankers fail to see your
bullshitbrilliance, I know. Come over here and let Stuck give you a big affirming hug.BobS
@General Stuck: You have an odd way of not paying attention to him.
By the way, the Cardinals just won the World Series.
Bruce S
What’s embarrassing is that you’ve overseen a little regime here that made rational discussion of White House policy impossible. And your commenters act like a ridiculous mob, taking your cues. This is just a fact. Sorry for bringing it up again.
My first comments here were exactly on point, incidentally. You’ve ginned up ridiculous hysterics about total bullshit.
NR
@LTMidnight: Good god, you’re a fucking idiot. But I should expect that from anyone who cites an article at The People’s Spew as evidence of anything.
Here are the real fundraising numbers. Note the percentage of Obama’s donations that come from small donors. It’s 46%. And since you’re stupid enough to need even this spelled out, 46% is less than 98%. A lot less.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@Bruce S:
I don’t need the winds to shift to smell your bullshit, the stench is overpowering.
I bet you think that the winds have been shifting during each election for the last 39 years, right Bobby? What you dumb fucks are too stupid to see (as pointed out above) is that the one thing that has remained constant over that time is the epic fail of Ralphie Nader and his little army of blind followers.
Losers. Whiny little losers who think the world of themselves.
Admiral_Komack
@eemom:
Shoot them in the head.
That always works, and they don’t have anything between their ears, anyway, the dumb motherfuckers.
General Stuck
@BobS:
I said much attention. Reading comp. Doesn’t mean I don’t respond to the unstable fuckwit, just that it has no adverse effect on any state of grace I might be experiencing at the time.
Bruce S
Odie – you’re a fucking idiot. What the fuck does Ralph Nader’s current little hissy fits have to do with me? You don’t get it. You’ve graduated from 1st Grade and think you’ve got a PhD….
BobS
@General Stuck: Oh, I get it. I wonder if those poor souls who are driven to wash their hands a couple hundred times a day feel like they’re paying “much attention” to a sink?
LTMidnight
@NR: Ah, “spew” instead of “view”. How many of your few active brain cells did you have to overwork to think up that whopper, kid?
In any case, you still didn’t answer my question. Is your argument that if a person who contributed happens to work as a bank teller making 22k an hour for Bank of America, it counts as part of “fundraiser kingpins”?
Because if you’re accusing the Obama campaign of either cooking the books or flat out lying, which is what you’re essentially doing, then that has to be your argument.
Now, I’ll give you 15 minutes to figure out for yourself why that argument has to makes sense just to be considered stupid.
Starting now……
General Stuck
@BobS:
No you don’t
Admiral_Komack
@Chris:
Hey now!
That kind of talk will make Grover Norquist jealous.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@Bruce S:
Oh! You’ve wounded me. Ouch.
/brushes shoulder with hand
All better.
Wank away wanker, it’s what you live for.
BobS
@General Stuck: @Odie Hugh Manatee:You two seem to have run out of what little clever you started with. Too much or too little alcohol?
General Stuck
Lame, dude. Very lame.
BobS
@General Stuck: I assumed you’d be determined to prove my point. Thanks.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@Bobby:
Troll rating for that post: – 2 (scale of 1 to 10)
Try moar better.
@Shorter Bobby: “No, you are!”
– 3
Wrong way.
General Stuck
You don’t have a point. You’re welcome.
Thoughtful Black Co-Citizen
@BobS: Ah fuck. It happens every time. I aim for snarkasm and wind up making a valid contribution.
I will ponder my latest failure while you glue your ass back on.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@General Stuck:
If he’s disappointed with our material he needs to remember the piece of shit that he is that we are working with.
Garbage in, garbage out. :)
General Stuck
@Odie Hugh Manatee:
Guess firebagging ain’t what it used to be. :-)
Derfbot 9000
I was going to say this was an unusually shitty comments thread, but then I remembered, no, it’s an ABL thread. They’re all like that.
BobS
@Odie Hugh Manatee: @General Stuck: @Thoughtful Black Co-Citizen: Is there a Big Balloon Juice Book of Comment Thread Cliches that you all draw your material from? You seem to have given your best efforts with your names- it just goes downhill from there.
Karen
@LTMidnight:
You keep saying a bank teller at BOA makes 22K/hour. Do you mean a year?
I’d think so but these days I take nothing for granted.
ABL
@General Stuck:
pimpin’firebaggin’ ain’t easy.LTMidnight
@Karen: Sorry, I did mean 22k a year.
ABL
the only ridiculous hysterics here are your own, capitan.
try again.
BobS
@ABL: Except for your hysterics concerning Nader and West upsetting your universe. Total bullshit, in other words.
dogwood
It’s a bit hard to see guys like Nader, who actually did some important work years ago, become caricatures of themselves. He’s accomplished absolutely nothing these last 40 years.
AxelFoley
@BobS:
And some see things that aren’t there. We call that hallucination.
Thanks for playing, though.
General Stuck
@BobS:
You get more lame with every comment. Want to try something other than “I’m rubber you’re glue” material?. You sound like a constipated parrot.
LTMidnight
@NR: Time’s up, kid.
Never mind the Republicans/Fox News would be up the Obama campaign’s ass if he was practicing any type of deception with his FEC filings, if an individual or a group of individuals who happen to work for a big bank or Goldman Sachs (not wealthy mind you) make a donation to the Obama campaign, it’s moronic to then say he’s getting money from corporate fat cats.
But let’s cut the crap. We both know this is about emo libs like you spending 2+ years talking about how Obama is “losing his base” and how he would rue the day (rue I tells ya) that he didn’t listen to you. Now that he’s gathering all of these donors and raking in all of this dough in spite of everything, rather than admit your threats have fallen flat on their faces you convince yourself he’s still corporate funded and find every excuse that sounds believable to make yourself seem right.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, champ. ;)
BobS
@AxelFoley: Ah, the “thanks for playing”. One could visit this site once a week/month/year and run into the same morons thinking they’re being clever by recycling the same shit.
BobS
@General Stuck: That seems to be the entirety of your game, General. Why would you want to stop now?
Cliff in NH
When is to drunk to post?
Bruce, You hit it on your first post here.
Cliff in NH
@Cat Lady:
You Nailed it.
G’nite!
Derfbot 9000
@Karen:
LTMidnight is a little too busy being totally hardcore and calling everybody kid to do things like “make sense” or “know what he’s talking about.” It’s a surprisingly common condition online.
Also, too, the President’s high-end donors do not account for 2% of his fundraising totals, in the same way that the top 2% of citizens overall do not hold only 2% of the wealth in this country. A million people have donated to the President. Hundreds of thousands of regular people have raised tens of millions of dollars. It’s pretty impressive. A tiny fraction at the top have also raised tens of millions. This is how campaign financing works. It shouldn’t be controversial.
Just putting that out there. Someone should. But please, continue your stale, ignorant bitchfests with one another.
General Stuck
@BobS:
Because it’s bedtime. And you are an idiot. mimic that.
Thoughtful Black Co-Citizen
@LTMidnight: The CEO makes 22K/hr.
AA+ Bonds
No offense but why would any Democrat ever mention Ralph Nader ever the fuck again
AA+ Bonds
This thread is a bunch of bullshit and is now Occupied by the Shut The Fuck Up squad
AxelFoley
@BobS:
Oh, sweet, delicious irony.
BobS
@General Stuck: Goodnight, Grandpa [email protected]AxelFoley:And then there’s those that recycle their lightweight material on the same [email protected]Derfbot 9000:Campaign financing in the US should be controversial. Those 2% of the largest donors (including corporate ‘persons’) have a disproportionate influence on elections and government. Until that original sin is addressed, “stale, ignorant bitchfests” are what’s left over for the rest of us.
AxelFoley
But I repeat myself–oh sweet, delicious irony.
BobS
@AxelFoley: Of course you do- that’s what you do. You’re finally getting it.
Uncle Clarence Thomas
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@BobS:
Bob, Ms. Foley is a well-known Republican ratfucker troll. The only thing she’s good for is making that O-face I give her, and she don’t give it to nobody else but me.
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piratedan
@ABL: sounds like he’s part of the poniless brigade
Death Panel Truck
I say we all pitch in to buy Nader a ’63 Corvair.
I hear they’re unsafe at any speed.
Death Panel Truck
@hells littlest angel: Or that would work for me, too. ;)
Porlock Junior
@magurakurin:
“He had the chance to cash in and make a deal with Gore but he didn’t. He could have gotten a Cabinet seat or maybe been head of the EPA.”
Reminds me of a thing I heard David Broder say some years ago. (He was the mad uncompromising environmentalist who said “I was reasonable once, and I’ve regretted it ever since.” He was referring to a nuclear power plant that he didn’t manage to stop; hence the regrets. Built on an earthquake fault in California, btw. Any more questions?)
Anyway, on this occasion the subject of compromise came up, and he said, in effect, “There are people who are good at compromise. They are paid to compromise. They are politicians, and they serve a necessary purpose. I leave the compromising to them.”
Note the difference from Nader, apart from the obvious fact of not being an ******: Broder never ran for high political office. The type of excellent deal you suggest was not for him, and he had the brains to know it. I miss him.
Porlock Junior
EEEYIOMFG I DIDN’T say David Broder! It’s all a damned lie! You ain’t got nothin on me, copper.
I said, of course, David Brower. Any allegation to the contrary must be the work of someone who saw that the post was concerned with a***o*e* and thought it must be about David that-other-thing.
I hope I have made that perfectly clear.
I still miss David BROWER, though.
Uriel
@Uncle Clarence Thomas:
Jesus jumped-up christ- This shit doesn’t even make fucking sense.
Unless you’re finally getting around to admitting you are willing to say anything, no matter how nonsensical, so long as it might piss off some Obama supporter, somehow, somewhere. Regardless of who you have to support in the process. In which case, good on you for finally admitting that you are, at this point, no different than any tea-bagging republican screeching away in an attempt to drown out any reasonable discussion at all costs, even if it means embracing willful ignorance.
The prophet Nostradumbass
@Uriel: Nothing he says ever makes sense. It’s why many have him in the “pie filter”.
NR
@LTMidnight: Jesus. You are, without a doubt, the stupidest person who posts in the comments here. And believe me, that is really saying something.
Here, I’ll break it down real simple for you:
You said that 98% of Obama’s donations came from small donors ($250 or less).
I posted proof that in fact, even if you count all the money from bundlers as “small donations,” only 46% of his donations came from small donors.
In short, you were lying. That’s pathetic. And now that you got caught, you’re trying to deflect attention away from that fact. That’s even more pathetic.
Take my advice and quit while you’re behind. Kid.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@AA+ Bonds:
Nah, I was encouraging him to dump some better material on us. I say let him flap his gums all he wants.
It’s what we do best here.
@NR: “Take my advice and quit while you’re behind. Kid.”
This is coming from the expert on being a behind. Like most ‘experts’ who like to give advice, you never heed your own.
Keep flailing for fail, in that you’re a winner!
General Stuck
@Bruce S:
What is on the table is what was on the table all along. The Supercommittee is offering the same “grand bargain” calling for so called austerity, that has always been qualified by Obama as “long term deficit reduction’, a Keynesian policy. With the same poison pill of tax increases that wingers won’t accept. the jobs plan has been planned and was announced several months ago, to be rolled out after congress returned from the August break, which is also the start of the campaign. The only difference is Obama’s “tone” of combative hyperpartisan populist rhetoric, to where people like you have been saying he needed to do, like when he was first running for president in 2007 and 08. Well guess what, he is running again for president, and is talking stump populism, as none of this shit has any chance of passing. With the trigger containing auto cuts for defense and medicare providers, both policies dems favor.
AxelFoley
@BobS:
I’m getting that you’re full of shit.
AxelFoley
@Uncle Clarence Thomas:
You and your mom are trolls, bitch. And no, you can’t have my cock.
Too Many Jimpersons (formerly Jimperson Zibb, Duncan Dönitz, Otto Graf von Pfmidtnöchtler-Pízsmőgy, Mumphrey, et al.)
Once again, I have to ask: Why do the boneheads obsess so about ABL? They see she’s written something. They know they won’t like it. So why do they wade in rather than just strolling on by to something they’ll like better? I don’t get it. It’s like they feel somehow personally attacked that she does her thing.
So, really, what the hell? Can’t you just leave these threads alone? We all know what you think already. We know you hate Obama, you think he’s a sellout, you think he’s a coward, you think he’s no better than Romney would be or McCain would have been, he’s a Wall Street flunky, he’s a war criminal, and on and on and on.
We know you think all that. Why must you go into it all over again in every fucking thread? What do you want from us? What will it take for you to just go away? Really, what do you want?
Now I know this is presumptuous, but I’m going to speak here for every mindless, zombielike Obot here when I tell you: You win. You’ve convinced us. You’re right, Obama is a corporate whore, a sellout, worthless, worse than McCain, worse than Romney, worse than Perry, worse than Bush, he stopped the public option because he wants Wall Street money, he let the Republicans have the Bush tax cuts because he was too weak, too dumb and too gutless to fight them, he can’t negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag; in short, he sucks ass in every way anybody could conceivably suck ass. Oh, and ABL is a shitty writer and a thin-skinned racist who hates whites and those of us in the ABL Fan Club are just self-hating white losers who want to assuage our white guilt by sucking up to her.
How’s that? We give up. You’re right. You’re right about everything. Is that enough? Can you now just leave these threads alone and let us do our own thing without barging in to derail everything? Go somewhere else, or even–here’s a thought–start your own blog! If you have one already, then write there. If you must write at Balloon Juice, write on other threads. Now that you’ve shown us how wrong we’ve been, we don’t need your selflessly given wisdom. We’re sorry we ever doubted you. You’ve won. Take your hard-earned victory and cherish it. Maybe ABL could throw together some kind of fundraiser to get all you sages shiny trophies. Seriously, I’d give a few dollars to the fund if some engraved trophies would get you all to go away. Would that be enough?
Bruce S
What ABL can’t deal with – and won’t (General Stuck’s delusions about the substance of message and focus not dramatically shifting aside, which are as laughable as they are shallow in terms of any tangible concern for issues as they impact real people) is that these threads became a haven for a dual argument. One was that the White House wasn’t doing what many folks feared in terms of going too far in pushing and prioritizing deficit reduction, while at the same time we heard characters here claiming that these same policies – which weren’t really being proposed – weren’t so bad (like raising the Medicare eligibility age.) Any push back was treated to the “firebagging” and “emoprogs” mantras, that are the strong suit of certain commenters here and their fearless leader.
I’ve called bullshit on you before and I’ve probably foolishly done it again. Waste of my fucking time, but I see that nothing’s changed. The lack of anything even approaching intellectual depth or reaching beyond hysterics over nonsense like Nader’s “primary”, while lumping anything challenging the routine into some crap stereotypes has been rancid on good days.
And basically General Stuck’s claim is no less than an opinion of the President that boils down to the insulting characterization of his most extreme critics. Nice…
Oh, and that nothing has changed substantively in the national conversation over the past weeks, other than that the 2012 campaign has gotten in gear. What an ignorant, blindered ass. But what I expect from that cohort…
General Stuck
Then why do you keep posting these whacked out manifestos if none of us can see or appreciate your genius. A normal person would go somewhere and comment where they could be appreciated. Like Mumphrey said in the comment above yours. I can tell you, I will not change my opinion of what you write, as “blindered” as it might be toward responding to your malignant bullshit. So why don’t you move on, there sparky. Before you give yourself an aneurism. We promise not to miss you.
But I got to admit, the level of your pomposity is rather impressive, and comical. It’s like we have our own Major Wingchester.
LTMidnight
@NR: You see this, kid?
http://www.barackobama.com/news/numbers
This is on the Obama campaign’s website. This is what they filed with the Federal Election Commission. So you’re not calling me a liar, you’re calling the Obama campaign a liar. Or at least, you’re accusing them of cooking the books.
But see here’s the thing.
As far as I know, no one who counts has called bullshit on this assessment.
The only people who have are Obama Derangement Syndrome infected emo libs like you who are invested in pushing the narrative of Obama “losing his base”.
Like I said, whatever helps you sleep at night.
General Stuck
I swear, what a menagerie of fools, that think they know how to do politics better than President Barack Obama.
JR in WV
@NR:
I notice that the % small donors for Mittens Romney is 10% of 14 million and for Rick Perry the % small donors is 4% of $15 million.
So 46% of $89.4 million is pretty good by comparison to his opponents.
The Godfather has a higher % of small donors, 50% of $1 million (yes, he raised one million).
EDIT: Ah, now I see, some are counting per cent of dollars, and some are counting per cent of donors… 98% of donors gave less than $250, raising 46% of the $89 million. There’s some facts!
President Obama has had a hell of a fight upstream, as I expected when he won. All the haters tend to hate a black man in power. I once worked for a black man in government who suffered due to the stress of everyday casual racism impeding his every move. It was awful to witness.
Given the uphill nature of his efforts, the President has done a pretty good job. Compared to Senator McCain, wonderful.
I read Senator McCain’s autobiography, and his description of his actions on the Forrestal (CV-59) when it caught fire on an active combat flight deck show him to be irresponsible and capable of misconduct under pressure. If his father and grandfather weren’t both highly regarded admirals, he would have been in a world of hurt for not following procedure.
The way he treats his second trophy rich wife is horrible, look it up. He is at best a sociopath, and not even a smart one…
So, looking at the choices, Mittens, Rick, the Godfather, or President Obama, can there be any clearer choice?
Not in my book.
Now I have to go to the hospital to be with my wife, who has been there since September. She is doing better, communicates well, walking, a little. Collapsed lung following pneumonia and septic shock. Scary
I hope Medicare will keep us from bankruptcy, it is too early to tell. Wake up with that at 4 am, and you find your perspective changing, or firming up at least.
LTMidnight
@JR in WV: Thank you JR. I was trying to get NR to see this.
But when your Obama Derangement Syndrome reaches past Stage 5 (there’s only 6 stages), the first thing to go is cognate thinking.
Derfbot 9000
@JR in WV:
Save your time, JR. Facts are unwelcome here. This is an ABL thread. Ignorant zealots who like to have the same daily argument need only apply.
Both NR and LTMidnight the Kid will be by shortly to thank you for proving that “they wuz rite!” even though they were never at any point arguing on the same point at the same time, and were instead just shrieking louder and louder like bats.
The President has a million small voters. True! More than anyone else, ever. Also true! He also hobnobs with rich people from Hollywood and Manhattan who raise tens of millions of dollars for him. Still true! Because he’s attempting to put together a billion dollars to defeat his corporate-machine opponents. Done? Done. Math sure is hard.
Now we can get to the real story, that there’s a picture of the President looking “orange.” Defcon 1, people. Defcon 1. Thanks, General Stuck for being on the lookout.
Too Many Jimpersons (formerly Jimperson Zibb, Duncan Dönitz, Otto Graf von Pfmidtnöchtler-Pízsmőgy, Mumphrey, et al.)
@Bruce S:
Now that you see that, what will your next move be? Why not heed that little voice telling you not to waste your time and not waste your time trying to enlighten us. As you now grasp, we’re too willfully ignorant to ever learn anything. As they say, teaching Obots the folly of their ways is like trying to teach a pig to sing: you get all muddy and it only annoys the pig. We’re tone-deaf pigs. We’ll never learn to sing your song. It’s too bad but there it is. You’ve done your best, but we’re sad, pitiful pigs, and we’re beyond redemption.
I hope you’ll bear in mind that I’m only telling you this to save you further frustration; it’s the least we owe you after all the selfless concern you’ve shown for us. Thank you. Thank you so, so very much, but we don’t deserve your patience and decency. You’ve done all you could, but now you should just sadly turn away to let us wallow in the mire of our mindless faith in the Almighty Obama.
NR
@LTMidnight: Oh my god. I cannot believe how stupid you are. You actually think that what JR posted supports your point?
You said that only $1.8 million out of the $90 million that Obama has raised came from big donations. That is completely, demonstrably false. You were trying to claim that most of the money Obama has raised came from small donors. You were wrong about that. Now, most people in this situation would simply admit they were wrong, do a mea culpa, and move on. But you’re too stupid see how you were wrong, or even grasp the fact that you were wrong in the first place!
Oh, and here’s another way that you’re wrong. The statement from Messina that you linked to? It only covers fundraising for the third quarter of this year. It doesn’t represent the total amount of money that Obama has raised. It doesn’t even represent the total amount that he’s raised this year. Of course the later quarters of a year are going to be more heavily weighted toward small donations, because the big donors are going to max out early on.
But of course, you’re probably too stupid to understand the difference between “third quarter” and “whole year,” too.
I will say this, though: You’re very entertaining. Your level of stupidity skates right past “pathetic” and wraps around to “utterly hilarious.”
phil
@MikeMc:
Pretty much the reason for anything Nader does.
Anybody who says that Nader is a progressive is just trying to trash the word.
Kathy in St. Louis
If I read throught the over 200 comments ahead of mine, I am sure that this would be the redundant, but true, gist of most of them. Ralph Nader has never gotten over his early success with the Corvair. He is seeking to do it one more time. I will always remember that he is one of the reasons that we had Bushie for 8 years….his little third party moment. Ralph needs to check out assisted living. His day is past. And it’s killing him.
LTMidnight
@NR: I made a mistake there, kid. At least I’m man enough to admit that.
But my bigger point stands. And i know that what burns your ass the most.
Are you gonna admit you were wrong about Obama “losing his base”?
Bruce S
Stuck – you’ve got nuthin’ in response.
Again. What a fool. And you’re the one who is rife with malignant bullshit – which is why I’ve held you in contempt since your first natterings about “firebagger.”
The brain-dead are no help to the President.
General Stuck
@Bruce S:
Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce!
NR
@LTMidnight: You had a bigger point? News to me.
And your posts don’t make me angry. They make me laugh. Case in point: When you just made as big an ass of himself as you just did, you don’t have any room to be condescending to the person who schooled you. That just makes you look like an even bigger ass.
Again: Take my advice and quit while you’re behind.
Bruce S
Stuck – you’re genuinely idiotic. Struggling to be shallow…
Uncle Clarence Thomas
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@LTMidnight:
When your Obama Deification Syndrome reaches past Stage 5 (there’s only 6 stages before “balloonbagger”), the first thing to go is cognate thinking.
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priscianusjr
Nader, yes. Maher, maybe. Moore, no.
ABL
@Bruce S: dude, you are so full of shit, it is downright hilarious.
ABL
@Too Many Jimpersons (formerly Jimperson Zibb, Duncan Dönitz, Otto Graf von Pfmidtnöchtler-Pízsmőgy, Mumphrey, et al.): because they are sad souls who cry out for attention, but you knew that.
::cue bruce in 5… 4… 3… 2…::
LTMidnight
@NR: I don’t take these internet arguments as seriously as you do, kid. That’s for people who are wrong more than they are right.
Like spending 2+ years claiming Obama is “losing his base”
LTMidnight
@Uncle Clarence Thomas: Imitation is the ultimate form of flattery.