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by John Cole|  March 12, 201211:13 pm| 77 Comments

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Just finished watching Smash, and if you aren’t watching that show you are missing out. This is where all the haters call me a girly-man, and I simply respond with Katharine McPhee in dance tights, Katharine McPhee in a TBD, and Katharine McPhee in her James Brown rendition last week. Suck it haters.

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  1. 1.

    WyldPirate

    March 12, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    Hater? Hell, she’s a 10 on the stiffy-meter.

  2. 2.

    OzoneR

    March 12, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    Anybody want to take a crack at the two polls today showing Obama’s approval rating tanking over gas prices?

  3. 3.

    Omnes Omnibus

    March 12, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    @OzoneR: It’s March.

  4. 4.

    Cacti

    March 12, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    @OzoneR:

    Anybody want to take a crack at the two polls today showing Obama’s approval rating tanking over gas prices?

    Everybody’s polls going down at the same time makes me think some sample tweaking is afoot to gin up the general election horse race.

  5. 5.

    gnomedad

    March 12, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    Derrick Bell’s widow responds. Palin called him a racist? Jeebus.

  6. 6.

    Cacti

    March 12, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    @WyldPirate:

    Hater? Hell, she’s a 10 on the stiffy-meter.

    Do her turn-ons include unreconstructed Confederates?

  7. 7.

    Mike D.

    March 12, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    Girlfriend CANNOT act, unless she happens to be singing at the same moment. It’s like she’s not really there when she’s just delivering lines, which then makes her professional-actor castmates’ actual animation make her look all the worse by comparison. Nothing wrong with that – just be a singer, not an actor.

    Nevertheless, I suspect I ‘respond’ to her in exactly the same way.

  8. 8.

    ulee

    March 12, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    Katherine McPhee as a Walker… that would be funny. I don’t need two dimensional darlings. Zombies are fine.

  9. 9.

    victory

    March 12, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    memorandum.com is stuck on March 12, 2008.

    Hmmmmm……

  10. 10.

    jl

    March 12, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    I am beginning so suspect there is some Theatuh blood running through Cole’s veins.

    See if anyone can talk him into putting on a Balloon Juice musical. Commenters could send in audition clips.

    Except I guess Lily and Rosie get dibs on the roles of Dog One and Dog Two, and Tunch will be the Cat. So no one bother with those parts.

    We can let the front pagers fight it out for Maestro Behind the Curtain. That parts belongs to Cole, but I imagine modesty would prevent him from producing directing AND starring.

    Edit: Cole, check for vaudeville trunks someplace in your parents house and their revelations about their secret past lives. Or if that does not pan out, prepare to hear that you were adopted from a dashing and romantic theatre couple who came through town doing a show long ago.

  11. 11.

    The Dangerman

    March 12, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    @jl:

    That parts belongs to Cole, but I imagine modesty would prevent him from producing directing AND starring.

    This isn’t a p0rn shoot, right?

  12. 12.

    J. Michael Neal

    March 12, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    @jl: What modesty?

  13. 13.

    Calming Influence

    March 12, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    Whatthefuck is Smash? I’ll give it a go,as long as it doesn’t conflict with American Pickers.

  14. 14.

    Linda

    March 12, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    McPhee is the weakest part of the show. She is one-dimensional and can’t really sing or dance.

    The Broadway numbers are the best and Megan Hilty is awesome. I do like this show but fear for its future.

  15. 15.

    Hill Dweller

    March 12, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    @OzoneR: Gallup has Obama up to 49%.

    The twitter machine is saying both polls changed their weighting to favor Republicans.

    Gas prices were high the last time they did polling. I can’t imagine the drop was the result of gas prices.

  16. 16.

    Calming Influence

    March 12, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    @jl:
    “John-a-mia”

  17. 17.

    jl

    March 12, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    @The Dangerman:
    @J. Michael Neal:

    POrn or immodesty in WV? I cannot imagine something like that.

    Cole: you will need to screen audition videos carefully to keep out the riff raff. There maybe some of that type at this here blog, hate to say so.

  18. 18.

    JS

    March 12, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    TBD?

    Tutu Ballerina Dress?

  19. 19.

    gnomedad

    March 12, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    @jl:

    See if anyone can talk him into putting on a Balloon Juice musical. Commenters could send in audition clips.

    I like it. Or, once we have a script, we can sign up to shoot 15-second segments a la Star Wars Uncut.

  20. 20.

    jwb

    March 12, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    @Hill Dweller: Something odd seems to be going on, and I’ll be interested to hear your theory when you are ready to drop it. The general lack of commentary on these results in my twitter feed and on the blogs I visit is not at all usual.

  21. 21.

    Mnemosyne

    March 12, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    @Hill Dweller:

    The weirdest part of the CBS poll was that something like 54% of respondents thought the president can control gas prices. You’d think that’s the kind of result that would make a pollster wonder about the quality of responses he’s getting, but apparently not.

  22. 22.

    PoliticalHack

    March 12, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    @JS:

    Tight/Tiny Black Dress?

    Tenpin Bowling Derby?

    Terrapin Blue Dirigible?

    Pics would definitely bring clarity to this one.

  23. 23.

    Calming Influence

    March 12, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    I’d comment more frequently, but I’m busy piling shit up against my trailer to entice Mike and Frank, and maybe if I’m lucky (fingers crossed) Danielle!

  24. 24.

    JCJ

    March 12, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    @ Amir Khalid and @BGinChi

    I don’t have much confidence, but GO EVERTON!!!!!

  25. 25.

    The Snarxist Formerly Known As Kryptik

    March 12, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    I swear to god that if Obama actually, by some freak chance of nature, loses the presidency because of fucking Gas Prices, I may as well hang myself, because it’ll show just how fucking backwards this country has gone.

  26. 26.

    pragmatism

    March 12, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    Ahem Katherine mcdouble D

  27. 27.

    OzoneR

    March 12, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    The weirdest part of the CBS poll was that something like 54% of respondents thought the president can control gas prices

    Go in deeper, apparently Americans now agree with Republicans on contraception and want a war in Iran.

    That’s what raises questions. Are gas prices making them rethink their birth control positions?

  28. 28.

    Comrade Luke

    March 12, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    My Gonzaga Bulldogs got a 7 seed in the NCAA tournament, and drew 10 seed West Virginia. The game is being played in…Pittsburgh, 75 mi from WVU’s campus.

    Fucking bullshit.

  29. 29.

    jwb

    March 12, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    @OzoneR: It was the contraception responses that really floored me. I have many thoughts about what might have produced these results, none of them good.

  30. 30.

    General Stuck (Bravo Nope Zero)

    March 12, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    @OzoneR:

    I’d be surprised if rising gas prices didn’t make those polled to take it out on someone. And that is always the prez. Gallup has Obama at 49 percent, so go figure. Other polls have similar higher numbers.

    I’d look for dems and Obama to politick back at the speculators, and start talking up regulating those clowns and maybe submit a bill in the senate. It won’t make any difference in gas prices, and would have no chance of passing, but it could blunt any wingnut meme pushing the public to blame Obama.

    Otherwise it is early for taking polls too serious. The exception being ‘favorables’ polling for the candidates. That is likely the best number to gauge the state of a two man race that is a POTUS election at this stage. Obama is way out in front on that one.

  31. 31.

    nellcote

    March 12, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    @OzoneR:

    Anybody want to take a crack at the two polls today showing Obama’s approval rating tanking over gas prices?

    R+4 D-3 from last WaPoo poll.

    http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2012/03/explaining-dip-obama-approval-rating.html

  32. 32.

    JC

    March 12, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    It’s not your a girly man, you wouldn’t know good TV if it smacked you upside the head with 12 inches of limpdick.

    Chuck was for retards. Seriously. Something is wrong with anyone who could watch that gay ass show.

    WTF???

  33. 33.

    Hill Dweller

    March 12, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    @OzoneR:

    Go in deeper, apparently Americans now agree with Republicans on contraception and want a war in Iran.

    Those numbers would make sense if they were over-weighting republican men, which is the criticism I’m seeing.

  34. 34.

    MikeJ

    March 13, 2012 at 12:01 am

    @OzoneR: That’s what raises questions. Are gas prices making them rethink their birth control positions?There must be some connection with the old ran out of gas ploy.

  35. 35.

    jwb

    March 13, 2012 at 12:03 am

    @nellcote: Have you seen a similar analysis of NYT/CBS poll?

  36. 36.

    David Koch

    March 13, 2012 at 12:04 am

    @OzoneR: Even winger commentators noted the polls are oversampling rural areas and white men.

    Networks make a lot of money for their shareholders by keeping interest in a tight horse race.

    Stoopid NBC/WSJ decided to play it straight up and report Obama’s 18 pt gender gap advantage, when they could have instead ginned up a false narrative of “too close to call”.

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/12515580

  37. 37.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    March 13, 2012 at 12:05 am

    Anyone who’d use “girly-man” as an insult is on the wrong side of history, too.

  38. 38.

    Suffern ACE

    March 13, 2012 at 12:07 am

    ‘@hill dweller – the American middle class has gotten behind every other war in my lifetime (and conveniently forget why they stopped loving it when the next one comes ariund) so I would not be surprised that the fact that we aren’t at war with Iran drives them crazy by the end of the summer. We do not prefer peaceful relations. It’s how we roll.

  39. 39.

    jwb

    March 13, 2012 at 12:08 am

    Nate throws up his hands:

    This is what polling data looks like: at any given time, you are going to see some relatively stronger and weaker numbers for Mr. Obama and for the Republican candidates — both because of the different methodology employed by different polls and because of sampling error.
    __
    [snip]
    __
    Timing can also be a factor: the Monday Gallup poll, for instance, was conducted entirely over the weekend, after the relatively good February jobs report had been published. It’s possible that made some difference, but who knows. In the long-run, a poll published 238 days before an election is not going to be much more accurate than one conducted 236 days before the election — unless there has been some fundamental shift in the political environment.
    __
    For now, those fundamentals look mostly the same. So far, the rebound in consumer confidence has been fairly resilient to gas-price increases, for instance.

  40. 40.

    Crusty Dem

    March 13, 2012 at 12:14 am

    @JC – I lol’d, I think you can find a parallel that might explain Cole’s Chuck love and Smash-appreciation.

  41. 41.

    brian

    March 13, 2012 at 12:14 am

    “If you aren’t watching, you are missing out.” Is this how one has to speak to become a successful Intarwebs personality? And what is this television you speak of?

  42. 42.

    Mnemosyne

    March 13, 2012 at 12:15 am

    @jwb:

    I wish he’d addressed some of the other weird anomolies that people have noticed, like the sudden decline in support for insurance coverage of birth control.

  43. 43.

    Punchy

    March 13, 2012 at 12:16 am

    So any LMJ in a TBD will give you a RHO, eh? I guess its OK, as long as shes not a POS PITA MILF

  44. 44.

    jwb

    March 13, 2012 at 12:20 am

    @Mnemosyne: Well, if he addressed those anomalies, he’d have to come out and say the poll sucked. Has he done that with a poll sponsored by NYT since he moved there?

  45. 45.

    David Koch

    March 13, 2012 at 12:26 am

    The only interesting new fact from the movie “Game Change” is how expensive it is to conduct a poll.

    For those who didn’t see it, at one point Palin demands a poll of Alaska, and the campaign manager resists because it’s so expensive ($60,000 to poll the 2nd smallest state in the union) and because Alaska wasn’t in contention.

    If it costs $60K to poll Alaska’s population of 750K, think how much it costs to poll the entire country of 311 million.

    And therefore, publicly traded companies like CNN, WaPo, and NYT just aren’t going to put the resources into producing a quality poll. They don’t have to. They’re not running for office. Their poll is simply for infotainment purposes. So they cut costs and cut corners. The result is volatility.

  46. 46.

    PeakVT

    March 13, 2012 at 12:27 am

    @David Koch: I like that poll. 49-43 O vs. $. Undecideds will break against the incumbent, but not by 7 to 1.

  47. 47.

    Irony Abounds

    March 13, 2012 at 12:29 am

    I explained the poll numbers, but when I tried to submit it sent me to mobile site and wouldn’t post. I must say, I’m really tired of this mobile site snafu, it makes the damn site unreadable.

  48. 48.

    David Koch

    March 13, 2012 at 12:30 am

    @Crusty Dem:

    a parallel that might explain Cole’s Chuck love

    Gawd, I loved her slutty parallels.

  49. 49.

    jwb

    March 13, 2012 at 12:31 am

    @PeakVT: Did you look at the date on that poll? 1/26/2012

  50. 50.

    asiangrrlMN

    March 13, 2012 at 12:38 am

    @jl: I actually had an idea to write a BJ musical. It’s almost ScriptFrenzy time. Maybe I’ll give it a go. The question is, what part would be played by Alan Rickman? All my plays have a role for Alan Rickman.

    @gnomedad: To me, this is the worst part of all these smears – the destroying of individuals’ reputations. Janet Bell spoke well on Professor Bell’s behalf.

    ETA: Gluten-free pretzels are delicious.

  51. 51.

    Martin

    March 13, 2012 at 12:43 am

    @David Koch:

    If it costs $60K to poll Alaska’s population of 750K, think how much it costs to poll the entire country of 311 million.

    It costs exactly the same. Sample sizes are likely to be roughly the same. Alaska might be 1000 LVs, the nation 3000, tops. The cost of having the poll developed is likely the same as well, assuming they’re asking a similar number of questions – and they don’t vary by too much.

    In fact, the standard approval polls are cheaper because there’s really no survey to develop, unlike what was described in the movie which is to solicit a specific set of opinions, so the survey needs to be custom developed – and the sample set as a result is likely to have to be somewhat unique as well. She wanted to know approval back home – not really the same thing as dipping into the LV database.

  52. 52.

    PeakVT

    March 13, 2012 at 12:43 am

    @jwb: Yes, I did. And the latest is just about the same.

  53. 53.

    RadioOne

    March 13, 2012 at 12:46 am

    Hey! I watched the first three episodes of that show before giving up on it! I wanted to like it! There’s just too many other good shows to catch up on right now. I’ll give it another shot if the season is released on Netflix and I have time for it.

  54. 54.

    David Koch

    March 13, 2012 at 12:46 am

    @jwb: My Bad. Posted the wrong link.

    Here’s the link to the poll they released last Monday.

    http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/_Today_Stories_Teases/12202_March_NBC_WSJ.pdf

    Here’s the video of Chuck Todd going over last Monday’s numbers.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/46627194#46627194

  55. 55.

    trollhattan

    March 13, 2012 at 12:46 am

    Gas schmas, here’s a push poll:

    “On the day of President Obama’s inaugural, the Dow was 7,949.
    Today, the Dow is 12,959.71.
    How has the American economy fared under President Obama’s policies and leadership?”

    Fucking memes, how do they work?

    Also, too, this Katherine McPhee?

    http://img.tamtay.vn/files/360doyeu/photos/47134/471f3512_5.jpg

    Hubba.

  56. 56.

    BGinCHI

    March 13, 2012 at 1:14 am

    @JCJ: Jesus, late to the thread, but it looks like we have an Everton fan here.

    I’m sorry, but I’m gonna have to taze you, bro.

    (I honestly don’t dislike Everton, but we’re going to beat you. Sorry.)

  57. 57.

    suzanne

    March 13, 2012 at 1:29 am

    @asiangrrlMN:

    The question is, what part would be played by Alan Rickman? All my plays have a role for Alan Rickman

    That’s amazing. All of mine have a hot sex scene with me and Robert Downey, Jr.

  58. 58.

    Rita R.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:30 am

    @David Koch:

    I believe that polls like this tie their sampling to what the pollsters predict the makeup of those who turn out to vote in the election will be. But I can’t imagine what could have happened in the last couple of weeks to make them believe the voters who’ll show up in November will be more Republican — particularly more white, male and rural — than their previous predictions. If anything, I would think that with the uproar over contraception it would be the opposite.

    I’m usually not one for conspiracy theories, but it makes your explanation more plausible to me. I wouldn’t put it past them, and I know all the endless debates boosted the cable nets’ ratings.

  59. 59.

    David Koch

    March 13, 2012 at 1:44 am

    Today’s Gallup Poll: Obama approval at nine-month high, 49%.

  60. 60.

    Martin

    March 13, 2012 at 1:54 am

    Looks like housing prices are going to start to turn around about the time of the election. Corporate vacancies continue to drop, rents are climbing. Housing demand lags both by about 6 months. Commercial construction is picking up in selected markets. Retail vacancy is quite low, so that sector is picking up as well.

    Bad trends for the GOP.

  61. 61.

    nellcote

    March 13, 2012 at 2:07 am

    @asiangrrlMN:

    The question is, what part would be played by Alan Rickman?

    Duh, John Cole!

  62. 62.

    asiangrrlMN

    March 13, 2012 at 2:14 am

    @suzanne: I did a screenplay that had really really hot scenes between Alan Rickman and me, er, the leading character. I had to expand the screenplay to a trilogy because I spent way too much time on Alan and me. Er, the leading character.

    @nellcote: What was I thinking? Method acting at its finest!

  63. 63.

    ruemara

    March 13, 2012 at 2:59 am

    Smash. No thanks. Not unless she develops a super power or has to vamps to kill. Warbling and screeching about putting on a play? Absolutely no thank you. Bring back Chuck!

  64. 64.

    Riilism

    March 13, 2012 at 4:17 am

    @JC: Um, you gotta a problem with gay asses, dickweed?

  65. 65.

    Batocchio

    March 13, 2012 at 4:26 am

    Katharine McPhee in dance tights

    Too bad she can’t dance. And her acting’s weak. But she has a nice voice.

  66. 66.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 13, 2012 at 5:43 am

    And just because there are never enough right-wing lying liars, heeeeere’s Tony Scalia claiming that the 2000 Bush v. Gore decision was 7-2 — “not even close.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/09/441313/scalia-rewrites-history-claims-5-4-bush-v-gore-decision-wasnt-even-close/

    I need to go get my gob unsmacked now.

  67. 67.

    valdemar

    March 13, 2012 at 5:46 am

    Here’s a bit of Limey satire:

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/war/predator-drone-visiting-afghan-families-on-condolence-mission-201203135003/

  68. 68.

    harlana

    March 13, 2012 at 6:31 am

    Katherine McWho?

  69. 69.

    Kerr Lockhart

    March 13, 2012 at 7:02 am

    Never understood the meme about musicals being gay. First of all, my Naval officer father loved musicals. Second, as I tell my students, which is more gay, joining a sports team and hanging out in the locker room with sweaty men in their jocks or joining the school musical and hanging out backstage with a bunch of barely-dressed women? Chinese food is not Jewish because Jews like it and musicals are not gay because there are a lot of gay fans. Like JC says, suck it!

  70. 70.

    Paul in KY

    March 13, 2012 at 8:33 am

    @Kerr Lockhart: There’s a ‘Family Guy’ episode you probably shouldn’t watch ;-)

  71. 71.

    vernon

    March 13, 2012 at 8:50 am

    Pssst—hey Cole—they stick gorgeous chicks in ragingly stupid productions all the time, hoping to distract from the raging stupidity—think Broadway plays, fashion shows, Michael Bay movies, etc. I guess there was a time when I would put up with the stupid for the sake of the T&A … then I turned 14 …

  72. 72.

    chopper

    March 13, 2012 at 9:24 am

    alright, seriously. i’m going to Pacific Standard this week and trying a Santorum cocktail.

    will report back. i’m hoping it’s as frothy as its namesake.

  73. 73.

    muddy

    March 13, 2012 at 9:36 am

    I have been liking the new show, Awake. Has anyone else seen this one?

  74. 74.

    Peter VE

    March 13, 2012 at 10:37 am

    What happened to Anjelica Huston? It looks like her face transplant didn’t take… Katherine McPhee. Deborah Messing. What’s not to like?

  75. 75.

    Peter VE

    March 13, 2012 at 10:38 am

    What happened to Anjelica Huston? It looks like her face transplant didn’t take… Katherine McPhee. Deborah Messing. What’s not to like?

  76. 76.

    MCA1

    March 13, 2012 at 11:21 am

    I saw about 20 minutes of that abomination when my wife was watching it a week or two ago. She was embarrassed that I caught her watching. Pure excrement. Terrible writing + stiff acting + overall theme of navel-gazing narcissism = completely pointless crap. They tried to take Glee, dress it up for so-called adults, and then cross it with Fame or something. So it’s not only shitty, it’s derivative and shitty at the same time. Why anyone would waste their time on this kind of corrosive sludge when we’re in a golden age of televised drama, with at least 10 hours a week of seriously high quality stuff on the tube that’s better than almost anything coming out of the movie studios, is beyond me.

    Since we all so love to psychoanalyze our gracious host from afar, I suspect Cole is Stockholm Syndromed to the old media model of event television, planning his viewing around a network-dictated schedule, and likes the routine and comfort it provides; and feels adrift just thinking about the vast, open waters of the whole Hulu/Netflix thing and the idea that AMC, not NBC, might carry the two best shows on television. Also, too, you kids get off my La-Z-Boy!

  77. 77.

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    March 13, 2012 at 5:22 pm

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