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Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

I know this must be bad for Joe Biden, I just don’t know how.

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

“Everybody’s entitled to be an idiot.”

“What are Republicans afraid of?” Everything.

Let’s finish the job.

You don’t get rid of your umbrella while it’s still raining.

When someone says they “love freedom”, rest assured they don’t mean yours.

Is it negotiation when the other party actually wants to shoot the hostage?

Republicans are the party of chaos and catastrophe.

If senate republicans had any shame, they’d die of it.

Whatever happens next week, the fight doesn’t end.

Roe isn’t about choice, it’s about freedom.

Let there be snark.

Make the republican party small enough to drown in a bathtub.

Optimism opens the door to great things.

Jesus, Mary, & Joseph how is that election even close?

Too often we confuse noise with substance. too often we confuse setbacks with defeat.

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

This has so much WTF written all over it that it is hard to comprehend.

Fuck the extremist election deniers. What’s money for if not for keeping them out of office?

We’ve had enough carrots to last a lifetime. break out the sticks.

Fuck these fucking interesting times.

Whoever he was, that guy was nuts.

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by Sarah, Proud and Tall|  December 26, 20114:52 pm| 102 Comments

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Lisbon

A few days ago, in Lisbon, in the Terreiro do Paço.

Talk amongst yourselves.

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  1. 1.

    MikeJ

    December 26, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    I guess I haven’t kept up with news over xmas. didn’t hear about the guy that saved the airliner over Kansas City. Jabir Hazziez.

  2. 2.

    Brian S

    December 26, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Some days I think I’ve adjusted to winter, and then others I can’t get warm no matter how many space heaters I hang next to my face.

  3. 3.

    PeakVT

    December 26, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    The Lord Jesus Christ is the way to life and sealed. Mr. Riena.

    That translation doesn’t seem quite right.

    ETA: The Praça do Comércio looks nice in photos but it wasn’t all that nice to actually be in when I was there.

  4. 4.

    wobblybits

    December 26, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    @PeakVT: It reads: Jesus Christ is the way, truth and life. He reigns.

  5. 5.

    wobblybits

    December 26, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    @wobblybits: It won’t let me edit so I will say this here: Puppehs!

  6. 6.

    Benjamin Franklin

    December 26, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Robert Parry gives some of the reasons why we should be thankful to Manning.
    IAEA, Iraq and the push toward war with Iran is part of the reason he is in so much trouble.

    http://consortiumnews.com/2011/12/24/americas-debt-to-bradley-manning/

  7. 7.

    Sarah Proud and Tall

    December 26, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    @PeakVT:

    I rather think it is “Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. He reigns.”

    But I do like your version better.

    ETA: The Praça has recently been renovated, so it’s all nice and sparkly now. (Although I still got offered a baggie of dried parsley, so some things haven’t changed.)

  8. 8.

    Maude

    December 26, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    Has anyone been following the French failed breast implant story? Now they have found out that a Dutch firm was sold about 1,000 of these because the company changed it’s name. The company owner is being looked for by the law.

  9. 9.

    Raven

    December 26, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    Carolina and Mizzou in the Weedeater Bowl!

  10. 10.

    PeakVT

    December 26, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    @wobblybits: Lol. Looks like Google Translate needs a bit more work.

  11. 11.

    wobblybits

    December 26, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    @PeakVT: LOL, it reminds me of how inevitably one of my students will use a translator and how they are puzzled that I, the native speaker, can tell it was from a translator.

  12. 12.

    Phylllis

    December 26, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    98 days until Opening Day.

  13. 13.

    Benjamin Franklin

    December 26, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    The article is from 12/19…..I am perplexed as to why this is not being discussed more on the internet. Nothing about Kagan and Thomas, and their potential recusal. I find it odd, anyway.

    http://www.natlawreview.com/article/supreme-court-announces-dates-oral-argument-aca-challenge

    “The Supreme Court announced today the oral argument calendar for the Affordable Care Act (ACA) challenge. The entire week of March 26 has been scheduled for the 5 ½ hours of ACA oral arguments.

    On Monday, March 26, the Supreme Court will focus on whether the challenges to the individual mandate are barred by the federal Anti-Injunction Act. On Tuesday, March 27, oral arguments will center on the constitutionality of the insurance mandate in the ACA. Finally, on Wednesday, March 28, the oral arguments will address both whether the ACA can survive if the individual mandate is found unconstitutional as well as the constitutionality of the ACA Medicaid expansion.”

  14. 14.

    Raven

    December 26, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    @Phylllis: At least it’s an Olympics year to help get me through the boring ass baseball season!

  15. 15.

    BGinCHI

    December 26, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    @Raven: What sport are you entering? I’ll watch for you.

    Hint: start stretching now.

  16. 16.

    Phylllis

    December 26, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    @BGinCHI: That made me giggle.

  17. 17.

    Raven

    December 26, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    @BGinCHI: If this shoulder doesn’t get better my swim spot may be tenuous. Did you know that Jack Bauerle, the UGA Swim Coach, was the US Women’s Swim Team coach in Bejing?

  18. 18.

    PeakVT

    December 26, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    @Sarah Proud and Tall: There were a ton of buses in the Praça when I was there, so it just looked like a fancy bus station. That might have been an anomaly. Up above them looked nice, though.

  19. 19.

    Benjamin Franklin

    December 26, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    See trailer for The Big Fix documentary on BP Oil spill.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg_fpr6XBFM&feature=youtu.be

  20. 20.

    BGinCHI

    December 26, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    @Raven: I didn’t, but I bet he hates it when he gets confused with the guy from 24.

    How’s UGA basketball looking this year?

  21. 21.

    Raven

    December 26, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    @BGinCHI: They are OK, 7-5 right now, really young. I like Mark Fox, seems to be a level-headed dude. I used to play the hoop with Jack at Stegman back in the day. Had a wicked Philly fall away J.

  22. 22.

    BGinCHI

    December 26, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    @Raven: I can see you pulling your Mo Cheeks on the guys there.

    I played intramural bball at Stegman for a couple winters. If memory serves our grad school team got smoked every time. And that’s even with my mad Hoosier skills.

  23. 23.

    Raven

    December 26, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    @BGinCHI: I ran that program in 84-86. Four courts for the entire university. It sucked.

    eta I was also a high-school ref in those days and you haven’t lived until you work a boys and girls “b” team game at Nathanial Greene Academy in Silom, GA.

  24. 24.

    Brian S

    December 26, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    @Benjamin Franklin: I’m betting that there’s no way Thomas will recuse himself, and if he doesn’t, then Kagan shouldn’t either.

  25. 25.

    Svensker

    December 26, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    We had planned to stay home and watch football tonight in a post-Christmas torpor but some friends called to say that she just found out that two of her siblings have terminal cancer (she was told Christmas Eve) and they really really want to go out for dinner with us to talk and be with friends.

    Life really does stink sometimes.

  26. 26.

    Raven

    December 26, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    The most bizzarist interception evah!

  27. 27.

    BGinCHI

    December 26, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    @Svensker: That’s a hard road, and it’s good you can be there for them.

  28. 28.

    BGinCHI

    December 26, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    @Raven: I assume you reffed that game armed, or at least in your best muay thai stance.

  29. 29.

    BGinCHI

    December 26, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    OK, since this is an open thread and I’ve got a little time, let’s hear your Best Novel of 2011.

    That’s the best novel you read, not that you heard was good.

    I’ll start: tie between The Sisters Brothers, by Patrick deWitt and The Instructions, by Adam Levin.

    How bout you?

  30. 30.

    Maude

    December 26, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    @BGinCHI:
    Death in High Places by Jo Bannister.

  31. 31.

    Phylllis

    December 26, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    @BGinCHI: The Age of Innocence by Edith Wharton. I’d never read it before.

  32. 32.

    BGinCHI

    December 26, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    @Maude: Friend of mine is a climber (of mtns, not social networks) and he’ll love that. Will recommend. Thanks.

    See, I learned something already.

  33. 33.

    BGinCHI

    December 26, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    @Phylllis: Not much of a Wharton fan or of novels of manners generally, but she can sure write. And her books tend to be way better than the films of them. Low bar for me, though.

  34. 34.

    Mark S.

    December 26, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    I was curious if Sully had anything to say about the latest Ron Paul brouhaha, but there’s nothing but a little speculation about RAND PAUL 2016! HE’S NOT AFRAID TO USE A GAY MAN’S BATHROOM!

    I will now return to ignoring all things Sully.

  35. 35.

    wrb

    December 26, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    @BGinCHI:
    The Collected Poems of Walt Whitman.

    I’d only read a few before. I dilate.

  36. 36.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 26, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    @Svensker:

    That’s a blow, I am so sorry to hear it and glad you can be there for your friend.

  37. 37.

    BGinCHI

    December 26, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    @wrb: Not a novel.

    Please spin the wheel again.

    /I love Whitman, and highly recommend Ted Genoways’ book Walt Whitman and the Civil War. Great read.

  38. 38.

    soonergrunt (mobile)

    December 26, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    At Daughter’s birthday dinner. She’s

  39. 39.

    soonergrunt (mobile)

    December 26, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    At Daughter’s birthday dinner. She’s

  40. 40.

    Phylllis

    December 26, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    @BGinCHI: Aargh. Not available for Kindle or at my library. Guess I know what January’s book budget is pledged to.

  41. 41.

    BGinCHI

    December 26, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    @Phylllis: Which novel?

  42. 42.

    Phylllis

    December 26, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    @BGinCHI: The Whitman book.

  43. 43.

    Sebastian Dangerfield

    December 26, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    Sarah,
    Hope you had a meal and some wine at Cafe Martinho (great food, former hangout of Fernando Pessoa) while you were in the neighborhood.

  44. 44.

    burnspbesq

    December 26, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    @Benjamin Franklin:

    Fine. Write a letter to the Convening Authority and ask that what you perceive as Manning’s service to his country be given appropriate consideration at sentencing. None of that changes the fact that he committed a serious crime.

  45. 45.

    Tony J

    December 26, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    @Svensker:

    Life really does stink sometimes.

    Doesn’t it just? Found out a few days ago that my much beloved ‘common-law-step-mother-in-law’ has cancer of the throat. The consultants are both in “Don’t worry, this is something we can actually fix pretty easily” mode, but she’s still going to have to go through a month or two of really unpleasant treatment to irridate it away, and at the end she’s going to feel thirsty all of the time for the rest of her life, because it’s right next to her saliva glands and the treatment will wreck them even if it works.

    OTOH, on the same day we learn that, my significant other gets a letter from the tax people saying they’ve calculated how much she’s been over-taxed since 2004 and here’s a check for over £3000.

    Yeah, life stinks sometimes. It’s something of a testament, though, that people hit with the kind of low punch your friends have been dealt would turn to you to help them right now.

  46. 46.

    burnspbesq

    December 26, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    @Benjamin Franklin:

    I find it odd, anyway.

    People who have a clue about how this stuff works don’t find it odd. There are no grounds for Kagan to recuse herself, and Thomas isn’t going to, even though he probably should.

  47. 47.

    Paddy

    December 26, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    Surprisingly good video evening distraction- Zach Braff & Donald Faison: “Baby Its Cold Outside”.

  48. 48.

    burnspbesq

    December 26, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    @Raven:

    I reffed intramurals at USC while I was in law school. One night I got assigned a game between two teams full of football players. Scary how good some of those guys were. And jeez louise, that was one physical ballgame.

  49. 49.

    burnspbesq

    December 26, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    @BGinCHI:

    OK, since this is an open thread and I’ve got a little time, let’s hear your Best Novel of 2011.

    When the Thrill Is Gone, by Walter Mosely. I’m not sure I’ll ever like Leonid McGill as much as I liked Easy Rawlins, but Mosely can write.

  50. 50.

    YellowJournalism

    December 26, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    A Tree Grows in Brooklyn by Betty Smith

    I reread it once a year, at least. Excellent parts about Christmastime, too. Anyone ever read Joy in the Morning? I keep meaning to find it, but I’m worried I’ll be disappointed.

  51. 51.

    Mark S.

    December 26, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    No one could have predicted

    A typical year in this country features three or four weather disasters whose costs exceed $1 billion each. But this year, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has tallied a dozen such events, including wildfires in the Southwest, floods in multiple regions of the country and a deadly spring tornado season. And the agency has not finished counting. The final costs are certain to exceed $50 billion.

    We should eliminate the capital gains tax, just to be on the safe side.

  52. 52.

    burnspbesq

    December 26, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    @Mark S.:

    We should eliminate the capital gains tax, just to be on the safe side.

    That’s not even good snark. Ever heard of reinsurance?

  53. 53.

    Benjamin Franklin

    December 26, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    Listen, Marlmalard; It would be greatly appreciated if you would tender your
    comments to those who give a shit about USC lawyers.

    That institution is where ‘rat-fucking’ was conceived, and I’m not sure how far you are from Segretti’s ideology and temperament, but I would wager there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between you.

  54. 54.

    BGinCHI

    December 26, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    @Phylllis: Yeah, that’s not as easily found. A good public library might have it, or get it on request.

  55. 55.

    burnspbesq

    December 26, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    ETA: Easy Rawlins apparently survived the car wreck at the end of “Blonde Faith,” because there are two new Easy novels in the pipeline.

    http://www.waltermosley.com/doubleday-acquires-three-books-including-two-new-easy-rawlins-mysteries-by-bestselling-author-walter-mosley/

    Woo-hoo!

  56. 56.

    BGinCHI

    December 26, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    @burnspbesq: To make a stupid pun, he really does make it look easy. Haven’t read him in a while.

    I got all the boxing day matches on the dvr. You watch anything? Don’t spoil with results, as I haven’t watched anything yet. Love Boxing Day footie.

  57. 57.

    burnspbesq

    December 26, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    @Benjamin Franklin:

    Are you always an ignorant ass, or only on days that end in “y?”

  58. 58.

    burnspbesq

    December 26, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    @BGinCHI:

    Watched the first half of Liverpool, and saw highlights of ManU. Won’t spoil anything for ya.

  59. 59.

    BGinCHI

    December 26, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    @Benjamin Franklin: Marmalarde….Dead!

    Niedermeyer….Dead!

  60. 60.

    Mark S.

    December 26, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    Huh? Oh never mind, I don’t actually give a shit.

  61. 61.

    Benjamin Franklin

    December 26, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    If you want to have a ad hominem duel, I am more than ready.

    My foots big, but it won’t stretch your ass, too much

  62. 62.

    Benjamin Franklin

    December 26, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    Uinveristy of Spoiled Children

  63. 63.

    Benjamin Franklin

    December 26, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Online courage is like courage from a bottle of booze.

    Don’t fuck with me again……….

  64. 64.

    Mark S.

    December 26, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Are NFL tiebreakers complicated? Here’s the Titans:

    Lead the Jets for the No. 8 seed due to a better record in common games (4-1 vs. 3-2). Hold the same tiebreaker edge vs. the Raiders but lose a head-to-head tie with the Bengals. Would clinch the No. 6 seed with a win and a Bengals loss and either a Jets win or both a Broncos win and Raiders win (but not all three).

    Clear as day.

  65. 65.

    Hillary Rettig

    December 26, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    @YellowJournalism: I love A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. I haven’t read Joy in the Morning, for the same reason.

    Have you see the movie ATGiB? The portrayal of Francie’s Dad is absolutely heartrending (and won an Oscar).

  66. 66.

    Southern Beale

    December 26, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    So glad no one is racist anymore:

    Burned cross with racist note found on interracial couple’s front yard in Arizona
    __
    An interracial couple in the Phoenix area found a burned cross on their yard with a racial slur attached nearby to a brick that was a reference to the owner’s job.

    Anyone who says all of this anti-Obama hatred isn’t racially motivated is truly delusional.

  67. 67.

    wobblybits

    December 26, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    @Benjamin Franklin: Why the USC hate? College football season is over.

  68. 68.

    Benjamin Franklin

    December 26, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    @wobblybits:

    Sorry. He brings out the best in me.

    Mea Culpa.

  69. 69.

    Johnny's Mom

    December 26, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    A service dog named Snickers was taken away from his owner, Jim Sak, a retired police officer and disabled Vietnam vet, because 36 residents of Aurelia, Iowa signed a petition. Snickers is a pitbull-type service dog.

  70. 70.

    burnspbesq

    December 26, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    @Benjamin Franklin:

    Can you hear me laughing?

  71. 71.

    Raven

    December 26, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    Go Falcons!

  72. 72.

    Benjamin Franklin

    December 26, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    Can you see me giving you a facial?

  73. 73.

    Raven

    December 26, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    @burnspbesq: No doubt. Most D1 football players can shoot the rock. Did you see the 30 on 30 about “Marijuanvich”?

  74. 74.

    Benjamin Franklin

    December 26, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    Can you smell the odor of de feet?

  75. 75.

    Benjamin Franklin

    December 26, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    Can you feel the disrespect?

  76. 76.

    Raven

    December 26, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    @Benjamin Franklin: Ya’ll need to get a room!

  77. 77.

    Benjamin Franklin

    December 26, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    @Raven:

    I have plenty of room for honest discussion, but this asswipe….

  78. 78.

    burnspbesq

    December 26, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    @Benjamin Franklin:

    You should stop now. You’re embarrassing yourself.

  79. 79.

    Raven

    December 26, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    @Benjamin Franklin: He’s a good guy, sports get many of us riled up. Like when some douche from UVA started on the Hokies!

  80. 80.

    burnspbesq

    December 26, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    @Raven:

    What can I say? Some people don’t know how to behave.

  81. 81.

    Raven

    December 26, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    @burnspbesq: As the model of decorum I must agree!

  82. 82.

    Benjamin Franklin

    December 26, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    @Raven:

    Sports doesn’t get me riled up, He thinks his shit don’t stink. I’m here to dispense the Fabreze.

  83. 83.

    Raven

    December 26, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    @Benjamin Franklin: Aite Dawg, I ain’t gettin in the middle of a good fight.

  84. 84.

    Benjamin Franklin

    December 26, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    Hopefully, you will avoid me. It is best.

  85. 85.

    burnspbesq

    December 26, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    @Raven:

    This has nothing to do with sports. Someone got his ignorance shoved in his face and reacted badly. See comments 6, 44, 13, and 46.

  86. 86.

    Raven

    December 26, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    @burnspbesq: Believe me, I don’t even give a fuck.

  87. 87.

    Raven

    December 26, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    The case of the exploding churros!

    Judges determined that the newspaper failed to fully test it before publication, and that if readers followed the recipe exactly, the churros had a good chance of exploding once the oil reached the suggested temperature.

  88. 88.

    Benjamin Franklin

    December 26, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    Address me directly., again, and you will have your own face shoved into the igorance, lawyer……

  89. 89.

    YellowJournalism

    December 26, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    Hillary:

    Seen it many times. The father may not fit the physical description from the book (sounds young Jude Law-like to me), but the performance is perfect. In fact, the entire cast is perfect, especially the mother and daughter. The girl who played the daughter did an excellent job in another favorite adaptation of another favorite novel, Jane Eyre (Welles version, want to see the newest one).

    I would sincerely love to see a very gritty, super faithful adaptation of A Tree Grows in Brooklyn if cast right.

    And House of Mirth is the best Wharton book, hands down.

  90. 90.

    Bex

    December 26, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    @YellowJournalism: Do you mean Joy Comes in the Morning by Jonathan Rosen? If so, read it. It’s excellent.

  91. 91.

    Bex

    December 26, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    @YellowJournalism: Sorry. Didn’t realize you were talking about another Betty Smith novel. I’d still recommend Joy Comes in the Morning, though.

  92. 92.

    Raven

    December 26, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    Hell of a football game.

  93. 93.

    Anne Laurie

    December 26, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    @BGinCHI: Off the top of my head, not looking at my diary? Best new discovery, for me, was Deborah Crombie’s Duncan Kincaid/Gemma James mystery series. I like “cozies”, and police procedurals, and the sort of series arc where it feels like the characters are dictating to the author where their lives should go. Crombie’s quite good, by those parameters.

    Apart from that, Sir Terry Prachett’s latest, SNUFF, is as good as anything he’s ever written, which is a high standard indeed.

  94. 94.

    YellowJournalism

    December 27, 2011 at 12:12 am

    Bex: Your suggestion is welcome all the same. Love getting recommendations, although I need to start writing them down. A long time ago I got a ton for books on film history and cinema, but I kick myself for not writing it somewhere. (I would welcome those kinds of recommendations, again, though!)

    Right now I have Water for Elephants and The Memory Keepers Daughter sitting, waiting to be cracked open.

  95. 95.

    BGinCHI

    December 27, 2011 at 12:29 am

    @Anne Laurie: Will check Crombie out. Always game for a well-written mystery series.

    There’s nothing cozy about Jean-Claude Izzo’s Marseilles Trilogy, but if you haven’t read them I highly recommend.

  96. 96.

    Svensker

    December 27, 2011 at 12:30 am

    @Tony J:

    Hope all goes well with your mom-in-law and that the doctors are right. Scary stuff but a good prognosis is a plus.

    And yay for the extra money! Couldn’t hurt!

  97. 97.

    Svensker

    December 27, 2011 at 12:34 am

    Also, too, got home in time to watch Drew Brees break the record. That was very nice. Coolio to see it.

  98. 98.

    Bananas

    December 27, 2011 at 1:03 am

    @YellowJournalism:

    Joy in the Morning – Betty Smith

    Amazon has it and so does Alibris but best price seems to be at http://www.textbookx.com/book/9781568491691/

    (no affiliation)

  99. 99.

    burnspbesq

    December 27, 2011 at 1:26 am

    @Benjamin Franklin:

    I’m curious as to how you propose to carry out your threat of criminal violence.

  100. 100.

    The prophet Nostradumbass

    December 27, 2011 at 1:55 am

    @burnspbesq: You two deserve each other. Two condescending, egotistical goats, butting each other in the head.

  101. 101.

    Benjamin Franklin

    December 27, 2011 at 11:31 am

    @burnspbesq:

    carry out your threat of criminal violence.

    There’s no criminal violence in an adhom duel; except perhaps the violence it does to your hubris and personal pride after I’ve handed you your ass.

  102. 102.

    wrb

    December 27, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    @BGinCHI:

    Please spin the wheel again.

    Ok

    Alice Hoffman’s The Red Garden
    and John Burdett’s wild Sonchai Jitpleecheep detective series.

    ttp://www.amazon.com/Godfather-Kathmandu-Vintage-Crime-Lizard/dp/140009707X/ref=pd_sim_b_2

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