Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Accountability, motherfuckers.

A sufficient plurality of insane, greedy people can tank any democratic system ever devised, apparently.

It’s always darkest before the other shoe drops.

… riddled with inexplicable and elementary errors of law and fact

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

The willow is too close to the house.

Insiders who complain to politico: please report to the white house office of shut the fuck up.

Jesus, Mary, & Joseph how is that election even close?

Authoritarian republicans are opposed to freedom for the rest of us.

When someone says they “love freedom”, rest assured they don’t mean yours.

Whoever he was, that guy was nuts.

Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Let there be snark.

That’s my take and I am available for criticism at this time.

I was promised a recession.

Shallow, uninformed, and lacking identity

Tick tock motherfuckers!

A thin legal pretext to veneer over their personal religious and political desires

The republican caucus is already covering themselves with something, and it’s not glory.

People are complicated. Love is not.

Let me eat cake. The rest of you could stand to lose some weight, frankly.

The worst democrat is better than the best republican.

Fuck these fucking interesting times.

Sitting here in limbo waiting for the dice to roll

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Shorter @CNN: Single women don’t vote right because of their monthly bleedings. [updated]

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I don’t even know what to say to this.

I just —

The researchers found that during the fertile time of the month, when levels of the hormone estrogen are high, single women appeared more likely to vote for Obama and committed women appeared more likely to vote for Romney, by a margin of at least 20%, Durante said. This seems to be the driver behind the researchers’ overall observation that single women were inclined toward Obama and committed women leaned toward Romney.

Here’s how Durante explains this: When women are ovulating, they “feel sexier,” and therefore lean more toward liberal attitudes on abortion and marriage equality. Married women have the same hormones firing, but tend to take the opposite viewpoint on these issues, she says.

“I think they’re overcompensating for the increase of the hormones motivating them to have sex with other men,” she said. It’s a way of convincing themselves that they’re not the type to give in to such sexual urges, she said.

Durante’s previous research found that women’s ovulation cycles also influence their shopping habits, buying sexier clothes during their most fertile phase.

So if you see a slut in a short skirt voting for Obama on November 6, ask her if she’s married, offer her a tampon, and then tell her she really meant to vote for Romney but she just doesn’t know it because her hormones are fucking up her mind-head.

As a side note, my favorite bit of this article is this:

Please continue reading with caution. Although the study will be published in the peer-reviewed journal Psychological Science, several political scientists who read the study have expressed skepticism about its conclusions.

YA THINK!?

It couldn’t be that women feel as if they should maintain some control over their own bodies: Who gets to enter them and who gets to come out. It couldn’t be that single women feel more targeted by Republican policies. Nooooo. We lean liberal because of our fucking periods and whether or not we’re married.

UPDATE: CNN took the post down, probably because bitches be hormonal.

[read full post rant at ABLC]

Reader Interactions

147Comments

  1. 1.

    gussie

    It’s impossible to know how seriously to take this blog post, given that there’s no information re. ABL’s menstrual cycle.

  2. 2.

    JGabriel

    Although the study will be published in the peer-reviewed journal Psychological Science, several political scientists who read the study have expressed skepticism about its conclusions…

    … The study’s authors continued, “We don’t care though. Those political scientists who disagree with our findings are clearly just menstruating.”

    .

  3. 3.

    dmsilev

    They found that women at their most fertile times of the month were less likely to be religious if they were single, and more likely to be religious if they were in committed relationships.

    Fertility apparently causes religiosity among married women and atheism among singles?

    Seriously?

    Maybe the researcher should explore the possibility that religious couples are more likely to get married and non-religious folks may not see the point.

  4. 4.

    aimai

    I can’t even. I guess the reason why I’m an Obama supporter is that I’m a committed woman in an atheistical marriage? What the fucking what?

    aimai

  5. 5.

    Enhanced Mooching Techniques

    In the new study’s first experiment, Kristina Durante of the University of Texas, San Antonio and colleagues conducted an internet survey of 275 women who were not taking hormonal contraception and had regular menstrual cycles. About 55% were in committed relationships, including marriage.

    And how many of these women interviewed on the internet were biologically women? yes, she did it in Second Life, so it must be true.

    I can not imagine what kind of shallow, vaporous personality wrote that CNN article.

  6. 6.

    Patricia Kayden

    “So if you see a slut in a short skirt voting for Obama on November 6, ask her if she’s married”

    That will be me, except I’m married but still voting for the President.

    This article is too funny. CNN is really going down, huh?

  7. 7.

    Seanly

    Ummm, err, wow.

    Something tells me there is either a big flaw in their statistics or they’re outright cherry-picking data to show favorable results to their hypothesis of the day.

  8. 8.

    maya

    Obviously, then, when women are undergoing menopause they tend to vote for Ron Paul. It all makes perfect sense to me.

  9. 9.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    Your magical ladyparts can stop rape, predict elections and zomg what wonderful tricks will you next perform with your uterus? Can it be used as a handbag?

  16. 16.

    not motorik

    ABL PARODY ALERT:

    I don’t even know what to say to this. Because I’m not good at writing.

    Bolded something.

    Quote!

    Doucherocket! Ni-CLANG!

    [please make an extra click to read the whole post on my site on this important topic that fundamentally threatens human rights so I can ask you for money]

    Something bolded again.

  19. 19.

    General Stuck

    @Punchy:

    Kotex and Match.com are going to bombarded with wingtard hate mail.

    And why I love your comments, Punchy. They always make me think a little deeper.

  20. 20.

    not motorik

    [I wasn’t hugged enough as a child. It’s very sad. Please hug and pay attention to me. Pretty please?]

  21. 21.

    PeakVT

    In the new study’s first experiment, Kristina Durante of the University of Texas, San Antonio

    That researcher is the slickest troll I’ve seen yet.

  23. 23.

    SRW1

    So the next aspect to figure out is how to synchronize female hormonal cycles relative to the first Tuesday in November, am I right?

    Also, bitches are moody.

  24. 24.

    latts

    Sounds like the solution to sexy liberal irrationality is free hormonal birth control for all women, actually. No sexually-transgressive hormonal surge at the ‘fertile time,’ no love for Democrats, amirite?

    ::headdesk::

  28. 28.

    TaMara (BHF)

    There are not words. Really, there aren’t. It’s as if stupidity were a disease and no one is immune.

    But that could just be my single, committed relationship, mid-cycle hormones talking.

  30. 30.

    LAC

    @not motorik: You know…being petty and jealous because the only blog you could set up would be about the things you picked out of your navel or nose is no way to go through life, son.

    And you know those people who walk around with bumps on their chests and do not pee standing up? They are called girls and someday you will want to be with one without having to blow her up or ask if she charges extra for cuddling. So,if I was you (shudder!) I grow the fuck up, shut up, and try to learn something. Women like a smart guy, not an asshat.

  32. 32.

    jl

    Well, research based on an internet survey! That bodes well.

    Sometimes that is the best one can do for hard to reach populations, but I don’t see why that is the case here. (Edit: though have to do some heavy duty statistical adjustment to account for sketchy sampling and to get reliable results… I’m sure they did that… I will trust they did even though nothing to read…)

    I don’t see the article on the online first section of Psychological Science.

    Durante seems to be a professor of marketing, not psychology.

    And she does not put up any manuscripts on her website, or the university does not allow it.

    No links in CV either. But her CV indicates that she has made quite a career of getting media mentions about the behavior of ‘women in heat’.

    so, yeah, heck peer reviewed, ‘happening’ internet survey methodology, nothing to read…. I believe every word of it!

    One review or Durante on Rate your prof says she’s a great teach, though. Gotta be fair and balanced.

  33. 33.

    arguingwithsignposts

    @LAC:

    And you know those people who walk around with bumps on their chests and do not pee standing up? They are called girls and someday you will want to be with one without having to blow her up or ask if she charges extra for cuddling.

    Not at all to defend the pettiness of NM’s comment, but some people don’t play for that team. Just sayin’.

  34. 34.

    Spatula

    But you know good and well that there may be some scientific basis for the theory that hormonal changes affect how and why women vote one way or the other, just as the same is quite possible, even probable, regarding men.

    Why get all worked up about something that’s quite possibly true?

    I don’t hear anyone saying hormones are the TOTAL and ONLY reason people vote one way or the other, but you’re reacting as if that’s what you heard.

    Oh, wait a minute, that’s how all of your posts are formulated: Faux, over the top outrage in response to a partial truth or statement. Now I remember…

  35. 35.

    Garbo

    Thank god the menz don’t have any crazy-making hormone juices running through their systems making them see star bursts and vote irrationally, oh, wait…

  37. 37.

    quannlace

    No, I’d say, women finally giving in and punching ignorant mother-fuckers in the face is due to their hormones. And thank god for them!

  38. 38.

    not motorik

    [I say things like “FO SHIZZLE” because it’s how I think black people really talk!]

  41. 41.

    arguingwithsignposts

    Of all the front page additions, I have to say ABL has drawn the most consistent trollery. I mean, JC has blingee, and spatula is pretty much an all-around douchebag to all the frontpagers, and zandar has his creepy stalker, but ABL sure draws them in. Kudos, I suppose.

  42. 42.

    Randy P

    “Women are ruled by their hormones” is a running joke in our household, considering just how many men in high positions are led to disastrous decisions by following the little brain and letting the big one atrophy.

  43. 43.

    The Dangerman

    @SRW1:

    …how to synchronize female hormonal cycles relative to the first Tuesday in November…

    You want all women in the USA PMS’ing at once?

  44. 44.

    Greyjoy

    I saw this article earlier and ranted about it on Facebook. But thanks for the Twitter quote, because now I can tell the author directly to go fuck herself.

  45. 45.

    quannlace

    What is all this RW obsession with lady parts and their movements thru the phases of the moon? Remember back in the 70’s/80’s some wizened ‘expert’ saying women should be excluded from high-stress jobs like airline pilots because of their ‘raging hormones.’ Then a few years later, the argument against women in combat was ‘lying around in foxholes, they could get all kinds of infections…’
    So glad the menfolk are fixated on our hygiene.

  46. 46.

    Sm*t Cl*de

    They found that women at their most fertile times of the month were less likely to be religious if they were single, and more likely to be religious if they were in committed relationships.

    So one’s church membership varies on a monthly basis? Shirley not.

  47. 47.

    Roger Moore

    @Garbo:

    Thank god the menz don’t have any crazy-making hormone juices running through their systems making them see star bursts and vote irrationally, oh, wait…

    The key think to understand is that men are full-time hormonally irrational, and women are part-time hormonally irrational, so we have been forced to adapt to deal with people whose hormones are driving them crazy. That means we have the most trouble dealing with people who aren’t being driven crazy by hormones, like women in the rational parts of their hormonal cycle and prepubescent children.

    Hmm, that’s an interesting theory. Too bad it suggests that we should have the easiest time understanding and dealing with pubescent teens. Oh, well, back to the drawing board.

  48. 48.

    the salamander

    This only affects American woman … right ?
    So we’re OK up here in “Canada ?
    Or am I confused … and its a political thing ….

  49. 49.

    Fred

    The description “committed” made me wonder if we’re talking voluntary or involutary committment. I can understand women in mental institutions voting for Romney whereas no woman in her right mind would do so.
    Then it dawned on me the reference is to married women. Marriage is a great institution but who wants to live in an institution? So my first take still holds.

  50. 50.

    PurpleGirl

    About 55% were in committed relationships, including marriage.

    So, not all of the “committed” couples were married? Then how do we know they are really committed?

    And I like the caveat about being “regular”. For many, many years, I wasn’t regular. But for the year and a half I was taking Zoloft (in my 40s) — boy, was I regular.

  51. 51.

    quannlace

    Jesus, if CNN needs to fill up some time, why don’t they just have a cooking segment. Anderson Cooper’s favorite recipes!

  52. 52.

    jl

    Since Psychological Sciences fancies itself as a some kind of fancy pants health sciences research or biological sciences journal, I suppose the article is ’embargoed’ or some such nonsense until midnight tonight or something. In which case a press release, or some blurb based on it, should not be out today, but tomorrow.

    So, probably a little not quite savory academic entrepreneurship going on here.

    Yeah, sure, what the hell? It is Science! Oh the humanity!

  53. 53.

    Steve

    If I wanted to find out whether this study was scientifically reliable, I probably wouldn’t ask a bunch of political scientists for comment.

  56. 56.

    jl

    @PurpleGirl: Pisses me off when you see these blurbs and no damn manuscript or article to read.

    and yeah, ‘peer reviewed’

    You know somebody who peer reviews peer reviewed journal articles? Yeah, that’s right… I do.

    Long time BJ comment readers can draw whatever conclusions they want from that factoid.

  57. 57.

    jl

    @PurpleGirl:

    comment I just made in moderation. Location of possible naughty words indicated by parentheses:

    (I get a tad miffed) when you see these blurbs and no (gosh darn) manuscript or article to read.

    and yeah, ‘peer reviewed’

    You know somebody who peer reviews peer reviewed journal articles? Yeah, that’s right… I do.

    Long time BJ comment readers can draw whatever conclusions they want from that factoid.

  58. 58.

    muddy

    @Just Some Fuckhead: A friend recently told me a funny story about when her son was little, and wanted to know why his sister had different parts than he did. So she says sister has a vagina, but he didn’t talk that well yet and pronounced it “china”.

    One day in the store he was asking for something at the checkout, and she says No, it’s made in China. He was astounded, “You mean you can make things in there?” Of course ‘made in china’ became an on-running gag in their family.

  59. 59.

    Spaghetti Lee

    This is exactly while I’ll abstain from masturbating on election day. Lower sperm counts and next thing you know I’m voting for Mitt Romney. Us men and our biological mysteries, who can fathom?

  61. 61.

    muddy

    @Roger Moore:

    The key think to understand is that men are full-time hormonally irrational

    I have to say that my father was much less shouty and easier to get along with after they removed his prostate and one testicle.

  62. 62.

    bemused

    Oh hell, I’ve worked with more men who seemed to come down with a raging case of irrationality on a periodic basis than women. I almost asked one of these guys having a hissy fit if it was that time of the month, but thought better of it. I do not think he would have been amused although my female co-workers sure would have.

  63. 63.

    Imani Gandy (ABL)

    @not motorik: one would have thought you’d have grown tired after two years of trolling me, but i guess not. as such, i will be replacing your comments that do nothing to add anything to this conversation with comments of my own.

    it’ll be fun. like jazz.

    so either fuck off, or say something interesting.

  65. 65.

    Heliopause

    @Spatula:

    People here are getting crazy about the soundness of the cited research based on a mass media article. The first questions should be (1) is this a reasonably accurate summation of the cited research (in my experience mass media journalists frequently get material like this very wrong), (2) why is this research being conducted in the first place? Quite simply, it doesn’t matter how much influence, if any, hormones have on our electoral choices. Even if the cited research was conducted in an entirely sound manner it doesn’t matter.

    We’re more or less in race-and-IQ or “is homosexuality a choice” territory here. In a decent society you don’t formulate opinions of individuals based solely on “race”, you don’t care why consenting adults do their consenting adult stuff, and it doesn’t matter why women make their electoral choices.

  75. 75.

    max

    @Patricia Kayden: CNN is really going down, huh?

    I am guessing CNN would be all like, ‘EWWWW’, and then complain that nobody understands women.

    max
    [‘Ted Turner is spinning fast enough to drill his way out of the ground.’]

  78. 78.

    The Bearded Blogger

    How come CNN is so bad most of the time and so good (eg. Soledad) some of the time? What gives?

  80. 80.

    Mnemosyne

    @Redshift:

    Studies you will never see getting a headline on CNN: How men’s hormone levels correlate with their voting patterns.

    Yep. And yet the fact that maybe theoretically there could possibly be someone working on a study like that right now means that it’s totally okay and not prejudiced at all to discuss this one because there might be a similar one on men out there. Someday. Maybe.

  84. 84.

    Sm*t Cl*de

    So, probably a little not quite savory academic entrepreneurship going on here.

    You mean that while Psych. Sci. has embargoed the paper, the authors have sent out their own press release, so that the recipient journalists will have neither access to the original paper nor time to research the claims before it’s open slather?

    That would be UNETHICAL.

  85. 85.

    PreservedKillick

    What is all this RW obsession with lady parts and their movements thru the phases of the moon?

    Come on, follow the bouncing ball.

    “Send ’em home early to cook”, “*IF* we want women in the workplace”, restrict their control over their own reproductive rights, the stages of rape, now women vote based on the phases of the moon.

    They are coming after women’s right to vote next. They want to roll us all the way back to before the civil war.

  87. 87.

    Jennifer

    I propose we release a press release on our own study that hasn’t yet been vetted – you know, the one that finds that white men over 40 who drive big trucks (read: small penii) are 3 x more likely to vote for Rmoney than men who are non-white, under 40, or drive Priuses.

  89. 89.

    scav

    @Jennifer: Too close to plausible. Needs to be men with low fertility and prone to premature ejaculation tend towards social conservatism, especially if they are insecure in prediliction for boxers, briefs or frilly speedos.

  90. 90.

    ABL

    @Yutsano: He’s just so boring and I actually wanted to see what people’s thoughts are on this subject, not have this thread devolve into the usual fuckery.

  95. 95.

    Spatula

    @Emma:

    Not only an arse, but a mysogynistic and quite possibly racist arse.

    Please provide evidence of misogyny in my comment where I clearly state that male voting patterns are likely partly affected by THEIR hormonal patterns as well.

    As for the racism charge, well, what ABL thread would be complete without at least several gratuitous and unfounded charges of the RACCCCCCCCCCCCCCISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTT…

  98. 98.

    Heliopause

    @Redshift:

    Actually there was a fairly well publicized study a few years ago saying that men’s testosterone dropped when a favored candidate lost. Not exactly the same thing as we’re discussing here but in the ballpark.

  104. 104.

    Ruckus

    I’d like to apologize to all the women of the world for all the conservative, dumber than a box of burning dog shit, fucks in same. But there isn’t enough time to name all of them in a hundred lifetimes and besides they will still be as dumb as a bag of burning dog shit. Another thing that gets me is how someone this dumb or evil manages to type words. Maybe they are all monkeys and just banged away at the keyboard till this crap came out.

  105. 105.

    muddy

    @Heliopause: I keep seeing ads telling men to ask doctors to check if their testosterone is low. They even give it a snappy name, LowT. Sounds a lot cooler or is it just easier to pronounce?

    Anyway I thought that was one of the better things about men is that their levels go down when they are older and then they start acting right. But no, let’s take pills so 50 year old men can act like asshole teenage boys again. They should call it the the Pubescent Peter Pan Pill. 4P, ask your doctor!

  108. 108.

    Ruckus

    @raven:
    We’d still be surrounded by mammals dumber than a bag of burning dog shit that have no desire not to be. We would have identified one more member of the club though.

  110. 110.

    Geoduck

    @max:

    [‘Ted Turner is spinning fast enough to drill his way out of the ground.’]

    Ted Turner is still alive, if it matters. I gather he’s fairly disgusted with what CNN has become.

    And it was a woman who wrote this piece of bilge. What some people will do for paycheck..

  112. 112.

    TheMightyTrowel

    OT: I just got a paycheck, so I’ll match all donations to the BJ Act Blue for Obama up to $250 from now (11am Aus time) to the end of the work day (so 6 hours from now, my 5pm)

  114. 114.

    Mike Lamb

    @Spatula: But do you think that this article:

    a) presents the possibility of the impact of hormones on voting in a way that’s not insulting?

    and

    b) presents the possibility that males are voting based on hormonal urges?

    I mean seriously–can you really not see how the article, as it summarizes the “study” is condescending to women and complete crap?

  116. 116.

    YoohooCthulhu

    Other hits from the same author, Kristina Durante, Assistant Professor of Marketing:

    http://durante.socialpsychology.org/publications

    “Ovulation, female competition, and product choice: Hormonal influences on consumer behavior. ”

    “Ovulation leads women to perceive sexy cads as good dads.”

    “Changes in women’s choice of dress across the ovulatory cycle: Naturalistic and laboratory task-based evidence.”

    “Sex ratio and women’s career choice: Does a scarcity of men lead women to choose briefcase over baby?”

  118. 118.

    Spatula

    @Mike Lamb:

    I mean seriously—can you really not see how the article, as it summarizes the “study” is condescending to women and complete crap?

    Would you contend that ABL’s post deals with the article in the same way you seem to be doing?

    Hardly.

  119. 119.

    Liberty60

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    Your magical ladyparts can stop rape, predict elections and zomg what wonderful tricks will you next perform with your uterus? Can it be used as a handbag?

    Pfft.
    I can find water in a drought with my magical manhood-dowser.

    Or was it beer? Whatever.

  120. 120.

    Liberty60

    So how close are we to Joe Francis or Tucker Max becoming a Republican Senatorial candidate?

  123. 123.

    RedKitten

    So glad completely and utterly creeped out that the menfolk are fixated on our hygiene.

    Seriously. Are they scared of wimmin-parts or something? What is UP with how obsessed they are about this stuff?

  125. 125.

    danielx

    @Garbo:

    Republican male voters in 2004: I know George Bush is dumber than a barrel of hair, but I’m going to vote for him anyway because he starts wars and has good hair and that makes me feel like I have a bigger dick. Also because America, fuck yeah!

    Testosterone makes men stupid, as in, gee, this must be bad life decision day. I should know.

  126. 126.

    Mike Lamb

    @Spatula: I can see why she (and other women) would be righteously pissed off. It’s degrading–the implication that women aren’t making decisions based on not much more than hormonal impulses? Frankly, it deserves thorough mocking/scorn.

  127. 127.

    danielx

    @RedKitten:

    Seriously. Are they scared of wimmin-parts or something? What is UP with how obsessed they are about this stuff?

    Yes, they are obsessed, and not in a semi-normal teenage boy kind of way. They still haven’t gotten over Eve getting Adam kicked out of paradise, which to fundamentalists bears a strong resemblance to the world of The Handmaid’s Tale.

    In other news, Richard Mourdock’s campaign is going down in flames.

  128. 128.

    HobbesAI

    CNN post has now been removed:

    A post previously published in this space regarding a study about how hormones may influence voting choices has been removed.
    After further review it was determined that some elements of the story did not meet the editorial standards of CNN.

  129. 129.

    gwangung

    @Mike Lamb:

    I can see why she (and other women) would be righteously pissed off. It’s degrading—the implication that women aren’t making decisions based on not much more than hormonal impulses?

    I.e., men are default human beings and hormonal levels to compare to?

  130. 130.

    PreservedKillick

    @HobbesAI:

    it was determined that some elements of the story did not meet the editorial standards of CNN.

    *Snort*. Right.

    I think we all have a pretty clear view of their “editorial standards” right now.

  132. 132.

    Narcissus

    @RedKitten: Yes they are scared of vaginas. And they don’t even know it, because they’re just as scared of introspection and self-knowledge.

    I am not even remotely joking.

  133. 133.

    Narcissus

    @RedKitten: Yes they are scared of vaginas. And they don’t know why because they are equally scared of introspection and self-knowledge.

    I am not even remotely joking.

  134. 134.

    diane gordon

    Taking this theory further, men are more likely to vote for Romney because they have too much testosterone.

  135. 135.

    gbear

    @not motorik:

    [BONERS!]

    I’ll assume that this is ABL’s insert for nm’s most-likely moronic original statement, and I will add that in the late 80’s, I played a show at The Cabooze Bar in Minneapolis with a band called Thurston Howell’s Boner. They had another alter-ego called The Bishops (cigar smoking, Jack Daniel’s swilling, men of the cloth with monstrously tall mitres) that also played that night. It was by far the wildest, most out of control live gig that I’ve ever played and my all time favorite memory as a musician. It was WAY too much fun.

  136. 136.

    dance around in your bones

    That ‘study’ was about the stupidest thing I have ever read.

    Might as well talk about guy’s balls dictating their voting…..ok, maybe their ‘little heads’.

    Just so fucking stupid.

    ETA: I sense a large amount of projection going on there. Please do not project your stupid theories on all us wimmins – we are NOT YOU.

  137. 137.

    Forum Transmitted Disease

    I propose we release a press release on our own study that hasn’t yet been vetted – you know, the one that finds that white men over 40 who drive big trucks (read: small penii) are 3 x more likely to vote for Rmoney than men who are non-white, under 40, or drive Priuses.

    @Jennifer: I would like an explanation of why EVERY FUCKING PRIUS IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY has Romney stickers on it. I’m not kidding and I really just don’t get it.

  140. 140.

    Ruckus

    @HobbesAI:
    editorial standards of CNN.

    Talk about your minimums. Maybe they should have actually read the stupid thing first, then they might be able to say they have standards.

  142. 142.

    Yutsano

    @Opie_jeanne: Defence contractors and retired Navy officers mostly. That and a strong undercurrent of racism from being so close to them durn Messicans.

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