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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2012 / Onward Christian Soldier

Onward Christian Soldier

by $8 blue check mistermix|  February 28, 20129:06 am| 83 Comments

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Nate Silver’s model has Michigan as a toss-up between many Cadillacs Romney and proud ratfucker Santorum (who admitted joining forces with the Daily Kos by robocalling Democrats for crossover votes). The toss-up is driven by a late frothy surge, for which Nate gives 8 possible reasons.

Eight is definitely enough, but I think he left one out: the base is lapping up the Santorum they were served over the weekend. College is for snobs. Separation of church and state makes him want to vomit. He’s reclaimed his mealy-mouthed debate performance with a dose of pure 27% proof rhetoric.

It really isn’t that complicated. What’s left of the Republican party will brook no restriction to their god-bothering, and they want their ignorance celebrated. Santorum served up a warm, wet dose of both, and his reward is that one of Mitt Romney’s many home states is going down to the wire.

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  1. 1.

    gocart mozart

    February 28, 2012 at 9:11 am

    So you’re saying that Santorum is coming from behind. Is that correct mistermix.

  2. 2.

    JPL

    February 28, 2012 at 9:12 am

    hmm.. nice article

  3. 3.

    rea

    February 28, 2012 at 9:13 am

    @gocart mozart: Not infrequently, however, santorum is left behind.

  4. 4.

    JPL

    February 28, 2012 at 9:15 am

    The Republicans have been calling our President names ranging from h.itler to Soc$alist since he was elected. Santorum calls the President a snob and the media is all over it. Snob is about the nicest thing the Republicans have called Obama but the news media takes notice. Why the uproar?
    hmmmmmm
    Edit…Since I’m in moderation, I have copied and pasted a corrected version of my comment.

  5. 5.

    c u n d gulag

    February 28, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Rick’s just pissed that the times have passed him by – by a good 4 or 5 Centuries, at least.

    He would have been a great foot soldier in The Crusades.

    Or a lackey during the Inquisition, handing tools to the torturers, mopping-up the blood and bodily fluids, and lighting the wooden f*ggots for the pyre’s, dreaming they were homosexuals he was setting ablaze.

    Ah, what fun THAT must have been, eh, Rick?

  6. 6.

    Keith G

    February 28, 2012 at 9:16 am

    It reaslly isn’t that complicated. What’s left of the Republican party will brook to no restriction to their god-bothering,

    Fixed

  7. 7.

    Marcellus Shale, Public Dick

    February 28, 2012 at 9:17 am

    i will be curious as to the latino turn out in arizona for all gop candidates.

    republicans will soon find out, santorum is like toothpaste, there is no putting it back.

  8. 8.

    SenyorDave

    February 28, 2012 at 9:19 am

    (Hopefully) a presidential election that the GOP loses where they probably should have won. If Romney wins the nomination he’ll really look like a jackass when he tries to tack back to the center.

    What if he had called Santorum on his nonsense? At this point, it really take s brain-dead slob to buy into Santorum’s rhetoric. I think Romney would be sitting pretty if he positioned himself as the one who could beat Obama. The media would have lapped up any sign of centerism from any Republican, because then they could have painted Obama as the far leftist and Romney as the moderate.

    Fortunately, the Republicans are all in on the “Obama is over head” narrative, and totally believe it. And hopefully they will continue to let the 27% determine the direction they take.

  9. 9.

    redshirt

    February 28, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Well, even if Ricky wins Michigan, by admitting he’s worked with Democrats, hasn’t he just doomed whatever chance he had?

    I mean – working with Democrats?! That’s insane.

  10. 10.

    Keith G

    February 28, 2012 at 9:22 am

    These have been bad times. Bad times scare people. Some scared people look for scapegoats and easy answers. For an overly ambitious serpent like Santorum, these are low-hanging apples.

    Obama was correct in 2008 when he was speaking to that fundraiser in San Francisco.

  11. 11.

    mistermix

    February 28, 2012 at 9:26 am

    @Keith G: Thanks.

  12. 12.

    cmorenc

    February 28, 2012 at 9:28 am

    The viciously far-right GOP primary campaign has left the eventual nominee with no viable strategic option for the general election campaign but to attempt to drag the entire electorate dramatically rightward and dumbward, because they’ve not merely burned the bridges leading back to the middle but left a voluminous audio and video of their deliberate arson. The problem with that strategy is that they’ve burned the bridges behind them which they need for most more moderate voters to cross. Doubtless Karl Rove and Frank Luntz will try mightily to help them with a crash construction project, but hopefully most voters will see this as another attempt to build a bridge to nowhere.

  13. 13.

    JPL

    February 28, 2012 at 9:29 am

    @redshirt: If Santorum wins, he can say he’s the only one that can beat President Obama.

  14. 14.

    deep

    February 28, 2012 at 9:32 am

    It’s Roger Williams vs John Winthrop all over again.

    Nothing has changed in the past 400 years.

  15. 15.

    jibeaux

    February 28, 2012 at 9:33 am

    I’m reasonably certain Nate Silver has put more thought into Michigan than the Santorum campaign itself.

  16. 16.

    harlana

    February 28, 2012 at 9:35 am

    @gocart mozart: well, he’s been surging from behind for some time now :)

  17. 17.

    Nicole

    February 28, 2012 at 9:36 am

    I see red every time that “What a snob!” clip is played on the news. My conservative uncle, product of a good public school in the 1950’s, is starting to make noises about how states shouldn’t have to provide public education if they don’t want to. It boggles my mind how easily some people can be led.

    I’d make some sort of sarcastic comment about how even all of Ayn Rand’s heroes went to college, except that, despite all the right-wing blather, Santorum’s target audience has never heard of her. Because reading anything other than the Living Bible is also for snobs.

  18. 18.

    DougJarvus Green-Ellis

    February 28, 2012 at 9:38 am

    I agree with your analysis, they eat up the crazy shit.

  19. 19.

    chopper

    February 28, 2012 at 9:38 am

    either way, santorum is creating a big mess.

  20. 20.

    harlana

    February 28, 2012 at 9:39 am

    @cmorenc: i think, given their choices, a lot of republican voters are going to stay home – will be interesting to see a snapshot of the voter turnout decline in each state once this is over

  21. 21.

    Schlemizel

    February 28, 2012 at 9:43 am

    @Marcellus Shale, Public Dick:
    I was going to make a joke about pushing Santorum back in but I’m just too decent of a guy!

  22. 22.

    General Stuck (Bravo Nope Zero)

    February 28, 2012 at 9:45 am

    WE get a peak at life in Rick Santorum’s murrica.

  23. 23.

    harlana

    February 28, 2012 at 9:46 am

    @Nicole: for the life of me, i don’t understand how people who have directly benefited from Democratic policies just don’t want others to have the same advantages; i know of at least 3 disabled people right now who would probably be living in the streets were it not for social programs and they hate Obama and Dems. also, their children and other family members benefit by not having to worry about at least some of the cost of caring for their disabled family members.

  24. 24.

    chopper

    February 28, 2012 at 9:48 am

    pure 27% proof

    those three words don’t really belong together.

  25. 25.

    Davis X. Machina

    February 28, 2012 at 9:52 am

    @harlana: Smells like team spirit. Go, Big ‘R’!

  26. 26.

    RossInDetroit

    February 28, 2012 at 9:53 am

    I’m emailing my MI friends to get out and support Rih today. I’m getting some push back that Paul would be the least horrible Republican and so we should support him. Several problems with that: 1) Paul is no better, and for the economy he would be much worse. 2) The point is to prolong Mitt’s agony by making a real race of it, so we support his closest challenger.
    I’m ready to go tape over the Obama bumper sticker on my car and hit the polls.

  27. 27.

    ladies auxiliary fuckhead (a/k/a eemom)

    February 28, 2012 at 9:56 am

    If Santorum wins, might not the establishment goopers unleash some torrent of fury about the Democrats “stealing” the election?

  28. 28.

    Democratic Nihilist, Keeper Of Party Purity

    February 28, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Just a question of money. Santorum is so good at throwing red meat to the lunatics it is truly scary.

  29. 29.

    ksmiami

    February 28, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Thing is with Rih, we can finally destroy the Repukes and then salt the earth over the party’s ashes… His views are so anti-american, so foul to freedom, but they constitute what the party is currently about so I say bring it…

  30. 30.

    Democratic Nihilist, Keeper Of Party Purity

    February 28, 2012 at 10:05 am

    My conservative uncle, product of a good public whites-only school in the 1950’s, is starting to make noises about how states shouldn’t have to provide public education if they don’t want to.

    @Nicole: Fixed to provide the salient bit of info driving your uncle’s decision making.

    Far too many folks are looking at the public schools and wanting to defund them. These are usually the same people that file lawsuits against the schools for giving a kid a B+ instead of an A. Yes, it happens, more often than you think. My wife’s school is dealing with one right now.

  31. 31.

    samara morgan

    February 28, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Sukk on this Suzanne and Maftoon Khalid.
    Romney is not a christian.
    you knew it was coming.

  32. 32.

    General Stuck (Bravo Nope Zero)

    February 28, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Lordy sakes alive, as my dead granny used to say.

    David Brooks springs the “W” word

    Wingers fight to take over the party,

    Gosh, David. You folks were all in with the Southern Strategy and all those “winger’ votes from former dems in the south, now you wanna call these upstanding GOP voters awful names. Fo shame. Reap/Sow. And watch yer backside.

  33. 33.

    Frank

    February 28, 2012 at 10:08 am

    @RossInDetroit:

    And not only that, it seems pretty obvious that Paul is supporting Romney since none of his negative ads has been aimed at Romney. So by supporting Paul, we would actually be helping Romney. No thank you!

  34. 34.

    Elizabelle

    February 28, 2012 at 10:08 am

    @harlana:

    I don’t understand that either.

    I know a couple, my age, both uninsurable due to health problems. The husband works like a fiend to keep the family insured. Wife hasn’t worked outside the home since the Reagan administration.

    They’re GOP and “good Catholics.” (With three college/grad school age daughters!)

    My friend was sneering at how long Canadians (!) have to wait for procedures.

    I really let her have it and, sadly, no longer think as highly of her. I really thought she was smarter than that.

    We’ve been friends since junior high.

    I don’t get it.

  35. 35.

    samara morgan

    February 28, 2012 at 10:10 am

    @DougJarvus Green-Ellis: c’mon MasterTroll, the GOP has medieval ensoulment as part of the official party platform.
    Its like inverse social darwinism or…. Selection For Stupid.
    want be a republican candidate? Flash your stupid chops.

  36. 36.

    General Stuck (Bravo Nope Zero)

    February 28, 2012 at 10:12 am

    more Brooksianism.

    The wingers call their Republican opponents RINOs, or Republican In Name Only. But that’s an insult to the rhino, which is a tough, noble beast. If RINOs were like rhinos, they’d stand up to those who seek to destroy them. Actually, what the country needs is some real Rhino Republicans. But the professional Republicans never do that. They’re not rhinos. They’re Opossum Republicans. They tremble for a few seconds then slip into an involuntary coma every time they’re challenged aggressively from the right.

    Gawd hep me. I’m fucking loving this election so far. “Noble Beast” “Opossum Republicans”, I hope somebody is writing all this down. David is so cute when he gets all pissy.

  37. 37.

    Nicole

    February 28, 2012 at 10:15 am

    @harlana: Me either. It requires a level of cognitive dissonance I can’t begin to comprehend.

    I really think there’s something to the whole childhood trauma making a person a right-winger. I know so many who really did have crappy childhoods, in that their parents were very distant. Maybe when you grow up with a lack of love, you end up angry, and the right-wing offers an outlet- you can be angry at all these “other people” so as to avoid dealing with what’s really going on inside.

    Which is not to say that lefties all had ideal childhoods; mine wsa no picnic. But I did know that my parents, messed up as they were, loved me.

    Total woo speculation, I know. But it gives me more peace than just acknowledging some people are total assholes. I’d rather think they’re assholes with cause. I prefer feeling sorry for them to hating them.

  38. 38.

    rikyrah

    February 28, 2012 at 10:16 am

    the latest from Willard:

    09:38 AM EST
    Romney: ‘I’m Not Willing To Light My Hair On Fire To Try And Get Support’

    In some cases our flaws over emphasized, but I do think in the general election all of what’s gone on during the primary becomes very much a thing of the past and we focus on what’s being said in the general.

    It’s very easy to excite the base with incendiary comments. We’ve seen throughout the campaign if you’re willing to say really outrageous things that are accusative, attacking of President Obama, that you’re going to jump up in the polls. I’m not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am. I’m a person with extensive experience in the private sector, in the economy.

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/romney-im-not-willing-to-light-my-hair?ref=fpa

    who is lying to?

    he’d sell his Mama for a block of votes:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDuA1yuQo6E&feature=player_embedded

  39. 39.

    samara morgan

    February 28, 2012 at 10:18 am

    @DougJarvus Green-Ellis:

    they eat up the crazy shit.

    nah.
    look at sully and dr. pinker.
    its just Murrikkkan conservatives that are getting dumber, not “humanity”…via self-selection.
    ;)

  40. 40.

    Frank

    February 28, 2012 at 10:22 am

    @Elizabelle:

    My friend was sneering at how long Canadians (!) have to wait for procedures.

    Whether true or not, I have yet to meet a single Canadian who wants to abandon their health care system and take ours instead.

  41. 41.

    cursorial

    February 28, 2012 at 10:23 am

    @chopper: 54 Proof Crazy?

    You know, at least when the Republicans were having a debate every other night, they couldn’t get away with saying completely idiotic things like the JFK line without being challenged on it.

  42. 42.

    Steve

    February 28, 2012 at 10:24 am

    I am confident, although maybe not as confident as Veritas, that Romney will win Michigan. The PPP poll found that early absentee voters went for Romney by a 62-29 margin. That’s an awful lot of votes to lock up, and I don’t think Santorum will overcome that headstart even with the benefit of a strong finish. I won’t be surprised if it’s within a few percentage points, though. This is all just for show because unless the Republicans can find a nominee who supported the auto bailout, they are going to get destroyed in November.

  43. 43.

    The Dangerman

    February 28, 2012 at 10:27 am

    @Marcellus Shale, Public Dick:

    …santorum is like toothpaste…

    File under words that don’t belong together; similarly, santorum/mouthwash, etc.

  44. 44.

    JPL

    February 28, 2012 at 10:29 am

    @samara morgan: The pastor is a tad late since Franklin Graham indicated the same thing. When asked about Romney and whether or not he was Christian, he answered he’s a Mormon.

  45. 45.

    samara morgan

    February 28, 2012 at 10:31 am

    @JPL: so did rick perry’s pastor.
    WECs wont vote for Mormon Romney when there is an alternative.
    And WECs are 50% of the GOP base…

  46. 46.

    samara morgan

    February 28, 2012 at 10:32 am

    @Steve: wanna bet meh?
    Romney is gunna lose Michigan. I see it in my quantum crystal ball.
    ;)

  47. 47.

    Ohio Mom

    February 28, 2012 at 10:33 am

    @Nicole: On my good days I feel sorry for them but on my bad days…

    As the mom of a kid with a disability, and as a resident of a rather conservative area, I meet lots and lots of hard-core Republicans who also happen to be parents of children with disabilities. They could not manage a day without the help they get from government and government-funded programs. Yet there they are, with tea-party candidate signs on their lawns.

  48. 48.

    Kane

    February 28, 2012 at 10:36 am

    A few weeks ago, many in the know were listing Michigan as a swing state and declaring that Michigan would be a major battleground state for the general election.

    Now, after seeing the GOP candidates up close and personal, Michigan is no longer listed as a battleground state and it’s considered reliably blue. Go figure.

    The longer this thing drags on the better.

  49. 49.

    Montysano

    February 28, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Romney: ‘I’m Not Willing To Light My Hair On Fire To Try And Get Support’

    I’m gonna give Willard the benefit of the doubt and say “Good for you”.

  50. 50.

    cmorenc

    February 28, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Query: How does Nate Silver include ratfucking in his statistical models? The tempting snide quip is “think like a horny rat”, but that doesn’t really translate well at all into building any statistically useful model of how many human ratfuckers will turn out in the GOP primary to skew the numbers.

  51. 51.

    Munira

    February 28, 2012 at 10:48 am

    @Frank: It’s true that Canadians don’t want to trade their health system for the US’s, but it’s equally true that we do have problems like long wait times and overcrowding. Health care is an issue in every election and since living in Canada, I’ve come to the conclusion that there is no perfect health care system. Health care is just too expensive and too complicated to provide the perfect system at anything resembling a reasonable cost.

  52. 52.

    Steve

    February 28, 2012 at 10:49 am

    @samara morgan: Evangelical voters will probably be about 40% of the Michigan GOP electorate, which is how things looked in 2008 and also what the current polls suggest. Here are the numbers from the 2008 primary, which Romney won by 9 points:

    Evangelicals: Romney 34%, Huckabee 29%, McCain 23%
    Non-evangelicals: Romney 39%, McCain 34%, Huckabee 8%

    There’s little doubt that Santorum will do very well among evangelicals. But these numbers don’t provide much evidence that Romney’s religion is viewed as a disqualifier. In 2008, he did almost as well among evangelicals as he did with everyone else.

  53. 53.

    Brachiator

    February 28, 2012 at 10:54 am

    @Steve:

    I am confident, although maybe not as confident as Veritas, that Romney will win Michigan. The PPP poll found that early absentee voters went for Romney by a 62-29 margin.

    That’s an awful lot of votes to lock up, and I don’t think Santorum will overcome that headstart even with the benefit of a strong finish. Makes sense to me. Santorum surged too late to be able to come strongly from behind.

    @Ohio Mom:

    As the mom of a kid with a disability, and as a resident of a rather conservative area, I meet lots and lots of hard-core Republicans who also happen to be parents of children with disabilities. They could not manage a day without the help they get from government and government-funded programs. Yet there they are, with tea-party candidate signs on their lawns.

    I wonder whether some of these people believe that Obama and the Democrats are just shoveling money to “unworthy people,” and if only a good pro business Republican could be elected, not only would there be more money for programs for Real Americans(tm), but the Republicans would not only bring jobs, but insurance that only cost pennies a month.

  54. 54.

    Comrade Mary

    February 28, 2012 at 10:56 am

    @Frank: Cold dead hands, baby. Cold dead hands.

    Oh, wait: make that warm, live, fully functional hands.

    Jesus, I’ve had to manually re-schedule three preventative care appointments from early March to May because I don’t have time to take away from work. (That is, I could have had any of these appointments within 1-2 weeks of calling in.) I waited about 5 weeks for elective day surgery last year, but could have had it in about 3 weeks if I had wanted to go that early.

    Yes, there are waits for some services in some geographical areas. We’re short of family doctors in some areas, so people have to use walk-in clinics. We have work to do (raising a little more in taxes wouldn’t hurt). But the vision that Canadians everywhere must wait and wait and wait for services is absolutely laughable.

  55. 55.

    harlana

    February 28, 2012 at 10:58 am

    @samara morgan: red states ain’t gonna be diggin’ it – also, i think people who identify themselves as Christians, but are by no means Christianists or even attend church regularly, are going to be very leery about Mormonism once they scratch the surface. it’s not just evangelicals. and that stuff is going to come out – the secrecy of what goes on in the church is not going to help (what are you trying to hide?). independents and swing voters are skittish and easily spooked. the few remaining, relatively “sane” republicans (along with a big chunk of the ‘vangies) will just stay home.

  56. 56.

    Violet

    February 28, 2012 at 11:01 am

    @Munira:
    The system in The Netherlands is the one I wish we had here.

    In stark contrast to many other European systems, it’s actually based entirely on private insurers, rather than a single-payer or entirely national system. Yet the Dutch system is universal, has far superior rates of satisfaction with quality of care and access, and still costs a fraction of what we pay for health care per capita in the US.

    Their system is fairly simple, everyone is required to purchase insurance from highly-regulated private providers. They describe it as “private health insurance with social conditions”. Insurers are tightly regulated for quality, provision of basic services, and to prevent discrimination, as they are required to accept everyone in their coverage area at a flat rate, no matter what their health status.

    The “tightly regulated” part is the key.

  57. 57.

    chopper

    February 28, 2012 at 11:06 am

    @Steve:

    either way frothy mix could walk away with more of the delegates or at least tie with mittens, not that that matters as much. everybody seems to be saying that this is the waterloo of the whole primary. yeah, right.

    only 2 of the 28 delegates in MI go to the statewide winner. the rest are apportioned in pairs to the winner of each of the 14 congressional districts. many of em are tossups right now and santorum is bubbling up.

  58. 58.

    chopper

    February 28, 2012 at 11:07 am

    @Montysano:

    i’m going to go the other way and say “really? even if we say ‘please’?”

  59. 59.

    dww44

    February 28, 2012 at 11:10 am

    I found this article in the New Republic by an actual reporter type informative about the early political views, or not, of the young,college aged Santorum. Was he an idealogue or was he a political tactician? The article posits that he was more of the latter at that stage of his life.

    http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/101101/rick-santorum-college-liberal-conservative?utm_source=The+New+Republic&utm_campaign=788798295c-TNR_Daily_022812&utm_medium=email

  60. 60.

    Keith G

    February 28, 2012 at 11:21 am

    @General Stuck (Bravo Nope Zero): I have been preaching this to the Republicans in my family. They say that they are socially libertarian smaller government types who celebrate Jack Kemp and GHW Bush (sometimes).

    They tend to be agnostic on abortion and have no issue with gay marriage. They just want their taxes and regulations as low as possible, if not lower.

    I keep challenging them that their recent voting for the GOP, as well as their lack of pressure on elites to moderate and step away from social mandates, supports a direction that in the long term is self-defeating. I urge them to support anyone who can provide a GOP Sister Souljah moment.

    Seems to be more work than they want to do.

  61. 61.

    Yutsano

    February 28, 2012 at 11:27 am

    @Violet: Both Japan and Switzerland are similar. Fun fact: AFLAC is the number two seller of health insurance in Japan.

  62. 62.

    catclub

    February 28, 2012 at 11:28 am

    @Frank: “Whether true or not, I have yet to meet a single Canadian who wants to abandon their health care system and take ours instead.”

    This. Likewise for France, England, Germany, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, Costa Rica, Uruguay….

    So I guess you have not met any very rich Canadians, who
    can pick and choose between theirs and ours.

  63. 63.

    Keith G

    February 28, 2012 at 11:37 am

    @catclub: The thing is, if money is no object, one can buy fantastic medical care here.

    But, there are societies that give better over-all care to their entire population than we do.

  64. 64.

    samara morgan

    February 28, 2012 at 11:38 am

    @Steve:

    In 2008, he did almost as well among evangelicals as he did with everyone else.

    because there was no WEC alternative. Huckabee had dropped out and McCain was not a WEC like Bush.
    i predicted Colorado, non?
    Nate Silver said Romney had that “advantage”.
    The more citizens know about mormonism, the less appealing Romney is.
    America will have a jewish or muslim president before a mormon is elected.

  65. 65.

    kooks

    February 28, 2012 at 11:49 am

    @Violet: This is basically what ObamaCare sets us up to do, and Sebelius has been pretty good at the regulatin’ so far

  66. 66.

    divF

    February 28, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    @Munira:
    Long lines / waiting are a consequence of trying to maximize utilization, and you’re right, the elimination of them increases costs. 95% utilization is what the accountants want, whereas a lower number – say 70% – would bring wait times to a more comfortable level. BTW, these numbers are actually real numbers, but not for health care; they correspond to utilization levels for supercomputer centers run by different US government agencies (I’ll let you guess which agency is allowed to have 70% utilization rates).

    The difficulty with high utilization rates was best summarized by a colleague of mine many years ago: would you want to use a bathroom that had 95% utilization rates ? Never mind the effect of waiting on you, just consider what this does to the frequency of maintenance (i.e. cleaning the bathroom).

  67. 67.

    Jason Bylinowski

    February 28, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    27% – 54 PROOF. Awww yeah that’s the stuff right there.

  68. 68.

    Steve

    February 28, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    @samara morgan: The 2008 Michigan primary took place on January 15. Huckabee didn’t drop out until March 4. Your theory is failing to survive its first contact with the facts.

  69. 69.

    harlana

    February 28, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    @Nicole: i can’t believe i would EVER say this, but i almost feel sorry for them, too – because i realize they really are just petrified and the only thing i can figure is they have never gotten over the 60’s.

  70. 70.

    samara morgan

    February 28, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    @Steve: Huck was NO LONGER A SERIOUS CONTENDER for anyone but WECs by January. That is what i meant. Some things have changed since 2008 besides the primary schedule.
    In a sense, Romney has already lost in Michigan. Part of the difference between 2008 and 2012 is there has been more mormon information this campaign. Also, the concentration of WECs in the GOP has risen from 40% in 2008 to +50% in 2012.
    my theory is sound.

    and Romney is going to lose Michigan.
    just watch.

  71. 71.

    Mnemosyne

    February 28, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    @catclub:

    So I guess you have not met any very rich Canadians, who
    can pick and choose between theirs and ours.

    It’s more like medical tourism, actually — using our system allows them to jump the line. Doesn’t it worry you that rich Canadians are using the US system the way rich people in the US use India’s system? We are their third world country.

  72. 72.

    Steve

    February 28, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    @samara morgan: The percentage of evangelical voters in this primary will be 40-45%, no higher. Your argument that as a group they consider Romney unacceptable because of his religion is disproven by the 2008 results and it will be disproven again. Of course that group will favor Santorum, just like every group that cares more about social issues will favor Santorum, but Romney’s numbers with evangelicals will be fairly close to his numbers with non-evangelicals, just like in 2008. This is not Iraq with Sunnis and Shiites.

  73. 73.

    Frank

    February 28, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    @Munira:

    Sure. I have friends in the UK who say the same thing. Wait times and overcrowding. Regardless, not a single one wants to give up their system for what we have here in the US. Wait times is better than the risk of going bankrupt just for the sake of health care.

  74. 74.

    rollSound

    February 28, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    [Santorum]’s reclaimed his mealy-mouthed debate performance with a dose of pure 27% proof rhetoric.

    A drink that is 27% alcohol is actually 54 proof.

    Maybe that’s why the wingnuts think they’re in the majority!

  75. 75.

    stevestory

    February 28, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    He’s reclaimed his mealy-mouthed debate performance with a dose of pure 27% proof rhetoric.

    The amount of fail in this sentence should get you kicked back to the farm team.

  76. 76.

    wrb

    February 28, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    @samara morgan:

    Romney is not a christian.

    Doesn’t matter. This is about the Unified Dominionists v. Roger Williams.

    The Mormon Church is as Dominonists as the Catholic Church and the Bachmanites.

  77. 77.

    JWL

    February 28, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    “What’s left of the Republican party will brook no restriction to their god-bothering, and they want their ignorance celebrated“.

    Well put. Which is why the democratic party finally exhausted my considerable patience with it. Democrats consistently engage those irrational people on those irrational terms; sell their rank and file down the river, time and time again; and then duck-and-cover. It’s a party trapped in a right wing rip-tide.

  78. 78.

    samara morgan

    February 28, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    @Steve: i got 50% from the Great Nate Silver. Where does your figure come from?
    and 2008!=2012.
    just look at Colorado.
    the times they are a changin’.
    ;)
    the Lesson of Sarah Palin taught the base they dont have to settle for the conservative machine candidate anymore.

  79. 79.

    samara morgan

    February 28, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    @Steve:

    Romney’s numbers with evangelicals will be fairly close to his numbers with non-evangelicals, just like in 2008.

    like they were in Colorado?
    hahaha
    c’mon dude… put cher money where your mouth is….cross my palm with Siiiiiiiiiiiiiilvah.
    Place a bet.
    im saying Santorum wins Michigan.

  80. 80.

    samara morgan

    February 28, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    @wrb:

    Doesn’t matter.

    well, it mattered in Colorado and i think its gunna matter in Michigan tonite.
    ;)

  81. 81.

    wrb

    February 28, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    @samara morgan:

    Doesn’t matter in the General. Which ever Dominionist gets the nom will get the support of the rest of them against the black non-Dominionist UCC Christian.

    Tonight I call for Ricky, though. Rush came out hard for him today. Should determine enough last-minute decisions.

  82. 82.

    samara morgan

    February 28, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    @wrb: it will matter.
    because of enthusiasm, and because Romney cant get the 65% of the white vote he needs to beat Obama without ALL the WECs voting for him, because all the WECs there are are now in the GOP.
    And one reason he cant get that 65% is that he is a mormon.

  83. 83.

    Terry

    February 28, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    I voted for Rick in Lodi Township, Michigan, at 8:30 this morning. So did my wife and the couple in line directly behind us. Big smiles on our faces. Place was otherwise empty.

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