I’m Glad We Can Stop Pretending Otherwise by John Cole| January 27, 20122:37 pm| 111 CommentsThis post is in: Election 2012, Post-racial AmericaFacebookTweetEmailRon Paul knew what was in his newsletters. End of story.
I wonder what the Ron Paul fanboy he likes to call me an O-bot will say about this.
And in other news, water is still shown to be wet. They are all pretty much lying. Every. Single. One. Of. Them.
Sullivan has a classic closing line in his latest “I fucked up royally on Ron Paul but I don’t dare admit it” post:
We already knew he was lying because of the old 90’s interviews on the topic.
sully glenzillainsert gay contrarian pundit here, it don’t matter because of civil rights bitches. this conveniently ignores paul’s views on gay rights. it’s all butthurtedness (not that kind) due their unreasonable expectations of the kenyusurper.
But did he sign off on the newsletters with Hayekian modesty or using Burkean principles. That’s what really matters.
Long story short, the GOP has become the de-facto party of racists and other hate mongers. Now only if our MSM will acknowledge this fact.
I heard he used a pen full of santorum…
The fact that he merely edited and approved and was not the actual author does not mean he believes what was in the articles.
@MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson: If Paul were a convert I might agree. There’s no indication that anything has changed with Ron Paul, other than he doesn’t like to say what he thinks in public any more.
I’ve noticed in the debates that he’ll sometimes slip into a bit of 60s bashing that sounds remarkably like some of the things said in those newsletters. That’s one more reason why I don’t buy the Redemption of Ron line that Sullivan and the other cultists are pushing so hard.
Good post title. Even though it doesn’t apply to anyone who noticed Rep. Paul has been running on the same racist schtick since the 1990s.
Ron Paul panders to racists but is not heimself “personally” racist. So that’s a big relief.
There’s money in racism. Who knew?
Because, as we all know, racism just doesn’t count unless it is (altogether now) a deeply and sincerely held belief.
Are you saying that Ron Paul is not the “only honest politician” that his goofy, self-absorbed minions think he is?
None dare call it Southern Strategy.
As for the matter at hand, all of this is common sense. No politician, even one as goofy as Ron Paul, would let just anyone use their name to write whatever they want to. Even if Paul wasn’t reading the newsletters himself, he would at least have someone on his staff monitoring the damn thing. I don’t know why our dipshit mainstream media were giving him the benefit of the doubt on this bullshit.
You mean the homophobia in that Dr. Ron Paul doesn’t want to use a bathroom gays have used previously? and doesn’t really support gay marriage, but uses the “states right” coding to pretend that it isn’t about what he believes?
Oh, and he made a whole bunch of money by pandering to racists which makes him not racist somehow.
this “sully is so brave because he changes his mind when he’s wrong” is horseshit. take his parroting of the assertion that paul supported mlk legislation. i’d be much more impressed if he got it fucking right the first time by having his underbloggers or whomever do some god damned research on the series of tubes that makes up our interwebs.
I guess I missed Ron Paul’s heartfelt apology for knowingly printing these racist diatribes, Andrew.
Villago Delenda Est
If you pander to racists, and claim you’re not a racist, I fail to see the distinction, for there is no difference there. It’s mercenary no matter what the motivation is; political career advancement (see George Wallace) or simple avarice (see Ron Paul). It is despicable.
Sully via MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson:
The Spanish Inquisition lasted from 1480 to 1834, call it about 250-300 years, since it was in decline for the last 50-100 years.
If a political strategy is successful for the entire length of the political/religious career of the person using it, then it’s been a winning political strategy for them. It’s safe to say, at several hundred years length, that hunting heretics was a winning political strategy for many generations of Spanish Inquistors.
After all, your victims can’t fight you if they don’t expect you. And no one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
Villago Delenda Est
Comfy chairs and soft cushions for the heretics! Stat!
@Villago Delenda Est:
Ron Paul isn’t a racist. He just does, says and advocates racist things. Similarly, Sullivan isn’t a racist. He just endorses racists, disseminates scientific racism and supports policies aimed at racist ends.
How lucky we are to be so free of racism in America!
@JS: Heimself? Reilly?
@Violet: I don’t know about that but Sully does seem to hear Burkean bells in Ron Paul’s cadence.
Villago Delenda Est
Well, I can’t correct JGabriel’s block quote from the original, FYWP, you bastard!
@Villago Delenda Est: Happens to us all.
gg (and sully) – ok, that old coot is a goner. Who do we have next to pimp ?
I, too, am glad we can all stop pretending Sully is anything but a dipshit with an accent.
He’s not a racist, he just plays one on TeeVee, or in this case in the newsletters. Just a man endorsing a product – free market bitches!
And Every. Single. Second. Of. The. Day.
Has Romney ever said a true thing in the debates except his last name?
@Villago Delenda Est:
Cake or death?
I know, I’m mixing parodies, but I love them all.
I guess this relevation means that we will see a Paul surge in the polls. If he had owned this up before South Carolina, he would have been at least second in the polls.
@Calouste: He lied about his first name, and if he can’t even tell the truth about that it’s amazing that anyone trusts anything that comes out of his mouth. I mean, if Al Gore had said “Arnold” is my first name in 2000, the press never would have let him hear the end of it. Why is Mitt, er, I’m sorry, Willard getting a pass?
Sullivan is still searching for his Great White Hope in the wilderness of Republicans. Someone needs to get more data on Mitch Daniels and Chris Christie into his hands before he starts pimping them. They’ve been absolute disasters on the state level.
Villago Delenda Est
The Spanish Inquisition is probably my favorite Python sketch of all time.
Sully’s a complete and total jackass. I know six year olds on sugar highs that show more consistency and self-awareness than he does, without the attitude and self-regard. Granted it must be tough to want to be a “conservative” so bad that you get handed your ass by your DFH lessers every.single.time.
Of course he knew what was being said in his newsletters; including labeling MLK Day (after he voted against it) as “Hate Whitey Day.” This has been obvious from the gitgo. It was obvious when Dear Leader Greenwald was pimping him and claiming that Paul had great civil liberties views and it was obvious when Sully was publishing the exact opposite of what was factually the case.
I’m from Texas originally; I’ve been watching Paul for years and he is (as he always has been) a racist homophobic loon.
Paul in KY
Can’t get Altantic site to come up with all the gizmos & ads & things. I have a T3 line here at work & it still was taking forever. Don’t see how you guys with slower modems do it.
Newt or Santorum, I guess. Unless you want to think third party candidate or brokered convention white knight, like the Palinistas are.
Was that ever really in doubt? Matthew 7:16 and all.
Here’s what I’d like to see, anywhere.
“Hi. I have spent the past x months spamming every website comment thread, no matter how irrelevant to the topic, with the words ‘Ron Paul 2012’ or some variation on that. If I had more time, I would write a little bit about how Dr. Paul was the only man for whatever job. I do not know what the fuck was wrong with me, but I have now come to my senses, and I would like to wholeheartedly apologize to the entire internet.”
Will this do?
The Republican candidates are not only lying, they’re bullshitting, which is worse. They don’t care what they say — whether it’s true, false, or some mixture, whether it contradicts what they said in the last sentence, or whatever or whomever it damages — as long as they think it gets them closer to the nomination. ETA: It’s all “My Precious!” all the time.
I am simply stunned that the contents of Dr. Ron Paul’s Freedom Report were known to Dr. Ron Paul prior to their publication in Dr. Ron Paul’s Freedom Report. Next you’ll be telling me that the “Mallard Fillmore” guy knows what his comics are going to look like before he draws them!
Paul in KY
@fasteddie9318: He (the Mallard Fillmore guy) should know they will suck.
Sings to little fishies
@pragmatism: my spouse and I are totally sympatico on politics, but we have raised our voices and yelled at each other when comes to Sullivan. The defense of him is “he’s the only right wing person I can read, because he listens and he changes his mind.”
I hate the fucking guy. I change my mind, too, but also I’m not wrong about so many fucking things from the word go, including no-brainers like invading Iraq and goddamn Ron Paul. Where’s my prize?
Somewhat OT, I was in the car during Limbaugh’s show today, so decided to see what he thought of the debate and the race. When I tuned in, he was in the middle of reading some article contradicting one of the smear articles released yesterday (maybe the NRO one?). Apparently the bit saying Newt was anti-Reagan was completely out of context and Limbaugh read the rest of it and then spent quite some time discussing how Newt was not and never had been “anti-Reagan.”
He also spoke for a bit about the “all out attack on Newt” yesterday and opined that it “couldn’t have been coordinated by Romney’s camp because they’re not that smart.” Heh. He went on for a bit about how it was a horrible smear campaign.
Later, he spent a significant amount of time playing the Santorum-Romney debate bit on “Romneycare”. Limbaugh completely agreed with Santorum and said it was a huge problem for Romney.
My takeaway from all that is that Rush is definitely not pro-Romney. Maybe he just wants the race to go on because it improves his ratings. Or maybe he detests Romney like pretty much everyone else. Given how he’s the de facto leader of the GOP, I thought it was interesting that he’s not in the Romney camp.
@fasteddie9318: R Crumb too.
He’ll be in the Romney camp as soon as he needs to be and so will all of his listeners, because we’ve always been at war with Eurasia. They’re not dittoheads for nothing.
@Paul in KY: No shit. They’re less funny than Beetle Bailey, and they look like they were drawn with his feet.
Well, Sully is 100% right about that. But this isn’t about Ron Paul’s racist newsletters – it’s about Ron Paul lying about his racist newsletters. No conversion has taken place here because Ron Paul is STILL lying about his newsletters.
Just like he did with McCain in 2008.
@4tehlulz: Ah yes Paul’s really not a racist he just allows folks to say racists crap so he can line his pockets. If you can excuse this you are as morally bankrupt as Paul.
The Moar You Know
That’s seriously hard up for cash, and fairly stupid. Have any of you ever been around for real, live, white power skinhead types? I have. The high-functioning ones are manning the counter at 7/11 and similar convenience stores. The low-functioning ones are, of course, still in prison. The two things those fuckers don’t have is money and brains.
I was always taught that if you want to make money, go to the people who have money. The WP guys don’t have it and never, ever will.
I can’t imagine what Paul was thinking, but then again, from all I’ve seen of the withered-up old douche, thinking is not exactly his strong suit.
Yeah, I just called Ron Paul stupid. I wish more people would.
It’s going to be interesting to see how Gingrich plays this, given his attempts to kiss Ron Paul’s tightly puckered Texass with maximum devotion in the recent debates.
It is not over. Doc Paul needs to find out who wrote that crap he repeatedly signed off on so they may at long last be held accountable.
@The Moar You Know:
I’m going to make that three and add looks. I’ve often thought the reason they need an organization to tell them how genetically awesome they are is because no one outside of that organization ever will.
@Paul in KY: I’m convinced he has no idea what the drawings will look like or what the words will be until after he’s finished the comic, because nobody can possibly put together that kind of crap and think it’s a job well done.
@The Moar You Know:
What they do seem to have is guns and crank.
If RP’s actions alone don’t cement the deal, his vile son surely does. I expect we’ll be suffering from his antics decades after dad’s pushing freedom daisies (you can do a lot more damage from the Senate than you can from the House).
Paul in KY
@jibeaux: FastEddie just teed that one up for me…
If only this info had come out a few weeks earlier–paul might have done a lot better in SC.
Cue obligatory Casablanca reference.
Paul in KY
@ed: If OJ wasn’t in jail, he could help him.
@The Moar You Know: There are a lot of racists out there that aren’t in the Aryan Nations. Not every bigot has a neck tattoo.
Here in Montana there is the same stupid stuff going on, the Republicans pretending that regulations and social programs are destroying the state. Which incidentally still has $4 million in the bank and unemployment less than 7%.
I don’t understand why the Democratic party is unable/unwilling to point out that the reason the Republicans can’t stand Obama is because he is black. The dog whistles are everywhere – just look at the Flathead Valley here in Montana where “even our beaches are beautifully white” and “all of the babies born in our hospital are white”. And the MSM is completely stuck on this issue, probably because they are owned lock stock and barrel by the 1%, who also don’t like blacks, so they can’t even address the truth.
If Republican candidates and voters were honest about their racism, it would make the picture infinitely clearer for the rest of the electorate. I don’t believe that the average Montanan is racist, though its obviously part of the electoral atmosphere, particularly with respect to Native Americans. I’m sure that goes for a lot of the rest of the country.
Pretending that hating Obama is just about him being a socialist, when in fact he has governed as a middle-of-the-road Republican, is pretty silly.
Progressives are deeply disappointed in the President they voted for who promised change, and has done nothing to prosecute the crooks on Wall Street and the big banks who crashed the economy.
Passing the ACA which mandates individuals purchase private insurance is clearly not socialism – just another handout to the insurance lobby – really no better than Bush II’s Medicare Part D which handed billions in profits to Pharma by preventing Medicare from negotiating better prices for prescription drugs like the VA and Medicaid can do.
Socialism – not so much. Racism – therein lies the problem.
Paul in KY
@fasteddie9318: That sounds like the definitive take on whoever the Hell draws that POS comic. Should probably go on his wikipedia page.
Good job, oh fast one!
OK how can anyone say if you care about Civil Rights you need to support Ron Paul….Black Americans don’t need civil rights? Slaves didn’t need freeing? Can’t admit the founders screwed up that particular point? Fool.
Someone over at TNC’s made the point if RP is”lying” about his racist views, what makes the libertarians and anti drug war supporters not think he is “lying” about those things too…I think that is a very useful point.
So what, he’s against the War on Drugs, you liberal hypocrite.
@Cat Lady: @rlrr:
Most likely. But back in the dark ages of 2008, the GOP fell in line as it was supposed to do and things were all over by Florida. I suppose Romney might shut down Gingrich in FL this time, but I think Newt and his paymaster Adelson want him to go on. Ron Paul won’t quit. The whole race is just different this time.
@The Moar You Know: Yeah, but he might not have been shooting for the full blown white power folks.
He was probably gunning for the “suburban white folks who were scared of this ‘hip-hop’ and ‘gangsta rap’ and negro gang members seducing their daughters crowd.”
You know, the “I’m not racist because I have a black friend, but if I see a group of young black men walking towards me on the sidewalk, I might cross the street.”
The Moar You Know
@MikeJ: Those people are not who Paul’s “newsletter” was aimed at. Paul and his pals were trying to mine gold and votes from the lowest common denominator of American society.
We can all see how well that’s working out for him.
Jamey: Bike Commuter of the Gods
@Paul in KY: Lord knows I do.
@Comrade Dread: Reminds me of the joke “why did the chicken cross the road? Turns out it was casual racism”
As my old Uncle Joe always said, “it doesn’t matter how you slice a pig’s ass, it still pork”.
The race is different, but the other kind of race still matters, if you know what I mean, and I think you do, which brings us back to Ron Paul and why no matter which candidate the goopers like or don’t like now, they’ll all fall in line.
I suppose the wingnut radio talkers will fall in line, but I’ll be interested to see the final voting numbers after the election. Will Romney turn out people to vote?
Or his views on abortion?
@Sings to little fishies: i used to think he was genuinely wrong and graciously backtracked. i’m going full cynic and now believe that he tries to slip those things by us and then makes a show of reversing course.
Hmmm…this is making me concerned that my white hoods and nooses boutique might hurt my chances for public office. I swear I don’t know what my customers use them for, honest!
@Cricket: that’s not a cross that was burnt on your lawn, it was a lowercase t. for togetherness. h/t southpark
It all depends on the gooper – are they Christians first, white first, or gooper first? The fundie goopers who are Christian first will be the most likely to stay home, or vote for every other gooper on the ticket but not for president. I’ll take that, plz.
Are you fucking serious?
I’m looking for a real lack of enthusiasm from the GOP voters. Romney as candidate will mean the fundies feel slighted and might stay home. And the Tea Party types that aren’t also fundies. Gingrich as candidate will turn off any of the totebagger Republicans and probably most independents. And even Mormons might feel slighted and stay home.
Anything that depresses Republican voting is a good thing to me!
I take it that Aaron Hand, the head of AFG Financial Group who was successfully sent to jail for massive mortgage fraud, doesn’t count as one of the Wall Street crooks in your books? Can you explain why?
He came to mind because he just pleaded guilty to trying to hire a hit man to kill the major witness against him.
Then these progressives are self-absorbed fools.
They have their noses all out of joint because bankers have not been sufficiently punished. But they don’t have much coherent to say about effective regulatory reform which might help homeowners or bank depositors or credit card holders. Except of course when they blame Obama for not smiting the members of Congress who were blocking Elizabeth Warren’s confirmation to head the consumer watchdog agency.
It’s much more than that, except for the idiots who make a fetish out of single payer, and who lie that this is the only form of universal health reform that ever has, or ever could, exist.
Fucen Pneumatic Fuck Wrench Tarmal
of course wrong pall is lying, has been lying, and its been convenient for him that for the last 15 years or so, no one has really been motivated to sift through his shit for every last kernel. i still think there is something this year that is driving the urgency. i am not against it, at all, but beware whomever finally financed the full and complete operation.
now does stand-up historian (for history of the world part 1 buffs) newt have someone pushing it? raw money and his old guard?
and what if no one that matters to either of them, the gop base and paultards, simply don’t care?
i can still see raw money letting it all ride on white and spinning the wheel with wrong pall.
@Donut: Nope. If I was, I would not have used correct capitalization and punctuation.
Again, if his newsletters had started publishing — or even if someone had tried to publish — articles in favor of the federal reserve system or whatever, I’m pretty sure he would have noticed.
Since Mitt and Ron are the only goopers on the Virginia ballot, I hope there’s a debate anyway.
Ron Paul vs. Civil Liberties.
For years, Paul has sponsored the “We the People Act”
“Prohibits the Supreme Court and each federal court from adjudicating any claim or relying on judicial decisions involving: (1) state or local laws, regulations, or policies concerning the free exercise or establishment of religion; (2) the right of privacy, including issues of sexual practices, orientation, or reproduction; or (3) the right to marry without regard to sex or sexual orientation where based upon equal protection of the laws.
Authorizes any party or intervener in matters before any federal court, including the Supreme Court, to challenge the jurisdiction of the court under this Act.
Provides that the violation of this Act by any justice or judge is an impeachable offense and a material breach of good behavior subject to removal.
Negates as binding precedent on the state courts any federal court decision that relates to an issue removed from federal jurisdiction by this Act.”
In other words, the states have the power to mandate any religious requirements they like. The states have the power to make illegal any sexual practice they find icky. The states have the power to not allow gay marriage.
Sounds like a Civil Libertarian kind of Act to me.
It allows states to re-illegalize homosexuality and tears away the federal protection of privacy in the bedroom that keeps Texas in line.
How the FUCK is that civil libertarian?
I mean, if you’re making fun of the people who carry signs that say “FREEDOM” and “LIBERTY” and don’t care about actual freedom and liberty for anyone that’s not a heterosexual WASP, that makes sense.
Shorter Ron Paul:
If Jim Crow is fine by the good people of Dixie, it’s fine by me.
Maybe because the Democratic Party isn’t as free of racism as we’d like it to be, and some of the Democratic voters are holding their noses when they pull the “Obama” lever. The Democrats may rationally and correctly believe that they do better by playing up their role as defenders of the safety net than the party of equality. Put another way, the people who are pissed off by the Republicans’ obvious racism toward Obama are already in the bag. The ones who might or might not listen to the Republicans’ dog whistles need to be convinced by something else.
Yes, to make it clear. My comment at the end of my last post was pure snark.
I don’t think Paul is against civil rights, they just aren’t as important to him as his rigid anti-Federal government ideology. Or making a fast buck in a newsletter. Or any of a half dozen other things.
“I’m Ron Paul and I approved this lynching.”
I don’t really care whether he actively hates civil rights or is only indifferent to them and willing to sacrifice them on the altar of anti-federalism, the gold standard, and more power to the rich. The only thing that matters from a civil rights standpoint is that the policies he advocates would be profoundly destructive.
@Villago Delenda Est: Monty Python is reuniting for a new movie that is totally not a Monty Python movie, dammit: http://movies.yahoo.com/news/monty-python-stars-reuniting-absolutely-anything-210743599.html
Well, I’m not defending the guy. I do think it’s important to distinguish between a racist and an opportunist who uses race. You frame your arguments differently in each case.
In Paul’s case, I think the best line of attack is…see, he’s just another politician who will do or say anything. Rather than…see, he’s a racist.
I don’t care about the difference between somebody who has racial hate in his heart and somebody who doesn’t, but advocates for hate because it’s the way to get ahead in the world. Their actions have the same evil outcomes no matter their underlying motivations. Either way, Ron Paul can go DIAF.
That’s nice when you’re not the target of racism.
When you are, it really doesn’t matter if the guy refusing to serve you is doing because he’s a racist or because he’s being an opportunist. Either way, you’re getting screwed.
What a tangled web…
Acceptable – being racist by code
Unacceptable – being racist by stating it overtly.
The tangle is what’s happening to the GOP with immigration for example. Being anti immigrant gets you the angry white man vote. But that won’t help in the general.
The same is for racism. The MSN won’t point out the racist code because they see it as a necessary way for like minds to communicate with like minds. But they might turn off anti-racists so it’s this game they all play.
I’m sure Mr. “food stamp President” Gingrich uses the N word in private. I’m sure Romney doesn’t because he’s too genteel for that but he has other words that he uses.
And some of the Dems,especially some of the Southern Dems? They already lost the Dems that jumped to the GOP, they’re not about to call anyone out on uses the code because they need to walk that tightrope of not being pro racism but not being a N” lover.
That is the reason why no one will call them out on it. They can pretend that racism doesn’t exist because the definition they use is purposely narrow.
But the truth is, it’s just like the code White Supremacists now use by saying they’re not racist. They’re just pro white.
Even though I find racists repulsive and wastes of life worth less than their harvested organs, I find opportunists even more disgusting. Racists, as vile as they are, don’t know any differently, it’s what they really believe. Opportunists know better but do it anyway.
The prophet Nostradumbass
@isildur: Well, seeing how Graham Chapman is still, and will remain, dead, it’s kind of difficult to make a “Python” movie.
And therefore, defeat the purpose. The GOP makes a living out of exploiting the shit out of gray areas – Nixon’s Southern Strategy involved exploiting resentments without explicitly coming out and saying things like “segregation now, segregation forever,” which as you say, would make things too uncomfortably clear for the rest of the electorate.
(Even the hardcore segregationists were never completely honest about their racism – they always phrased it in terms of defending white people rather than suppressing black people, e.g. telling people that the Civil Rights Act would “enslave white people.”)
The libertarian/Ronulan logic in a nutshell. If all 50 states decide to pass laws abolishing the right to vote, the separation of powers and the freedoms of speech, assembly and religion, then went on to proclaim the Nazi or the Communist Party the supreme law of the land and open up gulags/concentration camps for all those who disagreed… why, that’d be perfectly all right, as long as none of it was coordinated at the federal level or done by the federal government.
True freedom means being safe from the oppression of the federal government. It certainly doesn’t mean being free from oppression in general. It’s all about who does the oppressing.
A Humble Lurker
@The prophet Nostradumbass:
Didn’t Cleese leave the show after the third season, though?
I always said he was either a racist or a rank opportunist.
Rank it is! I hope this wakes a few of the deluded Paultards I truly believe some actually mean well. If they are serious Ron Paul wouldn’t matter to their ideology but if that was true to begin with they would have never defended him as ideology doesn’t need a figurehead just lofty goals.
On second thought, he is a racist if he used race to enrich himself. Racism isn’t just about hate it can be about feeding it and of that he is clearly guilty.
Well, my thinking is you have to understand the enemy to defeat him.
Also, the GOP has decades of talking point, evasions and “Look! Over there!” stuff to deal with the “you’re racist” argument. That’s because a lot of them ARE racist, so, they have plenty of practice.
I think Paul’s Achilles Heel is not racism but opportunism. Lots of his followers don’t really care if he’s racist. But, they do hold him up on a pedestal as different than and better than a mere politician. If it can be shown that he has feet of clay, just like everyone, that’d really give them a kick in the nuts.
Plenty of my libertarian friends are pushing Paul at liberals, saying, that, if we want real change, neither Obama nor Romney is it and we have to look outside the two party system. That can be persuasive until you realize that Paul is nothing but a smoother grifter than Newt.
@4tehlulz: It does mean he didn’t mind it going out under his name.
Paul in KY
@The prophet Nostradumbass: You can no more have a reuniting of Monty Python than you can have a reuniting of The Doors.