Serious moral conservative Mike Huckabee:
“From the spotlights of political offices and media perches, it may appear that the demand for Akin’s head is universal in the party. I assure you it is not. There is a vast, but mostly quiet army of people who have an innate sense of fairness and don’t like to see a fellow political pilgrim bullied. If Todd Akin loses the Senate seat, I will not blame Todd Akin. He made his mistake, but was man enough to admit it and apologize. I’m waiting for the apology from whoever the genius was on the high pedestals of our party who thought it wise to not only shoot our wounded, but run over him with tanks and trucks and then feed his body to the liberal wolves.”[…..]
“Now is the time to focus on electing a conservative Senate Majority. And if the NRSC and RNC and the money-rich PACS won’t help Todd Akin get us to the majority, then we’ll do it without them.”
Maybe Akin really is in it to win it. I wouldn’t trust a Rasmussen poll on this since most conservative elites want Akin out.
that’s not an “innate sense of fairness”, that’s just tribalism.
Villago Delenda Est
The only apology I’d ever entertain from a Theofascist shit like Todd Akin (or Mike Huckabee) is a Captain Needa apology.
And what pragmatism said about the mythical “innate sense of fairness”. These people are about as unfair and bigoted as you can find, anywhere.
From Huckabee’s point of view, what did Akin say that was wrong? I still don’t get that. What mistake did he even make to begin with?
Hillbilly Huck and Arctic Huckster start an Akin feud! Love it. (Though it won’t really happen. But it should).
Too bad Huckabee’s voice is also tainted as ‘not a true conservative’ for many Republican faithful. I must say I did expect more of this kind of messaging, though. From more people.
I’ve come to the conclusion that if you are voting Republican in national elections, and you are not very wealthy (with lots of capital gains/dividend income) or a racist, then you must be a moron.
As Foghorn Leghorn famously said, “it just doesn’t add up”.
It sounds like Huckabee is insinuating that the Mormons and the big money people are engaging in a Judas-like betrayal of True Christian Todd Akin. That is what he’s saying, isn’t it?
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Interesting point from Huckabee about attacking someone who made mistake isn’t leadership. Mittens the corporate drone in action once again. Not to mention Mittens did it in such a way to make he clear he only feels Akin guilty of truth telling.
The Other Chuck
So Mike, just for our reference, can you go ahead and repeat what it is that Akin said that caused everyone to pile on, and do you defend it?
I’m sure the crack team of Fox News will be on the case and asking him that lickety split.
Akin was a little too up front about the degree to which the Republican Party hates women.
I also heard some moran blame the mainstream media for beating up on poor Akins.
Nothing about how the GOP is panicking to hide this guy away in the attic.
I expect someone to inevitably blame Obama, any moment now.
Does Huck mean a mistake like his in releasing the murderer?
His mistake was using the word ‘legitimate’ instead of ‘forcible.’ That’s it. That’s his whole mistake.
Look what was just on twitter
Looks like the speculation over here and other places that Mittens has been holding out on his Church might be correct.
No, no. Even if you ARE rich beyond the dreams of avarice, you’re still retarded. Because at a time when you’re doing the best that you ever have before, you’re risking the complete collapse of society (with all the unpleasant ramifications that has) and for what? One more drop on an ocean of money you can’t even count anymore?
It’s my opinion that the elites running the GOP are every bit as deluded, insane and unaware that they’re playing with fire as the tubes they’re supposedly conning.
Being a Professional Victim(tm) means never taking a day off from whinging. I wonder whose Freedoms George Soros is stealing, today?
This is the guy who was the nice, affable, kinda charming fellow in the 2008 race.
It breaks my heart to see my beloved Dixiecrat party taken over by a Mormon and a Papist. Breaks my heart. Go Todd Go
I may be wrong about this, but I am serious about it….it may be that Akin asks ‘THEM’ to get out of the GOP in the near future. He is closer to the base than most of the people calling for his withdrawal.
The inherent communism of the pack is demonstrated in their mandatory health care plan.
Rape Now, Rape Tomorrow, Rape Forever
I still believe that he took the UBS amnesty and that the tithes are just a smokescreen. Mitt’s father revealed his tithes when he set the precedent of candidates releasing their tax returns.
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
“Romney won’t support Todd Akin because he’s not a true Christian. Can we really trust a Mormon?”
Come on, folks, these rats aren’t going to fuck themselves.
Doesn’t Huck know that liberal wolves are vegans?
They might indeed have an “an innate sense of fairness” but they lack the ability to recognize someone who is too much of a dumbfuck to be a United States Senator full stop.
Rubicons: how do they fucking work Mr. Huckabee?
@Litlebritdifrnt: But hasn’t Mitt already said publicly that he gives 10% to the church? Unless he’s a liar (and that would NEVER happen), how would releasing tax returns create a privacy issue if they merely confirm what he already said? That’s a really weak attempt, but hey, thanks Mitt for keeping the story alive another day.
I suspect it’s actually a combo-platter. He took the tax amnesty and repatriated the hidden income. But didn’t tithe on it.
He looks like a tax cheat to most of America. And a tithe-cheat to his Mormon brethren.
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
I think it’s interesting that they’re calling it a mistake that he SAID it, but not denying the content of the message. In other words, rape is rape, period…but we still believe she shouldn’t be able to have an abortion if she does get pregnant. They’re leaving off that second part.
And that’s what they’re trying to cover up.
@gussie: “BING, BING, BING, We’ve got a winner!”
He minimized rape with a poor word choice.
(also, he exposed a rift in the GOP over abortion exemptions that was supposed to be kept under wraps, shhhhhh)
Enhanced Voting Techniques
And by the way, Huck owes me an new irony meter. Modern conservative Christianity is nothing more than an exercise in shooting your wounded.
No doubt the tithes are a smokescreen, that is why it took him many months to come up with it as an excuse. It is the most reasonable excuse that he can come up with that does not make it sound like he has something to hide.
the real cat that the GOP doesn’t want out of the bag is that they have been pulling the long con on the anti-choice crowd for 15 years so they can milk them for every last penny before they pitch ’em under the bus. Akin got overly zealous in his grifter pitch and may have blown any chance they’ll get that last penny out of MO before the rubes have noticed they don’t have any more funds left in their bank accounts.
It is my guess that that is the reason that Harry Reid is so pissed off at him. No so much the tax side but the tithing side.
The point is not that he’s afraid of revealing how much he gives to the church. The point might be that he’s afraid of revealing how little.
Does anyone know whether the 10% they’re supposed to give is based on federal taxable income? If so, you can see the problem: Other Mormons might have no problem with him engaging in ingenious tricks to cheat Uncle Sam.
But if he used those same tricks to evade the tithing requirements, and the Mormon hierarchy knew it, what are the flocks of simple folk in Utah and elsewhere supposed to think? Imagine the scenario of Mormons who are paying the full 10% based on their payroll expressing outrage on TV that a huckster was able to claim he was a Mormon leader yet evaded the same requirement through accounting tricks.
Could be devastating to the Church, and devastating to his candidacy. I mean, if the man’s own fellow church members can’t trust him, how can you?
I’m not saying this is what happened. But it seems to be a reasonably plausible scenario that fits the known facts.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Felinious Wench: Well there is a bigger picture of hear of what would a president Romney be like and the Republicans just had a taste. The Darth Vader school of leadership.
I am calling for this to be turned into a tag.
Also, too, Mitt has indicated that he’s never paid less than 13% taxes and 20% when he adds in charity.
Even if you deduct the 10% tithe, the 13% tax on the net 90% of income plus the tithe adds up to 21.7% paid.
Maybe Mitt was rounding down when he said he never paid less than 20% combined. Or maybe he and some other richie-riches have secretly negotiated a top tier Tithe percentage that is lower than the standard 10%?
Wouldn’t that undermine the Mormon unity thing around giving???
Again, I’m speculating. But it’s irresponsible not to.
Villago Delenda Est
15 years? They’ve been doing it since the Reagan Administration, at least.
@Litlebritdifrnt: Ahah. More stink of hiding things.
So glad Mitt added the tithe issue to those we can talk about. Because he brought it up first, now!
Romney campaign in full flow: distracting attention from his taxes by putting the spotlight on his Mormonism. Of course Mitt doesn’t have anything positive to run on, and doesn’t want to talk about anything, so creating distractions that don’t actually make things worse is pretty much impossible.
Good point. If the church leadership suspected that Mittens was stiffing them then they’d just call him in and make him sit on the Spike of Sorrow – or whatever it is that they do.
“There is a vast, but mostly quiet army…”
The return of the Silent Majority!
Maybe, and that would be embarrassing so I can see that being a part of it. However I think that the real reason is his tax evasion in Swiss accounts. Back in 2009 there was an amnesty granted to the rich pukes who agreed to declare the income that they’d been hiding in Switzerland. They’d pay their taxes and there wouldn’t be any criminal charges. The U.S. was just about to make the Swiss cough up the banking info that would let them find out who’d been defrauding the U.S. government for years by not reporting the income, so that was a really good deal.
Unfortunately for R-Money, releasing tax returns that say, “The only reason I’m not a felon is that I took advantage of a sweetheart deal to keep the IRS from prosecuting me for my years of tax evasion that I perpetrated on top of all the Byzantine loopholes I took advantage of on my returns.” is even less of a winning political strategy than anything that people will speculate is in those returns.
Villago Delenda Est
He’ll be forced to drag around the “Stone of Shame”.
Oh, wait…that’s the Stonecutters!
Commenting at Balloon Juice Since 1937
In what way? Saying what he believes? This was not a gotcha type thing. He stated how he feels and most people think he should never be seen in public as a result.F U Fuckabee.
I think Huck has a point. Akin isn’t some outlier extremist in the GOP – he’s just a not-very-slick member of their ideological mainstream. His sin was being a bit clumsy in his rhetoric and way too honest in the substance of his remarks. He’s willing to fly a flag that most of the party honchos would rather hide in the attic. They’re kissing the ass of these crazies, but they don’t want that act plastered all over the media. Their game is double-talk on abortion “exceptions” – like Romney – but with true-believer Ryan on the ticket, Akin’s “badly worded” honesty – which is the extent of his “gaffe”, i.e. saying a bit too bluntly what is GOP “truth” among the hardcore – was inconvenient and couldn’t have been more poorly timed. That’s it. The substance of Akin’s sickening positon on abortion and rape, i.e that rape and incest victims should be forced by the state to bring the product of their rapist’s sperm to term, is official GOP doctrine. Akin’s mistake was bringing it dramatically out of the shadows of platform committee meetings that most “normal” people don’t pay attention to (because, of course, life is too short.)
@Villago Delenda Est:
Six of one..
Edited slightly in attempt to escape moderation-
I think Huck has a point. Akin isn’t some outlier extremist in the GOP – he’s just a not-very-slick member of their ideological mainstream. His sin was being a bit clumsy in his rhetoric and way too honest in the substance of his remarks. He’s willing to fly a flag that most of the party honchos would rather hide in the attic. They’re kissing the ass of these crazies, but they don’t want that act plastered all over the media. Their game is double-talk on abortion “exceptions” – like Romney – but with true-believer Ryan on the ticket, Akin’s “badly worded” honesty – which is the extent of his “gaffe”, i.e. saying a bit too bluntly what is GOP “truth” among the hardcore – was inconvenient and couldn’t have been more poorly timed. That’s it. The substance of Akin’s sickening positon on abortion and rape, i.e that rape and insest victims should be forced by the state to bring the product of their rapist’s sperm to term, is official GOP doctrine. Akin’s mistake was bringing it dramatically out of the shadows of platform committee meetings that most “normal” people don’t pay attention to (because, of course, life is too short.)
Are the tithes based or gross income or AGI? If the latter then I am guessing he paid nothing in 2009 because of the carried over losses from 2008. Just my little wild ass speculation.
Wow, Huckabee is speaking at the convention next week. Things could get interesting.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
And they do this just at Mitt is having Christian troubles.
If you listen closely you can hear the sound of Karol Rove weeping.
Those geniuses would include John Ashcroft, Sarah Palin, and your own party’s current presidential ticket, Mike. Go ahead, call those folks out by name. But hold off a few minutes first, because the popcorn line is moving kinda slowly.
@Villago Delenda Est:
Yea, you are right but I think George the Lesser really was the one who perfected the con on the religious right. With Rove’s help he surrounded himself with more true believers like Ashcroft than any other candidate before him. And then just proceeded to ignore them as long as they didn’t interfere with the Cheney/Halliburton war machine. He didn’t even make much of an effort at the appearance of piousness.
Culture of Truth
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If it were the Swiss amnesty thing, I feel like somehow that would have already leaked. Maybe IRS employees would keep quiet, as they’re legally required to do, but surely others would know, including present and former UBS employees. They too would be subject to confidentiality requirements, but wouldn’t something this juicy about a presidential candidate at least be revealed to a reporter by some source requesting anonymity? We haven’t heard even that. Just thinking out loud.
Yes. But if you add in that he didn’t tithe on the money he stashed in Switzerland, its a delicious two-fer.
Culture of Truth
He’s right, of course.
Deny deflect, project and accuse and has always worked for them before. The rise of the Tea Party, Obama’s mad skillz, the browning of America, the Intertubes, whatever, has got them spooked, now they’re piling on each like a bunch of wild… well, like Democrats.
To Huckabee, what Akin said was perfectly copacetic with the current GOP’s position. Without the “legitimate rape” language, it would have gone completely unnoticed. If I were a Rightwing nut like Huckabee, I would be upset too by the Repub Party’s freak out too.
I guess this will the bellwether race of serious conservative elites vs teapublicanvigelicals. Like the rest of them.
In the same vein as Huckabee’s defense of Akin: A “conservative Christian” group called American Vision says that prominent conservative Republicans calling for Akin to get out of the race is tantamount to political gang rape. Yeah, really.
Excuse me while I go puke in the corner…
This is going to end up being the 1968 Convention for the GOP.
Mayhem and pandemonium and the slipping of the mask.
The fire this time.
Tithes? Like hell. That’s just the best whitewash he can think of to not release the 2009 taxes or anything that would reveal that he is an ADMITTED FELON, possibly in more ways than the ways he took amnesty for.
Think about it.
Mitt Romney told you something.
Based on your prior experience, how likely is it that just this once he’s told you the truth?
With added bonus that many of the participants will be packing heat.
@Villago Delenda Est:
This is a thing of beauty.
Ah, the sweet, sweet smell of desperation. When racists and forced birthers complain about racism and rape, pretty soon you gotta look out for the holocaust analogies too. Evul librulz makin’ me wear yellow stars and pink triangles! Whos the fascist now?! Also.
Which one, the rapist murderer or the mentally ill cop-killing murderer?
Yes, that’s right, Huckabee is such an astute judge of character that he released two different guys who went on to murder again.
Wow, they didn’t even call it legitimate rape.
I agree with Applejinx that if the Romney campaign says it’s about his religion, then it’s about something else.
Gotta go with the amnesty campaign (among other things). No way a bunch of rich people were cheating and Romney wouldn’t be in on it. Not to join in would have been un-American in his eyes.
That last line calls to mind some spin he recently puked up, doesn’t it?
If this turns into right-wing fundamentalists vs. all other Republicans, there won’t be enough popcorn in the world to keep us all supplied.
The Moar You Know
I said this here earlier today. He is PISSED at Romney. He’s going to stay in for spite even if he ends up pulling less than 5%, I think he doesn’t give a fuck how much damage he does to the party or their senatorial aspirations.
@The Moar You Know:
Now the Dems will be able to hang both Ryan and Akin around Romney’s neck. It’ll almost be like he had balls.
@Mnemosyne: It will be a battle between the opportunists and the true believers. Right now, we’re seeing the first stage of this-the unmasking of the opportunists.
It won’t. Huckabee doesn’t have enough support in the Republican base.
They should hand out prizes for comments like this. Good work.
Two things. I wonder if Huckabee will bring this up when he speaks to the convention. I want to hear him say to the delegates on the floor “Who here agrees with me that Todd Akin is being bullied for doing nothing wrong?” When the whole floor erupts with cheers, I will be rolling on the floor with tears running down my cheeks from laughing.
On Romney and the tithe issue. Didn’t the 2010 returns he released indicate what he tithed? If so, he is already a hypocrite for using that as an excuse not to release any other taxes. If not, then why would releasing other returns indicate that?
“Da Tea Partiers aren’t here to create disorder, dey’re here to preserve disorder.”
My understanding is that the returns he released do say that he tithed about 10%. Nobody gave a shit. This is just the latest in a long line of lame excuses he’s been trotting out the last couple months.
@Mark S.: So is somebody going to actually have the integrity to say to him, “That is a bunch of BS, since you already have released how much you tithed the church?”
David in NY
@Mark S.: One return 2010, really. As I recall, 8%, due to an “underestimate,” to be made up in 2011 (currently only estimated). Not sure how that 8% was figured.
First of all, fuck Mike Huckabee with my rusty pitchfork™ ten ways of Sunday. What fucking ‘mistake’ did Todd Akin make? Saying what Republicans actually think, and then doubling/tripling down on it? Using his outside-his-head-voice when he should have used his inside one? There is not a dime’s worth of difference between Akin’s policies and Paul Ryan’s, which, I guess, actually supports Huckabee’s convoluted point that the party threw Akin’s under the bus. The Republicans had to do it, though, because Akin’s comments were just too plain-spoken for them.
Secondly, release the Kraken, Mitt!
Davis X. Machina
He has money. He can buy, or rent, balls from someone else.
The Romney presidency was supposed to be a turn-key operation. You spend a little bit more, compared to doing it yourself, sure, but if you have the money, it’s easier this way. Outsource it to contractors, pay them their vig, that goes without saying, and then take delivery.
I was thinking the same thing. If in some years he was able to reduce AGI to zero and paid no tax or tithe.
Especially infuriating because as Bishop he, as I understand it, would have been responsible for enforcing the tithing and punish those who didn’t tithe or cheated.
I still think a number of the other possibilities- amnesty, Son of Boss, deals with the unsavory are probably true too.
Cris (without an H)
Everyone of foreign race
Will love Mitt Romney’s face
When he brings to the world dis-order
Studly Pantload, the emotionally unavailable unicorn
Romney Campaign Forbids Local Reporter From Asking About Akin, Abortion
The folks at Patriot news, aka faux news, have released the name of the Navy Seal who wrote the book on the Ben Ladin raid. Glad to see the Faux folks are concerned about the safety of our military.
@Studly Pantload, the emotionally unavailable unicorn: Yup… Chris Matthews just covered that.
I have a mostly serious question about Mormon theology. Hopefully someone has some insight.
As I understand it, if a Mormon male does the right stuff and pays his tithe when he dies he get a planet of his own over which he rules as God. (Harold Bloom has argued that when Mormons claim that they have given up polygamy they lie, because according to the theology polygamy is part of how you achieve godhood).
So why do they baptize all these dead people- and devote a huge amount of time and money to doing so? A dead person can no longer do the stuff required to achieve godhood.
Are they to populate the planets? Its natural to think, “well, it’s wacky but it’s sweet. They want everyone to reach their heaven.” But are they instead collecting serfs and slaves?
A Republican once said something like, “A house divided cannot stand.”
I don’t know about that, but a party divided has a hard time winning elections.
A Mormon courting the votes of anti-abortion Catholics and evangelical Protestants while the party shits on Todd Akin… that will be some serious political finesse.
Cris (without an H)
@Studly Pantload, the emotionally unavailable unicorn: And Scott Brown says his voting record is off-limits. By October, there won’t be anything left you’re allowed to ask Republican candidates about.
@wrb: At least they are not murdering sacrificial victims to be entombed with high-ranking Mormon males so they can be servants in the afterlife. Still, posthumous baptism for the purpose of creating a slave army is more offensive than just burying the Mormon dead with statuettes of a slave army in the manner of the ancient Egyptians and Chinese.
So who does he rule? Is the planet just a barren lifeless rock which is basically the dead guy’s new house, only, you know, with the entire planet as a backyard? Or does it come with a ready made alien race for him to rule over for all eternity?
That last concept sounds kind of like Stargate in reverse. Dead Mormons as Goa’uld.
Also sounds like the sort of thing that a member of a race-based slave culture (the early United States) would have come up with. Having certain races that essentially exist only to serve their betters. Hmm.
Baron Jrod of Keeblershire
“Ol’ dirty bastard alive and uncut” indeed.
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: Karol Rove? Isn’t he the Pope of the Texas Branch of the Church of Shut Up and Do What You’re Told ™?
@Seebach: It’s not what he said. His mistake was actually saying it. We’re not supposed to notice how insane current rethug orthodoxy is, and he’s blowing it by opening his mouth in front of the media.
@Carl Nyberg: Yeah, like a camel passing through the eye of a needle.
That was exactly what I was wondering, when it suddenly struck me that the need to solve that problem maybe was the solution to the question of why the mania to snatch the souls of the non-Mormon dead.
Not to make Mormons of them, but to collect a crew dig the ‘taters and erect the temples and obelisks glorifying your Godhead.
I dunno. It was a sincere question.
My solution makes sense to me, but I don’t know if it is the right solution.
Are there no buses he could be thrown under?
Seriously, Mike, I’m surprised they didn’t stab him in the back while they were at it.
@gussie: Yes, that seems to be it. Not the ludicrous pseudo-science junk claim that women can secrete some kind of sperm-killing serum when they’re assaulted, making it impossible to conceive – Akin’s not apologising for that. No, he and Huck think that the ladies are mad because he used the word “legitimate”.
I don’t know about that. Huckabee hasn’t run for president because of the trail of dead bodies behind him, not because he’s not popular with the fundamentalist base. As far as I can tell, the fundies love him something fierce.
Plus, as the past four years have shown, Republicans have never needed a majority in order to fuck things up.
I’d not known about the rapist murderer. How does he live with himself. I know. God loves him.
More likely 72 virgins and a choir to sing of their connubial feats.
Well, from what I’ve gleaned from conservatives (online and in person), Huckabee specifically isn’t trusted not only because of the trail of bodies, but also because he’s unwisely said a few nice things about Hispanics (which pisses off the base) and a few nice things about social justice, or against Wall Street, or something (which pisses off the elites).
The fundies in general, I’ve always thought, don’t have nearly as much pull as they think they do. The religious right’s tried to run their own candidate for president twice, once in 1988 (Pat Robertson) and once in 2008 (Huckabee), and both times that guy ended up third, behind perceived “moderates.” They keep threatening to flex their muscle if the establishment doesn’t start paying attention to them, but (unlike the teabaggers) I don’t remember them ever actually doing it – James Dobson once said he wouldn’t endorse McCain “as a matter of conscience,” then meekly endorsed the ticket after McCain won anyway. There’s a lot more empty piss and wind there than they’d like to admit in public, and it’s getting worse as time goes by and public opinion falls away from them.
Wayne Dumond was a two-fer — a rapist murderer who was able to sell Republicans a sob story about how he was persecuted by Bill Clinton and thus became a minor celebrity for the right wing.
The Other Chuck
The question is, did Wayne Dumond commit _legitimate_ rape or not?
Oh Hickabee, the supposed “nice” republican. I’ve always said he was and is an asshole the size of Mt. Vesuvius. Been packing on those fucking cheeseburgers and bbq sammiches, too. So much for that Christian diet book where you cashed in and then fattened your Gomer Pyle fatass back up again.
Actually, I’d say it’s what prison guards call a “covered wagon.” That’s when a group of inmates throws some blankets over beds so the guards can’t see a gang rape going on.
The GOP wants to gang-rape women voters, metaphorically speaking. And this asshole is trying to throw some blankets over the beds to cover up what’s going on.