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MNF Open Thread

by John Cole|  September 24, 20128:35 pm| 110 Comments

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Packers v. Seahawks. Fun drinking game- drink every time the refs blow or miss a call. I’m still under the weather from whatever plague I have had for ten days (everyone around here has this crap, and it just lingers FOREVER), so I will not partake, but I would recommend having 911 on speed dial for those of you who do.

Also, tomorrow is the Mists of Pandaria release. I have alliance tunes on Sargeras, so I would prefer to go there, but I’ll let you all fight it out in the comments and decide where to go.

Update. DougJ here. Do you think that GMC ad song sounds exactly like the Itsy Bitsy Spider song? Especially the beginning of it.

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  1. 1.

    rlrr

    September 24, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    Fun drinking game- drink every time the refs blow or miss a call

    No thanks, I’d rather not die from alcohol poisoning…

  2. 2.

    redshirt

    September 24, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    22 yard penalty on the vodka! Fifth down!

  3. 3.

    Laertes

    September 24, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    If you do Horde on Doomhammer, I’ll hook you up with the nicest bunch of people you could ever hope to meet. Bunch of them on your fancy East Coast time too.

  4. 4.

    Svensker

    September 24, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    I’ve got the plague, too. It is BRUTAL. Day 7 and a fever? WTF?

  5. 5.

    S. cerevisiae

    September 24, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    OK Seahawks, do us a favor.

  6. 6.

    Joel

    September 24, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    I’ll be watching…

    My fantasy scores, because the real product is just not worth watching.. That Raiders-Steelers game might have turned me off for good. We’ll see if I can keep my promise to myself this year.

  7. 7.

    Forum Transmitted Disease

    September 24, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    Also, tomorrow is the Mists of Pandaria release. I have alliance tunes on Sargeras, so I would prefer to go there, but I’ll let you all fight it out in the comments and decide where to go.

    I’m going to assume that you’re referring to a sex act so vile it can’t be described.

  8. 8.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 24, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    You have alliance TOONS, John. Tunes are what you pay ridiculous prices to buy at the Apple store.

    I haven’t got MoP yet, will let things settle down a bit before I take the plunge. It’s not as if something important (that is, flying in Azeroth) is part of this expansion.

  9. 9.

    The Dangerman

    September 24, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    I wonder what odds I could have gotten on New England, Pittsburgh, Denver, Detroit, and possibly Green Bay all starting 1-2?

  10. 10.

    Bago

    September 24, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    I’m normally not a size queen, but Mitt’s dad was at least 12 returns long, Obama’s is at least 10, but poor old mitt can only make 2.

    Sorry guy.

  11. 11.

    shoutingattherain

    September 24, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    This might be fun: every time the ref-scabs mis-spot the ball send John an email complaining about it. What could go wrong? =)

  12. 12.

    jl

    September 24, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    @rlrr:

    “No thanks, I’d rather not die from alcohol poisoning”

    I am not much of a fan of this American football, but last night even I could tell the refs stunk.

    Head trauma on the field and off. Fun times for all!

  13. 13.

    zattarra

    September 24, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    I also have been stricken with the plague. Currently in week 3. Now on steroids, anti-biotics and something that can only be described as a schedule narcotic version of NyQuil. It’s quite the cocktail.

  14. 14.

    Schlemizel

    September 24, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    @jl:
    After last night I didn’t think people here are allowed to say they don’t like American football on a football thread 8-{D.

    It would be nice to see the Packers lose mainly because their fans become unbearable when they win (as do a few other team but there are a lot of them around me). A little humiliation would do them good.

  15. 15.

    The Dangerman

    September 24, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    How very progressive of the Seahawks to contract out the Uniform design to a blind person!

    /traditionalist

  16. 16.

    John Cole

    September 24, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    @shoutingattherain: DIAF

  17. 17.

    Feudalism Now!

    September 24, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    Sargeras? I guess I could have a panda there.
    Is Bellichick going to get suspended for manhandling the scab ref? No flag, no foul.

  18. 18.

    Yutsano

    September 24, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    @The Dangerman: I blame Nike. For no rational reason at all.

  19. 19.

    Maude

    September 24, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    @John Cole:
    Thanks.

  20. 20.

    Maude

    September 24, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    OT When Romney said the bit about the heart attack, he said states take care of it. Uh, oh. That means no federal health care and of course, a removal of Medicaid.
    The interviewer didn’t catch that and question him about it.
    This is like the Cheney, No doubt statement and Russert (sp) didn’t ask, who has no doubt.

  21. 21.

    cathyx

    September 24, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Come on everybody:

    THE NFL IS OUR MODERN DAY GLADIATORS AND WHY ARE YOU SURPRISED AT PERFIDY AND INJURIES AND VIOLENCE.

  22. 22.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 24, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    @Yutsano:

    Perhaps because they’re the most usual suspect for sports fashion atrocities?

    I give you the University of Oregon Uniform Nightmares as exhibit A.

  23. 23.

    ? Martin

    September 24, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    So tomorrow is when we’re supposed to all get together and blow pandas, or whatever it was you wanted us to do to the poor creature? I’m, er, busy digging a subway to Madagascar.

  24. 24.

    M. Bouffant

    September 24, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    And test … [whacks mic]

  25. 25.

    Schlemizel

    September 24, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    @Yutsano:
    Well Nike and the other manufacturers. They make a ton of money from jersey sales & all the new designs pump up the numbers. The teams get a chunk of change from it too – probably about as much as the refs want so its not really a significant number but these owners would steal the pennys off a dead players eyes.

  26. 26.

    cathyx

    September 24, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    @Schlemizel: And guess who the biggest contributor to U of O is?

  27. 27.

    Comrade Mary

    September 24, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    John and Doug, is this your guy’s night out? (Umm, in.)

  28. 28.

    MikeJ

    September 24, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Perhaps because they’re the most usual suspect for sports fashion atrocities?

    You do know that in Casablanca, “round up the usual suspects” was shorthand for, “we don’t give a shit about the truth, we’re lazy and corrupt”, don’t you?

  29. 29.

    NotMax

    September 24, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    Pandaria begins at midnight, Pacific time. Supposedly a seamless transition when it begins, not requiring logging out and back in (we’ll see how that works out). For alliance, the first quest to speak to the king in Stormwind should appear when Pandaria goes live.

    All pandaren are neutral until level 10. Then they have to choose to ally with either Alliance or Horde. And no mailboxes in pandaren starting zone, so I’ve been told.

    Pandaren cannot be warlocks or Death Knights. Also too, goblins and worgen cannot be monks (the new class in Pandaria).

    Big changes in professions and crafting in Pandaria. Info here.

    Would be a hoot to have a BJ group of pandaren, but please, not on a PvP server.

    All my folks are on Alexstrasza server (PvE).

  30. 30.

    jl

    September 24, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    @Schlemizel:

    ” After last night I didn’t think people here are allowed to say they don’t like American football on a football thread 8-{D. ”

    American Football is weird game, even though I watch it.
    And in my book, da Raiduhs is still winless. Sad day for use erstwhile Raiders fans.

    but watching last half of Pats losing was fun, I don’t care about that happens. Though most of my time I had my face in beer and pizza.

    AND: Cole, DougJ is in your posts killing your doodz.

  31. 31.

    Yutsano

    September 24, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    @Comrade Mary: I thought that was Dougie and MM.

  32. 32.

    raven

    September 24, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Treme is a motherfucker.

  33. 33.

    James E. Powell

    September 24, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    I’d take Oregon’s over Maryland’s.

  34. 34.

    Or something like that.Suffern Ace

    September 24, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Yes, I think the packers might have some protection issues.

  35. 35.

    raven

    September 24, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    @NotMax: I see they found a big ass dock floating from the tsunami north of you yesterday.

  36. 36.

    Violet

    September 24, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    John, are you meditating for the bran you had for dinner?

  37. 37.

    Bago

    September 24, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Quick and dirty HTML.
    XML is a tree with children nodes.
    The nodes are called elements, and they have attributes, name value pairs that you can assign values to. Consider them members of a class.
    HTML is an implementation of XML where the element names are parsed by browsers in agreed upon ways. Tags like head and body mean certain things.
    CSS is pretty much a class definition for attributes.
    You write the base markup around the content, but add an attribute that it belongs to a named class.
    The CSS is a series of definitions with names, so element gets tagged with the fact that it needs to import its attribute settings from class “foo” from CSS “bar”.
    This way you can tweak font sizes and whatnot on the whole page by tweaking the CSS. You don’t have to touch the content, as the CSS is separate.
    A division of labor kind of thing.
    Reply
    Click to EditRequest Deletion (2 minutes and 5 seconds)

    September 24th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

  38. 38.

    NotMax

    September 24, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    @raven

    Gonna be finding stuff for years and years. Not long enough for species to differentiate a la Galapagos Islands, but still for a long while.

  39. 39.

    redshirt

    September 24, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    I actually felt old and confused just a moment ago when y’all start talking video game talk. Then I thought – my FSM! It’s going to keep getting like that, except with everything as I get older and older. NO!

  40. 40.

    jwb

    September 24, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    @Maude: Who knew that John even read the comments after the tenth?

  41. 41.

    Schlemizel

    September 24, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    @cathyx:
    They underwrite most of the college programs. Millions in uniforms & shoes, multimillion dollar payments to coaches. They have to make that money back somehow. $200 sneakers and Jerseys make a lot of that money back.

    Of course tax payers also cover some of that as they deduct a lot of it as advertising expenses on their taxes.

  42. 42.

    raven

    September 24, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    @NotMax: I’ve thought a lot about most of the people on the boat getting sick and how the captain originally was going to go between Maui and the Big Island but could tell we wouldn’t have been able to hack it. The gulf can be rough and Hatteras is “the graveyard of ships” but, damn. That is one big ass ocean.

  43. 43.

    Bago

    September 24, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    Also, the Sounders football team sponsored by Xbox (green) share the stadium with the Seahawks (blue), so a blue green combo seems like branding synergy.

  44. 44.

    MikeJ

    September 24, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    @Bago: And to demonstrate what a difference the CSS makes, look at CSS Zen Garden. All the demo pages are done with identical HTML. The only thing that changes is the CSS. Look at the all designs page to see some of the neat stuff people have done.

  45. 45.

    cathyx

    September 24, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    @Schlemizel: No, you don’t understand. Univ. of Oregon is Phil Knight’s baby.

  46. 46.

    Eric U.

    September 24, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    lots of people have suggested that we not watch the NFL as a way to bring back the refs. My problem is I’m drawn to it to see how bad it gets. It’s like people that stare at the aftermath of car crashes as they drive past, only to cause more car crashes. I know it’s a bad idea, but I can’t help myself.

  47. 47.

    raven

    September 24, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    @Eric U.: My problem is, fuck “people”.

  48. 48.

    NotMax

    September 24, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    @redshirt

    As someone who qualifies for senior discounts, can empathize.

    I experience the same reaction whenever anyone talks about football.

    Here’s a very short lexicon from my earlier jargonish post:

    PvP = Player vs. Player (players can attack/battle one another).

    PvE = Player vs. environment (players don’t attack or battle one another unless they toggle on the option to set a character to be able to do so with only other players so set, otherwise they exclusively advance in the game via quests and battles with the game’s non-player characters (NPCs).

  49. 49.

    Gin & Tonic

    September 24, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    @NotMax: What language was that post written in?

  50. 50.

    cathyx

    September 24, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    @Eric U.: All you have to do is when they survey you about what you watched, just lie.

  51. 51.

    Gravenstone

    September 24, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Where the hell did the short lived Also Too B-J guild call home? Been out of the game a few months so can’t log in to see where my toons from AT might be, provided I didn’t delete them for disuse.

  52. 52.

    NotMax

    September 24, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    @Gin & Tonic

    What language was that post written in?

    Modern Geek.

  53. 53.

    murakami

    September 24, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    I have no time at all to play WoW now, even though I miss it a dearly. Hope you’ll post on this topic again come December since I’ll probably have a fair amount of time to kill when the semester is over.

    And I can’t believe you’re Alliance John. That doesn’t fit my perceptions of your personality at all. Those goody-goodies, with lame battle cries, are practically Republicans.

  54. 54.

    NotMax

    September 24, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    @murakami

    Strictly a personal observation (and yes, do have one lone horde guy).

    Alliance capital cities are at least relatively easy to navigate in and through.

    Horde cities all seem as if they were designed by M. C. Escher or by the architect of the library in The Name of the Rose.

  55. 55.

    Schlemizel

    September 24, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    @cathyx:
    Still doesn’t change the point of how their money influences college sports or how we all pay for it.

  56. 56.

    policomic

    September 24, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    GM is alive; the itsy-bitsy spider is dead.

  57. 57.

    mcd410x

    September 24, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    At 20,000 feet, the partial pressure of oxygen is half what it is at 0 feet. Wouldn’t opening the window, in effect, suppress the fire by half? Isn’t that why a person needs supplemental oxygen at that altitude?

    Doesn’t make what Mittens said any less funny.

  58. 58.

    Heliopause

    September 24, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    Fun drinking game- drink every time the refs blow or miss a call.

    The bigger problem isn’t them missing calls, it’s them calling every single little burp and fart that they see.

  59. 59.

    RareSanity

    September 24, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    @mcd410x:

    Outside of compromising the structural integrity of the plane, you have no idea what manner of chaos would result from “opening a window”…at 30,000 feet, moving at about 400 mph.

    At that speed, any hole in that aircraft that wasn’t design to be there, will only get bigger with the forces that would be acting on it.

  60. 60.

    billgerat

    September 24, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    And the Sack-athon continues….

  61. 61.

    mainmati

    September 24, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    Seattle Defense sacked Packers QB what’s-his-name 8 times in the 1st half. Seattle QB not tall and rookie but looking good. Interesting game.

  62. 62.

    lol chikinburd

    September 24, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    Apart from the red zone sputter, that’s actually some pretty impressive halftime adjustment by the Pack: give the ball to Benson and make more throws from play-action, and you’re bound to be sacked fewer than eight times in a half. Wish it had occurred to them earlier.

  63. 63.

    M. Bouffant

    September 24, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    one, two

  64. 64.

    Steeplejack

    September 24, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    @MikeJ:

    I really love that site. I go over there occasionally just to wander around.

    I dream of what a CSS commando could do with Balloon Juice. Then I come back to my senses and resume drinking.

  65. 65.

    Geeno

    September 24, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Well announce the location, all of my 85’s are on Uldum, but I don’t have any empty toon slots there. Yes, I suffer from sever altism.
    An all pandaran BJ Guild would be fun.

  66. 66.

    Jay in Oregon

    September 24, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    I don’t pay to play right now, but I have a couple of level 20 Alliance twinks on Trollbane on a free starter account; a Dwarf Resto Shaman and a Human Frost Mage. (Also a Tauren Paladin that I lost interet in around level 13 or so.)

    Whenever I feel the urge to start playing full-time again, I heal thankless assholes through Shadowfang Keep or the like a few times, and it goes away. I would do the same for my Mage, but it’s easier to get into a 5-man as a healer or tank…

    On the plus side, I have a really nice set of gear for level 20; the last 5-man dungeon I was in, I almost had more health than the tank!

    Lemme know where people plan to play, and I can roll something up there and play, at least until 20…

  67. 67.

    Hill Dweller

    September 24, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    That roughing the passer call, which nullified the Green Bay interception, was laughable.

  68. 68.

    Yutsano

    September 24, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    @Hill Dweller: And the Seahacks get a bunch of crap penalty calls. Sigh. I should have known better.

  69. 69.

    Brian

    September 24, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    “II IS…making it TOUGH…to WATCH…EVERY GAME!”
    Line of the season on the travesty which is the replacement refs.
    -Mike Tirico

  70. 70.

    Gravenstone

    September 24, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    Once again, the fake officials become the story of the game. Crap roughing call, specious hold, and an absolutely crystal clear cut case of offensive interference called on the defensive back. Totally inexcusable.

  71. 71.

    Or something like that.Suffern Ace

    September 24, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    Apparently passes should no longer be defended. Why bother?

  72. 72.

    smith

    September 24, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    Tirico and Gruden are absolutely killing the refs and they are two of the biggest “Nothing’s-Wrong-Everything’s-Fine” cheerleaders on the planet.
    (Yes, I know they did this last week too.)

    This has been a horrible, godawful, terrible abomination of a game.

  73. 73.

    MattR

    September 24, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    Does anybody know if yesterday’s Lions-Titans game was the first game in NFL history ended by a measurement for a first down? I think it has to be.

    @smith: I think Gruden hates ripping on the players from the booth (probably because he had too many of his players incorrectly critiqued by announcers who don’t have the whole story) but has never really had a problem criticizing the refs

  74. 74.

    Donut

    September 24, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    Well, now that was an appropriate ending to a crap-filled drive.

    No offense, Seahawks fans, but a score on that drive would not have been fairly earned.

  75. 75.

    MattR

    September 24, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    OMFG, will this be the straw that gives us back the real refs?

  76. 76.

    Geeno

    September 24, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    But Seattle pulls it out anyway.

    @MattR: probably not. The owners just don;t want to budge. It’s going to have to get worse.

  77. 77.

    freelancer (iPhone)

    September 24, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    Omg. Perfect ending for the ref shitshow

  78. 78.

    Gravenstone

    September 24, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    If this doesn’t put the nail in the coffin of the scab official experiment, nothing will. This season has officially entered the realm of farce.

  79. 79.

    James E. Powell

    September 24, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    How much more can NFL fans take?

    Packers have got to be pissed and when they watch that replay they are going to be really pissed.

  80. 80.

    Foxhunter

    September 24, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    What a farkin’ mess this is. And I don’t even like the Packers.

    They were fvcked. At least twice on this one play.

    This is worse than boxing.

  81. 81.

    Donut

    September 24, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    No fucking way. Stupidest. Game. Ever.

  82. 82.

    lol chikinburd

    September 24, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    We officially have Scab Event Horizon, in Week 3.

  83. 83.

    smith

    September 24, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    If this shittastic ending doesn’t bring the real refs back, nothing will.

    I am a Bears fan and FFS even I think the Pack got jobbed.

  84. 84.

    PS

    September 24, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    As a Packers fan, I’m apoplectic with rage right now. They clearly miss the blatant offensive PI on Tate; then they ignore the fact that Jennings CLEARLY comes down with the ball and Tate doesn’t even touch the ball until he’s on the ground.

    Fuckedy fucking fuck.

  85. 85.

    zzyzx

    September 24, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    Seahawks magic!!!!!!

    OK, it was an interception. Sorry Packers, you got robbed.

  86. 86.

    Or something like that.Suffern Ace

    September 24, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    God I hate Pete Carroll.

  87. 87.

    utterdregs

    September 24, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    Calvinball.

  88. 88.

    Or something like that.Suffern Ace

    September 24, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    Eggs. We need to start throwing god damned rotten eggs at the owners wherever we see them.

  89. 89.

    MattR

    September 24, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    @PS: It looks like Tate gets his hands on the ball while they are in the air, but then he clearly takes one hand off the ball as they go to the ground. Definitely a pick.

  90. 90.

    S. cerevisiae

    September 24, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    OK, I’m a Viking fan and the Packer fans should be rightfully livid about losing like this. They wuz robbed.

  91. 91.

    Noonan

    September 24, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    I can’t think of a better reason for the real refs to come back than that last drive.

  92. 92.

    smith

    September 24, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    So the Pack came back out? I wouldn’t blame them at all if they refused to come out.

    And Tirico and Gruden keep ripping the refs. Won’t do a shitload of good, but it is beautiful to listen to.

    If we thought Steve Young and Trent Dilfer were pissed off last week…

  93. 93.

    Unsympathetic

    September 24, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    If the owners don’t put the real refs back to work after this, they never will.

  94. 94.

    Noonan

    September 24, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    @Or something like that.Suffern Ace: What do Packers fans do? Egg ourselves? :(

  95. 95.

    MattR

    September 24, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    I think I am gonna go turn on the NFL Network to see how they spin this.

    And they are beating up the refs pretty good even before getting to the last play.

    OTOH, they also pretended that the last play was not controversial.

  96. 96.

    Donut

    September 25, 2012 at 12:02 am

    Question open for debate…should McCarthy have allowed 11 guys to come back out and “finish” this game for the extra point attempt?

    I’m sure he had to be thinking, at least for a minute, fuck it. Forfeit the game at that point. No one would hold it against him. Classy move on McCarthy’s part.

  97. 97.

    smith

    September 25, 2012 at 12:03 am

    @Donut:

    It was classy. McCarthy is a better man than I am because I would have said “Screw It” and not let my guys go out there as a form of protest.

  98. 98.

    MattR

    September 25, 2012 at 12:03 am

    @Donut: They would (or at least should) have run a play with no defense on the field if necessary.

  99. 99.

    Noonan

    September 25, 2012 at 12:03 am

    Larry McCarren on Packers Radio Network (at least three times during the last drive): “That was a crap call” including once when the Pack should’ve been called for interference.

  100. 100.

    mainmati

    September 25, 2012 at 12:04 am

    Green Bay got screwed last play of tonight’s game. I’m a Steelers guy so I’m not in for either team (though my uncle was once the Fire Chief for a precinct of Seattle – yo Uncle George). But, my god, Wilson got that Holy Mary pass though they gave it to the muddle.

    This lockout needs to be settled soon.

  101. 101.

    Noonan

    September 25, 2012 at 12:08 am

    McCarthy didn’t mention the refs at all in his postgame interview. Said “he was very disappointed”.

    I noticed Rodgers pushing a camera out of his way as they were clearing the field (before the review) and he looked pissed.

  102. 102.

    MattR

    September 25, 2012 at 12:09 am

    Commenters at ProFootballTalk have generally been very pro-owner but the comments on the hail mary post are just destroying Goodell and demanding the real refs back.

  103. 103.

    Donut

    September 25, 2012 at 12:09 am

    @MattR:

    Sure. I’m not disputing that it was a formality. I just personally think McCarthy would have been justified not sending any guys out there to participate in the play. He also came out on the field for the play.

    He didn’t have to, is the point, but he did anyway. That’s losing with grace. It was the right thing to do, regardless.

    I am a Packers fan, and I’m looking for something to help choke down this shit sammich.

  104. 104.

    Noonan

    September 25, 2012 at 12:11 am

    Anybody have any insight to how the Seattle local media is covering that last drive?

  105. 105.

    Gwangung

    September 25, 2012 at 12:11 am

    Man, even on Facebook, the locals fans are thinking the Pack got jobbed.

  106. 106.

    Geoduck

    September 25, 2012 at 12:14 am

    I was following the game via comments on a Seahawk fan-site; The officiating was bad all game long, the Seahawks were the ones who got lucky in the end.

  107. 107.

    MattR

    September 25, 2012 at 12:21 am

    @Donut: I just watched his press conference and he is definitely a better person than I am.

    I just wanted to point out that if he had chosen to keep his team in the locker room it would not have been a forfeit.

  108. 108.

    Loneoak

    September 25, 2012 at 12:55 am

    Fucking scabs stole the game from the socialist team. I blame Romney.

  109. 109.

    The prophet Nostradumbass

    September 25, 2012 at 1:12 am

    @Noonan: Well, here’s the Post-Intelligencer‘s (initial) article on the game.

  110. 110.

    J R in WVa

    September 25, 2012 at 3:38 am

    OK, I’m kinda a Packers fan cause they’re not owned by a rich turd like all the other teams. And it’s a bad thing that they (or any team) got butt-f’ed by the scabs.

    But that doesn’t stack up to the damage to the guy Sunday night who is probably still in the hospital, at least partly because the scabs can’t call a game right and don’t control the game at all. Or the risk to all the players on the field of every game being played with scabs on the field.

    I think the teams should do something to protect the life and career of their players… although it would probably get whoever tried to do something fired 2 wall-clock minutes after it became obvious something was being tried.

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