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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2012 / Friday Morning Open Thread

Friday Morning Open Thread

by Anne Laurie|  September 7, 20126:07 am| 44 Comments

This post is in: Election 2012, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Readership Capture

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Via NYMag, to help with the morning’s sleep deprivation – hangover.
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And a great quote from Jon Chait, too:

… During his first campaign, Obama saw the blend of individual and communal responsibility as the obvious, shared belief of the entire country. Now he has come to see it as the belief of an embattled half of America.

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In other commentary, Thursday morning’s cartoon (two-week lead time) is why Garry Trudeau remains necessary:


(Doonesbury via GoComics.com — enbiggenment available at the link)

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What’s on the agenda, apart from recovery after the myriad emotional highs of the last three days?

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  1. 1.

    raven

    September 7, 2012 at 6:11 am

    Another day at the ball bearing factory then feetballs!

  2. 2.

    raven

    September 7, 2012 at 6:15 am

    Here, chew on this:

    ATLANTA — A state labor official is refusing to restart jobless benefits to seasonally unemployed teachers and bus drivers, setting up a showdown between state and federal officials.

    Georgia Labor Commissioner Mark Butler tells the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (http://bit.ly/RfUo21 ) on Thursday that the administration in Washington is “over-stepping their bounds” in regards to unemployment.

    “This is really a states’ rights issue. The administration is really over-stepping their bounds,” Butler said. “We will not back down from something we feel right about. We have the authority to write laws when it comes to unemployment.”

  3. 3.

    MikeJ

    September 7, 2012 at 6:30 am

    @raven: Not even a mater of costing the state money, since the feds are paying it. They just don’t want money to go to teachers (unionists) or come from the other party, who will get credit.

  4. 4.

    hep kitty

    September 7, 2012 at 6:31 am

    @raven: Hm, 9.2% unemployment rate in GA.

  5. 5.

    danielx

    September 7, 2012 at 6:37 am

    Am I imagining things, or is/was there a conspicuous enthusiasm gap between the goings-on in Tampa and those in Charlotte? I do believe the Dems are just a bit more fired up…

  6. 6.

    Mino

    September 7, 2012 at 6:46 am

    Jennifer Granholm needs to replace DiFi next go round. She lit it up.

    Brian Schweitzer was not good. At all.

  7. 7.

    MikeJ

    September 7, 2012 at 6:49 am

    @Mino: Schweitzer was great, but I suspect he wasn’t talking to you. He’s running in Montana.

  8. 8.

    Narcissus

    September 7, 2012 at 6:49 am

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen or heard “States’ Rights” used in a way I didn’t find repugnant.

  9. 9.

    hep kitty

    September 7, 2012 at 6:55 am

    @Mino: She was awesome, really hit it out of the park for the auto rescue. I was ready to start pumping my fist, too!

  10. 10.

    hep kitty

    September 7, 2012 at 6:57 am

    @danielx: Like I was saying on a previous thread, you look in the eyes of the DNC delegates and you see real emotion! Joy and tears. The RNC, dead eyes and frozen smiles everywhere. They were faking it as hard as they could but I don’t think anybody was buying it.

  11. 11.

    hep kitty

    September 7, 2012 at 7:01 am

    @MikeJ: Yeh, look at the little tie-thingie (what are those called?) he wore. That was apparently Montana thing, which is all good. Srsly, what do I know about MT?

    Shit I have to get out of here and in the shower

  12. 12.

    Mino

    September 7, 2012 at 7:01 am

    @MikeJ: We’ll just have to disagree on that. He bragged too much about cutting taxes. I’m fucking sick of pols who make such a virtue of that. Context is everything. Was he increasing fees at the same time? Was he making the code fairer? So my back was up immediately.

  13. 13.

    Mino

    September 7, 2012 at 7:04 am

    And isn’t Schweitzer term limited out? What’s he running for?

  14. 14.

    MikeJ

    September 7, 2012 at 7:05 am

    @Mino:

    Was he increasing fees at the same time?

    Since he was explicitly attacking Romney for that I’d guess not.

    It’s just as silly to be reflexively anti-cutting as it is to be reflexively anti-tax. If Montana can meet the needs of its citizens while collecting less in tax they have a responsibility to do so.

  15. 15.

    MikeJ

    September 7, 2012 at 7:13 am

    @Mino: I believe you are correct. Whatever. His base is in Montana, he’s a Montana politician, and he’s a solid Democrat.

  16. 16.

    marv

    September 7, 2012 at 7:19 am

    It irritates me that so many “pundits” are calling Obama’s speech pedestrian or routine because it seems obvious that what they wanted – a barnburner from start to finish – would have actually cost him votes among the only group that seems to matter now, the small group of undecideds. The people who aren’t sure about Obama are sure they don’t think he walks on water and just a crowd response like 2004 would have been counter-productive, I think. Not to mention the last four years he’s put up with so much shit I doubt he really felt like punching our happy buttons, and the guy strikes me as the most straightforward politian I’ve ever seen.

  17. 17.

    hep kitty

    September 7, 2012 at 7:20 am

    No, President Obama, we love you but we do not love fracking.

    No we do not.

  18. 18.

    hep kitty

    September 7, 2012 at 7:22 am

    @marv: You know, it’s ridiculous to expect that of Obama. That is simply not his style. Clinton laid out the attack, Obama didn’t need to.

    Ok, CSPAN, do you really have to read the idiotic, juvenile, talking point laden tweets? I’m sure you can find some more reasonable, reality based ones. Aren’t you a little better than that ? And yes, you can do that on both sides so as not to appear non-partisan.

  19. 19.

    JPL

    September 7, 2012 at 7:23 am

    @raven: Deal’s policies are lowering the unemployment rate… Why are we ruled by such idiots?
    “It’s a pretty serious issue if the states just let the federal government tell us what to do all the time. We’re not trying to pick a fight here. We’re just trying to govern Georgia the way Georgians want us to govern.”

    also, too… get off my lawn

  20. 20.

    WereBear

    September 7, 2012 at 7:26 am

    The compare/contrast between the two conventions was incredible!

    Low info votes, who go by vibes, should pick Democrats this year. I want sweep. I want both houses.

    I want a mandate as big as the sky.

  21. 21.

    hep kitty

    September 7, 2012 at 7:28 am

    oops, to appear non-partisan

    Damn, fucking stupid-ass callers this morning.

  22. 22.

    arguingwithsignposts

    September 7, 2012 at 7:35 am

    @raven: @JPL:

    “This is really a states’ rights issue. The administration is really over-stepping their bounds,” Butler said. “We will not back down from something we feel right about. We have the authority to write laws when it comes to unemployment.”

    I really think that “United” part in United States is often more of a wish than a reality. As I’ve posted before, one’s physical processes don’t suddenly change to entirely new processes when you move from one state to another.

  23. 23.

    The Ancient Randonneur

    September 7, 2012 at 7:39 am

    Obama: Romney Is ‘New’ To Foreign Policy: WTF? Romney’s been a missionary in France AND he’s sent more jobs overseas than any candidate in history. Take THAT you mean old liberals!

    Oh yeah, and:

    No sign of convention bounce for Obama: Reuters/Ipsos poll

    No . Really. I didn’t make that up.

  24. 24.

    Valdivia

    September 7, 2012 at 7:42 am

    I haven’t read all the threads so I don’t know if we have already bitched at the consensus that Obama’s speech was bad. So many people calling it pedestrian. And Tomasky saying Obama blew it and probably lost the election with it. What? Where they watching the same speech as me?

  25. 25.

    Celeriac

    September 7, 2012 at 7:43 am

    As a person currently residing well south of the Mason-Dixon I beg only for a few weeks to gather my belongings and find housing back in The World. Then by all means, enforce secession and build that wall the Wingnuts are so keen on.

  26. 26.

    Soonergrunt

    September 7, 2012 at 7:46 am

    @Narcissus: “States rights” has ALWAYS been used to invoke the privilege of one small regional group of people to fuck over another group of people.

  27. 27.

    Mino

    September 7, 2012 at 7:47 am

    Montana is paying their bills with resource extraction fees. I won’t elaborate.

  28. 28.

    Soonergrunt

    September 7, 2012 at 7:47 am

    @hep kitty: It’s called a bolo tie.

  29. 29.

    raven

    September 7, 2012 at 7:56 am

    @Soonergrunt: I have a scorpion bolo.

  30. 30.

    EconWatcher

    September 7, 2012 at 8:12 am

    @Mino: Well, “states’ rights” are why the feds should let the states make their own choices on medical marijuana. As someone with a household member fighting cancer, i feel strongly about that one. Ditto gay marriage. It doesn’t always tilt to the right, although i agree that “states’ rights” has an ugly historical taint.

  31. 31.

    Mino

    September 7, 2012 at 8:16 am

    @EconWatcher: What? I have been talking about Montana.

  32. 32.

    Ann Rynd

    September 7, 2012 at 8:19 am

    please, please, please, can we have a thread called “Throwing peanuts at Chuck Todd.” This yutz is shreading my last nerve!

  33. 33.

    Suffern ACE

    September 7, 2012 at 8:21 am

    @Valdivia: They’re not talking to the people who watched the speech, but the people who didn’t watch the speech. Obama’s speech may have seemed a lot like his stump speech which they have heard because they follow such things. But it would be unusual for it not to be. there’s really a limited number of topics candidates are going to cover in their speeches…whatever.

  34. 34.

    hep kitty

    September 7, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Paid hack (I’m a registered Dem and I’m voting for Romney this time) callers this morning on WJ.

    RLY?? Come on now.

  35. 35.

    hep kitty

    September 7, 2012 at 8:27 am

    @Ann Rynd: I would welcome such a thread any day of the week.

  36. 36.

    hep kitty

    September 7, 2012 at 8:37 am

    @Valdivia: Just his typical style which never moves me, but pretty sure it’s not going to cost him the election! How shallow can ppl be?

  37. 37.

    YellowJournalism

    September 7, 2012 at 8:53 am

    @Ann Rynd: I would prefer tomatoes to peanuts. Splat!

  38. 38.

    hep kitty

    September 7, 2012 at 9:39 am

    @raven: wowee, that’s hot! ;)

  39. 39.

    hep kitty

    September 7, 2012 at 9:41 am

    @YellowJournalism: Catapults of molded, rotten cottage cheese would be nice also. Or something out of a Hoarders’ refrigerator.

    Lets come up with a grocery list!

  40. 40.

    BruinKid

    September 7, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Speaking of Garry Trudeau, here’s a trivia question. His former college roommate, whom he drew upon for inspiration for the comic strip, ran for Congress in 2010 (not just in a primary, in the general election). Who won that election?

  41. 41.

    1badbaba3

    September 7, 2012 at 10:41 am

    @BruinKid: Love Doonsebury, but I do not know the answer. Don’t keep us in suspense, though. I am purposely not going to use my google-fu, so unless you spill I won’t know. But no pressure.

  42. 42.

    Mnemosyne

    September 7, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    @raven:

    Shorter Mark Butler: “We should be allowed to starve the residents of our state to death if we damn well feel like it! States’ rights!”

  43. 43.

    Mike

    September 7, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Lincoln said he was finishing the founders’ work, but he was far from dispatching the racists. The president mentioned him once last night and it got me thinking how proud Lincoln would have been at this moment, if dismayed at how long it took, seeing his work really completed.

  44. 44.

    BruinKid

    September 7, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    @1badbaba3: Just type in the name of the comic strip into Wikipedia, and you shall see your answer.

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