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You are here: Home / Politics / Politicans / David Brooks Giving A Seminar At The Aspen Institute / It ain’t beanbag

It ain’t beanbag

by DougJ|  May 27, 201210:59 pm| 96 Comments

This post is in: David Brooks Giving A Seminar At The Aspen Institute, Election 2012

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Glad to hear this:

After nearly two weeks of heated debate over whether President Obama should attack Republican Mitt Romney’s tenure at a private-equity firm, Democratic leaders across the country say they are largely united behind the strategy, even as some concede an uncertain outcome and new polls show Obama has lost ground nationally.

The Democratic leaders, in numerous interviews over the last week, said they are hearing little or no resistance among the party faithful in their states to a strategy that Republicans have characterized as anti-capitalist. And Obama has no plans to back off; his campaign will roll out more stories in the coming weeks that advisers said will again show Bain Capital as a corporate menace that protects profits at the expense of people and jobs.

“He wanted to have this conversation,” Jim Burn, chairman of the Pennsylvania Democratic Party, said of Romney, the likely GOP nominee. “We’re going to have it. There should be no hesi­ta­tion or equivocation.”

I’m sure the Snooze Hour and Sunday morning crews won’t be happy, but how many divisions do they have?

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    May 27, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    This is good news for John McCain.

  2. 2.

    JordanRules

    May 27, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    He hasn’t lost ground nationally because of this conversation, obviously the horse-racing tea leaf readers may say differently.

  3. 3.

    MikeJ

    May 27, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    Thanks God I missed nothing all afternoon. PLease go through every post today today and add a comment from me:

    “Democrats in disarray!”

  4. 4.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    May 27, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    even as some concede an uncertain outcome and new polls show Obama has lost ground nationally.

    The polls they link to don’t really support such a flat assertion, to say the least. And I’m glad they’re sticking to their guns. THat’s a difference between the Obama team and Gore Kerry.

  5. 5.

    Southern Beale

    May 27, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    We’re in New York. I just saw a Disney musical about a union organizer who organized a strike against the wealthiest 1%er of his day, Joseph Pullitzer. The entire crowd was cheering. My friends in the theater business inform me that this show will win the Tony for best musical.

    Something very strange is going on here.

  6. 6.

    David Koch

    May 27, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Black Jimmy Carter!

  7. 7.

    Baud

    May 27, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    @Southern Beale:

    Something very strange is going on here.

    What it is ain’t exactly clear.

  8. 8.

    Southern Beale

    May 27, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    @Baud:

    There’s a man with a gun over there, telling me I’ve got to beware…

  9. 9.

    AxelFoley

    May 27, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    Something Wicked This Way Comes…

  10. 10.

    PsiFighter37

    May 27, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    The line of attack is a no-brainer. As long as it’s articulated well (and Obama’s response at NATO indicated he is on the job), this is the easiest way to take down R-Money.

    That, and it’ll make team R-Money so nervous they’ll shut themselves trying to figure how to respond.

  11. 11.

    David Koch

    May 27, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    In the latest move, wingers are going on tee vee, offering to help the Obama campaign with “constructive advice”, recommending they ditch the bain attack, and just run on their accomplishments.

  12. 12.

    Hill Dweller

    May 27, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    The MSM and the Dems who depend on Wall Street money tried to nip this campaign in the bud, but the Obama campaign told them to fuck themselves. I hope the President called Dianne Feinstein personally to tell her that he was doubling down on the Bain attacks.

  13. 13.

    kay

    May 27, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I agree. They’re just completely dishonest. “New polls support our narrative!”

    Except they don’t.

    I listened to a bobblehead show in the car today, and the whole discussion was about how Obama is mean to Romney.

    Romney’s superpacs are running hundreds of negative ads about Obama in Ohio right now. No mention of that.

    They live in a world of their own, they really do.

  14. 14.

    Nutella

    May 27, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    Typical IOKIYAR: Romney uses Bain as a campaign talking point to impress the Republican voters and pundits but gets bent out of shape if Obama uses Bain as a campaign talking point to impress the Democratic and non-aligned voters.

    As Ezra pointed out, both Romney and Obama want to talk about Bain because it fits in so well with their campaigns. Neither Romney nor Obama want to talk about Romney’s record in his only elected office because it doesn’t fit with their campaigns.

  15. 15.

    David Koch

    May 27, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    @PsiFighter37:

    it’ll make team R-Money so nervous they’ll shut themselves trying to figure how to respond.

    if you read the transcript of Rmoney’s interview with Halperin, he was given multiple opportunities to defend his time at bain and he punted every single time.

    it didn’t get the coverage it deserved, in part because Rmoney is a bore, but more so, because IOKIYAR.

    I’m old enough to remember when Ted Kennedy ran for president in 1979 and he was asked why did he want to be president, and he gave a mediocre answer, and the media turned it into a scandal.

    here, after running for six years, after bain had been a focus during the primaries, after Rick Perry called him a vulture capitalist, after Stephen Colbert compared him to Jack the Ripper, and after bain had been the focus of two weeks of brutal commercials, Rmoney was still unable to provide any answer.

    yet the liburel media turned it’s head

  16. 16.

    Donut

    May 27, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    I’m sure the Snooze Hour and Sunday morning crews won’t be happy, but how many divisions do they have?

    Ha.

    Fuck them. Fuck the whole nihilistic, craven lot of them, so very much. Every time I hear any of the Village whine about Obama I feel like his odds improve.

  17. 17.

    Villago Delenda Est

    May 27, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    Yeah, “some polls show”, my ass.

    The media asswipes will do ANYTHING to protect the horse race narrative. ANYTHING. They have no ethics, they have no scruples.

  18. 18.

    Baud

    May 27, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    The reason this is a really nice strategy is that Romney really wants to talk about Obama. He absolutely doesn’t want people to talk about himself because to look at Romney is to dislike Romney, even for Republicans.

    The “controversy” over Bain, however, forces the Village to focus on Romney, even as they are trying to criticize Obama.

  19. 19.

    4tehlulz

    May 27, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    some concede an uncertain outcome

    behind the grassy knoll.

  20. 20.

    Hill Dweller

    May 27, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    @Nutella:

    As Ezra pointed out, both Romney and Obama want to talk about Bain because it fits in so well with their campaigns. Neither Romeny nor Obama want to talk about Romney’s record in his only elected office because it doesn’t fit with their campaigns.

    This is another bullshit narrative. In that NATO press conference, Obama ridiculed Romney for running from his record as governor. Axelrod and Cutter are constantly hammering Romney for his jobs record as governor. Robert Gibbs hammered Romney for his jobs record as governor this morning.

    They are primarily trying to destroy the notion that private sector experience makes a person uniquely qualified to be President because the Romney campaign is built entirely on on that claim.

  21. 21.

    mai naem

    May 27, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    I had CSPAN on this afternoon and they were replaying the Philly school visit. It was just playing in the background and I wasn’t really putting my whole attention to it and even at that I could just hear the phoniness in Romney’s voice, responding to the teachers’ concerns. The “mmm’s” you here from people who don’t really agree with you but don’t want to get into a full battle with you(lets not forget, his son gets to make money off charter schools.) I am willing to bet a hundred bucks this POS has never ever had to worry about a car payment or a car repair bill or skipping an insurance payment or had to eat something you didn’t want to eat because you absolutely could not afford something more expensive. This scumball has made money off ruining other people’s money. His rich beeyach wife wouldn’t be able to afford her druh-s-A-ge if it wasn’t for his blood money. And oh, yeah, this was after I read the Salon story about his sister in law having an illegal abortion. He’s a smarmy insincere scumball who needs to lose in a landslide and BTW I hope his homophobic church spends lots of money indirectly promoting this POS so that they have less money to spend on their homophobic campaigns.

  22. 22.

    Strontium 90

    May 27, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    Obama has lost touch with the voters. I contributed in 2008 and now I get emails for from the campaign for dinners with George Clooney and Sarah Jessica Parker. What is up with that?

  23. 23.

    gbear

    May 27, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    @Baud:

    The reason this is a really nice strategy is that Romney really wants to talk about Obama.

    Well, actually he wants to lie about Obama. Pretty much everything he’s said about Obama is a lie. And on the rare occasions that he gets called out on it he lies again.

  24. 24.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    May 27, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: I think it’s more than just the horse race. We’re now twenty five years past the ‘great crash’ of ’87, when the joke was “When the market crashed in ’29, reporters called their editors, in ’87 they called their brokers.” And since then, there has been a cultural and generational shift in the media. I despised Tim Russert, but he really did have working class roots. Sam Donaldson could be a buffoon, but he was, effectively, a Roosevelt-Kennedy Democrat. I don’t know how David Gregory, John King or Jake Tapper grew up, but I’m guessing they worry more about deducting mortgage interest and property taxes on their water- or slope side vacation homes than they do student loan interest, or individual health insurance premiums. And the journos who aren’t in that class, like so many Americans, hope and expect to be sooner rather than later. Gregory is such an obvious (and odious) Randian supply-sider I can’t believe it doesn’t get more attention.

    Shorter me: The Establishment media are tote-baggers who are gonna vote for Romney telling themselves, Oh, he’s not one of those…

  25. 25.

    karen

    May 27, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    Lloyd Grove on Daily Beast also had a narrative on how Obama could be “mean.”

    That, more than anything, shows you how the rules are different for Democrats and Repubichairians. Especially black Democrats that are President.

    They might as well just say “Obama’s not being a punching bag so he’s not doing his job and that makes him the angry black man and we DON’T want that…”

    Fuckers.

  26. 26.

    karen

    May 27, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    Shorter me: The Establishment media are tote-baggers who are gonna vote for Romney telling themselves, Oh, he’s not one of those…

    I know one who won’t. He can be a jerk sometimes but Chris Matthews really HATES Romney.

  27. 27.

    Baud

    May 27, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    @gbear: It really is remarkable what he gets away with media-wise. I don’t think it’s a trait that will serve him well in the fall though.

  28. 28.

    David Koch

    May 27, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Gregory is such an obvious (and odious) Randian supply-sider I can’t believe it doesn’t get more attention.

    that’s because nobody watches his show.

  29. 29.

    amk

    May 27, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    Love the ‘chicago style politics’. :)

    Herd the fucking cats, tunch included.

  30. 30.

    mai naem

    May 27, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    Also too,just to show how little things changed, CSPAN ran a clip of LBJ’s tapes where he’s telling the Secret Service director that he does not need 26 Mercurys at the LBJ ranch, 2 or three are enough and how the Republicans will make an issue of it. Never mind that a President had been assasinated a year before but oh nooz, you don’t want 26 Mercurys because of the Republicans. BTW, my respect for LBJ grows after I hear one of the tapes. He’s smart with a good personality and he managed to get fcuked by the generals on Vietnam, but JFK would have never gotten done domestically what LBJ got done for the good of the country. .

  31. 31.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    May 27, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    @karen: Absolutely. I mock him and find him oafish at times, and he’s embarrassingly prone to man-crushes (Fred Thompson, John Kasich, god knows who else) but he’s definitely in the Roosevelt-Kennedy model, pro-gay rights, sensitive to racism, and was one of the few, maybe the only, prominent DC figures to flat out oppose the Iraq War.

  32. 32.

    Donut

    May 27, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    @Hill Dweller:

    Romney is terrified of having to defend his public sector record.

    He just wants to talk about Bain on his own terms. Not gonna happen; as someone said above, the Obama camp of 2012 from a tactics and strategy is nothing like the Kerry or Gore camps, which is why Obama actually has a pretty good shot at winning.

  33. 33.

    gbear

    May 28, 2012 at 12:03 am

    @Baud: He’s just so rich that he takes it for granted that he can say whatever he wants to say and never have to pay for it. He doesn’t even have the wiring to deal with it when he’s called out.

    Charles Barkley just got off a great line when Romney’s face came up attending the Celtics game. “We gon’ beat you like a drum come November…You goin’ down bro'”

  34. 34.

    Hill Dweller

    May 28, 2012 at 12:05 am

    @Donut:

    Romney is terrified of having to defend his public sector record.

    Of course he is afraid of his public record. His only accomplishment is passing the template for Obamacare.

    The fact that even the liberal Ezra Klein is pushing that nonsensical narrative is proof enough the media is bought.

  35. 35.

    lacp

    May 28, 2012 at 12:17 am

    @gbear: Beg to disagree. Willard doesn’t just lie about the President – Willard lies about everything.

  36. 36.

    AA+ Bonds

    May 28, 2012 at 12:18 am

    Time to carve out the Kaplan

    as some concede an uncertain outcome

    this could mean anyone, and reading the story, it does;

    and new polls show Obama has lost ground nationally.

    this could mean any poll regardless of how it compares to other polls, and reading the story, it does.

  37. 37.

    gbear

    May 28, 2012 at 12:20 am

    @lacp: Well, yeah, there’s that too…

  38. 38.

    clayton

    May 28, 2012 at 12:23 am

    OT: Where is John Cole’s post about Erik Erick Erick getting SWATTED?

    When will Cole stop buying the wingnut?

  39. 39.

    Carolinus

    May 28, 2012 at 12:26 am

    @Strontium 90:

    Obama has lost touch with the voters. I contributed in 2008 and now I get emails for from the campaign for dinners with George Clooney and Sarah Jessica Parker. What is up with that?

    > RNC ratFr Software 0.91 beta 2
    > Load automated profile 90 [“Disillusioned 2008 Obama Contributer”]
    > Initializing …

  40. 40.

    JordanRules

    May 28, 2012 at 12:27 am

    @gbear: Precisely. Dude, does not have the wiring. Cue media horse-racers, fake-a$$ handicappers , DEM knee-cappers, 27%ers and Koch-suckers to play enablers in diverse and perverse ways.

    Black metro-sexual Abe Lincoln (I’m still ridiculously tickled by that one) faces the same battle and still, he’s built for it.

    VP Biden’s speech yesterday to military families was exactly what we should expect from our Leaders in the Executive. Check it out if you haven’t yet. The differences between parties is too damn striking. SMH

  41. 41.

    AA+ Bonds

    May 28, 2012 at 12:33 am

    So far we have seen a recapitulation of Rovian strategy from Gingrich to Obama:

    Romney cannot present his public record to Republicans and be accepted, so his strength in campaigning is his private sector record, private sector success proving at least palatable to both Republicans and some non-Republicans.

    Romney has no real “strengths” when speaking to the public in current circumstances, since his private sector experience was on Wall Street, but believe it or not, the Rove playbook – consolidating and maintaining a base – identifies his strength as his private sector experience, especially in a primary campaign against Gingrich, who has mostly made money through various forms of pay-for-play public speech.

    The Gingrich campaign used Rove’s strategy – attack Romney’s strengths.

    Romney’s strengths promptly became weaknesses by the time the Obama campaign repeated the strategy, but I want to reiterate: as far as Rove’s strategy is concerned, private sector experience remains Romney’s strength.

    Private sector success remains a reliable way to consolidate the base, and the only one, really, as the role will certainly not be served by Romney’s religion, his record on inflammatory issues, the name of the state where he was governor, or any of the methods used to promote George W. Bush in 2000 that most liberals I knew proved unwilling (not unable, but unwilling) to understand.

    Romney and Crossroads will double down on the “job creator” narrative and keep pushing Romney’s private sector experience. They have no choice now but to fight on these grounds, and they will fight dirty.

    If I were them, I would handle the flips side by waging a war of attrition: stick to the Red-hunting angle, and keep hitting Obama’s team on either side of him, until a seemingly novel version of the Obama-the-radical narrative appears, one where self-described centrists can tell themselves “all that other ‘socialist’ business was just crazy B.S., but this is Something Else, Something Serious”.

    Their current work seems to be consistent with this strategy but that may be a secondary benefit to some other planned response.

    Certainly, they are on the defensive – they have practically always been so and had to have planned for it – but they have no absolutely wonderful options right now.

  42. 42.

    Mnemosyne

    May 28, 2012 at 12:36 am

    @Southern Beale:

    I’m frankly shocked to hear that the show is good, because the movie sucked ass.

  43. 43.

    David Koch

    May 28, 2012 at 12:43 am

    did anyone see the shocking ending on tonight’s “Mad Men”?

  44. 44.

    Villago Delenda Est

    May 28, 2012 at 12:51 am

    @Carolinus:

    Nailed it.

  45. 45.

    mclaren

    May 28, 2012 at 12:53 am

    If the pundits hate it, Obama needs to do more of it.

    It’s a lot like Balloon-Juice. If the BJ commentariat hate it and scream hysterical envenomed verbal abuse at me for saying it, that tells me I’m on the right track and need to say a fuckload of a lot more of it.

  46. 46.

    mainmati

    May 28, 2012 at 12:59 am

    @kay: And Obama is double-digits over Romney in Ohio who said fuck you to the auto industry that made his Dad’s fortune. The Super PAC strategy as far as I understand it seems to be entirely an air game and not a ground game. So they get the eyeballs of network viewers +40 years. Granted that’s a lot of likely voters but the GOTV campaign in key states is what will matter not the air warfare IMO.

  47. 47.

    IrishGirl

    May 28, 2012 at 1:13 am

    I’m sure the Snooze Hour and Sunday morning crews won’t be happy, but how many divisions do they have?

    I am sure the ass kissers and cock suckers are legion

  48. 48.

    IrishGirl

    May 28, 2012 at 1:17 am

    @David Koch: No I didn’t and I won’t get to until I watch it on Netflicks, so please don’t spoil it for me! I have only enough time to focus on one intricate storyline at a time and right now that is GOT. All else must wait until the season ends…including Mad Men, which I do truly love.

  49. 49.

    IrishGirl

    May 28, 2012 at 1:17 am

    @David Koch: No I didn’t and I won’t get to until I watch it on Netflicks, so please don’t spoil it for me! I have only enough time to focus on one intricate storyline at a time and right now that is GOT. All else must wait until the season ends…including Mad Men, which I do truly love.

  50. 50.

    EriktheRed

    May 28, 2012 at 1:26 am

    @Carolinus:

    I was considering replying, “Your concern is duly noted”, but I’m glad I didn’t. Yours is much better.

  51. 51.

    ulee

    May 28, 2012 at 1:45 am

    @David Koch: I wouldn’t call it shocking. Wolf Blitzer calls everything shocking. Everything. I’d like to comment on the episode but I don’t want to spoil it for those who haven’t seen it. Good episode. Only two left in the season.

  52. 52.

    Karen

    May 28, 2012 at 1:55 am

    I get the feeling that because Romney has money, he could do anything, including rape or murder and somehow, because he has money, it would be ok. Not saying he has but it seems like the media would excuse anything he did. You know the saying about the dead girl or live boy? I honestly believe that the live boy would be the only thing that the media and GOP can’t stomach. Obama is a criminal before he even does anything and Romney is a saint. All the gaffes and stupid things he says and does magically disappear. If it wasn’t for Rachel Maddow or Chris Hayes or Lawrence O’Donnell or even Chris Matthews, no one would even know anything Romney does.

    All that garbage Obama has to swallow. All that racist bilge and contempt the GOP has for him. If he has a “mean streak” then that makes me happy. If he didn’t have one by now he’d be a Stepford husband like Romney. Who has a very mean streak but of course it’s invisible.

  53. 53.

    David Koch

    May 28, 2012 at 1:57 am

    @ulee: [spoiler alert] a major character being written out [arguably the 2nd lead], I think that’s shocking.

  54. 54.

    Karen

    May 28, 2012 at 2:00 am

    @David Koch:

    You think she left?

  55. 55.

    TheMightyTrowel

    May 28, 2012 at 2:07 am

    @Mnemosyne: Them’s fighting words! Leave Newsies (1992) alone!

    @Karen: Oh goodness I hope so! She deserves to move on to bigger and better things and leave off servicing Don’s ego.

  56. 56.

    Anoniminous

    May 28, 2012 at 2:12 am

    When the fuckers pigs are squealing you know you’re doing something right.

    See also Anoniminous and feebog from a previous thread and mainmati in this thread.

    It would be foolish six months out to say it’s in the bag and sit on our behinds, but the basis of the election is shaping to be a happy November 7th.

    ETA: Ohio is a Must Win state for Romney. If he loses it, he’s lost the presidency.

  57. 57.

    ulee

    May 28, 2012 at 2:15 am

    @David Koch: Brackets do not constitute a spoiler alert. The damage you have caused is irreperable. And no, I didn’t find it shocking. It was a long time coming.

  58. 58.

    Karen

    May 28, 2012 at 2:21 am

    @TheMightyTrowel:

    I’m sorry I wasn’t clear, I thought it was the actress herself that was leaving. I hope not.

  59. 59.

    FlipYrWhig

    May 28, 2012 at 2:22 am

    I know I’m not the first one to point this out, but if leading Bain was such a great object lesson in how to create jobs, why was it that when Romney was governor, _after_ Bain, his state couldn’t generate jobs? Doesn’t that negate his whole stupid premise?

  60. 60.

    TheMightyTrowel

    May 28, 2012 at 2:23 am

    @Karen: Well, all the other characters who have left are pretty much GONE (Sal, we hardly knew ye). Except that she’s hired on to Don’s arch enemy’s firm and there are 2 more episodes in the season…

  61. 61.

    Karen

    May 28, 2012 at 2:29 am

    @TheMightyTrowel:

    How can Don be so chivalrous with Joan yet treat Peggy like a child who doesn’t know her place? I have a weird theory. Since Peggy is a lot like Don and was his protege, was his treatment of her a symptom of his self-hatred. I wonder…

  62. 62.

    Xenos

    May 28, 2012 at 2:35 am

    @mainmati:

    The Super PAC strategy as far as I understand it seems to be entirely an air game and not a ground game. So they get the eyeballs of network viewers +40 years. Granted that’s a lot of likely voters but the GOTV campaign in key states is what will matter not the air warfare IMO.

    It is analogous to modern air power – you can blow stuff up and have jets flying all over the place, but you can’t actually win with airplanes alone. You are winning, and winning, and winning, until everybody realizes that you can’t win.

    Then you decide you need to blow up the village in order to save it…

  63. 63.

    FlipYrWhig

    May 28, 2012 at 2:44 am

    @Karen: IMHO it’s because he sees Joan as traditionally feminine — even though that’s more of a role she works, right down to the curvy body — but Peggy is not like that and rarely plays that card. And Don’s “chivalry” was gallant but disregarded Joan’s own ability to make her own choices, so I’m not sure we’re supposed to see it as a heroic quality in him.

  64. 64.

    David Koch

    May 28, 2012 at 2:53 am

    @Karen: well, she left the company. since the show is based on the company, it would mean she’s out. yes, they bring Don’s first wife back, once and awhile, but January Jones is effectively out.

  65. 65.

    David Koch

    May 28, 2012 at 2:55 am

    @FlipYrWhig: This. Good one.

    Someone tweet that to Axelrod, Messina, and Cutter: “why didn’t Rmoney’s bain experience translate to successful job creation as gov of MA”

  66. 66.

    David Koch

    May 28, 2012 at 3:04 am

    I guess they’re paying for license to the Beatles song by cuttin the cast budget.

  67. 67.

    Steve in DC

    May 28, 2012 at 4:39 am

    @FlipYrWhig

    Since when has reality mattered to Mitt?

    His entire shtick (and that of his party) is that government can’t create jobs or wealth and working for the government is not a job. Thus job creation is only accomplished by getting government off the back of business so business can create jobs.

    It’s easy to dodge on MA, he’s already done it in debates. MA didn’t count because it was full of Democrats, Perry only did it in Texas because he had Republicans to work with.

    This does play well with people. It’s the entire “look if that asshole zoning board would let you build that extension on your house, and those stupid green-o freaks didn’t bar you from building it because of wetlands, and your taxes were lower enough you had the cash you could have built it. And think of all the people you’d have paid to help build it, you’d create jobs. Now do that on a huge scale and you see how those damn liberals prevent corporations from creating jobs, vote Republican!”

    Any sort of attack on his record in MA will pivot straight into bashing MA for being a blue state and Democrats hating business.

    Republican’s depend entirely on using family based economic sound bytes to validate their arguments, and it works! “Debt is bad, you need to balance your check book”, yeah quasi true. You can’t effectively run a household when your minimum credit card payments take up too much of your income, but the government can print it’s own money or raise it’s own income any time it wants. “regluation and technocrats prevent people from creating jobs” true when you get screwed by idiotic local laws that are a fucking pain to deal with. But while your home extension might be blocked because some asshole nanny state laws blocked it and it wouldn’t have done anything wrong it’s a different matter than pouring toxic waste into the drinking water. “lower taxes let people spend more to create jobs” yeah, that’s true when you’re living paycheck to paycheck like most people, that extra cash will get spent. But when you’re rich as hell it just goes into interest bearing accounts doesn’t get spent on anything.

    Make no mistake that Republican talking points make total sense for an average family when they think about them in the context of their daily lives. Romney will simply paint the Democrats in MA and the current president as those governmental forces that annoy people enough they want to kick the cat.

  68. 68.

    xian

    May 28, 2012 at 6:48 am

    @mclaren: yes, I remember ’08, when McCain was obsessed with winning the beltway 24-hour narrative and Obama was obsessed with winning the election.

  69. 69.

    Southern Beale

    May 28, 2012 at 7:29 am

    @Mnemosyne: The show wasn’t that great I was just shocked that they launched a big budget musical about a union organizer. What next, The Grapes Of Wrath: The Musical”?

  70. 70.

    magurakurin

    May 28, 2012 at 8:06 am

    @Carolinus:

    funniest thing on the Internet today. Outstanding Red Team, outstanding. Get you a case a beer for that one.

  71. 71.

    Corpus Christy

    May 28, 2012 at 8:12 am

    If, like DougJ, you’re “glad to hear” that Dems are united in their attack on Bain, try not to be shocked when the strategy bites them in the arse:

    Plug the words “Bain Capital” into an OpenSecrets.org search and you learn that while Bain people have lovingly contributed to their former CEO’s presidential campaign, almost 3/4 of their contributions to other candidates, 72% to be precise, have gone to Democrats. That’s a higher percentage to Dems than the AFL-CIO! And among the top recipients are Dem headliners like Al Franken, Claire McCaskill, John Kerry, Mark Udall, Nancy Pelosi, and Sherrod Brown. They were also major contributors to the Democratic National Committee and the national Democratic party. There are very few Republican candidates on the OpenSecrets list, and no major gifts to the GOP itself.

    http://wp.me/pqagG-qj

  72. 72.

    amk

    May 28, 2012 at 8:34 am

    @Hill Dweller: Bingo.

    And our own steve douche’s concern on this is duly noted and laughed off.

  73. 73.

    Kane

    May 28, 2012 at 8:38 am

    We are only getting started on Romney and Bain.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da9hpDOY-Ig

    And we still haven’t even touched on Romney’s Swiss bank accounts, money in the Cayman Islands, his taxes, his record as governor, his profiting from outsourcing of jobs, his countless policy shifts on every single issue, and on and on and on.

    It only gets better.

  74. 74.

    Kane

    May 28, 2012 at 8:44 am

    @Corpus Christy: It’s one thing to accept political contributions from Bain. It’s something altogether different to hold up your employment at Bain as your job creator cred and primary reason why you should be elected president.

  75. 75.

    kay

    May 28, 2012 at 9:29 am

    @Corpus Christy:

    It’s dishonest to conflate individual donors with a company or sector.
    If I donate, and write “lawyer”as an occupation, am I donating under “legal services” or as an individual?
    John Edwards was the first national figure I saw doing this. It was bullshit then and it’s bullshit now.
    He did it regularly in debates and the idiot moderators never called him on it. Clinton tried to call him out, but, you know, we don’t have time for “details” like accuracy.

  76. 76.

    AxelFoley

    May 28, 2012 at 9:33 am

    @Carolinus:

    > RNC ratFr Software 0.91 beta 2
    > Load automated profile 90 [“Disillusioned 2008 Obama Contributer”]
    > Initializing …

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    Own’d

  77. 77.

    FlipYrWhig

    May 28, 2012 at 9:40 am

    @Kane: Right, this. It’s one thing to say “I made millions from private equity and now I’m using it to make political donations,” and quite another to say “I made millions from private equity and now I have a special understanding of how the government ought to and should create a climate for business.”

  78. 78.

    TR

    May 28, 2012 at 9:52 am

    Goddammit, David Koch. You know, some of us were away from home on a holiday weekend. Thanks for ruining it, ass.

  79. 79.

    Elie

    May 28, 2012 at 10:28 am

    @Carolinus:

    Hilarious! Thanks for this.

  80. 80.

    grandpa john

    May 28, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Polls show what? Anybody see any links to or names of these polls. I have seen exactly 1 poll , Q-paic in Fl which shows a change, and when you go i nto the q paic poll and check the internals, it was highly suspect, first they went from Obama +7 to Rmoney +6 in a matter of 5 weeks, not likely . Secondly they had women as virtually even just 2 point diff.
    Third, they had Hispanic at only 54% Obama, they must have done all their Hispanic polling in Miami.
    and finally there were no cross tabs to be found. no break down of numbers polled by party affiliation, race, sex, age groups.
    now one of the things I did learn from Nate Silver and 538, is that polls that dont show their cross tabs are usually worth the paper they are printed on and not much else and also No one poll can be construed as proving anything, it is the average of polls that is significant, and another thing, Horse race national polls are a waste of time,for example polling in red states will show a large number of Reps which will skew the percentage numbers but they don’t represent the swing states where the winning electoral votes are The polling in individual states is where the rubber meets the road and the most useless of all are these stupid approval polls

  81. 81.

    Elie

    May 28, 2012 at 10:34 am

    I think that Team O is doing a fine job of defining Romney. In general I think that he has the label “venture capitalist” pretty much branded into his hide. Even their back door strategy to throw team Obama off its game using backstab boy and Bain Bootlicker Corey didn’t work and the one who got most damaged in that was Corey cause he set up the pitch perfect Obama response.

    I believe that Romney is fairly well labeled and has none of the personal or political skills to fight it off. As someone posted above, they haven’t even started yet. And Obama is doing the kniffing too. He aint afraid to tussle with pretty boy who is still letting others do his fighting — (also because he aint no good at it anyway). Obama is going to black his eyes and send him home crying to his Mama.

  82. 82.

    JD Rhoades

    May 28, 2012 at 10:39 am

    It’s easy to dodge on MA, he’s already done it in debates. MA didn’t count because it was full of Democrats, Perry only did it in Texas because he had Republicans to work with.

    But when Obama points out he’s having trouble with the spoiled brats of a GOP controlled House, the media and the GOP sneer that he’s “whining”.

  83. 83.

    gogol's wife

    May 28, 2012 at 10:43 am

    Did anyone read the article about Ann and her dressage guru on the front page of the NYTimes yesterday? How the two of them swindled some woman they sold a horse to? I’m sure the Public Editor will leap to Mitt’s defense and scold the Times for being mean to him.

  84. 84.

    AA+ Bonds

    May 28, 2012 at 11:08 am

    @gogol’s wife:

    Did anyone read the article about Ann and her dressage guru on the front page of the NYTimes yesterday? How the two of them swindled some woman they sold a horse to?

    Ha yeah and that is a kneecapper designed for the upper crust NYC horse owners who still subscribe to the Times

    It’s something that “isn’t done”, not even by Wall Street wives

    Especially not by Wall Street wives, who are supposed to be the half that doesn’t have to engage in cutthroat deals, but instead spends lavishly and generously, under the unspoken 1960s-style gender covenant of that set

    If you’ve ever met a couple where the husband works or worked in a firm like that, you’ll know what I mean

  85. 85.

    AA+ Bonds

    May 28, 2012 at 11:11 am

    @Steve in DC:

    This does play well with people.

    Ah yes, the coveted “all humans” demographic

  86. 86.

    grandpa john

    May 28, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    @David Koch: I’m quite sure they are aware of this, maybe they are waiting until closer to election time when more people are conscious of the fact that there is an election happening and it would make a great debate counterpoint

  87. 87.

    grandpa john

    May 28, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    @Corpus Christy: So who is attacking Bain? The attack is against Romney for distorting his work at Bain into accomplishing something athat he didn’t in other words the Usual lying Mitt. If you deleted the lies from his campaign speeches you would have nothing left but a few articles a,an,and, the.

  88. 88.

    Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)

    May 28, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    @Carolinus: I am intrigued and would like to subscribe to your…user manual.

  89. 89.

    grandpa john

    May 28, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    @Elie: By now you would think that people would have realized that the Obama team really does know what they are doing and know how the game is played

  90. 90.

    amk

    May 28, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    @JD Rhoades: Bingo.

  91. 91.

    rikyrah

    May 28, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    @Hill Dweller:

    They are primarily trying to destroy the notion that private sector experience makes a person uniquely qualified to be President because the Romney campaign is built entirely on on that claim.

    amen

    amen
    amen

    It’s WILLARD who has run away from his time as Governor – pretending that it didn’t even happen.

    I have no doubt that the President and his team will get onto his RECORD as Governor of Massachusetts, complete with ‘ what the hell is Willard hiding’ meme – about those ‘ bought’ hard drives, that will dovetail right back into ‘what the hell is Willard hiding’ in the not released tax returns.

  92. 92.

    Mnemosyne

    May 28, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Yep. And since we’re still a good 5 months out from the actual election, the smart strategy is to first destroy Mitt’s default defense (his time at Bain Capital) and then, when he has to retreat to his time as governor, pull the foundations out from under that one as well.

    Since Obama always refers to Mitt as “Governor Romney,” I’m not sure where this idea is coming from that Obama isn’t going to pursue that line of attack or is dodging away from it. Strategy — the Obama campaign haz it.

  93. 93.

    Nellcote

    May 28, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    My cspan choices this morning was Matt(?) Lewis of Daily Caller on cspan1 or 3hrs(!) of Mark Steyn on cspan2. I want my cspan back!

  94. 94.

    Mnemosyne

    May 28, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    @Nellcote:

    They must have been making up for the long Neil DeGrasse Tyson lecture they showed yesterday. I came home from running errands and G was watching it.

    (Though I’m never sure if “Book TV” is its own channel here or if it just runs on CSPAN, so it may actually have been Book TV.)

  95. 95.

    Sammy

    May 28, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Hints of Racism as the Mainstream Media Questions Obama’s Aggressiveness

    http://www.politicususa.com/racism-media-obama-aggressiveness.html via @politicususa

    Oh, the scary bla man. None of the pathetic excuses for journalist had a problem with using the public airwaves to allow every right-winger and their grandmother call the President everything but a child of God. Now they have problems because the President is callin out their buddy for throwing people out of jobs to line his foreign bank accounts to the tune of millions of dollars?

  96. 96.

    Sammy

    May 28, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    Strontium, try again.

    EPIC FAIL on this one.

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