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by John Cole|  October 27, 201210:22 pm| 155 Comments

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Cold, rainy, crappy day here today. Everything is starting to take on the prolonged brown of late fall and winter that makes me break out my light box for four or five months so I don’t hang myself in the basement.

Got the lady friend hopelessly addicted to Boardwalk Empire, and she spent the last 48 hours watching episodes. I made a meatloaf, but the store was basically wiped out and looked like a Soviet era commisary as everyone rushed to stock up for the next week of storms. Instead of pork, veal, and ground beef, I had to use ground lamb and ground beef. Mashed potatoes and peas on the side. It turned out pretty good, and I may start using ground lamb instead of veal in the future.

Think I am going to waste away the night watching some boxing on HBO. BTW, RIP Emanuel Steward.

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  1. 1.

    wonkie

    October 27, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Stay safe through the storm! And please consider giving up veal.

  2. 2.

    redkitten

    October 27, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    Ground lamb is wonderful stuff. Remind me to send you a recipe I have for ground lamb stew with chickpeas. it’s REALLY tasty and you can brown your lamb from frozen, so it’s a great, healthy meal for those “Fuck, I forgot to thaw something out for supper!” nights.

  3. 3.

    redshirt

    October 27, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    First World Problems, as they say.

    And gosh, that’s an extended “visit”. What a cousin!

  4. 4.

    General Stuck

    October 27, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    Man, I hated those kind of damp rainy events of fall and winter back east. Every winter I was an emo and physical wreck, until spring. Very little of that in the high desert, praise Allah.

  5. 5.

    Raven

    October 27, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    How’s your dad?

  6. 6.

    Schlemizel

    October 27, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    Was part of a student summer exchange program about ’68. Spent a week in Moscow & the store they took us to was very nicely stocked. We wanted to sneak a little vodka & ran off from our ‘guides’ the store we chose was really pathetic. It was stunning how bad it was.

    The week we had Ruskies here we took the them to a supermarket & they seemed unimpressed so we took them to a different one later in the day & then just randomly chose a different one off our route another day. My ‘buddy’ pulled me aside & asked how we did that. When I asked him “did what” he said “know we would pick that store so you could have it ready for us!” He didn’t believe it was possible to have stores that well stocked everywhere.

    Hows the old mans thumb?

  7. 7.

    MikeJ

    October 27, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    BTW, RIP Emanuel Steward.

    And no salute to Sylvia Kristel, the actress who brough you Emmanuelle?

  8. 8.

    Raven

    October 27, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    @Schlemizel: Hey, I was on a MacNamara Fellowship that summer. I’ll be dammed.

  9. 9.

    Original Lee

    October 27, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Best meatloaf ever: use equal parts ground lamb, ground turkey, and ground bison, leeks instead of onions, and salsa instead of catsup. Works well with any standard meatloaf recipe, but is especially good with the “Not Your Mother’s Slow Cooker” spicy meatloaf recipe.

  10. 10.

    Kristine

    October 27, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    @redkitten: Please post that recipe here, or link to it. Love ground lamb. Love chickpeas.

  11. 11.

    vheidi

    October 27, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    great minds think alike, made the cooks illustrated meatloaf this afternoon. man was it a nuisance but well worth the effort.

  12. 12.

    redkitten

    October 27, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    Will do! I’m just heading to bed now, but will post the link in this thread tomorrow.

  13. 13.

    amk

    October 27, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    looked like a Soviet era commisary

    kenyan muslin usurper’s doing.

  14. 14.

    MaryRC

    October 27, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    You have a lightbox too? I was skeptical about mine at first (it was a gift) but it really seems to help.

  15. 15.

    Punchy

    October 27, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Good thing for you that they’ve not yet run out of jimmy hats, eh?

  16. 16.

    TheMightyTrowel

    October 27, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    @redkitten: Umm I can haz recipe too?

    Also: ground lamb is amazing. I’m a big fan of lamb and feta burgers – especially with minced red onions mixed in. Works for meat loaf too, but i tend to throw in heaps of fresh lemon thyme to cut the lamb fat a bit.

    re lightboxes: have you guys heard of full spectrum lightbulbs? really affordable and work like a charm. They’re the only thing that got me through 7 winters in England (five of them as a student and thus poor).

  17. 17.

    J. Michael Neal

    October 27, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    @Schlemizel: Okay, I got the score wrong. Or on the wrong day. The Gophs started out playing their first bad period of the year and were fortunate to escape with a scoreless tie. Then they gave up a goal 18 seconds into the second. After that they took over, though.

    One thing about being autistic is that it’s impossible to hide when I’m feeling stressed out. I enjoyed the game today, but I spent the last two periods and then a couple of hours afterwards hugging myself and doing that rocking thing I’m sure you’ve all seen autistic people doing. The problem wasn’t that the game was tense, though it was. It was that I was sitting with a bunch of Gopher fans that I don’t really know. It was worse that most of them were parents of players. My deeply irrational fear is that I’m imposing on people, so those situations where I’m *probably* fine where I am and talking to people but I’m not completely sure are stressful at a level that’s hard to convey.

    One thing people should realize: when you see someone with autism behaving in a strange way, keep in mind that we find the rest of you every bit as strange and we think that all the time. Our life is spent surrounded by human beings we don’t understand. So that makes us even.

  18. 18.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 27, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    @Punchy: I buy them in bulk, just in case. The downside of this, of course, is tossing so many in the trash after they hit their expiration date.

  19. 19.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 27, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    @J. Michael Neal:

    Our life is spent surrounded by human beings we don’t understand.

    I’ve lived among Republicans. That has to count.

  20. 20.

    piratedan

    October 27, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    just cause…. feelin’ kinda 70’s tonight

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q&feature=related

  21. 21.

    lamh35

    October 27, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    So DMR endorsed Romney which prompted Howard Fineman to tweet the following:

    @howardfineman
    Obama admitted in DM register off the record interview that he hadn’t talked to the edit board in 4 years!! Political malpractice.
    So DMR endorsed Romney. Obama deserves what he gets in Iowa for this case of Political sloth
    It’s not scientific or quantifiable by Nate Silver but Des Moines Register endorsement of Mitt first time it’s’ clear O may lose the race.

    Needless to say Fineman is getting the what to by the twitter brigade.

  22. 22.

    J. Michael Neal

    October 27, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Republicans might as well be space aliens as far as my ability to figure them out.

  23. 23.

    Schlemizel

    October 27, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    @TheMightyTrowel:

    I love making kibbeh with ground lamb.

  24. 24.

    TheMightyTrowel

    October 27, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    @Schlemizel: mmmm kibbeh! I’m slightly hampered in my lamb-gasms by the fact that my partner is not a lover of lamb – particularly of the ground variety, he thinks it’s too greasy. When I’m alone I can’t eat enough food to justify cooking with ground meat – the leftovers get scary fast – so these days i mostly get to lamb out when i’m in restaurants or cooking for friends.

  25. 25.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 27, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    @J. Michael Neal: See, we all have that in common.

  26. 26.

    Schlemizel

    October 27, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    @J. Michael Neal:

    We sit very near a lot of parents at Ridder. There have been some occasions I have to keep that in mind. But with the exception of that one that left this year the parents are all pretty decent people.

    I would never have guessed you didn’t fit right in with the rest of us. You handle it very well. I used to be painfully shy (I get by though over compensation!) I understand that new people can be unnerving.

  27. 27.

    PurpleGirl

    October 27, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    At the The New York State Sheep and Wool Festival held every October for 3 days, the festival has a number of vendors with lamb products. The prepared lamb patties are usually very good. (The main thing at the festival is yarn, hundreds of vendors of yarn, needle arts implements and tools, (did I mention hundreds of yarn vendors…). They also have sales of sheep and other animals who are bred for yarn (llamas and goats, etc.)

  28. 28.

    Schlemizel

    October 27, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    @TheMightyTrowel:

    Greasy? I guess thats an issue I never had. We grind our own so the amount of fat that goes into it is controllable.

    I am not a fan of mutton but thats a different story – it smells bad when cooking & tastes awful.

  29. 29.

    Hill Dweller

    October 27, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    @lamh35: So DMR’s endorsement, which Fineman implies is the result of pettiness, will somehow lead to Obama losing the Presidency?

  30. 30.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 27, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    @TheMightyTrowel:
    @Schlemizel: Some people have real issues with lamb becuse of the smell while it is cooking. Me, I’ll eat their share.

  31. 31.

    MaryJane

    October 27, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    @lamh35: Awww, he got busy presidentin’ and hurt DMR’s fee fees so they’ve dumped him for the known bullshitter. What are they, 15 year old girls?

  32. 32.

    Sparrowgal

    October 27, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    @PurpleGirl: Was at this festival last weekend, and I savored all of the wonderful smells as I passed by the stalls…my fave used to be the lamb ravioli in herbed sauce. Gluten issues have killed that one for me, but it still smelled awesome.

    The only other issue I’ve had up there is the cognitive dissonance of loving the meat products, and then visiting the lovely-faced lambs an hour later. Difficult.

    ETA…yes, you DID mention the yarn!!

  33. 33.

    Roger Moore

    October 27, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    @J. Michael Neal:
    Talking to random people cheering for the same team is an accepted part of being a sports fan. A lot of people enjoy sports in part because sharing a cheering interest is a great ice breaker. Wearing team colors is like having a big sign saying “talk to me about my favorite team”. But I guess you probably know that intellectually, and it’s just hard to get over the feeling that you’re doing something wrong even if your intellect tells you it’s OK.

    I made chili con carne today, or maybe it’s more like chile colorado. It’s a very basic recipe with just cubed chuck, dried chilies, onions, garlic, and spices. Very good, especially because I used about 30% chipotles instead of just dried New Mexico chilies.

  34. 34.

    Schlemizel

    October 27, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I’ve never had a problem with lamb, I like the smell and the flavor but old sheep is nasty.

  35. 35.

    cbear

    October 27, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    RIP Emanuel Steward.

    Aw man, that just sucks. Emanuel Steward was an incredibly knowledgeable and classy man, and from everything I have ever seen or read a thoroughly decent human being.
    Crap.

  36. 36.

    Brian

    October 27, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    This is really worrying for any Democrat in close election: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10/27/gop-rigging-elections-for-romney/

    Short version: Analysis of vote trends in the Repbulican primaries shows a consistent redistribution of votes to Romney and away from his challengers…but ONLY in the states with Republican government.

    I really wish someone like Nate Silver would take a look. I think this story is failing to gain traction because the possibility that the votes really are rigged is too awful to contemplate.

  37. 37.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 27, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    @Schlemizel: I would guess the meat is tough and ropy too.

  38. 38.

    Schlemizel

    October 27, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    @MaryJane: Why insult 15 year old girls?

  39. 39.

    Yutsano

    October 27, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Never had mutton (that I know of) but I do greatly enjoy baby sheep.

  40. 40.

    Roger Moore

    October 27, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    @Schlemizel:
    I think the traditional solution to the strong taste of mature sheep is to spice the meat heavily, e.g. use it in a curry. The modern solution seems to be to use it in “lamb” pet food.

  41. 41.

    Smiling Mortician

    October 27, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    Attention ground lamb fans: I make an absolutely kick-ass moussaka. My mouth waters just thinking of it. Think I’ll make some tomorrow.

  42. 42.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 27, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    @Yutsano: Standard mutton, to me, is like stronger flavored lamb. It isn’t bad. Schlemizel mentioned old sheep so I extrapolated.

  43. 43.

    J. Michael Neal

    October 27, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    @Schlemizel:

    But with the exception of that one that left this year . . .

    You must sit very close to a couple of friends of mine, because they said the same thing about that particular set of parents. The funny thing is that I agree with their basic complaint that Frost didn’t play their daughter enough, but that doesn’t make it any less obnoxious or inappropriate for them to complain like they apparently did. FWIW, unlike some of the parents (the Kortums and the Bozeks come to mind) they never came across as at all friendly, either.

    I sit on the other side of the ice. I’m the one who wears the Mira Jalosuo Team Finland jersey half the time.

  44. 44.

    Schlemizel

    October 27, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: YUP!
    Goat is very much like lamb btw

    I used to love cabra asada.

  45. 45.

    TheMightyTrowel

    October 27, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Mutton is lovely when you cook it slow and with lots of other rich flavours – it can really dominate mild flavoured ingredients but pair it with lots of strong flavours and cook low and slow and it’s just mmmmmmmmmm

  46. 46.

    muddy

    October 27, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    @MikeJ: I came across a movie recently called Emmanuelle Through Time. It was on a normal movie channel. I took it to be some sci-fi, but it was mostly boobs and women making out. I think the sexual energy produced was what let them move through time or something. I didn’t watch that much because I’m not that into boobs. I innocently thought things of that nature were on special channels.

  47. 47.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 27, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    @J. Michael Neal:

    I’m the one who wears the Mira Jalosuo Team Finland jersey half the time.

    Please tell me you aren’t naked the other half of the time.

  48. 48.

    Bostondreams

    October 27, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    Anybody see Mockingbird Lane, the remake of the Munsters, with Eddie Izzard as Grandpa. Actually enjoyed it. Too bad NBC is apparently doing so good that they don’t need it on the schedule.

  49. 49.

    Alison

    October 27, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    GIANTS!!

    That is all :)

  50. 50.

    RK

    October 27, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    Great segment of Up with Chris Hayes

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/49263362#49578533

    The whole discussion about independent voters is worth watching.

  51. 51.

    MaryJane

    October 27, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    @Schlemizel: Wasn’t meant as an insult, I was one myself. Many just aren’t emotionally mature enough to not take it personally.

  52. 52.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 27, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    @Bostondreams: No, but “Diabolique” was on TCM earlier and it made me happy.

  53. 53.

    Roger Moore

    October 27, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    And the Jints take Game 3 from the Tigers, another 2-0 shutout. Damn, the Giants starting pitching has been lights out so far this Series.

  54. 54.

    J. Michael Neal

    October 27, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Well, that would be a way to make sure people are talking about me.

  55. 55.

    Roger Moore

    October 27, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    @Schlemizel:

    I used to love cabra asada.

    I’m more of a birria person myself. A birria burrito is a fine, fine food.

  56. 56.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 27, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    @J. Michael Neal: And it would make their reactions easy to read, amirite?

  57. 57.

    Hill Dweller

    October 27, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I’ve seen it a few times, but still watched part of it again.

    As an aside, why is Drew Barrymore doing “The Essentials”? She is just awful.

  58. 58.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 27, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    @Hill Dweller: Her ancestors show up in many of them?

  59. 59.

    Spatula

    October 27, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    How much weight has your poor lady friend gained since being subjected to your incredible cooking and hospitality? :D

  60. 60.

    J. Michael Neal

    October 27, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I suspect that it would. I’d try it, but Sam Downey would be disappointed if I didn’t wear my other jersey once a weekend.

  61. 61.

    catclub

    October 27, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    @Alison: Yes!

    I think Buster Posey is hiding an injury. Does not look anything like someone who won the batting champ this year.

  62. 62.

    Roger Moore

    October 27, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Logically, what’s the difference between lamb and veal?

    Veal crates.

  63. 63.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 27, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    @efgoldman: You, my mom, and my ex-wife. Yeah, I’ve had lamb whenever I’ve had a chance since the divorce, why do you ask?

  64. 64.

    catclub

    October 27, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    @Roger Moore: Pitching AND defense.

  65. 65.

    Yutsano

    October 27, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    @TheMightyTrowel:

    Mutton is lovely when you cook it slow and with lots of other rich flavours

    AJO!! Mucho ajo. Also rosemary and mint. My guess is mutton stews up nicely.

    I’ll have to check if a butcher around here carries mutton. I can get lamb quite easily.

  66. 66.

    catclub

    October 27, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    @Hill Dweller: Drew Barrymore is a much better argument for nepotism than Luke Russert.

    But that is a very low bar to cover.

  67. 67.

    Alison

    October 27, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    @catclub: Been wondering about that too. He seemed to go into some kind of sudden slump…hope it’s nothing too bad, and really hope he doesn’t make anything worse by continuing to play. :/

  68. 68.

    catclub

    October 27, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    @Yutsano: Or as the Trolls in the Hobbit put it. “Mutton yesterday, mutton today, mutton Tomorrow!”

  69. 69.

    TheMightyTrowel

    October 27, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    @efgoldman: The difference is how they’re raised. Most veal you can get these days is ‘white veal’ – only milk fed, often raised in crates or small sheds with no day light or access to the outside. Like barn pigs and hens, this is not a great way to live a short life. Lambs are born outside and spend most of their lives (short though they may be) bouncing around in various grassy pastures.

    I actually advocate eating veal – veal calves, traditionally, are the male calves in dairy herds. They aren’t needed to sustain the herd and dairy cows aren’t the sorts to rear to adulthood for steaks. Since we still have dairy herds, it makes sense we’d still have veal calves. Personally, I point you towards ‘rose veal’ – that’s young calves which have a part milk, part grass/hay diet – these are generally allowed to be outdoor reared and stick with their herd until it’s time to cull. It’s a slightly stronger tasting meat but it’s just as tender.

  70. 70.

    Hill Dweller

    October 27, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: That has to be it, because it certainly couldn’t have been based on competence and/or movie knowledge. It seems like every week Barrymore is thanking Osborne for turning her on to the movie they’re about to air.

  71. 71.

    catclub

    October 27, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    @Alison: The only evidence I have is batting. (and knowing that players hide injuries even from their own manager.)

  72. 72.

    TheMightyTrowel

    October 27, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    @Yutsano: Stews are good, but i’m a new englander reared on pot roast and I always advocate for braising.

  73. 73.

    Schlemizel

    October 27, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    damn comments have gone all to hell – keep trying to post & comments keep getting eaten!

  74. 74.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 27, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    @Yutsano: Like a cheap, tough cut of beef, I think it benefits from long slow cooking, so stewing is perfect.

  75. 75.

    jurassicpork

    October 27, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    ICYMI, here’s The News at a Furtive Glance: No Heart, All Chattle Edition.

  76. 76.

    Rosie Outlook

    October 27, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    @TheMightyTrowel: What are some brand names for full spectrum bulbs? Do they need a special fixture or can they go in any old lamp?

  77. 77.

    Kane

    October 27, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    @Yutsano: Thanks for mutton.

  78. 78.

    TheMightyTrowel

    October 27, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    @Rosie Outlook: I got mine off amazon. They fit just fine in normal light fixtures.

  79. 79.

    Anne Laurie

    October 27, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    @Schlemizel:

    I am not a fan of mutton but thats a different story – it smells bad when cooking & tastes awful.

    Even baby sheep tends to smell ‘off’ when it’s cooking, for some reason. And mutton (like goat) needs assertive preparation — since I’m not a cook, I get to indulge my ovine cravings at Mediterranean (Lebanese/Greek) or Indian restaurants. Though I have warm memories of my Irish granny’s mutton stew, which was basically one-third meat chunks, two-thirds potatoes, a handful of green peas for color & a lot of black pepper. IIRC she pre-cooked the lamb before stewing it with the veggies, so it was really fork-tender four or six hours later…

  80. 80.

    Schlemizel

    October 27, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    @J. Michael Neal:

    I noticed that Beckys dad only talks to a couple of club members but I just figure he doesn’t owe us anything so I’m happy to ignore him. I know what its like to be a players parent & I am happy to leave them alone.

    There was a defenseman (she has been gone a few years now) that was making stupid mistakes as a senior and I really had to bite my tongue because I didn’t want to get popped by a mad dad. One of the frosh D has some bad habits this year but I won’t say anything as she is a freshman. If she is still doing stupid things as a senior I may have to move & sit by Dave & the band!

  81. 81.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 27, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    @Rosie Outlook:
    @TheMightyTrowel: Do a lot of people really have mood problems do to light in the winter? I really look forward to fall and winter. Maybe I am just weird – it wouldn’t be the only way in which I am.

  82. 82.

    Schlemizel

    October 28, 2012 at 12:00 am

    @Schlemizel:

    So its the second half of this post that causes the thing to throw up. I’m going to break it into pieces to see if I can determine exactly what is causing the problem – please bear with me

  83. 83.

    Schlemizel

    October 28, 2012 at 12:01 am

    @J. Michael Neal:

    We fell in love with Terry’s folks in Duluth this spring. We ran into them at breakfast & I told them to say thanks for us when they talked to her.

  84. 84.

    Schlemizel

    October 28, 2012 at 12:02 am

    @J. Michael Neal:
    Those kids put in a lot of very hard work in addition to studies (hey! its only girls sports so they are actually expected to graduate).

  85. 85.

    Kane

    October 28, 2012 at 12:03 am

    Howard Fineman
    @howardfineman
    It’s not scientific or quantifiable by Nate Silver but Des Moines Register endorsement of Mitt first time it’s’ clear O may lose the race.

    Speechless.

  86. 86.

    Schlemizel

    October 28, 2012 at 12:04 am

    So its the third part that is failing!

    To paraphrase:

    It says Kelly’s dad grabbed me by the jersey at the celebration and dragged me across the room telling Kelly she HAD to hear what I told him.

    He was genuinely proud of here & wanted her to know that other people were too

  87. 87.

    J. Michael Neal

    October 28, 2012 at 12:05 am

    @Schlemizel: I talked briefly with Terry’s mother last year. I really wanted to ask her if Kelly ever stops moving.

  88. 88.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2012 at 12:05 am

    @Schlemizel: Ooooh, a chance of me D-III plug. Sports at the university level that are as close to “mens sana in corpore sano” as you are going to get in an environment with competition.

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    PeterJ

    October 28, 2012 at 12:05 am

    One more win and the Giants have won their 7th World Series, the Dodgers have won 6. :D

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    J. Michael Neal

    October 28, 2012 at 12:07 am

    @Schlemizel: I am still really pissed that I couldn’t go to the celebration after the final. My father had a 7:30 flight out of MSP the next morning, so we had to bail pretty quickly after the game.

    If they win it this year, he can leave whenever he wants, but I’m sticking around.

  91. 91.

    Anne Laurie

    October 28, 2012 at 12:07 am

    @Sparrowgal:

    The only other issue I’ve had up there is the cognitive dissonance of loving the meat products, and then visiting the lovely-faced lambs an hour later. Difficult.

    Yeah, but the thing is: those lambs literally would not exist if their ancestors hadn’t made a bargain with ours. “You’ll protect & feed us long enough for us to breed, and then you’ll eat us.” IIRC, wild sheep bear as much relationship to our modern commensals as those tiny sweetish Andean berries bear to modern tomatoes… our separate species have evolved together. Possibly since even before those beta wolves started hanging around human clans to scavenge our garbage, if the latest archeolgoical research hold sup.

  92. 92.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2012 at 12:08 am

    @efgoldman: My dad once described Norwegian cooking as boil it until turns gray. If it doesn’t turn gray, pour a white sauce over it.

  93. 93.

    TheMightyTrowel

    October 28, 2012 at 12:08 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I LOVE winter, it’s my favourite season, but moving to England (even from Boston) was just too far north. From Dec – Feb it feels like the sun never comes out. ON days it’s not cloudy, the second the sun comes up it’s going down again. I started having sleep problems, picked fights with friends, caused the relationship i was in at the time to implode, etc etc. The following year, my new boyfriend (now my partner of nearly 7 years which is insane) sat me down in front of his sad lamp a few times and the difference – in my sleeping, in my personality, etc. – was remarkable. Here in Oz, further away from the pole, I didn’t have that winter-effect, but some people are more sensitive than I am.

  94. 94.

    Hill Dweller

    October 28, 2012 at 12:10 am

    @Kane: They are desperate to keep the horse race going. Silver undermines that effort.

    I’d be surprised if the DMR endorsement has any effect on the Iowa outcome, never mind the entire Presidential election.

  95. 95.

    TheMightyTrowel

    October 28, 2012 at 12:13 am

    @Anne Laurie: All domestic animals are the products of guided evolution – the scavenging wolves theory is still questionable, right now the science says that the only animal that domesticated itself (more or less) was our dear friend the cat. However, cows, sheep, pigs, horses all of them are unrecognisable in behaviour and survival strategies (not to mention proportion, meat quality, milk quantity) from their wild ancestors. If we became totally vego and freed the animals they’d die in huge numbers and horribly.

  96. 96.

    Rekster

    October 28, 2012 at 12:13 am

    @cbear: I are sad about the loss of such a titan of boxing. Great trainer and a great analyst on HBO. a thousand Roy Jones Juniors can’t get close to Mr. Steward.

  97. 97.

    Roger Moore

    October 28, 2012 at 12:14 am

    @TheMightyTrowel:

    Lambs are born outside and spend most of their lives (short though they may be) bouncing around in various grassy pastures.

    And like the veal calves, most of the lambs people eat are surplus males. OTOH, people are apparently working on ways of separating X containing from Y containing sperm so they don’t get the surplus males to begin with. They’ve been trying their best not to talk about it too much outside of a farming context because of the obvious applications to human IVF.

  98. 98.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 28, 2012 at 12:14 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: @TheMightyTrowel: I have reverse-SAD. I hate summer, love winter. I think I’ve seen that stat (on the ‘tubes, so FWIW) that we’re about ten percent of the population. That’s one reason it’s to hard to address climate change. 80 degrees in November? “If this is global warming, I’m all for it!” In my experience, a whole lot of people who talk like that actually spend very little time out of doors.

  99. 99.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2012 at 12:17 am

    @TheMightyTrowel: I am in WI and have lived in Britain and Germany. It did not affect me. I am a pale person. Once when walking out of my law school building, a person driving by saw me and rolled down his window and yelled “Vampire!” I was wearing a long dark coat and Slash-style round dark sunglasses (it was the early 90s) with longish, floppy dark hair and the aforementioned pale skin.

  100. 100.

    suzanne

    October 28, 2012 at 12:17 am

    I have to live vicariously through you all. The weather here is 85 degrees and still glaringly bright. I know that everyone housebound from the storm and sitting under full-spectrum lamps wants to punch me in the face right now, but I hate the sun. I miss the seasons.

    However, it does make for great canvassing! I’ll be out tomorrow afternoon. Today, the Elder Spawn had a piano recital. She kicked ass. She’s being bullied at school, so this was a confidence boost.

  101. 101.

    ranchandsyrup

    October 28, 2012 at 12:17 am

    Back from Halloween party. SiubhanDuinne made a pic request on earlier thread. pics

  102. 102.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2012 at 12:19 am

    @efgoldman: My southernmost ancestors are from northern France, so you may have a point.

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    Yutsano

    October 28, 2012 at 12:20 am

    @Anne Laurie: It’s not as hard as most people think. Most farm kids go through life realizing an animal will be cared for in the eventuality that the animal will care for them later. It is a grand bargain. Not to mention most farm animals breed rather prolifically: while most have secondary uses besides food (plowing, fertilizer, pest control etc) there are really only so many animals you can care for at one time. Slaughtering while still healthy is better than an overpopulated undernourished herd that can’t do much of anything. I hate to say it, but cows are dumb. They cannot survive without humans. Same with sheep.

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    TheMightyTrowel

    October 28, 2012 at 12:21 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: VIKING!

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    Sparrowgal

    October 28, 2012 at 12:21 am

    @Anne Laurie: While I understand your point, it’s a reaction I continue to have year after year…one which I don’t typically have when I encounter cows or pigs, each of which has likable qualities, and with whom we struck similar bargains eons ago. I do love the meat, though…just have to compartmentalize!

  106. 106.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2012 at 12:21 am

    @suzanne: I would truly hate living there. But for my birthday and presents, I could do without summer.

  107. 107.

    ranchandsyrup

    October 28, 2012 at 12:24 am

    @efgoldman: thanks for the heads up. Consarnit.

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    J. Michael Neal

    October 28, 2012 at 12:24 am

    @TheMightyTrowel: Oooh, that’s a fighting word where Omnes is from.

  109. 109.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2012 at 12:24 am

    @TheMightyTrowel: Eh, some… I have the first four major Wisconsin immigrant groups. Early French, New England Puritans, post-1848 Germans, and Scandinavians.

  110. 110.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2012 at 12:26 am

    @J. Michael Neal: I went to Lawrence University. I am a Viking – just not the purple kind.

  111. 111.

    J. Michael Neal

    October 28, 2012 at 12:27 am

    Meh. It’s bedtime.

  112. 112.

    gex

    October 28, 2012 at 12:28 am

    @efgoldman: I think you nailed it. The girlfriend is of Scottish ancestry. She suffers from SAD so much less than I up here in MN.

  113. 113.

    Mnemosyne

    October 28, 2012 at 12:29 am

    @Sparrowgal:

    Maybe you’re thinking of all the lost fleeces that lamb could have produced.

    Or it’s just because lambs really are freakin’ adorable even when you stack them up against other baby animals.

  114. 114.

    Yutsano

    October 28, 2012 at 12:29 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I could do without summer. I used to live in the desert in Washington (yes that exists!) and I hated it. I much prefer the cold rainy weather we’re having right about now. A colder front bringing white stuff would be nice too…

  115. 115.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2012 at 12:30 am

    @Mnemosyne: I will see your lambs and raise you baby seals.

    ETA: I said raise, not braise.

    @Yutsano: Just east of the Cascades?

  116. 116.

    ranchandsyrup

    October 28, 2012 at 12:31 am

    third time’s the charm for pics?

    also, too, I may be + quite a few seasonal beers so sorry for the linkyfail.

  117. 117.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2012 at 12:34 am

    @ranchandsyrup: Cute kid.

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    NotMax

    October 28, 2012 at 12:38 am

    Once again passing along a helpful hint to those of you who have washing machines (clothes washer, not dishwashers).

    Let the washer fill with cold water, then shut it off.

    Should power or water go out, you have many gallons now stored there suitable for cooking, filling the toilet tank, etc., etc.

    Should you not need to use that stored water, throw in suitable laundry and do a cold water wash after the storm.

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    TheMightyTrowel

    October 28, 2012 at 12:39 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: NOrthern French were vikings too – Norman = Norse-men

  120. 120.

    NotMax

    October 28, 2012 at 12:39 am

    Heh. Should read:

    Once again passing along a helpful storm preparation hint to those of you who have washing machines (clothes washer, not dishwashers).

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    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2012 at 12:40 am

    @TheMightyTrowel: I have Breton ancestry as well. My only Celts.

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    Jewish Steel

    October 28, 2012 at 12:41 am

    @ranchandsyrup: D’aw! Supercute, uh, bumblebee?

  123. 123.

    double nickel

    October 28, 2012 at 12:42 am

    Tsunami warning off the north coast of BC and southern Alaska: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/tsunami-warning-issued-after-earthquake-strikes-off-haida-gwaii/article4710930/

  124. 124.

    joel hanes

    October 28, 2012 at 12:43 am

    @Brian:

    I’m with you.

    I think it’s the best, but not the only, numerical evidence for systematic national-election fraud using electronic voting machines by Republicans.

    I’d be fascinated to see that same analysis of the reporting precinct totals in Ken Blackwell’s Ohio for the 2004 Presidential race. It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

    We’ve long known that the Rove generation of Republican strategists and operators are amoral, ruthless cheats — but the beauty of election-tampering via computer is that it leaves very little evidence.

    This looks like an analysis that the cheaters didn’t anticipate, and so didn’t counter.

    I’m trying to figure out a credible elevator speech; this one’s important.

  125. 125.

    Schlemizel

    October 28, 2012 at 12:43 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Yeah, DI mens programs are killing college sports.

  126. 126.

    Schlemizel

    October 28, 2012 at 12:46 am

    @J. Michael Neal: People were asking about you. Sorry you missed a great party. They passed the trophy around I won’t touch it, I didn’t earn the right but that just me.

    We sang the rouser & a great time was had by all.

  127. 127.

    Higgs Boson's Mate

    October 28, 2012 at 12:47 am

    @Yutsano:

    I used to live in the desert in Washington (yes that exists!) and I hated it.

    Yakima?

  128. 128.

    Steeplejack

    October 28, 2012 at 12:50 am

    Note to self: Read rest of thread before commenting.

  129. 129.

    ranchandsyrup

    October 28, 2012 at 12:51 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: @Jewish Steel: Thanks. Yeah bumblebee. Antennae didn’t pass muster with her.

  130. 130.

    Schlemizel

    October 28, 2012 at 12:54 am

    @efgoldman:

    Well, my Southern most ancestors were Scot, the rest being Swedes & Prussians (there are dark hints that there is some Native American but those died out with my grandmother). Winter darkness doesn’t affect my mood at all – I’m depressed at the height of summer! But that seems pretty normal for the Scandinavians as far as I can tell

  131. 131.

    Mnemosyne

    October 28, 2012 at 12:56 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Lambs can frolic adorably. Baby seals are cute, but they just kind of lay there honking.

  132. 132.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 28, 2012 at 12:59 am

    @Schlemizel: what you say applies to me, but most of my Irish descended relatives are like mad dogs and (though even now you wouldn’t want to say it to some of their faces) Englishmen, they love the noon day sun

  133. 133.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2012 at 12:59 am

    @Mnemosyne: Puppies! Hah, I have defeated you. You can counter with kittens, but my allergies forbid. Puppies, it is. I win.

  134. 134.

    Schlemizel

    October 28, 2012 at 1:00 am

    Interesting that we have never gotten an update from JC on his dad – it was asked for in the first few comments on this thread. Maybe this new lady friend is stealing our boy from us!

    Hope dad is doing OK & will be stumping his nose at us all real soon.

  135. 135.

    The prophet Nostradumbass

    October 28, 2012 at 1:01 am

    @PeterJ: and the A’s have won nine :-).

  136. 136.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2012 at 1:01 am

    @Schlemizel:

    stumping his nose

    That is funny. Wrong, sure, but funny.

  137. 137.

    Yutsano

    October 28, 2012 at 1:08 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: @Higgs Boson’s Mate: Tri-Cities. My parents still live there. I’ll be crossing the mountains for Thanksgiving, so it’ll be entertaining.

  138. 138.

    Radio One

    October 28, 2012 at 1:11 am

    If the Tigers actually win the World Series, it’ll be the biggest upset in baseball history. And if Romney wins the Presidency, it’ll be the biggest upset in politics since Truman’s re-election against Dewey.

    What I’m saying is that I’m almost as confident of the San Francisco Giants winning the World Series this year as I am Obama winning re-election.

  139. 139.

    Jewish Steel

    October 28, 2012 at 1:23 am

    @Radio One: According to CNN, the Giants and Tigers are tied.

    Tigermentum! (I do feel bad for old Jim Leland. He’s a fine old curmudgeon of a coach)

  140. 140.

    Calouste

    October 28, 2012 at 1:33 am

    @Schlemizel: The southern most part if Scotland is at a higher latitude than Prussia.

  141. 141.

    Radio One

    October 28, 2012 at 1:48 am

    @Jewish Steel: According to MSNBC, I’ve heard that Jim Verlander will definitely start for Detroit in game 4 and will totally turn this thing around! We’ve got a horse race here, people!

  142. 142.

    Maude

    October 28, 2012 at 1:56 am

    Lizzie Borden wasn’t fond of mutton.

  143. 143.

    Death Panel Truck

    October 28, 2012 at 2:20 am

    @Yutsano: I live in Pasco. Used to live in Yakima. Went to school in Ellensburg. Grew up in Prosser. Born in Othello.

    Lived here nearly all my life (except for five interesting years in Idaho in my late thirties.)

    I lived in Renton for six miserable months in 1995-96.

    Rained.
    Every.
    Fucking.
    Day.

    For three months. You can have it. I’ll take the heat instead.

  144. 144.

    James E. Powell

    October 28, 2012 at 2:28 am

    Apparently, the Romney/Ryan campaign wants to “Expand the Map” of the campaign.

    I don’t know if this is the last act of a desperate campaign or the first act of Henry V, but it strikes that it is a gimmick to get all the corporate press/media to lead their coverage with “Romney expanding campaign to several new states!”

    I predict that they will all follow along with enthusiasm.

    I interpret the Romney/Ryan e-mail that announces ExpandTheMap.com and begs for $1 million a day in donations to mean “we are giving up on Ohio but we can’t say that out loud.”

    Why don’t people start saying it out loud for them?

  145. 145.

    Death Panel Truck

    October 28, 2012 at 2:30 am

    @James E. Powell: It’s too late in the game for any of that to matter. The last act of a desperate campaign that sees the writing on the wall.

  146. 146.

    Yutsano

    October 28, 2012 at 2:37 am

    @Death Panel Truck: I’m a Navy brat. I was born in Hawai’i (no you cannot see my long-form) and lived in Virginia, South Carolina, California, Connecticut, and we finally settled in Bremerton. My dad got transferred to San Francisco when I was a junior in high school but my mom refused to move. I also lived in Idaho for a year (went to Boise State, GO BRONCS!!) and graduated from Wazzu. I jumped at a chance to move to Seattle two years ago and haven’t looked back. My parents have a ranch out in Finley, so I’ll be in town for five days over Thanksgiving and Christmas. I might even pop in at my old job.

    The mistake was living in Renton. You couldn’t pay me to live down that way.

  147. 147.

    Death Panel Truck

    October 28, 2012 at 2:58 am

    @Yutsano: There’s a reason they call Renton the Armpit of Seattle, located as it is at the bottom end of Lake Washington. A woman friend I knew there at the the time was amazed I actually lived there (I was doing a internship at the Valley Daily News in Kent, a paper that no longer exists), and rightly called it “a shit town.”

  148. 148.

    Death Panel Truck

    October 28, 2012 at 3:11 am

    @Yutsano: Oh, and Finley…a few affluent folks live out there, but as the old Tri-Cities joke goes:

    Q: What does a Texas tornado and a Finley divorce have in common?

    A: When all is said and done, somebody’s gonna lose a mobile home.

  149. 149.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 28, 2012 at 4:48 am

    @ranchandsyrup:

    Thank you! The banana costume is funny in that kind of ridiculous way, and your bumblekid is adorable!

  150. 150.

    Schlemizel

    October 28, 2012 at 8:01 am

    @Calouste: HUH! you’re right! I never looked at that on a map (or at least never paid attention) Just assumed anything that bordered on Denmark & the Baltic had to be more northerly!

  151. 151.

    Lojasmo

    October 28, 2012 at 8:26 am

    @Brian:

    As noted in above thread on this subject, S. Wang thinks the study is bullshit. Relax and GOTV.

  152. 152.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2012 at 8:32 am

    @Schlemizel: FWIW they are all north of most of the US.

  153. 153.

    redkitten

    October 28, 2012 at 11:53 am

    @Kristine: Here’s that lamb stew recipe. It’s super easy. If I want it even faster, I forgo the carrots and just throw in a bunch of frozen peas near the end. I serve it over couscous. Easy, tasty, healthy.

    http://sheepscreek.com/recipe.html

    (Not sure if that link brings you right to recipe, so name of recipe is “lamb stew in 30 minutes or less”.)

  154. 154.

    Kristine

    October 28, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    @redkitten: Got it–thanks!

  155. 155.

    uptown

    October 28, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    …makes me break out my light box for four or five months so I don’t hang myself in the basement.

    John, don’t ever visit Seattle between October and June. And most of the time September can suck too.

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