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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Mitt Romney was, again, “not involved in decision-making”

Mitt Romney was, again, “not involved in decision-making”

by Kay|  July 25, 20128:17 am| 111 Comments

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I’m amazed they’re going to get away with this again:

Mitt Romney promised “complete transparency” when he took charge of the scandal-plagued Salt Lake City Olympics, a pledge that included access to his own correspondence and plans for an extensive public archive of documents related to the Games.
But some who worked with Romney describe a close-to-the-vest chief executive unwilling to share so much as a budget with a state board responsible for spending oversight. Archivists now say most key records about the Games’ internal workings were destroyed under the supervision of a staff member shortly after the flame was extinguished at Olympic Cauldron Park, after Romney had returned to Massachusetts.

“Transparency? There was none with [the Salt Lake Organizing Committee] when he was there,” said Kenneth Bullock, a committee member who represented the Utah League of Cities and Towns. “Their transparency became a black hole. It was nonexistent.”

According to Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul, “Mitt Romney resigned from SLOC in early 2002 to run for governor of Massachusetts and was not involved in the decision-making regarding the final disposition of records.”

You know, the truth is no one knows how Mitt Romney managed the Olympics, because they destroyed all the records. Now that it’s become clear that Romney was less than truthful about his role at Bain (despite the claims of the various fact-check franchises that rushed to his rescue before waiting for the facts to come out) I think his claims about the Olympics deserve scrutiny.

Romney and his campaign hacks sound like they’re sitting at a deposition when they’re asked these very simple questions. There’s this insane reliance on specific dates, where Mitt Romney was or was not “actively” running things, or retroactively retired, or whatever.

I’m almost looking forward to the part where we get to Romney’s Massachusetts record, so Andrea Saul can tell us Mitt Romney had left Massachusetts by the time “X” occurred, to begin running for President. She wasn’t laughed out of the room with this Olympic denial, which is virtually identical to the Bain denial. Why stop there? Why not try it for Romneycare? Was Romney “actively governing” at that point? Put the fact-check franchises on it, and see what they come up with. It may be another grey area.

I’m not asking for much here. My hope is the fact check crew can hold off on exonerating Romney and give the Boston journalists a chance to find some facts on Romney’s role in destroying records. They don’t have to DO anything, the fact-checkers.Just wait for someone else to get a chance to do their job.

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  1. 1.

    Rafer Janders

    July 25, 2012 at 8:22 am

    According to Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul, “Mitt Romney resigned from SLOC in early 2002 to run for governor of Massachusetts and was not involved in the decision-making regarding the final disposition of records.”

    Ah, but how do we know he wasn’t making decisions retroactively? What if, when he was governor of Massachusetts in 2005, he used his powers to reach back in time three years — just as he did when head of SLOC in 2002 to resign from Bain in 1999 — and retroactively gave the order to destroy those records?

  2. 2.

    MattF

    July 25, 2012 at 8:24 am

    New Romney slogan: “Who, me?”

  3. 3.

    TS

    July 25, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Mitt was not responsible for Bain, the Olympics nor his Governorship. When he loses his campaign for President he will have retrospectively resigned from campaigning to spend some time with friends in London – and whatever poor soul becomes his running mate will be the reason the race was lost. Maybe he will select Sarah Palin? She cost McCain an election, what’s another old white man between friends.

  4. 4.

    beltane

    July 25, 2012 at 8:26 am

    @Rafer Janders: For all we know, Mitt Romney is retroactively acting as governor of Massachusetts. Physicists say time travel to the past is an impossibility, but Mitt Romney has proven them wrong.

  5. 5.

    Cassidy

    July 25, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Has he ever been involved in any decision making or does he actively skip town every time a hard decision comes up?

  6. 6.

    Cassidy

    July 25, 2012 at 8:28 am

    Rmoney has better time traveling powers than Obama. Now if only he’d do one decent thing with his life and go back and squeeze the testicles on spatula’s sperm donor and keep that shit from happening.

  7. 7.

    MattF

    July 25, 2012 at 8:28 am

    Romney definition of ‘transparency’: “The quality of not appearing to be where you are looking.”

  8. 8.

    amk

    July 25, 2012 at 8:29 am

    As long as the msm hacks are willing to pimp for mittbot, for whatever reasons, he will even get away with the proverbial dead male in the room.

  9. 9.

    amk

    July 25, 2012 at 8:32 am

    @MattF: Tweeting that.

  10. 10.

    Kay

    July 25, 2012 at 8:32 am

    What day did he resign and what day was the decision made to destroy all the records? I insist we have a full Bain replay, where every Republican robotically repeats a date: : March 13, March 13, March 13….”

    Then we’ll have to check and see if he made trips back to Salt Lake City, I suppose, and define “active” versus “passive” again.

  11. 11.

    Rommie

    July 25, 2012 at 8:33 am

    So, he’s running for President to not make decisions then? Why do it?

    >>> sees looong number describing $$$ held in Social Security “lockbox” >>>

    Oh.

  12. 12.

    c u n d gulag

    July 25, 2012 at 8:34 am

    If Mitt were a Democrat, and running the same mendacious campaign, and had covered-up as much of his past dealings as possible – that he had made his fortune gutting companies and selling-off the profitable pieces, off-shoring jobs in the meantime, and keeping his profits as tax-free as possible in foreign banks accounts, and had run an Olympics which Federal tax money helped save, and any records of his involvement in those games have disappeared, is there any doubt that the outcry from Republicans, nationally, would be that he needs to step-aside and let another Democrat run?

    How, after all, can this man be trusted with this great, “exceptional” nation, if we can trust him because he’s hiding everything he possibly can?

    Mitt as a Democrat would be vilified as an unfit candidate for national office.

    And that’s all the more reason to protect him, since he’s a Republican!

  13. 13.

    Kay

    July 25, 2012 at 8:35 am

    It’s eerie, because Andrea Saul sounds like a person testifying at a congressional hearing, and he’s not even President yet. He’s not even the nominee, yet, officially, and he’s parsing words and the whole team are sticking to dates.

  14. 14.

    Chyron HR

    July 25, 2012 at 8:39 am

    If Romney wasn’t in charge at all, who did save the Olympics? I’m going to say it was me. You’re welcome, America!

  15. 15.

    Aimai

    July 25, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Rimney famously had all his minions buy their own computers and hard drives from the state and then destroy them after being governor. This was legal but had never been done before so the laws hadn’t caught up with romneys deep pickets. A few thousand for a used state computer and he destroyed all records of his time in office.

  16. 16.

    Aimai

    July 25, 2012 at 8:42 am

    Rimney famously had all his minions buy their own computers and hard drives from the state and then destroy them after being governor. This was legal but had never been done before so the laws hadn’t caught up with romneys deep pickets. A few thousand for a used state computer and he destroyed all records of his time in office.

  17. 17.

    Downpuppy

    July 25, 2012 at 8:43 am

    One problem with this story is that massive destruction of public records is exactly what he did when leaving the governors office.

    (Curses! Aimai beat me by 2 minutes, while I found a link)

    Even journamalists have a problem with the same stunt twice.

  18. 18.

    dmsilev

    July 25, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Hmmm. Not that I’m going to actually going to check, but I wonder what Mitt’s book about the Olympics has to say about when he gave up control. Of course, that book was written in 2004, so it’s retroactively inaccurate.

  19. 19.

    GregB

    July 25, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Honestly, he’s given you people all you need to know.

  20. 20.

    dmsilev

    July 25, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Also, too, this section of the Rmoney Wikipedia entry (about the 2002 MA-GOV race) is hilarious:

    To overcome the image that had damaged him in the 1994 Senate race – that of a wealthy corporate buyout specialist out of touch with the needs of regular people – a series of “work days” were staged throughout the campaign, in which Romney performed blue-collar jobs such as herding cows and baling hay, unloading a fishing boat, and hauling garbage.[155][157][158] Television ads highlighting the effort, as well as one portraying his family in gushing terms and showing him shirtless,[157] received a poor public response and contributed to his being behind his Democratic opponent, Massachusetts State Treasurer Shannon O’Brien, in polls as late as mid-October.[155][158]

  21. 21.

    rikyrah

    July 25, 2012 at 8:49 am

    when Isolated Incidents

    are neither

    ISOLATED

    nor

    INCIDENTAL

    they form a PATTERN.

    see what the Pattern tells you.

    Accept it.

    And proceed accordingly.

    there is a narrative coming together quite well, IMO.

    A narrative just ripe for political ads.

  22. 22.

    JPL

    July 25, 2012 at 8:56 am

    @rikyrah: That type of ad costs a lot of money. Since journalists refuse to do their job, it’s up to all of us to spread the word.

  23. 23.

    Wag

    July 25, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Of course Romney didn’t perform the action of inking the decision to destroy the Olympic records. He made it clear to his minions what he wanted to have happen and conviently left the building while his hit men pulled the trigger.

    Just like at Bain.

    And just like in MA.

    And just like he hopes to do to America.

  24. 24.

    EconWatcher

    July 25, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Everybody has had a boss like this at one time or another–claiming credit for whatever goes well, and looking for a way to pass the blame when anything goes wrong. He’s setting Obama up for another devastating ad.

  25. 25.

    PeakVT

    July 25, 2012 at 8:58 am

    You need to read to the third page to find this out, but the key bit that there was an agreement made, but it was somewhat vague, and the SLOC exploited it.

    You know what else is somewhat vague? The US oath of office.

  26. 26.

    EconWatcher

    July 25, 2012 at 8:59 am

    @PeakVT:

    “uphold” is a very ambiguous word

  27. 27.

    Culture of Truth

    July 25, 2012 at 9:02 am

    .

  28. 28.

    Legalize

    July 25, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Willard is correct. I saved the Olympics. Retroactively!

  29. 29.

    NonyNony

    July 25, 2012 at 9:05 am

    So let’s see if I have this straight.

    We should elect Mitt Romney on his record as governor of MA. Except that we’re not supposed to look at that because he wasn’t responsible for anything that happened while he was governor of MA.

    Instead we should elect Mitt Romney based on his record as a “job creator” at Bain. Except Bain destroyed a lot of jobs so we should ignore that part. Oh and he left before the really bad stuff that we should also ignore.

    So let’s forget that and elect Mitt Romney because he saved the Olympics. Except that he did it by getting the Federal government to bail him out and “allegedly” ran one of the most corrupt Olympics ever – “allegedly” because no one can prove it was because the records were destroyed after he left which is TOTALLY not his fault because he quit before that happened.

    Do I have that storyline straight? I gotta tell you – if Mitt Romney was a movie presidential candidate that movie would probably get a 0% on RottenTomatoes because nobody would believe that anyone would have the chutzpah to try to run for President on a record like that.

    And he’s STILL GOING TO GET 45% of the popular vote.

  30. 30.

    El Cid

    July 25, 2012 at 9:08 am

    Can someone ask Romney to do a timeline of when and at what times he was responsible for which decisions for which organizations?

  31. 31.

    Wag

    July 25, 2012 at 9:09 am

    @NonyNony

    If things keep up maybe he’ll only get 27%

  32. 32.

    YellowJournalism

    July 25, 2012 at 9:10 am

    @Wag: That last part sounds like an effective ad to me.

  33. 33.

    danielx

    July 25, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Is there anything in his business and political careers for which Mitt Romney is responsible?

  34. 34.

    Kay

    July 25, 2012 at 9:12 am

    @dmsilev:

    Yay! There’s a book. Clues. My hope is Andrea has to come up with a date again.

    I was thinking about the reason he gave for not releasing his tax returns too, which is another really amazing precedent, if allowed to stand.

    “I will not release documents that my opponent could use against me”. Wow. It’s every politician’s dream come true. Why didn’t anyone else think of that? That’s why he made the big bucks at Bain, I guess.

  35. 35.

    NonyNony

    July 25, 2012 at 9:15 am

    @Wag:

    If things keep up maybe he’ll only get 27%

    McCain got 45% and he had Palin hung around his neck. (Some may argue that Palin was a net plus for McCain – I would argue that the people who saw Sarah Palin as a positive for McCain were the same folks who were going to crawl across broken glass to pull the lever for a tree stump so long as the tree stump was a Republican and made a promise not to raise their taxes).

  36. 36.

    Commenting at Balloon Juice since 1937

    July 25, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Destroyed all the records? That seems to be a pattern with Mittens.

  37. 37.

    rlrr

    July 25, 2012 at 9:21 am

    It’s not like the President actually has to make decisions…

  38. 38.

    Culture of Truth

    July 25, 2012 at 9:24 am

    “I can’t release these records, I’m running for President for pete’s sake!”

  39. 39.

    MattF

    July 25, 2012 at 9:25 am

    It is possible that Romney is honest. But his actions look dishonest, sound dishonest, smell dishonest, and feel dishonest. Pointing this out may hurt his feelings, but there it is.

  40. 40.

    scav

    July 25, 2012 at 9:25 am

    @El Cid: It’d probably be fractal. “Rombot had masterly control of the presidentially useful decisions that occurred between 9:26 and 10:02 am and retroactively left the room when the mass slaughter of kittens was agreed to at 10:04. A uncaffeinated soft-drink spill unfortunately destroyed that exact page of the minutes. But, at 10:07 he strode back in magnificently and broad-shouldered a bi-partisan consensus that they would break for lunch early at 11:45. No one really knows what happened at the end-stae of the 12-course lunch that day, although footage of Rombott with several grandchildren at a gated-community polo game can be found on you-tube and fragments of a check seemingly cut by the govt. to cover the costs of the meal were spotted by alert, if ignored, researchers. Partisan and ungrateful members of the nameless non-class that offered refreshment at said noontime event have been heard to mutter about the lack of a ‘tip’, a sozializt and coercive practice of mooching off one’s betters.”

  41. 41.

    grandpa john

    July 25, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Hey! j ust what the country needs, a president who doesn’t involve himself in decision making. if you never make any decisions then you can never fuckup. perfect CYA for the big cheese,,that what the underlings are for to take the blame for fuckups

  42. 42.

    Culture of Truth

    July 25, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Q: What do Mitt Romney and Michael Phelps have in common?

    A: Both destroyed a lot of records.

  43. 43.

    NonyNony

    July 25, 2012 at 9:27 am

    @Commenting at Balloon Juice since 1937:

    Destroyed all the records? That seems to be a pattern with Mittens.

    Romney just keeps lining up the ammunition for campaign ads against him. I guess he’s figuring that UNLIMITED SUPERPAC MONEY will let him buy up all the ad time between the conventions and election day so that those ads don’t get a chance to run or something.

  44. 44.

    dead existentialist

    July 25, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Fuck it. I’m voting for VICTORY! When Obambi is replaced with Mitt, Iraq and Afghanistan will NOT be history! The Rbot3000 will erase those horrible years and replace them with . . . REAGAN!!

    (I’m going back to bed.)

  45. 45.

    FlipYrWhig

    July 25, 2012 at 9:33 am

    This really is amazing, how there’s always someone else primarily at fault when anything in Mitt Romney’s life goes awry. He does realize that people in executive positions in the financial sector are always several degrees removed from the activities they sign off on funding, yes? I just can’t get over how his campaign is simultaneously based on how business people do everything for themselves AND that someone else in the organization is always responsible for the bad stuff.

  46. 46.

    The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik

    July 25, 2012 at 9:41 am

    And yet Americans 2-to-1 still think Romney’s got such excellent business acumen that he’d brilliantly steer our economy right if he were elected.

    Of course he’s going to get away with it Kay, because the (R) by his name means he doesn’t have to be accountable for jack shit in this country.

  47. 47.

    Ash Can

    July 25, 2012 at 9:42 am

    @ Kay:

    I’m amazed they’re going to get away with this again

    I’m not so sure they got away with it the first time. The story of the SEC documents showing Romney staying at Bain longer than he claimed got pretty good coverage, to the point that Bain is no longer the asset on Romney’s resume that it used to be. If contradictory evidence turns up again — and in light of the fact that it’s already happened once, I imagine more reporters will be digging for info this time, hoping for a similar scoop — then the 2002 Olympics will cease being an asset as well.

  48. 48.

    p.a.

    July 25, 2012 at 9:42 am

    if mitt says he was not actively involved in running Mass. past a certain date it might be one of his few truthful statements. TPM and utube have documented his many speeches before conservative groups where he insults the people of Mass. even WHILE HE WAS THEIR ELECTED GOVERNOR. Always classy, mitt.

  49. 49.

    Brian R.

    July 25, 2012 at 9:43 am

    In 1999, Romney “left” Bain in such a cloud that no one was sure if he’d really gone for three more years.

    In 2002, Romney destroyed the records of his work on the Olympics when he left.

    In 2006, Romney bought up all the hard drives and the records of his work as governor when he left there too.

    In 2012, Romney won’t even release a full tax return for a single year. He won’t discuss his Swiss bank account or his tax shelters in the Caymans. He won’t reveal the names of his bundlers. He won’t tell us the details of anything he’d do in office either.

    Man, it’s almost like this guy has something to hide.

    It’s amazing that conservatives insist that Obama hasn’t been vetted, but are readily backing a cross of Chauncey Gardener and Kesyer Soze as their presidential candidate.

  50. 50.

    aimai

    July 25, 2012 at 9:43 am

    I exchanged emails with a republican who explained to me patiently that although they “don’t listen to anything that comes out of washington” still, “everyone” had admitted that Romney’s SEC filings indicated he was nothing more than a pro-forma head during those years. How this was distinguished from previous years when he was an active head, she didn’t know or care. We really are battling for a very small number of persuadable people because anyone who habitually votes Republican will just pull the lever for Romney regardless of any information that comes out. They are just too well defended (though I gave it my best shot with this woman and let her have it with the full details.)

    aimai

  51. 51.

    RobNYNY1957

    July 25, 2012 at 9:43 am

    The strangest thing about Romney’s denials of acting as CEO of Bain from 1999-2002 is that no one has stepped forward to assert that he or she was the person acting as CEO during that period. Something that simple would put the matter to rest.

  52. 52.

    Brian R.

    July 25, 2012 at 9:44 am

    @Culture of Truth:

    Q: What do Mitt Romney and Michael Phelps have in common?

    A: Both destroyed a lot of records.

    That’s outstanding.

    You could also add “broke some laws” too.

  53. 53.

    xian

    July 25, 2012 at 9:45 am

    @FlipYrWhig: remember the deal he negotiated with Bain that said if Bain Capital tanked, a cover story (lie) would retroactively absolve him of all responsibility.

  54. 54.

    redoubt

    July 25, 2012 at 9:53 am

    I’m sure this has been mentioned elsewhere, but didn’t the corruption behind the 2002 Olympics get so obvious that IOC president Juan Antonio Samaranch finally stepped down?

  55. 55.

    NonyNony

    July 25, 2012 at 9:56 am

    @RobNYNY1957:

    The strangest thing about Romney’s denials of acting as CEO of Bain from 1999-2002 is that no one has stepped forward to assert that he or she was the person acting as CEO during that period. Something that simple would put the matter to rest.

    IANAL, but my understanding is that this would basically force the SEC to open an investigation into the fraudulent filing of paperwork with the SEC. So long as nobody pushes it, the SEC can sit back and assume that Romney lied on his FEC paperwork and theirs is accurate. The FEC can assume that Romney lied on his SEC paperwork and theirs is accurate and everybody can wait until after the election is over to figure out what to do (so they won’t be accused of interfering in the election process).

    If someone stepped forward and confirmed that the company had filed fraudulent paperwork – paperwork that Romney himself signed off on – someone would have to do something. You can kind of see the corner that Romney put himself in when he decided he wanted to take all the credit and none of the blame for any job he’s ever done in his entire life.

  56. 56.

    Rick Taylor

    July 25, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Again and again I look back and marvel that as bad as Romney keeps repeating himself to be, he was arguably the best of the Republican Presidential candidates running; certainly the best of the ones that had any chance of winning the nomination.

  57. 57.

    Valdivia

    July 25, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Nothing is ever this guy’s responsibility. And he wants to be President?

  58. 58.

    LAC

    July 25, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Does this Mofo have ANY responsibility for ANYTHING he has been a part of since birth? He is what Mattel thinks a president looks like. Complete with a Barbie Time Machine.

  59. 59.

    Yutsano

    July 25, 2012 at 10:00 am

    @Valdivia: He privatizes his successes and socializes his failures. IOW, he’s the ideal 1%er.

  60. 60.

    Villago Delenda Est

    July 25, 2012 at 10:02 am

    The problem for the “fact checkers” is that the facts have a liberal bias. As we all know.

    So if they actually check the facts, and report honestly, the wingtards will scream that they’re “liberals”. Which will hurt the fee fees of the “fact checkers”, who are, after all, creatures of the corporate mentality, which has no use for truth, only has use for profit.

    The facts hate the wingtards, hate the Rethugs, hate the Galtian overlords. The facts, those nasty terrible facts, are stupid things, and are very stubborn things. Stubbornly against the mentally ill mind set of the wingtards. Vehemently in opposition to the fantasy based ideology of the wingtards.

  61. 61.

    Patricia Kayden

    July 25, 2012 at 10:05 am

    “no one knows how Mitt Romney managed the Olympics, because they destroyed all the records.”

    Wow. Is that the norm? Romneybot 2.0 is a creepy dude. Can’t (and don’t want to) imagine what he’ll be like as the President.

  62. 62.

    Villago Delenda Est

    July 25, 2012 at 10:05 am

    @Brian R.:

    It’s amazing that conservatives insist that Obama hasn’t been vetted, but are readily backing a cross of Chauncey Gardener and Kesyer Soze as their presidential candidate.

    Not so amazing when you consider that they’re all intellectually dishonest sacks of shit.

  63. 63.

    jl

    July 25, 2012 at 10:06 am

    @Valdivia:
    @Yutsano:

    It’s SOP. We should work hard to keep him from being elected. But, if a good chance you may lose your morals and get rich enough, you should take notes, for this is how it is done. Romney is taking the MO public. I wonder what the public reaction to the flim flam will be after another 3 months of this.

  64. 64.

    geg6

    July 25, 2012 at 10:08 am

    @Valdivia:

    This is what just astounds me. The guy takes no responsibilty for anything ever. And this is the standard bearer for the party that fashions itself as “the party of responsibility”?

    I swear, we live in The Onion’s world. Nothing is too absurd to be the truth.

  65. 65.

    PeakVT

    July 25, 2012 at 10:08 am

    OT: OnPoint (with Wade Goodwyn, not Asbrook) is doing a whole hour on the voter suppression laws right now.

  66. 66.

    Villago Delenda Est

    July 25, 2012 at 10:09 am

    @Wag:

    Of course Romney didn’t perform the action of inking the decision to destroy the Olympic records. He made it clear to his minions what he wanted to have happen and conviently left the building while his hit men pulled the trigger.

    “Oh, won’t someone rid me of these meddlesome records of all the things I did over the last few years?”

  67. 67.

    rlrr

    July 25, 2012 at 10:09 am

    @Valdivia:

    To be fair, he wants to be a Republican President.

  68. 68.

    Yutsano

    July 25, 2012 at 10:10 am

    @rlrr: They never forgot their real lesson from Nixon: destroy everything.

  69. 69.

    Valdivia

    July 25, 2012 at 10:20 am

    @Yutsano:

    pretty scary when you think this is how he wants to run the country.

  70. 70.

    Valdivia

    July 25, 2012 at 10:23 am

    @geg6:
    @jl:
    I hope there is a way of weaponizing this flaw. Nothing would make me happy that he being brought down by this exactly.

    @rlrr:
    of course! He just seems to be more blatant than any other before.

  71. 71.

    NotMax

    July 25, 2012 at 10:25 am

    @NonyNony

    if Mitt Romney was a movie presidential candidate that movie would probably get a 0% on RottenTomatoes because nobody would believe that anyone would have the chutzpah to try to run for President on a record like that.

    It’s straight-faced farce.

    What didn’t Romney know and when didn’t he know it?

    Any similarities to actual disreputable imbroglio participants, living or dead, are purely coincidental. No greenbacks were harmed in the making of this presentation. This has been an Avaricious Hairsplitting Production.

  72. 72.

    Schlemizel

    July 25, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Willard is the picture of the modern CEO! Responsible for any good results which would never have happened without his steady hand and beautiful mind at the tiller but totally unaware, not involved and not the least bit responsible for any failure, misdeed or screw up within the organization.

    These are our overlords.

  73. 73.

    Yutsano

    July 25, 2012 at 10:25 am

    @Valdivia: The real reason he’s running for President is simple: White Horse Prophecy. Plus his personal chances to enrich himself become just that much greater. He will be a total failure because he just does not possess the diplomatic skills necessary to deal with even a possible hostile Congress, much less the rest of the world.

    Sigh. I can come to Costa Rica with you if Willard wins right? I could make a killing being a tax liaison for American expats. :)

    OT: gay marriage is about to be legalised in Scotland! Will hunt up more details after my professional beating up. :)

  74. 74.

    Shawn in ShowMe

    July 25, 2012 at 10:26 am

    If Romney loses by 20 points in the televised debates our corporate media will feed us Bizarro headlines such as “Mitt calm under pressure” and “Romney exceeds expectations”. Conversely, a lopsided electoral victory by that black guy in the White House means “Obama faces a divided nation.” Can’t wait.

    I’m beginning to come around to George Carlin’s point of view. We all have front row seats to watch the ultimate circus — the unraveling of a civilization. What a bunch of lucky duckies.

  75. 75.

    jl

    July 25, 2012 at 10:35 am

    @Valdivia:

    ” I hope there is a way of weaponizing this flaw. ”

    I think Mitt is doing a pretty good job all by himself. I am more confident now that Obama and Biden will work hard to get it pointed in the right direction.

  76. 76.

    Linda

    July 25, 2012 at 10:40 am

    How are you so sure he’s gonna get away with it? Because he SAID so? Why are progressives so sure we will lose all the time? Buck up! The battleship of convention wisdom is turning. It’s just turning damn slow.

  77. 77.

    Valdivia

    July 25, 2012 at 10:44 am

    @Yutsano:

    I am happy to have you come to CR with me. Though we still way way behind over there in gay rights. But a pretty vibrant gay community.

    I have to confess I am getting to the point I just loathe loath that man. The latest Anglo-Saxon bs has me seeing red.

    @jl:
    lol. self weaponizing. Love that image.

  78. 78.

    pseudonymous in nc

    July 25, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Careful on the Olympic corruption thing: the stuff that got publicised was the bribery involved to win the bidding contest in the mid-90s, and that was long before Rmoney got involved — back then, he was busy doing his day job of flipping companies and stowing the profits in Caribbean tax havens.

    Anyway, Mittens reinvents an old saying: success has just one father, but failure belongs to an entirely different family.

  79. 79.

    g

    July 25, 2012 at 10:52 am

    The idea of the guy who’s hiding his tax returns claiming to be a paragon of transparency is hilarious.

  80. 80.

    slag

    July 25, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Mitt couldn’t have participated in the decision-making here because he was too busy medaling in the lesser known Evasion Olympics. I understand that event did wonders for the Evasion economy.

  81. 81.

    Lurking Canadian

    July 25, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Now I see why they were so worked up over the claim that Mrs. Romney never worked a day in her life.

    It turns out that Mr. Romney has never worked a day in his life, either.

  82. 82.

    Origuy

    July 25, 2012 at 11:06 am

    @Yutsano:

    gay marriage is about to be legalised in Scotland!

    From the BBC:

    Scotland could become the first part of the UK to introduce gay marriage after the SNP government announced plans to make the change.
    __
    Ministers confirmed they would bring forward a bill on the issue, indicating the earliest ceremonies could take place by the start of 2015.

    I know a B&B in Oban that’s for sale. (That’s a stereotype, I know, but it was the first thing that came to mind.)

  83. 83.

    presquevu

    July 25, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Wouldn’t post-9/11 emails be preserved in the all-seeing intelligence-gathering apparatus a former administration set up? Can FOIA requests reveal them?

  84. 84.

    Mnemosyne

    July 25, 2012 at 11:29 am

    @g:

    Well, that’s the fun thing about being a Republican — all you have to do is claim to be something and the entire right wing will gather around you to defend it as the truth.

    It doesn’t matter whether or not you actually are or did what you claim — the fact that you made the claim is proof enough, QED. This is why twice-divorced Newt Gingrich can lecture us all on the sanctity of marriage.

  85. 85.

    TOP123

    July 25, 2012 at 11:36 am

    @Kay: Nixon didn’t have a fully funded 24 hour GOP television channel behind him.

  86. 86.

    Jennifer

    July 25, 2012 at 11:42 am

    There needs to be a new ad about how Romney has never been in charge of any of the organizations he’s touted as proving his “leadership.” It needs to collect and relate all of these claims of “retroactive resignation” and “not involved in decisions about how best to cover up his actions” and so forth, and it needs to end with “if Mitt Romney wins the presidency, who will make the actual decisions? Because all we know from what Romney says about his past is that it won’t be him. If you vote for Romney, you’re voting for a question mark – because someone you didn’t elect will be calling the shots.”

  87. 87.

    maya

    July 25, 2012 at 11:46 am

    @Yutsano:

    Sigh. I can come to Costa Rica with you if Willard wins right? I could make a killing being a tax liaison for American expats. :)

    So: If Rmoney wins yur going to Costa Rica. If Obama wins Rushbo’s going there. You both should over-book the same suite.

    Costa Rica, my heart’s devotion. Let it slink back in the ocean.

  88. 88.

    TOP123

    July 25, 2012 at 11:48 am

    @Jennifer: Perhaps, simply, this:

    montypython.net/scripts/bravesir.php

  89. 89.

    decitect

    July 25, 2012 at 11:58 am

    @Villago Delenda Est: ah… Talking Heads
    “Facts are simple and facts are straight
    Facts are lazy and facts are late
    Facts all come with points of view
    Facts don’t do what I want them to
    Facts just twist the truth around
    Facts are living turned inside out
    Facts are getting the best of them
    Facts are nothing on the face of things
    Facts don’t stain the furniture
    Facts go out and slam the door
    Facts are written all over your face
    Facts continue to change their shape

    I’m still waiting…” (c) Byrne/Eno

  90. 90.

    marian

    July 25, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Macavity, Macavity, there’s no one like Macavity,
    He’s broken every human law, he breaks the law of gravity.
    His powers of levitation would make a fakir stare,
    And when you reach the scene of crime—Macavity’s not there!
    You may seek him in the basement, you may look up in the air—
    But I tell you once and once again, Macavity’s not there!

    …

    Macavity, Macavity, there’s no one like Macavity,
    There never was a Cat of such deceitfulness and suavity.
    He always has an alibi, and one or two to spare:
    At whatever time the deed took place—MACAVITY WASN’T THERE !…

    Macavity the Mystery Cat (T.S. Eliot)

  91. 91.

    gene108

    July 25, 2012 at 11:59 am

    I think the MSM are a bunch of submissives, who enjoy a strong guy to run rough shod all over them.

    I think with Romney’s dodging about tax returns, involvement at Bain Capital post-1999 and now the SLOC, the “writings on the wall” that a Romney administration would make the secretive Bush, Jr. Administration seem like a bunch of chatty Cathy’s by comparison.

    I really wish someone would try to determine how Romney would rule, because I don’t see him being anything but a conduit for pushing the modern day Republican agenda.

  92. 92.

    fuzed

    July 25, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    culpable deniability! movie of Romney at work! youtube.com/watch?v=rxcoe1Y2Ua8

  93. 93.

    Ruckus

    July 25, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    @LAC:
    Mattel has more scruples. Of course my shoes have more scruples than mittens.

  94. 94.

    Maude

    July 25, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    @Ruckus:
    My gloves have more scruples than Mittens.

  95. 95.

    Ruckus

    July 25, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    @Maude:
    I shouldn’t ask but what type of gloves are we talking about? My shoes have more scruples and they will step in dog shit.

  96. 96.

    Valdivia

    July 25, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    @maya:

    sorry maya, you got the wrong country, since we are not an island very little chance of sinking in the ocean
    /pedant about the constant Puerto Rico=Costa Rica meme.

  97. 97.

    NonyNony

    July 25, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    @gene108:

    I think the MSM are a bunch of submissives, who enjoy a strong guy to run rough shod all over them.

    Please – you don’t need to go into too much psychology to understand our current media overlords. Most of our media is controlled by a few large corporations. Those very large corporations are controlled by men who make a lot of money. Those men do not like to pay taxes.

    Those men own television stations and cable networks. These networks employ reporters and talking heads. The talking heads (who fill the bulk of the time in a 24 hour news channel) make six figures a year (at least). Many of the reporters also make six figures a year. These talking heads and reporters do not like to pay taxes.

    Conservatives perceive the media as “liberal” because the talking heads and reporters tend to be well educated, and well educated people in the 20th century tended to be egalitarian. Social conservatism hates egalitarianism with the white hot passion of a thousand firey suns. Therefore the media is full of liberals. Even though to liberals it’s obvious that the media is rigged against economic justice.

    There’s a reason why “Centrism” and it’s halfwit cousin “Libertarianism” are much, much more popular among the chattering classes in the media than they are in real life. And it’s because these philosophies line up with their actual core ideology – social liberalism and economic conservatism. “You mean I can have my low taxes without hating on gay people and getting birth control? Sign me up!”

  98. 98.

    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?

    July 25, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    @danielx: Enriching himself. That’s the most important thing. The rest is just details, and they’ve already given you people all the details you need to know.

  99. 99.

    LanceThruster

    July 25, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    That POS Rmoney makes me recall of this gem of dialogue in the movie “Inherit the Wind.”

    Matthew Harrison Brady: I do not think about things I do not think about.

    Henry Drummond: Do you ever think about things that you do think about?

  100. 100.

    Tonal Crow

    July 25, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Romney: totally in charge and entirely uninvolved.

  101. 101.

    LanceThruster

    July 25, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    @marian:

    This is the World of Commander Mitt Bragg

    Your hair will curl in the World of Mitt Bragg.
    He fights monsters galore
    And then asks for still more
    Or so says the brag of Mitt Bragg.

    When on the hill the marines plant a flag

    They may be led by Commander Mitt Bragg.
    With a cannon in hand
    He can beat any band
    Or so says the brag of Mitt Bragg.

    Fencing and fighting and round table knighting

    And slaying of dragons, too.
    Shipping and sailing and great harpoon whaling
    There’s nothing Mitt Bragg can’t do.
    Hunting and trapping and gold miner mapping
    And flying to Timbuktu.
    Roping and riding and Indian guiding
    Commander Mitt Bragg comes through.

    This is the World of Commander Mitt Bragg

    Your head will whirl in the World of Mitt Bragg.
    He can do anything
    In his world he’s a king
    Or so says the brag of Mitt Bragg.

    source: lyricsondemand.com/…..yrics.html

  102. 102.

    LAC

    July 25, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    @Ruckus: LOL – agreed. At least with a Mattel toy, you would get instructions. With a Mitt doll by Acme, all you would get is the doll and a feeling that it should be placed somewhere high in order to look down on you.

  103. 103.

    sherparick

    July 25, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    @Wag: Unfortunately, the fact that Romney is running an incomptent and mendacious campaign, perhaps one of the most incompetent and mendatcious in history, may not prevent him from winning. Every day the economic news is getting worse and worse and the idiots over in Europe (who share a lot the same views and ideologies that Romney and Ryan have) seem determine to plunge the Continent’s economy into a deep depression, and partly as a result, our economy is slowing with it and may already be entering another recession. The President, and I am afraid because of his mistakes from mid-2009 through mid 2011 not completely inappropriately, will get the blame and Romney will get in because a majority of voters will believe that Obama deserves to be fired to appease the economic gods.

    Since Romney’s campaign has been mendacious and incompetent, we can expect a very mendacious and incompetent Government under Romney. And the Movement Conservatives will probably see this as the opportunity to reverse the Great Society, the New Deal, and the Progressive era in a stroke, and to limit the vote with the hope that no matter how generally unpopular they become, they cannot be voted out of office. A very dark and depressing time.

  104. 104.

    Snarki, child of Loki

    July 25, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    “…leaving a trail of shredded documents, Romney touts ‘transparency’..”

    if only we had a real media

  105. 105.

    ThatLeftTurnInABQ

    July 25, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    @sherparick:

    Since Romney’s campaign has been mendacious and incompetent, we can expect a very mendacious and incompetent Government under Romney.

    __
    What we will get is the Nixon administration, minus Nixon’s (admittedly perverted) sense of US patriotism, and his extensive knowledge of both US domestic politics and world affairs, but this time we will get it with a lapdog media and a compliant Congress. There will be no Watergate. It will be a perfect recipe for corruption, criminality and catastrophe; by way of comparison we will end up missing the halcyon days of the GWB administration.
    __
    The iron rule of modern Republicanism is that each administration is worse than what came before.

  106. 106.

    redoubt

    July 25, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    @LanceThruster: Quite.

  107. 107.

    LanceThruster

    July 25, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    The iron rule of modern Republicanism is that each administration is worse than what came before.

    Terrifying though accurate.

  108. 108.

    LanceThruster

    July 25, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    @redoubt:

    xD – You are a true fan!

  109. 109.

    ruemara

    July 25, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    @Brian R.: Mind if I borrow that quote for an ad?

  110. 110.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    July 25, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    @aimai: Doing it backwards. Demand she explain to you why Romney would make a good president and refuse to accept the “Obummer sucks” stuff from her. It’s easy for someone to shut their ears and not listen.

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