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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2012 / Cain Press Conference

Cain Press Conference

by John Cole|  November 8, 20115:36 pm| 202 Comments

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I’m not watching, but according to twitter Cain is having a press conference and is completely imploding.

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  1. 1.

    Mustang Bobby

    November 8, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Can you flail and implode at the same time?

  2. 2.

    Captain Haddock

    November 8, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    From what I’ve read, depending on the sources, he is either:

    1. Making a complete and total ass of himself.
    2. Shining like a white hot beacon of Conservative Truth.

  3. 3.

    Trainrunner

    November 8, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Atticus Finch gave the intro. The repeated boom-chicka-wow-wow music was unnecessary.

  4. 4.

    Lolis

    November 8, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    It was awful. His habit of referring to himself in the third person is grating.

  5. 5.

    blahblah

    November 8, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Herman Cain does not recall having this press conference or ever having met Twitter.

    Those are baseless accusations, John. Baseless and disturbing.

  6. 6.

    scav

    November 8, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    So? “Our” implosions are better than “Their” implosions.

  7. 7.

    David Hunt

    November 8, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    @Captain Haddock: Those two activities are entirely compatible and often go together.

  8. 8.

    ruemara

    November 8, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    You know, if he would promise to really implode during a republican debate, i would send him a dollar. But he has to do it for real and large enough to take out everyone in the room.

  9. 9.

    Hal

    November 8, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    Forget Hermain Cain. Heavy D is dead! Who cares about Black Walnut when the overweight lover has left this world.

  10. 10.

    General Stuck

    November 8, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    Cain is having a press conference and is completely imploding.

    Don’t know why, but i did listen to it on xm. Wince worthy doesn’t do it justice, accusing democrats (the machine) of being behind sending these women out to destroy his campaign

    Most dems would thank baby jeevus for making him the GOP candidate. But the most cringe worthy thing to me was his playing the women do it too card for sexual harassment.

  11. 11.

    David in NY

    November 8, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    What, you don’t think that women sexually harass men, more than men do women?

    Let’s convene a supercommittee of John Derbyshire, David Brooks and maybe Ross Douthat to settle that one.

  12. 12.

    kindness

    November 8, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Cain’s 15 minutes got caught up in the Twilight Zone of Daylight Savings Time. Oh Noes!

  13. 13.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    November 8, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    @Captain Haddock: I’ll go with both: making a complete pig of himself, shining like a white hot bacon of conservative truth.

  14. 14.

    TooManyJens

    November 8, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    I just want to know what happened to make him stop blaming Rick Perry and start blaming Democrats.

  15. 15.

    Quarks

    November 8, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Now, now, John, you know all that stuff on Twitter is just part of the evil Democratic – er, Democrat – machine. Unless the tweets are supporting Cain, in which case, you can believe them completely.

  16. 16.

    Hal

    November 8, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    @General Stuck:

    Don’t know why, but i did listen to it on xm. Wince worthy doesn’t do it justice, accusing democrats (the machine) of being behind sending these women out to destroy his campaign

    I thought it was Rick Perry’s campaign combined with racism he doesn’t think exists, except when your a black conservative.

  17. 17.

    Villago Delenda Est

    November 8, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    @Lolis:

    Bob Dole does not approve.

  18. 18.

    Quaker in a Basement

    November 8, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Awesome! A new conservative martyr is born!

  19. 19.

    MikeJ

    November 8, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim: mmmmm. White hot bacon…..

  20. 20.

    Davis X. Machina

    November 8, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    Can we ignore him yet? Or do we have to wait three years, and then ignore him, like Mrs. Palin?

  21. 21.

    The Moar You Know

    November 8, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Did he light up a cigarette afterwards?

  22. 22.

    Short Bus Bully

    November 8, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Shorter Herman Cain: “Bitches, man… Bitches.”

  23. 23.

    Irving

    November 8, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    @Mustang Bobby: Only if you’re a Muppet.

  24. 24.

    cathyx

    November 8, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Cain is “Still Crazy After All These Years”.

  25. 25.

    pragmatism

    November 8, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    so it appears he was saying that its the “democratic machine’s” fault, though he can’t provide any proof of this. also, too, he doesn’t know the accuser is but she’s a “troubled woman”.
    i guess it really is irresponsible not to speculate.

  26. 26.

    The Other Chuck

    November 8, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    I got 999 problems but a b*tch ain’t one.

    It’s five.

  27. 27.

    ThatLeftTurnInABQ

    November 8, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    @Lolis:

    His habit of referring to himself in the third person is grating.

    Bob Dole is not amused that some upstart pizza guy has stolen his trademark.

  28. 28.

    Brachiator

    November 8, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    I’m not watching, but according to twitter Cain is having a press conference and is completely imploding.

    Cain is a political neophyte, and it shows. While he is trying to defend himself against the charges made by Sharon Bialek, others are coming forward.

    Karen Kraushaar, one of the first to settle, is the poster child for credible.

    At this point, it is not just Cain’s political career on the line. His entire public life and business career may end up in shreds.

  29. 29.

    sukabi

    November 8, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    @The Other Chuck: now THAT should be on a bumper sticker…

  30. 30.

    Cat Lady

    November 8, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    I wonder what the woman-to-man ratio is these days for Cain – it took about 50 women accusing Juan Williams before the WaPo made him issue his statement. 999 women?

  31. 31.

    JWL

    November 8, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    The question now becomes: has Cain been Borked, or Thomassed?

    Don’t kid yourself, either. Ted Kennedy is involved, some how, some way.

  32. 32.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    November 8, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Hmm, might not even last the week after all.

    He imploded last night. Going on a talk show accused of being a misogynist sexual harraser and abuser and demonstrating that he’s not by making crude sexual insults out of the blue about the attorney making the allegations and how he would never pay her for sex — yes, very reassuring Herm.

  33. 33.

    Martin

    November 8, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    In summary:

    “I don’t know her. Hell, I’ve never even met a white woman. Do they have brains? I don’t know! I’ll submit to a polygraph if you put me on Mount Rushmore. And this is just part of a Democrat conspiracy to sexually harass me.”

    I think it’s going about as well as can be expected.

  34. 34.

    Villago Delenda Est

    November 8, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    @ruemara:

    You’re thinking of that incredible scene from Scanners, aren’t you?

    Given the comic book nature of this entire affair, I’d think that “kerplode” would be more appropriate…

  35. 35.

    scav

    November 8, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    @JWL: ACORN! I hear they hate Black Walnuts.

  36. 36.

    rb

    November 8, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    @ThatLeftTurnInABQ: And George is gettin’ very upset!

  37. 37.

    sukabi

    November 8, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    how long before he blames the asteroid for his f’n presser?

  38. 38.

    Chuck Butcher

    November 8, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Cain Game just because I actually watched it and the lead in and …

  39. 39.

    drew42

    November 8, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    If women sexually harassing men in the workplace was common, I would have never stopped working at an office.

  40. 40.

    rb

    November 8, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Paterno is straight LOVING this.

  41. 41.

    lamh35

    November 8, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    @Hal: that’s what I posted on twitter when I heard the news. dude was 44 and has a daughter. Way too young.

  42. 42.

    Martin

    November 8, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    @rb: Nah. That shoe is going to drop hard. It’ll plow right over any Cain news.

  43. 43.

    Waldo

    November 8, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    @Davis X. Machina: I’m thinking the next phase will be deciding who among his GOP rivals will get his endorsement. And that will probably come down to some long limo rides and how each of the candidates responds to one simple question: Do you want the job or not?

    My money is on Mitt.

  44. 44.

    SiubhanDuinne

    November 8, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    Sexual harassment itself is never funny; this thread about sexual harassment, OTOH, is just overflowing with win.

  45. 45.

    Jenny

    November 8, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    This is Great News for Paterno!

  46. 46.

    harlana

    November 8, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    how did i know this was going to be an awesomely hilarious comments thread?

  47. 47.

    Darnell From LA

    November 8, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Is it just me or does anyone else half expect Herman Cain at any minute to say something like:

    “Shiit, HERMAN CAIN doesn’t need no off-brand pussy!”

    Or:

    “Shit people, you just can’t put a price on good pussy! Ya know what I mean, right?”

  48. 48.

    sukabi

    November 8, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    @Waldo: but do you think he’ll ask right or left hand for the cup o’ nuts?

  49. 49.

    elftx

    November 8, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Five women…Five Flags behind him….hmmmm!!

  50. 50.

    harlana

    November 8, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    @The Other Chuck:

    I got 999 problems but a b*tch ain’t one. It’s five.

    For the next 24 hours, anyways.

  51. 51.

    The Dangerman

    November 8, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    @drew42:

    If women sexually harassing men in the workplace was common, I would have never stopped working at an office.

    I’ve been around the block a few times, in a few different work environments, and I’ve never seen anything remotely close to woman to man harassment. Hell, Guys are dogs and would eat that shit up.

  52. 52.

    The Other Chuck

    November 8, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    @The Dangerman:

    It happens. But even if it happened half the time (not even remotely close), would that be an iota of an excuse for Cain?

    “These accusations are completely false but hey, women do it too!”

    Uh huh.

  53. 53.

    scav

    November 8, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    Hell, I haven’t even started drinking but I just had a vision of HC’s grinning head slowly floating past in a star-filled YouTube sky to the strains of “With that mug in the sky like a big pizza pie that’s Amore”

    And all who heard should see them there,
    And all should cry, Beware! Beware!
    His flashing eyes, his floating hair!

  54. 54.

    gwangung

    November 8, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    @The Dangerman:

    I’ve been around the block a few times, in a few different work environments, and I’ve never seen anything remotely close to woman to man harassment. Hell, Guys are dogs and would eat that shit up.

    Well, they THINK they’d eat that up.

    Pretty sure they’d change their tune if it really happened. Sorta like how Republicans change their tune about, say, health care, when it happens to them.

  55. 55.

    harlana

    November 8, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    In deference to the Charlie Pierce piece, would Cain be the proverbial Senatorial Horse, now?

  56. 56.

    nastybrutishntall

    November 8, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    That extra-fatal lady shimmer claims another victim. Herman could be pooping out blood and he would still harass them.

  57. 57.

    R-Jud

    November 8, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    @The Dangerman: I’ve seen it once, where a homophobic woman was constantly asking a gay colleague really disgusting questions about the sex acts he performed with his partner. About ten of us who saw her doing it complained, though, and got her moved elsewhere.

  58. 58.

    JimPortlandOR

    November 8, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    @harlana:

    His day job is as a motivational speaker.

    Guess that won’t work anymore, but the Koch’s need another full time kocksucker.

  59. 59.

    Chuck Butcher

    November 8, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    @Chuck Butcher:
    Cripes I blogwhore here and get more hits in 15min than an entire day. Tnx.

    From previous I recognize most of the locations.

  60. 60.

    RossinDetroit

    November 8, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    I’ve been around the block a few times, in a few different work environments, and I’ve never seen anything remotely close to woman to man harassment. Hell, Guys are dogs and would eat that shit up.

    I think it goes like this:
    “You’ve been chosen to fill a long vacant executive slot”

    I am a pig. I will go away now. Please stop throwing things.

  61. 61.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    November 8, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Finally saw some clips, man this guy really is a piece of work.

    “Look, I’m a business man, people get in my car and put their head in my crotch all day long. If one of them suddenly objects, how am I supposed to remember what her name was?”

  62. 62.

    AA+ Bonds

    November 8, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    IMAGINE THERE’S NO PIZZAAAAAAA

  63. 63.

    cincyanon

    November 8, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Herman Caine said he doesn’t need everyone’s vote, he just needs 51%. Is it coincidental that women make up 51% of our population or is he just that confident in his skills as pick-up artist?

  64. 64.

    AA+ Bonds

    November 8, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    @The Dangerman:

    Quit while you’re behind

  65. 65.

    Roger Moore

    November 8, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    @drew42:

    If women sexually harassing men in the workplace was common, I would have never stopped working at an office.

    Spoken like somebody who has never been sexually harassed. We had a serial harasser at my work when I started there, and I still habitually avoid the area where she worked more than a decade after she retired. It’s awful even when it’s just somebody making crude comments; I can’t imagine how bad it would be to be faced with actual unwanted sexual advances backed up with threats.

  66. 66.

    g

    November 8, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Oh, Lord. On The Hill comments, they’re claiming that Bialek lives in a building owned by/once lived in/near the address of David Axelrod and so……! Conspiracy!

  67. 67.

    SteveinSC

    November 8, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    “Sword of truth strong and pure, fly now that evil fail and good endure!” The NYTimes/Kraushaar truth just flew strong and pure. Just stick a fork in him. He’s done.

  68. 68.

    AA+ Bonds

    November 8, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    TIME Magazine looks to be in the bag for Mitt Romney, by the way.

    You heard it here first.

  69. 69.

    Mino

    November 8, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    I’m wondering if his final tally will be 45.

  70. 70.

    David in NY

    November 8, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Well, he’s no Bill Clinton, let me say that.

    My favorite joke from that era:

    “Recent poll asked a sample of 1500 women, ‘Would you sleep with Bill Clinton?’

    “Eighty-five percent of them answered, ‘Not again.'”

  71. 71.

    Linda Featheringill

    November 8, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    I saw one case of what I would call clear female-on-male sexual harassment. Completely inappropriate in my opinion.

    But I sought out the guy a little bit later and asked him how he felt about the goings-on. He said he didn’t mind and wasn’t uncomfortable with it.

  72. 72.

    John O

    November 8, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    I’m quite sure it’s not a lot of fun to be falsely accused of SH, either, though Cain sure smells guilty given his ego, politics, intellect and the nature of the accusations and credentials of the accusers.

    The man is a moron and IMO an almost perfect embodiment of today’s GOP. I still don’t think this will hurt him at all as #1 not-Mitt.

  73. 73.

    BGinCHI

    November 8, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    This will only come to an end when Herman Cain sexually harasses himself and is thereafter a victim.

  74. 74.

    Jenny

    November 8, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    Cain was asked whether Medicare should be a defined benefit plan or a voucher system.

    He had no idea what defined benefit plan meant.

    oy vey.

  75. 75.

    The Dangerman

    November 8, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    @AA+ Bonds:

    Quit while you’re behind

    Didn’t say it never happened; my point was (perhaps poorly made) that it is rare. I stand by the thought that most guys would just laugh it off because, generally speaking, it wouldn’t be threatening to a man.

  76. 76.

    g

    November 8, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    I didn’t see the presser so I can’t say one way or the other, but Daily Kos coverage has a good point – Cain says Bialik is completely making it up, while Cain’s lawyer attacks her memory of the incident. Both things can’t be true – if she’s making it up, it’s not about her memory. If she has something to remember, she’s not making it up.

  77. 77.

    Brachiator

    November 8, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    @David in NY:

    “Recent poll asked a sample of 1500 women, ‘Would you sleep with Bill Clinton?’

    This also reminds me of a joke that came out around the time of the movie, Indecent Proposal.

    Woman One. Would you have sex with Robert Redford for a million dollars?

    Woman Two. Well. Yeah, but it might take me a little time to raise the money.

    @John O:

    I still don’t think this will hurt him at all as #1 not-Mitt.

    Cain is done. It’s just a question of how he will exit the stage, and how conservative pundits will walk back their support.

  78. 78.

    scav

    November 8, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    (Why’s everybody always pickin’ on me)

  79. 79.

    cathyx

    November 8, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Most men I know would be flattered if he were sexually harassed and want to meet for drinks after work.

  80. 80.

    4tehlulz

    November 8, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    This is good news for Joe Paterno.

  81. 81.

    rpl

    November 8, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    @Martin: It has already been asked (on TPM) – What would Rick Perry call the Cain image on Rushmore?

  82. 82.

    David in NY

    November 8, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Can they just vote now? Please? Do we need another two months of this?

  83. 83.

    xian

    November 8, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    there is already a @DemocratMachine twitter account

  84. 84.

    John O

    November 8, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    @Brachiator:

    We’ll see for sure, but I try not to overestimate the conservative primary activist. All they’re hearing and reading all day is defense of HC, and most of them will swallow it, if I may.

  85. 85.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    November 8, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    @BGinCHI:

    This will only come to an end when Herman Cain sexually harasses himself

    The best part about that is that he’d forget his own name too.

    That may be what the referring to himself in the third person is all about, come to think of it. He’s distancing from himself. Smart move, probably.

  86. 86.

    Steve

    November 8, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    A lot of guys seem to think they would actually enjoy woman-on-man rape. “Gee, a woman forcing herself upon me, that actually sounds pretty cool.” In practice, eh, I’m thinking not so much.

  87. 87.

    PeakVT

    November 8, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    @David in NY: That’s two months until the first vote. There will be several more months of torture after that, too. Also.

  88. 88.

    handsmile

    November 8, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    @Jenny: (#73)

    “Defined benefit plan’ rhymes with “Ubeki-beki-beki-stan.” Herman didn’t know that one either.

    “Gotcha” is something that Herman likes to say to passengers in his car, not the kind of question he prefers to answer.

  89. 89.

    cokane

    November 8, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    It’s all over now for this vanity candidate except for the crying from wingnut voters. Another accuser will speak publicly which will just about seal the deal in the public’s eyes on this issue. I wonder which far-right candidate will take their turn as the new not-Romney front runner.

  90. 90.

    WaterGirl

    November 8, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    @g:

    Both things can’t be true – if she’s making it up, it’s not about her memory. If she has something to remember, she’s not making it up.

    Reminds me of when I was an advocate for women who had been raped. it was not uncommon, when the case went to court, for the defense to argue that it never happened, but if it did happen, it was consensual. I never understood that, either.

  91. 91.

    RossinDetroit

    November 8, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    @Steve:

    A lot of guys seem to think they would actually enjoy woman-on-man rape. “Gee, a woman forcing herself upon me, that actually sounds pretty cool.” In practice, eh, I’m thinking not so much

    Especially if “you want a job, don’t you?” is part of the pitch. The power relationship is much more significant than the physical appeal, in the workplace.

  92. 92.

    WereBear (itouch)

    November 8, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    If Herman Cain expects that kind of behavior to get a job…

    It puts a whole new light on cigarette smoking man…

  93. 93.

    ThatLeftTurnInABQ

    November 8, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    @David in NY:

    Can they just vote now? Please? Do we need another two months of this?

    Nope, sorry. This will not end until every Republican of consequence (and several who aren’t) has had their turn being the anybody-but-Mittens flavor of the week (one can only imagine how humiliating this is for Mittens, not that he doesn’t have it coming). Think of it as being like one of those kiddy T-ball leagues where every kid gets a turn at bat.

  94. 94.

    Ben Cisco

    November 8, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    The correct number, of course, would have to be 42.

  95. 95.

    RossinDetroit

    November 8, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    I sorta feel bad for his wife. It’s one thing to be married to a philanderer and another thing when everyone else knows it.

  96. 96.

    Turgidson

    November 8, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    So this sideshow isn’t over yet. Bummer. I’m getting kinda tired of MSNBC (O’Donnell in particular) spending 90% of their time in the evening recounting the day’s events in Cain’s slow-motion spontaneous combustion.

    I mean, the guy isn’t really running for president. He may be as surprised to be running this strong as anyone (though he may be arrogant enough to not be surprised). He isn’t going to be president. Deep down I think he knows it. So he’s basically a conservative male grifter who is doing this for the vanity and the potential for pecuniary gain. I am shocked, shocked I tell you, that he is also (allegedly) a misogynist creep with a history of deviant treatment of women. Hell, he’s not even the only one in the race (Newt…though his shitty treatment of women is different in nature).

    No, wait. I’m not shocked. And I also don’t give a shit about Herman Cain. He doesn’t even amuse me the way some of the shining wingnut stars do at their best. He’s just an unfunny clown who doesn’t realize China has nukes. Why the fuck do we care about him.

  97. 97.

    Ben Cisco

    November 8, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    @Mino: The correct answer, of course, would be 42.

  98. 98.

    xian

    November 8, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    and conservatives will never walk back their support. they will just pull out the playbook that would have followed Palin’s inevitable implosion (the liberal media, politics of personal destruction, this is why we can’t have nice things, etc.)

  99. 99.

    Karen in GA

    November 8, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    @nastybrutishntall: Well, to be fair, there is no maximum strength.

    Because everybody needs toucan stubs. (Ricky?)

  100. 100.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 8, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    @The Dangerman: I was sexually harassed once. Seriously, it sucks. I walked in to an office to do some things for a soldier back when I was in Army, and a whole office full of civilian women started in with “Oooh! What I could do with him….” comments. It was very uncomfortable.

  101. 101.

    Brachiator

    November 8, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    @John O:

    We’ll see for sure, but I try not to overestimate the conservative primary activist. All they’re hearing and reading all day is defense of HC, and most of them will swallow it, if I may.

    Some things transcend politics and the ability of campaign staff and pundits to fix things or make them go away.

  102. 102.

    cathyx

    November 8, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    @RossinDetroit: You shouldn’t. Remember she stayed with him through the sexual harassment settlements. She is as power hungry as he is.

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    Martin

    November 8, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    @cathyx: Not so much. The guys overlook that the harassment typically comes from a position of power. Guys aren’t used to assuming that component. If your female boss was presumably using your job as leverage for drinks/sex/whatever, you’d not take it so easily. There’s a macro component to that position of power, that presumably they can help blacklist you for refusing to go along.

    The problem with applying the male stereotype to being a sexual harassment target is that it only works if you throw away all of the other stereotypes of men being in positions of power, women not being in positions of power, men not requiring women to secure a job, and so on. You just can’t selectively toss the stereotypes away in that way and still have it work.

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    John O

    November 8, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    I hope the majority here is right, the man is a complete drop case.

    The Republican party is just so…out there nothing would surprise me anymore.

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    And Another Thing...

    November 8, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    @R-Jud: We fired a woman for sexually harassing women who worked for her. She was incredulous, cause only men can do it…. I did the investigation and it was bizarre, the way she behaved & talked about it was the epitome of stereotypical male behaviour.

  106. 106.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 8, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    @cathyx: If it was flattering and the guy wanted to meet for drinks, it probably wasn’t harassment. The point of something being harassment is that it is unwelcome.

  107. 107.

    The Other Chuck

    November 8, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    @Martin:

    Shorter version: It’s not so enjoyable when your job is on the line.

    Is that about right?

  108. 108.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    November 8, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    @xian: Moralizing hypocrite-gas giant Bill Bennett has already sort of thrown him under the craps table. More to come, I’m sure. This is too creepy even for them. Some will pull support and yet still blame the media, of course, but they will pull it and he’ll have to stop the campaign.

  109. 109.

    Martin

    November 8, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    @And Another Thing…:

    I did the investigation and it was bizarre, the way she behaved & talked about it was the epitome of stereotypical male dominant behaviour.

    Does that help?

  110. 110.

    cathyx

    November 8, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    @Martin: I agree with that. I was more thinking of a coworker who doesn’t have power over him.

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    David in NY

    November 8, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    @PeakVT:

    That’s two months until the first vote. There will be several more months of torture after that, too. Also.

    I’m assuming some fast fall-out in the first month or so – resulting in the demise of everybody but Mitt and a couple of others. I will be more than pleased if after that there results a prolonged period of trench warfare going right up to the convention. But a few votes will simplify this stuff a lot (by ending Cain’s candidacy, I bet, but who can be sure?).

  112. 112.

    ThatLeftTurnInABQ

    November 8, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    Moralizing hypocrite-gas giant Bill Bennett has already sort of thrown him under the craps table.

    I see what you did there.

    Bill Bennett knows that you have to known when to hold ’em, know when to fold ’em, know when to walk away, and know when to run…

  113. 113.

    David in NY

    November 8, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    it was not uncommon, when the case went to court, for the defense to argue that it never happened, but if it did happen, it was consensual. I never understood that, either.

    I’ve known people who didn’t get jobs in a criminal law office for suggesting that kind of thing as a defense strategy during their interview.

  114. 114.

    WereBear (itouch)

    November 8, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Some guys think it would be great to be “sexually harassed” but they never imagine a situation where the boss, a female twice their age and not attractive to them, comes out and tells them they want to see them wearing a thong fo work or they’re fired.

  115. 115.

    Jenny

    November 8, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    NYT: No Mo Jo Pa

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    Omnes Omnibus

    November 8, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    @cathyx: It can still create a hostile work environment. Don’t assume all or even most men are pigs.

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    srv

    November 8, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    Bill Dailey, under the bus.

    A senior White House official who attended Monday’s staff meeting where Mr. Daley made the announcement said that his new role has not yet been fully defined.

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    Martin

    November 8, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    @The Other Chuck:

    It’s not so enjoyable when your job is on the line.

    But that’s pretty much part-and-parcel of harassement. Either the person has power over your job, or you feel you need to leave the job to get away from the harassment. Either way, it’s power being exerted over you, even if the person is in a lower or peer position to you.

  119. 119.

    JGabriel

    November 8, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Herman Cain @ Press Conference:

    I’m not an expert on how the brain works.

    Yes, well, I think that’s something we can all agree on.

    .

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    Uncle Clarence Thomas

    November 8, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    .
    .
    Ah feel yer pain, Mr. Cain!
    .
    .

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    Moonbatting Average

    November 8, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    @xian: So awesome. Yet another example of the snark becoming self aware

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    Jay in Oregon

    November 8, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    /facepalm

    Cain: “Withdrawing Would Be Premature”

    https://twitter.com/#!/BorowitzReport/status/134031886698811393

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    Jenny

    November 8, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    This is too creepy even for them.

    Let’s be honest. It’s was about the blonde white women.

    That fat slob Bennett loves Clarance Thomas and he’s just as bad. The difference was Clarance was harassing black women.

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    sukabi

    November 8, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    @xian: their tweets are pretty funny….

    DemocratMachine
    @DemocratMachine DemocratMachine
    We will soon have a press conference with all the women Herman Cain sexually harassed. We will hold it at Mile High Stadium. #cainwreck

  125. 125.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 8, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    OT: See ya, Silvio.

  126. 126.

    sukabi

    November 8, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    @Jay in Oregon: well that’s pretty hard to swallow.

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    Villago Delenda Est

    November 8, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    @Martin:

    Yup.

    It’s about the power differential. It’s a means of establishing dominance. A lot of bullshit in the workplace is people in supervisory positions who secretly believe that they don’t belong there, and use dominance games to build up their own egos.

  128. 128.

    MikeJ

    November 8, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    @Jenny: Call me, Harold!

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    karen marie

    November 8, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    @cathyx: Not necessarily. Who knows how much she knew about any of it. Her complete absence from the campaign would also contraindicate your assumption.

  130. 130.

    Villago Delenda Est

    November 8, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    @Jenny:

    I am afraid it boils down to this.

    Cain crossed a frontier that black men simply cannot cross in the eyes of much of the Rethug base (and leadership, for that matter).

  131. 131.

    David in NY

    November 8, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    @Martin:

    Either the person has power over your job, or you feel you need to leave the job to get away from the harassment. Either way, it’s power being exerted over you, even if the person is in a lower or peer position to you.

    I think that’s a good summary.

    And people don’t realize the degree of non-touching harassment that goes on. My wife’s office represented a young woman who left her job in a financial firm (about the time of Herman’s little adventures). She worked maybe on a trading desk or in some other such testosterone-laden area. The complaint alleged that the guys working with her did stuff like, when she got up from her chair to do something, they’d run over to it and sniff the seat. The settlement amount made the ones in Herman’s case look like peanuts.

  132. 132.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    November 8, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    I am going to predict that the final surprise in this primary is when it comes out Mitt Rommeny was sexually by a female coworker when he was CEO of Bain Capital. That will just complete the theater of the absurd the GOP primary has become.

  133. 133.

    scav

    November 8, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    There’s a mole. Right at the top of the Circus.

    These allegations of a democratic machine that apparently is making use of Repub media etc. could lead to a very interesting rest of the (Three-ring) season. They’re already nearly at each other’s throats for the purer than though reasons. “Are you now or have you ever been a card-carrying?” questions soon followed by lists of 205 known . . . being waved about.

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    The Dangerman

    November 8, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    It was very uncomfortable.

    Uncomfortable I can understand, but does that rise to harassment? I don’t know.

    Since I’m not married, I’ve been hit on more than once by someone of the wrong sex (from my perspective anyway); it was uncomfortable, but, I never felt threatened. Indeed, looking back, I took these advances as compliments, though uncomfortable at the time, sure.

  135. 135.

    trollhattan

    November 8, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    @Jenny:

    Good. It’s been infuriating, if not surprising, listening to the many, many Paterno apologists the last day.

  136. 136.

    Roger Moore

    November 8, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    @Martin:

    The guys overlook that the harassment typically comes from a position of power.

    And that the harasser isn’t necessarily somebody desirable. I think that most men when they’re thinking about it are imagining being targeted by women they’re interested in. It’s very different when it’s somebody who you have absolutely no interest in and who refuses to accept that you don’t find their attention flattering. Being chased for a change may be fun when you want to be caught, but not when you’re just trying to escape and can’t.

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    JGabriel

    November 8, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    @sukabi:

    well that’s pretty hard to swallow.

    That’s what she said!

    .

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    David in NY

    November 8, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    @karen marie: It would be a real shame if Mrs. Cain is just learning about this stuff. I’m inclined to think women know, but I actually have no evidence one way or the other. Or, on second thought, I do, having known women who really got surprised.

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    Chris

    November 8, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    @The Other Chuck:

    Shorter version: It’s not so enjoyable when your job is on the line.

    I’d just say “it’s not so enjoyable in real life as opposed to in fantasies.”

    I mean hell, if I got to pick the woman that sexually harassed me, if she didn’t ask me to do anything I didn’t already want and if there were no repercussions outside of the bedroom (e.g. the career thing), I suppose I would enjoy it. And heck, I imagine if a lot of women would too. It’s just that real life isn’t usually as convenient.

  140. 140.

    JGabriel

    November 8, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Cain crossed a frontier that black men simply cannot cross in the eyes of much of the Rethug base (and leadership, for that matter).

    The Blonde Frontier?

    .

  141. 141.

    karen marie

    November 8, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    @srv: Why “under the bus”? Apparently he is not well liked and not effective.

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    gogol's wife

    November 8, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    @The Dangerman:

    No, you’re wrong. You should see the film “Female” from 1933, in which the female boss harasses her male employees. Even back then it was clear that men do not enjoy that kind of thing. Still true.

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    WaterGirl

    November 8, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    @David in NY: Interesting! I saw that happen more than once in the few cases I was involved in. All I could do is wonder,,, just how stupid did they think everyone was?

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    And Another Thing...

    November 8, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    @Martin: I take your point, but I said “stereotypical male “for a reason. The incident was several years ago, and our outside counsel said there was no case law supporting the notion that same sex harassment was a violation of the law. There were so few women in management, much less in powerful positions, that females doing the harassing were extremely rare.

  145. 145.

    The Other Chuck

    November 8, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Nothing creates the feeling of reasonable doubt quite like cognitive dissonance.

  146. 146.

    WaterGirl

    November 8, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    @Jay in Oregon: That’s Andy Borowitz. That was humor.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    November 8, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    @The Dangerman: 1) What the fuck do you think harassment is? 2) I was using understatement. I was cringeingly embarrassed and mortified to be standing in a room with about 20 women basically shouting sexual innuendo at me. I was not in a position to leave because my soldier needed to have that paperwork done or he would lose an apartment. So I had to stand there. Don’t assume harassment must constitute “Suck this or you lose your job.”

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    Villago Delenda Est

    November 8, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    @Chris:

    That’s pretty much the thing.

    The fantasy of say, Halle Berry having her way with you as your boss is one thing.

    Reality is something totally different. Like Halle Berry is going to give us the slightest glance.

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    trollhattan

    November 8, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    Dear lord, TBogg found some delicious winger infighting on l’affaire Cain.

    http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2011/11/08/first-win-then-do-the-right-thing/

  150. 150.

    Djur

    November 8, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    @cathyx: It’s not sexual harassment if someone comes on to you and (a) you welcome it and/or (b) you could tell them to stop and (b.i) they would stop and (b.ii) it would not put you at any risk.

    Here’s a hypothetical. I’m male. I’m at work, in the kitchen. I drop something on the floor and bend over to pick it up. Someone behind me says something along the lines of “awww yeah, I’d like a piece of that.” (I said it was a hypothetical, didn’t I?)

    Now, I turn around. I see it’s…

    … the cute girl that works down the hall who I’ve always had an eye on. Knowing myself, I’d blush and babble a little, but it wouldn’t be sexual harassment.

    … the CEO, who is a man twice my age. That’s sexual harassment, because (a) it’s unwelcome and (b) I can’t ask him not to do that without some reasonable fear of losing my job, not getting a raise, etc.

    … my direct supervisor, who is an attractive older woman. Now, that might be welcome, but it’s still sexual harassment, because the fears in (b) above are still present.

    In all of those cases, it’s still inappropriate workplace behavior. Workplaces tend to have broader policies than just covering actionable sexual harassment, because in a lot of cases harassment is (legitimately) in the eye of the beholder.

    Finally: I’ve known at least one man who’s been sexually harassed by an attractive female coworker. He was married, she wouldn’t take no for an answer, and it was genuinely a problem. There are a lot of men and women who take pleasure in intentionally violating another person’s boundaries.

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    David in NY

    November 8, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    how stupid did they think everyone was?

    Presenting inconsistent defenses is thought to be bad form, not to say suicidal form, in the more professional reaches of the defense bar. There are, however, a lot of lawyers out there with terrible judgment. (And in rape cases with clients unwilling to plead; it is still not good, however, just to imagine that more defenses are better.)

  152. 152.

    Villago Delenda Est

    November 8, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    Oooh….banner ad on the page…”Get the truth about Herman Cain”!

    As seen through the eyes of Daffy Duck, perhaps…

  153. 153.

    Martin

    November 8, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    @The Dangerman:

    Uncomfortable I can understand, but does that rise to harassment? I don’t know.

    In California it does. If its unwanted, you’re over the line. ‘Hostile workplace’ is the term more commonly used here. Can apply to any interaction. Male/female, straight/gay, black/white. It doesn’t even need to be directed. If watching NSFW content on your iPhone at work makes others uncomfortable, even if not directed at the others in the office, you’re over the line.

    Other states have different standards. CA actually expanded the rules far enough that it makes them simpler rather than more complicated by not having categories for what is disallowed. Everything considered hostile to the workplace is disallowed. Full stop.

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    Thoughtful Black Co-Citizen

    November 8, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    @pragmatism: It worked for C. Thomas.

  155. 155.

    Djur

    November 8, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    @Chris: Yeah, it’s not like it’s unheard of for women to be attracted to their bosses. It’s still potential sexual harassment for a boss to make a pass at a subordinate, period.

  156. 156.

    The Other Chuck

    November 8, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Harrassment is when either are true of a) There is a pattern of behavior in violation of the other party’s communicated desire that it stop, or b) An express or implied quid pro quo.

    The “hostile workplace environment” is a charge against _management_, in that by allowing it to continue, they are establishing a pattern of behavior. A single incident does not a “hostile environment” claim make, but management cracks down on them anyway because they can’t be seen as letting it become a pattern.

  157. 157.

    trollhattan

    November 8, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    @Djur:

    Right, and smart organizations go further and make even consensual relationships between supervisors and subordinates against their codes of conduct.

  158. 158.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    November 8, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    @Jenny: Probably a lot of truth in that. The Thomas hearings were also a long time ago, I doubt even he’d get away so easy these days, but I guess we’ll never know. Also once they defended him all the way and put him on the bench, they have to double down. But yes, the whiteness and blondeness isn’t helping Herm, nope. Nor the Republicanness.

  159. 159.

    Sly

    November 8, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    @David in NY:

    Can they just vote now? Please? Do we need another two months of this?

    File my answer under “Holy fuck, more please!” The abject pleasure of walking up to my conservative friends and in-laws and asking, “Are you seriously going to vote for any of these jackasses?” has been like every day being my birthday.

    We’re not even midway through this clown car joyride, and it’s only gotten better and better so far. Bachmann flaming out. Gingrich demonstrating twenty four hours a day what an egomaniacal moron he really is (“who needs to raise money and actually campaign? I’ll just ‘wow’ everyone with my undeniable brilliance at these very serious debates!”). The blundering, blubbering Texas shitstain known as Goodhair Perry put on universal display. Everyone talking about how much they don’t like Mitt Romney. And now Herman “Nine… nine… nine dollar footlongs!” Cain.

    Who is gonna be kicked out of the circus tent next? NOBODY KNOWS! Place your bets!

  160. 160.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    November 8, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    The Republicans are acting like survivors of a ship sinking. One guy (The Mittster) is on a big chunk of debris, floating somewhat safely above the water. The rest of the candidates are in the water with the wingnuts first climbing on one and then jumping off of them when they inevitably sink. The wingnuts are desperately casting about for a safe place to go and ignoring the one guy who is floating on the lone piece of debris.

    They would rather drown then climb up on that piece of debris with The Mittster.

    EricKKK, Son of EricKKK, is lamenting the inevitability of a Mittster primary win and the destruction of his party. Others at RedState are becoming more accepting of the inevitability of a Mitt run. Parry supporters there are pissed that he isn’t being taken seriously.

    And the general consensus there is that Cain is finished. I have to hand it to Cain, he has fucked up the right in ways that the Democrats could only dream about.

    Thanks Hermie!

  161. 161.

    Villago Delenda Est

    November 8, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    @trollhattan:

    That’s true in the military. If the individuals are in the same chain of command, it’s just not done. In some branches, like the Marines, officer/enlisted is just off the reservation entirely. The Army is a bit more relaxed about that, so long as the individuals are not in the same chain of command, but there’s always a problem with that sort of thing.

  162. 162.

    gelfling545

    November 8, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    @The Dangerman: And when you indicated you were not interested did the “hitting on” stop? Imagine it day after day for months.

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    techno

    November 8, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    I have a friend who is a horn-dog like Cain. He is a trust-fund child so has a lot of spare time. He is also incredibly handsome. When he is not having sex, he is conspiring to have sex. Or as he put it once, “There are only two things in life—sex and foreplay.”

    Based on this sample size of one, I am guessing that if Cain has already had five women come forth to accuse him, there are a BUNCH more where they come from. Guys like Cain make sexual advances on women several times a DAY. They don’t quit until they are reasonably certain they don’t have to go to bed by themselves.

  164. 164.

    dlnelson

    November 8, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    Can American voters be this dumb. He is a creep, just look at him, Bill Clinton and his group (James Carville) were a bit creepy as well. All of these old senators and reps, are way too old to properly represent the new generation. This country has changed. I live in California, if the agricultural part of this state leaves, we are toast. Herman C. is part of the problem of the old folks, they live in the old days, someone of power and money, but it turns out, that not even the republican women who are blond and blue eyed appreciated his advances. They are willing to forgive, the drumbeat to steal from the government (taxpayers) to private sector continues. Public schools, etc. They are trying to change the electoral vote. It is a big problem. I am worried.

  165. 165.

    karen marie

    November 8, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    @David in NY: She may have sort of known but it wouldn’t be surprising that she simply didn’t want to know and accepted whatever her husband told her. They’ve been married for 43 years.

    Though she has worked as a teacher and a librarian, Cain says his wife — who sings in the choir at Antioch Baptist Church North in Atlanta — has been a homemaker for most of their marriage. “Throughout our life together, she has been primarily the person who has taken care of the home because I moved around a lot,” he said.

    She stayed home while he went out and played Bidnez Man.

    Makes sense to me that he would be inappropriately hitting on women. He spent a lot of time away from his wife.

    Also too, how smart can the Koch brothers really be if they employ Mark Block in any capacity? As well, also, too, what do you suppose Block was doing for employment between 1991 and today? The last campaign he worked on, in 1997, resulted in his agreeing to a fine of $15,000 in 2001 and staying out of campaigns until 2004. He resurfaces in 2007 engaging in dubious election practices on behalf of Americans for Prosperity.

    I’m just kicking myself up and down, up and down. Why didn’t I get into that kind of lucrative career path?

  166. 166.

    Jay in Oregon

    November 8, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    @trollhattan:
    I loved this snippet from the quoted article over at TBogg:

    The point is, we must not let the left use our morality to hold us hostage.

    Because everyone knows that morals are only virtues as long as you don’t let them get in the way of what you really want.

  167. 167.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 8, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    @karen marie:

    Why didn’t I get into that kind of lucrative career path?

    Conscience. Ethics. Possessing a soul. Not being evil. Need I go on?

  168. 168.

    SiubhanDuinne

    November 8, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    Bill Bennett has already sort of thrown him under the craps table.

    Ooh, ooh, ooh! What you did there! I saw it!

  169. 169.

    Villago Delenda Est

    November 8, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    @karen marie:

    I’m just kicking myself up and down, up and down. Why didn’t I get into that kind of lucrative career path?

    You have scruples?

  170. 170.

    sukabi

    November 8, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    @Jay in Oregon: pretty sure her definition of ‘morality’ differs from ours.

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    Villago Delenda Est

    November 8, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    “Craps table” works a bit better as an image than “under the nickle slots”

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    karen marie

    November 8, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus, @Villago Delenda Est: : I’m starting to think that shit’s overrated.

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    Caz

    November 8, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    He’s not imploding, lol. You all WISH he was imploding. There are BS reports that he sexually harrassed women 20 years ago. Whenever a GOP’er gets to the front of the pack, his opponents (R’s and D’s alike) break out all the stops to try and bring him down.

    His approval ratings haven’t moved down, and most people realize the allegations are BS. That is, everyone except this echo chamber that is willing to believe anything they hear if it might hurt Cain.

    In reality, there is no implosion. On Buffoon-Juice, it’s a major implosion. This is the detachment from reality that you all live in in this echo chamber. Dream on, juicetards.

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    gbear

    November 8, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    @Jenny: Jezus, did you see the last lines of that NYT article? Wow.

    “There’s no individual in the entire 120- or 130-year history of the university that has had a greater impact on the institution than Joe Paterno,” Larry Foster, a former trustee and a president of the alumni association, told The New York Times in 2004. “He’s just reached into so many areas.”

  175. 175.

    xian

    November 8, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    @trollhattan: I like the unintentional tell in the reference to “our journalists.”

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    Lockewasright

    November 8, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    @Captain Haddock: Alas, they’re one in the same.

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    lol

    November 8, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    @scav:

    Someone should mashup the Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy trailer with the GOP field.

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    Ksmiami

    November 8, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Omg the entire GOP lineup is like a festering gangrenous sore and truly vomit inducing! Obama 2012: at least he doesn’t make people throw up

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    xian

    November 8, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    @Caz: keep on fuckin’ that chicken.

    my fondest wish would be an Obama vs. Cain election and the greatest part is you’ll never believe me. You think we are secretly afraid of Cain. Please Brer Caz, please don’t throw us in that briar patch.

  180. 180.

    Lockewasright

    November 8, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    @MikeJ: There is nothing upon which bacon cannot improve.

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    PhoenixRising

    November 8, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    @Chris:

    …if I got to pick the woman that sexually harassed me, if she didn’t ask me to do anything I didn’t already want and if there were no repercussions outside of the bedroom (e.g. the career thing)

    Dude, IF all that, it’s no longer the training video titled “What Not to Do at Work”, it’s now “How Your Mother & I Met”.

    Under the set of conditions you’re proposing, it’s not called harassment, it’s called dating someone you met at work. Which is in fact how I met my child’s mother…and is quite different from harassment.

  182. 182.

    Villago Delenda Est

    November 8, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    @xian:

    Really. What xian just said.

    Puhleeze give us Cain in the general, Rethugs. A defeat will turn into a sound thrashing of epic proportions if you nominate Cain.

    Furthermore, race will be off the table, and it will be the ideologies in play, and that is guaranteed lose for the GOP. The Allan Keyes thrashing by Obama in 2004 comes to mind…

  183. 183.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 8, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    @PhoenixRising: Most people on the receiving end of the attention can tell the difference between flirting – even if awkward and/or aggressive – and harassment – even if it is couched in compliments.

  184. 184.

    PhoenixRising

    November 8, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Right, my point was that in his hypothetical he’s not being harassed anymore, he’s now schtupping a hot chick he met through work.

    Not that whether it’s harassment is a function of any particular combo of gender(s), job roles or perceived attractiveness of either party–because that’s not what he’s suggesting.

  185. 185.

    scav

    November 8, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    @lol: I actually tried working one up and got stuck but what if we go with

    Finker, Failer, Folder, Fly.

    Finker: Newt
    Flailer / Failer / Failure: Mittens? Overabundance of choices here.
    Folder: Bachman although a case could be made for Mittens
    Fly: obviously Cain.

  186. 186.

    gogol's wife

    November 8, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    @Ksmiami:

    I like it!

  187. 187.

    Samara Morgan

    November 8, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    dont have time to read the whole thread, but…..
    White Woman Number Two.
    Also blonde.

  188. 188.

    Samara Morgan

    November 8, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    see a pattern?

  189. 189.

    Bill

    November 8, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    There’s an Eagle’s song in here somewhere.

    Take it easy, Herman.

  190. 190.

    Chris

    November 8, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    According to Gallup, his image is in fact declining. Interesting, I didn’t think I had it in them.

  191. 191.

    xian

    November 8, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: can you imagine the debates?

  192. 192.

    dmsilev

    November 8, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    @xian: The Obama/Keyes debates were televised (probably available on YouTube somewhere), and the amount of sheer bullshit per second emanating from Keyes was awe-inspiring. An Obama/Cain debate would, I think, be at about the same level.

  193. 193.

    Seonachan

    November 8, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    I’m not an expert on how the brain works.

    Fucking brain, how does it work?

  194. 194.

    sukabi

    November 8, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    @Chris: what’s that scale go to? if it’s a scale from 1 to 100 none of the R’s are faring very well Cain’s still leading the pack at a whopping 24 while the rest are in the mid to low teens or single digits….

  195. 195.

    Mark S.

    November 8, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    Herman’s claiming he doesn’t even know who she is? Dude, not a good move.

    So, anyone want to place bets on who lasts longer, Cain or Paterno?

  196. 196.

    DanielX

    November 8, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    @Ksmiami: Unfortunately, “we don’t suck as much as those other guys suck” is not exactly a campaign slogan full of WIN. I don’t think you’re wrong, it just….falls flat.

  197. 197.

    burnspbesq

    November 8, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    @The Dangerman:

    You haven’t lived until you’ve lived through a male senior manager who is sleeping with a female partner getting made partner over the heads of three arguably better qualified female senior managers, one of whom was out on maternity leave at the time. Meltdown? No, supernova is a more accurate description. All five of them were “pursuing other opportunities” within 45 days. Some voluntarily, some less so. When a partner with $5 million in portable business is forced out of a professional services firm, it’s safe to assume that there was more shit than there were fans for it to hit.

  198. 198.

    suzanne

    November 8, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    I’ve been sexually harassed at work three separate times. It fucking sucks.

    One of my ongoing issues of conscience is how to talk about it when the inevitable question arises in the interview.
    Interviewer: “How was your work experience at XYZ architects?”
    Me: “Um. Great. Except for I was sexually harassed by a superior beginning the first week I was there and it didn’t end until I left my internship. And I reported it, but the principal architect slept with last summer’s intern, so all the dudes there thought it was okay.”
    Interviewer: ***crickets***

  199. 199.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 8, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    @suzanne: Describe the internship as a “real learning experience” or a “fantastic opportunity to learn from the inside” or words to that effect. What you learned can be left unsaid.

  200. 200.

    300baud

    November 8, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    @Sly:

    The abject pleasure of walking up to my conservative friends and in-laws and asking, “Are you seriously going to vote for any of these jackasses?” has been like every day being my birthday.

    What a lovely post. I laughed all the way through. Clearly, I need to start asking this question myself.

  201. 201.

    mclaren

    November 9, 2011 at 1:03 am

    …Cain is having a press conference and is completely imploding.

    Sorry, John, you’ll have to narrow it down. Are you referring to his previous press conference, or the one last week, or…?

  202. 202.

    Paul in KY

    November 9, 2011 at 8:57 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Wasn’t that better than if they had made disparaging comments about you?

    I can see that you would have wished them to remain silent & not say anything. However, the comments, while crude, were basically complimentary to your ‘assets’.

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