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Keep keep giving

by DougJ|  August 17, 201210:17 am| 151 Comments

This post is in: Bleg, C.R.E.A.M., David Brooks Giving A Seminar At The Aspen Institute

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Just to reiterate what John said last night, every time a pundit says “Chicago politics”, an angel gets his wings.

Goal Thermometer

Establishment media will cluck and say “both sides do it” no matter what, so we may as well actually do it. If the refs are just handing out double technicals, you should get your money’s worth and kick the other guy in the balls as hard as you possibly can.

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  1. 1.

    Comrade Mary

    August 17, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Only $2970 from the target John asked for the other night — not bad, BJers!

  2. 2.

    aretino

    August 17, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Neither GOS or TPM have picked up on this yet, but the Financial Times is bringing the hurt to Romney’s Bain Capital record of illegal union-busting this morning. Great stuff.

    ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/8ee19440-e565-11e1-8ac0-00144feab49a.html#axzz23oUoiejf

  3. 3.

    Comrade Mary

    August 17, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Obama’s campaign has offered Romney a deal: just show us the last 5 years of tax returns. Romney says no.

  4. 4.

    Cargo

    August 17, 2012 at 10:32 am

    I’m actually surprised and delighted to see the Dems actually fighting back this go-around. Remaining ‘above the fray’ worked so well in 2004!

  5. 5.

    Comrade Mary

    August 17, 2012 at 10:32 am

    @aretino: They’re locking non-subscribers out of that link, even when you access through Google News. Business Spectator has it for free.

    The tale of Key Airlines spans the creation of Bain Capital in 1984 – spun out from the Bain & Company management consultancy – and provides a glimpse of its methods and results. Key grew during its Bain years. Sales roughly doubled from 1983 to 1985 and employment more than doubled to about 200 jobs. Bain bought the company on the cheap, rode a turn in the industry cycle and then sold for a remarkable price.
    __
    A start-up pilots union was unlawfully suppressed, according to a federal court ruling. Some other methods foreshadowed the later success of Bain Capital: Key Airlines was an early example of a leveraged buyout. The initial deal was 100 per cent debt financed with no capital from the investors.
    __
    Bain also reshaped Key Airlines, turning it from a profitable, taxpaying company with a $13m balance sheet and its own aircraft, into an operating company with a $2m balance sheet and a holding company from which it sold assets separately.

  6. 6.

    Strandedvandal

    August 17, 2012 at 10:32 am

    @Comrade Mary: Sure sounds like the Obama campaign knows there are some shenanigans in there.

  7. 7.

    Violet

    August 17, 2012 at 10:33 am

    On Romney’s claiming he paid 13% in taxes–Trust But Verify!

  8. 8.

    Linda Featheringill

    August 17, 2012 at 10:40 am

    Just a thought: If Romney is 65 years old or so and has NEVER had to explain, defend, or sell himself to others, this campaign must be very hard on him. It’s understandable that he would come down on critics like the wrath of God Himself. Understandable, if not acceptable.

    What would he be like as president? Would public criticism of President Romney result in a prison sentence? Or worse, would the critic just disappear?

  9. 9.

    Waynski

    August 17, 2012 at 10:42 am

    @Comrade Mary: Gekko, I mean Mitt, bought an airline. It’s like they modeled the movie on Romney’s career.

  10. 10.

    The Moar You Know

    August 17, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Obama’s campaign has offered Romney a deal: just show us the last 5 years of tax returns. Romney says no.

    @Comrade Mary: Team Obama knows what’s in them.

    The timeframe being proffered lends credence to a theory that’s been floating around here – namely that Romney took the 2009 amnesty to bring a shitload of offshore money back into the country.

  11. 11.

    Ben Franklin

    August 17, 2012 at 10:44 am

    kick the other guy in the balls as hard as you possibly can.

    Easier said, than done, DougJ. I have to find my tiny white sneakers for the diminutive challenge.

  12. 12.

    maya

    August 17, 2012 at 10:45 am

    In the interests of “both sides do it” it is only proper to point out that Rmoney engages in Macao style politics with the financial backing of Saul Alinsky Sheldon Adelson.

  13. 13.

    rlrr

    August 17, 2012 at 10:46 am

    @The Moar You Know:

    Team Obama knows what’s in them.

    Obama has a reputation for keeping his powder dry. If he’s hitting this hard, this early, October is going to be interesting…

  14. 14.

    lgerard

    August 17, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Maybe the other side might use the expression “Mississippi Politics”

  15. 15.

    aretino

    August 17, 2012 at 10:48 am

    @Comrade Mary: Thanks, Mary. That’s actually a different, related article from inside the paper. The front-pager focused on union-busting is harder-hitting. I see that DU has picked it up, so you can see it there.

    democraticunderground.com/11171126

  16. 16.

    red dog

    August 17, 2012 at 10:52 am

    Adelson and the Koch brothers should be target #1 for political reporters. Their money shelters would fit right in with Mittens as they are sure the election can be bought. Thanks Justice Roberts and cohorts.

  17. 17.

    Spatula

    August 17, 2012 at 10:53 am

    In for $5,000.00

    I want to FOUR MORE YEARS of the kind of ass kicking Obama’s justice department gave Goldman Sachs last week. About time those Wall Street crooks were taken to account for what they have done and are doing to this country!

    Oh, wait…

  18. 18.

    Janks

    August 17, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Just watched that crazy video “Disclosures”. It really is a big load of shit. This has Dick’s paw prints all over it with all his ranting about how nothing can be accomplished without intel.It was really pathetic. But I know they have barely scracthed the surface of the shit storm they’re getting ready to release after the convention.

  19. 19.

    Linda Featheringill

    August 17, 2012 at 10:55 am

    @Spatula: #17

    That one was pretty good. Well done.

  20. 20.

    Hill Dweller

    August 17, 2012 at 10:57 am

    @Spatula: Why do you continue to try and fuck up every thread? You did this same shit on a thread last night. Can’t you wait a couple of days before doing it again?

  21. 21.

    Comrade Mary

    August 17, 2012 at 10:58 am

    @aretino: Ah, great, thanks! The article I found was interesting, but it seemed at least partially approving.

  22. 22.

    ruemara

    August 17, 2012 at 11:00 am

    @Hill Dweller: No. Because it has to be about what he thinks. SATSQ.

    Back on topic. Maybe mid month. Right now, I have to make sure I can pay next month’s rent and maybe buy some food. But I’ll be in for a bit.

  23. 23.

    General Stuck

    August 17, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Witness the unvarnished stealing of an election in an American state in the 21st century.

    Pennsylvania announced on the same day that a judge said he would not block a controversial voter ID law that the state will not be offering online voter registration or give voters the ability to apply for an absentee ballot online this year. The Philadelphia Inquirer reports:

    Absentee ballots would allow residents who lack a valid form of photo identification to cast a ballot under the voter ID law.

    This needs to be stopped, and stopped right now.

  24. 24.

    General Stuck

    August 17, 2012 at 11:06 am

    BREAKING!! BREAKING!!

    Texas agent oranges self.

  25. 25.

    General Stuck

    August 17, 2012 at 11:07 am

    testing

  26. 26.

    General Stuck

    August 17, 2012 at 11:08 am

    I have two comments in moderation, and neither with any sign of forbidden words. death to WP!!

  27. 27.

    Roger Moore

    August 17, 2012 at 11:08 am

    @Hill Dweller:

    Why do you continue to try and fuck up every thread?

    Hey, man, a paycheck’s a paycheck.

  28. 28.

    Smiling Mortician

    August 17, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Re “kick the other guy in the balls as hard as you can” . . . I’m not sure who posted this link the other day, but it’s a brief bit of an interview from late 2007 in which Obama first explains his strategy of infinite patience followed by complete evisceration — and then he smiles. To watch it is to understand the interesting relationship between how he has conducted his first term in office and how he is waging his second campaign.

  29. 29.

    Ben Franklin

    August 17, 2012 at 11:10 am

    @Spatula:

    Oh, wait…

    Damn those pregnant pauses.

  30. 30.

    Cacti

    August 17, 2012 at 11:12 am

    @Linda Featheringill:

    Just a thought: If Romney is 65 years old or so and has NEVER had to explain, defend, or sell himself to others, this campaign must be very hard on him. It’s understandable that he would come down on critics like the wrath of God Himself. Understandable, if not acceptable.

    I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. Mitt’s had a life surrounded by subordinates and sycophants, and just doesn’t know how to handle scrutiny, or how to ask for something (i.e. votes). Bad for him, good for us.

  31. 31.

    Violet

    August 17, 2012 at 11:12 am

    @Smiling Mortician: Someone posted it here and I’ve been reposting it. It’s such a fantastic interview. Crush them. That’s what we’re seeing. He tried to reason with them and treat them as adults. They didn’t act in good faith. And now he’s going to crush them. Calmly, methodically, and with that fantastic smile. I love it.

  32. 32.

    NonyNony

    August 17, 2012 at 11:14 am

    @Ben Franklin:

    Damn those pregnant pauses.

    Somebody should have paid more attention in their abstinence-only English classes.

  33. 33.

    Ben Franklin

    August 17, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Speaking of,,,balls

    rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/ag-eric-holder-has-no-balls-20120815

  34. 34.

    Nemesis

    August 17, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Dust. Grind the bastids to dust. Mercy? Fuck dat!

  35. 35.

    Biscuits

    August 17, 2012 at 11:16 am

    I don’t want to kick them in the balls. I want to drop an anvil on them.

  36. 36.

    Kristine

    August 17, 2012 at 11:17 am

    I give every month, but I threw in a little more.

    I may have missed something, but in every Mitt protestation I’ve read, he states that he paid at least 13% in taxes. He doesn’t say federal taxes.

    I’m willing to bet that some years, he received refunds. People wouldn’t look at the amount he paid in those years. All they would see is that he got money back.

  37. 37.

    The Dangerman

    August 17, 2012 at 11:18 am

    @Smiling Mortician:

    …in which Obama first explains his strategy of infinite patience followed by complete evisceration…

    I have to wonder what big ideas he has for Term 2; far from what today’s Troll Du Juor is claiming, Obama has done quite a lot. Just not everything, of course.

    So, what might he go after in Term 2? Something that was so poisonous that he’d never get re-elected? Shit, Obamacare was damn near that poisonous. Term 2 should be a wild ride if he can flip the House and keep the Senate…

    …which leads me to the first thing he (more correctly, Harry Reid) should do, which is to end the fucking filibuster.

  38. 38.

    Poopyman

    August 17, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Already kicked in a couple of Benjamins. What those two do behind the ActBlue firewall is their own business, but sadly I don’t think we’ll be getting little baby Benjamins out of them.

    So you guys better pony up.

  39. 39.

    Violet

    August 17, 2012 at 11:22 am

    @Linda Featheringill:

    Just a thought: If Romney is 65 years old or so and has NEVER had to explain, defend, or sell himself to others, this campaign must be very hard on him. It’s understandable that he would come down on critics like the wrath of God Himself. Understandable, if not acceptable.

    I would guess this sort of thing is very difficult for him because he has never, ever experienced it. Your comment about him being 65 years old made me wonder about his health, as well. Of course, many 65 year olds are perfectly healthy and he seems healthy. But getting your first taste of not being bowed down to at the age of 65 in the rough and tumble of a presidential campaign would be pretty confusing and difficult.

    I get the sense that Mitt is very angry about people not just handing him the presidency on a silver platter, since he deserves it and it’s his turn, for pete’s sake. He tries to hide it, but it’s obvious in his tone of voice, body language and inability to deal with the punches. The punches aren’t going to let up, he’s going to continue to be angry unless he figures out how to deal with it. We’ve already seen his campaign claiming Mitt’s being “tired” as an excuse for something he said, and “exhausted” as an excuse for canceling a campaign stop. Sustained anger that someone tries to keep under wraps is exhausting and can be damaging physically. I wonder if Mitt has the capacity to deal with it over the next few months or we’ll see some health consequences of it.

  40. 40.

    Waynski

    August 17, 2012 at 11:22 am

    @The Moar You Know:

    The timeframe being proffered lends credence to a theory that’s been floating around here – namely that Romney took the 2009 amnesty to bring a shitload of offshore money back into the country.

    It also means he admitted that he’s guilty of at least one felony. I wonder if they put some clause in the anonymity agreement that if the person who took the amnesty talks about the amnesty, the anonymity provision becomes null and void. Can’t wait for a reporter to ask the direct question: Governor, did you take advantage of the amnesty offered for offshore accounts in 2009? Yes or No?

    What a hoot the Rs convention will be if its revealed their candidate’s an admitted felon. Plus it would be impossible for the media to dismiss and there’s no way to spin it.

  41. 41.

    Poopyman

    August 17, 2012 at 11:24 am

    @The Dangerman:

    which leads me to the first thing he (more correctly, Harry Reid) should do, which is to end the fucking filibuster.

    If Harry gets a Democratic House I think that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

  42. 42.

    General Stuck

    August 17, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Gotta admit. I didn’t see this one coming.

    Geraldo Investigates: Is There A ‘Lesbian Cabal’ Leading The Department Of Homeland Security?

    After the investigation is finished at DHS, Geraldo can get on the case of militant midgets taking over the Pentagon.

  43. 43.

    The Dangerman

    August 17, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Next, Big Idea for Term 2…

    …massive Tax Reform; first up, I’d tax Capital gains as ordinary income. That should piss off the 1%…

    …and then go after the Water Boarding enablers. What’s the statute of limitations for being an asshole?

  44. 44.

    Poopyman

    August 17, 2012 at 11:31 am

    @General Stuck: I think he found the evidence in Al Capone’s “vault”.

  45. 45.

    The Thin Black Duke

    August 17, 2012 at 11:32 am

    @General Stuck: Correct me if I’m wrong: wasn’t there a time when Geraldo was a real journalist? Then again, what can you expect from a hungry and shameless brown-noser who began his career as “Jerry Rivers”?

  46. 46.

    Violet

    August 17, 2012 at 11:33 am

    @The Thin Black Duke: If so, it was a loooong time ago. Well, before the Al Capone’s vault stunt.

  47. 47.

    Smiling Mortician

    August 17, 2012 at 11:34 am

    @The Thin Black Duke: I was just thinking that. But it must have been a long time ago.

  48. 48.

    Poopyman

    August 17, 2012 at 11:35 am

    @The Dangerman: As Ben Franklin referenced @up there: , we need a new AG. I nominate Eliot Spitzer. He’s got the incentive and he knows who buried the bodies, and where they are.

  49. 49.

    Cacti

    August 17, 2012 at 11:35 am

    @Violet:

    Your comment about him being 65 years old made me wonder about his health, as well. Of course, many 65 year olds are perfectly healthy and he seems healthy. But getting your first taste of not being bowed down to at the age of 65 in the rough and tumble of a presidential campaign would be pretty confusing and difficult.

    Mitt seems fairly healthy and clean-living, but 65 is 65. If elected, he would be the 4th oldest to enter office.

    Of the 3 that were older, one died within 30 days (Harrison), and one had dementia onset while in office (Reagan).

  50. 50.

    Violet

    August 17, 2012 at 11:36 am

    @Poopyman: I think it’s unlikely they’d try to replace Holder before the election. After the election is another story.

  51. 51.

    Redshift

    August 17, 2012 at 11:36 am

    @Kristine:

    I may have missed something, but in every Mitt protestation I’ve read, he states that he paid at least 13% in taxes. He doesn’t say federal taxes.

    Yup, and he specifically doesn’t say federal income taxes. Same with John McCain’s “defense.” And considering how comfortable Romney is lying about everything, the fact that he’s danced around that has to be significant.

    I wonder if that’s to convince himself that he’s not lying, or if he actually thinks that would help if the tax returns ever come out. ‘Cause if he thinks he can then say “I never said income tax” and get a response of “oh, how clever,” he’s delusional.

  52. 52.

    Violet

    August 17, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Has anyone seen this yet?

    In the days since Mitt Romney chose Paul Ryan as his running mate, Fox News has been gushing over the Wisconsin congressman, calling him a “rock star,” a “bold, transformational” pick, and “the future” of the Republican party.
    __
    Some of that praise sounded familiar, so Media Matters took a look at Fox’s coverage of another Republican vice presidential candidate — current Fox News contributor Sarah Palin, who was 2008’s “rock star” pick and “future of the Republican Party.”

    Video at the link. Bunch of Republican cheerleaders, that’s all Fox News is.

    ETA: As I said way back when, Paul Ryan is the Male Palin–The Malin. This confirms it.

  53. 53.

    Bill Arnold

    August 17, 2012 at 11:43 am

    @Redshift:

    Yup, and he specifically doesn’t say federal income taxes.

    Also, 13% of what?
    (e.g. the taxable income might be pretty small…)

  54. 54.

    Hill Dweller

    August 17, 2012 at 11:45 am

    The Village is trying very hard to mitigate any damage Willard might incur for not releasing his tax returns.

    They’re also doing a horrendous job refuting Willard’s and Eddie Munster’s lies on Medicare.

  55. 55.

    Elizabelle

    August 17, 2012 at 11:46 am

    @Comrade Mary:

    Thank you for the FT column link.

    Wheels up!

  56. 56.

    Redshift

    August 17, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Oh, speaking of the tax returns, there’s one facet that I haven’t seen discussed. Unless I’m mistaken, Romney talks about having released as much information as is “legally required.” Again, unless I’m mistaken, releasing tax returns is not “legally required” of a presidential candidate.

    So in addition to his other lies and dodges, this dodge is also a lie.

  57. 57.

    Elizabelle

    August 17, 2012 at 11:47 am

    @Violet:

    Call him Paul Palin Ryan. People will laugh.

  58. 58.

    Face

    August 17, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Had them as puppies (not reared poorly). Friendly as can be most of the time. Yet snapped and killed its owner. It’s freakin’ owner.

    Yeah, that breed’s not broken. Nothing wrong there.

  59. 59.

    Culture of Truth

    August 17, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Romney paid 13% in taxes. Even more, if you count charity, birthday presents, change lost behind his couch, and beachfront mansions.

  60. 60.

    Suffern ACE

    August 17, 2012 at 11:48 am

    @General Stuck: Hmmm. I saw the story about the lawsuit on the news program. Some guy claiming that men aren’t promoted and given offices in bathrooms and whatnot. They didn’t say “Lesbians” were behind it.

  61. 61.

    TK421

    August 17, 2012 at 11:50 am

    I hate “both sides do it”. That just isn’t true. No Republican ever claimed the power to have an American killed without a trial like President Obama has.

  62. 62.

    Valdivia

    August 17, 2012 at 11:51 am

    So have we gotten to the brazen no one but the rich white folks can vote decision out of PA this am?

    I really just can’t take it anymore. I hope based on this there can be another lawsuit since this contradicts what they told the Judge.

  63. 63.

    Culture of Truth

    August 17, 2012 at 11:52 am

    @TK421: Could you send me a link to Romney and other R’s repudiating Obama on this issue? Thanks a bunch.

  64. 64.

    Cacti

    August 17, 2012 at 11:53 am

    @TK421:

    No Republican ever claimed the power to have an American killed without a trial like President Obama has

    Abraham Lincoln?

  65. 65.

    Violet

    August 17, 2012 at 11:53 am

    @Culture of Truth: I heard some bimbo talking head on CNN say, “Romney says he paid 13% in taxes and when you factor in charity it’s 20%” or something along those lines. She of course didn’t bother to say that charity donations aren’t a tax. Just repeated the 20% number. Ridiculous.

  66. 66.

    rikyrah

    August 17, 2012 at 11:53 am

    you know, you really have some of the funniest posts. I just enjoy reading them.

    and, NO, BOTH SIDES DON’T DO IT.

  67. 67.

    Bunter

    August 17, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Ryan is Otto from a Fish Called Wanda, only not funny. He’s a Catholic who seems to think Church doctrine is “Screw you I got mine” instead of “Help the less fortunate”. Granted, I left the Church a long time ago, but I’m fairly certain I’d have heard if they’d changed that position.

  68. 68.

    Violet

    August 17, 2012 at 11:54 am

    @Elizabelle:

    Call him Paul Palin Ryan. People will laugh.

    Paulin Ryan?

  69. 69.

    Cacti

    August 17, 2012 at 11:55 am

    @Violet:

    I heard some bimbo talking head on CNN say, “Romney says he paid 13% in taxes and when you factor in charity it’s 20%” or something along those lines. She of course didn’t bother to say that charity donations aren’t a tax. Just repeated the 20% number. Ridiculous

    And the majority of R-money’s “charitable contributions” are tithes to the Mormon church, an organization that gives less than 2% of their annual income to charitable causes.

  70. 70.

    lamh35

    August 17, 2012 at 11:56 am

    @Comrade Mary: Ok. I’m seriously beginning the suspect that there will be a leak or some explosive story about Romney taxes either before the convention or sometime after the DNC concention

  71. 71.

    rikyrah

    August 17, 2012 at 11:56 am

    @Kristine:

    I may have missed something, but in every Mitt protestation I’ve read, he states that he paid at least 13% in taxes. He doesn’t say federal taxes.

    You haven’t missed a damn thing. plenty of folks say the same thing, especially Larry O and David Cay JOhnston – they were the first ones on tv, from what I watch, that point this out all the time.

    Neither HE nor Miss Ann …

    EVER SAY

    FEDERAL INCOME TAXES.

  72. 72.

    Tim I

    August 17, 2012 at 11:57 am

    @Cacti: We have a winner!

  73. 73.

    artem1s

    August 17, 2012 at 11:58 am

    take some time and read Charlie Pierce today. He is on fire

    esquire.com/blogs/politics/morrill-symposium-11778233

  74. 74.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    August 17, 2012 at 11:58 am

    @Hill Dweller: Why do you continue to try and fuck up every thread?

    You can’t stop the Reedy Nasal Whine.

  75. 75.

    burnspbesq

    August 17, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Bloomberg weighs in with a headline DougJ will love.

    “Standard Chartered Fought the Lawski, and the Lawski Won”

  76. 76.

    General Stuck

    August 17, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    @TK421:

    I hate “both sides do it”. That just isn’t true. No Republican ever claimed the power to have an American killed without a trial like President Obama has.

    Not so, grasshopper

  77. 77.

    Valdivia

    August 17, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    I seem to be in moderation. Anyone talked yet about the outrage decision out of PA today?

  78. 78.

    wiscomom

    August 17, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    @Violet:
    Someone on Twitter mentioned today that Mitt will have been off the campaign trail for three straight days today. Except for fundraisers and the “press eval” with whiteboard, Mitt isn’t meeting and greeting any voters. I am thinking there might be real exhaustion issues going forward. How will he make it through October with a schedule that requires him to hop from state to state? When the book on this election comes out I am thinking we will hear Mitt was either lazy or just not up to the physical challenges of campaigning.

  79. 79.

    Kane

    August 17, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Chicago. San Francisco. Hollywood. Los Angeles. New York. Massachusetts. California. It is amazing how the republican party can vilify entire cities and states, yet accuse democrats of divisiveness and dividing the country.

  80. 80.

    Culture of Truth

    August 17, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    @wiscomom: He’s having new memory added and an emotion chip installed.

  81. 81.

    General Stuck

    August 17, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    @Valdivia:

    I tried to on this thread, at comment 23, but was also moderated and still is. PA announcing they won’t even allow absentee ballots for those without ID, pretty much seals the case they are all out to steal the coming election in that state. Beyond shameful in a supposed democracy.

  82. 82.

    wrb

    August 17, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    @Comrade Mary:

    Vicious fuckers, they are

  83. 83.

    Violet

    August 17, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    @wiscomom: I think Mitt thinks that meeting big money donors is all he really needs to do, outside of the occasional press avail, very occasional campaign stop with pre-screened attendees, and a Fox News interview or two. Why should Mitt have to shake hands and talk to any of the unclean members of the lower orders? He’s rich and running for President, for pete’s sake!

  84. 84.

    Violet

    August 17, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    @General Stuck: I wonder if the PA travesty will be enough for any of the media to catch on. Voters in PA need a Rosa Parks figure. Someone with standing in the community who can take a principled stand, hurt the Republicans somehow and embarrass the state.

  85. 85.

    Valdivia

    August 17, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    @General Stuck:

    I did too, I linked to TPM and got put in mod. So after the Judge says law is ok because the State said it would do everything to get people id’s and absentee ballots etc, the State says: ooops sorry we don’t have time to do both voter suppression and anything that may alleviate it like absentee ballots online, so we are just going with voter suppression.

    Death of the Republic, it’s here.

    @Violet: I saw at Benen’s place that they gave the lead plaintiff, a 92 year old woman, an id free of charge and without really upholding the rules they made it. So–she gets to vote but the millions of people like her don’t. I hope they make an ad with her saying shame on you, trying to hide what you are doing, etc.

  86. 86.

    wrb

    August 17, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Neither HE nor Miss Ann …
    EVER SAY
    FEDERAL INCOME TAXES

    I hope the careful shaving of words is as unattractive to most people as it is to me.

    That is schoolboy-grade attempted deception.

    Doof.f

  87. 87.

    Violet

    August 17, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    @wrb: Some enterprising reporter needs to ask. “Governor Romney, is that 13% Federal Income Taxes? If not, can you tell us what your Federal Income Tax rate was in each of those years?”

  88. 88.

    Cacti

    August 17, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    @Kane:

    Chicago. San Francisco. Hollywood. Los Angeles. New York. Massachusetts. California. It is amazing how the republican party can vilify entire cities and states, yet accuse democrats of divisiveness and dividing the country.

    Just once, I’d like to hear a Dem refer to Romney as a bigoted provincial, with Salt Lake City values.

  89. 89.

    Valdivia

    August 17, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    I would like to see the Obama campaign do two videos with grandmothers. One showing a grandmother speaking to the tv about how she won’t be able to vote in PA. Another one with a grandmother talking about Medicare with someone under 55. The Reps are already trying to use Ryan’s mother to soften the medicare lie, we have to hit them back hard.

    Grandma’s for Obama where are you? :)

  90. 90.

    pragmatism

    August 17, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Galt n Gekko’s here
    [Now wait a minute, y’all
    these tax cuts ain’t for everybody
    Only the producing people
    So all you wealthy mothers, get on out there and dance
    Dance, I said!]

    Galt n Gekko’s here and they’re in effect.
    Want you to cut it yeah.
    Cuttin taxes by day then at night ending entitlements.

  91. 91.

    SatanicPanic

    August 17, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    @TK421:

    No Republican ever claimed the power to have an American killed without a trial like President Obama has.

    Abraham Lincoln?

  92. 92.

    catclub

    August 17, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    @Bunter: How stupid a Catholic do you have to be to read Ayn Rand and think: “_This_ is the philosophy I will live my life by, plus go to Church and such.”?

    Also, who were the political advisors pushing for Veep when they were overruled by the Romney clan?

  93. 93.

    chopper

    August 17, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    @General Stuck:

    forget it, jake. it’s stupidtown.

  94. 94.

    Yutsano

    August 17, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    @TK421: Because al-Alawaki’s Yemeni trial and conviction totes doesn’t count amirite?

  95. 95.

    Cacti

    August 17, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    @Valdivia:

    I would like to see the Obama campaign do two videos with grandmothers. One showing a grandmother speaking to the tv about how she won’t be able to vote in PA. Another one with a grandmother talking about Medicare with someone under 55. The Reps are already trying to use Ryan’s mother to soften the medicare lie, we have to hit them back hard.

    The question should be, if it’s such a wonderful plan, why does Ryan want to exempt his own mother from it?

  96. 96.

    Mark S.

    August 17, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    @catclub:

    Out of curiosity, I googled “ayn rand abortion” and, whatever else you want say about her, she was completely pro-choice.

  97. 97.

    Valdivia

    August 17, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    @Cacti:

    Exactly. Also–in their plan everyone under 54 continues to pay into medicare but never get medicare! so: we pay for something that will never be as good as the obligation entails.

    ugh.

  98. 98.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    August 17, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    @lamh35:

    I followed a link on twitter this morning briefly (and now I can’t find it) it was an opinion by some tax expert that basically said chances are Harry Reid (or some other politician) already has the tax returns because certain members of congress can legally request them from the IRS.

  99. 99.

    Cacti

    August 17, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    @Mark S.:

    Out of curiosity, I googled “ayn rand abortion” and, whatever else you want say about her, she was completely pro-choice.

    Ayn Rand described the idea of a fetus having a right to life as “vicious nonsense”.

    I wonder how Paulie squared that circle with his Catholicism.

  100. 100.

    gogol's wife

    August 17, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    The NYTimes today says Romney says it was his effective Federal tax rate. I can’t seem to find the original statement. All I see are reporters reporting it as referring to his Federal income tax rate. Are you guys sure he didn’t say that? If he didn’t, they are interpolating that into his statement, I guess.

  101. 101.

    Spatula

    August 17, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    @Hill Dweller:

    Why do you continue to try and fuck up every thread? You did this same shit on a thread last night. Can’t you wait a couple of days before doing it again?

    Seriously? One nonbot commenter commenting is all it takes to “fuck up” your precious little echo chamber thread?

    BJ is a BotBlog, but it isn’t hermetically sealed, not yet anyway.

  102. 102.

    The Thin Black Duke

    August 17, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    @gogol’s wife: Again, it doesn’t matter what Romney said he did. Just show us the damned tax returns, for Pete’s sake!

  103. 103.

    rlrr

    August 17, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    @Cacti:

    I wonder how Paulie squared that circle with his Catholicism.

    He’s a cafeteria Randian…

  104. 104.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    August 17, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    (dont feed the troll)

  105. 105.

    Spatula

    August 17, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    @Belafon (formerly anonevent):

    (ok, hall monitor…don’t tell the principal)

  106. 106.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    August 17, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    @Spatula: One nonbot commenter commenting is all it takes to “fuck up” your precious little echo chamber thread?

    Hill Dweller didn’t say that you’d succeeded, only that you’d tried.

  107. 107.

    EconWatcher

    August 17, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Got stuck watching Fox News while I was with my dad in the hospital yesterday. I very seldom watch it, but it really shocks me every time.

    We started with an interview with Doug Wilder, who was talking about how outrageous Biden’s “chains” reference was, and how Obama would now like to dump him from the ticket but can’t. When did Wilder become such a jerk? (For the record, I thought it was a stupid thing for Biden to say, but the notion that it’s a firable offense is beyond absurd.)

    From there we went to Paul Ryan–Paul “Voucher Boy” Ryan–attacking Obama for stealing $700 billion from Medicare for Obamacare. Then on to “fast and furious” and then alleged leaks of military secrets.

    This is the world many people live in every day. I shouldn’t have been surprised, but I was left shaken.

  108. 108.

    Chyron HR

    August 17, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    @Spatula:

    I wonder who’s going to be more upset if Obama is re-elected, you or Rush?

  109. 109.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    August 17, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    @EconWatcher: While “the old ball and chain” implies a lot of things, the chain is not implying slavery. Come up with a better metaphor for being bound by someone wanting to oppress you.

  110. 110.

    gogol's wife

    August 17, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    @EconWatcher:

    And I assume this television was on turned to Fox in some common area of the hospital? I have noticed that all health-care facilities in my area have their televisions turned to all Fox News, all the time. When I complain, the employees claim there is nothing they can do about it.

  111. 111.

    NonyNony

    August 17, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    @Chyron HR:

    I wonder who’s going to be more upset if Obama is re-elected, you or Rush?

    Spats. Rush will have the consolation of four more years of easy-to-compose spittle flecked rants about the blackity-black guy in office to keep ratings up. Spats doesn’t get that kind of consolation.

  112. 112.

    EconWatcher

    August 17, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    @gogol’s wife:

    You are correct, in the waiting room for MRIs.

    But that’s my father’s channel of choice at home too. He’s living with us while he fights a losing battle with a brain tumor. I’d let him watch reruns of Mussolini speeches if that made him happy.

  113. 113.

    Hal

    August 17, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    I’m not sure how much more of Paul Ryan’s facial expressions I can take. He looks like he practices in front of a mirror every morning to get just the right combination of fake sympathy and smugness.

  114. 114.

    The Moar You Know

    August 17, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    @Spatula: Clime/Kola! Hey, welcome back. We’ve missed your pedophile-worshipping ways around here for the last few weeks. Where you been? Scrubbing your hard drives? hahahahahaahhaahahaha.

  115. 115.

    SatanicPanic

    August 17, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    @EconWatcher: I thought they were going to try to say “chains” was a reference to the Communist Manifesto, but I guess it’s more important to push the idea that liberals are the real racists.

  116. 116.

    gogol's wife

    August 17, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    @EconWatcher:

    I’m so sorry.

  117. 117.

    FlipYrWhig

    August 17, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    @EconWatcher: Doug Wilder has been a dick and a concern troll for a long, long time.

  118. 118.

    The Thin Black Duke

    August 17, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Uncle Joe talking about “chains” doesn’t offend me. That two-faced motherfucker Ryan spewing lies about Medicare and Social Security does.

  119. 119.

    EconWatcher

    August 17, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    @gogol’s wife:

    Thanks. I’ve been through the drill a few times now, with family or close friends dying of cancer, as so many on this site have been. That disease just sucks.

    Wonder where we’d be if we’d spent the Iraq War money on cancer research instead? But that’s just crazy talk.

  120. 120.

    The Other Chuck

    August 17, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    Even going way the hell out on a limb taking Mitt’s claim at face value … he’s only paying *thirteen fucking percent?!*

  121. 121.

    aretino

    August 17, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    @SatanicPanic: Abraham Lincoln?

    FTW

  122. 122.

    mclaren

    August 17, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    Establishment media will cluck and say “both sides do it” no matter what, so we may as well actually do it. If the refs are just handing out double technicals, you should get your money’s worth and kick the other guy in the balls as hard as you possibly can.

    Abso-fucking-lutely. The Democrats need to rip Romney’s head off and shit down his neck, politically speaking. Put the Innumeracy Twins down so hard in this election, the GOP doesn’t even think about running such far-right lunatics in a general election again.

    Send ’em a message. After the polls close on election day, “Romney and Ryan sleep with the fishes.”

  123. 123.

    Spatula

    August 17, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    @Chyron HR:

    I wonder who’s going to be more upset if Obama is re-elected, you or Rush?

    Hmmm…well, I just don’t know. But given that I’ll be voting for Obama, probably Rush.

  124. 124.

    Violet

    August 17, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    @The Other Chuck: No, the talking point is that he pays more than 20% because they add in charity donations of 10% and the media just repeats that bs.

  125. 125.

    pragmatism

    August 17, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    @Spatula: oh pshaw. you’re gonna write in hamsher/norquist.

  126. 126.

    Yutsano

    August 17, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    @pragmatism: Don’t be silly. We ALL know REAL progressives will be voting for Jill Stein.

  127. 127.

    Punchy

    August 17, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Why is there a thermometer collecting money? Shouldn’t you have a Strapping Young Buck(TM) avitar with the money (food stamps?) piling up in his pockets?

  128. 128.

    Bulworth

    August 17, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    @Violet: I have no trouble believing the 13% number. Who would make that up? The good patriotic severely conservative Amercians are supposed to be TaxedEnoughAlready. 13% is a contradiction of that claim.

  129. 129.

    burnspbesq

    August 17, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    @mclaren:

    Put the Innumeracy Twins down so hard in this election, the GOP doesn’t even think about running such far-right lunatics in a general election again.

    It’s not going to work that way. All that’s left in the Republican Party are far-right lunatics. There are no Scrantons or G. Romneys, and no Ripon Society, to play the roles those people and institutions played after the 1964 election.

    The best you can hope for is that 2012 for the Republicans turns out to be what 1852 was for the Whigs. And even that seems highly unlikely.

  130. 130.

    pragmatism

    August 17, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    @Yutsano: I’m sure that President Stein would, on day one, use the bully pulpit to fight for what real progressives want and achieve it unilaterally, despite the limitations on executive power.

  131. 131.

    burnspbesq

    August 17, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    If you have, umm, issues with Greenwald, you’ll enjoy this.

    foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/16/what_s_glenn_greenwald_s_problem

    As I’ve said before, a sanctimonious bully who’s right a good part of the time is a sanctimonious bully.

  132. 132.

    TR

    August 17, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    @Cacti:

    That’s why Ayn Rand hated Reagan.

    No one tell Ryan that mommy and daddy fought. He’ll burst into tears.

  133. 133.

    burnspbesq

    August 17, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    @pragmatism:

    And if anybody doesn’t like it, she’ll sic Attorney General Greenwald and SEC Chairman Taibbi on their miserable asses.

  134. 134.

    Calouste

    August 17, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    @Cacti:

    David Cameron said that it was easier to hold the Olympics in the middle of nowhere. That’s probably a lot closer to “Fuck off you hick.” than you are going to hear from any dem.

  135. 135.

    The Moar You Know

    August 17, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    @burnspbesq: Greenwald ranting on at length about things of which he knows nothing at all?

    Color me not shocked.

  136. 136.

    wrb

    August 17, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    The best you can hope for is that 2012 for the Republicans turns out to be what 1852 was for the Whigs. And even that seems highly unlikely.

    Unfortunately or fortunately, there are crazy billionaires behind the crazy party, so it probably isn’t going away.

    They could have had this election and maybe secured permanent power if their candidates weren’t so gawd-awful.

    And they aren’t out yet.

  137. 137.

    burnspbesq

    August 17, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    @pragmatism:

    Actually, she won’t need to act unilaterally, because filibuster-proof progressive majorities will ride her coattails into both houses of Congress. After which Scalia and Kennedy will conveniently die.

  138. 138.

    Spatula

    August 17, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    You know…since I’m in Boston and Mass will surely go for Obama without my little, meaningless vote, perhaps I will vote for or write in Roseanne Barr.

    She’s for all the things Obama used to pretend to be for.

  139. 139.

    pragmatism

    August 17, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    @Spatula: make sure to vote for dreamy senator scott brown. take that democrats who let your expectations down!

  140. 140.

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ (formerly IrishGrrrl)

    August 17, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    …you should get your money’s worth and kick the other guy in the balls as hard as you possibly can.

    I’ma kickin!

  141. 141.

    Spatula

    August 17, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    @pragmatism:

    These are your fantasies, not mine.

    ETA: I will enthusiastically be voting for Elizabeth Warren. She has yet to be Beltway-assimilated.

    Pity that Prez O couldn’t be bothered to appoint her to the CFPB cause, you know, if he did the Republicans would be mean or something…

  142. 142.

    gogol's wife

    August 17, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    @The Other Chuck:

    And the NYTimes tells me that’s more than most people pay. I’m not sure how they’re calculating that.

  143. 143.

    pragmatism

    August 17, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    @Spatula: your fantasy is the unilateral ability of the executive to effect all of his or her proposed agenda. it’s nice to have fantasies. i choose not to bitch about it when mine don’t come true because i realize that my expectations may be misplaced or don’t represent reality. but that’s just me. you’re here to troll.

  144. 144.

    Yutsano

    August 17, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    @Spatula: She. Didn’t. Want. The. Job. Christ she said so herself!

  145. 145.

    Spatula

    August 17, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    @Yutsano:

    Oh horseshit. Gullible, much?

    I’m guessing you believe Mitt Romney paid his taxes in full too, cause you know, he SAID so.

    BTW, I thought I “bore” you. It’s ok, though…that you’re my stalker, both hating and wanting me.

  146. 146.

    pragmatism

    August 17, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    @Spatula: all of your posts could be shortered into: I reject reality and substitute my own. jeebus.

  147. 147.

    rea

    August 17, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    “Take your campaign of division and anger and hate back to Chicago,” Romney says, responding to Biden.

    Is Chicago in Delaware?

  148. 148.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    August 17, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    @rea: Is Chicago in Delaware?

    hee hee

    They must think that “back to Chicago” line is a real zinger.

  149. 149.

    John

    August 17, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    I may have just contributed that last ten…

  150. 150.

    John

    August 17, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    Hey, cool, I did, there’s a happy accident. Yay BJ’ers, we hit 30k!

  151. 151.

    brantl

    August 20, 2012 at 8:22 am

    @TK421: Wake up, moron. If you don’t think Bush had people killed on the QT, you’re really stupid. How about they were holding Jose Padillo in solitary for 5 years? How about they try him, after he’s too nuts to defend himself, saying “this word, in this transcript, actually means this, instead?”? Wake up, doofus.

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