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Some girls

by DougJ|  August 27, 20128:50 pm| 68 Comments

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So rape is permitted by libruls or what? Even for Kaplan, this one is weird.

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  1. 1.

    beltane

    August 27, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    The wording of that story, not only the sentiment expressed, is very strange. The Republicans have turned all of us into ESL students.

  2. 2.

    BGinCHI

    August 27, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    I think I got it.

    A permissive society leads to rape and the degradation of women.

    A repressive society leads to women who have been raped and degraded knowing when to shut their dirty mouths.

  3. 3.

    Joey Maloney

    August 27, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    I speak English just fine, thanks. This is WSL, Wingnut as a Second Language.

  4. 4.

    RedKitten

    August 27, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    Yup. Today’s permissive culture degrades women. In fact, we should show women the proper respect by protecting them from lustful male gazes. Only when our women are covered head-to-toe and cloistered inside their homes will we TRULY be showing them the respect that they deserve.

  5. 5.

    johnny gentle famous crooner

    August 27, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Obviously, it’s Kaplan Daily’s entry for the Contrarian View of the Year award.

    Because the mark of good journalism is searching under every rock in an obvious and embarrassing effort to show that you didn’t know everything about a story. Even when you actually did.

    It’s like an offshoot of gotcha journalism; it’s “bet’cha didn’t think of that, did ya, smart guy?” journalism.

  6. 6.

    WereBear

    August 27, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    It’s just that now they know it occurs!

    It was so much better for our beautiful minds when the people who got raped took the blame and didn’t even tell anyone!

    Now, isn’t that tidier?

  7. 7.

    cathyx

    August 27, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    See, women are dressing too provocatively lately, and so it’s no surprise they get raped. In fact, they kinda deserve it. And then, it’s not really rape, especially if they get pregnant. They were just asking for it.

  8. 8.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 27, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    The vile hussies are being PUNISHED by the angry asshole sky buddy for their wantonness! That’s what’s important here, that they suffer for their sluttiness!

  9. 9.

    cathyx

    August 27, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    @RedKitten: Burkas for all women.

  10. 10.

    Ashley

    August 27, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Yeah, that headline is weird, but that article is mostly about a bunch of stupid white women who don’t think there’s actually any inequality between genders. Probably cause one of them “married the boss.”

  11. 11.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 27, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    @RedKitten:

    Only when our women are covered head-to-toe and cloistered inside their homes will we TRULY be showing them the respect that they deserve.

    And they scoff when we call them talibangicals.

  12. 12.

    Darkrose

    August 27, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: STOP BEING UNCIVIL!

  13. 13.

    beltane

    August 27, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Men really need to be protected from these dirty slutty females seeking to get themselves impregnated so they can enjoy fun times at the abortionplex.

  14. 14.

    WereBear

    August 27, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    And I don’t see how “today’s permissive culture degrades women,” even though they have been trying to sell me this crap for decades now.

    Society acknowledging I have a brain, being able to have my own job and bank accounts and autonomy, being worth something even if unmarried, having it not matter if I bear children or not, and not needing anyone’s permission to be an adult… how is that degrading me, again?

  15. 15.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 27, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    @WereBear:

    how is that degrading me, again?

    Your beautiful mind should be concentrating on getting me a sammich, woman!

  16. 16.

    Soprano2live

    August 27, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    I live in SWMO, that doesn’t surprise me at all. We once had a female state rep who said women are “asking for it when they wear those short skirts.”

  17. 17.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 27, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    @WereBear: Tramp stamps, miniskirts, and high heels.

  18. 18.

    General Stuck

    August 27, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    This moron didn’t just fall off the turnip truck, with is crackpot science theories on female reproduction. Somebody had to have been voting for him, and his prehistoric attitudes toward the female of the species.

    Evangelical women buy into all sorts of the same crap the males dictate to the congregation. Barefoot, pregnant, puttering around the kitchen, being seen but not heard. Etc…… Which is also good for the economy when christian wives largely populate the countries for profit psych hospitals, for treating depression that is more oppression in disguise.

    When all the onion is pealed away from these dickheads, almost everything they do can be traced to a need to control women folk from complicating their lives with all the equality mumbo jumbo the liberals are always yakking about.

  19. 19.

    cathyx

    August 27, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    @beltane: lol.

  20. 20.

    Baud

    August 27, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    FTA:

    They are women who think that they have in some ways become less liberated in recent decades, not more; who think that easy abortion, easy birth control and a tawdry popular culture have degraded their stature, not elevated it. Though the women here were of varying faiths and economic backgrounds, they were white and bound by a shared unease with Obama in particular and liberals in general, who seemed so often to hold them in contempt.
    …..
    “Is a ‘liberated woman’ really freer?” asked Rottler, who has two adopted children. “To me, a woman should be on a pedestal. We are special — we bear children, we take care of children, we’re working. Actually, if we had our heads on straight, women could really run the world. Actually, we do run the world.”

  21. 21.

    RedKitten

    August 27, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    @WereBear: You’re degraded because you have to work, you poor thing, instead of your husband taking proper care of you. Once the Republicans are elected, they can return America to its glory days, when women were taken care of by their men. They stayed at home with their children, instead of letting some daycare raise them, took pride in a clean home and hot supper on the table, and all was right with the world.

    The right-wingers simply want to return to those halcyon days. And if our wants and needs are contrary to that? Well, we’re just not proper women, then.

  22. 22.

    Gravenstone

    August 27, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Izzat the updated formulation of baseball, hot dogs and Chevrolet?

  23. 23.

    raven

    August 27, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    @Baud: Fuck The Army?

  24. 24.

    Baud

    August 27, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    If the goal is to prevent the women folk from being degraded, I wonder what Balloon Juice will be like when they’re banned from this blog.

  25. 25.

    Yutsano

    August 27, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    @Baud: maybe we should get their opinion on the 19th Amendment while we’re at it. Yikes.

  26. 26.

    Baud

    August 27, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    @raven:

    Sure. Why not?

  27. 27.

    NancyDarling

    August 27, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    I have found, living amongst folks like those Missouri women, that the question that stops a lot of them in their tracks is about IVF. Almost everyone has a family member or knows someone who has conceived through IVF. When you ask them about all those little unused “souls on ice”, they get a look of pain and then usually throw up their hands and walk away. They also are not monolithic in believing that rape babies should be carried to term. A really bad fetal abnormality will send some scurrying to an abortionist.

  28. 28.

    NotMax

    August 27, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Teabonics.

  29. 29.

    Gravenstone

    August 27, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    @RedKitten:

    You’re degraded because you have to work, you poor thing, instead of your husband taking proper care of you.

    Some enterprising soul should ask these ladies why their husbands can’t make enough to take care of them in that noble fantasy world their fantasies demand. Hint, it’s because they support assholes like Akin who have worked for decades to undercut their own constituents lives and livelihoods.

  30. 30.

    General Stuck

    August 27, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    But after reading a poll today, something that has confounded me for a long time, is why there is such a wide space between single women and married ones when it comes to voting. That right now Obama is like 20 points ahead with single women, and Romney is about the same for married women. I don’t get it.

  31. 31.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 27, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    @Baud:

    I wonder what Balloon Juice will be like when they’re banned from this blog.

    A really dismal place. No ABL, No Kay, no Anne Laurie, no TaMara, no…SHUDDER…SPaT…

    Not to mention all our glorious female commentors.

    A very dismal place. Not even DougJ’s trolling will be enough to brighten it up.

  32. 32.

    Darkrose

    August 27, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Though the women here were of varying faiths and economic backgrounds, they were white and bound by a shared unease with Obama in particular and liberals in general, who seemed so often to hold them in contempt.

    Hmm…wonder why a bunch of white women who lament that they’re no longer on a pedestal would have a problem with Obama? There must be something about him…I can’t think what…

  33. 33.

    raven

    August 27, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    @Baud:

    The Return of Jane Fonda’s long-M.I.A. “F.T.A.”

    “F.T.A.” becomes a long-lost integer in the equation of a fascinating and resonant public woman, quite possibly the most heroic American celebrity since studio stars enlisted for combat during WWII.

  34. 34.

    taylormattd

    August 27, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    @Baud: Did I miss something? What does this mean?

  35. 35.

    RedKitten

    August 27, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    @Gravenstone: No, no, no. It’s all the fault of the women’s libbers, and then it became the fault of the immigrants.

    Oh, if only we could return to the day when only white men could obtain gainful employment in America!

  36. 36.

    Roger Moore

    August 27, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    @WereBear:

    Society acknowledging I have a brain, being able to have my own job and bank accounts and autonomy, being worth something even if unmarried, having it not matter if I bear children or not, and not needing anyone’s permission to be an adult… how is that degrading me, again?

    It’s separating you from God, which is inherently degrading. God wants women to be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen, and you’re rebelling against him with your attempts to be independent of menfolk.

  37. 37.

    Darkrose

    August 27, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    @Gravenstone: I much prefer that formulation.

  38. 38.

    beltane

    August 27, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    @Baud: I don’t want to sound catty but Mrs. Rottler sounds like a infertile woman whose mind has been utterly corroded by envy towards those women who are more fecund than herself. Every last one of these women who mourn the availability of contraception are what used to be known as “frigid” and are also highly hostile to men in their own way.

  39. 39.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 27, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    @Gravenstone: I am not a baseball fan. Just sayin’.

  40. 40.

    Baud

    August 27, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Agreed. Obama must win.

    @taylormattd:

    It was a snarky comment insinuating that BJ is degrading to women.

  41. 41.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 27, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    It’s separating you from God, which is inherently degrading.

    That’s essentially why Michelle Bachmann thinks the Renaissance was a mistake. It separated us from God.

    And the Dark Ages.

  42. 42.

    Roger Moore

    August 27, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    @Yutsano:

    maybe we should get their opinion on the 19th Amendment while we’re at it.

    They’re agin it. Everyone knows that nothing since the 12th Amendment is valid.

  43. 43.

    Chyron HR

    August 27, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    Though the women here were of varying faiths

    Some of them disagreed about the best way to serve God–such a variety of opinion! Why don’t you libs respect their diversity?

  44. 44.

    RedKitten

    August 27, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    @General Stuck: Because like it or not, it seems that a lot of women, particularly once they have children, become more ideologically staid. A single girl who was footloose and fancy free will suddenly start going to church regularly in order to “raise the kids with good morals and values”, will start worrying about things like nudity on television, and starts seeking the illusory safety of conventionality. Not all women are like this obviously. But I’ve seen it happen to a lot of them — they pop out a baby and next thing you know they’re going to church every Sunday, sporting a “mom ‘do” and a sweatshirt with kittens on it, and fretting about teenagers having sex.

  45. 45.

    beltane

    August 27, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    @Chyron HR: Some were Pentcostal, some Baptist, and some attend services at a non-denominational church. Can’t you smell the diversity?

  46. 46.

    raven

    August 27, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    @taylormattd: FTA will, forever and always, stand for Fuck The Army.

  47. 47.

    Roger Moore

    August 27, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    @General Stuck:

    But after reading a poll today, something that has confounded me for a long time, is why there is such a wide space between single women and married ones when it comes to voting.

    As an off guess, some of that difference is because married women have some of the same demographic skew that generally favors Republicans, i.e. they’re older, whiter, straighter, and more religious than unmarried women are.

  48. 48.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 27, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    @raven:

    Agreed.

    Even when I see FTE (Full Time Equivalent) my brain sees FTA. Every time I see FTA, the Army thing comes to mind, without any prompting.

    If you’ve served, it’s burned into your brain.

  49. 49.

    raven

    August 27, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Fuckin A. Gives me a case of the ass like a russian bear!

  50. 50.

    Heliopause

    August 27, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Can somebody explain Doug’s point here? Seriously, I don’t get it.

    A poll shows that 37% of Missouri women still plan to vote for Akin even after his mind-boggling remarks.

  51. 51.

    General Stuck

    August 27, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    @RedKitten:

    I had wondered it might be something like this. Thanks

  52. 52.

    Recall

    August 27, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    FTA:

    She and her husband never had children, which she called a “conscious choice” of the sort she figures all women have.

  53. 53.

    WereBear

    August 27, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    @RedKitten: I think of it as the “power of modeling.” Whether we want to emulate how we were parented, or not, it is a powerful influence on how we parent.

    The security of doing it the way Mom would at least brings Mom’s approval.

  54. 54.

    Darkrose

    August 27, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    @Heliopause: The headline refers to his “rape comments”. Which ones? The “you can’t get pregnant if you’re raped because your ladyparts have magic secretions?” The “bitches lie” implication?

  55. 55.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 27, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    @WereBear: My mom wore miniskirts and took me to the 1968 Democratic convention when I was four.

  56. 56.

    Heliopause

    August 27, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    @Darkrose:

    The headline refers to his “rape comments”. Which ones?

    That’s it? The headline is unclear on which of two stupidass things Akin said is being referred to? Why would anybody blog about that?

  57. 57.

    Kathy in St. Louis

    August 27, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    Seriously, Fenton Missouri is a suburb of St. Louis that straddles the line between St. Louis County and Jefferson county. Joyce Meyer ministries has its headquarters in Fenton. There’s a fundie Church on every corner. This is no surprise to me. Lots of truly one dimensional, one track, bible loving people there. But even in Fenton, this is still a minority opinion. When you get out of the Kansas City and St. Louis areas and into the rural areas of Missouri, it’s a lot more like this. And Missouri is more rural than urban, and those folks hate the city. You just have to remember with Todd Akin that he’s a 66 year old man with two degrees, a wife and daughters and grandchildren. It takes willful ignorance to still hold positions such as his when you’ve been on earth, in college, and actually awake for all that time and still think the ideas he espouses. And he is, obviously, not alone.

  58. 58.

    Linda Featheringill

    August 27, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    and liberals in general, who seemed so often to hold them in contempt.

    Yes. Yes, I do.

  59. 59.

    Mnemosyne

    August 27, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    There are, unfortunately, quite a few women who live inside a comfortable conservative bubble and have never had to confront anything ugly or hard in their lives, like finding out six months into a pregnancy that their wanted baby doesn’t have a brain and will not survive to be born. So it’s easy for them to hand-wave away an impoverished woman who’s pregnant with a child she doesn’t want — she made bad decisions! She should have planned better, like they did!

  60. 60.

    Djur

    August 27, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    @Darkrose: @Heliopause: It’s not the headline, it’s the text. What does “today’s permissive culture degrad[ing] women” have to do with Akin’s claim that rape victims do not get pregnant?

    It might as well be “Conservatives agree with Akin’s stance, saying that those Russian nesting dolls are really cute.”

  61. 61.

    Kerry Reid

    August 27, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    @Linda Featheringill: And it’s really unfair, because they always say such loving things about us godless anti-American feminazi liberals in fake hate-America-pallin-around-with-terrorists-land! I mean, obviously even Tom Brokaw would be hard-pressed to say “both sides do it,” when it’s only us babykilling AIDS-spreading homo-loving degenerates who want to destroy America from within who say mean thing!

    Okay, yeah — I too hold idiot wingnuts in contempt. I refuse to insult them with the soft bigotry of low expectations, after all.

    The difference is I merely hold them in contempt — whilst trying to preserve a social safety net that helps them as well as the rest of the 99 percent. They, on the other hand, get their bubble-headed adolescent fee-fees hurt because Amurrica elected the uppity NI-CLANG!!! and therefore WE MUST ALL SUFFER!!!

  62. 62.

    danah gaz (fka gaz)

    August 27, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    @RedKitten: you just described my neighbor. and one of my sisters. (and many more, who I am vaguely acquainted with in one way or another)

    Luckily, at least in my sister’s case, she’s no fool. She didn’t adopt the bigotry and judgement of others that so often comes along with that born-again-soccer-mom transformation. She’s survived too much crap to suffer that nonsense. I respect her.

  63. 63.

    Heliopause

    August 27, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    @Djur:

    What does “today’s permissive culture degrad[ing] women” have to do with Akin’s claim that rape victims do not get pregnant?

    If that’s the conclusion that a significant percentage of Missourians draw then I still don’t get why that’s not a story. Don’t you want to know if 40-some percent of your fellow citizens, including 30-some percent of women, think this? Doug’s post said that it was “weird” that the WaPo would tell us about this. I’m afraid I still don’t get why it’s “weird” to tell me that millions of my fellow citizens believe this stuff.

  64. 64.

    pseudonymous in nc

    August 27, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    The “Ladies Against Women” faction is, alas, larger than one would like.

  65. 65.

    Brachiator

    August 27, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    “To me, a woman should be on a pedestal. We are special — we bear children, we take care of children, we’re working. Actually, if we had our heads on straight, women could really run the world.

    Funny. Seems to me that it is really hard to stand on a pedestal. You can’t do much except be admired, maybe worshipped. Can’t even dodge bird shit.

    And while a number of world rulers have had pretty nifty thrones, I am not aware of any who tried to govern from a pedestal.

    Some of them disagreed about the best way to serve God

    RUN. It’s a cookbook!

  66. 66.

    Darkrose

    August 28, 2012 at 12:17 am

    @Djur: Ah, okay. That makes more sense than my theory.

  67. 67.

    Jager

    August 28, 2012 at 12:54 am

    @Recall:
    She and her hubby don’t fuck?

  68. 68.

    Liberty60

    August 28, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Its not surprising at all.

    Some of the most adrent defenders of patriarchy- even Sharia Law style- are women.

    Even within the walls of oppression, there are members of the oppressed group who personally benefit from the oppression.

    Insert your own Godwin / plantation reference here.

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