I’m not going to provide links (google if you care), but a blogger at Balloon Juice and a writer at Seattle PI have pre-emptively declared Darcy to be too extreme to win public office. Too extreme because Darcy has the audacity to suggest that the one out of three women who have had an abortion might have the temerity not to be ashamed of their choice.
Since there was no mention of the word “abortion”, never mind the supposed extremity of Darcy’s positions, in my post on her talk at NRN, I think David’s reading comprehension needs some work. And I don’t know why Joel Connelly at the P-I decided to quote my post in his piece that did mention abortion, but I sure didn’t have anything to do with his decision to make me “a liberal blogger” for a day. That’s an honor about on par with it being your turn to clean up when the dog shits on the rug. Then there’s this:
But if you’re a man who is deeply discomfited by women feeling unashamed over having normal abortions of non-viable fetuses (namely, 99% of all abortions), take your discomfort and go elsewhere with it. Somewhere away from any men and women of honor and courage.
The rest of us will stand with Darcy, refusing to be cowed by bourgeois patriarchal moralism.
It’s a long, circuitous path from my observation that Darcy Burner ain’t all that as a public speaker to this sweet emotion, but I must say it warmed the cockles of my bourgeois, patriarchal heart.
(Thanks to reader BG for sending this in.)
Valdivia
wowza, talk about making up stuff out of whole cloth.
Baud
Stop with the denials, Mistermix. These people can read your secret intents just as well as Obama’s
AliceBlue
Stuff like this is the reason I gave up on Digby quite some time ago.
John Cole
You didn’t say any of that. What on earth is he talking about?
Just Some Fuckhead
I seem to remember that your particular gripe with Darcy wasn’t even as astute as what David is giving you credit for.
Baud
@John Cole:
And thus John sums up the last 4 years of firebaggery.
mistermix
@John Cole: The P-I writer went off on something else Burner said (about abortion) in her piece and quoted me as disapproving of Burner’s political skill. Atkins lumped those two things together.
beltane
I read the post regarding Darcy Burnor at NN, and I don’t recall any objection to her positions on the issues, only concerns that she is not a very good campaigner. Reading stuff like this kind of proves mistermix’s point, does it not?
Egg Berry
Man the barricades!
To arms, citizens,
Form your battalions,
Let’s march, let’s march!
Let an impure blood
Water our furrows!
mistermix
@Just Some Fuckhead: Yet it wasn’t anywhere near as ill-conceived as even one of your better comments, if I can apply that relative term to different consistencies of shit.
amk
Ah, the clueless left.
Just Some Fuckhead
@mistermix: That’s prolly cuz I use powerpoint to write my best stuff.
David Koch
When did mistermix change his name to “A Blogger at Balloon Juice”?
Valdivia
I guess this makes me a self hating woman or some such? Embracing the tyranny of the patriarchy in all the glory of false consciousness?
BGinCHI
I’d suggest a blog war, but I’m too bored by the stupidity of whoever wrote those things about what mistermix said.
It’s just reading comprehension fail followed by assholery with a twist of hysterical hurt feelings.
Xecky Gilchrist
The rest of us will stand with Darcy, refusing to be cowed by bourgeois patriarchal moralism.
This is at least a step up from staying home on Election day to suck one’s thumb and weep over how disappointed they are in Obama.
I think.
ETA – if this weren’t from a well-known Reedy Nasal Whine blog, I’d think it was a Poe.
Ben Cisco
What. The. Fuck?
Reading comprehension, howzit work?
David Koch
That’s a sure fire way to attract voters — smear them and then purge them from the party. Well done.
beltane
@Valdivia: It’s bourgeois patriarchy and don’t you forget it. This must be the firebagger equivalent of Burkean bells or some such.
mistermix
@Just Some Fuckhead: Ha! I was guessing Crayola on a Big Chief Tablet was your technology of choice.
lacp
I hope that last part that was quoted was snark, because otherwise it’s the most flatulently pompous thing I’ve read outside of a wingnut blog.
Baud
@David Koch:
What makes you think that’s their goal?
Xecky Gilchrist
@lacp: I hope that last part that was quoted was snark, because otherwise it’s the most flatulently pompous thing I’ve read outside of a wingnut blog.
Well put! It is pretty typical of PUMAtude, though, but even then I was wondering about its bona fides myself.
Another Halocene Human
OT: Apropos of nothing, I just had the brainwave that that recent revelation about health insurance company spending via the US CoC during the runup to the health care vote means that FIREBAGGERS GOT PWNED.
Recall that major firebagger talking point was that “the corporations are for it, therefore I’m agin’ it”. Well, turns out the healthcos cleverly played both sides to get a better deal for themselves and to save face in case their push to kill the bill failed (as it did).
From the firebagger/emoprog point of view the open lobbying was a false flag operation and the firebaggers danced like marionettes.
Congratulations, firebaggers. Congratulations.
Valdivia
@beltane:
Of course! Making my false consciousness totally bougie. How will I ever live with myself?
gogol's wife
I keep thinking this is about Mr. Darcy from Pride and Prejudice.
amk
@Baud: Exactly. They are beautiful losers, dammit.
darcy is a loser. her (and her fans’) high highfalutin’ ways notwithstanding.
FlipYrWhig
@Ben Cisco: For a bunch of people supposedly resolutely opposed to (not to mention smarter and savvier than) the media filter, the liberal blogosphere demonstrates over and over again a very strong inclination to trust what they read through that very filter, rather than going to the fucking source to check for themselves. It happens all. the. time.
Norbrook
@lacp: Which Digby rather qualifies for these days. They wept, rended their garments, and put on the sackcloth and ashes when Kucinich lost the primary in Ohio. You’d have never guessed reading them that Kucinich had lost a primary to … (gasp!!!) another Democrat. They’ve become an example of the wingnut left.
FlipYrWhig
@gogol’s wife: I suppose both are possessed of a mysterious appeal to otherwise sharp and sensitive women.
J.W. Hamner
I like how the reader’s judgement regarding whether or not Burner’s presentation qualified as “brilliant” is determined by whether they:
a) are “deeply discomfited by women feeling unashamed over having normal abortions of non-viable fetuses”
or
b) are “refusing to be cowed by bourgeois patriarchal moralism.”
With us or against us indeed.
Ben Cisco
@FlipYrWhig: Fascinating.
FlipYrWhig
@lacp: Some blogs are written to sound like Tolkien reading the Declaration of Independence, and others are written to sound like someone who just got an A- in Women’s Studies 102.
Linnaeus
@mistermix:
Joel Connelly lumped those two things together, and Atkins was responding to that. He should have made it clearer that you weren’t saying what Connelly was saying, but Connelly’s attack on Burner is an exercise in false equivalence, and Connelly unfortunately used your post (which was about something else) to bolster his own argument.
FlipYrWhig
BTW, what’s with calling Darcy Burner “Darcy”? Are they personal friends?
4tehlulz
They will turn on her so fast if she gets elected.
piratedan
cmon now, I doubt they even read mistermix’s post to begin with and extrapolating this by attempting to connect the pixels on the PI article alone….. so they’re most likely kneejerking and leapfrogging their way to assumption junction where there’s plenty of faux outrage for the entire family.
karen
@J.W. Hamner:
And the difference between them and the Teapublicans is?
mistermix
@Linnaeus: No, I meant exactly what I wrote. Atkins doesn’t get off the hook because somebody wrote something wrong in a newspaper. That happens all the time. Bloggers are supposed to figure it out. Atkins didn’t.
amk
@piratedan: Yup. They go out way of the way just to get all offended.
Villago Delenda Est
@Egg Berry:
It was better in the original French, but, still, the sentiment is a valid one.
Linnaeus
@mistermix:
I know you meant exactly what you wrote. I agree Atkins should have been more careful and I’m not saying he should be let off the hook. I’m saying that, IMHO, he is justified in responding to Connelly.
FlipYrWhig
@mistermix: Well, if you take the time to figure things out, you might lose your chance to harrumph, and that makes you a rotten egg, or something.
Mnemosyne
@Linnaeus:
Except that Atkins kept both things linked together:
MM didn’t say Burner was too extreme to win — he said she wasn’t a very good public speaker and had trouble connecting with the audience.
I have to assume Atkins didn’t bother checking to see what the B-J post said, because there’s no way short of an extreme head injury that you could go away from MM’s post thinking that Burner’s problem is that she’s too extreme.
Roger Moore
@karen:
The Firebaggers ideal America looks a lot less like a Klan rally, and their policy proposals wouldn’t make it look like Mad Max. I think those are important differences.
Odie Hugh Manatee
Reeding comprehenshun ain’t hiz stronggg soot, dats fer shure.
@John Cole:
Yes he did! You just have to read between the lines, it’s in fine print.
Joseph Nobles
@4tehlulz: Her and Elizabeth Warren both. Oh, the wretched disappointment we are going to hear on that front!
Linnaeus
@Mnemosyne:
I’m not disagreeing with that. That was a mistake on Atkins’ part.
Tim I
David Atkins acted like an arrogant blowhard for several years over at The Great Orange Satan. Not too surprising that he has taken his act somewhere else.
4tehlulz
@karen: Teapublicans win.
David Koch
I nominate “Bourgeois Patriarchal Moralist” as a revolving header.
amk
@karen:
They fucking vote while these nuts take their ball and go home.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@Egg Berry:
Fix’t, you sexist pig!
JPL
@gogol’s wife: Ahh..me too.
Comrade Luke
Jesus Christ. Once and for all:
Darcy Burner may well be a nice person, but she’s incompetent as a politician. I live next to the district where Burner lost – TWICE – to a moron whose only claim to fame was being the Seattle Police Chief when the Green River Killer was caught (so he got all the camera time and way too much of the credit).
She lost to the guy – TWICE. And the result was that she was pulled into the political machine as a consultant, pundit, Kos contributor, whatever. Isn’t this exactly the sort of thing we take Republicans to task for? Wingnut welfare, from the left?
Why should anyone listen to, or take advice from, someone who has done nothing but fail repeatedly at the profession on which they’re now giving advice.
She should have ended that NRN speech with: I’m not a politician, but I stayed as a Holiday Inn once.
Good grief.
Baud
@amk:
Amen!
RossInDetroit
@John Cole: @John Cole:
The fact that he didn’t say it proves that he’s going to. I read that on a ‘winger blog somewhere.
arguingwithsignposts
We are all MisterMix now. Fitting that Atkins posts under the moniker thereisnospoon.
J.W. Hamner
@Linnaeus:
No, his column is not an example of “both sides do it” from what I can tell. He is saying that she is coming across as an extremist (and thus not likely to connect with voters) because of her rhetorical style and poor skills as a politician… which was why he cited mistermix. As far as I can tell the Atkins post didn’t really engage either argument fairly and was basically just an angry call to arms because people dared question Burner’s effectiveness.
Comrade Dread
So my choices are either “Yea! Abortion! Woo-hoo!” or “Chastity belts for all ladyfolks unless the cardinals say otherwise”, I can’t fall somewhere in between and I should leave the Democratic party that I just joined?
That is a rather stupid thing to say. Reminds me of the purges Republicans have been making.
MM
The thing about Darcy Burner’s keynote from the main stage at Netroots Nation is that it wasn’t trying to be a campaign speech. Elizabeth Warren gave what I would call a stump speech. And she was very very good.
Darcy Burner was speaking to 2000 liberal activists and was trying to give them some ideas for their activism. She’s run panels in the past at Netroots on the same type of themes. She’s been working with the Progressive Caucus in Congress on the same themes.
I don’t know how she is as a campaigner. Because there’s a lot of money flowing into her district from the usual suspects to fight her candidacy, it’s hard to tell.
She’s a thinker and a fighter. We need that. There are enough congresscritters who don’t have any particular expertise except the ability to win elections. They find a candidate who looks good and can connect with the voters. And then he does the bidding of the 1%.
We need more people like Darcy Burner in Congress.
JPL
The comments point out that David whoever is full of beans so why doesn’t he update the post?
One thing I appreciate about this site is the mea culpas that the front pagers make if they jumped to conclusions that were not warranted.
Big Wayne
You know, I never watched Burner’s keynote until reading this post, but you made me curious, so I just went and watched it. And I have to say, I couldn’t disagree more with your assessment of the quality of her speech. Not only was the delivery fine, in my opinion, but the point she was making — that the GOP understands the real game (power), while Democrats are stuck discussing policy — is both true and important. We really need to learn how to play this game if we’re going to have *any* chance of saving our democracy — that is, ourselves — from the corporations and billionaires.
beltane
I suspect Rahm Emanuel had a hand in this somehow.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@Comrade Luke:
And on top of that, she lost in the ‘liberal’ half of the state. She wouldn’t have stood a canary’s chance in a West Virginia coal mine if she had run on the ‘right’ side of the state.
Maybe her communication skills attracts people who can’t comprehend what someone else says? ;)
horatius
@karen: The people that the teapublicans elect will set this country back 300 years.
FlipYrWhig
@Odie Hugh Manatee: Or maybe people who already like her and think she’s right about stuff come away from having seen her feeling reaffirmed. But that doesn’t say anything about effectiveness before skeptical, hostile, or ignorant audiences, which is a truer test of political skill.
Cluttered Mind
Everything I’ve heard about Darcy Burner’s actual politics and policies, I like. But that’s not enough, you have to actually be able to get into office too. It wasn’t all that long ago that we were relentlessly mocking the GOP for their absurd purity purges, but now we’re supposed to cheer for Darcy Burner’s third attempt at a campaign because of, and only because of, the purity of her ideas? Someone half as liberal as Darcy Burner but capable of winning an election in that district would be a better asset to the party in November, because at least then it would be one less seat held by the GOP and one step closer to getting Nancy Smash her gavel back.
Linnaeus
@J.W. Hamner:
I don’t agree. This is what stood out to me in Connelly’s column:
I don’t think that’s really a fair reading of the pro-choice movement or Burner’s speech. There’s a qualitative difference between advocating – even strongly – for reproductive choice in the way Burner was doing it, and the extremist anti-choice policies that the right is actually enacting in this country.
horatius
@Big Wayne: There you go again. The commenters on this post are strictly interested in style, not substance.
This is not a bad thing. Our side has been losing mostly because of style, so to focus on it is probably the right thing to do. The substance is already there.
JustBeingPedantic
Oh for fuck’s sake, Darcy Burner was a horrible candidate. She lost to Dave Reichert, who’s about as smart as any one of the smaller rocks that line the shore of the Green River, twice! As a campaigner, Darcy made Martha Coakley look like Bill Clinton at his most Bubbalicious.
amk
Ironic that she should say this at nutroots.
David Koch
@beltane:
/fixed
Dr. Omed
Balloon Juice doesn’t have a category “Ready, fire, aim!”?
amk
OT
goopers’ “latino outreach” bombed .
Baud
@JPL:
Same reason wingnuts can’t admit the earth is millions of years old or that evolution and global warming are real.
Sly
Giving a PowerPoint lecture at NN is not the same as giving a stump speech at a political rally. Content and delivery of the presentations aside, I thought Warren’s keynote was more out of place than Burner’s. If I went to NN, I wouldn’t want to hear a stump speech.
Having said all that, Atkin’s post is the same bizarre nonsense the progosphere has been vomiting up since who the fuck knows how long; confusing style with substance, motivation with strategy, and willpower with effectiveness. And the best part is that he’s demonstrating the very same stupidity that Burner is criticizing.
These people think that everything is reducible to the policy proposal; the politician that holds the ideal policy but can’t articulate it worth a shit or create the kind of political momentum to realize it is far superior to a politician who can actually move legislation that isn’t perfectly ideal. The latter really doesn’t care at all about the underlying issue, they’re just putting us in the veal pen or under the bus or whatever the fuck.
the Conster
Jeebus it’s no wonder I always get this gut wrench tic when I call myself a progressive. I’d like to punch half of my team in the face for being such pathetic earnest Larrys.
J.W. Hamner
@Linnaeus:
His argument isn’t about policy differences however, it’s about rhetorical style, so at most he is declaring an equivalence between the absolutest/combative nature of the way Burner and her opponent talk about abortion to voters. He appears to think this is a losing strategy for Burner. You may disagree, but I don’t see how it qualifies as an “attack” or as “both sides are the same so who cares” especially when he actively wishes Warren were the candidate… since I assume she and Burner have identical positions on abortion.
JPL
@Baud: IMO..An open thread about Mr. Darcy would be nice about now.
also,too…we could argue about what actor is perfect for the role of Darcy.. ahh
amk
@JPL:
Or mark halperinization of american journalism by Pearce would also do.
Keith G
Wow, that guy really did go off after not taking the time to understand the text in question.
Sounds like he is ready to be a featured writer here. Sign him up.
Redshift
@amk: You’d almost think the only reason sites like that exist is so that Republicans can talk to the press and white people about it. Is it a deliberate Potemkin site, or is it that way just because nobody cares enough to maintain it?
Raven
@amk: Pierce
JPL
@amk: Poor Halperin.. More folks probably know who Mr. Darcy is than know who Halperin is.
RD
Yay.
Taylormattd
LOL.
This is do funny on so many levels.
If you want to know how you ended up in that post, you need to ask yourself which bloggers would be talking to that elderly, if well-meaning, reporter Joel Connelly. Joel is a regular at the Seattle drinking liberally meetups at the Montlake Ale House. He is also a long time Darcy pusher, as are the Seattle kossacks. David Atkins is a kossack who used to go by the handle thereisnospoon. Like many kossacks and other left blogosphere celebrities, he is obsessed with Darcy Burner.
It is also supremely ironic that the likes of thereisnospoon would ever dare to imply someone else is sexist. That guy has one of the most vile comments ever hidden at Daily Kos, wherein he opined that date rape wasnt’ real rape, because you know, those girls should go to those boys rooms so drunk.
gogol's wife
@JPL:
Oh boy, you’re opening up that Olivier/Firth/MacFadyen line of discussion . . . we’ve done that a few times around here.
Linnaeus
@J.W. Hamner:
Perhaps the sticking point between me and Connelly (and, I would guess, Atkins) is that I didn’t interpret Burner’s rhetoric as especially absolutist or combative, certainly not more combative than the phrase “war on women” which is used in progressive spaces like this one without controversy. Hell, it was the title of the panel that both Burner and Warren were on. To me, it is a form of false equivalence when Connelly tries to argue that Burner’s rhetoric aimed at making abortion a not-shameful thing and trying to protect the choice that women have had (after long and hard fights) for some years is an “absolutism” that is on par with the rollbacks the right is enacting in this country. Burner wasn’t saying that every woman who was able to should go out and have an abortion, but if the right has its way, no woman will be able to.
lol
The thing with Burner is that she ran and lost in two Democratic wave years in a district that is/was increasingly trending blue.
The depressing thing is that there are two other decently well-known women on the Dem side and I’m not sure either of them would be any better in the general election than Burner… and that’s what the polling indicates so far.
Del Bene has good biography. She also has the baggage of having run and lost before but she did better than Burner in a much much more hostile year. Still, she didn’t make an impression in 2010 and she’s not making one now. That could change at least.
Ruderman at least got elected to the state house once upon a time. She ran for Secretary of State and lost, she ran for Dem State Party Chair and lost. She actually made a go at the 1st district back in 1998 but bailed when Inslee entered the race. She’s got loads of personal baggage and her personality is notoriously … not good. Say what you will about Burner’s campaign skills but no one can say she’s not a good person.
Linnaeus
@Taylormattd:
I’ve met him and I like him and his work most of the time. I don’t agree with the column linked in this post, but that’s not the first time.
lamh35
The Mark Halperinization of American Journalism
By Charles P. Pierce
at 3:40PM
love the actually link “/mark-halperin-sucks”
Mnemosyne
@lol:
I have no doubt that she’s a good person but, from what I’ve seen, she’d be better off as the chief of staff or policy chief for someone who’s better at connecting with the voters than she is. She has great ideas, but she’s not very good at persuading people who don’t already agree with her.
JustBeingPedantic
@lol:
Some numbers to back you up: Darcy Burner’s margin of defeat in 2006 was about 3%; in 2008 it was 6% (in a district where Obama enjoyed a 15% margin of victory over McCain). Suzan DelBene, running in the face of the 2010 Republican landslide, managed to come within 4% of Reichert.
taylormattd
@Linnaeus: You and I have both met him. He is being fed stupid information by folks that frequent those meetups.
Linnaeus
@taylormattd:
Ah. I haven’t been to one of those in a few years, so I’m out of the loop on all that.
taylormattd
@Linnaeus: I haven’t either.
Heliopause
Forgetting the other issues for a moment, Burner’s losses to Reichart were in a district that has never elected a Democrat. The notion that she is a lousy politician is mostly an evidence-free assertion.
Anne Laurie
@Big Wayne:
Gee, thanks.
Give MisterMix credit, he told his readers where to find the speech he was critiquing!
MikeJ
@Heliopause: It’s not very shocking that the stuff east of Bellevue elected a republican rep in the 80s when the district was created. They’ve only had three reps in the history of the district.
When Obama won by 15 it’s not a stretch to think that a good Dem candidate could have won.
Ash Can
@Cluttered Mind:
QFT. It doesn’t matter how terrific her policies are, they don’t do a damned bit of good if she can’t get to where she needs to be to pursue them. Whether it’s a matter of stepping up her campaigning or finding a district whose constituents will elect her, I don’t know, but something clearly has to change in order for her to get elected. I’ll say it again — if she can’t win in her district, she needs to step the hell aside and let someone else take the wheel.
PZ
@lol:
I’d rather have a Congress made up of asshole hacks who can get meaningful legislation through than elect a Choir of Angels who just complain about our messed up political system…
Omnes Omnibus
I don’t know why people are getting so upset about someone over at Digby’s place going off half cocked. I mean, it never happens around here, right?
Metrosexual Black AbeJ
I was there for Burner’s presentation too and it sucked. There was like a minute of that picture of her biting her lip while her house got burned. Stuff like that. It just wasn’t good.
Liz Warren blew the roof off the place, so it’s not like I hate women, true progressives, or whatever.
Roger Moore
@Omnes Omnibus:
Point taken, but your snark needs a bit of tweaking to reach full effectiveness. You have to say that you can see exactly why people around here are so upset because it would never happen around here. It’s really much better without the half twist.
Omnes Omnibus
@Roger Moore: I’ve had a long day and apparently I am not at my best.
Davis X. Machina
Consider that Atkins, Kossack or no, is the rightmost edge of acceptable at Hullaballoo, and is routinely lit up for not being progressive enough, O-botery, and sundry other offenses against the light.
karen
@horatius:
And the people to the far left that stayed home in 2010 and are saying they’ll either stay home or vote for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson or other third party are the reason why the teapublican candidates get into office.
karen
@horatius:
And the people to the far left that stayed home in 2010 and are saying they’ll either stay home or vote for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson or other third party are the reason why the teapublican candidates get into office.
hitchhiker
I live in what used to be WA 08, which is the district where no Democrat has won, ever. Reichert won the first time against a local talk show host named Dave Ross, thanks to a late onslaught of $$$$ from the RNC. The direct mailers came to my house, and they were ugly stuff.
Darcy lost to him twice because this really isn’t a mecca for progressives — it’s a big, messy, district without a center and with far-ranging pockets of this and that. Reichert’s big advantage in every one of his races was a rock solid support from his home town of Auburn, along with the macho Sheriff routine. He’s a mushmouth, but not an offensive type of Republican, and seems to mostly do what he’s told by his leadership and collect his paycheck.
I think he’s keeping the seat warm for a guy named Reagan Dunn, whose mother used to hold it until she left to get married. (She named the boy after that Reagan, yes.) The family has a lot money from their lumber business, and he’s ambitious, good-looking, and currently working his way up the local political food chain. This guy wants bigger things and believes he’s entitled to them. You heard it here first.
Connelly works for a newspaper that only exists online. He used to post columns that called progressives stupid when it was still a tree-based product, most memorably when he explained to us how great a campaigner his old friend John Kerry was. How did that turn out again?
Oh, and Darcy’s right that while a great many women have exercised their constitutional right to privacy and terminated early pregnancies, most of them have been shamed into never saying so. It’s kind of a closet thing, I guess.
Citizen_X
I think this has earned its way into the rotating taglines.
The prophet Nostradumbass
@hitchhiker: Uh, are you unaware that the Post-Intelligencer was a print newspaper for many, many years?
Todd Linder Floman
@hitchhiker
Right on every count. To expand on Joel Connelly, what little sense he ever had has evaporated with age. Half his column space is given to whining about how western Washington liberals don’t bend to the will of the Catholic Church on issues like abortion. He’s got to be the last guy in town to realize that being able to ignore preachers is on of the great perks of being a Seattlite.
lol
@PZ:
If Burner ever managed to get elected, I think she’d be *very* effective legislatively. She’s a wonk.
Ruderman would be a reliable Dem vote in the House whose primary issue is dealing with horrendous staff turnover.
taylormattd
@lol: It kind of drives me nuts that three of the goddamn people we put up (Burner, Ruderman, and Del Bene) have lost a total of like 6 times over the last 15 years or so attempting to get that fucking east side seat from the republicans.
burnspbesq
@MM:
No, it’s not even a tiny bit hard to tell. If she had any ability at all as a campaigner, she’d be a third-term incumbent. Instead, she’s a two-time loser on her way to a third loss.
Whispers
@Baud:
“And thus John sums up the last 4 years of firebaggery.”
At least bother to get your insults correct. Atkins is an Obama apologist.
I mean, if you intend to bring something more to the discussion than name-calling.
Terry Chay
@John Cole: yes but the MisterMixes on the Right did say that. ;-)
xian
@Mnemosyne: maybe he didn’t dare google?