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You are here: Home / Herman Cain Might Not Accept Medical Treatment from Muslims

Herman Cain Might Not Accept Medical Treatment from Muslims

by Imani Gandy (ABL)|  November 21, 20112:42 pm| 104 Comments

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What a disgusting, bigoted piece of crap.

 I’m not sure how much more bullshit could possibly spew from Herman Cain’s face-hole.  From claiming that he would make Muslims take a loyalty oath, to his not-at-all credible claims that he didn’t sexually assault and harass several women during his tenure at the National Restaurant Association, to his jokes about electrified fences along the Mexican border, to calling Nancy Pelosi “Princess Nancy” to calling vegetable pizza “sissy pizza” that real men would never eat, Herman Cain keeps demonstrating that he is, to be blunt, an asshole.

And now there’s this doozy: On Friday, Herman Cain made a campaign stop Cain The Holy Land Experience, a Christian-theme amusement park in central Florida where he intimated that he wouldn’t want a dirty Muslim furriner to treat him for his cancer. You know — because there are Muslim “sleeper doctors” out there trying to kill dumb fucks like Herman Cain:

Cain speaks for nearly a half an hour and despite a couple fleeting “999” mentions, keeps his speech to topics of faith and his recent battle with cancer. He begins with a story about how he knew he would survive when he discovered that his physician was named “Dr. Lord,” that the hospital attendant’s name was “Grace” and that the incision made on his chest during the surgery would be in the shape of a “J.”

“Come on, y’all. As in J-E-S-U-S! Yes! A doctor named Lord! A lady named Grace! And a J-cut for Jesus Almighty,” Cain boomed.

He did have a slight worry at one point during the chemotherapy process when he discovered that one of the surgeon’s name was “Dr. Abdallah.”

“I said to his physician assistant, I said, ‘That sounds foreign–not that I had anything against foreign doctors–but it sounded too foreign,” Cain tells the audience. “She said, ‘He’s from Lebanon.’ Oh, Lebanon! My mind immediately started thinking, wait a minute, maybe his religious persuasion is different than mine! She could see the look on my face and she said, ‘Don’t worry, Mr. Cain, he’s a Christian from Lebanon.'”

“Hallelujah!” Cain says. “Thank God!”

Herman Cain? Please go away. Just get yourself a Fox News talkshow and end this farce. Or, if you prefer, find an exceedingly hot fire and hurl yourself in it.

Thanks in advance.

[cross-posted at Angry Black Lady Chronicles]
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  1. 1.

    Calouste

    November 21, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    I’m still waiting for the first Republican candidate to suggest that Muslims should wear some special identification, like a badge with a green crescent or so.

  2. 2.

    Yutsano

    November 21, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    I thought Herb had already flamed out. Why should I care about his bigotry again? As far as I’m concerned he’s just another pointless hack.

  3. 3.

    Nutella

    November 21, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    I certainly hope that’s a typical politician’s story and is not actually true. A physician’s assistant reporting the medical staff’s religious affiliations to a patient would be unprofessional, to say the least.

  4. 4.

    eric

    November 21, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    Luckily for the GOP there are no swing states with large muslim populations and with a sizable number of electoral votes. phew.

  5. 5.

    Social Outcast

    November 21, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    With every line like this his book sales go up another 10%. I give Cain credit for knowing how to make money through yahooism.

  6. 6.

    phoebes-in-santa fe

    November 21, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    I think I heard Cain claim that he had STAGE FOUR colon cancer. Please correct me if I’m wrong. But if he does have Stage Four, he ain’t recovering from that.

    Does anyone know the truth – whatever it is – about Cain’s cancer diagnosis?

  7. 7.

    eric

    November 21, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    @phoebes-in-santa fe: I believe he said he had stage 9-9-9, but I could have misheard

  8. 8.

    Hungry Joe

    November 21, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    not that I had anything against foreign doctors — but it sounded too foreign

    Not that I have anything against stupid people — but this is just too stupid. Not that I have anything against ignorant people — but this is just too ignorant. Not that I have anything against bigoted people … Nope. Sorry. Pushed it too far.

  9. 9.

    RalfW

    November 21, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    From News 13 Central Florida:

    “As president, I am going to be the people’s president, not the politician’s president, the difference is when I ask congress to propose legislation, I am going to ask for it to be simple, understandable, if it’s simple, understandable and transparent, guess what? The people can get behind it I can maybe phonetically sound out the sentences and get a vague idea of what they mean.”

    Fixt.

  10. 10.

    Warren Terra

    November 21, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    not that I had anything against foreign doctors—but it sounded too foreign

    I’m not bigoted against other sorts of people, except the ones who are too different from me.

  11. 11.

    Paul

    November 21, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    I would think that Cain would want a muslim doctor, just in case he, or she, were actually a member of a terrroist sleeper cell. Any terrorist would obviously want to keep that embaressment healthy in order for him to continue to make this country the laughingstock of the world!

  12. 12.

    cathyx

    November 21, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    Is a name sounding too foreign like a man looking too black?

  13. 13.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 21, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    What a moron. The current GOP field makes Dubya seem like a paragon of virtue and sanity.

  14. 14.

    Amir Khalid

    November 21, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    What if he’d been assigned a Dr. Lucifer? Or a definitely-Muslim Dr. Mohamed? Would Mr. Cain have demanded another physician? Would the hospital have acquiesced, or would it have refused to reassign a perfectly competent doctor just to accommodate a patient’s bigotry?

  15. 15.

    Gin & Tonic

    November 21, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    Not “too foreign” but “wrong foreign”. I’m sure he’d have no problem if the doctor’s surname was Krzysztof or Papaefthimiou.

  16. 16.

    bob h

    November 21, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    I don’t even believe his story about stage 4 cancer. Everyone I have ever known with this diagnosis has been dead in very short order. We will probably learn from his doctors that there are no records of such a diagnosis.

  17. 17.

    eric

    November 21, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    I wonder if barack obama sounds too foreign to his ears as well

  18. 18.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 21, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    @bob h: Yes a solid (as opposed to leukemia or lymphoma) stage 4 cancer would be difficult to recover from.

  19. 19.

    bob h

    November 21, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    As I listened to the newly released Jack Abramoff on 60 Minutes, I thought to myself: I miss him, I miss Tom Delay; I miss all of the old crowd. The colorless, antiseptically grim Tea Party bunch makes you nostalgic for villains with some color and elan vital.

  20. 20.

    Mike G

    November 21, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    Being an asshole is a major plus in the Repuke primary.

    All political movements have their share of asshole personalities, but no-one exalts and celebrates their assholes, not for any practical result for purely for them being assholes, like the Repukes.

    Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly, Bush, Cheney, Cain. Repukes love their bullying assholes because it’s what they vicariously dream of being in their powerless, bitter, angry lives.

  21. 21.

    A.J.

    November 21, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Anyone know if other religions do this “Holy Land Experience” stupidity, or fund a museum for creationists, complete with a Starbucks vente Mocha-Frappuccino-I-See-The-Light? Do the Jews in Israel do anything like this for Abraham or Moses? Hindus and Vishnu? Is it only Christians who are this bat-feces crazy?

  22. 22.

    Caz

    November 21, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    And if I were to post a similarly scathing blog with such language about Obama, you’d pull out the race card and yell “Racist!” You are the biggest hypocrite I’ve ever read.

    As for the substance of your post: He had the same feeling that people get when they are on a flight and there are an inordinate number of Arabs on board. Is it fair to every Arab? No. Is it generally in line with a rule, notwithstanding that every rule has exceptions? Yes.

    So the guy was worried that an Arab doctor performing medical procedures on him might not share his religious views. Big deal. And it’s a fair assumption if you live in reality. I don’t blame a guy who wants someone with similar religious beliefs to be his doctor.

    Of course, in your ABL fantasy land, it’s probably heretical, racist, immoral, unlawful, and whatever else to profile at airports for security, notwithstanding that all the terrorists are from the same general area in the world, the same religion, and the same skin color. You’d be randomly searching grandpa from Iowa and little Jane from Taiwan rather than pulling Ahmed out of line for a profiled search. God forbid someone gets offended!

    If you don’t want to accept facts and reality, don’t take it out on those who have enough common sense to do so.

    It’s like saying the 98% of black voters voting for Obama in 2008 weren’t basing their vote on race. Maybe in fantasy land, he just happens to have a specific set of policies that appealed specifically to nearly every single black voter, but in reality we have to deal with facts, however unpleasant or inconvenient they may be.

    I can only imagine the outrage from you if 98% of white voters had voted for McCain!

    But it doesn’t matter anyway. Cain, Romney, Newt, Perry – any one of them can beat Obama in the next election, so you’re just wasting your time fighting to make them look bad. It’s Obama’s record that is going to lose the next election for him, not your lack of attacks against the “wingnuts.”

  23. 23.

    Studly Pantload, Boy King of Ubekibekibekistanstan

    November 21, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    @bob h – His doctors would be prohibited by law from discussing his case without his permission. So whether he had colon cancer, or just a bad case of hemorrhoids, can remain his secret.

  24. 24.

    Wag

    November 21, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    @Social Outcast:

    With every line like this his book sales go up another 10%

    10% of none is still none

  25. 25.

    lol

    November 21, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    More likely than not, Dr. Abdullah was actually a Muslim and the physician’s assistant gave the same story that he was a Lebanese Christian that she gives to all the other bigots who freak out about his name.

  26. 26.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 21, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    @A.J.: Is it all Christians or a certain evangelical variety of Christians that do this? I went to a Catholic school and teaching evolution was not a considered a big deal at all.

  27. 27.

    RSA

    November 21, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    @Caz:

    He had the same feeling that people get when they are on a flight and there are an inordinate number of Arabs on board. Is it fair to every Arab? No. Is it generally in line with a rule, notwithstanding that every rule has exceptions? Yes.

    What rule would that be, and how does it apply to surgeons?

  28. 28.

    SectarianSofa

    November 21, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    @A.J.:

    Is it only Christians who are this bat-feces crazy?

    Are you serious? I can assure you that there are batshit crazy people in every religion. Most religions are founded on bat-shit craziness, and the others are merely decorated with batshit.

  29. 29.

    Citizen_X

    November 21, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    maybe his religious persuasion is different than mine!

    Oh yes, Mr Cain. Definitely go into the hospital telling the staff you don’t want anyone working on your cancer who’s a terrorist Musselman, dirty Jew, inscrutable Buddhist, heathen Hindoo, hippy Pagan, or smartass apostate atheist. That’ll help your prognosis.

  30. 30.

    Brian R.

    November 21, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    From Reagan to Dubya to this group of clowns.

    At the rate we’re going, the 2024 Republican presidential debates are going to be between a guy who speaks only with armpit noises and a snake handler.

  31. 31.

    Amir Khalid

    November 21, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    @lol:
    Good point.

  32. 32.

    SectarianSofa

    November 21, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Catholics are not free from creationist dogma. See http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/09/will_the_real_catholic_please.php

  33. 33.

    TFinSF

    November 21, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    @Caz: A lot of stupid to digest here, but I’ll start with this one:

    all the terrorists are from the same general area in the world, the same religion, and the same skin color.

    I never knew OBL, KSM et al. were white Christians (later agnostic) from Buffalo, NY.

  34. 34.

    Chyron HR

    November 21, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    @Caz:

    Oh, the number of Arabs you’re forced to tolerate the existence of is truly inordinate.

    Hopefully once Anyone But Obama wins the next election, he’ll Finally implement some sort of Solution to deal with the Jews, Gypsies and Homosexuals Arabs, Illegals and Homosexuals.

  35. 35.

    Bex

    November 21, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    @Caz: Timothy McVeigh had a Middle Eastern passport?

  36. 36.

    Lysana

    November 21, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    @Caz:

    If you don’t want to accept facts and reality, don’t take it out on those who have enough common sense to do so.

    And the winner of Most Ironic Sentence I’m Likely To Read All Day goes to…

  37. 37.

    Chris

    November 21, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    Herman Cain remains the most repulsive sack of bigoted shit in a Republican primary dominated by repulsive bigots. Thank Christ for low ratings (though in the Republican primary, I can guess that has to do with something other than the content of his character).

  38. 38.

    g

    November 21, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    Personally I think the whole story is bullshit, a complete fantasy.

    I can’t imagine any medical professional sharing a colleague’s personal information with a patient. Not religion, not national origin – certainly no other personal details.

    Imagine it for a moment in your workplace, and you’ll know I’m right. A customer asks a receptionist, “Hey, what’s up with your boss, he’s got a funny name, what country is he from?” I seriously doubt the receptionist would tell the customer where her boss is from and what his religion is – and medicine is a profession where people are even more discret about personal information.

    Plus – what does it say about Herman Cain that he would ask a physician assistant a personal question about her senior colleague, behind the guy’s back? Or, if he’s making up the story (as I believe) that he would imagine this to show him in a good light?

    Yet another example of the creepy nature of Herman Cain.

  39. 39.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 21, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    @SectarianSofa: I am not here to defend Catholics or any other religious group, just saying that in my experience it seems to be the evangelical Christians who are the most upset by evolution.

  40. 40.

    Amir Khalid

    November 21, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    @Caz:

    So the guy was worried that an Arab doctor performing medical procedures on him might not share his religious views. Big deal.

    As Herman Cain himself tells it, it was a big deal to him. Only, I can’t imagine why. If your doctor is a competent and ethical person then the only way his religious affiliation — Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Wiccan, Pastafarian, whatever — is going to affect the doctor-patient relationship is by motivating him to do what’s right for you.

  41. 41.

    kindness

    November 21, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    Oh how those nasty Arabs are cursing now. If only they could have gotten their clutches into Hermie baby. I mean, don’t you know one of the Al Quida’s best operative generators is medical schools.

  42. 42.

    g

    November 21, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    More likely than not, Dr. Abdullah was actually a Muslim and the physician’s assistant gave the same story that he was a Lebanese Christian that she gives to all the other bigots who freak out about his name.

    I seriously doubt the physician’s assistant discusses her colleague’s religion with patients at all.

  43. 43.

    Strandedvandal

    November 21, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    So Caz is the douche formerly known as…..?

  44. 44.

    The Other Bob

    November 21, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    @Caz:

    “Of course, in your ABL fantasy land, it’s probably heretical, racist, immoral, unlawful, and whatever else to profile at airports for security, notwithstanding that all the terrorists are from the same general area in the world, the same religion, and the same skin color.”

    Maybe you are right, since the members of the most prolific and deadly terrorist organization in the United States is made up of white dudes, maybe we should search or question everyone one of them, every time they walk into a black church they might bomb or buy some rope they might use to lynch someone.

  45. 45.

    Liberty60

    November 21, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    @eric: I heard him say that his cancer “went to 11.”

  46. 46.

    Steve

    November 21, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    Surely Caz is not for real.

  47. 47.

    Chris

    November 21, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    I am not here to defend Catholics or any other religious group, just saying that in my experience it seems to be the evangelical Christians who are the most upset by evolution.

    In theory, Catholics have no problem with evolution, just like in theory, they’re supposed to be anti-war, anti-death-penalty, pro-environmentalist, pro-welfare-state, pro-union and pro-restraining-the-excesses-of-capitalism.

    In practice, the political side of the American RCC (don’t know how many other countries this is true of) is basically an arm of the Republican Party. They ensure that only Republican positions (abortion and gay marriage) are discussed, they ensure that these issues get a MASSIVE amount of attention (to the degree that you have bishops literally denying communion to pro-choice politicians), they find reasons to dismiss or ignore any liberal issue that agrees with the RCC’s teachings (like health care reform a couple years back), they jerk back into line any organization that too prominently supports these issues (“liberation theology” = ZOMG MARXISM! etc), and they completely ignore Catholics who preach right wing dogma that disagrees with the Church’s position.

    There’s theory, then there’s practice…

  48. 48.

    SiubhanDuinne

    November 21, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    @bob h:

    And mention of Jack Abramoff reminds me that it’s been a very long time (or so it seems to me) since we’ve had a front-page post from Dennis G.

    Come home, Dengre! We miss you!

  49. 49.

    SenyorDave

    November 21, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    Mad Magazine, of which I was a devotee in my youth, used to have a feature that was something like “Things we’d like to see”.

    Here’s something I would like to see. Mr Cain goes to a small-town hosiptal with some minor problem that is easily curable. Upon discovering that the only doctor on call is a Muslim, he refuses treatment and instructs his driver to go to the closest hospital, a half hour away. He gets worse and they have to pull off the road where Mr. Cain staggers out of his limo and expires in a gutter.

  50. 50.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 21, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    @Chris: Probably true. I am not a Catholic myself just went to a Catholic school run by Jesuits. Many of the nuns who taught us were quite liberal.

  51. 51.

    Egypt Steve

    November 21, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    I could be wrong but “Abdullah” sounds like a pretty strong candidate for a Muslim name to me. It just means “Slave of God” so I suppose a Christian could have it, but a much more common Christian name with the “Abd-” element would be Abdelmasih, “Slave of the Messiah.” They may have pulled a fast one on Cain. Hope so.

  52. 52.

    SectarianSofa

    November 21, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Sorry — didn’t mean to impute any motives to you. I’m just feeling especially grumpy about large institutions lately (Catholic Church, Penn St.)….
    You are correct, as far as I know as well — evangelicals seem to have to a more thorough and formal/official/institutional interest in being anti-science.

  53. 53.

    Satanicpanic

    November 21, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    I’ve had a number of surgeries myself, but never thought to ask my doctors’ religion. What difference would it make anyway?

  54. 54.

    Chris

    November 21, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    There’s plenty of liberals and moderates and other good people doing good things in the lower ranks, it’s just when you get higher that they seem to get scarcer and scarcer. Catholic churches running shelters, hospitals, soup kitchens, schools, and what-have-you – no shortage of that at all.

    But coordinated, macro and political efforts to change these things – e.g. by pushing for universal health care or pushing back against Republican efforts to target the poor or the working-class – not so much, certainly nothing like the amount of energy and outrage they pour into abortion and gay marriage.

  55. 55.

    scav

    November 21, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    Coming from a man named Cain, this importance he attaches to names is, umm, interesting?

  56. 56.

    Violet

    November 21, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    @bob h:

    I don’t even believe his story about stage 4 cancer. Everyone I have ever known with this diagnosis has been dead in very short order. We will probably learn from his doctors that there are no records of such a diagnosis.

    A friend of mine was diagnosed with Stage 4 color cancer and lived for seven years. He was told he had about three months. Obviously he beat the odds. He was on whatever drug Martha Stewart went to prison over and they treated it more like a chronic condition – he took the drug every day, I think.

    So it’s not common, but does happen. Also, he was active but didn’t look 100% well. The treatments took a toll on him. Can’t imagine him doing something as challenging as running for president.

  57. 57.

    SectarianSofa

    November 21, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    I don’t know about the rest of you, but I can’t even begin to decipher the finger-painting blob-posts of this ‘Caz’ person. I’m assuming those of you trying to are either heroically dedicated to truth and justice, or really stoned.

  58. 58.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 21, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    @SectarianSofa: Don’t worry about it, no offense taken.

  59. 59.

    MikeJ

    November 21, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    @Violet:

    We will probably learn from his doctors that there are no records of such a diagnosis.

    I hope not. It would be incredibly unethical for a doctor to discuss a patient with a third party, even if the patient were a liar.

  60. 60.

    Brachiator

    November 21, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    Herman Cain’s quest for the presidency is done. Kaput. Over. There is not much point in getting upset over anything he says. At this point, he is much like Sarah Palin, a political dude whose only value to the Koch brothers is in pandering to the dopiest dopes in the GOP base.

    @Caz:

    Of course, in your ABL fantasy land, it’s probably heretical, racist, immoral, unlawful, and whatever else to profile at airports for security, notwithstanding that all the terrorists are from the same general area in the world, the same religion, and the same skin color.

    Who are you? Really? Nobody could be this willfully stupid.

    There have been terrorist attacks in Africa, the Middle East, India, Indonesia, and elsewhere. Aside from being on planet Earth, this hardly counts as “the same general area of the world.”

    You must be using a Fox News globe.

  61. 61.

    Elisabeth

    November 21, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    @SectarianSofa:

    I can’t even begin to decipher the finger-painting blob-posts of this ‘Caz’ person.

    All caz talks about is pie in my world. Just makes me hungry.

  62. 62.

    GregB

    November 21, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    It is apparent that his stage four colon cancer might have been passed to his brain due to the frequent proximity of the two.

  63. 63.

    AA+ Bonds

    November 21, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    This is actually how these folks think, and it causes them no end of trouble in their lives – is my doctor a Muslim? Do I see a Hispanic back there in the kitchen at my favorite restaurant? and so on.

  64. 64.

    gocart mozart

    November 21, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:
    Ah, the Jesuits. . . the commie pinko liberal wing of the Catholic Church with their hippie educamation and stuff. you might as well have gotten your theology learnin’ from P.Z. Myers;)

  65. 65.

    gelfling545

    November 21, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Same here. And my high school science teacher (a nun) went through a big speech about not getting the bible mixed up with science – that they served different purposes.

  66. 66.

    RobNYNY1957

    November 21, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    An incision on his chest for colon surgery? That just doesn’t seem right.

  67. 67.

    harlana

    November 21, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    Can’t imagine him doing something as challenging as running for president.

    Thanks everybody for confirming for me that something about this just does not sound right. Cain looks pretty darned healthy to me. And how long since he was diagnosed and treated?

  68. 68.

    Joey Maloney

    November 21, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    There is a sign in front of one of the primate enclosures at the Jerusalem Zoo (a really fine place, btw) that discusses the relationships between various species and humans. Or rather, there used to be such a sign. After three years of persistent vandalism by ultra-Orthodox Jews, it was taken down.

    A popular kids’ food in Israel is dinosaur-shaped chicken nuggets, but the Haredim won’t buy them.

  69. 69.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 21, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    @gocart mozart: Even Bible Study was not compulsory if you were not Catholic. Instead we had something called Moral Science, where basically we discussed ethical dilemmas and such.

  70. 70.

    Ecks

    November 21, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    Technically the official position of the Catholic Church on science, as written in an encyclical by John Paul III is the dogma of separate magesteria. Religion is the magesteria of the unobservable spiritual world, and science is the magesteria of the observable physical world, and they are separate domains of understanding. The one does not have implications for the other.

    So officially they’re fine with global warming, that’s just physical stuff. It’s abortion and teh ghey where you get all this metaphysical judgment that they claim science has no room to comment on.

    Of course, it’s a big institution with a lot of people, and you talk to my Catholic Fox devotee brother in law, you’ll get a rather different skew on the world.

    The analysis I like the most observed that the fundamentalists of the various religions (Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, etc) generally had more in common with each other than they do with the rest of us. Oh no, teh Ghey! Heretics!!1

  71. 71.

    SectarianSofa

    November 21, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    @RobNYNY1957:

    I’m guessing it was a bit lower, but there couldn’t be any mention that hinted at the existence of naughty bits. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on his cancer. He can have his amazing odd-defying recovery. He’s got nothing recommending him as a candidate for office, regardless.

  72. 72.

    maya

    November 21, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    @Brian R.:

    At the rate we’re going, the 2024 Republican presidential debates are going to be between a guy who speaks only with armpit noises and a snake handler.

    Nope. It’ll be Jenna Bush debating the other one, Not Jenna

  73. 73.

    SectarianSofa

    November 21, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    @Elisabeth:

    Mmmm, pie.

  74. 74.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 21, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    @Joey Maloney: I think the ultra religious of most of the religions have more in common with one another, then they would like to admit. See for example how the orthodox/conservatives adherents of most religions treat women, for example.

    ETA: Ecks at #70 makes the same point!

    Also I have not heard any Hindu objection to evolution yet, but again I am no religious expert.

  75. 75.

    PurpleGirl

    November 21, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    As to the origination of terrorist groups, let’s not forget the Bader-Meinhof gang in Germany and the Red Brigade from Italy. (Besides all those domestic guys who want to kill doctors and government workers…)

  76. 76.

    Caz

    November 21, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    There are exceptions to every rule, people, but it doesn’t mean there isn’t a rule. Terrorists are, as a rule, fanatic islamic arabs. A white Christian from Buffalo would certainly fit the bill as an exception to that rule.

    I assume that when we, as Americans, talk about terrorists, we are referring to our war on terror, the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden, etc. We aren’t talking about the rebels in Sri Lanka, right?

    So from our standpoint as Americans, terrorists are generally fanatic, islamic, arab, and male. So what is wrong with recognizing and using that fact to our advantage? We should be profiling at airports, suspending visits/immigration from all arab nations, devoting resources to investigation of mosques, etc. Will if offend the law-abiding, non-America hating arabs in this country and abroad? I don’t really care. Take it up with the terrorists who caused the hightened scrutiny with their murders.

  77. 77.

    PurpleGirl

    November 21, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    @harlana: I’m not sure about all cancers, but I believe generally that if you survive 5 and then 10 years with no reoccurence you’re good to go. He had his cancer circa 1995, I think. I knew a man who had had prostate cancer and we celebrated his 10th clear year with extravagant food and booze.

  78. 78.

    PurpleGirl

    November 21, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    @PurpleGirl: When I worry about terrorists, I’m concerned about domestic guys who want to kill doctors and blow up government buildings… and the criminals who help to hide the terrorists.

  79. 79.

    Chris

    November 21, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    @Caz:

    So from our standpoint as Americans, terrorists are generally fanatic, islamic, arab, and male. So what is wrong with recognizing and using that fact to our advantage? We should be profiling at airports, suspending visits/immigration from all arab nations, devoting resources to investigation of mosques, etc. Will if offend the law-abiding, non-America hating arabs in this country and abroad? I don’t really care. Take it up with the terrorists who caused the hightened scrutiny with their murders.

    The attempted shooting at the White House, the Holocaust Museum shooting, the attempted attack on the Tides Foundation, the Hutaree militia, the attacks on abortion doctors, the Olympic Park bomber and oh yes, Oklahoma City, all came from white, right-wing extremists, and all the data suggests that there’s more than a few people like them still out there. Those things aren’t happening in Sri Lanka or Norway or Uzebeckibeckibeckistan either, they’re happening right here in the U.S. of A.

    But somehow I suspect you wouldn’t apply this same profiling standard to white right-wingers. What’s good for the Arab Muslim goose isn’t good for the white right-wing gander, because they, for some reason or another, are different. Hmm, I wonder what the difference could possibly be.

    ETA: minus the White House shooting, which was in fact done by a Hispanic right wing extremist, not a white one. But as whatsisface patiently explains to us, there are exceptions to the rule. So hell, let’s still stick to profiling *white* right-wing extremists.

  80. 80.

    Ecks

    November 21, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    @Caz:

    Wikipedia:

    Domestic terrorism in the United States between 1980 and 2000 consisted of 250 of the 335 incidents confirmed as or suspected to be terrorist acts by the FBI. These 250 attacks are considered domestic by the FBI because they were carried out by U.S. citizens

    If you want to know about actual REAL terrorism – y’know, the kind that happens in this “reality” thing you are so high on – then you are worried about the wrong people, because 75% of it is done by American citizens. Which means we need to spend less energy profiling the foreign brown guys, and more energy profiling Americans. That’s the way to catch the actual real bad guys here, amIright. I mean, it’s not PC, and Americans might get all butthurt by being treated as suspects, but we’re being clear-eyed and realistic here, right, fighting the threat of terrorism.

    I knew we could count on you.

  81. 81.

    Plantsmantx

    November 21, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    @Caz:

    It’s like saying the 98% of black voters voting for Obama in 2008 weren’t basing their vote on race.

    Yes, I did vote for Obama based on race- my race.

  82. 82.

    arguingwithsignposts

    November 21, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    @Caz:

    So from our standpoint as Americans, terrorists are generally fanatic, islamic, arab, and male.

    Well, two out of four ain’t bad for an idiot.

  83. 83.

    paychobroad

    November 21, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    @maya: As someone said (here, I think) where you you want your internets sent? Great one!

  84. 84.

    Chyron HR

    November 21, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    @Caz:

    Timothy McVeigh may be the Tea Party’s idol, but the rest of us (as Americans) think he was a terrorist. Sorry.

  85. 85.

    slippy

    November 21, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    As Herman Cain himself tells it, it was a big deal to him. Only, I can’t imagine why.

    Well, I can. He’s a loony bigot who harbors immense hatred for people he knows nothing about.

    If your doctor is a competent and ethical person then the only way his religious affiliation — Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Wiccan, Pastafarian, whatever — is going to affect the doctor-patient relationship is by motivating him to do what’s right for you.

    People like Cain would rather die than admit they are wrong.

    So let him.

  86. 86.

    Chris

    November 21, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    @slippy:

    People like Cain would rather die than admit they are wrong.

    If only.

    People like Cain never live up to their principles (if you can call them that) when their own interest is at stake. Herman Cain might refuse to be treated by a Muslim doctor if there were cameras around and he was absolutely sure there were a bunch of Christian doctors ready to take his place. Otherwise… I wouldn’t expect him to refuse treatment from a Muslim any more than I’d expect Ayn Rand to turn down welfare checks.

  87. 87.

    Ecks

    November 21, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    People like Cain would rather die than admit they are wrong.
     
    So let him.

    eh, medical ethics, what can you do. Gotta save the assholes even if it lets them go on propagating their assholery.

  88. 88.

    San

    November 21, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    @Amir Khalid:
    Yes, the hospital can accommodate this (and other types of) bigotry.

  89. 89.

    AxelFoley

    November 21, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    @Caz:

    Why hasn’t this fuckwad been banned yet?

  90. 90.

    Mario

    November 21, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    @Caz

    It’s like saying the 98% of black voters voting for Obama in 2008 weren’t basing their vote on race. Maybe in fantasy land, he just happens to have a specific set of policies that appealed specifically to nearly every single black voter

    Would that be the same “fantasy land” where John Kerry, a white man, also happened to “have a specific set of policies that appealed specifically to nearly every single black voter”?

    Obama got 95% of the black vote, as opposed to the approximately 90% of the black vote that Democrats normally get. How much of that was blacks who sometimes vote Republican changing their votes due to race, rather than to an honest evaluation of the candidates? How much of that was due to increased enthusiasm amongst Democratic-leaning blacks, resulting in increased turnout in that group? That’s only a confluence of race and ideology.

    And yes, the Democrats do have policies that appeal to black voters. Go actually talk to some black people and find out what they think about social services and tax policy and drug and gun policies and Planned Parenthood and you might actually find out why the large majority of black people’s interests do not align with those of white conservatives. If you continue to assume that they do not because black people are too stupid to figure out who’s on their side, or they only voted for Obama because he’s black, you’ll never convince them to vote for the GOP.

  91. 91.

    PatrickG

    November 21, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    @Social Outcast:

    With every line like this his bulk book sales by conservative groups go up another 10%.

    Fixd. :D

  92. 92.

    Ruckus

    November 21, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    @GregB:
    I think the medical term is metastasized. But you are correct that in herm’s case the trip has been shortened by cranial-recital insertion.

  93. 93.

    Ruckus

    November 21, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    @RobNYNY1957:
    Depends. How strongly was the cranial-recital insertion was performed?

  94. 94.

    rikyrah

    November 21, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    He is a truly vile, ignorant ass minstrel

  95. 95.

    PhoenixRising

    November 21, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    @PurpleGirl:

    I’m not sure about all cancers, but I believe generally that if you survive 5 and then 10 years with no reoccurence you’re good to go.

    Yeah, it depends on what kind of invasive lesion you got. 5 years used to be considered cured for all of them, but it turns out to be quite a bit more complex than that.

    If Herm had metastasized colon cancer more than 5 years ago, it’s not impossible that the lesions in his colon and all mets were removed, poisoned or burned. However, some of those treatments cause…um…cancer, in addition to other health problems. In case any of you were considering Raising Cain in the GOP primary, long term health effects might make him a questionable choice.

  96. 96.

    rikyrah

    November 21, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    It’s like saying the 98% of black voters voting for Obama in 2008 weren’t basing their vote on race.

    The blogger Prometheus6 responds to this accusation with the following:

    The Black Community didn’t vote for Barack Obama because HE is Black.

    The Black Community voted for Barack Obama because WE ARE BLACK.

    And, WE see voting for him as being in our best interests.

  97. 97.

    Chris

    November 21, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    @AxelFoley:

    Why hasn’t this fuckwad been banned yet?

    He’s a troll, and this is BJ. Nuff said. But at least he’s a hit-and-run troll, most of the time. Fourloko and Checkers aren’t that courteous.

    @Mario:

    Go actually talk to some black people and find out what they think about social services and tax policy and drug and gun policies and Planned Parenthood and you might actually find out why the large majority of black people’s interests do not align with those of white conservatives.

    Most white conservatives’ interests don’t align with Gooper policies either. And they know it, on some level, which is why every time someone like Paul Ryan comes up with an actual plan to privatize Social Security or Medicare or whatever, the public support that had been enthusiastically calling for these things kind of just melts away and leaves Ryan or whoever looking pretty stupid.

    A discrepancy between stated desires and actual desires that I don’t see among most black voters… so, if Caz or whoever wants to look for idiots among the voters, there’s a place he might start.

  98. 98.

    Admiral_Komack

    November 21, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    Herman Cain:

    He’s not ABEL to think clearly.

  99. 99.

    TampaDink

    November 22, 2011 at 2:33 am

    Cain’s story made me remember a situation shared with me by an RN back in the late 80’s. A bigot was dying in the ER & waiting for transport to a trauma center 30 miles away.
    The bigot said to my friend, “are you a faggot?” My friend responded calmly, “yes, I am….and this is the shot that will save your life, would you like me to administer it or not?”

  100. 100.

    Paul in KY

    November 22, 2011 at 8:10 am

    @RobNYNY1957: When you’re as big an ass as he is, the incision starts to make sense.

  101. 101.

    Paul in KY

    November 22, 2011 at 8:11 am

    @Ecks: Are you from the future?

    AFAIK, we have not had a John Paul III. I hope he wasn’t as big a jerk as John Paul II.

  102. 102.

    Winston Smith

    November 22, 2011 at 11:19 am

    I would like to see Dr. Mehmet Cengiz Oz comment on this on his popular TV show.

    Dr. Oz is Turkish and a Muslim, and really ought to invite Herman Cain on his show. >:-)

    BTW: Cengiz is the Turkish version of Ghengis. Is it a popular boys’ name in Turkey, as Ghengis Khan is considered a great hero. It is also the origin of Ceng Uygur’s (The Young Turks) given name.

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