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Via Paul Constant at Seattle’s Stranger, who adds:
… [F]rankly, I’m a little surprised to hear Obama suporters suddenly worried that Romney has a chance to win the White House. Romney has always had a good chance to win the White House this November. The only thing that matters this year is how many people come out to vote. With Republicans spending 1.8 billion dollars to shit in the pool, it’s going to be a difficult job to find people who still care enough to vote.
Also via Mr. Constant, Willard Romney has one less former challenger to worry about placating. This is good news for John McCain Rick Santorum, I guess…
What else is on the agenda for (what’s left of) the evening?
Baud
Isn’t that the only thing that matters every election year?
Matt McIrvin
I figured we’d just gone from thinking Romney had a chance to thinking he’s already won.
PeakVT
With Republicans spending 1.8 billion dollars to shit in the pool
I hope they spend a lot more and generate a backlash. Plus assholes and their money should be separated.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: According to taco the only thing that matters is UNLIMITED CORPORATE CASH FOR VICTORY!, so that can’t be right.
MikeJ
Romney is in town for a fundraiser. Local news talked to a dem here, who after showing the polls for how Romney is doing in Washington state, suggested that Romney spend the next six months here trying to convince us.
lamh35
Evening BJ. Right now, I’m watching “Burlesque” with Christina Augilera and Cher. Ok, I’m going to admit that I really like this movie. Whenever it comes on tv, I watch it if I can even though I own it on DVD…LOL! Tunes are catchy, dancing is cool and any movie with Stanley Tuicci in it is ok in my book. I love me some Stanley Tucci.
Enjoy ur night and let’s GOTV tomorrow Wisconsin.
Yutsano
@Omnes Omnibus: All about the Benjamins baby. Just like it was for Senator Fiorina and Governor Whitman!
@MikeJ: Huh. And I’m on the other side missing all the fun!
@Baud:
There’s a reason I don’t patronize it much.
Baud
I had never been to the Stranger website before — they’re comment section is just as lousy as just about every other blog except this one.
@Omnes Omnibus: We should have the right to sell our vote to the rich…it’s the only way to stop Republicans from enacting voter suppression laws.
Omnes Omnibus
@lamh35: I saw that movie. My ex loved it. I didn’t actively hate it which actually says a lot in its favor as it is not my kind of movie at all.
Baud
@Yutsano: You just blew my mind with that link responding to my downthread comment. It was like I stepped into a rupture in the space-time continuum.
The Dangerman
@Yutsano:
I’m so glad tomorrow is election day and the anti-29 adds will finally end (whoever Big Tobacco contracted with to do their commercials should send the check back or give a massive rebate; it’s transparently bullshit and 29 should coast to victory).
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: Like corporate proxies? Interesting, yet stunningly illegal, idea.
Yutsano
@Baud: I am tricksy like the hobbitses. :)
@The Dangerman: When does the single payer initiative come up for the vote? I heard tell it was being worked on.
PeakVT
@Baud: His point (I think) is that the flood of negative ads will drive away a lot of swing voters, and that turnout of each party’s base will matter more. I’m sure there will be a few who will stick their head in the sand, but plenty of currently persuadable voters will still turn out.
Omnes Omnibus
@Yutsano: What does it have in its pocketses?
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
No worries. I know 5 people on the Supreme Court who will take care of that for you.
jl
“which, as the Vice President said, is a big, uhmm, deal”
What? They are using the most obscene BidenGaffe of all time, to lure our precious youth into their vile clutches? Democrats are depraved.
Srsly, the video was mostly convincing, and a nice low key pep talk.
Only thing is, yeah, Obama is ahead of where he was last election, and that organizing (and the worst financial panic since the Great Depression blew up in the opposition’s face, causing the other candidate to reveal himself as an incompetent confused and ineffectual empty suit) sure paid off.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: Kennedy is but mad north-north-west. When the wind is southerly, he knows a hawk from a handsaw.
gaz
Mixtec wrangling. I’ve got a ton of them in my home – most of them I don’t know – or have seen once or twice, not the roomies, and I don’t yet speak the language. I’m desperately looking for my wife, since she does and it seems like maybe they were expecting her to be here… awkward, to say the least.
This is one of those things that isn’t covered in a standard etiquette manual, I’m sure. =) At least they seem entertained. I just smile and look stupid, which as I understand things, apparently makes me look adorable to them. What can you do? hehehe
Both Sides Do It
I ain’t judging but the guy in the video looks like The Mystery Man from Lost Highway.
Valdivia
@Matt McIrvin:
I thought we went from Romney already won to it is better that Romney wins because that way Republicans wont destroy the economy (I am looking at you Ezra Klein and TPM)
JGabriel
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Paul Constant:
I still don’t think Romney can win this one.
Maybe I’m naive, or too left-biased to perceive reality correctly, but … when we talk about Mitt Romney, we’re talking about a man who lost the 2008 primary to John McCain.
Granted, there’s a lot of money, a shit-megaton of money, backing Romney. It’s not going to be a cakewalk, we can’t rest on our laurels, etc.
And yet, Romney is a deeply weird, uncharismatic, creepy, robotic candidate. Romney exists in his own, personal, Uncanny Valley. Romney cannot win on his own merits or personality; his only chance will be trying to make more than half the country hate Obama and select Romney as the
defaultonly viable alternative.And even with all that money, I just don’t think Romney’s campaign can push the Obama hate over 50%.
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jl
To be optimistic, I do not think Obama has a pretty good chance. Better than last time is probably good enough if the GOTV is good, and economy in the swing states holds up.
The GOP gigagoogle money dump has to get around the fact that Romney is so irritating. Much more so than Whitman, and she carpet bombed California with ads 24/7. Did no good, even though for awhile I wondered how many people were aware that some ex weirdo moon beam governor named Jerry Brown was running for the office too.
Omnes Omnibus
@gaz: Speak English slowly and in a very loud voice. I am told this is quite effective as a communication technique. Of course, what exactly it is that one communicates is open to question.
gaz
@Omnes Omnibus: LOL. Actually, if some of them bring their kids, I’d be in better shape, as they all speak English and Mixtec. There’s a toddly person here though, and while he’s cute, he’s not in a position to help =)
ETA: Thank god. Serapia just showed up. Her I know. We can’t talk but she can handle this. Praise the lord. =)
asiangrrlMN
I lost a bet on the Republican primary (I took ‘anyone but Romney’), so I’ll leave the endless speculating to everyone else. I have a back-up plan that involves Canada and a fake-husband, anyway, so what do I care?
@Omnes Omnibus: Gigglesnort. You’re on a roll tonight, OO.
J.W. Hamner
Remember when Matt Taibbi wondered whether this is “the Most Boring Election Ever?” Good times. Glad to see that at least some people are getting a clue that this will be a knife fight.
Baud
People who panic suck (including me, when I do it).
Omnes Omnibus
@asiangrrlMN: Canada would be the next place bombed after Iran, France, North Korea, and Belgium.
Valdivia
Apropos of people prematurely throwing in the towel—What the fuck is up with TPM are they Romney’s spokespeople or what?
I just can’t believe all of a sudden Romney is already crowned our moderate President.
WaterGirl
Seeing a video of David Plouffe would be more calming than this video of Jim Messina.
I might be in small panic, but a sweet black kitty just sat down in my lap, so maybe things will be okay after all.
Edit: kitty just left. I am doomed.
gaz
@asiangrrlMN: I’m heading to Mexico, but I feel ya.
WaterGirl
@Baud: I am worried enough that I went to Al Giordano’s site, hoping that maybe he would finally be back to reporting the united states. No luck, the latest post is still from february.
Al is always good about providing perspective. When he posts, that is.
Suffern ACE
@gaz: I thought she was hiring Colombians? Did she think that we were actually giving her that $100m?
gaz
@WaterGirl: My usual lap monster (black) has been sleeping on a pile of clean sheets (white), all day, so no comfort is to be had. However, I’m not in a panic over Rmoney, I basically agree with JGabriel and up until a few minutes ago I had much more immediate things to panic about =)
gaz
@Suffern ACE: She daydreams a lot. =)
Yutsano
@Valdivia: In the Village, one must never bun bridges, lest they not get invited to Sally Quinn’s soirees. And we know how disastrous THAT would be.
Valdivia
@WaterGirl:
Yep Al was always good about getting us chicken littles not to panic. When I see the bs that is being spouted by the Village (Romney is his own Karl Rove as per Politico this am) I have to trust that the O team is keeping their eye on what matters now. Like last time. They don’t give a shit about the Village and this is why they hate him.
@Yutsano: gah. It is going to be interminable til November no?
texascowgirl
@Valdivia: You’d think the story would be how arrogant Rmoney is to be putting together a transition team already, but then again he’s a rich white man so I guess it isn’t arrogant if you and everybody else thinks it’s your due.
I suppose I should resign myself to our Negro President experiment being over just like the MSM keeps telling me.
Sigh.
Baud
@WaterGirl: Polls before September DO NOT MATTER. Between now and election day, there will be times when Romney is clearly ahead, and other times when Obama will look to be cruising. Absolutely no one who is going to decide this election is thinking about it at all right now.
Valdivia
@texascowgirl:
I am not throwing in the towel. We have to prove these assholes–even the progressives who seem so eager to give up already and hand over the country to King Romney–wrong.
Let’s kick their ass with hard work until the election. Let them win the day with stunts and lose the election.
WaterGirl
@Valdivia: I agree with your comments about Obama and the village.
What threw me in the direction of panic was seeing how much Romney’s favorables have gone up.
That throws me back to the reelection of Ronald Reagan, when I had been certain that people could not possibly be stupid enough to elect him again. But they did. I will never forget returning from a night out on the town, only to learn that Reagan had won. I sank down to the floor in despair.
The other thing that threw me this week is seeing how the republicans are trying to rig the election, on many, many fronts.
In a fair fight, Obama wins. When the Republicans lie, cheat and steal at every turn, I am not so confident.
Edit: oh, and I never read the comments on any site except for here, booman, steve benen, and political animal. But today there was some post on politico 44 and i noticed 5 comments, and i thought I’d just read the comments. I think #4 was: “when obama shits in his pants, does he think he’s melting?” Un-fucking-believable!
danielx
Ooh! I got a front page at the TBogg arena, which is good for unlimited vituperation from folks who think Obama is just the same as George W. Bush, if not worse. No – undoubtedly worse. According to them – or one of them anyway – I am a fucking moron, a heinously ignorant clown, and a stupid stupid stupid person. I could have sworn I was reading commentary from Free Republic. It was brilliant.
My work is done.
Keith G
@JGabriel:
Romney’s campaign doesn’t have to. They just have to stoke the fires of dissatisfaction and count on a stalled economy to do the rest.
Now maybe the economy won’t stall (or stronger growth will show up), but there are no givens and most Americans do grade Obama rather harshly on his economic leadership.
I wish this weren’t the case, but it is. I just hope things stay ok in enough swing states.
Mr Stagger Lee
Sad news sportsfans Mr Trololo, Eduard Khil passed away. RIP Mr Khil, you did give us some happy moments, especially on those Hitler Downfall Parodies at YouTube.
kay
@Valdivia:
I think it’s that they (political pundits) reset when the primary is over.
They start over, so in that sense Romney is now The Candidate, so gets a clean slate.
In other news, I walked a parade w/ our statehouse candidate Saturday. Small town, maybe 1000 people. It was generally friendly, and it’s probably 60/ 40 GOP.
We were teasing the county clerk, whom I know slightly ( our daughters went to high school together) about how there was no Romney presence at all. Not a sign, nothing. She’s a big Republican, and she laughed but said nothing at all in response. She’s not a wingnut, though.
All their local electeds and candidates were there, but no Romney person or persons.
WaterGirl
@Baud: Completely agree re: polls about who’s up and who’s down at any given point. Polls don’t usually get to me. It’s just seeing Romney’s favorables improve that dashes my hopes about the intelligence of voters in this country.
But you’re right. Polls don’t matter. Polls don’t matter. Polls don’t matter.
It’s probably the uncertainty getting to me – Wisconsin tomorrow and the supreme court (soon) on Obamacare.
Hill Dweller
@WaterGirl: Romney’s favorables went up because no one was calling him on his bullshit.
Maddow had a segment tonight happily reporting that a lot of media called Willard on his blatant lie about the Solyndra loan last week.
Mann and Ornstein are going to be on the Daily Show tonight, after being on Up w/ Chris Hayes over the weekend. Hopefully their book will finally get some run in the press.
If the media is even semi-fair, Romney is going to have problems.
Valdivia
J@WaterGirl:
I’m with you. Right now Romney seems to people like a generic Republican candidate. Wait until he’s on tv 24/7 and his numbers will go down. Also the Reagan analogy is flawed only because they would be electing Romney for the first time. He has a high bar to break and Im almost sure he won’t.
Keep calm. We can freak out later :)
Jim, Foolish Literalist
That’s been my take for a while. He was the only one in that goonshow primary who wouldn’t scare the Totebaggers. I’m only surprised he hasn’t stepped on his own tongue, or at least he’s gotten away with it when he has (gee, I wonder why) for so long.
I think an even bigger advantage than money is the media. I never would’ve thought they could get worse than they were as they danced us into the Iraq War, but I think they have. Watching Romney campaign with Trump, while Obama gets scolded for negative campaigning and celebrity fund-raising, is as weak as anything we’ve seen. It hasn’t killed anybody like it did in the Bush years. But it probably will if Romney gets in.
Valdivia
@kay:
I just don’t get that. Even TPM resets? Really?
I love your story though. They really seem to think they can win this from the air. Good luck with that!
A question in general—isn’t it weird Romney’s headquarters are in Mass a state he won’t win?
WaterGirl
@gaz: If things are better now, I guess your wife must have gotten home!
Yutsano
@Valdivia: And isn’t it funny how they ignore the fact that he’s getting his ass handed to him in his home state (pick one: he’s claimed three so far!) and not a peep in the media about it? If Obama were losing Illinois or Hawai’i the screams would be deafening from the Villager whores.
Hill Dweller
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Steve Benen(Maddow’s blog) had a study saying Obama’s ads are 70% positive, while Romney’s are 30% positive, but the media are going after Obama for negative ads.
Valdivia
@Yutsano:
I know. They’re useless. The lot of them. I hope someone starts yelling liar at Romney on a constant basis. An obot girl can dream no?
gaz
@WaterGirl: No but Serapia is here. She’s like the indigenous poster woman for that “CHILL THE FUCK OUT, I GOT THIS” meme.
The woman is more together than nearly anybody I know. Just an example – although she’s illiterate she can produce documentation including tax returns, her children’s birth records, et al, on demand. I have no idea how she does this. She’s just that fucking competent. If she knew how to read, she’d rule the fucking universe.
ETA: She’s the one that taught my wife Mixtec. And no, she doesn’t speak any other language – nor has she ever been to school of any kind. Again, I don’t know how she pulls it off.
Matt McIrvin
@Valdivia: Yeah, I already went through that phase myself: maybe we just need to elect more Republicans so they’ll stop wrecking the economy. The thing is, appeasing terrorists generally isn’t a good idea. Odd that Marshall and Klein seem to just be getting around to this notion.
Spaghetti Lee
I admit I was seized with an existential Terror a few nights ago-oh God what if he wins? What if they all win? What if I wake up after election day and the country is completely controlled by Republicans. I’m a bit over it now. Some good news in Wisconsin would do a lot to improve my mood.
I think part of it is this: During the Republican primary, the amount of bedshitting done by Romney in a few short months was almost spectacular. He could do no right-he was at 27% favorability at one point. There was no where to go but up. Dead cat bounce, regression to the mean-call it what you like. Either way, I think that logically, there’s no point interpreting this is a permanent trend, and there’s no rule that says it’s going to be that way in November.
eemom
People who aren’t fucking idiots tune out emmessemm noise, monitor swing state polls, and treat themselves to an occasional glance at the calendar. I suspect that’s what Obama’s doing. YMMV.
Spaghetti Lee
Also, in defense of Josh Marshall, he wasn’t saying he thought that, he was just reporting what Klein and David Frum have been saying. Maybe that’s a distinction without a difference to some of you, but I do think I should point it out.
Mr Stagger Lee
@Hill Dweller: I guess my fantasy would be if President Obama wins, he would invoke the Sherman Anti-trust act to break up the mega-media corporations.
Valdivia
@Matt McIrvin:
I too find it so utterly bizarre. Its going to be an exhausting election with the constant bs from the Village and the not-so-helpful experts who comment from our side. Sigh.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@eemom: Obama certainly ignores the MSM, thank god. From sticking with the the Bain criticism to, back in ’08, when he ignored McCain’s “campaign suspension” and carried on. Gore, Kerry, Clinton I think would’ve followed McCain’s lead.
Anoniminous
The GOP GOTV machine is old, tired, and leaking oil from a blown head gasket. Karl “I’ve Got the Arithmetic” Rove is a has-been.
The Obama campaign is about to unleash a 500 gallon can of WhumpAss on the GOP. And all a person has to do to see it is:
1. Get Off Thine Ass
2. Go to the nearest Obama field office (the damn things are everywhere)
3. Volunteer
And you’ll soon see what I’m talking about.
MikeJ
@Valdivia:
Obama is doomed unless he listens to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
handy
I know hockey hasn’t been any kind of topic of discussion since
Cole’s Penguins got bouncedthe season ended, but my god these Kings are amazing. One more win and not only does an 8th seed win the cup but they go 16-2. Incredible.Valdivia
@MikeJ:
Yes exactly! Ugh. So glad he and his team never do. :)
eemom
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Thank God indeed.
Exceptional man, our President. I mean when you consider that even the political geniuses blogging here occasionally succumb to the bullshit CW du jour….
Yutsano
@handy: It makes me wonder though: do they watch hockey in LA? Or is the fanbase all expat Canucks?
WaterGirl
@MikeJ: You made me laugh! I think I’ll call it a day.
everyone else: Thanks for all the perspective. I try not to post when I’m discouraged but I guess I wasn’t too successful at that tonight.
Edit: Mike’s comment reminded me of this: youtube.com/watch?v=lf3BNRF9ICc
Suffern ACE
@Valdivia:
h/t the baseline scenario
You kind of got to ask Ezra, if Romney is going to be a better Keynesian than Obama, where he gets the idea that they understand Keynsian economics at all.
handy
@Yutsano:
The amount of Kings fans in LA would probably just fill the arena, but they are probably the most passionate of any sports fans in the city, not just for their team but for hockey in general.
Yutsano
@WaterGirl: He’s a funny dude. He’s had me rolling a few times at the meet-ups we’ve had.
piratedan
well msn.com is already setting the narrative… top three political stories… potential loss of union power… dems base is fleeing Obama and Dems hoping to stave off disappointment in Wisc recall. So the work continues as the 4th estate puts their collective thumbs on the scales.
Yutsano
@Suffern ACE: Uhh…what? What the hell was the question?
Valdivia
@Suffern ACE:
Please tell me that’s not a real quote! Parody right?
freelancer
@danielx:
That was a fucking solid comment, btw.
WaterGirl
@freelancer: I keep trying to catch you to say thank you for the grill recommendation (to someone else) during easter weekend. I got the grill you recommended – Weber Q 320 – and it’s been amazing.
(That was your recommendation, wasn’t it?)
WaterGirl
@Valdivia: Lindsey Graham. Seriously.
Yutsano
@Valdivia: Oh Lawd. It’s real all right. From the lips of Grandpa Walnuts’ favourite Fruit Loop no less. Shut up Lyndsey. We know men in uniform give you a woody. Plenty would still be around if we cut the defence budget LIKE YOU FUCKING PROMISED TO!!
AliceBlue
@WaterGirl:
Ya, everyone seems to be getting on the “stick-a-fork-in-Obama-he’s-done” bandwagon. You’d think they would have learned by now not to underestimate him.
freelancer
@WaterGirl:
Suzanne was asking me about grill ideas for her husband, and yeah I recommended the Weber Q Series because when I was grill hunting, that was at the top of my wishlist. Glad you like it!
Suffern ACE
@Yutsano: Well, if we raise that retirement age to 80, to take the burden off the young, there will be pretty much no where for those young to go but into the army.
WaterGirl
@freelancer: I really love it! I have made pork tenderloin, a big ham, 3 kinds of steak, and whole chicken and they all came out perfectly.
My best friend looks down his nose at gas grills, but now even he wants one just like mine. My brother-in-law wants one, too. Apparently, you should buy stock in weber before you make a recommendation like that. :-)
And thanks to all who helped me figure out how the heck to cook a whole chicken on the grill. It was amazing.
mclaren
More concern trolling from the Obama powermongers. Because it matters so much whether we have a nice mafia boss or a nasty mafia boss running America.
Get a clue, people: if the guy running America acts like a mafia boss and ignores the rule of law, it doesn’t matter a shit whether he’s a nice guy or not.
WaterGirl
@AliceBlue: I don’t underestimate Obama, I was just overwhelmed by all the evidence that this will not be a fair election. I think the rat bastards in the media (tools of the republicans) are trying to depress turnout in wisconsin.
I hope it backfires and that all the folks they are trying to discourage in wisconsin get mad instead and get out to vote.
eemom
@freelancer:
I’m guessing that’s a gas grill. Doesn’t anyone use charcoal grills anymore? Isn’t there anyone who prefers them?
You see, I want to get in on the grill thing, especially now that it’s summer and I’ve actually cleaned off the table on the back porch and put the umbrella up so it looks all nice and inviting.
But I have a weird resistance to gas when it comes to grills. Old fashioned I guess — which is only right since I’m about to turn 100.
Yutsano
@mclaren: Yes yes we all know we’re not as pure and saintly as you are and we’re not writing in Elizabeth Warren this November. And when she’s installed as the junior Senator from Massachusetts (you know, the job she’s RUNNING FOR!) don’t come around here bitching at us when Obama wins. None of us could ever be as good and just as you after all.
Dee Loralei
@lamh35: Did you ever watch The Big Night? With Tucci and and Tony Shaloub? I love that movie, even without the happy silly ending. When I was a chef, I totally related to Shaloub as Primo. In real life, I’m more a Secundo,Tucci person, LOL. Personally, I’m more go along/get along type. But with food, I’m more a “what the fuck do you mean you want pasta with your Risotto? Two starches? No wonder you have diabetes!” Tucci either wrote it, or directed it. If you haven’t seen it, put it on your NetFlix queue. It was a sweet movie. But the heroes did lose.
WaterGirl
@eemom: I always preferred charcoal grills, too, it’s just that I never used mine. Took too long, too much trouble unless I had company…
Now, 10 minutes to heat the grill and 7-10 minutes to cook a steak, I can have a nice meal in 20 minutes, even if it’s just me.
I have already used this grill more since Easter weekend than I used my charcoal weber in the past 5 years.
@Yutsano: And now you made me laugh, too!
Yutsano
@Dee Loralei: Tucci is a mensch. I saw a special with him that showed him interacting with his family and neighbours back in Brooklyn and he just looked so comfortable and happy. And I have yet to see him do a bad role.
mclaren
@JGabriel:
Wake up. It doesn’t matter damn-all whether Romney wins. If he does, he’ll enact the policies Obama would have enacted as president. If Obama wins, he’ll enact the policies Romney would have enacted as president. We’re living in a classic example of inverted totalitarianism.
The entire horse-race mania “Will Romney win? Or is Obama ahead?” is a media sideshow confected in order to distract from the essential and overriding reality that no matter which one wins, America will continue its endless unwinnable foreign wars, America will continue offshoring and outsourcing jobs until the middle class is completely destroyed, America will continue concentrating wealth in the top 1% until we live in a Brazil-style society with most of the population in shanties, America will continue to crush dissent and abandon the rule of law by beating and tasing and LRAD-blasting into deafness and central nervous system collapse any peaceful protesters who dare to exercise their rights under the first amendment, and America will continue to limitless expand its prison-surveillance-terror-police state until a larger proportion of Americans are imprisoned than were thrown into gulags in the Soviet Union under Stalin and more of America’s GDP gets devoted to the military than in the USSR.
Clime Acts
@mclaren:
Truest comment on this blog in ages.
Citizen_X
Oh good, mctiresome is here. Now it’s a party.
danielx
@Suffern ACE:
Dooooooo Jesus, it sounds like something out of a Monty Python routine. Sort of makes you wonder just what we’re supposed to be defending, doesn’t it?
Yutsano
@Citizen_X: With the pedophile sympathizer as back-up. At least Taco is fun to abuse.
Dee Loralei
@Yutsano: I agree. He even brought a humanity to his role in Hunger Games. You cook, you might also like Big Night.
Brachiator
Funniest coda at the end of the info about an update to the Yelp iPad app:
Introducing support for the new country: Amercia.
Also, too agree with other posters here that Big Night is a very warm and enjoyable film about friends, family and, above all, food.
Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason
@eemom: 22″ Weber charcoal grill here. On which I cook mostly burgers and hot dogs. And chicken. Bratwurst. Salmon. And once a summer or so, paella. Rice and all, on the grill in a paellera.
My take is this. If you run out of propane at 5:00 PM on a Sunday, you’re stuck. If you run out of charcoal, run to 7-11 and get more.
eemom
@Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason:
That is an eminently awesome and irrefutable take and I hereby subscribe thereto.
piratedan
@Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason: unless you have a gas hookup (and i am grateful I did so when I was buying to have it installed), then propane don’t apply and all you need is your igniter to work.
Canuckistani Tom
@Yutsano:
Yes
An old joke from north of the border
Q: What’s the third largest Canadian city?
A: Los Angeles
Suffern ACE
@mclaren: So? And then what? Honestly, aren’t you supposed to talk about the inherent contradictions of the internal and external demands of the superpower. Seems inherently unstable to have and endless war and imprison all your people. So what happens next? I mean, you don’t seem to like the middle class that’s being destroyed anyway, so what’s it to you anyway?
mclaren
@Suffern ACE:
Spoken like a true cheerleader of American collapse. Your attitude offers a superb blueprint for American decline and degeneration. Go back to eating your Cheetos and watching Dancing with the stars, you have nothing to contribute here.
Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason
@piratedan:
ka-ching! I appreciate the sentiment, but I don’t want a grill that needs a plumber to hook it up.
Suffern ACE
@mclaren: Or perhaps you have nothing to offer. Christ, at least the right wing nuts offer gold and seeds to get through the collapse. You offer nothing but disdain for everyone else. How about some workers utopia arising out of the ashes of the imperial collapse? Ah, but then the workers probably don’t deserve that either.
The prophet Nostradumbass
mclaren: Obama and Romney are identical.
Anyone who thinks that Romney getting elected is exactly the same as an Obama re-election is either one of the stupidest people alive, or a Republican agent provocateur.
A Humble Lurker
@Clime Acts:
Figures you’d agree with the woman who once accused someone who disagreed with her of jacking off to holocaust footage. Y’all are a match made in the heaven for crazy people.