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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2012 / Post-Debate Open Thread

Post-Debate Open Thread

by Anne Laurie|  October 11, 201210:51 pm| 277 Comments

This post is in: Election 2012, Open Threads

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Well, that felt good, didn’t it?

Many thanks to Joe Patrice for his most instructive liveblogging, and I for one hope he’ll be willing to join us for the remaining Presidential debates as well.

On a personal note, while I didn’t get my fondest wish to see Uncle Joe give Lyin’ Ryan a noogie onstage, from his facial expressions I suspect Ryan feels like that happened!

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  1. 1.

    RedKitten

    October 11, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    That was just too damned much fun, for both me AND for Joe. Seriously. I don’t think Ryan could be more pissed off if Joe came to his house and shit in his clothes dryer.

  2. 2.

    Comrade Jake

    October 11, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    Biden literally did not say “literally” once, thus ruining my entire plan to get blitzed during the debate.

  3. 3.

    Jeff Spender

    October 11, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    I don’t give a flying frak what the media says, that was AWESOME.

    It’s good to support people who know what they’re talking about. I don’t want to lose, but there is some comfort in knowing that if we do, we went down fighting and on the right side of history.

  4. 4.

    YoohooCthulhu

    October 11, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Anyone else notice that Ryan gives off that funny “earnest undergrad” vibe? I’m 30 and I feel like he’s younger than me when I watch him on TV.

  5. 5.

    freelancer

    October 11, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Anyone else bust into outright laughter when the camera cut from the splitscreen to full shot of Ryan as he prepared to give his plastic inauthentic closing statement?

    I know I did.

  6. 6.

    Violet

    October 11, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    I need a cigarette and I don’t even smoke. That was awesome.

    Funny thread at GOS with photos from the debate. A beatdown in photos: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/11/1143370/-A-debate-beatdown-in-pictures

  7. 7.

    kvenlander

    October 11, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Joe Effing Big Deal Biden is in the house! I am going to hit the donate button tonight until it bleeds.

  8. 8.

    Gian

    October 11, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    I remember how in 2004 Cheney was asked immediately with the first question about the massive intelligence failure that was 9/11
    like how Biden was tossed the libya question.

    right?

  9. 9.

    BGinCHI

    October 11, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Anne, it was a figurative Atomic Wedgie.

    I’ll settle for that….

  10. 10.

    MikeJ

    October 11, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    They were shot from mid chest up, but somehow I *know* Biden kicked Ryan in the balls.

  11. 11.

    Yutsano

    October 11, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    I’m sorry I missed it. But I got an unexpected field trip, pizza for lunch, and now I got an attorney trying to snowjob me. This could get fun…

  12. 12.

    smith

    October 11, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Ryan is probably ticked off. He probably thought he was going to get questions on his running marathons and his bitchin’ Six Pack.

  13. 13.

    trollhattan

    October 11, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    This may win the internets on a very competitive night.

    tbogg Joe Biden is currently en route to Andrew Sullivan’s house to softly rock him to sleep.

  14. 14.

    eohippus

    October 11, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Apparently the Republican post-debate spin is that Biden was “rude.” Tuned into the live feed long enough to hear some butthurt teatard Senator whining about it.

  15. 15.

    martha

    October 11, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    Thanks so much to everyone, especially DougJ and mistermix for setting up the Coveritlive…I have used it for other events and it worked really well…so glad it worked here.

  16. 16.

    RinaX

    October 11, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    @freelancer:

    That shit scared me. My god, he’s a creepy fuck.

  17. 17.

    dmsilev

    October 11, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    @Comrade Jake: You should have taken ‘my friend’ as your backup drink cue.

  18. 18.

    mai naem

    October 11, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    I love Joe Biden and I hope the President spent some time watching Joe kick Lyin’ Ryan around over and over and over….

  19. 19.

    freelancer

    October 11, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    Act Blue widget, Anne. This thread needs one.

  20. 20.

    Keith

    October 11, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    Thanks, Joe! I believed in you (unlike Chait, who has fallen into groupthink, apparently forgetting that Biden has debated plenty of times and has been a Senate committee chairmen for YEARS)

    EDIT: BTW, I loved that Biden would talk over Paul and (usually) get him to stop talking. Showed who was alpha, and that makes a difference.

  21. 21.

    YellowJournalism

    October 11, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    Rience Preiebus is coming off looking like Ellis from Die Hard as he tries to attack Biden on his laughs and interrupting rather than answer the question of why Ryan could not go into details of his tax plan.

  22. 22.

    gelfling545

    October 11, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    I actually cast concern for my blood pressure aside & watched some of the debate after being tempted by the blogging. I don’t care what any idiot in the media has to say. This is pure, outright win and I wouldn’t have had the VP do a single thing differently.

  23. 23.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 11, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    I was doing a lot of multi tasking and a bit of channel surfing, but I’m a bit surprised people are saying Ryan won on Benghazi. I think it remains far too complicated for their talking points.

    Also, I would’ve loved to see Biden rip into Romney just for the sheer demagoguery of the title “No Apologies”, especially when Ryan started mewling about how Willard worked with democrats, didn’t demonize, didn’t demagogue… 70% of his campaign has been racially-tinged talk radio demagoguery. But that’s my high-information voter pony, I guess

    And CNN is a self-parody of a cowering pseudo-news organization trapped in early 2005.

  24. 24.

    trollhattan

    October 11, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    @Comrade Jake:
    I had a giant “Scranton” red wine chug–a very 11:59 moment.

  25. 25.

    Original Lee

    October 11, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Except for the first question, it was fun. Who wants to bet Issa blew the CIA’s cover on purpose today? I’m glad Biden had enough self-restraint not to divulge state secrets. I’m sure it was hard for Biden to answer that question without doing actual physical violence to Ryan’s guff.

  26. 26.

    Anya

    October 11, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Via DKos

    I miss Jim Lehrer. @NewsHour #debate
    — @KarlRove via Twitter for iPhone

  27. 27.

    Violet

    October 11, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Hilarious–Ryan’s getting his mom to write a note for him now. For reals.

  28. 28.

    weaselone

    October 11, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Biden exposed Ryan’s reputation as a wonk as a complete fraud. Naturally, the media is overwhelmingly spinning it as a closely fought tie with Biden coming off too aggressive at times. The irony, she is thick. They’ve been fluffing Romney’s aggressive debate performance nonstop, but Biden essentially pulls off the same debate with more facts and less lies and it’s a draw and he’s too aggressive.

  29. 29.

    BGinCHI

    October 11, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    @Yutsano: Biden was strong, smart, and poised. He set the table for Obama to come back and own Romney.

  30. 30.

    Spaghetti Lee

    October 11, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    I’m hoping this does for Obama what, say, seeing Larry Bird sink 20 straight jumpers would do for Michael Jordan: time to bring your A-Game.

  31. 31.

    mai naem

    October 11, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    And this is good news from Andrew Sullivan’s health.

  32. 32.

    Comrade Jake

    October 11, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Biden crushed him on Afghanistan, IMO. Who are you going to trust? The guy whose kid served in Iraq who knows what he’s talking about or the guy who’s actually just a kid who crammed for the FP quiz?

  33. 33.

    gnomedad

    October 11, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Read somewhere before the debate that the right is gonna dump on Martha Raddatz and I fully expect this. She was awesome.

  34. 34.

    smintheus

    October 11, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Biden mopped the floor with Ryan. Ryan sounded vacuous and he was repeating lame Faux talking points he couldn’t back up whenever he was pressed on them. His worst point was when he paused for more than 5 seconds when asked whether women should worry about a Romney administration outlawing abortion…and then answered, basically, yes they should. But he made so many unforced errors, and was completely unable to respond to Biden’s mauling, that it was delicious to behold. Empty suit Ryan.

  35. 35.

    Robin G.

    October 11, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Joe Patrice, when you talked about brinks and solvency and flow I had to light a cigarette. Policy debate forever.

  36. 36.

    lamh35

    October 11, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    I posted a few threads back an article by Dave Weigel on how Biden is underestimated at the GOP’s peril. He went back and looked at Biden’s debate performances since he’s been in da game and Biden’s debate performances were/are stellar.

  37. 37.

    donnah

    October 11, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Fantastic. Old Handsome Joe outdid himself. Ryan looked like a teenager trying to outsmart a professor, and he came off badly.

    I’m hoarse from yelling at the TV and lawdy, the swears! I’m going to hell for sure.

  38. 38.

    BGinCHI

    October 11, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    This would have been better:

    tbogg: Joe Biden is currently en route to Andrew Sullivan’s house to softly rock him to sleep smother him with the collected works of Henry James stuffed into a vintage pillow.

  39. 39.

    mb

    October 11, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    RE: noogie

    On Afghanistan, he ripped his head off and shoved it up his ass. Kind of made the noogie moot.

  40. 40.

    digitals3rf

    October 11, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    Lest we get too giddy–will this actually move the polls at all? I doubt it.

    OK, a little bit giddy–FUCK YEAH JOE BIDEN!!!! He took an “Onion” and smashed it the FUCK into the smug git Ryan’s puss!

    Now Barack, unleash some of that inner Angry Black Man. Really, the people want you to!

  41. 41.

    dmsilev

    October 11, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    Quite a contrast in closing statements. Ryan was reading talking points off a teleprompter (OK, probably not really, but it sure as hell looked like it), and Biden was actually speaking sincerely.

  42. 42.

    ChrisNYC

    October 11, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    So satisfying. And, I have to say, I’m really happy that JB did so great and kicked ass with the perfect tone, in this high profile way. The MSM will talk about the smiling and laughing but Biden can so get away with that shit because he just vibes nice guy. The sort of “oh gaffe machine” bit is really old and really wrong with him. Glad he’s got this big showy win, after lots of years. Judging by his (very low, for a longtime Senator) net worth, he’s a real public servant and not in it for the cash. Good for him. Couldn’t be more pleased.

  43. 43.

    gelfling545

    October 11, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    @Anya: OOO Did he make a funny?

  44. 44.

    Dave

    October 11, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    @lamh35: They really are. Everyone seems to forget that Biden came up with one of the great all-time lines in reference to Rudy Guiliani in 2008: “Noun, verb and 9/11”.

    The man knows how to bring it in a debate.

  45. 45.

    OGLiberal

    October 11, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    Halptin gave Ryan a B and Biden a B-. He was scoring from McCain tire swing. Blitzes called it a push. Can we all shut up about te liberal fucking media.

  46. 46.

    lamh35

    October 11, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    ‏@danabrams
    Not surprised Rt @cbsnews INSTANT POLL of Undecided Voters: Who won #VPdebate? BIDEN: 50% RYAN: 31% TIE: 19% #vpdebates

  47. 47.

    TheMightyTrowel

    October 11, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    Oh NOW you’re Jack Kennedy?!?

    http://nowth.is/OXhUBh

    exchange of the night

  48. 48.

    Comrade Jake

    October 11, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    I’ll take “gaffe-prone” Biden any day of the week and twice on Sundays. His bit about Ryan writing him letters was perfect. Biden treated Ryan with the contempt he deserves.

  49. 49.

    PsiFighter37

    October 11, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    Biden won, no doubt. I have no pit-in-the-stomach like I did during the Denver debacle. Biden absolutely smacked, crushed, and WWE-style slammed Ryan into the fucking canvas.

    I’ll sleep well tonight. And then I’ll wake up tomorrow and read whatever Nate Silver is concern-trolling about.

  50. 50.

    RinaX

    October 11, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    I got this from Kos:

    CBS snap poll of undecided voters: Biden 50, Ryan 31, Tie 19

  51. 51.

    geg6

    October 11, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Fucking Tbogg gets off all the great lines.

  52. 52.

    Helen

    October 11, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    YAY! That is all.

  53. 53.

    hamletta

    October 11, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    I loves me some Joe Biden. He could be one of my uncles.

    My mom was a Hillary supporter in 2008, and she was a little shaky on the whole Obama thing, but his choosing Joe sold her.

    It was good that he wasn’t fighting a gurrrl, so he could let loose. He laughed at that punk like he needed to be laughed at.

    Joe may be a GOB, but he’s fucking brilliant. When he looked into the camera and addressed the olds like this PX90WTF douche is gonna take away their heart medication, he was golden.

  54. 54.

    Baud

    October 11, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    Hopefully this puts an end to the hand-wringing.

    Forward.

  55. 55.

    LanceThruster

    October 11, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    I tried watching but tuned out at the first question. It is painful to see Romney/Ryan posturing on foreign policy mistakes as if they could be trusted not to step on their peckers with track shoes in most every case. These are the same folks who were asked by the family of the Navy Seal(?) killed to stop using their dead son for their own political aims.

    I’ll get filled in on whatever had merit from the post analysis.

    Thanks to the rest of you for sticking it out.

  56. 56.

    mai naem

    October 11, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    I cannot fvcking believe that Ryan mentioned JFK. Seriously, who the fvck was prepping him? JFK. Dan Quayle. Does nobody in the Ryan prep team watch teevee?

  57. 57.

    lamh35

    October 11, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    @TheMightyTrowel: favorite line of the night

    Even the “silent” audience laughed at that one.

  58. 58.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 11, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    FYWP ate my comment
    could someone who’s on the twitter remind Mikey Scherer of “date rape”?

    michaelscherer ‏@michaelscherer
    A baby, a bathtub :) RT @GroverNorquist: Watching Biden smirk reminds us where incivility comes from in DC.
    Expand Reply Retweet Favorite

  59. 59.

    YellowJournalism

    October 11, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    I missed that jab about Sarah Palin over panels. Joe Biden can chuckle all he fucking wants when shit like that is brought up again.

    They are going to bitch about Biden being rude and about the supposedly unfair moderator, but they can’t get Biden on the substance of what he says. CNN asked an undecided who won. She bitched about Biden’s attitude, but she admitted that Ryan had no details and didn’t answer questions.

  60. 60.

    Sarah, Proud and Tall

    October 11, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Thanks to DougJ and mistermix, and to sexy sexy Uncle Joe Biden.

    That was quite beautiful.

  61. 61.

    Betsy

    October 11, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    As Mark Kleiman said at the end of his debate live blog tonight,

    “Well, that should stop the bleeding, anyway.”

  62. 62.

    Soonergrunt

    October 11, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    CBS flash poll:
    Who won
    Biden 50%
    Ryan 30%

    Mark Halperin
    Biden B-
    Ryan B

    So, same as it ever was.

    CNN poll
    I don’t have numbers yet

    The Wingnuts are crowing about a CNBC poll, but CNBC hasn’t put a poll in the field.

    UPDATE–It’s a web poll on the CNBC homepage. And those are ALWAYS trustworthy!

  63. 63.

    Bobby Thomson

    October 11, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    @weaselone:

    Naturally, the media is overwhelmingly spinning it as a closely fought tie with Biden coming off too aggressive at times. The irony, she is thick. They’ve been fluffing Romney’s aggressive debate performance nonstop, but Biden essentially pulls off the same debate with more facts and less lies and it’s a draw and he’s too aggressive.

    Well, Ryan isn’t near.

  64. 64.

    chopper

    October 11, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Jesus, Ryan just straight up refused to answer the tax math question. that was brutal.

  65. 65.

    Kadzimiel

    October 11, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Paul Ryan now knows exactly what creamed wheat feels like.

  66. 66.

    TheMightyTrowel

    October 11, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Also guys: if you have a bit chip in! (BJ ACT BLUE LINK)

  67. 67.

    suzanne

    October 11, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    If Joey B wants to have a harem, I would be thrilled to be a member.
    GOD, HE’S SO AWESOME.

  68. 68.

    Political Observer

    October 11, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    HALPERIN’S TAKE:

    Ryan B

    Biden B-

    CNN FOCUS GROUP:

    Says it’s a draw.

    Sorry, Dems. Romney’s momentum continues! Biden smirked, sighed, rolled his eyes, and was way too dismissive. Ryan looked calm, cool, collected, and Presidential.

    The CNN SNAP POLL soon to come!

    Literally folks. Literally.

  69. 69.

    max

    October 11, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    @YoohooCthulhu: Anyone else notice that Ryan gives off that funny “earnest undergrad” vibe?

    Heh. I think you give him too much credit. To repeat myself from the liveblog, the guy has this really irritating high squeak in his voice that I associate with upper-class wanna be frat boys from high school. The kind of guy that would screw his hot girlfriend and then dump her for being a ‘slut’. So yeah.

    I didn’t realize DougJ was liveblogging on the blog, so I didn’t see him call Ryan a douche. So as I said in the other liveblog, those two are douchebag central, the platonic ideal douchebags of douchebaggery, even if, or especially if the word has gone out of style.

    I think Joe did great! A *tactical* draw (and that’s the best Ryan got) is a strategic win, since the R feint to their left has ground to a halt and they’re going to have to switch back to their main attack – the main attack from their right.

    max
    [‘We got ’em.’]

  70. 70.

    Anya

    October 11, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    @gelfling545: I know. What a loser.

    @OGLiberal: Shameless hack is being shameless.

  71. 71.

    Tractarian

    October 11, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    That was one dominant, Romney-esque debate performance.

    Joe F’in Biden. God love ‘im.

  72. 72.

    gnomedad

    October 11, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    @TheMightyTrowel:

    Oh NOW you’re Jack Kennedy?!?

    Much as Quayle may have deserved it, I thought Bentsen’s slam was a rehearsed cheap shot. This was genius.

  73. 73.

    dmsilev

    October 11, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    THe Onion has their post-debate story up:

    “Listen, I know I’m the last person in the world to give you all a lecture on morality,” said Biden pacing the tabletop as the auditorium lights laid bare every world-weary crease and crevice in his 69-year-old face. “I’ve sure as shit made my fair share of mistakes. I’ve ridden through some pretty dicey places in my Trans-Am, had one or two run-ins with the law, and spent more than a few nights in county. I’ve done things…terrible things. I’ve got a list of regrets a mile wide, and there are nights when those regrets frankly tear me up inside. Just tear me right up.”
    __
    “But despite all this, I still have my dignity,” Biden added. “And nobody can take that away from me, no matter what. It’s what keeps me human. It’s what keeps me alive.”

  74. 74.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 11, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    @Soonergrunt: Rachel Maddow just said that CBS poll is specifically of ‘undecideds”.

  75. 75.

    Betsy

    October 11, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    Jose’s expressions for the entire first half of the debate were a wholly well-founded series of looks that said “Young man, you surprise and dismay me with you insensibility and puppyism.”

    But I’ll bet you an apple the pundits will never shut up for the next three or four days, at least, about how Joe’s facial expressions “lost” him the debate — when any normal human can see what a complete puppy Ryan is, and contemptible his “ideas ” are.

  76. 76.

    Liberty60

    October 11, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    @Political Observer:
    Halperin?
    Seriously?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  77. 77.

    Linda Featheringill

    October 11, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    I enjoyed the debate. My daughter set me up with a split screen so I could watch the debate and the live blogging at the same time. Cool.

    Thank you, Daughter Unit. You’re brilliant!

  78. 78.

    YellowJournalism

    October 11, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    Her… Hanitty looks like someone pissed in his cereal bowl.

  79. 79.

    sb

    October 11, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    @Political Observer: Mark Halperin said Ryan looked presidential?

    Jesus Christ.

  80. 80.

    trollhattan

    October 11, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    @mai naem:
    He was about two, at least developmentally, so it didn’t register I’m guessing. The car wreck opening was equally gobsmacking. WTF?!

  81. 81.

    JenJen

    October 11, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    Bill Maher had the tweet of the night, just 35 minutes in:

    Hello 9 1 1? There’s an old man beating a child on my tv

  82. 82.

    DPS

    October 11, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    That Joe Biden sure is a gaffe-prone goofball, isn’t he?

  83. 83.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 11, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    Halperin is a fucking douche. also, too,

    Nick Confessore ‏@nickconfessore
    MT @justinwolfers: The six studies that Paul Ryan was citing in defense of his tax plan? 4 are blog posts or op-eds. (via @jbarro)
    Retweeted by Charles P. Pierce
    Expand Reply Retweet Favorite

  84. 84.

    Kadzimiel

    October 11, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    @Political Observer:

    And the Browns are going to the Superbowl, right?

  85. 85.

    Jay

    October 11, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    I really, really wish Biden had hit Ryan on the congressman’s “rape is just another method of conception” comment or that Obama and/or Biden brings it up soon. Reference when Ryan said it. Name the interviewer. Ryan’s comment attributes an ordinariness to rape that the act certainly doesn’t deserve, so Ryan’s remark is soft – on – crime and just plain stupid.

    Sweet Jeebus, does anyone who reads this blog have a serious line to the Obama campaign? Ryan would’ve been blown offstage by a Biden attack on that, and this race would change yet again.

  86. 86.

    ploeg

    October 11, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    @TheMightyTrowel:

    Charles P. Pierce ‏@ESQPolitics
    OK, paul. Let’s go back to the Jack Kennedy top rate. Deal! #VPdebate

  87. 87.

    trollhattan

    October 11, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    @JenJen:
    Ooh, that’s good.

  88. 88.

    RaflW

    October 11, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    My BF and I laughed our butts off when Biden said “Oh, you’re Jack Kennedy now?” in total surprise, while Ryan was speaking. Off the cuff, rude in a delightful way, because Joe literally couldn’t believe this punk was gonna reference Kennedy.

    The single best moment of the night.

  89. 89.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    October 11, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Joe knocked it out of the fucking park tonight. Twenty five minutes in to it my wife laughed out loud and said “The debate is over! Damn, and I popped lots of popcorn for it.” Although Biden clubbed Screech like a baby seal, it was glorious to watch.

    It was like watching a teenager debate an adult, no fucking contest.

  90. 90.

    weaselone

    October 11, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    @YellowJournalism:

    Probably Ryan. All the water he drank during the debate had to go somewhere.

  91. 91.

    blingee

    October 11, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Post debate analysis by CNN and the other talking heads re-affirms my suspicion that they have their fingers on the scale. Many calling it a tie or very narrow victory for Biden. That is just horseshit.

    Obama didn’t lose the debate. At least not by much. It was the media that created that.

  92. 92.

    Spaghetti Lee

    October 11, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    @Political Observer:

    Because people here trust Halperin and CNN so much. Jesus, dude, you’ll never be a good troll if you don’t know your audience.

  93. 93.

    sb

    October 11, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    @Betsy: The second paragraph? I’m afraid this is going to be true.

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    Liberty60

    October 11, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    @sb:

    Mark Halperin said Ryan looked presidential?

    Of the Waukeegan Dungeons and Dragons Gamer club? Sure, ok.

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    jurassicpork

    October 11, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    Just gone done live-tweeting the debate (@jurassicpork59). I hope my followers appreciated my doing that. I’m 53 and haven’t gone for 90 minutes without peeing since 1999. Essentially, Ryan looked as if he was getting prison shower raped by the Cheshire Cat. Considering what Biden did to him, he might as well have spent Gay Pride in Provincetown or the Castro and he would’ve had more fun. Poor Karl Rove’s Twitter feed literally stank of bile, quaaludes and Jack Daniels. I’ll post the better tweets tomorrow. I’m wiped.

    In the meantime, if you folks could help make our Halloween a little less terrifying than it already is, we’d sure appreciate it.

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    rikyrah

    October 11, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    YEAH, RIDE OR DIE JOE!!!

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    Political Observer

    October 11, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    Verdict. A TIE says #Focusgroup. 32% for @JoeBiden . 32% for @RepPaulRyan. 35% no winner. #cnndebates ” – @ErinBurnett

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 11, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    someone mentioned a CNBC poll…?

    @ ezraklein: Ridiculous that @ cnbc is tweeting the results of an online poll as if it’s a real poll. Worse that journalists are retweeting

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    Bob In Portland

    October 11, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    Bengazi and Solyndra.

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    DPS

    October 11, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    I enjoy Political Observer’s trolling.

  101. 101.

    TheHalfrican

    October 11, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    Best part was the cigarette afterwards.

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    Bill E Pilgrim

    October 11, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    When right-wing trolls are insisting that it was a tie, that’s when you can be sure that Biden trounced him.

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    burnspbesq

    October 11, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    @Yutsano:

    and now I got an attorney trying to snowjob me. This could get fun…

    If I recall, the stock answer in situations like that is “Tell it to Appeals at the CDP hearing.”

  104. 104.

    Anya

    October 11, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    @blingee: think our side’s epic freakout helped cement the narrative.

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    TexasMango

    October 11, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    Also note to liberals and Democrats: GOPers will not contribute to any drop in morale by beating up on Paul Ryan and increase any damage already done.

  106. 106.

    Keith G

    October 11, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    Game theory issues:

    Which strategy will each side decide on for the next round? Even though its a town hall which tends to tamp down stridency, I think tonight may compel Romney to repeat last week. What option will the President work on? How much of his traditional style will he feel the need to revamp?

  107. 107.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 11, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    Reince Preibus zings!

    “I don’t know who his debate partner was,” Priebus said Thursday night, in the CNN spin room. “Maybe it was Ed Schultz from MSNBC, I’m not sure.”

    Now that’s effective! I’d bet more right-wingers than liberals know who Ed Schultz is, much less indies.

  108. 108.

    scav

    October 11, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim: There is the inevitable knighted image, yes.

  109. 109.

    LanceThruster

    October 11, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    @DPS: Does he have any artwork we can gush over?

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    Comrade Luke

    October 11, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    It’s been kinda funny reading everything, without having watched the debate. Dems are super happy, Republicans seems bored and are calling it a draw, and everyone’s upset with the media.

    One of my friends on Facebook posted: And I thought moderators in debates were supposed to be impartial…

    I’m guessing Biden won, and the moderator didn’t take any shit from Ryan. I’m sure the moderator will be the story tomorrow.

  111. 111.

    Baud

    October 11, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    @Anya:

    Agree. I was more disappointed by the Dems than by Obama. I’ve really come to appreciate the BJ regulars here, however.

  112. 112.

    JenJen

    October 11, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    CNN snap poll Ryan 48, Biden 44. CBS snap poll Biden 50, Ryan 31, 19 undecided.

    CBS viewers apparently watched the same debate that I did.

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    ChrisNYC

    October 11, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    Oh Marsha Blackburn with the fear of God in her eyes and just flat rambling. I have never seen her unable to lie and smile with ease. That plus the cooked Mason-Dixon poll out of FL today makes me think there is real fear in the GOP.

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    RinaX

    October 11, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    @Anya:

    Yup. The fact that most of the pundits on “our” side are still complaining about it says all you need to know about why Dems end up losing so much. Apparently some of the msnbc crew are actually on the “Joe was too mean” bandwaggon.

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    Hill Dweller

    October 11, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    The actual debates weren’t all that different(VP debate a bit more entertaining), but the media is working hard for the Romney ticket after this debate.

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    West of the Rockies (formerly Frank W.)

    October 11, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    The Mitt-mentum grinds to a halt!

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    DPS

    October 11, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    @LanceThruster:

    I don’t know that anyone has thought to ask.

    Political Observer, do you have any artwork to share with us?

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    Baud

    October 11, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    @JenJen:

    Did CNN just poll white Southerners again?

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    shortstop

    October 11, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    Well, well, well. I can think of a certain smarmy punk* who’s not going to sleep well tonight.

    *I’m only a few years older than he, but I can’t stop thinking of him this way.

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    trollhattan

    October 11, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    @DPS:
    What are your thoughts on colonoscopies?

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    Triassic Sands

    October 11, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    Full disclosure: I despise Biden. He will always be the Senator from MBNA to me. His claim to having worked tirelessly for the middle class is a GOP level fantasy — no one worked harder for the big banks than Joe did as a senator.

    That said, I thought he did a very good job in this debate — he managed to be assertive without making any absurd statements. I listened to the debate on the radio and anyone who has listened to and then watched the same debate (that order makes a difference — visual impressions are often impossible to shake, once they’re made) knows how different the two experiences are.

    I thought Ryan did a good job — for someone saddled with a campaign and ideology based on lies, wishful thinking, and pure fantasy.

    My guess would be that wingers will think Ryan won and lefties will think Biden came out ahead.

    Factual correction for Joe: no, Joe, you don’t always say exactly what you mean or mean exactly what you say, which has always been your problem in the past (and not tonight). You have routinely said things that leave people shaking their heads. Tonight, I think Joe said what he meant and meant what he said. Well done.

    Will this debate make a difference in the overall race? Doubtful. Ryan did well enough to get by. And it’s hard to imagine Biden succeeding in making up the ground that was lost in the first presidential debate. That was an impossible task for a VP candidate. Obama should thank Joe for doing so well.

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    hilts

    October 11, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    Gloria Borger: would have appreciated less chuckling and eye rolling from Biden

    David Gergen: On substance, debate was a draw. On style, Ryan won because he came across as more presidential

    Katy Kay: Biden’s demeanor was condescending and patronizing

  123. 123.

    Political Observer

    October 11, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    CNN *SNAP* POLL:

    Ryan 48
    Biden 44

    BIDEN LOSES! HE LOSES! BIDEN LOSES THE DEBATE!

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    yopd1

    October 11, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    Some kid is doing a #facepalm because of his/her grandma.

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    cckids

    October 11, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    @hamletta:

    It was good that he wasn’t fighting a gurrrl, so he could let loose. He laughed at that punk like he needed to be laughed at.

    I’m laughing at Ryan as hard as anyone, but think over the debate & imagine Sarah Palin doing even as well as Ryan did tonight? She’d have been curled up in the fetal position, or have stormed out. Christ knows she could have barely participated.

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    rb

    October 11, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    @YellowJournalism: “like Ellis from Die Hard”

    ROFL. Holy shit you just ruined Reince forever for me.

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    Kadzimiel

    October 11, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    I do think that Joe Biden has a promising future career in bukkake, judging by the way he slapped Lil’ Paulie around tonight. Seemed to enjoy it too.

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    smith

    October 11, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    @JenJen:

    CNN wants to be FOX so bad, it’s pathetic. CNN is such an empty shell of an organization. I can’t even call them news anymore.

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    blingee

    October 11, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    @DPS: Bahahahah. Hey, Cole likes his artwork….apparently.

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    pattonbt

    October 11, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    @Political Observer: Oh noes!!!! We is doomed! I iz running away in fear now and will vote for the awesome-sauce that is Romney/Ryan and their UNLIMITED CORPORATE CASH!

    Iz afeard!

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    Sarah, Proud and Tall

    October 11, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    @DPS:

    I enjoy Political Observer’s trolling.

    So do I. I’m going to miss him after 6 November when we never hear from him again.

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    SatanicPanic

    October 11, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    I stand by my earlier statement that debates are dumb, but it was nice to see the creepy Paul Ryan put in his place. Where do they find these people? What a fucking weirdo that guy is. Eeeccch, having watched that one this computer, I feel like my computer is dirty now.

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    Suffern ACE

    October 11, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    @TexasMango: Yep. the candidates debate performance is not a wedge issue on that side.

  134. 134.

    Political Observer

    October 11, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    CNN *SNAP* POLL:

    Ryan 48
    Biden 44

    BIDEN HAS LOST! BIDEN HAS LOST!

    Biden has lost the debate!

  135. 135.

    Hill Dweller

    October 11, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    @Political Observer: You’re trying too hard.

  136. 136.

    JWR

    October 11, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    CBS did a snap poll of “undecided voters” and Biden was up 15 to 20 percentage points in every category, which of course meant that it was a tie. Oy.

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    Can't Be Bothered

    October 11, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    Joe just kicked Ryan’ nutsack through his goddamn teeth. Fuck the pundits. Fuck the whatever. He just got killed. He connected. He articulated. He domninated. He had the motherfucking FACTS. FACTS. Remember that shit? The fucking facts. He did exactly what he had to do. Fire up the fucking base. Fired up. Ready to fucking go. Fuck that Ed Munster looking fuck. Fucking dipshit. Fuck Romney, we’re winning this motherfucker. You CANNOT have our country you dipshitted dimwits. YOU CANNOT HAVE OUR FUCKING COUNTRY. WE AREWINNING THIS MOTHERFUCKER.

  138. 138.

    pattonbt

    October 11, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    @Political Observer: ALL CAPS!! ALL CAPS!! ALL CAPS!!

    IT MUST BE TRUE THEN!!

  139. 139.

    Hill Dweller

    October 11, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    @Political Observer:

    Ryan 48
    Biden 44

    That has to be percentages, because I don’t think CNN has 92 viewers.

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    LanceThruster

    October 11, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    Full disclosure: I despise Biden. He will always be the Senator from MBNA to me. His claim to having worked tirelessly for the middle class is a GOP level fantasy—no one worked harder for the big banks than Joe did as a senator.

    I don’t know enough about the details to hang that around Biden’s neck but it is definitely the first thing I think of when I think of Deleware.

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    mai naem

    October 11, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    @smith: I think Soledad OBrien is auditioning for Morning Ho when Scarbo goes off to run for president next year.

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    geg6

    October 11, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    @Can’t Be Bothered:

    Your comment belies your name. :-)

    And I agree with your sentiment.

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    batgirl

    October 11, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    I think the best response to Ryan’s “I want elected officials not unelected judges to decide abortion” is that I don’t want elected officials OR unelected judges,I want to let WOMEN decide as individuals. They are the ones that can make the best decision for themselves, thank you very much!

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    Elias

    October 11, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    @Cant be bothered

    What exactly was your cue for a shot?

  145. 145.

    LanceThruster

    October 11, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    @Hill Dweller:

    That has to be percentages, because I don’t think CNN has 92 viewers.

    The Blitzer clan must be quite tiny.

  146. 146.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 11, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    @Can’t Be Bothered: Obama was off his game last week, but trying to say that Biden lost this debate…? we’ve seen this movie before, Gergen, Borger and Halperin will be stunned to find over the next few days that voters think Biden won. And as much as I love Al Gore, he was trying to play a part. With Biden, I really think what we see is what he’s got.

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    Culture of Truth

    October 11, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Fucking great. FOX complaining that Biden was rude.

    Can I translate? That mean Biden beat his ass.

  148. 148.

    Birthmarker

    October 11, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    I said this already somewhere tonight, but if tonight only keeps up interest so that many tune into the next two prez debates, Biden did his job. Now it’s on O.

    I was surprised at how many on my FB newsfeed were following along. Repubs pretty ticked, dems pretty happy.

  149. 149.

    PsiFighter37

    October 11, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    @Political Observer: I hope you suffer a coronary.

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    Can't Be Bothered

    October 11, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    @LanceThruster:

    Fuck both of you fucking trolls. Go back to dickdickistan. Seriously. In case I wasn’t clear. FUCK OFF TROLLS. You’re not compromising my high right now.

  151. 151.

    DPS

    October 11, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    @Hill Dweller:

    Ha ha ha.

  152. 152.

    RaflW

    October 11, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    I’m not super into moderator/process issues, but Atrios makes a good point:

    raddack was decent, but questions were almost all coming from center-right DC CW frame. she wasn’t an idiot, but she came from that place

    Others on the Twitbox pointed out both last week and this, how narrow the range of issues has been. Really just Medicare/SS, deficits, taxes, and the middle east + Afghanistan.

    Nothing about education. Energy. Environment. Health care other than bullshit about things Obamacare won’t actually do.

    We’re very narrowly served by Villagers. Their interests are not middle class interests, since Villagers are all climbers/rich.

  153. 153.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 11, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    @batgirl: am I wrong in thinking abortion and the courts are gonna become a bigger and bigger issue? I’ve been waiting for that since 2004.

    Immigration, as others have mentioned, not discussed. Nor the environment, which I guess doesn’t have the traction it should.

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    Mike in NC

    October 11, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    @JenJen: CNN long ago just became FOX News Lite, what with assholes like Wolf Blitzer.

  155. 155.

    LanceThruster

    October 11, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    @pattonbt:

    Yeah…I was thinking maybe our side did pretty good…but then…the caps. It’s hard to deny the caps.

  156. 156.

    pattonbt

    October 11, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    Souns like Biden did pretty good and Ryan did better than expected but not as good as Biden, so Biden on points. A bit surprised to see Ryan not getting the appropriate village tongue bath for just showing up and not tripping all over himself.

    But even with a Biden win, still wont the needle much. VP debates never do. But the Kleiman comment about stopping the bleeding should be about right.

    Guesstimate on my part, things settle back to a narrow Obama lead in the national polls, O still with his solid leads in the key swing states, and the Village creaming over itself over the next five days for the Poltical Rumble In The Jungle of the second debate. Ali – Fraiser will be NOTHING compared to the hype for the next debate by the Village. You can feel the Christmas eve, anticipation, childish giddy-ness in their demeanor.

  157. 157.

    TheMightyTrowel

    October 11, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: My hope is that this stuff – particularly immigration – comes up in the town hall.

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    mai naem

    October 11, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    @Baud: I hardly ever watch CNN but I watched it sometime ago(I think during the healthcare debate) and they had an live audience/focus group and almost all of them were white southerners. CNN is in fvcking Atlanta. Apparently its very difficult to find blacks in Atlanta.

  159. 159.

    mk3872

    October 11, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    Biden did his job. It’s now up to the POTUS to deliver on Tuesday night and move this thing back in our direction.

  160. 160.

    BlueDWarrior

    October 11, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    @pattonbt: This sounds pretty good to me. The Edwards/Cheney debate didn’t move the polls, but it did arrest the Democratic moementum. I expect something similar to filter out here, so I suspect Obama +2 in the Gallup tracking by time next Mon rolls around.

  161. 161.

    Cacti

    October 11, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    For a guy with 14 years in Congress, Ryan sure looked like a naif.

  162. 162.

    MTiffany

    October 11, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    As bad as Paul Ryan is feeling right now, he can at least take comfort knowing that Mark Halperin and Joe Scarborough will always be there to suck his dick. Although “always” is only until November 7th.

  163. 163.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 11, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    @RaflW:

    raddack was decent, but questions were almost all coming from center-right DC CW frame. she wasn’t an idiot, but she came from that place

    When she framed the question as “what’s wrong with raising the eligibility age?”, I about fell off my chair. For the three people on stage? Nothing. Ask a few miners, 60 year old waitresses, elementary school teachers, carpenters…. The frame Atrios speaks of is as much class based as political, which I know is almost redundant, but not quite. It needs to be pointed out, a lot.

  164. 164.

    DPS

    October 11, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    @Sarah, Proud and Tall:

    We’ll just have to make good use of the few days we have left.

  165. 165.

    Culture of Truth

    October 11, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    I loved it when he called Ryan “old”

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    Can't Be Bothered

    October 11, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    @Elias:

    My cue was “oh shit… Biden just fucked up Ryan… oooohhhh shit.” Which means, yes, I’ve been drinking whiskey. Ryan. Just. Got. Fucking. Killed. Don’t believe the CNN poll of Southern Dipshits. He curbstomped that smarmy little fuck. KIIIIIILLLLED.

  167. 167.

    shortstop

    October 11, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    @RaflW: Absolutely true, but the emphasis on foreign policy served Biden well and exposed Ryan’s severe unreadiness for prime time. If the Village is going to be narrow (and it is), I’m glad it was in an area that worked for our guy tonight.

    Those free weights will get a PUNISHIN’ tomorrow morning from a very frustrated Screech.

  168. 168.

    West of the Rockies (formerly Frank W.)

    October 11, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    CNBC SNAP POLL:

    Biden 51
    Ryan 44

    RYAN LOSES! HE LOSES! RYAN LOSES THE DEBATE!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  169. 169.

    Mike in NC

    October 11, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    @Political Observer: Kindly go fuck yourself.

  170. 170.

    MikeBoyScout

    October 11, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    As I am at least as low as 161 on this thread, I understand that most will never read this, but…

    For my comrades (yeah, I said that) on BJ, ESPECIALLY JOHN COLE, it is time to get off of our blogging asses and get out and knock doors, make phone calls and GOTV!

    It was never about the debates and is ALWAYS about our activism.

    Gekko/Galt is the anvil
    We are the HAMMER!

    Get out there on the streets, and hammer it home

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    PsiFighter37

    October 11, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    @MTiffany: I’m sure they can make 3 weeks feel like forever.

    +4

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    Hill Dweller

    October 11, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    @pattonbt: I don’t know if, or how much, it will move the needle, but Joe’s performance is going to pump some much needed energy into our side. There has been way too much pouting in the last seven days.

  173. 173.

    PsiFighter37

    October 11, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    @West of the Rockies (formerly Frank W.): more trolls? Referencing CNBC, home of teabaggers?

    Shut the fuck up.

  174. 174.

    trollhattan

    October 11, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    @Mike in NC:
    I think we can all agree that’s a frequent occurrence. Now I’m taking a Lysol bath, thanks.

  175. 175.

    LanceThruster

    October 11, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    @Can’t Be Bothered:

    Oh swoon! I’ve got troll status! (and CAPS!)

    Listen, CBB. I responded sincerely. If I was going to trash Biden on what I do know, it would be for pandering to the Lobby. But then that covers most of Congress. Romney/Ryan would be asking Bibi where to send our troops and the latest check for Israel.

    As much as I wince over corporate parties of either stripe, I’m of the belief that Romney/Ryan would be a reprise of the Bush admin nightmare, only with more ideological certainty (discarded as the wind blows to appease the puppetmasters)..

    There is a world of difference between the Democrats and the Rethugs despite whatever dissatisfaction I might have with other policy aspects so I’ll be casting my vote without holding my nose, but rather with enthusiasm that dodging a Romney/Ryan bullet is a good thing for the coubntry and the rest of the planet.

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    Liberty60

    October 11, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    @Culture of Truth: When they are whining we are winning

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    Birthmarker

    October 11, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    @Elias:

    @Can’t Be Bothered:

    I lolled…

  178. 178.

    Political Observer

    October 11, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    DRUDEREPORT HEADLINE:

    Smile, smile, smile.

  179. 179.

    Culture of Truth

    October 11, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    Much as Quayle may have deserved it, I thought Bentsen’s slam was a rehearsed cheap shot. This was genius.

    I always thought so too. But agree on Biden genius.

  180. 180.

    Soonergrunt

    October 11, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    Halperin, the same guy who said that John McCain not knowing how many houses he owned was good news for him and that he (McCain) was definitely going to win the country?
    Really?

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    SatanicPanic

    October 11, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    @West of the Rockies (formerly Frank W.): Win!

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    WaterGirl

    October 11, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    @PsiFighter37: I was confused by that comment, too, at first. It looks like a troll comment, but it shows the CNBC poll with Biden winning the debate.

  183. 183.

    Michael

    October 11, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    Chuck Todd actually making sense.

  184. 184.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 11, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    Chuck Todd, from the hack room, calling it for Biden based on spinners’ reactions.

  185. 185.

    MTiffany

    October 11, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    I’m almost tempted to watch Charlie Rose tonight — with any luck Bobo will be damned near a fatal cerebral aneurysm; or if not lethal, at least very, very painful.

    Watching Chuck Todd with Rachel. Poor Chuck, he’s even a douche when dealing with reality.

    And now Tweety. This should be fun.

  186. 186.

    Smiling Mortician

    October 11, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    @PsiFighter37: You might want to look at what West of the Rockies actually posted.

  187. 187.

    Soonergrunt

    October 11, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    @West of the Rockies (formerly Frank W.): Funny thing–CNBC didn’t put a poll in the field as far as I know. They only had a web poll up that the wingers were crowing about.

  188. 188.

    Baud

    October 11, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    The CNBC poll apparently was kept open, so the Dems freeped it.

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    max

    October 11, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    @mai naem: I hardly ever watch CNN but I watched it sometime ago(I think during the healthcare debate) and they had an live audience/focus group and almost all of them were white southerners. CNN is in fvcking Atlanta. Apparently its very difficult to find blacks in Atlanta.

    Yeah, well, back in the day Ted Turner was a liberal, albeit a weird. Now he’s dead and they’re reverting to type. The type is the ‘Southern moderate newspaper’ wherein no awkward facts are reported, everything is tested against what Southern UMC whites thing, and any liberals allowed in are the ones who volunteer to be punching bags. They like that tight, constrained, ‘respectable’ debates where right-wingers can lie and left-wingers get dinged for everything.

    To be fair, the NYT leans in the other direction, but the NYT (and the liberal types) won’t fudge facts the way the Southern papers and TV do. The DC village is very much from the Southern newspaper mold, even if the rest of the metropolitan area is Acelaland.

    When the Villages gets attacked for being too liberal, they mean too liberal for people who believe the Civil War was unfair and slavery was good.

    max
    [‘Bout time people gave up on CNN’s charade.’]

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    trollhattan

    October 11, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    @WaterGirl:
    A parody, and well played. I golf-claped.

  191. 191.

    DPS

    October 11, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    I will second this.

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    pluege

    October 11, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    Biden to ryan:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NAg_Fi_q-8

  193. 193.

    West of the Rockies (formerly Frank W.)

    October 11, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    @PsiFighter37: I was throwing a bit of shit back in the face of Political Observer, knucklehead. Look at his post #123. Then read mine again.

  194. 194.

    West of the Rockies (formerly Frank W.)

    October 11, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    @SatanicPanic: Thank you. I’m here all week….

  195. 195.

    Suffern ACE

    October 11, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    @RaflW: Agreed. Especially since Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security and Taxes are really just all the same deficit question to them. This isn’t “how do you live when you are old” or “what happens if you get sick”.

  196. 196.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 12, 2012 at 12:01 am

    @max:

    Now he’s dead

    Eh? I don’t think so, and he’s publicly lamented the decline of CNN. But other htan that, I like your take.

    I can’t remember the name of the Aspen Institute stalwart who took over around the time of the AOL merger (remember when that was the most geniusest business move ever?), but IIRC he was the guy who turned the ship toward Fox-Lite. But he was three or four head honchos ago, ratings are still plummenting, they’ve tried fired Blitzer, hiring Glen Beck, hiring the future/now Mrs Dan Señor to directly take on Rachel Maddow, and hiring Erin “Those Wall St Fellas Do Their Darndest” Burnett, and they keep flailing. I think Anderson Cooper may be their strongest ratings guy, and he’s Village Lite more than Fox Lite, I think, so they hired Blitzer back. Genius!

  197. 197.

    MTiffany

    October 12, 2012 at 12:01 am

    I do hope Vice President Biden flosses very well tonight — all that P90X nonsense probably left Ryan very stringy.

  198. 198.

    West of the Rockies (formerly Frank W.)

    October 12, 2012 at 12:02 am

    You know, I’ve misread stuff, too. I take back the “knucklehead”. We’re on the same side. Obama/Biden ’12!

  199. 199.

    GregB

    October 12, 2012 at 12:02 am

    The GOP Ministry of Inflammation at Drudge has sent out the bat signal for the post debate marching orders.

    They will plan to turn Joe Biden’s smile into Al Gore’s sigh.

    Now get out there and sell it.

  200. 200.

    Uncle Cosmo

    October 12, 2012 at 12:02 am

    @PsiFighter37: You’re too kind. He sounds like a nerd in dire need of a stroke. A massive disabling stroke that traps what passes for a consciousness inside his own putrescent gray matter. Let him marinate in his own shitheadedness while machines keep his vital functions going for another 10 years or so.

  201. 201.

    Suffern ACE

    October 12, 2012 at 12:02 am

    @MTiffany: Nah. Don’t bother. John Dickerson was on talking about Ryan’s brilliant but poorly executed arguments, then making those arguments more succinctly for ryan and declaring a tie.

  202. 202.

    cthulhu

    October 12, 2012 at 12:03 am

    @max: Ted’s not dead and his recent efforts were detailed in the excellent “Stephen Fry in America.”

  203. 203.

    Paul

    October 12, 2012 at 12:03 am

    @Political Observer:

    You are quoting Mark Halperin? Really? The idiot who called the President of the United States a d***. You might as well quote FoxNews. That would at least be more credible.

  204. 204.

    Hill Dweller

    October 12, 2012 at 12:04 am

    If you’re going after your opponent’s teeth, you’ve already lost.

  205. 205.

    DPS

    October 12, 2012 at 12:06 am

    In addition to voting for regular Joe Biden, I would also be excited to vote for Onion Joe Biden.

  206. 206.

    MTiffany

    October 12, 2012 at 12:10 am

    Ha! Just flipped over to Charlie Rose. The look on Halperin’s face is fucking priceless.

  207. 207.

    GregB

    October 12, 2012 at 12:11 am

    Paul Ryan wants Todd Akin to handle the issues of women’s health care and contraception.

    Please someone get an ad up pronto.

  208. 208.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    October 12, 2012 at 12:11 am

    The thing is, Ryan was supposed to lend policy gravitas to Romney, remember, and in the first time with the lens really focused on him he seemed small and tinny, and had every argument attacked (and demolished, in my opinion and many others) as silly posturing.

    They’re fighting over the scraps of leaving him with any dignity and he didn’t lose and so on, but fewer are going to go around trumpeting him bringing serious policy chops to Romney.

  209. 209.

    Bruce S

    October 12, 2012 at 12:12 am

    What I don’t get is why Old White Men…

    Oh…wait a minute!

  210. 210.

    pattonbt

    October 12, 2012 at 12:13 am

    @Hill Dweller: Agreed with that. And that is important. Hence why I think the previous Romney bump will abate and O will go back to the lead but not as high as previously.

    But its good for our side to feel good.

  211. 211.

    melior

    October 12, 2012 at 12:14 am

    Haven’t seen it mentioned yet, but one of my favorite LOLs of the night was the way Ryan almost choked on his water when Raddatz asked him whether “No Apologies” extended to urinating on dead Taliban and burning korans. Excellent prepared question on her part.

  212. 212.

    celticdragonchick

    October 12, 2012 at 12:14 am

    @Political Observer:

    You need to stop wiping your goo off on your dirty socks and throwing them in the laundry for the maid to find. She doesn’t like it and she is complaining again. I don’t blame her. If you have to gratify yourself after your orgasmic blog posts, please use the bathroom and find some toilet paper. It doesn’t cost much and also doesn’t prompt the help to give notice and find new employment.

    Just a tip, dearie. You can go back to your room now, run along.

  213. 213.

    PurpleGirl

    October 12, 2012 at 12:14 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: The person to ask is a 55+ year old who was laid off and hasn’t been able to find a job in a couple of years. How will they be expected to work to 70 if they don’t have a job now?

  214. 214.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 12, 2012 at 12:15 am

    @GregB:

    Paul Ryan wants Todd Akin to handle the issues of women’s health care and contraception.

    Clicking around a few Villager recaps (Joe Klein, Time kid, Sullivan’s round up, TPM (I consider Josh Marshall Village-leaning)– no mention of abortion. I’m kinda baffled.

  215. 215.

    Joel

    October 12, 2012 at 12:15 am

    Judging from my social media feeds (Facebook, Twitter, etc.) and the blogs, this was a big win for Biden. His mission was to rally the democrats and their leaners into becoming enthusiastic about the election again. And it seems like mission. fucking. accomplished.

  216. 216.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    October 12, 2012 at 12:15 am

    Funny Tweet in the Gaurdian liveblog:

    “Somehow at this debate, Paul Ryan came in third.”

  217. 217.

    Joel

    October 12, 2012 at 12:17 am

    Oh yeah, the Yankees lost, too.

    Good night.

  218. 218.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 12, 2012 at 12:18 am

    @PurpleGirl: and at 55, Romney Ryan want to cut them out of Medicare.

    Tweety and his Vilagers talking about abortion. It may just be this is where teh Village goes to look for drama and gotcha.

  219. 219.

    Warren

    October 12, 2012 at 12:20 am

    Rep. Marsha Blackburn just joined the Jobs Truthers on MSNBC.

  220. 220.

    guachi

    October 12, 2012 at 12:21 am

    Not surprised by the pundit reaction and the close CNN poll. Said in the live blog that I thought Ryan would be declared winner.

    My wife (not at all a Democrat) didn’t like Biden being a meanie. Same tut-tutting we are getting from many pundits who aren’t on MSNBC.

  221. 221.

    freelancer (iPhone)

    October 12, 2012 at 12:22 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Ahem, white males of privilege.

  222. 222.

    YellowJournalism

    October 12, 2012 at 12:23 am

    Dear Republican Talkingheads:

    The reason the moderator pressed Ryan for details more often than she did from Biden is that Ryan refused to give any.

    Sincerely,
    Anyone With a Clue

  223. 223.

    DPS

    October 12, 2012 at 12:23 am

    @Political Observer:

    Sending us to Drudge and Halperin isn’t any kind of way to live. You are a good troll, a proud troll. You shouldn’t have to do this.

  224. 224.

    SatanicPanic

    October 12, 2012 at 12:23 am

    @guachi: Wait, so the pundits are upset about someone being pushy and talking over the other guy. Huh, not what they said last week.

  225. 225.

    freelancer (iPhone)

    October 12, 2012 at 12:23 am

    Why is Michael Steele wearing the 10th Doctor’s clothes?! Halloween isn’t til the 31st.

  226. 226.

    FormerSwingVoter

    October 12, 2012 at 12:23 am

    I absolutely love The Onion’s post-debate wrap-up:

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/eloquent-biden-brings-entire-audience-to-tears-in,29887/?ref=auto

    “We’ve been through some crazy times, me and Barry,” said Biden, taking a quick swig from a flask he pulled from the inside pocket of his leather jacket. “He’s caught me on his roof doing some stuff I probably shouldn’t have been doing. Stuff I’m not proud of, despite how cocky I might act. But you know what? I trust him. And he trusts me. I don’t want to make some big political speech up here, but I will tell you right now that Barry’s the guy to lead us. He’s a good fuckin’ man. What’s more, he’s my dear friend. And I love him.”

  227. 227.

    Unsympathetic

    October 12, 2012 at 12:23 am

    How can teabilly Republicans be quoting a news media poll as proof that Ryan won the debate? I thought their new stance was that polls don’t sample appropriately.

    Or perhaps that’s just slang for “anytime we lose, we invent alternative realities where numbers aren’t real”

  228. 228.

    Joel

    October 12, 2012 at 12:24 am

    @guachi: This goes back to the pollster who said, paraphrasing:

    “When I publish a poll that Republicans don’t like, they want to kill me. When I publish a poll that Democrats don’t like, they want to kill themselves”.

    People’s actions speak louder than words, and so, applying that template, you can say that Republicans didn’t like tonight’s debate… not. one. bit. Us democrats needed that.

  229. 229.

    kathy

    October 12, 2012 at 12:24 am

    @Sarah, Proud and Tall: if wanting to make smart affable babies with him is wrong, i don’t wanna be right. meet me in the champagne room, joe.

  230. 230.

    Comrade Luke

    October 12, 2012 at 12:25 am

    Anyone see how that Steelers game ended? Cole’s gonna be cranky tomorrow.

  231. 231.

    Can't Be Bothered

    October 12, 2012 at 12:26 am

    @guachi:

    Fuck off.

  232. 232.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 12, 2012 at 12:28 am

    @freelancer (iPhone): and why is that professional and partisan Republican paired with a journalist, albeit an opinion journalist? MSNBC has been doing this more and more the last couple weeks.

  233. 233.

    LanceThruster

    October 12, 2012 at 12:29 am

    @Can’t Be Bothered: What crawled up your ass tonight, tad?

  234. 234.

    Spaghetti Lee

    October 12, 2012 at 12:29 am

    @Joel:

    you can say that Republicans didn’t like tonight’s debate… not. one. bit.

    …so they turned the knife on us, smiling all the while!

  235. 235.

    guachi

    October 12, 2012 at 12:31 am

    half as much WTF looks from Biden and no one would be complaining about Biden kicking butt. However… it’s Joe Biden AND he’s the VP (so it’s kind of expected, right?) AND Ryan had nothing so I think the next 4-5 days will actually be a net positive.

    I do think, thought, that taking the House is not happening. It was always a long shot and basically needed October to mimic September.

    Still, stops the bleeding. Fires up Democrats. Gives Obama clues on exactly what to say. Fire. Passion. Maybe more from Obama defending his record so it looks more “presidential”

  236. 236.

    Bobby Thomson

    October 12, 2012 at 12:31 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: What’s not to understand? They’re all dudes. Very comfortable dudes.

  237. 237.

    DPS

    October 12, 2012 at 12:31 am

    @FormerSwingVoter:

    They love Biden so much over there.

  238. 238.

    Palli

    October 12, 2012 at 12:34 am

    @MTiffany: People like Ryan don’t feel badly about doing poorly- they have some kind of magical thinking self-identity that exclaims their superiority. Proclaiming victimhood is part of that, of course.

  239. 239.

    Triassic Sands

    October 12, 2012 at 12:36 am

    @Comrade Jake:

    His use of the word literally was so ridiculous at the convention that I desperately hoped he wouldn’t utter it a single time tonight. Thanks, Joe, you literally did a good job tonight.

  240. 240.

    nellcote

    October 12, 2012 at 12:37 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Chuck Todd, from the hack room,

    Analyzing body language? How about analyzing substance? Fuck Chuck Todd.

  241. 241.

    DPS

    October 12, 2012 at 12:42 am

    @guachi:

    I think the worst outcome for us tonight would have been to leave the impression that Biden didn’t fight, because that was the killer with the first debate. That’s not an issue now. If some people thought he was overaggressive or impatient, that’s OK. Mitt was obviously a dick in his debate, but it was a big plus for him in the end. Now we need Barack to give the impression of being willing to stand up to Romney. That’s all we need. Then it’s over.

  242. 242.

    Fat Mort Jellyroll

    October 12, 2012 at 12:44 am

    Is it just me or can anyone else see Biden actually doing the things The Onion says he does and love him all the more for it?

  243. 243.

    RadioOne

    October 12, 2012 at 12:44 am

    I’ll just say the “oh, now you’re Jack Kennedy” line was great, and leave it to the rest of you to determine the winner of this debate.

  244. 244.

    Chris

    October 12, 2012 at 12:48 am

    @RadioOne:

    Heh. Memo to Republican vice presidential candidates: for the love of Zeus, stop trying to make Jack Kennedy happen. Jack Kennedy is not going to happen. Stick to Reagan. It works for you.

  245. 245.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    October 12, 2012 at 12:48 am

    @DPS: Plus if Biden were nice and polite then it would be all about how he “didn’t seem to want to be there” and all the rest of it, so you really can’t win with places like CNN or whatever. Not as a Democrat anyway.

  246. 246.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    October 12, 2012 at 12:50 am

    @Chris: I can’t even believe that Ryan walked into that one. Biden didn’t even have to spell it out, Lloyd Bentson got to smack down a preening Republican again in absentia, just by the association being raised.

  247. 247.

    pseudonymous in nc

    October 12, 2012 at 12:51 am

    Looks like the DC harlots want to call this a tie (or jump on Biden) to set up a narrative where Obama has to shit on Rmoney himself. Perhaps they’re pissed off that Raddatz — who, as a foreign correspondent, has mostly kept herself away from that circlejerk — did a good job.

  248. 248.

    ranchandsyrup

    October 12, 2012 at 12:52 am

    I said it before and I’ll say it again, the only thing better than Joe Biden is The Onion Joe Biden.

  249. 249.

    Chris

    October 12, 2012 at 12:52 am

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    I wonder if they’re using it as a good luck charm, since Quayle’s ticket did go on to win.

  250. 250.

    Suffern ACE

    October 12, 2012 at 12:52 am

    @Bill E Pilgrim: Nope. The president didn’t smile. Had he smiled when he wasn’t talking, it would have been called an arrogant smirk. Biden smiled, so it was a smirk. Had he not smiled, it would have been throwing the election my hair is on fire.

  251. 251.

    guachi

    October 12, 2012 at 12:56 am

    Ahh… a town hall debate!!! I almost forgot. Obama can hopefully use his megawatt smile that seems so genuine!

    He can talk to voters this time. Not at Romney. Not staring down at a comatose Lehrer. My hopes have been buoyed now.

  252. 252.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    October 12, 2012 at 12:59 am

    @Chris: I think Quayle would have just as soon that they won without him enduring that particular history book-level humiliation, but you may be right. Though I sort of doubt it.

  253. 253.

    waynski

    October 12, 2012 at 1:01 am

    @Culture of Truth: welcome to the NFL Ryan

  254. 254.

    trollhattan

    October 12, 2012 at 1:01 am

    @Warren:
    That’s a turd that won’t respond to any amount of polishing. Yes, please, Republicans, do “investigate” the jobs numbers and make it #93487745 in a series demonstrating you’re insane and don’t live in the real world.

    And oh, more camera time for Jack Welch. That would be great.

  255. 255.

    Suffern ACE

    October 12, 2012 at 1:02 am

    @Bill E Pilgrim: Dan Quayle went ignominiously on to make a huge fortune at one of the largest PE firms in the world. I’m sure he’s crying about what the VP gig bought for him.

  256. 256.

    Evolving Deep Southerner

    October 12, 2012 at 1:02 am

    @PsiFighter37: You might want to try coming here some time when you’re slightly less fucked up. You’ll like it better.

  257. 257.

    WJS

    October 12, 2012 at 1:08 am

    @Bill E Pilgrim: I suspect that Ryan was told, again and again, “don’t mention Kennedy.”

    What’d he do? He brain farted.

    He was weak and pathetic. He was too young and inexperienced to be on the same stage as a guy who has been a Senator since the Nixon Administration.

  258. 258.

    pseudonymous in nc

    October 12, 2012 at 1:08 am

    @FormerSwingVoter:

    I absolutely love The Onion’s post-debate wrap-up:

    I get the feeling that the Onion staffers really love the real Joe Biden because the real Joe Biden loves the Onion Joe Biden — or, at least, enjoys the Onion Joe Biden.

  259. 259.

    DPS

    October 12, 2012 at 1:10 am

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    No, you can’t win there. And NBC was something else tonight, too. The woman with all the teeth said something along the lines of “this was a draw, which means you have to count it as a win for the Republicans,” whatever that means. And David what’s-his-name from MTP said he saw some pro-Biden and some pro-Ryan tweets, which meant it was a draw. Is that how it works now?

    That said, I thought it was clear from the 1st presidential debate that that was just a turd from Barack. Next time, let them fret about whether he was too assertive and passionate in standing up for the American people and what he believes. Mitt Romney of all people does not get to be the embodiment of patriotic conviction.

  260. 260.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 12, 2012 at 1:13 am

    Zounds, Letterman is unloading with a vengeance on Paul Ryan’s wannabro weightlifting pictures

  261. 261.

    Helen

    October 12, 2012 at 1:14 am

    @Chris: Um yeah. When Jack was Pres the top rate was close to 60%. Ryan is going to get KILLED for that tomorrow.

  262. 262.

    DPS

    October 12, 2012 at 1:14 am

    @pseudonymous in nc:

    The Onion Biden is an extended mash note to the real one. It’s not “he’s completely the opposite of this” humor, but “in a slightly different reality, this is how he turns out, and wouldn’t that be awesome” humor.

  263. 263.

    DPS

    October 12, 2012 at 1:16 am

    @Culture of Truth:

    Word.

  264. 264.

    Helen

    October 12, 2012 at 1:16 am

    @DPS: “The woman with all the teeth..”

    BWA HA HA Will you marry me?

  265. 265.

    jwb

    October 12, 2012 at 1:25 am

    @DPS: When a troll’s got nothing, a troll sends us to Halperin and Drudge.

  266. 266.

    jwb

    October 12, 2012 at 1:30 am

    @Palli: Twice tonight, Ryan came close to melting in terms of body language. I can’t tell you when because I was watching with the sound off, but very pronounced. I will give him credit, however, for not collapsing into a puddle of goo. (Low expectations)

  267. 267.

    pseudonymous in nc

    October 12, 2012 at 1:32 am

    @DPS:

    It’s not “he’s completely the opposite of this” humor, but “in a slightly different reality, this is how he turns out, and wouldn’t that be awesome” humor.

    Absolutely. There’s that Car & Driver interview where he jokes about the Onion giving him a Trans Am, and about speeding his brother’s Cadillac CTS-V up and down the driveway at the Naval Observatory as the only driving the Secret Service will allow him.

  268. 268.

    Mnemosyne

    October 12, 2012 at 1:33 am

    @SatanicPanic:

    Wait, so the pundits are upset about someone being pushy and talking over the other guy. Huh, not what they said last week.

    Yeah, it’s so weird that Romney interrupting and talking over the moderator and his opponent was a sign of his Manly Alpha Maleness, but Biden doing the same thing is a sign that he’s just meeeeaaaannnn.

    Though I would like to point out that I called it — Biden brought that alpha-male thing that white male pundits love to the debate, and now they’re all having second thoughts about their week-long Romney flirtation.

  269. 269.

    PeakVT

    October 12, 2012 at 1:34 am

    Debate gifs.

  270. 270.

    Hill Dweller

    October 12, 2012 at 1:37 am

    @DPS: The Village wants a horse race, and they’ll shamelessly shape their coverage to make it happen.

  271. 271.

    suzanne

    October 12, 2012 at 1:38 am

    Once again, Paul Ryan couldn’t find a suit that fits. Dude has 6% body fat. He could TOTES pull off a sexy Italian suit. It might actually make him look good. However, I have to remember that for the GOP, Italian=gay.

  272. 272.

    PeakVT

    October 12, 2012 at 2:00 am

    @suzanne: if by 6% you mean 10%, then, yes, Ryan has 6% body fat. Just like he runs sub-3 hour marathons in over 4 hours.

    (Yes, I know, 10% is still pretty damn good.)

  273. 273.

    Kane

    October 12, 2012 at 2:14 am

    Ryan: “These pretzels are making me thirsty.”

    I have never seen someone drink so much water during a debate.

  274. 274.

    amk

    October 12, 2012 at 2:25 am

    @Political Observer: Know your fucking audience, idjit troll.

  275. 275.

    pepper

    October 12, 2012 at 2:32 am

    i loved the policy debate reference. made me smile and nostalgic for my own debate memories. also loved the debate itself. loved to see team blue take charge.

  276. 276.

    Palli

    October 12, 2012 at 9:51 am

    @suzanne: Yeah, another squirt of a republican , Josh mandel in Ohio, wears shirts at least 3 sizes too big and it just makes him look pre-teen trying on his Dad’s clothes.

  277. 277.

    Palli

    October 12, 2012 at 9:51 am

    @suzanne: Yeah, another squirt of a republican , Josh mandel in Ohio, wears shirts at least 3 sizes too big and it just makes him look pre-teen trying on his Dad’s clothes.

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