How Romney’s lie is playing in Ohio:
Mitt Romney is desperate to convince Ohio voters that he’s the candidate most committed to the U.S. auto industry — no matter how much confusion he must sow to do it.
Last week, Romney recklessly told a large audience in Defiance that he’d read that Chrysler’s Italian owners — that would be Fiat, which has controlled the American automaker since 2009 — were planning to move all Jeep production to China. The Republican presidential nominee’s statement predictably drew groans in Northwest Ohio, where the auto industry is critical to prosperity. He pledged to keep American jobs in America, if elected.
The company is investing $500 million and hiring 1,100 workers at its Toledo Jeep plant. The day Romney misspoke, Chrysler announced plans to add 1,100 employees in Detroit, too. A company spokesman called any suggestion that Chrysler is abandoning its U.S. plants “a leap that would be difficult even for professional circus acrobats.”
Ah, but not for a presidential candidate who needs a wedge in auto-dependent Ohio.
It won’t work. Ohio voters know who stepped up when the auto industry was at the abyss — and it wasn’t Romney.
The piece is titled “Flailing in Ohio”.
Today he’s running another campaign event in Ohio clumsily disguised as a storm relief effort:
Romney campaign now playing their campaign video from the RNC at their charity concert in Ohio for Sandy victims
Whether it’s auto jobs or storm relief, it’s all about what’s best for Mitt Romney.
h/t Daily Kos
PreservedKillick
I can think of nothing more fitting than for Mitt Romney to be hoist by own of his lies.
About fucking time.
flukebucket
The Randian philosophy in a nutshell.
dmsilev
I was just playing around looking at Pollster’s Ohio trend graph, and it’s pretty clear that Romney is basically screwed absent some dramatic game-changer in the state. It’s also clear that what happened after the first debate wasn’t some dramatic upending of the fundamental nature of the race, but rather a reversion to the long-term mean state of affairs. Basically, there was an Obama bubble in September, and it burst and things went back to equilibrium.
Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God
Holy shit. Functional media.
Gannett mustn’t have gotten to them yet.
PeakVT
I think the question of whether Romney is a horrible candidate or a horrible human being has been answered.
SFAW
@dmsilev:
Reading those skewed polls again, are you? Libtard.
Maude
I heard that people are surfing, not the web, near Cleavland.
Chris
I turned on the TV yesterday in time to catch a few seconds of an ad where a Concerned White Woman tsks tsks people for thinking that Romney is against abortion in the case of rape or danger to the mother’s life, when he clearly isn’t. “I’m pro-choice, but I’m concerned about the debt for our children.” I’ve mostly managed to avoid these ads, but even one… yecch.
Mister Gibbs, I feel sullied and unusual.
(No, I’m not in Ohio. Florida, though, swing state, same kind of shit. Muddy the waters and hope for the best).
SFAW
@PeakVT:
And the answer is: Both.
chadwig
I think I need to incorporate a verse about the auto-rescue into my tune “Owed to Mittins”. If anyone can help me out and write it for me let me know: ;^)
youtube.com/watch?v=Zi8EDu1szIs&feature=plcp
dmsilev
@SFAW: Arithmetic has a liberal bias.
General Stuck
Romney is playing with political fire, doing anything within the disaster area, and would likely be best served by staying away and campaigning elsewhere. But like you say, he is desperate to make a mark and put a dent in Obama’s firewall state of Ohio. Holding these ‘shadow president’ events in a disaster zone, Romney is truly rolling the dice that may well be loaded.
But what choice does he have? Obama and FEMA coming to the rescue with a fully funded and competent effort, is the perfect metaphor to the core of the prime issue for the election, for the role of federal government. Christie’s praise of Obama was a dagger to the heart of the GOP and Romney argument of small government.
FlipYrWhig
@Chris: She doesn’t actually even say she’s pro-choice. She says “this issue is important to me,” or something like that, and then pivots to talking about debt for no discernible reason. I know she’s an actress, but I really thoroughly dislike that performance. There’s something about the Jawline of Serious Concern that makes me want to start hitting people with crowbars.
Elizabelle
Cue the ad about Romney and FEMA.
The announcer can marvel that Mr. “Small Government” Romney thinks our great nation would be better served by fifty Centers for Disease Control, and FEMA run by every state, rather than pulling on our common strength and shared interest.
Wouldn’t that be more government jobs, only with less resources and coordination, and a guaranteed worse outcome?
Romney wants to disparage and destroy the commonly shared government functions that protect and preserve us all.
BGinCHI
I wonder if NJ would have blown away if Chris Christie wasn’t the governor.
Kay
@Maude:
The weather here is bad (waaaay west of Cleveland). It’s freezing, wind-driven rain. It’s going to ice up solid tonight. Everything will be closed tomorrow.
dmsilev
@PeakVT:
I believe the answer is ‘yes’.
dmsilev
@Maude: Lake Michigan here in Chicago is forecast to have 20 foot swells. There were breakers crashing high up on the shore as I went to work this morning.
PeakVT
Bloomberg press conference live now.
Robin G.
I am so disgusted by the reporters proclaiming BOTH CAMPAIGNS HAVE CANCELLED CAMPAIGN EVENTS. As though these “relief efforts” are anything else.
Kinda grateful to Christie right now. He’s a self-serving butterball who’s doing it to build his bipartisan credentials for 2016, but all his Obamalove is spawning a few “problems for Romney” stories in the MSM. Doesn’t hurt.
Kay
@Elizabelle:
He’s collecting canned goods for the storm victims. That’s how we would fare under a Romney Administration in a crisis. We’d get..whatever.
I’m not even giving them credit for charitable impulses anymore. They’re just self-indulgent dumb-asses who want to appear to be doing something without doing anything.
“Helping people” is not the same as helping people.
chopper
jesus I keep forgetting what a smug prick mittens is.
SFAW
It’s nice that the Plain Dealer is doing this, but it’s only Ohio, etc., etc.
What I fantasize about is the three broadcast networks and Fox Lite (a/k/a CNN) picking this up and running with it, without the usual “both sides do it” or “some people say” or “the Romney campaign explained that” bullshit.
I wouldn’t expect it to change things to 55 percent (Obama) vs. 45 percent (SpawnOfSatan), but just enough to put Ohio, VA, and NH out of reach of a Romney win. I think New Hamsters tend to be a little less tolerant of bullshit than run-of-the-mill Republicans (although not as anti-bullshit as they like to believe about themselves), maybe other semi-hesitant R voters would rethink things.
And maybe I’ll finally get that damn pony.
SenyorDave
I’m a bit of a pessimist by nature, but I have to think that for every undecided who may move to Romney because they believe the lie, there must be at least one undecided (or even leaning Romney) voter who will decide that the ad is the straw that breaks the camel’s back, and vote against the lying MF’er.
And the bus stuff as hurricane aid – that only works on the Limbaugh folks. Ordinary people will see that as pretty damn cynical.
Plus all of us get to see FEMA working as it should, with a president who actually appointed a person to head FEMA who actually is an expert in disaster management (even if he didn’t have th all-important background with the International Arabian Horse Association as the Judges and Stewards Commissioner).
I always thought Bush’s appointment of Brown as head of FEMA was almost criminal.
Legalize
Meanwhile, the Cincy Enquirer picks the same day to endorse Willard.
Chris
@FlipYrWhig:
Ah, you saw that one too.
There really is.
Especially when it’s Serious Concern about the deficit, coming from someone who yawned through eight years of record deficits under Bush.
(Yes, yes, I know. They retroactively TOTALLY WERE TOO protesting the spending in the Bush years!)
Napoleon
@Maude:
Some do surf in Lake Erie in conditions like today. The water is really cold but the waves are huge today.
dmsilev
Per Greg Sargent, Romney is doubling down on the Jeep lie, adding a new radio ad along the same lines.
BGinCHI
@dmsilev: Headed over to the lake in a few to see how high the waves are.
Will try not to get swept away.
Election Follower
That is a well known liberal newspaper. Yawn.
SFAW
@dmsilev:
What’s mildly ironic is that, for a party that looks down their collective nose at touchy-feely stuff, the Rethugs also are assholes about the other side of the coin, i.e. empirical reasoning, etc.
Well, it WOULD be ironic if the Rethugs hadn’t killed irony multiple times, but you know what I mean.
Villago Delenda Est
To call Dubya Mittens Rmoney a lying sack of shit is to disparage lying sacks of shit.
chopper
@Kay:
funny thing is the red cross doesn’t want canned goods right now.
Maude
@Kay:
Please be careful.
New York is going to make sure that people can vote next Tuesday as power will be out in some places. Take that Republicans.
@dmsilev:
I heard that and am amazed. Wow. That is dangerous. On Bloomberg radio, they called the Great Lakes smaller oceans.
PeakVT
@BGinCHI: Christie did a press conference not too long ago. He wasn’t doing his wise guy act so he wasn’t offensive. Something I noticed was that he was flopping on the podium a lot, like he was getting tired from standing up for an extended period. In his current state I seriously doubt that he could survive the grueling nature of a presidential campaign, let alone being president.
Just the Facts
Has the Plain Dealer endorsed anyone yet?
Maude
@Napoleon:
That must be something. My parents grew up in the fine state of Ohio. I spent many a wonderful summer there. I miss it. With all its problems, it has great people.
joes527
@Kay:
hmmm… spam has its own key.
Maude
@Kay:
Bet those cans have bubbles in them. I am not a good person.
BGinCHI
@Legalize: Why would that shit paper endorse anyone else?
It’s a perfect match.
Napoleon
@Maude:
From time to time I hear people hear in Cleveland tell storys of people who come in from out of town who express amazement that you can not see the other side of the lake, to which the classic thing you say as a local “there is a reason they call them Great Lakes”.
dmsilev
@Maude: The Great Lakes are easily big enough to support some pretty vicious storms. We’re only on the fringe of the Sandy system, so it’s not all that bad (no rain, at least not yet anyway, but a lot of wind), but when a front hits directly it can dump a lot of water on the city in a short period of time.
Kay
@dmsilev:
I’m not sure about “what it says” that he’s doing this. I think the national political media line is that he’s tapping into Obama voters because he has “momentum” and he’s expanding the map, or whatever. That’s certainly what the Romney campaign fed them. But the area he’s targeting isn’t really Democratic. Lucas County is, Toledo, and Wood County is a swing county, but the other (4) NW counties he’s targeting are solidly GOP. It could just as easily be seen as desperate, and many Democrats here do see it as desperate. He should have tied up the rural NW counties (like Defiance) long ago. Obama only got 45% there. It’s not exactly a Democratic stronghold.
Along with the polling, we’re seeing a national/state divide in perception, apparently.
jibeaux
Hey, if any storm victims need care or judging of their Arabian OR dressage horses, I know just the guys. Or, you know, some expired evaporated milk and condensed Campbell’s, they probably have that too.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Chris: also, Romney’s budget plan really doesn’t add the fuck up. As you said, this is an actress, but that young woman who asked about Ledbetter in the town hall debate said, in subsequent interviews, that she’s a teacher, strongly pro-choice, has insurance on her parents’ plan because of Obamacare, but she’s still undecided bc she’s worried about debt/deficit. How Romney Voodoo Econ II: Deficit Boogaloo addresses those concerns… she wasn’t asked in the interview I read.
Maude
@SFAW:
People who are ideologues are contradictory. Thanks heavens for spell check.
It took me time to figure out that they are that way. Before that, I used to get confused.
ericblair
@Kay:
Not true! 4 Pinocchios! You know it’s going to be expired cranberry sauce.
SFAW
@chopper:
That’s like saying “I keep forgetting to breathe.” I mean, his smugness and lying is omnipresent, all the time. Well, I guess you could say that if you have no access to TV or the Intertubez, you can’t see him being that way. (But that reminds me of the Existentialist question: “If Mitt Romney gives a speech and no one hears it, is he still a lying, smug prick?”)
Maude
@dmsilev:
Isn’t there a front coming down from Canada? It’s the one that is about to visit John. He could be in for dangerous snow. He can not pick up Lily at any time outside.
I am just learning about the Great Lakes. They are fascinating.
Kay
@Maude:
What are they going to do with food? Truck it to NYC ? How does this even make sense?
When I worked for the Postal Service I used to argue with this minister who sent….goods to Africa. It just seemed wildly inefficient and futile, really. Save the postage and send them the money.
BGinCHI
@PeakVT: I watched that too. I thought he looked really humbled, if that’s possible. Hard to judge authenticity in that crowd.
You really just wanted him to say, look, it’s not the teacher’s unions that are the problem, it’s that we have to invest in our state and build, and now rebuild.
I wish he would run for Prez and tell the right wing of his party to suck balls for being racists and shut-ins. The country would be better off.
Chris
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
The phrase “some people are just too dumb to live” comes to mind.
Svensker
@BGinCHI: No, he’d still live there.
SFAW
@dmsilev:
20 feet! Holy shit.
I hope you’re somewhere safe and warm. Good luck!
BGinCHI
@dmsilev: The wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, for example.
Election Follower
NEW NPR POLL HAS ROMNEY UP BY ONE!
Rasmussen tracker up by 2.
Gallup, the CADILLAC OF POLLS ROMNEY by FIVE!
The victory march to the White House CONTINUES!
The Moar You Know
Last night I had the monthly chat with the extremely right-wing father-in-law (the chain emails and the whole nine yards) who has just figured out after me being married to his daughter for two years that I’m a liberal, and not just a garden-variety liberal but a rather extreme one, far more so than his daughter. I guess my gun collection threw him off, he has no idea what to make of me now. I like the guy, he likes me, and both of us really don’t want politics to fuck it up, so I just let him talk. At no point did I evangelize for Dems or Obama. This man isn’t going to go there and there would be no point.
He started ranting and my jaw hit the floor. He wasn’t ranting about Obama, who he loathes. He is ON FIRE PISSED about Mourdock and Akin (quote: “these people are not my goddamned party”) but the one who really came in for the verbal ass-kicking was…Paul Ryan. The Medicare cuts, SS cuts, and the non-stop lying. He hates Romney too, but Ryan’s the final straw. Oh my God. He hates Ryan more than Obama, more than Osama Bin Laden, more than anybody. I don’t know who he’s voting for, I didn’t ask and that’s between him and his God, but I do know this: it’s not going to be Obama and it sure as shit isn’t going to be Romney.
Shit’s getting strange out there, folks.
redbeardjim
@Napoleon: Yeah, we got some of the same thing when we were living in New England. It was fun to tell them “because the lake is bigger than your state”.
donnah
Here in Ohio we have been buffeted by the hot air of the Romney campaign for months, so some cool air is actually a relief. We got snow last night, just enough to coat the cars. But it’s very chilly now and we may see more flurries today.
Romney is Supreme Asshole in so many ways. I’m disgusted to see more yard signs popping up for him in our middle class, blue collar neighborhood. It seems these people don’t understand that by voting for this asshole, they’re voting against their own interests. I can understand the wealthy neighborhoods supporting him, but these folks are not going to benefit at all from his policies. In fact, they’ll suffer. People are stupid.
BGinCHI
@Election Follower: Does that mean Ann Romney has two Gallup polls?
dmsilev
@SFAW: I’m 40 feet below ground (and well below the water table…) right now. I’m also about a mile and a half from the lake, so it would take something extremely serious to cause problems.
dmsilev
@BGinCHI: I think I preferred Election Follower back in his UNLIMITED CORPORATE CASH! VICTORY! days. Now that he’s gone mainstream, the artistry just isn’t there any more. Such a sellout.
Kay
@Maude:
I sometimes act as a guardian for children who are disadvantaged one way or another, and I love the (younger) ones who don’t know any better and say “I don’t want that” in response to an unrequested and (really) useless “gift”.
Tough. Enough about you. She wants to give you those used sweat pants! :)
canuckistani
@Kay:
My mother was never willing to mail my lima beans to starving children in Africa.
japa21
Surfing off the lakefront of Chicago yesterday as well. (Not me personally.) Lakeshore Drive could well end up closed today. Northeastern Indiana along the lake is also going to be rocked today.
Maude
@Kay:
I had forgotten the church do gooders that want to ship heavy items to Africa. In the first place, the truck or whatever won’t be able to get into the city now. Romney is stud and evil.
Christie has a bad cold and asthma.
SFAW
@Maude:
Yeah, I know. It just ceaselessly amazes me how totally clueless they are.
Ann Coulter (among others) keeps talking about how various pro-Democrat factions shouldn’t be allowed to vote, because they base their vote on the wrong things (e.g. touchy-feeliness or whatever).
Of course, if voter eligibility were based on intelligence tests, it would be the Rethugs that would lose half their votes. (Well, that assumes that a certain minimum intelligence would qualify you to vote, of course. But with Rethugs running Congress, I’d expect them to try to do it the opposite way, to ensure Rove’s permanent Rethug majority.)
TerryC
I drove from St. Claire Shores through the Grosse Pointes into Detroit on Saturday. (Disc golf tournament on Belle Isle.)
Saw nothing but Romney signs until we passed the UAW HQ near downtown.
My sister and brother-in-law were surprised at the clear demarcation line between the Pointes and Detroit.
Maude
@Kay:
They give things they themselves don’t want.
SFAW
@Chris:
And, as if on cue, our resident dumbfuck troll shows up 2 minutes later. (Sprich vom Teufel!)
Please don’t summon it again, OK?
The Moar You Know
@PeakVT: It’s serious business. Christie’s an asshole but realizes there’s a time and a place and this isn’t it. Which puts him head and shoulders above most of his party brethren right there.
As to his health, you’ll recall an incident last year where he was helo’ed into his son’s soccer game and then driven about a hundred yards from the landing site to the stands. Nobody put the obvious together.
Christie can’t walk a hundred yards.
Now, I’m a decade out and fifty pounds heavier from my mountain bike racing days, but I can (and recently have) walked ten miles. I cannot imagine the horrendous state you’d have to be in to not be able to hoof a hundred yards, but I’m sure it’s physically uncomfortable if not downright painful.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
also…
…the point of this is to persuade all those undecided voters who decided to take a day off work in terrible weather to attend a Romney rally? they were that eager to hear Richard Petty and Randy Owen, and the video might nail down their votes?
Maude
@SFAW:
I am still baffled by it. Ann Coulter should retire. She’s past her sell date.
Romney should hold a bake sale to fix the deficit.
SFAW
@dmsilev:
40 feet below ground? What’s that, the Hyde Park missile silo facility?
dr. bloor
@SFAW:
Yeah, well, as it happens, Ohio is a pretty Big Fucking Deal at the moment.
Election Follower
Karl Rove and the boys will soon be UP and ON THE AIR in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota with a major Super PAC assault in the final week to expand the map. Obama being forced to defend with ads of his own.
Looks like Nate Silver will be applying for a job come November 7th.
Kay
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
We’re going to have our own power outages tonight if it keeps sleeting. Maybe Romney and Ryan can find a bucket truck and do events on that.
dmsilev
@SFAW: No, that’s actually about 100 feet underground (there is actually something that deep; it’s a particle physics lab that needs a lot of shielding). I’m in the subbasement of a building, because the stuff I work on needs to be anchored directly to the foundation for a variety of reasons.
The missiles, by the way, are aimed at Northwestern.
R-Jud
@SFAW:
Who told you?!
(Could be the Mansueto library, maybe.)
BGinCHI
There is no way anyone can match the humor of a worked-up troll. It’s unpossible.
dmsilev
@Election Follower: Whatever happens, just keep on fucking that chicken.
jibeaux
@Kay: Even your very local food bank prefers cash to canned goods. They take canned goods, obviously, but mine puts the estimate at a $1 cash donation gets them 5 pounds of food.
PreservedKillick
@Election Follower:
I really love this notion. It’s very similar to the idea that “the right needs their own Nate Silver”, which I’ve also heard.
It’s just so…cute? The depths of cluelessness that those statements expose is truly fascinating.
Ash Can
I’m no big fan of Chris Christie, but I’m more than willing to give credit where credit is due. Not once through this whole disaster has he given me the impression that he’s out for anything or anyone else than his state and its people, and needless to say I’m delighted to see him giving Obama his share of credit.
And it also heartens me to see Romney getting what-for for his Jeep bullshit. At the time he started in on this, I was convinced that since the story was being debunked by the corporate MOTU at Chrysler, the debunking would have legs. Debunkings for this kind of malfeasance will never play out entirely to my liking — Romney’s campaign hasn’t been crippled — but it’s good to see the amount of pushback there has been. Maybe this story will turn out to be what salts Ohio away for Obama once and for all.
dmsilev
@R-Jud: The Mansueto is a wonderful building, though I confess to a certain philosophical nervousness about the idea of robotic librarians. That video doesn’t really convey the sense of how big, and how fast, those robots are. Sooner or later, they will become self-aware and Skynet will be upon us.
Amir Khalid
Is this lie actually working for Mitt outside Ohio? I ask because it appears he’s only making a fool of himself in that state, where the evidence against his claims is the weekly payslip of many a resident.
Elizabelle
It is fascinating to learn more about the Great Lakes. And:
Superstorm Sandy. Sounds so friendly and capable.
BGinCHI
@dmsilev: Hyde Park will take Evanston in the spring!
gex
@Elizabelle: Government efficiency is not measured the same way corporate efficiency is. With corporations larger, more centralized is better. Squeeze every penny of efficiency out of it rather than pay people living wages.
With government, efficiency is measured by how much rich straight white men can bully everyone else. That is best done at the local level for maximum efficiency, lest the lesser beings band together.
SFAW
@dr. bloor:
Yes, I know. It’s just that, being a selfish prick and all, I would really like it if the MSM finally woke the fuck up, and that said wake-up led to Obama getting 300-plus EV, and winning the PV by 5 percent. In other words, I want Obama to be in a position where Ohio is nice-to-have, not gotta-have. (Maybe not unlike terrorist actions becoming a nuisance, not an earth-shattering event, etc. “WHAT? YOU THINK TERRORISTS ARE ONLY NUISANCES? WHY DO YOU HATE ‘MURICA??” etc. etc.)
Maybe it’ll happen that way anyway, but I’d rather not rely on the hope that voters will have an unaided epiphany.
The Moar You Know
@Kay: I deployed overseas to a desert last summer, not long term, thank goodness. Our soldiers are taken very good care of, but there’s a category of asshole like your minister buddy who empties out the bucket of shit they couldn’t sell at their garage sale into a box and sends it to “any soldier, U.S.A”. There are a lot of things that the soldiers out there in the middle of nowhere wouldn’t mind having, but five copies of “Def Comedy Jam 1994” on VHS sure as shit isn’t one of them.
Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God
@PreservedKillick:
New opportunity for McMegan in 2016?
Zifnab25
@SFAW:
Not when you are working under the premise that anyone who disagrees with a Republican is stupid. Limbaugh, et al regularly plug themselves as the super-genius elite capable of exposing liberal lies and deceptions to unearth the conspiracies in their soft, nuggety hearts. And the “common wisdom” is strong on the right. That’s why “everyone knows” the employment numbers are rigged, Romney is leading in the polls, and tax cuts -> ??? -> profit is the path to economic prosperity.
Being “smart” is prefaced by believing whatever Republican line is being pushed at the moment.
geg6
@Maude:
Just so you know, those surfers are probably the crew who surf Lake Erie year round. Neither rain, snow, ice, hail, wind, sub-zero temps will stop them. They are crazy dudes, but they do it all the time.
One of Anthony Bourdain’s No Reservations was a show about Cleveland and they are featured. In fact, it’s my favorite show of the entire series. It features Harvey Pekar and Michale Ruhlman and whichever of the Ramones that lives in Cleveland. Great, great show. The Twinkie plant is especially fun.
bemused
Bill Clinton will rally in Duluth, MN today and I so wish I could go. I have to go with my elderly inlaws for a doc app instead. I’m hoping Bill will give a big boost to Nolan. Chip needs to move permanently to New Hampshire with his family and be a house dad and husband again.
Zifnab25
@PreservedKillick:
It’s funny how none of the Republicans doubted Silver back in ’10 when he was predicting a Republican landslide.
artem1s
@Napoleon:
moved to Cleveland 20 years ago. most of my big water experience previously was with the Gulf. It still kind of perplexes me that the Great Lakes doesn’t have tides. :-P
But the wind does push the water around Erie because it is so shallow. Sometimes the levels can shift several feet over a few days of high winds. It is a pretty weird place to sail. I was out on the lake last Thursday night. temps were in the high 70s. Now of course, the waves are huge. would link to some webcams but they are all currently down.
SFAW
@dmsilev:
UC always was jealous of Northwestern, especially since NW started playing half-decent football.
Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God
@Election Follower:
What are you for, exactly, troll?
Convince me to vote for Romney. You have one week.
If you change my mind, I’ll email your masters personally so they’ll know you serve them well.
Maybe they’ll let you lick some honey off their gloved fists as you kneel before them. (It’s good to have career goals, after all).
scav
Don’t know if this is the best link for them, but don’t miss out on seiches for the new fans of the Great Lakes.
SFAW
@Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God:
From your keyboard to TBogg’s ears, one hopes.
Seanly
@dmsilev:
That’s kinda dumb. Chrysler is denying it & adding staff now. People sitting at home in Ohio who are or know auto workers will know the ad is false or have an inkling something’s not right.
Is Election Follower our new troll to replace Political Observer?
I know everybody is saying that Sandy is a big unknown about how it will effect the presidential race, but while it may suppress turnout in the affected states, I think it’ll help Obama. There tends to be a “don’t change horses in mid-stream” – I think the Iraq War helped GWB in 2004 and Sandy could firm up Obama support. This assumes that FEMA and the governors are up to the task of helping their citizens.
Cacti
As for Mittens’ campaign rally disguised as a charity event…
If he was really concerned about disaster relief, he could easily cut a multi-million dollar check from his personal finances.
StringOnAStick
@The Moar You Know: I’m older than Christie and while I hiked 10 miles yesterday at around 9,500′ in elevation, I am also getting over a period where my knees were so inflammed I could barely walk around the house (or ride my mountain bike – bro!). So, to see that Christie can’t even walk 100 yards is a HUGE indication that he’s one blood clot/stroke/MI from being a political footnote*.
* Yeah, sure, a tough guy footnote, but dead at a relatively young age for, uh, lifestyle reasons is still quite plainly dead.
Elie
The most horrible thing about this campaign has been how the media has aided and abetted Romney’s lies, the overt, raw racism and last but not least, never holding Romney accountable for the tax returns. When you have this sort of abdication of responsibility, it is enormously frightening for our country.
The Romney campaign’s ability to promote and express blatant racism and classism in order to get the succeptible “white folks tribe” to suppport his mendacious candidacy will remain forever the most shameful and disgraceful failure of the media. I wish I could have a minute with a couple of these fuckers to give ’em a piece of my mind. Worse than hacks — these are destroyers and poisoners of the democratic dream (such that remains), for this country… I already thought that they were low — but this just seals it. Black/brown boys and girls at home: pay attention to this. Never forget — never take for granted that you can count on decency, fairness and democracy — you had better go out and work for it day and night….
I was out doorbelling on Sunday in Northern VA. I was a bit discouraged with a lot of folks not home and having received the cold shoulder from a couple of white people who voted for Obama previously but now would not say they would again…
I went to the door of a family (Bangledeshi, Ethiopian?) and was greeted by a young man getting out the cab he was driving. By that time, his wife and several other relatives were at the door. He saw my Obama button and clip board, as I asked if he was the person on my list. He said yes and then: “Don’t worry — we know what to do – we know what we HAVE to do” —
We get it — My mother, her mother and mother’s mother know what it means to be black/brown in this country. Of never being able to rest, to completely trust. We know. I hope enough of us have had that harsh lesson reinforced by this campaign and that we will take that energy to the polls that so many died and worked for to make sure we would have access. Lord please — please…
Elie
The most horrible thing about this campaign has been how the media has aided and abetted Romney’s lies, the overt, raw racism and last but not least, never holding Romney accountable for the tax returns. When you have this sort of abdication of responsibility, it is enormously frightening for our country.
The Romney campaign’s ability to promote and express blatant racism and classism in order to get the succeptible “white folks tribe” to suppport his mendacious candidacy will remain forever the most shameful and disgraceful failure of the media. I wish I could have a minute with a couple of these fuckers to give ’em a piece of my mind. Worse than hacks — these are destroyers and poisoners of the democratic dream (such that remains), for this country… I already thought that they were low — but this just seals it. Black/brown boys and girls at home: pay attention to this. Never forget — never take for granted that you can count on decency, fairness and democracy — you had better go out and work for it day and night….
I was out doorbelling on Sunday in Northern VA. I was a bit discouraged with a lot of folks not home and having received the cold shoulder from a couple of white people who voted for Obama previously but now would not say they would again…
I went to the door of a family (Bangledeshi, Ethiopian?) and was greeted by a young man getting out the cab he was driving. By that time, his wife and several other relatives were at the door. He saw my Obama button and clip board, as I asked if he was the person on my list. He said yes and then: “Don’t worry — we know what to do – we know what we HAVE to do” —
We get it — My mother, her mother and mother’s mother know what it means to be black/brown in this country. Of never being able to rest, to completely trust. We know. I hope enough of us have had that harsh lesson reinforced by this campaign and that we will take that energy to the polls that so many died and worked for to make sure we would have access. Lord please — please…
Jeffrey Hardy Quah
Just as the Hardtalk interview with William Shatner was starting to get interesting (Stephen Sackur was asking about the time when Star Trek was cancelled and Shatner had to live in his truck for a while, and Shatner was clearly getting annoyed at the line of questioning), BBC cuts to Mitt Romney. FFS.
Villago Delenda Est
@Election Follower:
The desperation. It is so sweet to me.
Maude
@SFAW:
I can’t help myself but, want to go see Wuthering Heights with me?
That was the worst movie ever. It took 8 real time minutes for Merle Oberon to die. 8 minutes!
geg6
@Maude:
That snow has been falling for an entire day at this point. The northern front hit at the exact time we got the weather from Sandy hitting the mountainous areas of Western PA, northern WVA and MD, and SE OH. Snowshoe had a foot when I was watching the news at 6am this morning.
Ash Can
Election Follower translated:
“Obama being forced to defend with ads of his own.” = “If all goes as planned with FEMA, Obama’s ad will be a TKO.”
“Looks like Nate Silver will be applying for a job come November 7th.” = “…with some outfit that will pay him a hell of a lot more than the NYT does.”
Elizabelle
@Ash Can:
The New York Times calls Romney out for the Ohio Jeep whopper:
Just “blogs?” The NYTimes clarifies a few paragraphs down:
And then:
So, not every Jeep is built in America by an American. The NYTimes fact-checks Stuart Stevens.
PS: sorry excerpts are so long. Figured many might be reading from their phones or handhelds today.
Cacti
@Villago Delenda Est:
Political Derp must really need the money. He’s worn out about 4 different handles now.
dmsilev
@Seanly: E.F. is simply P.O.’s latest name-change. The writing style, such as it is, is unmistakeable.
feebog
I wonder how many brave Ohio Republicans will come out to see Richard Petty on a cold rainy day? My guess is not so many. Meantime, PBO is in the White House, doing what a President should in a national emergency. The contrast is pretty stark.
Maude
@geg6:
Thanks for telling me. I just made a movie joke to SFAW and don’t get made at me.
I am ignorant about that area of the country.
I like information.
Ash Can
@Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God:
No way are any of us living good enough lives to deserve a blessing like that.
Chris
@SFAW:
I do not accept responsibility for this. Rather, I blame Obama.
nellcote
If Rmoney were a functioning politician instead of a zombie robot, he would have a fund raiser with his billionaire buddies, raise 500M for the Red Cross and be able to crow about the private sector contributions.
flukebucket
Or more importantly, will he try to do his version of America The Beautiful? Man, that Meatloaf version would give you a Goody’s headache!
Napoleon
One of the front pagers needs to run with this one:
delong.typepad.com/sdj/2012/10/the-stupidest-tweet-in-the-history-of-all-twitter-ever-comes-from-jon…
Humanities Grad
@dmsilev:
I grew up in Michigan, along the Lake Michigan shoreline. The beaches are fantastic (much better than anything we’ve got here in Ohio), and they’re a very popular summer vacation destination.
And every summer, several people drown in Lake Michigan because they don’t understand how the currents work and they get pulled out by the undertow.
It’s almost never the local residents who get killed. It’s the people from inland, who don’t always grasp that really freaking huge bodies of water need to be treated with respect. The locals get this, because it’s a part of their lives every day.
LanceThruster
On Morning Joe (MSNBC) I saw Broder/Brooks (don’t know which) talk about his piece that Rmoney’s flip-flopping and shape-shifting was a plus and that Mittens would be the one that could work with Congress in a bipartisan fashion and even get the Teahadists to get with the program and end the rancorous bickering in the House and the Senate.
I mean…W.T.F.?!??
Does he fart rainbows too?
yopd1
Brit Hume is an idiot and an asshole.
Randy
Romney is a horrible human being surrounded by horrible human beings.
Raven
Can we not have some big fucking uproar about Christie being fat? Who gives a fuck?
dmsilev
@LanceThruster: Broder is dead, so it was unlikely to be him on the TV.
Well, I suppose given that tomorrow is Halloween, it’s possible. Have we heard from Zombie Reagan yet?
Cacti
@Napoleon:
From the comments
Maude
@Maude:
I have to tell you that I now say, don’t be a female chronic pain patient and go to a new doctor.
I am on the third doc and he’s okay, but not like my original doctor who moved.
The first was a woman and that was unpleasant.
The second was a man and he treated me like a I stupid.
This one just lectured me.
I am closest to Tinicum in PA. It is getting cooler here, but not like your weather.
Stay safe.
I need to take some pictures outside.
Elizabelle
@Napoleon:
Richard Cohen of the WaPost has him beat for stupidity today. Not just a tweet. A whole column. Running a day after a major storm.
Not linking, but lame column about “The President Who Seems Not to Care.” Looks like Cohen thinks PBO may not be as passionate as RFK, but that’s all 10 seconds told me.
Saw it on Post sidebar and assumed it was Jennifer Rubin. Silly me.
LanceThruster
@nellcote:
There’s so much he could actually do (PR-wise) if he were not such a dyed-in-the-wool con-artist. Imagine him giving tax seminars showing how easily he shelters his dough and helping others do the same. You’re right that the same goes for his $$$ pals and his church but it’s all smoke and mirrors. He’s gonna load his goddamned bus with “emergency supplies” and thinks he’ll make a dent. It’s as if he fancies that he could deliver Berlin Airlift goods with a toy wagon.
What a maroon!
Go wash some clean homeless shelter pans with your Boy Blunder.
cckids
@Kay:
Yes. I remember back to hurricane Andrew (I think) when the Red Cross really came out & started up front telling people to not send stuff. They had truckloads of way-too-used clothing, stuff that even Goodwill wouldn’t take. Even the better stuff, they have to find a way to store it, devise some type of distribution system, make sure someone isn’t skimming off the best stuff to re-sell (I kid you not). It just adds a whole level of stuff to do, when they are already overwhelmed. Just send CASH.
LanceThruster
@dmsilev: You’re right. I can picture Broder now. It was Bobo.
StringOnAStick
@Elie: The single worst development in the US was the full corporate control of our media; when my Canadian friends ask me why US politics is so FUBAR, I tell them to fight tooth and nail to keep the CBC as free of political control as it is (witness what NPR has shifted rightward into).
When your main media overlords are also huge defense contractors (for example, G.E.), and when the head hairdo’s and pundits are all millionaires just for the sake of their corporate whore opinions, is it any wonder the MSM tilts for the rethugs?
Cacti
@LanceThruster:
Mitt would say jump, and the right wing would say “How high…would I have to be to take orders from you, RINO?”
Robin G.
@Ash Can:
I applaud your lack of cynicism, but Christie sees which way the wind is blowing for Romney and has got his eye on bipartisan credentials for 2016.
Raven
@Maude: Is it sciatica? My bride has been hammered for a couple of months and not much seems to be helping. She came hope from PT last night totally pissed off at the therapist because of the way she talked to her. She has an appointment with an Osteopath in a couple of weeks and this dude has a pretty good rep in this area.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Robin G.: I hope you’re right. I’ve been waiting for the ’16 hopefuls to send out those signals for a while. I thought Santorum would be hovering over every flip-flop/hedge on abortion like a vulture.
Cacti
@Robin G.:
This.
Blimpie knows that if he fucks this up, his 2016 hopes are DOA.
SFAW
@Maude:
What part of the country you in? Didn’t know it was showing anywhere around here, but I guess that’s what libraries and home-cook popcorn is for.
Wuthering Heights – what I’ve seen of it, which wasn’t much, and 20+ years ago – was OK, but not one of my faves. I think I prefer the semaphore version of it, though.
Eight minutes to die? Sounds like a good name for a band or something.
Elizabelle
@StringOnAStick:
Agree with you totally. Corporate ownership of the media has dumbed it down and turned it rightward. Particularly for the broadcast nets and cable.
Success for too many of the pencil press includes punditing (whoring) on broadcast.
Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God
@Napoleon:
Not even the Central Limit Theorem can be allowed to question The Party.
Omnes Omnibus
@Maude: I have friend who surfs the Great Lakes and made movies about it.
Omnes Omnibus
@Maude: I have friend who surfs the Great Lakes and made movies about it.
Patricia Kayden
@PeakVT: He can be both.
Such a liar. If he loses the Presidency, he can create a contest where people win for lying the best with a straight face. He would win hands down.
Can’t imagine 4 years of watching him smirk and lie and flip flopping.
cckids
@Ash Can:
Yep. This is why, weight issues aside, Christie is the most dangerous Repub out there. He may be mean, uncivil & foul-mouthed, but he is fairly competent & isn’t batshit insane. “In the country of blind men, the one-eyed man will be king.”
LanceThruster
@Robin G.:
I saw Christie’s appearances as smug and pandering as well. Look at me…Gov’nor Can-Do!
SFAW
@Chris:
Getting a head start on the post-election (if Romney manages to steal it) blame-Obama-for-everything bandwagon, are we? Not that the Rethugs haven’t already blamed him for all the bad shit, etc.
The Moar You Know
@Villago Delenda Est: Desperation my ass. He’s just phoning it in at this point. He used to be good, paid attention, tailored his content to the thread, got people riled and responding, derailing the thread. Now he just shits random bolded statements without meaning or context anywhere he feels like, and no one cares.
Were I the one paying him, he’d be fired for lack of effort. Although given the nature of the people who hired him, he may end up not getting paid at all. The RNC has a list a mile long of folks they stiffed in 2008 who still haven’t been paid – and never will be.
Election Follower's Mother
I am sorry about my son. I let him on the computer. I just got too tired cleaning up the poo he flings against the wall.
gwangung
@cckids: And all it takes is having an IQ over room temperature….
(Though that lets out 80% of the wingnuts out there….)
Election Follower's Mother
@The Moar You Know: He gets paid for this? Carny barkers across the country should rise in anger over this.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Election Follower: I laugh whenever I read your posts. Needs more CAPS and HTML tags!!!
“CADILLAC OF POLLS” rofl.
Is that you DougJ?
Thanks.
:-)
Cheers,
Scott.
GxB
@dmsilev: I always mentally see his posts in comic sans, though as of late they’re more resembling ransom notes.
Napoleon
@geg6:
That was a great show.
By the way, a little trivia. A few weeks ago I was in Lakeview Cemetary here in Cleveland and noticed that Pekar is buried next to Elliot Ness (well, at least there are no other graves between them, but they are not “husband and wife” next to each other)
LAC
@The Moar You Know: He gets paid for this? Carny barkers across the country should rise in anger over this.
El Cid
Chrysler / Fiat would be very, very pissed if the buying public were to think that their Jeep products (which include some pretty ritzy models) were all made in China and thus not desirable.
This is a really strong way to piss off that company, but since Chrysler took over American Motors which Romney’s father ran (after it went through many changes and was bought eventually by Renault which then sold it to Chrysler), maybe Mitt Romney has some animus against Chrysler anyway.
And given Romney’s and Bain’s fucking around with the privatized Italian telephone yellow pages company, what does he have against Italian ownership?
Chris
@cckids:
Yes. I concur. I’ve said so for a while and this confirms it.
@SFAW:
Well really dude, I just think we need to be honest with ourselves and admit that EVERYTHING is Obama’s fault. The Republicans say so. The firebaggers say so. Even the liberal Brooks says so. It must be true.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@Napoleon:
Next up, Jonathan Martin opens The Dragon Scroll and discovers that it is blank!
Interrobang
@artem1s: The Great Lakes do have tides; you just have to sit still enough for long enough to see them. On Lake Huron, they’re measurable in inches.
I’m halfway contemplating bugging a car-enhanced friend of mine to drive me the half-hour or so to Port Stanley, to see if I can see some big waves, but I think given that the weather continues to be grismal (both grim and dismal, with a soupcon of grey), I might give it a miss.
Maude
@Raven:
No, thank FSM. I am out of kilter from birth at both hip joints. It causes continuous muscles spasms in legs.
I am on a non opiate that is a miracle and I am fortunate. Back pain is awful.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@SFAW: Heh. The Maroons have a lot more Big 10 Championships than Northwestern. ;-)
Cheers,
Scott.
evinfuilt
@PreservedKillick:
Well the right does have their own “math”, so obviously if they could figure out its rules they could create statistics and a statistician who understands it. But as we already know, their math changes like Romneys beliefs, so it’s no good, it can’t happen.
SFAW
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:
Recently?
nastybrutishntall
@BGinCHI: Ding ding ding! Please see the attendant to collect your internet today.
Paul
Romney used to be a Mormon Bishop. Now he cuts an ad that is so easily proven to be a lie. I’m speechless.
quannlace
Yeah, encouraging people to bring canned goods and bottled water? They’ve been told since yesterday the Red Cross can’t take those kind of contributions. So how are they going to get them to the people effected, in Romney’s campaign bus?
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@SFAW: Of course not. After running the table for so many years, there was nothing left to prove. ;-)
Cheers,
Scott
(AB ’83)
SFAW
@Maude:
Sorry to hear about your pain and troubles. Is it the kind of thing that hip-joint replacement would fix? (I’m guessing “probably not”, but I’m certainly no expert.)
Paul
@Election Follower:
Good luck. I REALLY, REALLY hope Rove etc are wasting resources in MI, PA and MN rather than Ohio.
Isn’t it funny how FoxNews claims Obama is the worst President ever, yet you have a really hard time convincing anybody else about it.
SFAW
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:
Yeah, keep telling yourself that. Next thing we know, you’ll be going on and on about PRESIDENT-ELECT RMONEY in FOUR DAYS!
Randy P
@Kay: My rule is to donate to Red Cross and Doctors Without Borders (Medecins Sans Frontieres). They’ll put the money where it needs to go.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@SFAW: Heh. :-)
Seriously, Chicago had the sense to get out of big-time sports long ago – in 1939 – sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1128811/index.htm . Penn State could learn a few things from their experience. :-(
Cheers,
Scott.
yopd1
Brit Hume is currently trying to defend his tweet:
by saying that FEMA is only a small part of the federal government. Because we all know that the only people from the federal government helping out are FEMA.
hoodie
The lie suggests that Romney is trying to draw to an inside straight in OH now. You don’t take a risk on an easily disproven lie like this if you think you have in the bag or or at least in reach. He’s tried everything else, including casting himself as a champion of the auto bailout, Benghazi, and “momentum” by pretending that PA and WI are in play. Now he’s down to real long shots that can blow up in his face. He hasn’t given up in Ohio because he has no other clear road to 270. He’s losing in WI, IA, NV and probably CO (where the Latino vote is probably being undercounted in the polls). He’ll take NC and maybe Florida, but that won’t be enough.
PreservedKillick
@hoodie:
This.
He’s also trying to make political hay from Sandy, and that’s even higher risk.
He desperately needed to change to conversation in Ohio, has not managed to do so all year, and then – when it got down to the wire, his last chance at getting some attention got sucked away by Sandy.
I expect he’ll get even more desperate on a daily basis.
1badbaba3
@feebog: Why won’t Willard stop torturing the good people of the great state of Ohio? Inflicting PinchedLoaf on them last week was bad enough. But to have all those old people out in weather like that, why, it’s shameful.
But, I’m sure he’s invested in something where he will benefit from this ‘thinning the herd’ strategy. Because he’s a job creator and that’s how they roll. Because ‘Murica Fuck Yeah! ! ! Because, shut up, that’s why! ! !
Villago Delenda Est
@ThatLeftTurnInABQ:
Or opens up Al Capone’s fabulous vault to find…dust and cobwebs!
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@General Stuck: But it’s such a contrast to the canceled Obama events in Cincinnati and Cleveland(?). In Dayton, it’s “Obama,You’re Fired – here’s some canned goods,” while an hour south many (at least several, myself included) are glad to forgo attending a campaign event because the President is doing his actual job in a crisis.
Villago Delenda Est
@Paul:
Obama is a ni*CLANG*. That, by the definition of Faux Noises’ racist shitstain demographic makes him the worst Preznit ever, without even bothering to look at anything he’s done.
There is no Rmoney love in the GOP. There is only racist hate of Obama.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Randy P: Donations of funds are the correct and efficient response, but don’t make for the photo opps and fuzzy feelings about having “helped.” Never mind that random supplies are an inconvenient hassle. Fuckers.
Applejinx
I like that Christie’s smarts compels him to take positions that are not evil- because the electorate may be kinda dumb, but it is not evil either. Not majority evil…
Christie supports federal FEMA when his state is clobbered by disaster. Romney collects cans of soup, because big government can’t be admitted to work, or to have advantages over what church basements can get together.
Christie rages against persecution of Muslims, and appoints ’em to the judiciary. I don’t care if he’s doing it while calculating demographics. He is still right to do so!
If we gotta keep all politicians innocent to be okay with our world, we’re in big, big trouble. Christie is clearly one calculating motherfucker, and has concluded the Republican Party is doomed due to evilness and stupidity. What does he do? Throw it under the pointless Romney campaign bus (which is full of cans of soup), and position himself to work within a system that is not as evil and stupid, thus legitimizing that future system as it comes into focus for people.
THAT is the kind of opponent I would like to have to deal with. I sincerely hope that it would make him harder to fight than the loonies are- but he’s not wrecking things as much, and he’s validating things that must be taken as common goals.
Jay in Oregon
@Applejinx:
I would be totally OK with Republicans who want to have reasonable discussion on the scale and role of government in people’s lives, and understand the nature of compromise.
I can do without the anti-science, retrograde, fuckwitted zealots that currently infest the party.
They don’t give a shit about anything other than getting their way, and they don’t care who has to suffer in order to get it, as long as it’s not them.
Catsy
I have to admit that “Election Follower” and its ilk are mildly more annoying than actual right-wing trolls. They’re such blatantly obvious spoofs, but they don’t create any of the purported entertainment or scratching-post value associated with spoofs.
At least the right-wing trolls actually believe in something, even if it’s nothing more than electing people with a R beside their name or sticking it to gheys/minorities/women/poor. The dipshit lefties who’ve fooled themselves into feeling clever by poorly spoofing wingnuts are doing nothing except wasting bandwidth–trolling for lulz, and producing none.
Zippity
@Raven: Hey, I have a herniated disc at L5/S1 that gave me the same symptoms as sciatica. Tried 4 different physical therapists, and was very close to having surgery, when a friend suggested that I find a Mckenzie certified therapist. I did, and started getting results in 2 weeks, after fighting the injury for over a year. Cannot recommend the methods enough.
Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God
What, exactly, are people with no power, or stuck in some high school auditorium, supposed to do with canned goods?
James E. Powell
@Omnes Omnibus:
I have a friend who surfs the Great Lakes and made movies about.
There’s no surf in Cleveland.
James E. Powell
Cleveland’s lake front does get some big water in storms.
SFAW
@James E. Powell:
Well, technically, you’re correct. But when the Cuyahoga gets to burnin’, the thermal gradients in the water generate some eddies, which eventually manifest themselves as “waves”.
Mary Brown
I’m sure my reaction is an itsy bitsy over the top and I know I have lived in the near south long enough to have absorbed the desire for retaliation. Just got home after an hour’s commute in lousy weather and some cowardly Republican stole my Obama yard sign again, along with a few Obama signs in the area. There’s a part of me that says this is penny ante piddley stuff but there’s a pretty big part of me that would like to choke the living shit our the weasels. Just had to get that off my chest. I hope it’s an indication of how scared the assholes are feeling. I’m a Reservist who will be retiring in the next 1.5 years and I want Obama’s signature on my retirement papers. Anybody’s signature other than his on that paper makes it fancy toilet paper. I’ve got to move out of OH before I lose all remaining traces of civility.
TenguPhule
No, she was past her sell date when Reagan was in office. At this point she’s a walking biological disaster zone that prays nightly to the Great Rand that the FDA doesn’t get the funds and inspectors needed to quarantine her in a steel plated drum.
James E. Powell
@SFAW:
You gotta hit the link. It’s a classic.
Kathleen
@Legalize: I was shocked, shocked I say about the Romney endorsement.. But they did endorse Sherrod Brown. The Mandel endorsement talking points fax from the Hamilton County GOP must have jammed.