Republicans never met a vagina they thought they couldn’t control as they continue to object to concept of “less government intrusion” actually including women and their reproductive organs.
Earlier this year, the Department of Health and Human Services announced new guidelines requiring insurance companies to cover contraceptive services free of charge.
But on Wednesday, a House subcommittee opened a hearing into the new guidelines, with Republicans arguing that that mandate does not offer a broad enough opt-out rule for religious groups and others who have a moral objection to providing such services.
The guidelines require insurance providers to cover women’s preventative services — which includes everything from birth control to breast exams — free of charge starting next August as part of the Affordable Care Act. Health and Human Services already exempted some religious groups from the new rules, but critics contend that the regulations still ensnare others who have a moral disagreement with birth control.
In opening remarks, Committee Chairman Rep. Joe Pitts (R-PA) said that the current opt-out clause is too narrow, and that the government was taking, “coercive actions to force people to abandon their religious principles.”
“When the healthcare law was being debated last Congress, the proponents adamantly refuted claims that this would be a federal government takeover of our healthcare system,” Pitts said. “Now we have the federal Department of Health and Human Services forcing every single person in this country to pay for services that they may morally oppose.”
I morally oppose paying the salaries of Republicans in Congress on the religious grounds that Zandarism finds Republicans to be completely amoral. As your boss and a taxpayer, I demand that you immediately remit your paychecks to the Treasury to make a dent in the deficit. Thanks.
What? It makes just as much sense as Pitts there, which is to say “none at all” and that the man shouldn’t be put in charge of a cardboard box for more than 37 seconds unless you wish to see it covered in flames and badly spelled lies about Obama’s country of birth and Pitts immediately asking you to give him another three boxes because Jesus said so, shut up, that’s why.
On the other hand, the fact that women in the GOP are all for this nonsense probably explains why Herman Cain will get away with this whole harassment thing. Tiny Vagina Governments for all the ladies!
Gin & Tonic
I morally oppose dropping bombs on innocent brown people. I want an opt-out clause, too.
gonzone
We must support all the tiny vagina governments and do some nation building. Foreign aid for all you f*ckers!! /s
What hypocrisy. Honest winger says: Out of the boardroom and into the bedroom!!
cleek
@Gin & Tonic:
seconded.
JPL
How does the fine rep feel about insurance companies paying for c-i-a-l-i-s? V-i-a-gra
Samara Morgan
I morally oppose propping dictators and proselytizing missionary democracy with force of arms.
And we are all Palestinians now.
Southern Beale
I morally oppose paying for V1@gr@ and C1@l1s prescriptions because I think if God wanted you to have sex He’d divinely give you a boner. And if you can’t get it up maybe there’s a reason.
Fair’s fair. No birth control? No potency pills. I really fail to see the difference.
You know what Republicans never mention is that a lot of women use bc pills for hormone regulation and for other medical reasons, not for actual birth control. I had a friend who had periods every 2 weeks and had been on bc since she was 17 to address that problem.
But … whatever. Let’s be real people. This is all a distraction. Another one of those culture war things. Republicans have no ideas except cut taxes, cut regulation and cut spending, even though these things haven’t worked. And now that the plebes have awakened to this fraud, the Republicans decide to pick on vaginas and immigrants. It’s the ol’ distract-o ploy.
Annelid Gustator
@Gin & Tonic: But… but… but…
deep cap
@Gin & Tonic: Thirded.
Cacti
I morally oppose paying Congress a salary of more than the median individual income for their state.
scav
What we need are some practicing and devout Aztecs to demand to be allowed to worship Tlaloc properly — Xipe Totec would be a good alternative. Because if xians can demand blood sacrifice to their gods, why not others?
Trentrunner
This is the logical next step after you allow abortion funding opt-outs. It was stupid of Dems to ever allow/support that, and now there’s no consistent reason not to make other cafeteria-style opt-outs.
Way to go, Dems.
Samara Morgan
@Zandar
do you get the Balloon Juice Schizophrenia Model yet?
the commentariat here sneers at Assange and gloats that Wikileaks is being starved of funds by the neo-corporatists, while nobly embracing the occupies.
/spit
Zifnab
What happens if we just incorporated all the vaginas and called the vagina industry too big to fail? Would they be entitled to government money then?
jrg
@Gin & Tonic: Where are your priorities?
Clearly, you’re not a Christian.
Baud
Wait, what? The Republicans are upset because a Democratic administration is implementing a Democratically passed statute in a way that expands women’s access to health care, and one of the responses on a progressive-leaning blog is to criticize the Democrats.
Jeez, I wonder why the GOP thinks they can get away with behaving the way they do.
RSA
The next time I hear a Republican in Congress say that half of all Americans pay no taxes [sic], I’ll think of Joe Pitts:
So which is it? Half or all?
Steve
If 42% of black people voted Republican a lot of us would say, “What don’t they get?” And yet…
Southern Beale
@Zifnab:
I think all women should incorporate their vaginas. Brilliant idea. Then we’d not only have protection, we’d have free speech.
Seriously, keep pushing this shit Republicans and you’ll find a little Lysistrata action on the homefront. Of course, the Republicans are all closeted gays, they probably wouldn’t care.
Speaking of gay, waiting for Rick Perry’s gay allegations to surface again … seem to recall that was an issue during one of the governor’s races.
General Stuck
No problemo
It’s Thursday, and Thursdays are always alienate women voters day for the GOP. Yesterday was jackboot pepper spray a hippie in handcuffs day.
The weekend schedule hasn’t been released yet, but I believe it is past due – bash Hispanics day. Or it could be continued GOP perv day, AKA – the day the music died – – Herman Cain sings Nearer My God To Thee, on national teevee
Next week a right wing treat. Will Feature a full week of “Obama Sucks On the Potomac’, and. With prayer sessions of “why can’t that nigger be more like Bill Clinton?
Samara Morgan
ummm….Zandar.
you are supposed to give me a oneday timeout for being off topic.
Don’t you have the protocol down yet?
kindness
I am truly hoping Democrats retake the House in 2012. When Nancy Pelosi is running the show again, these nimrods won’t be able to plaster their hurt fefe’s over the press as easily as they have it now. Well, that plus the Teahaddists brains explode when Nancy is up there with the gavel. It’ll be a win/win situation.
@Samara Morgan: Why do you have to do that? Why hijack a good thread and make everything a confrontation. How much of a troll are you really?
scav
@Trentrunner: Well, rape is the logical outcome of going out in that skirt, no? Isn’t that what you’re saying? The active entity in any situation is simply never to be blamed. The Feds enacted laws that the banking industry begged for, and those laws didn’t forbid economically dodgy loans, so it’s the Fed’s fault the economy collapsed. I see a similarity of reasoning here.
Zifnab
@Southern Beale:
They won’t surface until Mitt starts lagging him in the polls. Perry is doing such a good job shooting himself in the foot that it hardly matters right now.
eemom
@Samara Morgan:
here ya go, toko-loko.
Stand by your man.
Samara Morgan
@kindness: gin and tonic started it.
Bitch at him.
eemom
@Samara Morgan:
oh, and I forgot to highlight this part:
bwaahaaahaaahaaaa
Gin & Tonic
@Samara Morgan: WTF?
Samara Morgan
@eemom: what Assange predicted is coming true, crone.
America is becoming a police state on its way to NLS collapse.
Does this sound familiar?
Sounds like OWS to me. :)
you and sooner better step up your crotchsniffing.
Amir Khalid
@Samara Morgan:
No, dearie. The juicitariat (lovely word, by the way; may I keep using it?) are well aware of Julian Assange’s flaws, particularly in his personal life and his stewardship of Wikileaks, but we do acknowledge that Wikileaks has done some worthwhile things and should continue if possible. It’s your hero-worship of him that clouds your judgement.
The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik
I’m being serious when I say that I get the feeling that we’re seeing the end of legal abortion within my lifetime. Not because Roe v. Wade will die or anything, just the GOP has locked down state-level so fucking hard and gamed the law to where abortion is technically legal, but any legal avenue for it is not only wiped out and demonized, but enabling the terror and stalking of asshat groups like Operation Rescue to where there’s simply not going to be anyone left TO do them. Oh, and letting hospitals let women die on the fucking floor if they need an emergency abortion to live but the doctors don’t want to because ‘hey, fuck you slut, you should’ve kept your legs closed’.
The Other Bob
My religion – or lack thereof – morally opposes opt-out clauses for religious reasons. It automatically forces government to determine what a legitimate and illegitimate religion is.
Religious opt-out for vaccines, bullying (yes this one is included in an anti-bullying bill moving in Michigan), medical care and the draft is just crap. Some of this stuff endangers others or people’s own children.
Why is a religious objection of greater weight than a simple moral objection?
Samara Morgan
@eemom: meh, media smear job like the whole sex charges attack.
Julian is a quellist and an anti-capitalist. He believes in restructuring the power distribution.
Libertarians believe in localized mob rule and the “freed” market.
you could read something by Assange instead of crotchsniffing media smear jobs.
but you wont.
The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik
@The Other Bob:
‘Cuz this here’s a Christian Nation, see? Don’t you see “In God We Trust” on your money?
Samara Morgan
@Amir Khalid: sure, use away.
the difference between me and say…. eemom, is that i have actually READ Assange, instead of swallowing the neocorporatist smear jobs.
Assangian Information Theory will be taught in college classrooms in a cuple of decades.
Its pretty fascinating.
The writing is on the wall.
If just the juicitariat cant read.
xian
i liked this blog before it was taken over by trolls
Moonbatman
Stupid Wingnuts are going to cause a Population bomb!
Progressives will have to adopt this common sense solution and then get swiftboated as Control Freaks!!!
John Holdren, Obama’s Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet
Free Persecuted Political Prisoners and Social Justice Warriors Steven Hayes and Joshua Komisarjevsky!
Samara Morgan
Its just that the juicitariat cant read.
Scott
Aww, matoko likes a libertarian! It’s cute!
The Other Bob
@Moonbatman:
But it will be a white population bomb, so that will keep all the browns from taking over, so that’s OK.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Scott: I beg to differ. Nothing cute about a rude, aggressive and petulant child who thread bombs ever other post to insult the blog’s authors and posters while having a toddleresque tantrum. Tiresome is the word that comes to mind. I need cleek’s pie machine.
kindness
@Samara Morgan: Again, turning everything into a confrontation with you in the center. You got some ‘attention’ issues and you come off like a troll. Why don’t you start your own damned blog?
Samara Morgan
@Scott: hes not a libertarian, hes anti-capitalist for one one thing.
Hyar there be libertarians.
By their “freed” market pirate colors shall ye know them.
Roy G
I thought 53% of Americans didn’t pay taxes… Oh wait, wrong topic!
Jim Pharo
As long as we get to choose, I’d like not to fund the killing of children born years ago overseas.
I like being able to pick!
Samara Morgan
@kindness: again, gin&tonic started it and eemom linked the neocorporatist smear machine.
bitch at them.
Roy G
Oops, Not enough coffee, I meant 47% are freeloaders – but if they did pay taxes, they would surely be outraged by this!
eemom
@Scott:
ain’t it though? Also it kind of hearkens back to her obsession with ED Kain.
In fact, ALL her little psychosexual preoccupations are beginning to make sense now….
eemom
@Samara Morgan:
The “neocorporatist smear machine” is a single Swedish female journalist, citing other Swedish citizens who previously supported Your Hero, you little liar.
Samara Morgan
@eemom: meh. Assange is an asshole. go figure.
so was Jobs and i vastly admired him too.
again, my point is you have only read crotchsniffing smear jobs on Assange because either that is the limit of your taste or its simply all you are intellectually capable of.
comrade scott's agenda of rage
@gonzone:
“Honest winger” is an oxymoron.
Gin & Tonic
@Samara Morgan: I started your off-topic fellating of Assange? Good to know.
Samara Morgan
@xian: tant pis.
i’d liek it better if there weren’t any xians.
Samara Morgan
@Gin & Tonic: nope, you just inspired this comment.
eemom kicked off my defense of Assange.
Comrade Dread
Two points,
First, as a Christian opposed to needless warfare, does this mean I (and my co-religionists) can opt out of paying the percentage of our taxes that is destined to go to the DoD?
Second, access to, education about, and use of contraception will reduce abortions. This is a net positive goal for someone who is Pro-Life.
Hewer of Wood, Drawer of Water
@Gin & Tonic: see, it’s all your fault. You just had to go and make a comment relevant to the post. You should have known better
Commenting at Ballon Juice since 1937
I say we sterilize all Republicans then birth control won’t even be an issue.
Samara Morgan
@Comrade Dread:
But they do not see it that way. To them birth control IS abortion.
Life at Conception (aka medieval ensoulement) is part of the GOP platform. Every two years Focus on the Family puts it on the ballot here in Colorado.
They are self-described christians.
Are you some other kind of christian?
Gin & Tonic
@Hewer of Wood, Drawer of Water: Indeed. But since it wasn’t a mistermix post, I wasn’t expecting m_c to jump in right away.
blondie
I am morally opposed to the death penalty. I, therefore, want none of my tax dollars to go toward any governmental costs associated with the death penalty, e.g., the prison system, the court system, police, etc.
Omnes Omnibus
@ m_c: Do you have any grasp of nuance at all? Everything is either purple or green in your world, isn’t it?
Catsy
@Samara Morgan: Watch closely, people, because this is a classic bait-and-switch tactic from this longtime troll.
1. Samara posted this comment–#12–about the “Balloon Juice Schizophrenia Model”, complaining that “the commentariat here sneers at Assange and gloats that Wikileaks is being starved of funds by the neo-corporatists, while nobly embracing the occupies.”
2. eemom replied to that comment with #20, linking to a takedown of Assange in The Guardian.
3. kindness replied to Samara’s #12 with #21, asking why she would “hijack a good thread and make everything a confrontation.”
4. Samara replied to kindness with #25, saying: “gin and tonic started it. Bitch at him.”
5. kindness responded with #41, challenging Samara’s behavior again.
6. Samara responded with #45, again claiming (falsely) that “gin&tonic started it”, but then going one further with “and eemom linked the neocorporatist smear machine.” Notice that Samara is trying to blame eemom for having a part in instigating this–for posting a comment (#20) that came after Samara’s first off-topic attack (#12).
7. Gin & Tonic replied to #45 with “I started your off-topic fellating of Assange? Good to know.”
8. Samara replied with #53, saying, “nope, you just inspired this comment”–which is a link to Samara’s #5, “I morally oppose propping dictators and proselytizing missionary democracy with force of arms.” She is clearly saying that this was inspired by Gin & Tonic’s comment #1 on this thread, which expressed a desire for an opt-out clause for “dropping bombs on innocent brown people.” Which was not only posted–again–before Samara’s “Balloon Juice Schizophrenia Model” comment at #12 that is in contention here, it has nothing at all to do with it.
So to recap for the tl;dr people: Samara posts an insulting generalization about B-J commenters, and when challenged for that behavior, blames Gin & Tonic for no reason at all, then blames eemom for what she posted in reply to Samara’s generalization, and then blames Gin & Tonic for inspiring a comment that has nothing at all to do with the generalization on which she’s being challenged.
And this is not the first time she’s done this. This is a repeating pattern.
Is it any wonder she’s treated like a troll and a nutjob around here?
Yutsano
@Samara Morgan:
So much for People of the Book. Are you this bigoted in real life?
Steve
I wonder how certain people are able to determine so readily that Herman Cain is a total Gropinator, while the sex charges against Julian Assange are clearly an utter fabrication. I’m sure it’s got to be something more complex than “I like one of them but not the other,” and yet one wonders.
Samara Morgan
@Catsy: Samara posts
an insulting generalizationan empirical observation about B-J commenters.fixt that for you catsy.
:)
Yutsano
@Samara Morgan:
I do not think this means what you think it means. Empirical observations very rarely involve spitting.
Catsy
@Samara Morgan: That’s nice. Okay. So in #12 you posted what you assert is “an empirical observation about B-J commenters”. Let’s assume, arguendo, that your characterization is accurate. It’s not, but since that’s the only defense you threw out, let’s assume it and get it out of the way.
Now how about responding to the actual substance of my argument: your train wreck of cause & effect. It’s right there in the same paragraph you just partially quoted.
Samara Morgan
@Yutsano: i meant id like it better if there werent any xians on this blog, in response to xians preference for no trolls on this blog.
Of course there can be xians in RL…..they dont have the substrate to be anything else.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Yutsano: Happy Belated to you! You know the answer to your question. That bigoted and that dull – mocking a serious mental illness with an inaccurate reference in “schizophrenia model” should be a clue, since schizophrenia is characterized by difficulty distinguishing reality from fantasy, as opposed to having mutually exclusive views. Could be projection though, as the disorder is also known to create difficulty with logical thinking and also behaving normally in social situations.
Samara Morgan
@Catsy: i was just being courteous to Zandar and explaining the established blog-protocol of how to deal with me.
:)
what is untrue about my empirical observation on the Schizophrenia of Balloon Juice?
Comrade Dread
@Samara Morgan: There is no life prior to conception. Sperm and egg on their own are simply biological building blocks that have yet to combine into a human life.
Reducing unwanted pregnancy through birth control reduces abortion, which is a net gain in my book, and should be encouraged.
As to the comment regarding my faith, you obviously have your own strong impressions and anger about religious people, and I doubt that anything I could say will change that, so I don’t find it constructive to get into an argument.
Samara Morgan
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): the irrational treatment of OWS and WL is evidence of schizophrenic personality disorder.
ie, cheering the owies while gloating that the neocorporatists are starving off WL funding.
Yutsano
@Samara Morgan:
Not your blog. So you have no right to dictate who comes here. And your own blog was fail.
Samara Morgan
@Comrade Dread: i agree with all that, but it is ALSO true that Life at Conception is part of the official GOP party platform, and many christians here in Colorado believe birth control == abortion.
Catsy
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I have no idea whether or not Samara is clinically schizophrenic, but she has stated in the past that she has Asperger’s:
When I originally read this (and her other comments as matoko_chan in which she identified (her words) as an “aspie”) I felt sympathy. I have seen how Asperger’s can affect a person’s social interactions and it’s not entirely their fault.
But there’s a line. And she keeps running marathons on the wrong side of it.
Xenos
If life begins at conception, then life begins a couple days before pregnancy. This makes no sense. How can an non-pregnant woman be responsible to her non-fetus?
Samara Morgan
@Yutsano:
and neither does xian.
neither one of us was dictating…we were both just citing preferences.
indeed, it was a fail. you are absolutely right.
i was stalked, and my blog was reported for hate-speech.
i prefer the relative anonymity of commenting on big blogs now…
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Catsy: I was not suggesting a diagnosis, but pointing out some actual characteristics of a serious disease she has mischaracterized. I won’t engage, but her insistence that the concurrently held beliefs are evidence of “schizophrenic personality disorder” actually medically called schizotypal personality disorder is equally inaccurate. Trying to explain that would be like talking to a very stubborn and angry doorknob, however, so I won’t bother.
Catsy
@Samara Morgan:
You are joking. I get that. I am not joking. I am challenging your misbehavior and you do not get to deflect it by making a joke out of your trolling habits.
Whether it is untrue or not is irrelevant to the bad arguments and misbehavior that I am asking you to defend and explain. Specifically, that you posted an off-topic comment describing B-J commenters negatively, and when challenged on that you blamed people who posted completely unrelated comments (Gin & Tonic) and people who posted things after your off-topic comment (eemom) for “starting it”. Once again, how about addressing the actual substance of the argument instead of deflecting it and cherry-picking details that are irrelevant to that argument?
Samara Morgan
@Xenos: the “argument” is that birth control (some kinds) prevents implantation, thus KILLING a diploid oocyte or “person” in the Right’s definition.
it makes little sense, but that is the consensus of the conservative/GOP position.
in colorado they call it the “personhood bill”, ie a fertilized egg is a human person with citizen rights.
dont ask me to explain it, i think its crazipants.
scav
Just a passing brief meta-giggle about a thread titled Bunch of Control Freaks being dominated by one very out of control one.
Samara Morgan
@Catsy: we’ve been over this before.
as a commenter you are unable to modulate my behavior.
the FPers can give me a time out. write to them.
ABT
Comrade Dread
@Samara Morgan:
The propositions: “Life begins at conception”, “Life begins prior to conception” are mutually exclusive and cannot be linked in a logical fashion, and I’ve honestly met few Christians who embrace the idea.
Now, I have heard rationalizations that man shouldn’t be ‘playing God’ by trying to assert control over when and how a baby is created, but I find this argument lacking because:
a. Birth control is not 100% effective, and I’m sure that if God actually wants you to have a baby, he can find a way to make that happen regardless of what birth control you’re using, including (in the case of the virgin Mary) abstinence.
Those who do embrace the ‘every sperm is sacred’ assertion (typically devout Catholics, though in practice many Catholics use birth control anyway), do so through a bizarre interpretation of one verse in the Old Testament which in context was more about one man’s greed than about him using the pull out method.
Catsy
@Samara Morgan: I am not attempting to “modulate” your behavior. I am pointing out the blatant errors of logic and chronology in who you blamed when you were challenged for your off-topic provocation in comment #12, and asking you to defend or explain them.
You can’t, because they make no sense. You picked a fight and then blamed two people for starting it: Gin & Tonic for posting an entirely unrelated comment that inspired an entirely unrelated comment of yours, and eemom for her reply that came after the off-topic comment that everyone is challenging.
This is crazy-person behavior, Samara. This is not a matter of perspective. This is not a matter of opinion. And this is not some level of genius or subtlety of yours that we “cudlips” can’t grasp. It is about defending bad behavior with basic, fundamental errors in the chronological order in which comments were posted and the content of those posts, errors which you refuse to acknowledge or explain.
Because you can’t, and you refuse to own up to it.
This kind of thing is why you are deservedly treated like a troll here.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Catsy: You have about 46 times more patience than I do.
Epicurus
Please stop feeding the troll! I have found that my enjoyment of this comments section is highly improved by simply skipping over any posts from “samara” or “matoko” or whatever alias this idiot is using this week. Ignore them, they will go away! It’s a fool’s errand, trying to argue logically and rationally with a mentally-disturbed person. Cole, can’t we just banhammer this jerk?
Gex
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): It’s sad to see people who get their joy out of ruining an experience for others. Sad, and annoying.
Catsy
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Oh, I’m out of patience with her. Have been for a while. I’m just not letting her get away with this one. Most of the time she either isn’t as blatantly insane as this or manages to muddy the waters with so much nonsense and noise that it’s impossible to lay out a clear explanation of exactly how and why her behavior or arguments are so egregiously wrong.
In this case it’s not difficult. She can’t explain it because it’s impossible, and she demonstrates that with every single reply–she attacks choices of wording, cherry-picks irrelevant details and repeatedly avoids responding in any way to what she’s actually being challenged on.
Her only other alternative would be to acknowledge that she was wrong and that it was her own comment that instigated this, and apparently she’s unwilling to do that–which is why she keeps responding to anything but the core issues here even when they’re spelled out in black and white.
Steve
@Catsy: But who are you making the point to? Her, when she won’t get it no matter what you say? Or your fellow commentors, who all share the same opinion of her and mostly just prefer that the whole back-and-forth with the troll simply go away?
I doubt you believe that anything you could say to this person, no matter how well-stated, could actually (a) make her realize she’s wrong or (b) make her go away. Surely you know better. But in that case, what’s the goal here? Do you have an exit strategy?
Gin & Tonic
@Steve: My exit strategy was called lunch.
Like Mose Allison said: life is short, talk is cheap.
BrianM
Crooked Timber is sometimes too heavy-handed in moderation, but I like their intolerance of the kind of back-and-forth we *always* get with Samara Morgan. They say: “You’ve said your piece. Your opponents have said their pieces. Now you stop taking over the thread.”
Catsy
@Steve:
Neither, really.
By this point it is more for the benefit of two groups: commenters who aren’t regular enough to have an understanding of just how unhinged this person is, and those with the ability to ban her for trolling but haven’t yet deemed her to cross the line.
Occasionally with recurring trolls like her it is helpful to have a “defining moment” thread to which you can link where newcomers can see for themselves the kind of behavior that arouses such contempt for her, without having to give a bunch of exposition explaining the whole history.
My exit strategy is simple: assuming your opinions about the likelihood of (a) or (b) are correct (which would be my bet as well), I stop when I get bored of watching her twist in the wind trying to repeatedly respond to me without actually responding to the parts it’s impossible for her to defend.
I’m bored. And hungry, which makes me suspect Gin & Tonic has the right idea.
rikryah
moral disagreement with birth control?
I feel about this the same way I feel about pharmacists who think they shouldn’t have to fill your prescriptions because it goes ‘ against their conscience’
get another damn job.
I don’t give a shyt if you have a moral disagreement with it…you aren’t taking it
Steve
@Catsy: I think your strategy makes it less likely that people will ban the troll, as there’s no point in banning someone if you still have to wade through 40 responses to them.
eemom
I’m still giggling my ass off that toko-loko’s Knight In Shining Armor is a libertarian — according to people who actually, like, KNOW him.
hee hee hee
eemom
and here is the direct quote from what our little urchin dismisses as a “neocorporatist smear machine”:
Samara Morgan
@eemom: hey, crone.
you cannot be an anti-capitalist and a libertarian.
the two are mutually exclusive.
lol democracy is the problem….Assange believes in democracy, ie the right of the citizens to know what their government is doing.
wunner who’s paying “noted leftwing spinner” Johefson’s mortgage. :)
SectarianSofa
Hey now, can’t say that dirty word here!
…
Oh wait, I thought you said “uterus”.
…
Nevermind.
Samara Morgan
@eemom: Steve Jobs is another of my preux chevaliers and he was an asshole too.
your personal crotchsniffing opinion of Assange doesnt matter.
He’s still the father of hacktivism and he still changed the world.
cant stop the signal.
;)
Samara Morgan
@Catsy: but im not wrong.
i was right about Erik “Beyond Unions” Kain, i was right that the US wouldn’t be able to leave troops in Iraq, I was right about Libya having a happy ending (for Libyans).
And im right that the juicitariat is largely a bunch of flaming hypocrites for gloating over the neocorporatists starving WL of fundage while climbing on the OWS bandwagon.
Gin & Tonic
@Samara Morgan: Wow. Read some history, kid.
Ever hear of 2600? L0pht, Cult of the Dead Cow, Legions of the Underground, UrBaN Ka0s, I could go on and on. Phil Zimmerman ring a bell? Where would Assange be without encryption?
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Gin & Tonic: Your comment made me LOL. Which I needed. Don’t confuse the issue with facts, for crying out loud. They are very inconvenient to fiercely held positions.
Gin & Tonic
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I know this is a dead thread, but posting this here just for shits and giggles. Here’s what Phil wrote 10 years ago about the software he released 20 years ago(!) Was m_c even in kindergarten?
In 1991 Assange was hacking into Nortel’s computers in Melbourne. Zimmerman was changing the world (and, to add delicious irony, he was named a “Hero of Freedom” by Reason mag.)
Samara Morgan
@Gin & Tonic: i do. not. get. your. point.
Sure Julian stands on the shoulders of giants.
We all do.
IPOF we all stand on Alan Turing shoulders if you wanna be accurate, martyred homoseckshual that he was. Do you get Turing? The FUCKING BRITISH STATE decided he shouldn’t have gender preference because it was it a threat to the Nation and KILLED him with poison while trying to change his biology.
Just like Amerikkka Fuck Yeah! has decided Julian is a threat to the Security State.
So gloves off, anything the pentagonites wanna do is …..justified.
i know about THE PAST.
but the Past is Dust….and time travel to the past is IMPOSSIBLE because of closed form time curves. Ibn Arabi, Dr. Hawking and Dr. Carroll agree.
you dont need to teach me.
IPOF just because im researching for a multimedia paper on the history of ska….
Desmond Dekker.
That cat was ice-cold.
Samara Morgan
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): again, you are about as hiphop as michael steele and miley cyrus.
change your nic, Twilight.
Samara Morgan
And also too.
I want a retraction from whichever members of the old harpy patrol that denied a correlation between OWS and the Arab Spring.
Ahm lookin at you catsy.
Gin & Tonic
@Samara Morgan:
Simple. You said “father of hacktivism.” He isn’t.
Samara Morgan
@Gin & Tonic: sure he is.
he is the father of hacktivism as a doctrine, as an ideology.
Have you read any of his stuff?
He formalized it.
The guys you are citing were HACKERS, not HACKTIVISTS.
Gin & Tonic
@Samara Morgan: If you do not understand why Phil Zimmerman wrote and released PGP, then you are either illiterate or wilfully ignorant, as he made his motivations explicit from the outset. Read my quote from him in #102 above.
THE
@Samara Morgan:
I find this one of your more bizarre comments.
At some level all states are police states.
They will use the full force of state power to defend the established system or they go down in revolution and get replaced by someone who is prepared to use the full force of state power.
You should never misunderstand the extent to which popular democracy is a tool for giving a voice to the masses, but by no means gives them total control of the state relative to other stakeholders and special interest groups: capital, labor, the military, religion (in those states that have significant religions), etc.
Democracy is theory, politics is the art of the possible.
Also:
If you think USA is repressive now what about anti labor repression in the Great Depression? What about the Kent State shootings in the Vietnam protest era? What about Segregation in the South in the 60’s. I can still remember this! Seeing it on TV as a child.
Jeepers, where to start?
USA is free/not free like all modern states. There is a tiger lurking beneath that soft fluffy exterior. Never doubt it.
Samara Morgan
@Gin & Tonic: look.
im not going to nitpick the origins of hacktivism with you. the objection juicers have to Assange is “his personality sukks”. well, idc.
I have read his stuff and the guy is genius, and history will tell.
this is still an American centric blog.
the juicers think there are “good” secrets and “bad” secrets. The antipathy of eemom and sooner and burnesy to Manning and Assange is part of ingrained american exceptionalism.
the juicitariat rejects the idea that OWS is part of a global movement, like WL, like Assange.
but scolding me and yelling get off my lawn isnt going to change anything.
After the Arab Spring, the American Fall.
and….just for Paul….winter is coming.
Samara Morgan
@THE: that is Julian’s comment, not mine.
Catsy
@Samara Morgan: I’m not sure why I checked back in this thread, but I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
At what point did I express any kind of opinion about any correlation between OWS and the Arab Spring?
Links or begone.
Yutsano
@Samara Morgan:
For a spoiled white rich girl typing in Colorado, this comment is ironic.