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Boston Globe Demands Apology from Biden Over Chains Comment; Should STFU

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The Boston Globe is calling on Vice President Joe Biden to apologize for telling an audience at a campaign rally, made up largely of African Americans, that Republicans “want to put ya’ll back in chains.”

“[I]magine if Republican Paul Ryan uttered comments like that. Mitt Romney’s pick for vice president would be pilloried for racial insensitivity — and so would Romney,” the Globe’s editorial board wrote in today’s paper. “In the fight for civility and substance over pointless hyperbole, Biden may not be the worst offender. But he’s an offender nonetheless, and he should apologize.”

I did a quick Google search, and I don’t recall the Boston Globe demanding that Mitt Romney apologize for Romney surrogate and Orange Supremacist Donald Trump’s crazy racist birther bullshit.

As such, I am cordially inviting the Boston Globe to shut its fucking pie hole and stop feigning outrage on behalf of black Americans, many of whom don’t give a shit about what Biden said, and care more about the fact that Mitt Romney policies will, metaphorically, put them back in chains. (Not to mention the fact, that in context, his comments made perfect sense.)

And no, I don’t give a shit that the GOP found a Negro to complain about Biden’s language for them. Arthur Davis can jump up his own ass.

I have fucking had it.

Just shut up and let Joe Biden be great.

[cross-posted at ABLC]

RELATED POST: Joe Biden Said Something About Chains and Slavery and now Andrea Saul Needs Her Smelling Salts

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190Comments

  2. 2.

    Hill Dweller

    Republicans are more than happy to tell anyone that will listen the only racism in this country is “reverse-racism” against white people.

  3. 3.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    But surely the Globe has taken the lead in castigating Romney for his welfare ad, which is not an off the cuff remark but a premeditated, carefully planned and candidate-approved massive ad buy, which they doubled-down on even after the basic lie was pointed out– if not the race-baiting, because that would be unpleasant. I’m quite sure the Globe did that.

  4. 4.

    Chris

    This whole thing started with Paul Ryan saying we need to “unchain Wall Street”. Biden just turned the phrase.

  5. 5.

    AHH onna Droid

    That paper distinguishes itself in being sold to a group of self-segregated white bourgeois ex-urbanites famous for their NIMBYism and championship of the noble FYIGM cause. They only pretend to believe in racial solidarity when they can sneer at proletarian, urban, Roman-Catholic racists. Funny how racist Protestants in Western Mass and racist PTA parents of the WASPy persuasion never come in for Globe tut-tuttings.

    Shorter me: For Pete’s sake, this is the paper that kept Mike Barnicle in potato chips, beer, and invites to the ‘ right’ parties (or as they are styled in the Hub, galas) for years.

  6. 6.

    gian

    Like anyone would believe republicans would get upset about racism. Much simpler to have
    complained he was riffing off of … workers of the world unite… you have nothing to lose but your chains… the common paraphrase from the communist manifesto. At least then someone might actually buy the outrage

  7. 7.

    gian

    Like anyone would believe republicans would get upset about racism. Much simpler to have
    complained he was riffing off of … workers of the world unite… you have nothing to lose but your chains… the common paraphrase from the communist manifesto. At least then someone might actually buy the outrage

  8. 8.

    dance around in your bones

    I dunno, lately politics seems so stupid that I spend all my time on YouTube looking up links from fellow Balloon Juicers.

    Seems to help my blood pressure a lot more.

    Also, I think Obama’s got this. Mittsy is just too unreal to connect with most sentient beings.

    Sorry, dude! Drink mass quantities – oh, wait, you can’t, Mittsy !/ Sucks to be you.

    I hope this works…lately the site has been…shall we say. wonkish?

    BWAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAHAAA !! Luv ya, JC.

  9. 9.

    dance around in your bones

    I dunno, lately politics seems so stupid that I spend all my time on YouTube looking up links from fellow Balloon Juicers.

    Seems to help my blood pressure a lot more.

    Also, I think Obama’s got this. Mittsy is just too unreal to connect with most sentient beings.

    Sorry, dude! Drink mass quantities – oh, wait, you can’t, Mittsy !/ Sucks to be you.

    I hope this works…lately the site has been…shall we say. wonkish?

    BWAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAHAAA !! Luv ya, JC.

  11. 11.

    Davis X. Machina

    The Boston Globe at this point is just the north suburban edition of the New York Times. One of the economies of scale the buy-out made possible was to use the same string of pearls for clutching by the editorial boards of both papers.

  13. 13.

    dance around in your bones

    I dunno, lately politics seems so stupid that I spend all my time on YouTube looking up links from fellow Balloon Juicers.

    Seems to help my blood pressure a lot more.

    Also, I think Obama’s got this. Mittsy is just too unreal to connect with most sentient beings.

    Sorry, dude! Drink mass quantities – oh, wait, you can’t, Mittsy !/ Sucks to be you.

    I hope this works…lately the site has been…shall we say. wonkish?

    BWAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAHAAA !! Luv ya, JC.

  14. 14.

    dance around in your bones

    I dunno, lately politics seems so stupid that I spend all my time on YouTube looking up links from fellow Balloon Juicers.

    Seems to help my blood pressure a lot more.

    Also, I think Obama’s got this. Mittsy is just too unreal to connect with most sentient beings.

    Sorry, dude! Drink mass quantities – oh, wait, you can’t, Mittsy !/ Sucks to be you.

    I hope this works…lately the site has been…shall we say. wonkish?

    BWAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAHAAA !! Luv ya, JC.

  15. 15.

    Spatula

    @Chris:

    This whole thing started with Paul Ryan saying we need to “unchain Wall Street”. Biden just turned the phrase.

    Yes, this, exactly.

    Biden’s remark was a riff on Ryan’s earlier statement, which he mentioned in the sentence just before.

    Jesus, I wish the Dems had a better organized response team.

  16. 16.

    scav

    Sounds like a newspaper in simply desperate need of clicks to meet some internal benchmark of relevance for bonuses and furthermore an outfit in need of cheap publicity. Hoping for a Chick-fil-a bounce?

  20. 20.

    Frodo

    So did any of these professional pearl-clutchers bother to interview people at the actual event about whether or not they were bothered by the word “chains”? I’m guessing no. It’s so much easier to have a 99.9% white GOP and 99.9% white press pontificate than to actually address the real concerns of the African-Americans.

    Bah.

  22. 22.

    dance around in your bones

    I dunno, lately politics seems so stupid that I spend all my time on YouTube looking up links from fellow Balloon Juicers.

    Seems to help my blood pressure a lot more.

    Also, I think Obama’s got this. Mittsy is just too unreal to connect with most sentient beings.

    Sorry, dude! Drink mass quantities – oh, wait, you can’t, Mittsy !/ Sucks to be you.

    I hope this works…lately the site has been…shall we say. wonkish?

    BWAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAHAAA !! Luv ya, JC.

    Oh, frack. FYWP,I can’t comment, edit, or any fucking thing.
    I’mma go to my MOTHER-IN-LAWS house and get some relief.

    That’s how desperate I am. Lotsa botellas de Chardonnay estan muy importante, muy pronto.

    P.S. We don’t talk politics – learned that lesson a while ago.

  23. 23.

    dance around in your bones

    OK, obviously this was NOT MY FUCKING FAULT!!!!

    FYWP – ever since JC “upgraded” his site, we have been getting the multiple posts.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that. yuk yuk.

  25. 25.

    Roger Moore

    @dance around in your bones:

    ever since JC “upgraded” his site, we have been getting the multiple posts.

    We got multiple posts long before the site upgrade. What I don’t understand is how, because whenever I have site problems and try to submit something again, I get a message telling me that I can’t because I’ve already posted that.

  27. 27.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    Oh yeah and where were the Boston Globe calling for apologies for the Romney campaign calling Obama “non American” and where were the Romney campaign calling out Donald Trump for calling his birth certificate a forgery? And where were the Boston Globe calling out Sheriff Arpiao stating with certainty that the President’s birth certificate was a forgery? Yeah right. Kiss my fucking lily white English arse.

  30. 30.

    Hal

    @Roger Moore:

    Can we get a hearty round of FYWAVRPFWP for all the repeated posts?

    I finally started walking away from the computer and waiting for my post to load to avoid the multi-posting.

    Also, you really have to hand it to the Globe for requesting an apology from Biden to campaign that is all but rolling out a new Willie Horton ad in order to try and get some traction among older white voters.

  31. 31.

    dance around in your bones

    @Roger Moore:

    Well, see, this is what is different – I have been hanging around this site since 2007(ish?) and I do not remember this many multiple post thingys – evah,

    And I will say that I (and many other people) do NOT mash the ‘submit’ button multiple times.

    It’s just a FYWP glitch. And I swear it has gotten worse since the last site ‘upgrade’.

    And believe me, I have been through more than a few of those…upgrades, I mean.

  32. 32.

    Roger Moore

    @Litlebritdifrnt:
    It’s very simple. When the Republicans do something, it’s ignored or both sides do it. When the Democrats do something, it’s a totally unprecedented, terrible, horrible, no good, very bad thing.

  34. 34.

    dance around in your bones

    Also, what do you call your kid’s mother-in-law?

    That’s what I meant, but I don’t know the term.

    Mother-in-Mother-in Mother-in-Law?

    Frack, maybe I iz too buzzed to go over there. Oh well, nobody will notice. As long as I keep away from FUCKING POLITICS!!!

  35. 35.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Hal:

    I finally started walking away from the computer

    For some reason, I find this line very funny coming from HAL.

    +2.37

  36. 36.

    Califlander

    Funny. When Herman Cain talked about “the Democrat plantation,” there was no outcry from the Boston Globe.

    One might think that they are practicing selective outrage. One might also think that they are simply shilling for their preferred party. Either way, it’s clear that the Globe policy is, as always, IOKIYAR.

  39. 39.

    Patricia Kayden

    Nugent, Trump and that Megadeath idiot (among other Righties) have all made outrageous comments about President Obama. Nothing in Biden’s chains comment was remotely controversial. If Biden or Obama apologizes, I can’t vote for them. Would show them to be too spineless for my liking.

  40. 40.

    RareSanity

    As such, I am cordially inviting the Boston Globe to shut its fucking pie hole and stop feigning outrage on behalf of black Americans

    As a member of the aforementioned group…I completely agree.

    Any black American that is interested in this non-story, knew exactly what the Vice President was saying, and probably (like me) agrees with his statement, and took no offense from it.

    The real kicker is that, any black American that didn’t hear what the Vice President said, upon being informed of what the Vice President said, would probably agree with what the Vice President said…and would take no offense from it.

    Guess what Boston Globe? It’s not a stretch for a black American to believe that a rich, white Republican, seeks to place them in figurative (or literal) chains. Have you forgotten which community the term, “it’s ‘the man’ trying to hold us down”, originated?

    So who exactly is the Boston Globe requesting an apology on behalf of?

  42. 42.

    dance around in your bones

    @PurpleGirl:

    Thank you, that sounds correct.

    Even though we do NOT agree on politics…which is why we do not discuss it.

    Shame, she is a nice lady in every other respect.

  43. 43.

    JR in WV

    People, It’s OK to be a racist if you’re a Republican. Don’t we all already know that?

    Everything is OK if you’re a Republican. Just look at Bush! Things he did would get anyone else impeached and jailed.

    Look at Willard, he’s done half-a-dozen things that would have me in jail, voting fraud, Medicare fraud, tax fraud, tithing fraud… oh… wait, that’s only a crime to the prophets of the Church of Latter Gay Saints, so it doesn’t count for prosecution, just for not being able to… do something we regular gentiles aren’t allowed to know about, but undergarments are involved. Maybe.

    Anyway, IOKIYAR, so they’re OK at the Globe.

    AAAARRRRGGGHHHHH!

  50. 50.

    RareSanity

    @Roger Moore:

    The Man. SATSQ.

    ‘The Man’ sure is a delicate flower, isn’t he?

    You’d think someone that had all of the political, and financial, power he could ever want, he would be more secure in his position…

    Ah well, live and learn.

  51. 51.

    John O

    My feeling is sunk about this election.

    Too much Obama hate out there, by my own informal poll. Too many ’08 supporters soured. Too many racists, religious bigots, too many homophobes.

    All I can do to hang on is hope the American electorate gets a grip after 2-4 years of Republinomics. It’s going to rough.

    Color me depressed that this is even close. And I mean, “clinically depressed.”

  55. 55.

    Corner Stone

    @Mark S.:

    Will this cost Obama the African-American vote?

    Well, I did an informal poll of some of my best friends, who are black, and the answer is yes. Yes it will.

  56. 56.

    PurpleGirl

    @Mark S.: I may be a middle-aged white woman but somehow I think that African-Americans understood exactly what VP Biden meant. What I’m wondering is: are white/European Americans going to understand that they too will end up in chains (credit debt, low pay, high bills, expensive housing, student loan debt, etc.) because of what the Republican plutocrats have in store for everyone.

  57. 57.

    John O

    Wasn’t it Larry Wilborn who said that Mitt getting help with the black vote, on another topic, and replied, “Yes, Jon, in the same way that jumping gets you closer to the sun.”?

    Cracked me up.

  58. 58.

    Baud

    This vice-president I think has exposed himself as a guy over and over and over again who has a deep seeded hatred for black people or the black culture.

  59. 59.

    Roger Moore

    @dance around in your bones:
    English definitely lacks a full set of terms for explaining family relationships. It’s something my Mandarin-speaking coworkers complain about more often than you might expect. They’re baffled that we use the same terms to describe our brothers’ children we do to describe our sisters’ children, and the same terms to describe one’s spouse’s siblings as to describe one’s siblings’ spouses. And “cousin” as a catch-all is just way too non-specific.

  63. 63.

    Mike in NC

    @efgoldman:

    I grew up with the Globe. My dad delivered it in the 30s and 40s. It was once a great paper – but then, so was WaPo. Both started downhill when the founding families got out – the Taylors for the Globe and Katherine Graham for WaPo. I still read the Globe (on line) out of lifetime habit, but it is now something between duty and ordeal.

    I read the Globe when I lived in Boston and read the Post when I lived in the DC suburbs for ~20 years. Both are shit now, shilling for their corporate masters.

  64. 64.

    catclub

    Speaking of racism. Two deputies were killed in St John parish in Louisiana, and you would think there was news blackout ( pun intended).

    The killers – white-wing militia loonies.

    No domestic terrorism here. Move along folks.

  70. 70.

    Corner Stone

    @efgoldman: I’m sure you’ll appreciate that I am making the home made pizza tonight, and am commenting here with all you fine folks on a Saturday night.
    Of course I am jazzed about pre-season Texans football.

  71. 71.

    Corner Stone

    @‘Niques: Nah, they seemed pretty upset about it.
    I figured it was Joe being Joe but it seemed like a bad time to make that argument. I just went with it out of respect.

  73. 73.

    S. cerevisiae

    Joe should tell them to quit whining.

    Also:

    “Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan” is an anagram for “My ultimate Ayn Rand Porn”.

    Pass it on.

  74. 74.

    Uncle Cosmo

    My LTE to the Glob:

    Re your call for an apology from VP Biden, I courteously invite your editorial writers to look up the acronym WATB, and then look in a mirror & note the striking resemblance thereto. I further invite them to look up the acronym STFU and begin practicing it, immediately.

  76. 76.

    1badbaba3

    @Baud: Which makes him the perfect complement to “that one”. I hear he has a deep-seeded hatred of White folks.

  77. 77.

    Liquid

    I take it nobody saw that pathetic op-ed by Michael Gerson in the papers today? I nearly gagged while reading it.

  78. 78.

    Corner Stone

    @‘Niques: I’m not sure I understand? There was a lot of talk about “Democratic plantations” and other terms I wasn’t really sure about.
    Even though we’ve been friends, best friends in fact, for a couple decades it’s almost like I’m kinda outside the circle looking in sometimes. It depresses me but I’ve come to understand that’s just the way it is on some things. It’s crazy that you can have sex in the same dorm room while the other person pretends to sleep, but still have separation when it comes to political terminology!
    I’m going to give them a couple days and see if we can’t revisit this issue and come to some kind of understanding.

  79. 79.

    Valdivia

    And for the foreign policy comment of the century: Ryan saying he has more experience in Foreign Policy than the President because he voted on foreign policy bills in the House and mostly to authorize the war in Iraq
    /head hist desk. many many many times.

  80. 80.

    Corner Stone

    @1badbaba3: Is it “seeded” or “seated”?
    I fear this could be the next generation scandal of “caddy corner” and “kitty corner”.
    FSM protect and keep us.

  81. 81.

    Baud

    @Corner Stone: Nice catch.

    Deep-seeded almost makes sense in a metaphorical way (though seeds sown too deeply won’t grow), but deep-seated is the term you’re looking for. The phrasal adjective (usually requiring a hyphen) simply indicates that something is seated (in the sense fixed firmly in place) deeply in something else. The OED defines it as having its seat far beneath the surface.1

  82. 82.

    Citizen_X

    I am first demanding an apology from the IWW for a hundred years of referring to “wage slavery.” Address my inappropriate-metaphor outrage, Wobblies!

    I am also angry at Iron Maiden for the song “Powerslave,” and anyone who has ever said any variation of “pussy-whipped,” and, uh, whoever wrote the song “Whipping Post.”

    That’s it for now.

  83. 83.

    Baud

    @Valdivia:

    What he meant:

    Ryan saying he has more experience in Foreign Policy than the President because he voted on foreign policy bills in the House and mostly to authorize the war in Iraq he’s much whiter.

  84. 84.

    Amir Khalid

    @efgoldman:
    I have no idea who in Singapore would take such an accusation seriously. As far as I know, American right-wing paranoia doesn’t really travel well. But mind you, it’s Dave Mustaine. The more knowledgeable metalheads down there will be familiar with his career history of being an asshole, and most of them don’t give a rat’s ass about his politics anyway. The main reactions to his rant would have been skepticism, indifference, and “Shaddup and play already!”

  85. 85.

    Citizen_X

    Moderation, hell! Try again:

    I am first demanding an apology from the IWW for a hundred years of referring to “wage slavery.” Address my inappropriate-metaphor outrage, Wobblies!

    I am also angry at Iron Maiden for the song “Powerslave,” and anyone who has ever said any variation of “pu$$y-whipped,” and, uh, whoever wrote the song “Whipping Post.”

    That’s it for now.

  86. 86.

    dmsilev

    @Valdivia:

    And for the foreign policy comment of the century: Ryan saying he has more experience in Foreign Policy than the President because he voted on foreign policy bills in the House and mostly to authorize the war in Iraq

    “I can see Iraq from my House”

  87. 87.

    Brachiator

    @Quaker in a Basement:

    Just who is it that Biden is supposed to apologize to?

    To white people in general, and to those special Balloon Juice trolls who get their panties in a twist whenever ABL posts something about race.

  89. 89.

    Josie

    @dance around in your bones: I’m not sure there is a term for it in English, but in Spanish she is your comadre. That’s why I love Spanish, because it is a really descriptive language.
    ETA: I just saw another post with a different term, so maybe mine is just border Spanish.

  92. 92.

    Corner Stone

    @Josie: I love Spanish because it’s a tonal language, where each vowel is enunciated. IMO, it’s a much easier language for children to learn than English, which uses so much extra shit for no good reason.

    ETA, not to mention I totally love listening to women from Spain pronounce words with the “sh” sound. Damn that’s good.

  93. 93.

    Amir Khalid

    @Corner Stone:
    I’m no metalhead, and I’ve never really followed Dave Mustaine’s career. But I do know a thing or two, here and there, about pop music history.

  96. 96.

    dmsilev

    @Valdivia: Thanks.

    Thinking back, the GOP has a pretty lousy record for picking running mates:

    Ryan
    Palin
    Cheney
    Kemp (probably the best of the bunch, which is a low bar to clear)
    Quayle

    I guess Cheney stands out because there’s no question where he should be positioned on the stupid-evil spectrum, but the mind boggles when looking at the others.

  97. 97.

    Evolving Deep Southerner

    @John O: Yes, yes, you went on at length about how depressed and pessimistic you were about everything the other night, Eeyore. If you’re trolling (paid or otherwise) it’s tiresome. If you’re not … dude, you need to take medicine, get laid or something.

  99. 99.

    Corner Stone

    @Maude: I haven’t made it yet. But I’m thinking about crumbled italian sausage, diced onions and sliced black olives.
    A thin crust dough, schparingly schmeared with some light unseasoned sauce, a schmattering of freshly grated muzz, and a schpritzing of olive oil to bake in all the flavor.

  100. 100.

    FlyingToaster

    The NYT buyout of the Globe was the end of the downhill slide; I had stopped subscribing in the early 90s when the only reporting about Somerville was the once-every-three-years murder. I stopped buying the Sunday paper when the NYT “revamped” the Sunday Magazine to take it from marginal utility (fashion on the cheap, recipes, offbeat decorating ideas, pages of ads for furniture restorers) to “dress yourself for only $1K” and “How to furnish a million-dollar loft” and “This person stopped being a hedge fund manager to go make artisanal cheese in Vermont.”

    AFAIK, only offices with waiting rooms and pearl-clutchers in Wellesley still subscribe to the Glob. And the comments (when allowed) are always worse than the Herald’s. [no link, won’t give those ratfuckers the time of day]

    Fuck the Globe with the pieces falling off of the Tobin.

  102. 102.

    amk

    @efgoldman:

    Also.

    Mustaine had previously come out as a full-fleged “birther” on libertarian conspiratory theorist Alex Jones’ radio show, suggesting Obama’s birth certificate is a fraud. He also praised then-candiate Rick Santorum in the Republican primary.

    Too.

    He joins Ted Nugent among contemporary musicians openly trafficking in conspiracy theories. But then, maybe being kicked out of Metallica just before they got really famous will make you think the world’s out to get you.

  103. 103.

    handy

    Yeah I’m seriously concerned about Biden’s remarks because obviously the knuckledragger Repukes have never used slavery imagery in describing things other than chattel slavery. Never ever.

  106. 106.

    Corner Stone

    @FlyingToaster:

    “This person stopped being a hedge fund manager to go make artisanal cheese in Vermont.”

    I’m kind of torn on these type stories actually. Because I love the idea of someone passionate about some single craft. But I agree it is kind of infuriating to see the glorification of someone who has absolutely no downside risk giving this kind of thing a go.
    I actually like reading those stories as it makes me think there’s some kind of escape available at some point.
    Although milking goats at 6:00AM every damn day doesn’t really make me too spry either, to tell the truth.

  109. 109.

    Corner Stone

    @David Koch:

    Why aren’t the manning/assange groupies supporting Puzzy?

    GTFO. I could not be more on the side of riotous P than I am currently.

  110. 110.

    AA+ Bonds

    It would be great if Biden’s politics matched his rhetoric, because most assuredly the American “law and order” right puts black men in chains, and the Democrats have given up on fighting fascism

  112. 112.

    AA+ Bonds

    Note also that wages are slavery

    Certainly a more pleasant slavery than that “enjoyed” by black Americans until the Civil War, but slavery indeed

    Rotting old Confederate propaganda to that effect appears to have frightened the left into downplaying that fact; I am not sure of the strategy of forfeiting before the players arrive to the field

  113. 113.

    Ronzoni Rigatoni

    @Josie: Similar word(s) in Italian, but, being a Siciliano, I may know how my folx pronounce it, but I wouldn’t attempt to spell it LOL

  114. 114.

    dance around in your bones

    @Josie: No, I know the term comadre, too. It just seems to fit better with my Mexican relatives than my pasty whites….doncha know.

  115. 115.

    Roger Moore

    @Corner Stone:
    I always wonder how one goes from Wall Street to artisanal cheese, or VC to wine making, which seems to be the Left Coast version. Are these people who secretly wanted to be making cheese or wine all along and were just doing the high finance stuff to fund their ambition, or are they people who got so burned out that they want to drop out and do something as far from their old job as possible?

  116. 116.

    Corner Stone

    @Maude: You’re welcome to come over. I just don’t eat as much as I used to so there’ll be plenty.
    I hate it when I wonder why I’m still chewing on a crust.
    The crust should be a tasty delivery system.

  122. 122.

    HobbesAI

    There is in fact an English word/phrase to describe the mother-in-law of your child: Co-parent-in-law.
    If you are female the mother-in-law of your child may also be called your co-mother-in-law(sometimes shortened to co-mother).

    Where I come from there’s no such word as asambhava.

  123. 123.

    Corner Stone

    @Roger Moore: Probably an interesting dissertation in there somewhere. I wonder if we can get some of that phat Solyndra government funding to produce a 3 year study?

  124. 124.

    1badbaba3

    @Corner Stone: Well, I ain’t got nunna that fancy book-learnin’, an’ I don’t know what corner this Catty ‘n Kitty are workin’. But I do know that muslin hates him some Whitey. First he’s comin’ for the guns. Then he’ll come for the money. After that the women. Then he – wait a sec, if he’s got guns, cash, and babes he really doesn’t need anything else.

    Sorry, not really that good at this conspiracy thing.

    Carry on.

  125. 125.

    Amir Khalid

    @efgoldman:
    As long as Dave Mustaine wasn’t agitating for 2nd amendment-style gun rights in Singapore, or saying anything to embarrass the political establishment there, the government wouldn’t give a damn what he said. His political opinions aren’t taken seriously in America, let alone on this side of the planet.

  126. 126.

    Corner Stone

    @Maude: Yeah, it’s a little depressing. I love to cook so much but over the last year or so my appetite has dwindled to about 1/4th of what I used to eat. And since my son doesn’t eat meat that means I’m really just cooking for me most of the time. So I’ve pretty much stopped because it’s such a hassle, and waste of money.
    But once in a while I get a craving and just make it happen.

  129. 129.

    Roger Moore

    @1badbaba3:

    First he’s comin’ for the guns. Then he’ll come for the money. After that the women. Then he – wait a sec, if he’s got guns, cash, and babes he really doesn’t need anything else.

    Maybe he doesn’t need anything else, but I’m pretty sure he’ll send us all to FEMA reeducation camps just because.

  130. 130.

    Roger Moore

    @Maude:

    As long as he doesn’t drop chewing gum on the sidewalk, he’ll be ignored, I guess.

    Or spit. Or feed pigeons. Or, heaven help him, take a durian on public transportation.

  132. 132.

    Steeplejack

    @Roger Moore:

    Quite simply, they are people who have enough money to indulge their whims. Most of us have, or could come up with, some quirky little dream gig. “I’d like to run a vintage guitar shop.” “I’d like to make jewelry and travel around to weekend arts fairs.” We don’t do those things because we don’t have the money to support ourselves while we “follow the dream.”

    These people have so much money that they can build or buy an artisanal cheese operation, run it until they break it or get bored with it and still have enough money left to be set for life. They’re working with a net that is just not available to you or me. Most of us are so busy just making ends meet that we don’t think about “Gee, what kind of wacky dream project would I like to do?”

  134. 134.

    Caz

    Questioning Obama’s birthplace isn’t racist. Telling a black crowd, in a southern accent, that Romney will put “y’all back in chains” is blatantly racist. Not the same thing at all.

    It’s like calling someone the n-word versus accusing a black person of being born in South Africa. One is racist and one is not.

    But, of course, you know this – it’s all part of the lying, BS game that you liberals like to play, and you LOVE being the victim, when in fact you’re the ones viciously attacking every conservative. Bunch of hypocrites.

  135. 135.

    dance around in your bones

    @xian:

    Really, I do NOT submit comments over and over again, I swear! Sometimes a person just hits submit ONCE and {{{{{{doo doo dooo dooo}}}} weird things happen.

    Cross my heart, hope to die; stick a needle in my eye.

    It has been FAR more frequent since the last site ‘re-do’ , IMNSHO.

  136. 136.

    Citizen_X

    @David Koch: Hey, good to see! That girl’s a Republican: Republican t-shirt, Republican salute.

    What? Oh. I meant Spanish-Civil-War-type Republican. Or, as American Republicans would call them, dirtycommieredskillthemallnowplease, Mr. Franco.

  141. 141.

    Corner Stone

    @Steeplejack: Dude. Stop stepping on my NEA grant application. I’m proposing to study these “artisanal” operations to determine how they come to be, what drives their locus, and ultimately why they succeed or fail.
    I’d appreciates yas not cornholing me on this. Thanks.

  142. 142.

    dance around in your bones

    @Corner Stone:

    I always tell people that Spanish is so easy to learn (to READ, especialmente) because the vowels ALWAYS stay the same…. Ah, Eh, Eee, Oh, Oooooooooooo.

    Phonetically.

    At which point their eyes glaze over.

  143. 143.

    Corner Stone

    @dance around in your bones: por ejemplo – consuegra.
    kahn soo eh grah

    Everything means something. If I were a bilingual kid growing up and someone tried to teach me how to say something like “school” I’d slap them dead in the fucking face for wasting my time.

  145. 145.

    GG

    @Corner Stone: Um, no, Spanish isn’t a tonal language. Vietnamese and Chinese are tonal. What you like, I’d guess, is that “vowels is vowels” in Spanish (Italian, and most other IE languages, even the ones with weird zh sounds). We English speakers just schwa, schwa, schwa all the time.

  146. 146.

    dance around in your bones

    @Corner Stone:

    You’d have to write it like “skuul” or something.

    Really, English is so stupid. I used to tell my Spanish-speaking (ok, Mexican) friends that learning English as a second language is a hell of a lot harder than learning Spanish as a 2nd &etc.

    So I have a lot of admiration for the people who DO learn English as a second language.

    Plus, I think it should just be standard to have every kid in ‘skuuls’ in “A’merka” learn a second language. Hell. I don’t care if they forget it by the time they get to college or whatever, at least the exposure is a good thing.

    Anyway, when I was a kid we had to take a second language, do P.E. every day, recess twice a day, some kind of science and higher math…

    oh, forget it. I’ll just fasten this onion to my belt and shut up.

  149. 149.

    mainmati

    @Litlebritdifrnt: I realize that you, being British, don’t recognize collective nouns, which is fine but you need to recognize that this may cause puzzlement in the Colonies when you say that “the Boston Globe were…” This sounds bizarre to Americans, as if there were many Boston Globe newspapers running around Boston. Having lived in England for 7 years I get it, in your world (likewise with the French spelling) but the strange pluralism doesn’t really work here. So here, it’s the Government is going to XYZ not the Government are going to XYZ.

    Having said that, I am all for language experiment.

  150. 150.

    dance around in your bones

    @Corner Stone:

    And very stylish it was! Plus, the bumblebees. Five for a quarter.

    ETA:(at the school) My story begins in nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say “dickety” because the Kaiser had stolen our word “twenty”. I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles. (the children laugh) What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that’s your problem! Now, I’d like to digress from my prepared remarks to discuss how I invented the terlet…

  152. 152.

    1badbaba3

    @catclub: Shit is hinky enough already. My guess is they want to keep it on the down low to keep the echo chamber from going into hyperdrive 24-7 with the “They’re comin ‘fer ‘r guuuuunz!!!” thang. That way it becomes a total diversion away from the very public total ass whuppin’ Team Obama is layin’ on the GOP.

    It is as important as it is instructive, that this be seen daily with as little interruption as possible. They must be crushed, humiliated, nay, dare I say even refudiated thoroughly, utterly, completely. So that nothing so vile can ever grow there again.

    Amen.

    Now pass the dutchie on the optical side.

  153. 153.

    GG

    @Corner Stone: Possibly. I took Spanish in 5th grade. At least I can trill my R’s, but that’s still the level of my actual Spanish ability.

    I’ve been informed by the practical linguist in the house that the problem with English for ppl trying to learn it is that we have so Many damn vowel sounds. Also too, the prepositions which make a zillion differences in what verbs mean.

  154. 154.

    dance around in your bones

    @GG:

    The one thing I had a hard time with in Spanish was the genderizing of nouns – why should a hand be female (la mano) and a breast/chest be male (el pecho) – I mean WTF, over?

    I could go on and on, but I’ll just stop there.

    (OK, I had a neighbor who went to the kind of intensive, live-in Spanish school I always dreamed about going to but could not afford….he spent the whole time arguing with the teacher about why Spanish made no goddamn sense. Sigh.)

  155. 155.

    Corner Stone

    @GG: English just sucks. I’ve never been exposed to the “Eastern” languages (like any variety of Chinese, etc) but compared to all other “Latin based” languages, the language we call English is silly.

  156. 156.

    Brachiator

    @Caz:

    Questioning Obama’s birthplace isn’t racist

    You almost have a point.

    Questioning Obama’s birthplace is asinine and infantile. It is quite often the product of a disturbed mind.

    To continue to question his birthplace despite the facts and common sense indicates that the questioner is at best racist, and at worst cynically manipulating the racial anxiety of the gullible for craven political gain.

    Or, as in your case, the person is simply a fool.

  157. 157.

    Caz

    It’s not more assinine to question Obama’s birthplace than it is to question whether Romney paid taxes for ten years.

    Is it basically racist to question or criticize anything concerning Obama just because he’s black? Are blacks not allowed to be questioned or criticized? Is that how far the pendulum has swung in the other direction?

    Obama is a terrible president, a liar, a hypocrite, and an arrogant, elitist bastard. So I guess that makes me a racist, eh?

    What about the 95+% of blacks that voted for Obama – you’re telling me that their votes were based on race? What other explanation is there for almost every single black voter voting for a black candidate? Clearly, they were race-based votes, so why don’t you have a problem with that racism?

    I guess racism is a one-way street – only whites can be racist, and only conservatives can be racist.

    And believe me, I’m no Romney fan, he sucks.

  158. 158.

    xian

    speaking for all liberals, I do not love being a victim, but I do enjoy hearing the ignorant squeals of racist mentally challenged trolls when they get smacked with a clue-by-four and I am very much looking forward to the cavalcade of wingnut bewilderment we’ll see starting election night 2012.

  161. 161.

    Brachiator

    @Caz:

    It’s not more assinine to question Obama’s birthplace than it is to question whether Romney paid taxes for ten years.

    No, you little shit. There is no rational question about Obama’s birthplace. None. Questions about it are on the same level as a belief in Bigfoot, alien invasion and other foolish conspiracy theories.

    Here’s the clue. Birther’s don’t ask a question. They proceed from the notion that Obama was born in Kenya, and there is nothing that could possibly refute their belief. And fools like you continue to feed their delusion.

    With respect to Romney, you are trying to change the argument. The plain fact is that Romney’s own father set the standard with respect to disclosure of tax returns. And Romney himself, in past political campaigns demanded that his opponents release their tax returns even though he never produced his own. And now that he is vying for national office, he is trying to pull this stunt again, and is peevish that it is not working for him.

    Even Nelson Rockefeller coughed up his returns when Ford tapped him to be VP. Romney is being a dick over a trivial issue, but he is also foolishly defying a reasonable standard.

    Obama is a terrible president, a liar, a hypocrite, and an arrogant, elitist bastard. So I guess that makes me a racist, eh?

    This at least makes you stupid and incapable of making reasoned judgments.

    Let’s see now; 95 percent of blacks voted for Bill Clinton. And more than 75 percent of Asians and Latinos voted for Obama. By your twisted logic we must conclude that Bill Clinton hates white people.

    Oh yeah, back in the 1960 election, more than 80 percent of Irish American in Massachusetts voted for John Kennedy. These people obviously hated Anglo Saxons. And the press has covered it up for years.

    No matter how you slice it, your problem is not that you are a racist, it is that you are an ignorant troll.

    Your arguments never get any better than the crap that one might hear from a dull, sullen ten year old.

    Or an average night on Fox News.

  162. 162.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Caz: Like every other wingnut, you are an insult to the intelligence of any phylum with neural systems more complex than flatworms. Whoever called you a “little shit” is flattering you, for even little shits have uses in the greater scheme of things, while assholes like you do not.

    You seriously need to fuck off & die. Better yet, omit the “fuck off” part & just return your constituent elements to the planet, which will be happy to find less embarrassing & more constructive uses for them.

  163. 163.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @GG: Dingdingdingdingwehaveawinner! Listen carefully to a native English speaker & you will quickly realize that the language has no pure vowels–every one is a diphthong, i.e., starts out as one sound & ends as another. Hell, listen to Rmoney try to speak French–he actually does a fairly decent job with the consonants, including the glottal “r”, but the impure vowels give him away instantaneously. The first step for anyone who wants to speak any European language without sounding like a Yank is to learn to clip the vowels without even thinking. It’s the first drill my first-year French teacher put us through back in 8th grade, & it’s paid dividends in my travels ever since. (Funny thing, the only vowel sound I’ve consistently tripped over in the dozen or so Eurotongues I’ve putzed around with is a diphthong–the Czech “ou”, which curiously enough is almost identical to the Canadian “ou” in “about”, which I’ve never been able to pronounce to save my nonexistent soul…)

  164. 164.

    AxelFoley

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Nugent, Trump and that Megadeath idiot (among other Righties) have all made outrageous comments about President Obama. Nothing in Biden’s chains comment was remotely controversial. If Biden or Obama apologizes, I can’t vote for them. Would show them to be too spineless for my liking.

    Seriously? If they apologize–which they’ve shown NO indication they will–you’ll not vote for them? Because of that?

    GTFOHWTS

  166. 166.

    Dennis

    Seriously, do you guys want to go with the ridiculous assertion that Biden was advocating that Wall Street remained “chained”, or even “shackled”?

    “They want to unshackle Wall Street. We want to keep Wall Street shackled.”

    “Unchained” wasn’t a poor choice of words, it was exactly the word he wanted to say. That’s why he hammed it up, obviously prepared it ahead of time by having reached up and clenching his fist as he emphasized the word, and then immediately going into his bad impression of Uncle Remus to repeat the word.

    Biden won’t apologize for the remark, we know that, but he should for the bullshit and cowardly excuse both he and Stephanie gave denying there was any reference at all to slavery.

  167. 167.

    Dennis

    @Quaker in a Basement:

    Just who is it that Biden is supposed to apologize to?

    A white guy asking that question, thinking it’s a question worth pondering and one with no apparently easy answer, here is one from a black man:

    VP Joe Biden’s Racial Remarks Need an Apology, Not More Excuses.
    –Dr. Boyce Watkins

    Anything short of an apology proves the obvious: That the disrespect of black people doesn’t matter to Democrats and that a powerful white Democrat can say damn near anything to us, knowing that no black politician in the White House is ever going to stand up to him. If Biden were a black man making all of these irresponsible remarks, he’d be out on his butt no matter how clean and articulate he might be.

    Perhaps we aren’t being respected because we simply don’t demand it. Joe Biden was wrong and he owes African Americans an apology. If he were to say something similar to any other group of constituents, his hat would be in his hand and he’d be back-pedaling. Black people must learn to stop excusing ignorance and disrespect, even when it comes from our so-called friends.

  168. 168.

    Chyron HR

    @Dennis:

    I think what I love best about this fake scandal is the repeated insistence that Biden (who, in liberally biased reality, hails from Delaware) somehow has an accent like Boss Hogg. But if Messiah White Horse Romney said it, it must be true, right?

  170. 170.

    1badbaba3

    @Caz: Guess? You”guess”? Seriously? Centuries of doccumented, empirical evidence and you’re going to take a flyer, go out on a limb, risk your professional and societal standing with your bold and courageous “guess”. Wow. I stand in awe.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls, Guys and Gals, we are in the prescence of greatness.

    Enjoy.

    And talk among yourselves.

  171. 171.

    Dennis

    @AxelFoley:

    Bitter Boyce at it again, I see. Not surprising coming from him, though.

    Interesting comment on a blog post written by someone who calls herself ‘Angry Black Lady’, don’t you think, Axel?

    Should I assume you dismiss everything she says based on her bitterness and anger?

    Could you explain, please?

  172. 172.

    Carl Nyberg

    So pandering to Neo-Confederates is OK, but pointing out that a political alliance between Neo-Confederates and corporatists is going to be bad for Blacks is not OK?

  173. 173.

    Dennis

    @Carl Nyberg:

    Carl, when you precede a supposition or question with the word “So” like you did, it alerts everyone right off the bat that what comes next is going to be a dishonest distortion of what was asserted.

  174. 174.

    1badbaba3

    Also too, for those who would like an apology for what Crazy Uncle Joe said the other day, please form a single-file line. My rusty pitchfork will be with you momentarily. That is all.

  176. 176.

    Lojasmo

    @Caz:

    AA people regularly vote for the democratic candidate. You say Romney sucks, so you must have at least a modicum of awareness.

    Which formerly banned troll are you? BoB, kola-noscopy? It’s so difficult to keep you fuckers straight.

  177. 177.

    Matt McIrvin

    @AHH onna Droid: Barnicle styled himself as an urban, proletarian, Roman Catholic type, though, to the extent that he liked to sneer about how the very Cambridge totebag liberals who were the Globe’s presumed audience were all hippies who didn’t bathe. I suppose it was their way of showing balance.

  178. 178.

    Brachiator

    @Dennis:

    Biden won’t apologize for the remark, we know that, but he should for the bullshit and cowardly excuse both he and Stephanie gave denying there was any reference at all to slavery.

    Let’s see, now.

    Workers of the world unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains.

    The reference to chains is not limited to slavery. And even here, to assert that any reference to black historical experience, especially one in solidarity with black people, is racist, is stupid and insulting.

    There are people who get nervous when there are more than three black people in the room, or even on their TV screen. And for many of these scared little lambs, post racial means that wherever possible, black people and other nonwhites are erased from political discussion.

    And let’s get to the bottom line. If Romney and Ryan win, the entire middle class will be put into economic chains. This is the clear central message of Biden’s remarks.

    And yet, small minded dopes want to get hung up on apologies and phoney charges of racism.

    Get a fucking grip.

  180. 180.

    Dennis

    If Romney and Ryan win, the entire middle class will be put into economic chains. This is the clear central message of Biden’s remarks.

    Really, Brachiator? Then why did he ham it up right at that moment, reaching for the sky, clenching his fist, elongating ‘Unchained’? Why the Uncle Remus accent for that reference only, none before and none after? Have you ever, even once, heard Biden speak that way? Ever?

    I’ve heard Stephanie Cutter and Robert Gibbs’ excuses and denials, you don’t need to repeat them. I’m saying their excuse is insulting, not that Biden won’t apologize. Crap, Toure apologized, but who cares? It’s the denials that don’t make sense that are what’s bad here, and more cowardly.

  181. 181.

    Patricia Kayden

    @AxelFoley: If they apologized I’d have to think twice about voting for them. I’m in a blue state so my non-vote wouldn’t matter. I need Obama/Biden to stick up for themselves and not apologize when they speak the truth. If Biden apologized for the chains statement, they’d be hounded by the Rightwing to apologize for everything else and it would never stop.

    They need to flip the script and talk about the crazy comments by Rightwingers and demand apologies from the other side.

  182. 182.

    AxelFoley

    @Dennis:

    Interesting comment on a blog post written by someone who calls herself ‘Angry Black Lady’, don’t you think, Axel?
    Should I assume you dismiss everything she says based on her bitterness and anger?
    Could you explain, please?

    Boyce has a history of ripping on President Obama. His comments don’t come as a shock to me.

  183. 183.

    AxelFoley

    @Brachiator:

    Let’s see, now.
    Workers of the world unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains.
    The reference to chains is not limited to slavery. And even here, to assert that any reference to black historical experience, especially one in solidarity with black people, is racist, is stupid and insulting.
    There are people who get nervous when there are more than three black people in the room, or even on their TV screen. And for many of these scared little lambs, post racial means that wherever possible, black people and other nonwhites are erased from political discussion.
    And let’s get to the bottom line. If Romney and Ryan win, the entire middle class will be put into economic chains. This is the clear central message of Biden’s remarks.
    And yet, small minded dopes want to get hung up on apologies and phoney charges of racism.
    Get a fucking grip.

    Thank you. I suspected Dennis was a concern troll and now that has been confirmed.

  184. 184.

    Dennis

    @AxelFoley:

    Boyce has a history of ripping on President Obama. His comments don’t come as a shock to me.

    Uhh, but that’s not what you said, Axel. You specifically called him “Bitter Boyce”.

    Please explain how you think whatever bitterness he has nullifies his opinion now.

  188. 188.

    xian

    @Dennis: you fail basic logic. he was turning an idiom on its head. standard rhetorical fare. he simply triggered the republican fainting coach racist immune system.

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