The Angel Moroni came down and pooped in the main hard drive of my work machine, so I’m halfway through replacing that now. What’s up in your neck of the woods?
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The Angel Moroni came down and pooped in the main hard drive of my work machine, so I’m halfway through replacing that now. What’s up in your neck of the woods?
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Belafon (formerly anonevent)
My oldest son’s high school band scheduled a car wash fund raise for today. And it’s raining over most of Texas. It should have been scheduled in August, in part because you can mostly count on it not raining that month, and also because it’ll be nearly impossible for them to reschedule. They have band stuff every weekend from next weekend until the end of October.
different-church-lady
I’m trying to get off the couch.
It’s harder than anything you’re doing.
Or something like that.Suffern Ace
@different-church-lady: So am I. Wanna form a support group? I’ll call the first meeting. Sometime. Maybe in 15 minutes.
trollhattan
Kid has a 1:00 soccer match and high-90s are predicted. There might be deaths. Yet my calendar says, “end of September.” 105 predicted tomorrow. Kan I haz fall, nao?
Linda Featheringill
Somebody came by and messed with the software of my work machine. Dunno any more. Help desk is gone until Monday at 7:00 Central Time.
So. There you are. Looks like my weekend just got a little longer. Hooray!
Villago Delenda Est
WoW pokemon is great fun!
Linda Featheringill
@trollhattan:
High 90s? 105 tomorrow? Lard! Where are you?
El Tiburon
El Tiburon Jr. has pneumonia and is in the hospital.
Guess I will be thankful for my mid-grade insurance but will still be in for a few thousand bucks for my deductible and 50% coverage and so on.
But grateful for the trained medical staff and medics and ambulance drivers. In Austin we are fortunate to have a dedicated Children’s Hospital: Dell Pediatrics.
I wonder what our journey would have been if I were (like Mitt wished) a poor hispanic or other minority with no insurance and just showed up at the emergency room somewhere with a sick child.
Also thankful that we can afford the deductibles and medicines and so on and that we have cars and family close by.
Otherwise this situation would be a complete nightmare.
trollhattan
@Linda Featheringill:
California’s
greatbroily Central Valley. I’m allowed to verify the 2012 wine vintage will be extra fruity.Found a Sunday forecast that says only 102, so they get my vote.
Also, too, we’ve shattered the September record for days over 90–i.e., nearly all of them.
arguingwithsignposts
New kitteh coming soon!
RossinDetroit, Rational Subjectivist
My neck of the woods for the next 4 hours is Gate B6 at the Monterrey, Mexico airport.
First sign that I am in a very Catholic country: the airport WiFi tells me this: “Sorry, but http://www.esquire.com is blocked on this network.
This site was categorized in: News/Media, Lingerie/Bikini”
Note that Playboy is for sale in the news stand. One of few English magazines. I bought Scientific American.
trollhattan
@El Tiburon:
Best wishes to the little shark for a speedy and complete recovery!
Pneumonia is not something you want to let progress to the point ambulances are required. I suppose Willard thinks it’s not something a decent person would ever contract, to begin with.
Violet
Rain, although it seems to be clearing out. I think this is a cool front, so maybe tomorrow will be nice.
Doing financial stuff, which is way fun. Ugh.
trollhattan
@RossinDetroit, Rational Subjectivist:
You need to let (lapsed Catholic) Pierce know of his vaunted status in Mexico. Being blocked should look good on the CV.
Baud
@RossinDetroit, Rational Subjectivist:
For the articles, I’m sure.
raven
Penn State is slappin the shit out of my Illini and the Dawgs don’t kick off for 3 hrs!
RossinDetroit, Rational Subjectivist
@trollhattan:
I’m in the same boat. Maybe we lapsers should Atone.
raven
@El Tiburon: Aw man I hope he gets well quickly.
Violet
@El Tiburon: Best wishes to Jr. for a speedy recovery. Glad you have the ability to take care of him when needed. That’s what insurance is for.
raven
@RossinDetroit, Rational Subjectivist: The catholic country that will become abortion headquarters if the wingnuts have their way?
Dennis SGMM
Gorging on streaming Netflix. We dropped HBO cable a couple of weeks ago in favor of Netflix and I just got ’round to digging through Netflix’ offerings. I have it on my other monitor while enjoying the conversations here.
Just finished “The Tudors.” Great laughs; “Well met, Lady Throckmorton. Now show us your tits.”
Lolis
I got bedbugs in my house after my trip to Europe. The worst thing that could have happened. I have no money for professional extermination so I am following online directions. I am grossed out by all bugs so this really sucks.
22over7
@El Tiburon:
Yikes. Thoughts and best wishes. Keep us posted.
I’m pondering Nietzschean eternal recurrance. I was under the assumption that he meant that everyone’s life occurred over and over until you got it right, or something (he was pretty wacked out on syphillis by then). But here it is, Saturday, and what do I do? Go to the grocery store, do the laundry, clean house, Saturday after Saturday.
Maybe he meant that eternal recurrance happens in this one life.
Maybe I should leave off the laundry next Saturday, just to see what happens.
Also, I’m googling pumpkin carving stencils.
Dennis SGMM
@El Tiburon:
Best wishes for the speedy recovery of your son. Sending good wishes to you and the rest of yours as well. There’s a reason that parents get gray hairs.
Anoniminous
@El Tiburon:
Best wishes for the Jr.
Gex
@Linda Featheringill: Wow, what’s going on with these work machines? Mine has a hard drive that is making interesting noises. So the goal is to make sure I stay backed up while still trying to get some work done this weekend. (Working on the weekends because the whole girlfriend with cancer thing is very time consuming.)
@El Tiburon: Hoping ET Jr. comes through good as new.
Robin G.
Attempting to prepare myself emotionally for tonight’s Doctor Who. Tissues on every surface, and pillows at hand for screaming into.
SiubhanDuinne
@arguingwithsignposts:
Delighted to hear that, but (I am almost afraid to ask this), is the lovely Lady Smudge no longer with us? Forgive me if I missed an announcement. My hope is that new kitteh is a companion.
The Fat Kate Middleton
@El Tiburon: Echoing others’ sentiments here – hoping the little shark is up and well soon. I spent a week in hospital with pneumonia myself a few months ago – it was way scary. It has to be even more so for the parent of a young one.
@Lolis: My sister had the same happen to her after a trip to Italy last fall. I remember how muffled her voice sounded on her cellphone, thanks to the plastic bag she had to keep it in.
suzanne
I am trying to do a fundraiser for a local Title One elementary school so that my company can plant some trees and build some raised-bed gardens. Sadly, the majority of companies I have approached are like, “Oh, that’s so nice of you! What a great cause! Go fuck yourself.”
Corner Stone
@22over7:
If you really want to test this theory I am willing to allow you to come to my house and perform these same tasks next Saturday. In the name of philosophical truth and man’s pursuit of deeper meaning.
suzanne
@El Tiburon: Best wishes to the little shark. It’s hard enough when they’re ill; ruminating on how very much shittier it would be if you didn’t have insurance makes one so thankful.
SiubhanDuinne
@El Tiburon:
Best wishes to your son. And thank you for such an eloquent statement of gratitude and acknowledgment that not everyone has the options you have, and that Rmoney would cheerfully remove even those if it meant another dime of income for the 1%.
But mostly, best wishes to the sharklet. May he have a speedy and full recovery.
arguingwithsignposts
@SiubhanDuinne: She’s still here. But I think she needs a companion. She spends the first five minutes after I get home in the afternoon complaining that I was gone too long during the day. Among other things.
PurpleGirl
@El Tiburon: I hope your son has a speedy recovery.
I’m not currently insured but since I live in NYC I have access to the City’s health service. Because of my economic situation, while I don’t get Medicaid, I can get discounted drugs at the hospital pharmacy. I just found out that one drug I take would cost $275 a month at full cost.
22over7
@Corner Stone:
In the name of philosophical truth and the pursuit of deeper understanding, I don’t think so.
dmsilev
I predict this will end well:
Cant you just see those aides? “Yes, Mr. Romney, that was both hilarious and a devastating putdown of Obama.”
trollhattan
@arguingwithsignposts:
Recommend you look at this before acting on your idea.
http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2012/09/29
suzanne
@Corner Stone:
Comments like this are why I deeply like you, even when you’re an asshole.
SiubhanDuinne
@arguingwithsignposts:
I think she would like it if you posted a picture of her. I think she thinks it’s been way too long.
trollhattan
@dmsilev:
Every one some variation on, “I know you are, but what am I?”
Hopefully, Willard can conjure up a Peewee voice for the debates.
arguingwithsignposts
@dmsilev:
This campaign is comedy gold, jerry!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@dmsilev: just saw that at Booman. Twitters, bloggers, Letterman, Stewart, Colbert, the two Jimmys, even Leno will have a forty eight hour field day, all the pre-game cable news shows will be saying “of course will be watching for Mr Romney’s ‘zingers’..” This reminds me of their promise of a “surprise speaker!” at the convention. David Petraeus? Nancy Reagan? Colin Powell? Clint Eastwood and an empty stool. Somebody in the Romney campaign either isn’t very good, or is an Obama mole.
SiubhanDuinne
@trollhattan:
Hmmm. The word FLICK in comic-strip punting looks like FUCK.
I couldn’t figure out why the cats were saying FUCK FUCK.
Schlemizel
@Belafon (formerly anonevent):
Saw a cute T-shirt that would make a great fund raiser – particularly in football crazy places.
dmsilev
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Well, in fairness to the Romney campaign, the new Microsoft Zinger 4.0 download pack has gotten decent reviews.
hep kitty
We gots rain. This August was so weird. It was mild and wet when it’s usually high 90’s and oppressively humid. Weird thing is we got that in July, the 100 degree days and then August was like June only with more rain. It has been so weird.
Still mild here. Cool nights, highs in 80’s, although that’s characteristic for September here. Or even hotter. And some hot days in October. Who knows this year.
But I can remember some hot days in December and January, Christmas in 80 degree weather, as a child. Not so much now, the winters are colder and more dangerous.
RossinDetroit, Rational Subjectivist
Airlines security is messed up here as well. Mexican TSA-equivalent confiscated the metal fork from my Boy Scout cutlery set in my backpack. In the terminal if you order restaurant food they give you a metal spoon, a plastic knife and a METAL fork that you could smuggle onto the plane! Mexican TSA-equivalent, your argument is invalid.
I missed most of the last few days’ Romney face-plants due to being extra-culturally immersed but was able to get English language CNN so I watched that. The Romney campaign’s floundering and flopsweat seems to be conventional wisdom now. hard to see how they turn that around.
Good.
gbear
It’s in the low 70’s and fall colors are peaking here so I’m attempting to get out for a scooter ride.
At the moment I’m watching the pissed off squirrels in my back yard dealing with the loss of a tree and a huge shrub that they used to use as a highway across my back yard. I found a tree removal guy who took out one whole tree, removed the huge shrub, removed a small dead crabapple tree, did a great job of trimming back some major branches on a birch tree and hauled away all the wood. His price was $125.00. I gave him $150 because I would have felt guilty otherwise.
Schlemizel
@Baud:
OH NO! I buy it for the pr0n! Give me one of those nice juice split neutrino shots baby!
Allen
It’s going to be a nice day here in Western Oregon once the coastal clouds burn off in the Willamette Valley, but we will be having typical fall weather here (don’t tell anyone).
As I have made abundantly clear I truly detest Football except for how well Oregon (the University of Nike) does. But they play Washington State today, who has upset them in the past, so good luck to the Duck’s this evening.
Amir Khalid
I be savouring Manchester United’s two-goal deficit to visitors Tottenham Hotspur.
Home defeat! Home defeat!
(This is on top of Liverpool winning 5 — 2 at Norwich. On that front, I do believe we’ve just glimpsed a patch of golden sky, and was that the lark clearing its throat?)
Yutsano
@Allen: I’m…not holding my breath. It’s more or less a neutral field (although Seattle is full of both Cougs and Ducks) but Wazzu has been sputtering this year. Unless Oregon goes totally slack (which has happened before) it won’t be close.
Schlemizel
@trollhattan:
Sadly, those are our cats – I see those wonderful shots of kittehs or kitteh & googie getting along as real friends & it breaks my heart. My damn cats hate each other & can’t even walk by without one hissing at the other
danielx
Cleaned out and washed da wheels for the first time in months, always a morale raiser. Then have to fetch more ingredients for chicken and sausage gumbo – always makes me twitchy to go to Walmart, but some things you can get more cheaply there than anywhere else.
quannlace
Time to limber up our cringe muscles.
*************
Finally bought my pooch a proper dog bed. Looks like a big fluffy donut. When she’s curled up in it, it makes a nice enclosing den for her. Which is good, cause she’s gotten very flighty from all the thunderstorms we’ve had this summer, so if three raindrops fall, it’s panic time!
SiubhanDuinne
@SiubhanDuinne:
Gods damn Word Press!!! Should be “printing,” not “punting.” Why does it DO that??
(Yes, I know it’s not WP at fault, it’s the auto-spell-correct thing in my iPad. But I’m used to blaming WP for things. WP is tough. It can take some random, undeserved abuse.)
arguingwithsignposts
@SiubhanDuinne: Here she is. The main trouble is she’s quick, and she knows she’s being photographed, so she doesn’t look.
bemused
Why in the world would they put that out in the news? Seems like a dopey strategy to me, boy, have we got some zingers to throw at Obama.
SiubhanDuinne
@quannlace:
“Smithers … you’re no Jack Kennedy.”
RossinDetroit, Rational Subjectivist
Gate call, gotta go. I may kiss the ground when I hit the runway in Detroit this evening. Air-kiss anyway. Cheers.
raven
@bemused: Because they are as stupid as the day is long?
Schlemizel
@gbear:
Gawd its beautiful in MN today! Absolutely the best weather you could hope for. Hope that holds as we are having a big family gathering tomorrow & it sure would be nice to spread out across the yard.
The national championship Gopher hockey team began defense of the title last night with a 7-0 drubbing of some toothpaste school (Crest? Gleem? Colgate?) Half of the Gopher scoring graduated last year (and being womens sports that actually means they graduated not just burned up their eligibility) but we have high hopes anyway.
trollhattan
@SiubhanDuinne:
I was giving you kewhl kidz points for knowing some obscure typographic term of art. Also, too, isn’t “punting” shoving a boat around using a pole?
SiubhanDuinne
@arguingwithsignposts:
Ah, she’s still a love. Thank you. I’ve missed seeing her. Hope your new kitteh is more of a camera ham.
Davis X. Machina
@bemused: Having people tune in and watch for the zingers, and ignoring everything else, is still preferable to having no one watch at all.
Which is how it was shaping up.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
“I shall now use a little humor, a zinger, if you will–hah hah, that only just now occurred to me…”
I can’t afford it, but if Obama comes back (I think we’ll all be able to spot them) with “is that one of the ones you’ve been rehearsing since August?” I”ll be forced to max out to the Victory Fund.
lamh35
@dmsilev:
Sweet Jesus” that’s the stupidest strategy ever. To do that, you’d need a more undisciplined debater than Obama. If you believe that Obama is not a great debater, then at the very least ya gotta believe he’s too disciplined and reasoned to even give Romney an opening.
Plus, a zinger or two is one thing, but a debate of only zingers and no substance is a very bad strategy for Romney to take, IMHO.
(btw, when you google “Sweet Jesus”, the like 3rd video down is Joe Scarborough’s “Sweet Jesus” reaction to Romney…it’s officially viral ya’ll..LOL)
Davis X. Machina
@Amir Khalid: Bright spot, but a spot, but bright. It’s a long road back — three, four years. And John Henry’s group aren’t a bunch of dodgy petro-spivs.
Kopites gotta keep the faith, and keep it for a while. When you’re starting 16-year-olds, however talented, you’re in for the long haul.
bemused
@raven:
Pretty much. How in the world they actually expect Mitt to pull off zingers effectively is beyond me. This would make a good drinking game, if he adlibs, if he confuses two zingers together….
trollhattan
They’ve hired a research team to determine what sum of money is funnier than ten-thousand dollars. They’ll come up with seventeen-thousand dollars while the actual answer is “thirty quatloos.”
Anoniminous
@dmsilev:
Now we know why those bonuses were paid.
bemused
@Schlemizel:
You said it! Warm, no bugs, love September in MN. The fall colors up north are spectacular too, at their peak now.
Mnemosyne
@Schlemizel:
We have three, and the two girls run hot and cold with each other. Sometimes they’re fine, and then sometimes they go through a phase where Annie is trying to cause some kind of realignment and she hisses at Charlotte every time Charlotte walks by. Which eventually goads Charlotte into tackling Annie’s head just to teach her a lesson.
IMO, having two (neutered) boys or a girl and a boy together works just fine, but having two females together can be tricky. If your problem kitties are two females, maybe you could mix in a male — that seems to help in our house, at least.
lamh35
How Democratic Ads Are Exploiting Romney’s ‘47 Percent’ Moment
Amir Khalid
@lamh35:
If Obama yields him no opening for one of his rehearsed zingers — or, worse for Mitt, manages to rattle him — will Mitt end up losing his discipline and firing the zingers off any old how?
Robin G.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Oh, please God, let Obama say that. Please. I’ll tithe 10% for the rest of my life and sacrificed a fatted calf into the bargain.
Anoniminous
@bemused:
The strategy is if Romney puts two zingers together he’ll get a ho-ho.
danielx
@Schlemizel:
Must be going around; central Indiana has been gifted with gorgeous fall weather for a couple of weeks now and we’ve gotten lots of rain. Leaves are changing, in the upper 60s during the day and 40s at night. If we had weather like this all year around people would be lined up to move here. Unfortunately, soon will come…the next thing.
In the meantime listening to some Neil Young with Unknown Legend. One of my favorite lyrics…
I used to order just to watch her float across the floor…
raven
@Amir Khalid: Wanna bet, huh, huh? I’ll betcha 10,000 bucks buddy. What, you chicken?
Schlemizel
@Mnemosyne:
Yeah, they are both girls – if we decide to get another one after the cranky old broad dies we’ll have to consider an ex-boy one.
Thanks for the tip!
El Tiburon
Thanks for all the well wishes. Shark jr. is progressing and I think all will be good.
Shark Jr’s Mom and I were discussing how difficult this process would be to not have a car, not have some expendable cash, not have family close by, not be able to take a few days off of work.
And I should have said that we will be able to handle somewhat the large deductible ($2,500 I think) but it will be a big wallop to the pocketbook no doubt.
Also we are fortunate that we live in Austin where Michael and Susan Dell live who in part made this children’s facility possible. We were told if we took him to any other hospital they would transfer him here. Which makes you wonder if there was no Dell Children’s Hospital, what would happen?
I can only imagine (well I really can’t) life in the inner-city of a place like Detroit or similar. I just don’t see those children having access to this kind of care.
dmsilev
@Amir Khalid: Probably. Or he’ll fire off the first half of one zinger and the second half of another, and finish it off by somehow letting it be known that he does not care for anyone with a net worth less than $50 million.
trollhattan
@Amir Khalid:
He’s a bidnezman and if he paid for them, he’s going to harvest them. I expect them to come tumbling out during “final statements.”
“Mister President, I knew John Galt, there you go again, I served
withJohn Galt, I won’t hold your age against me, and I can tell you, you’re no John Galt, also, too, in what way, Charlie?” At which point some aide comes from stage left and pulls a thumb drive out of Willard’s ass.SiubhanDuinne
@trollhattan:
That was actually what I meant. Yeah, that’s it! That’s the ticket!
It is indeed. I’ve mentioned before around these parts what a fan I am of Dorothy L. Sayers. I think my favourite scene in my favourite book is the “punting scene” in Gaudy Night.
lamh35
Many GOP Operatives Conceding Ohio
Jim, Foolish Literalist
from MittZingers on the twitter
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dmsilev
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Heh:
Baud
@dmsilev:
God, I hope one of those involves the use of the phrase “poo-poo head.”
shortstop
@SiubhanDuinne: That is a very sexy scene.
Amir Khalid
Three goals in three crazy minutes at Old Trafford, two of them for the home team. Spurs are still up, 2 — 3.
SiubhanDuinne
@shortstop:
That it is. I’d take 50 Shades of Gaudy any day of the week.
burnspbesq
I’m starting to think it must have been easier being the parent of a college freshman before text messages and Facebook.
Anoniminous
After many hours, yesterday and today, looking for hard information about the House races I’ve had to throw up my hands. There’s too many unknowns to attempt a conclusion. The biggest one is how many 65+ will vote for Obama, Romney’s support in that demographic has collapsed, and for the Dem House candidate; how many will ticket split: vote for Obama and for the Rep House candidate. Another imponderable is this is the first House election since redistricting (gerrymandering.) If voting goes as expected the GOP will keep control. Slightly countering this is it’s a pretty shrewd guess Dems will pick-up some seats. Enough? No way of telling until we get closer to November.
If anybody has any time or money left throwing ’em into House elections is a maximum payoff strategy.
Fluke bucket
Will Baylor +13 be enough?
1badbaba3
@Fluke bucket: I dunno. But this game is seriously awesome. Unless you’re one of those “three yards and a cloud of dust” types.
Defense? We don’t need no stinkin’ defense.
scav
Mmmmm, so was the airplane windows event a gold-standard zinger that escaped into the wild too soon? Or a reject that wasn’t erased properly from the queue?
Amir Khalid
Spurs have hung on at Old Trafford for a historic (first since 1989!) 3 — 2 win over Manchester United. The Imperial Lord Ferg will no doubt be aiming the hairdrier at his players.
Amir Khalid
@scav:
The latter, I suspect. Either way, Mitt’s inability to deliver a joke tells me the zinger tactic is not going to work out well for him, even if Obama decides to be sporting and let him fire off a few.
1badbaba3
Anytime man u loses ‘ti’s truly a cause for celebration.
In other news: went to the toity and missed three WVA touchdowns. Jeez Louise that Geno Smith is torching those poor bastids.
ms badger
@El Tiburon: Best wishes for your son’s complete and speedy recovery.
Comrade Mary
@El Tiburon: Oh my God — best wishes for your son, you and your family, and I hope he’s better soon!
danielx
@El Tiburon:
Best wishes for the speedy recovery of your son. I’ve spent much more than my share of time waiting around or visiting children’s hospitals, and they are definitely a comfort.
They also do wonders for your sense of perspective – “It’s hard to be here, but I don’t really have problems. Those people over there, they have problems.”
Amir Khalid
@El Tiburon:
Don’t forget to keep us posted on the Little Shark’s progress. Everyone here cares.
Comrade Mary
@Robin G.: I’ll be distracting myself in various ways until I get my copy downloaded tomorrow. Must avoid spoilers everywhere until then!
Meanwhile, up here in Canada, Omar Khadr has been released from Guantanamo and has been sent to Millhaven, one of our maximum security prisons. He’s got 6 years left in his sentence, but could get parole as early as next year.
dance around in your bones
I just knew there would be MittZingers on the Twitter. even though I don’t Twit….tweet….twat.
Oh, and El Tiburon? I’m wishing all good outcomes with your kid. I know what it’s like to have a seriously ill child, and it’s no fucking bueno. So, best wishes.
Ruckus
Angel Moroni came down and pooped in the main hard drive
Asshole came down and pooped in my only hard drive.
Maybe it’s the water, or the phase of the moon.
Ruckus
@burnspbesq:
Oh, I doubt that.
We only had our parents and a few close friends to bitch at. The audience is much larger now. Pretty sure it hasn’t changed the amount of bitching though.
WereBear
@El Tiburon: Best wishes for a speedy recovery. It’s good that you are able to count your blessings at such a time.
WereBear
@arguingwithsignposts: How exciting! It is good that you listen to the Lady Smudge.
A useful article:
Does the new cat pass the smell test?
You can enlist your current cat’s help in picking the new one!
jrosen
Take a look at WaPo article by Steve Pearlstein. I can’t wait to see how the trolls deal with this one. (Is it just me, but have they gone underground in places like Salon and WaPo? I don’t see them so much as usual.)
Shadows mom
Selling hot dogs and chips to the seniors who lay bingo in my community on first/last Saturdays. Replaced the screen n my old,mpersonal t61 ( partner tossed keys to me and they hit the screen, but I’ve got two extra screws, a two part plastic roller piece that fits midway between lid and the base at the hinge side, and a connector that I couldn’t figure out where it goes.
Manning data desk for ofaca tonight, and will probably spend part of the night disassembling / reassembling the t61. If all else fails, I’ll have the local computer shop put it back together properly.
burnspbesq
West Virginia 70, Baylor 63?
How many times did Griner dunk?
Oh … never mind.