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Somehow, listening to the wingnut debate from the inmate state reminded me of this:

Sherman-and-the-Nit-Diddlers_2

I’m listening on the radio and it sounds like there is a maximum concentration of asshole on the stage and in the audience. I don’t think the last ass whooping took. Where is Uncle Billy when you need him…

Perhaps it’s time for another Open Thread.

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  3. 3.

    DCLaw1

    Man, remember when we suddenly got a massive surge of “regulation” at the end of 2008/beginning of 2009, which caused the economic meltdown?

  5. 5.

    dmsilev

    @kdaug: Well, in theory we could use the expanded military to plunder other countries and fund our government.

    I shouldn’t suggest things like that; there’s a nontrivial chance that some GOP candidate will see it and seriously propose it.

  6. 6.

    Gin & Tonic

    Looking at the picture that’s atop Richard Adams’ liveblog now, of all the candidates, it seems the only one who’s at all acquainted with a tailor is Romney.

  8. 8.

    dmsilev

    @Gin & Tonic: Someone on dkos pointed out that Santorum’s hands are about five shades lighter than his face. Either he has albino palms or his makeup artist is a mole for the Romney campaign.

  9. 9.

    Scorched Earth

    would be more than happy (actually would be quite eager) to head south and teach the boys down there yet another lesson.

  16. 16.

    Cacti

    You knew it was South Carolina the moment Juan Williams uttered the word “Mexico”.

    Vile crackers, the lot of them.

  18. 18.

    dmsilev

    Fox’s Twitter-meters for the candidates has one candidate consistently in the ‘Dodge’ category. Take a bow, Mittens. Especially on the tax question; it was literally off their charts.

  20. 20.

    Baud

    The stopped letting Juan Williams ask questions after the crowed informed them that Juan wasn’t white.

    ETA: I spoke too soon.

  21. 21.

    Donut

    @Bob:
    January 16th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    This debate has been high comedy.
    Hahahah R.Kelly pee on you.

    Oh shit, that was funny.

  23. 23.

    freelancer

    repeating my comment from downstairs:

    lolwut?

    Newt wants to create a Department of Lazy Moochers to deal with the poors so that one bureaucrat can tell them to go fuck themselves instead of having 235 bureaucrats do so.

    Santorum seconds.

  25. 25.

    gaz

    @dmsilev: As long as they’re under 12. This is the republican party boy, not a knitting circle!

    Edit: I decided that was too offensive. Replace under 12, with brown.

    Adding fvck these assholes. I’m done watching this shit.

  28. 28.

    Little Boots

    can we just pick the crazed racist and move on?

    cause this shit is getting boooooooooooring.

  30. 30.

    Hill Dweller

    A nasty Americans for Prosperity ad attacking Obama for Solyndra and blaming him for the loss of 1100 jobs just ran on ABC.

  31. 31.

    Paul W.

    According to Perry the administration is already at war with SC, so they can hardly be blamed if they start firing shots!

    Jesus, between him and Perry it really embarrasses me to be from the South sometimes.

  34. 34.

    Waldo

    As with all the other debates, I can’t bear to watch. No need to wade into the sewer to know how full of sh*t these idiots are.

  35. 35.

    Roger Moore

    @dmsilev:

    Hmmm, tempting. Offer me enough wingnut welfare, and I might go for it.

    Consider that you could take advantage of the opportunity to sabotage their campaign. How could you pass it up? The only danger is that you’d run afoul of Poe’s Law.

  38. 38.

    Nicole

    I elected to watch the Eclipse Awards (Oscars for racehorses) instead. Woohoo Havre de Grace winning Horse of the Year, making it three years in a row a filly got the top honor.

    Admittedly, not the most exciting ceremony, but I’m also not shrieking in rage as I suspect I would be watching the debate. So there’s that.

  39. 39.

    gaz

    @Linda Featheringill:

    I think this crowd will be disappointed when informed that there will not in fact be a public hanging later in the evening

    From The Economist no less.

    Too fucking right. I knew there was a reason I keep renewing. =)

  40. 40.

    kdaug

    @Little Boots:

    can we just pick the crazed racist and move on?
    __
    cause this shit is getting boooooooooooring.

    Sorry, sweetheart. One of these jackasses stands an even chance of being “Leader Of The Free World”. And the world goes boom, boom, boom.

    Football with consequences.

  41. 41.

    arguingwithsignposts

    I think this crowd will be disappointed when informed that there will not in fact be a public hanging later in the evening.

    I think we could all get behind a public hanging.

  43. 43.

    MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson

    Someone urgently needs to shrink Rick Perry’s vowels. They keep threatening to sweep away Newt Gingrich in a tide of molasses.

  45. 45.

    MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson

    And so the great wingnut mass-debation ends, with Newt bloviating. Strangely appropriate.

    What will the next debate have for us? Candidates being invited to take turns firing a cannon at Fort Sumter?

  48. 48.

    DCLaw1

    Mitt Romney complained about his legal inability to demand that pro-Romney Super PACs take down attack ads. Unfortunately, his challengers were all too incompetent to ask him whether he therefore thinks a presidential candidate should have the authority to command a private entity or interest group to silence their own political speech.

  52. 52.

    freelancer

    Isn’t Baghdad Veritas going to swing by and tell us how much Romney knocked the Southern Racists’ socks off with his brilliant tales of being against abortion cause he wouldn’t sign a bill that had to do with embryos or his gallivanting about the country non-specifically hunting varmint moose no it was elk now that I think about it…you know with “friends” (You hunt with “friends”, right?), and who knows when that happened? Calenders are for the 99%!

  53. 53.

    DCLaw1

    WOW, Juan Williams twisted himself into a pretzel trying to describe the audience’s reaction to his food stamp questions as anything other than hideous.

  54. 54.

    auntieeminaz

    Skipped this debate to watch the KU v Baylor game. So far I am extremely happy with my choice.

  55. 55.

    Little Boots

    Now watch Mitt pivot and start going for the center.

    Oh yeah, they cannot, ever. they live in the bubble, they die in the bubble.

    he is doomed.

  57. 57.

    gaz

    @DCLaw1: Join The Modern Republican Party!
    Because Marginalized People Aren’t Gonna Hate themselves, ya know!

    Seriously, can Juan Williams even pretend this isn’t all about race anymore?

    I don’t know who I’m most disgusted with – him, the candidates, the crowd… * shrug *

    I think I need to shower.

  58. 58.

    Little Boots

    Newt is going to have to apologize a long time to get back on the gravy train. sad.

    he actually made sense for a hot second there.

  59. 59.

    srv

    When the American hostages in Iran were released, a reporter asked “Would you go back to Iran?” One of the hostages replied “Yeah, in the nose of a B-52.”

    It’s good the next Sherman will have that option in South Carolina.

  60. 60.

    sfinny

    Also skipped this debate, now watching the news that a condo blew up. Then noticed that it is snowing here. Maybe I shouldn’t go offline for holidays.

  62. 62.

    scav

    If there was a South Carolina Anti-Tourist Board, apparently they’d have a campaigns-worth of clips, from what I hear. Or maybe this is all part of clever plot to keep “undesirables” from moving to the state as well as driving those already there out.

  64. 64.

    DCLaw1

    Not that reason or logic has any place in right-wing debates, but I wonder if the following will ever occur to any of these geniuses. If criticizing Bain’s slashing jobs under Romney’s leadership is an assault on capitalism, what basis is there to ever criticize jobs being sent oversees, or, for that matter, refuse to allow Mexicans unfettered access to American jobs?

    If the government should never get in the way of free market capitalism, shouldn’t we remove all government obstacles to cost-cutting by sending jobs oversees or allowing low-wage workers from other countries to flood our labor market?

    Crickets, naturally.

  65. 65.

    MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson

    @srv:

    If the ashes ain’t glowing, it ain’t Sath Cah’lina.

    Sounds like a perfectly good state slogan to me.

  66. 66.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    I hope this Alcatraz is good, anyway Hell On Wheels ended last night, I guess it was an Ok series. I am glad The Swede lives he is my favorite. Hey Justified starts tomorrow!

  67. 67.

    Rita R.

    After watching this debate I feel like I need to take a shower. While drinking something strong. And, honestly, the hatred that was on display in that audience just makes me feel sad, especially on Martin Luther King Day.

    The truth though is that Newt Gingrich’s polling will likely go up in SC after the performance he gave, which tickled the worst of the conservative id.

  69. 69.

    gaz

    @DCLaw1: At what point did you start believing that they’d allow silly things like logic or reality get in the way of their precious, infallible ideology?

    nm You were asking how they’d respond?

    because soshulism, deficit obama moslem! and STFU that’s why,

    =)

  70. 70.

    jonas

    It’s dawning on me more and more that there’s a considerable segment of this country that is — totally not joking — objectively fascist. The fetishizing of violence, the over-the-top jingoism, the barely-concealed racism — these debates are just one outstretched hand away from a frickin’ Nuremburg rally.

  72. 72.

    DCLaw1

    Not sure why, but I’m watching Sean Hannity play patty-cake with Romney now. Boy did he (and Fox News as a whole) dutifully fall in line behind the presumptive nominee.

  77. 77.

    Mike in NC

    @scav:

    South Carolina Anti-Tourist Board

    It’s run out of the state house, where they fly the Confederate flag (but no longer on the roof). The NAACP has successfully boycotted many sporting events in SC as a result in recent years.

  83. 83.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    @jonas: Next time there is a heinous crime, especially committed by an African American(well not necessarily heinous) check out the comments section, of your online newspaper. If the officials authorized draw and quartering, they would cheer it wildly.

  84. 84.

    DCLaw1

    As described by Sullivan:

    11.05 pm. Frank Luntz just gave us the quote of the night, as explosions – fireworks? – boom around the convention center. “It sounds like Fort Sumter out there.”

    Normally, I’d call that a slip, but Luntz is known to be quite careful with language.

  85. 85.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Dennis G., top

    the wingnut debate from the inmate state

    That is sheer fucking POETRY, that is.

  86. 86.

    Palli

    It sounded like calls to conservative duty: will the public hanging be averted?…some innocent passerby, we may not know until tomorrow

  88. 88.

    MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson

    @Little Boots:

    I think they’ll be pleasantly surprised by the yielding texture and lack of inconvenient spinal structures. The taste might be another matter. Weak piss just doesn’t seem to win over the customers.

  89. 89.

    Linda Featheringill

    @jonas:

    It’s dawning on me more and more that there’s a considerable segment of this country that is—totally not joking—objectively fascist. The fetishizing of violence, the over-the-top jingoism, the barely-concealed racism—these debates are just one outstretched hand away from a frickin’ Nuremberg rally.

    Yeah. Scary crowds. And it doesn’t seem to matter where the debate is actually held.

  92. 92.

    Dennis G.

    @Canuckistani Tom:
    Haley Barbour mentioned a couple of years ago that controversies about celebrating Confederate History month without any mention of slavery wasn’t worth didling a nit–a cute Southern expression for fuckin’ a bug. In light of that comment, “Nit Diddler” seemed be be a perfect descriptor for your modern neo-Confederate wankers.

    SCV stands for Sons of Confederate Veterans. I hope this helps.

    Cheers

  93. 93.

    Micheline

    @Hill Dweller: This is the GOP way of saying “I am rubber and you are glue”. It is meant to deflect from Romney. But still the ad is rather stupid. Logically, it doesn’t make sense because Obama wasn’t the one running the company. Nevertheless, one should respond by saying that the auto industry is alive and kicking thanks to Obama.

  95. 95.

    pseudonymous in nc

    FTFY on Bobo in Lesser Carolina: ” I sometimes wonder if the Republican Party has become the receding roar of white America as it pines for a way of life that will never return never actually existed.”

  97. 97.

    Little Boots

    what the Southern Gentleman would make of David Brooks, oh so sad. and he knows it. even sadder.

  98. 98.

    MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson

    I have to say, if anyone even mentions not voting because it doesn’t matter and Obama is as bad as the GOP – I, for one, would like to nail them into a chair and force them to watch that debate for 24 solid hours until they start to realize what a goddamn, fucking stupid thing they have just said.

  99. 99.

    Mike in NC

    Sullivan:

    I’m not sure what to say about this evening, except I want to take a shower. I’ve rarely been repulsed by the atmosphere of a debate as I was tonight. But this is the Republican core of South Carolina.

    I have to live with these fucking people.

  103. 103.

    smith

    Thank goodness college basketball and Australian Open tennis was on so I could avoid this like the plague. Sounds like I missed a “fun” one, huh?

  104. 104.

    Hal

    Did the audience really boo when Mitt’s father’s Mexico birth was mentioned?

    Wait, this is the guy ahead in Mexico?

  107. 107.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson: a couple of threads down, some halfwit was still justifying his/her vote for Nader, because there was no difference between Gore and Bush. Michael Moore is bleating it again about Obama. There was a guy at a blog I used to read who defended his vote for Nader– after Iraq, Gitmo, Katrina,– because Tipper Gore wanted to put stickers on motley crue albums.

  108. 108.

    Little Boots

    Does anyone in England do this?

    Does the House of York never shut the fuck up about the glorious cause?

    Cause that shit gets tired.

  110. 110.

    The Dangerman

    @jonas:

    …these debates are just one outstretched hand away from a frickin’ Nuremburg rally.

    I don’t think the audience is fascist; I suspect they are shitfaced. The local Coors distributor is dry.

  113. 113.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Mike in NC:

    I’ve rarely been repulsed by the atmosphere of a debate as I was tonight. But this is the Republican core of South Carolina.

    More so than when they booed a gay soldier, cheered Rick Perry’s record of executions, or applauded Ron Paul for saying that if the sick couldn’t afford insurance, they should just die, and reduce the surplus population. Sully gots a short memory.

    ETA: I didn’t actually see the debate, just read the comments here. I guess this was the one with the most overt racism, wasn’t it?

  115. 115.

    gaz

    @Dennis G.:

    SCV stands for Sons of Confederate Veterans. I hope this helps.

    Wow. They suck. I forgot about them.

    Umm yeah – Canuckstani – SCV are not decent people they traded sheets for confederate army uniforms, is all.

    Same basic principle.

  122. 122.

    RalfW

    @jonas:

    And that is the real danger of the place we’re in. Those fascist tendencies can be stoked. Are being stoked.

    It’s all fun to joke about the clown car and heading for a ditch or cliff. But they may drag all of us with ’em.

    Double plus ungood.

  123. 123.

    Roger Moore

    @The Dangerman:

    I don’t think the audience is fascist; I suspect they are shitfaced.

    Excluded middle. Being drunk may bring people’s repressed feelings to the surface, but only if those feelings were in them to start with. So if the crowd acts like a bunch of fascists when they’re drunk, they think like fascists even when they’re sober.

  124. 124.

    catclub

    @pseudonymous in nc: “We’re also talking about Myrtle Beach, aka the redneck riviera.”

    Gulf Shores, Alabama

    Myrtle Beach probably gets people from New Jersey, and some college students.

    Gulf Shores only has waves before a Hurricane.

  125. 125.

    RalfW

    @Little Boots: The haven’t gotten over it, if the comment threads on some of my Facebook friends are an indicator.

    “Obama is a corporatist sell-out so I’m voting ____ irrelevant minor party.”

    Thankfully, most of these people live in Texas or New York where by dint of the Electoral College, they won’t do as much harm.

    But there’s a winger fringe over here, too, ya know. It’s just rather obviously not 27% of America.

  126. 126.

    JCT

    We were vacationing in Myrtle Beach in the Summer of 2008. We were eating in an excellent barbecue restaurant right after McCain chose the Wasilla grifter. Of course FOX was on and all of a sudden folks started going on and on re the wonder that was Sarah and how she and McCain were going to “whip that boy’s ass” as the 4 of us from NYC shot glances at one another and started eating very quickly. Not pleasant. Place sounded like that fucking nutso debate audience.

  128. 128.

    Mike in NC

    @catclub:

    Myrtle Beach probably gets people from New Jersey, and some college students.

    MB exists mainly for golfers, especially the Canadians who flock there in the winter and spring. Still a backwards Bible Belt armpit with few redeeming qualities.

  129. 129.

    Anne Laurie

    @Linda Featheringill:

    So, was Mitt’s father a U.S. citizen? Was he here legally? Or was Mitt an anchor baby?

    It’s been settled — at least among polite people & lawyers — that the offspring of an American is American, be they born in Mexico, Panama (like McCain), the exotic semi-state of Hawaii, or Kenya.

    I think it’s more interesting that the foundational Romney skittered South to avoid giving up his female serfs sister-wives, and his kid skittered back north when Mexico starting nationalizing the property of rich gringos. Skittering and flags-of-convenience seem to be encoded in Willard’s very genes!

  130. 130.

    Mike in NC

    @JCT:

    We were vacationing in Myrtle Beach in the Summer of 2008. FOX was on and all of a sudden folks started going on and on re the wonder that was Sarah and how she and McCain were going to “whip that boy’s ass” as the 4 of us from NYC shot glances at one another and started eating very quickly. Not pleasant. Place sounded like that fucking nutso debate audience.

    Myrtle Beach is a redneck shithole by any standard. But at that same time (2008) we were visiting Mineral, VA — Cantor’s district and the place that had an earthquake not long ago — and at the general store where we stopped for gas, some good old boys were debating the fine points of “Obama this, nigger that”, so we backed out quietly and found another place to fuel.

    We lived in NoVA for about 20 years and it bears little resemblance to the rest of the state, which without federal contracts from across the river would be friggin’ Mississippi.

  132. 132.

    FlipYrWhig

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I would have guessed that the boos weren’t for the idea of Mexico, but for the idea of a “gotcha” question from the liberal media, like the brouhaha over Kerry and Edwards referring to Cheney’s gay daughter.

  134. 134.

    Nutella

    @Anne Laurie:

    Yep, Romney comes from a family of American outlaws that hid out in Mexico until it got too hot for them there. When they slipped back over the Rio Grande they got by on public assistance until they were able to get work. Apparently little George Romney, then 5 years old, didn’t have to work as a school janitor so that they’d deserve that public assistance. Newt would not approve.

  135. 135.

    gaz

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    because Tipper Gore wanted to put stickers on motley crue albums.

    …

    Actually, Tipper Gore was a censorship loving idiot, who flogged the idea of criminalizing artists. I have no problem with ratings, but read up a little on the PMRC, Frankenchrist, Michael Guarino, etc

    I’ll climb off of my soap box now, but I * can not bear * that woman.

  136. 136.

    Calouste

    @dmsilev:

    Well, in theory we could use the expanded military to plunder other countries and fund our government.

    That’s not theory, that’s long established American practice.

  137. 137.

    Joseph Nobles

    New Rule: If you boo when someone suggests America’s foreign policy should be guided by the Golden Rule, you don’t get to say America’s a Christian nation anymore. That goes double for saying the country’s founded on Judeo-Christian values.

    I mean, folks, we’re talking foundational, red-letter-print stuff here.

  139. 139.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @jonas:
    You’re right, but here’s the saving grace:

    That portion of the country is OLD. Fascism requires troops, not voters. They don’t have them, and aren’t anywhere close to having them. The militias are tiny and disorganized and hate each other.

    They’re still fascist in ideology and attitude, but their day is already passing. Their only weapon to screw up the country is elections, so that’s where we need to beat them.

  140. 140.

    Cacti

    @FlipYrWhig:

    I would have guessed that the boos weren’t for the idea of Mexico

    Having spent 11 years living next to Lesser Carolina, I think you’re giving them far too much credit for nuance.

    Reflexive tribal racism is the mother’s milk of the Palmetto State.

  142. 142.

    Samara Morgan

    @Joseph Nobles: you cudlips still dont get it.
    America was founded as a protestant nation.
    evangelizing and proselytizing are why we got royally fucked in Iraq and A-stan.
    you dont get to have the unicorn-fart-smelling christians you wish you had…..you get the (50% of the GOP base) WECs there are.

  143. 143.

    Angry Egilsson

    I hope the Obama campaign runs an ad just showing how ugly the republican primary voters are and what their vision of America is. I think people will recoil against them.

    I also hope Obama runs a scorched earth campaign based on cultural issues. Democrats have now actually won the culture wars; they just need to deliver the coup de grace.

    These republican debates are amazing.

  145. 145.

    Samara Morgan

    @gaz: oh, im not the hall monitor. Allan is.
    I think peeps should say w/e they want…..they just hafta be able to DEFEND it.
    ;)
    I think you are a JAFI, like AL.

    shorter gaz: its bad to piss on taliban corpses….BUT….well…..the taliban are monsters and they basically deserve it.

    i personally think the Israelis next move is much more interesting than your nuanced atrocity equivalence.
    Bibi thinks Obama is a one term president.

  146. 146.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @dmsilev:

    Someone on dkos pointed out that Santorum’s hands are about five shades lighter than his face. Either he has albino palms or his makeup artist is a mole for the Romney campaign.

    His hands are down his own pants a lot,…

  148. 148.

    gaz

    @Samara Morgan: And if you think I’m JAFI, you’re paranoid.

    Also too, thanks for completely misrepresenting me and my position. It’s par for what I’d expect from coming from you.

  149. 149.

    The Moar You Know

    SCV are not decent people they traded sheets for confederate army uniforms, is all.

    @gaz: Hey, some of us got enrolled as kids. Yeah, I’m one of them. About the furthest thing from a sheet-wearing Klan member you’ll ever meet.

  150. 150.

    Samara Morgan

    @gaz: oh pardon….you, like AL, are stealth JAFIs.
    bettah?
    i accurately represented your position.
    and given the opportunity, you didnt back down. You “dared” to make a hatelist of of taliban monster crimes.
    im only gettin started.

  154. 154.

    Judas Escargot

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    That portion of the country is OLD. Fascism requires troops, not voters. They don’t have them, and aren’t anywhere close to having them. The militias are tiny and disorganized and hate each other.

    There are plenty of strapping young Christian Warriors like Tim Tebow available in the gene/meme-pool, however.

    Never underestimate the ability of the elderly to get others to do their fighting for them.

  156. 156.

    gaz

    @The Moar You Know: In my opinion that’s the even more insipid part of it.

    If they’d just go back to straight up cross burning (the lot of them) we’d move on.

    Anyone who calls the Civil War the Northern War of Aggression, blames the 3/5’s compromise for marginalizing black people, or denies that slavery was a huge factor in the civil war might as well be a klansman – and SCV is RIFE with these people. Many are former klansman or at the very least sympathizers.

    I can appreciate the fact that not every single person that may have been indoctrinated into a chapter may not be a racist, but I’ll not apologize for telling it like it is.

    SCV is a racist organization – a hate group. It’s a little softer around the edges than the klan – but I’m with SPLC on this.

    And when I’m explaining it to a Canadian who just may not have the nuanced grasp of race relations and the Civil war in this country, I don’t mind simplifying as I did.

    I’m sorry you were indocrinated into that organization when you were younger – and I’m glad it didn’t seem to make you a hater – (and probably not a holocaust denier or slavery apologist either) but I just calls em like I sees em. That organization (even if it means something else too) will be forever tainted by the stain of slavery, as is the rest of the confederacy/confederate nonsense.

  157. 157.

    Judas Escargot

    @gaz:

    Careful gaz. Ask for hard data to back up any of her various bullshyt claims, and she’ll start accusing you of having an ‘agenda’.

    Wallah!

  158. 158.

    gaz

    @Judas Escargot: It won’t get that far. I’ve made a commitment to quota my troll responses pretty tightly. (shooting for maybe 2 or 3 every 50 comments, unless I can keep them locked into a grapple with me in a stale thread – so they leave everyone else alone =P heh).
    I’ve hit that quota with m_c.

    Ooops, I just showed my hand.

  159. 159.

    gaz

    @gaz: I should be clear my post a bit:

    The desire to purge the SCV of racism, as expressed by Gilbert Jones was admirable, but it was made in vain. The confederacy was and will always be about slavery. You can’t purge bigots from an organization that has white supremacy at it’s core.

    The racists will never leave the SCV. You can’t separate racism and the confederacy. That cancer metastasized well over a century ago.

  160. 160.

    Samara Morgan

    @gaz: i got you accurately.
    you went right from marines pissing on corpses to how awful the Taliban are.
    then you doubled down and “dared” to reiterate your posistion.
    @Judas Escargot: back up your bulshytt claim that hispanics are gunna go GOP.
    i allus back up my positions.

    The 2012 Presidential Election and Latinos
    The Pew Hispanic survey also reveals that, heading into the 2012 presidential campaign, Obama and the Democratic Party continue to enjoy strong support from Latino registered voters.
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    In a hypothetical match-up against former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Obama wins 68% to 23% among Latino registered voters. And in a match-up against Texas Gov. Rick Perry, Obama wins the Latino vote 69% to 23%.3 These results closely match the outcome of the 2008 presidential election, when Obama carried the Latino vote over Republican John McCain by 67% to 31% (Lopez, 2008).
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    Even among those who disapprove of the way Obama is handling the issue of deportations, a majority support his reelection over either of these two potential Republican challengers. Obama would carry this group by 57% to 34% against Romney and 61% to 31% against Perry.
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    The survey also shows that identification with the Democratic Party among Hispanic registered voters remains strong. Two-thirds (67%) of Hispanic registered voters say they identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party, while 20% say the same about the Republican Party.
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    And when asked which party has more concern for Hispanics, 45% say it’s the Democratic Party, while 12% say it’s the Republican Party. The share that identifies the Republican Party as the better party for Hispanics is up six percentage points since 2010.

    if you have data showing latinos falling off from Obama, other than your stupid christian magical thinking, cough it up.

  161. 161.

    Judas Escargot

    @Samara Morgan:

    back up your bulshytt claim that hispanics are gunna go GOP.

    Didn’t say they ‘are gunna go GOP’. I said that the left shouldn’t just assume they’ll stay loyal to the Democrats out of habit for all time. Just as white working-class voting patterns changed in 1980 after over half a century with the Democrats, any other demographic is just as susceptible to change.

    if you have data showing latinos falling off from Obama, other than your stupid christian magical thinking, cough it up.

    Gave you links yesterday: There’s a definite, measurable shift to the Evangelical sects. Whether or not this latest batch of Newcomers shifts politically towards the right over time like most other Evangelicals do is up to the Democrats, their messaging and their policies.

    And I’m not Christian, BTW.

  162. 162.

    Samara Morgan

    @Judas Escargot: “measurable shift” to evangelical sects != voting republican, especially while the GOP is fervently anti-immigrant and anti-hispanic.
    there is NO SHIFT to the GOP evident in the Pew data set i linked.

    AND….black evangelicals vote democrat. Only WHITE evangelicals vote GOP.
    there is NO reason to believe brown evangelicals would vote GOP.

    Evo theory of culture 101; race trumps religion.

  163. 163.

    Angry Egilsson

    @gaz:

    Presumably you are referring to me as a “hall monitor” because I quoted all your abusive rhetoric from a single thread?

    You could have just said “yeah, that was asinine, sorry”, but you chose to double-down and look even worse.

    You obviously have quite a track record of abusive rhetoric.

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