Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Yeah, with this crowd one never knows.

Putin must be throwing ketchup at the walls.

Conservatism: there are some people the law protects but does not bind and others who the law binds but does not protect.

“Jesus paying for the sins of everyone is an insult to those who paid for their own sins.”

After roe, women are no longer free.

Usually wrong but never in doubt

They are lying in pursuit of an agenda.

Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to.

Nancy smash is sick of your bullshit.

Black Jesus loves a paper trail.

Meanwhile over at truth Social, the former president is busy confessing to crimes.

The cruelty is the point; the law be damned.

Republicans do not pay their debts.

Roe isn’t about choice, it’s about freedom.

Let there be snark.

Today’s GOP: why go just far enough when too far is right there?

Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.

Why is it so hard for them to condemn hate?

Whatever happens next week, the fight doesn’t end.

Impressively dumb. Congratulations.

I like you, you’re my kind of trouble.

So it was an October Surprise A Day, like an Advent calendar but for crime.

You don’t get rid of your umbrella while it’s still raining.

When someone says they “love freedom”, rest assured they don’t mean yours.

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Did my civic duty today and voted, immediately called dad (who had also voted early) and told him “I JUST NEGATED YOUR ROMNEY VOTE,” He laughed. Mom won’t tell me who she voted for and said “I WILL TAKE IT TO THE GRAVE.”

I have that kind of deep down tired that shitty and changing weather brings on. I think I may have to cook a turkey and cocoon for a couple days.

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  1. 1.

    Hal

    I’ll be negating my mothers vote next week in NY state. Not that NY is going to swing Romney. She may just stay home.

  5. 5.

    mark

    hey John Cole…
    I’ve thought Obama should nominate Chris Christie to the supreme court. what do you think? prosecutor, straight talker, and I think he’s right moderate if he could dump the policy BS he has to adopt to keep his eyes on running for higher political office. he always seems his most insincere when taking republican. plus, in one swoop, he removes strongest challenger for the dems in the next presidential election. and gets bone-i-fied bipartisan cred for the history books.

    all the dems and liberals FREAK THE EFF OUT when I voice this idea…

    what’s your opinion????

  6. 6.

    Ash Can

    And don’t forget to collect all the carcass and bones and skin and parts and drippings and shit and throw ’em all in a great big stock pot and simmer ’em all to hell and make the best goddamned soup in the world.

  7. 7.

    Spaghetti Lee

    I’m 99% sure my family will be casting four votes for Obama on Tuesday. We tried to get the cat to join in, but he said he’s still waiting for a candidate who shares his values.

    Not to pry into your personal business, John, but I assume you tried to impress upon your dad that he really, really ought to vote for Obama. What was the sticking point?

  12. 12.

    the Conster

    Today is Día de los Muertos. I’ve got an offering for Romney, but it’s currently in my intestine.

  13. 13.

    LanceThruster

    I think I may have to cook a turkey and cocoon for a couple days.

    L-tryptophan is a helluva drug.

  14. 14.

    scav

    Sometimes, that’s basically why we have families: to know exactly whose votes we negate. I’ve been blessed–recentlly it’s all been second+ cousins.

  15. 15.

    John Cole

    @mark: I think you are a moron.

    Recognizing a Republican acting like a human being does not make you a fanboi of said Republican, despite what you read in the comments here.

  17. 17.

    Warren Terra

    @mark:
    Serious suggestion: Chris Christie for DHS. It’s a job that rewards aggressive assholes, and (except for collective bargaining and outsourcing issues, which I think Congress already killed) it doesn’t really get at areas of (non-crazy) partisan disagreement. Heck, maybe he’d try to cut the budget of DHS.

  20. 20.

    The Other Chuck

    @Ash Can:

    And don’t forget to collect all the carcass and bones and skin and parts and drippings and shit and throw ‘em all in a great big stock pot and simmer ‘em all to hell and make the best goddamned soup in the world.

    It’s the shit that sets it apart, really adds flavor.

  22. 22.

    Alison

    Elections make me extra glad that my parents and I share fairly similar political views. I’m definitely more liberal on various things, but they are Dems, and left-leaning in general, and hate the ever loving fuck out of Romney and 99.9% of Republicans.

    It’s especially fortunate now that I live with them, otherwise I might have crawled into the oven a long time ago.

  23. 23.

    mark

    @Warren Terra: this is excellent idea. except I’d be wary of an aggressive prosecutor there, would rather see a public defender.
    and…when I think about that,I suddenly see the disaster angle of my supreme court argument…
    sure would be a decent swap for scalia though. although I suppose anyone would be

  24. 24.

    Warren Terra

    @barath:
    The DHS does profiling, I believe, and badly. Republicans like Steve King and those assholes screaming about Sharia law in Kentucky do profiling. Other than having been in charge of the notorious New Jersey Highway Patrol, I don’t know that Christie does profiling. The clip Cole posted last night suggests that he’s opposed to it, at least when it affects his friends. Awareness that bad profiling exists is, believe it or not, an impressive accomplishment for a Republican.

  25. 25.

    The Dangerman

    Christie’s been playing for 2016 since at least the convention and saw a way to put a knife in Mitt’s back; it’s the Jersey way. I’ll assume Mitt isn’t sending Chris a Christmas Card.

    Speaking of “Christmas” and “Still Alive”, I’ll submit to the sports junkies around here that Mike Brown won’t be Coach of the Lakers by Christmas. He may not make Thanksgiving. I mentioned a couple days ago I feared a trainwreck and, right now, it’s headed that way. They lost to Dallas without Dirk and they are getting hammered by Portland tonight.

  26. 26.

    handy

    The Romney campaign is one of some serious unforced errors. He should have been on the first available flight to NJ shaking Christie’s hand once it became clear this was the epicenter of the biggest news story before election day. Instead he allowed Christie to give him a big middle finger, his campaign gets buried under the lede.

    Romney has become the worst possible thing that can happen to somebody playing from behind: irrelevant.

  28. 28.

    pseudonymous in nc

    @Warren Terra:

    Serious suggestion: Chris Christie for DHS.

    He wouldn’t take it. It’s a poison chalice of a job — you have to deal with people screaming about the threat of Teh Ayrabz while screaming about taking off their shoes. It’d be nice if there was somebody who had the cojones and lack-of-giving-a-fuck to wind down security theatre at airports and say to the American people that crossing the street is risky, and DHS’s job is to reduce risk, not eliminate it.

    So, someone with no higher ambition and a willingness to take the fall if policies go a bit off kilter.

  30. 30.

    pseudonymous in nc

    @handy:

    He should have been on the first available flight to NJ shaking Christie’s hand once it became clear this was the epicenter of the biggest news story before election day.

    Nah, that would have been “going where he wasn’t needed”. He should have written a big fat check to the Red Cross, called off campaign events, and shut the fuck up for the rest of the day. Instead, he had his piss-poor creamed-corn drive that failed to impress even the press corps that’s desperate to keep it horseracy.

  31. 31.

    Maeve

    My parents live in Arizona (they retired there_, my siblings in Texas (got jobs there, we grew up in Illinois), I live in Alaska (got a job here, love it here) – we’re all voting Obama but it probably won’t matter in the electoral collage. My town in Alaska is slightly blue – usually goes 51% of more for the democratic candidates (Obama, Kerry etc) but half the people in Alaska live in the Anchorage area which is more conservative (the rural/urban divide in Alaska is opposite – rural is democrative/liberal/racially diverse – urban is folks who moved to Alaska for oil jobs and have libertarian (except give me my permanent fund dividend!) and conservative/right wing tendencies.)

    I was visiting the ‘rents in Arizona earlier in April – my Mom (78 years old) is doing phoning at the local dem office = they live in the district where Gabby Giffords was rep and Barber is running for re-election. Plus Carmona for senator – he may be a DINO in a lot of his positions but at least he’s a Dem.

    In their 55 and older community I only saw Barber/Carmona signs. Else where I only saw a few really right-wing nutjob signs more against Obama then for Romney.

    Still when socializing they have to not discuss politics for those who shudder at the lack of border control and need for guns etc.

  33. 33.

    belae

    Fuck no on Chris Christie on Supreme Court, nor any rep on any of main juicy cabinet post. No more republican filling defense what not like Gates(though he is not too bad). I want die hard liberal lesbian multiracial 40 years old to fill the next Supreme Court opening for the next 50 years. And that preferably happens after Scalia drop into a coma from one more extra double cheese burger.

  34. 34.

    Ash Can

    @The Other Chuck:

    It’s the shit that sets it apart, really adds flavor.

    If you ask me, it’s the little piece broken off the end of your great-uncle’s cigar butt that does it, but YMMV. :D

  35. 35.

    The Dangerman

    @JordanRules:

    Agreed, by Christmas.

    I’m actually kinda sad for him; a lot of this isn’t his fault.

    I watched the end of the game and the Lakers made a nice run to make it marginally respectable, which shouldn’t surprise me as their starters are pretty good (if aging)…

    …but the bench is a sick joke. I should check the box score, but I can guess the numbers will be atrocious. Which means you have to keep your aging stars in longer and, well, trainwreck. It’s just happening a couple months sooner than I expected.

  36. 36.

    Spaghetti Lee

    @The Dangerman:

    Yeah, what’s the deal? What happened to SUPERTEAM? Could it be that Bryant and Nash are just old?

    Two games doesn’t mean much, but I’ll admit it’s fun to watch the Lakers fail.

  37. 37.

    Spaghetti Lee

    @belae:

    I want die hard liberal lesbian multiracial 40 years old

    “The prosecution would like to present its evidence, Justice Tequila.”

  39. 39.

    Hill Dweller

    The twitter machine is telling me there is a shooting(multiple victims) in Hollywood(Hollywood Blvd & Hudson).

  40. 40.

    dollared

    I am so fucking sick of the Chris Christie love. John Stewart did it tonight too. We are all praising the guy for knifing his own team’s quarterback in the back.

    And how many times do we have to explain it?

    Any.fucking.bipartisan.agreement.will.be.between.the.money.wings.of.both.parties.and.real.people.will.get.fucked.

    We need more class warfare and more partisanship, not less.

  41. 41.

    Pavonis

    I overheard this in the voting booth while early voting today:

    “Barack Obama wants to marry me!”

    ?
    An Obama voter? I hope…

  42. 42.

    pseudonymous in nc

    @dollared:

    We are all praising the guy for knifing his own team’s quarterback in the back.

    No, we’re saying “fucking hell, a GOP governor who appears intent on using government to help people in a shitty shitty position” because we’ve stopped taking for granted “basic belief in functional government” among such people, and that’s not healthy.

  47. 47.

    dollared

    @pseudonymous in nc: Then use your brain. He’s not reaffirming basic faith in government. He’s doing what’s good for him right now. Your interpretation may flatter your beliefs, but Christie 2016 would be one seriously hardcore fascist enterprise. And this single two day span of “bipartisanship” will get him a free pass to implement the same policies Willard would have implemented.

  49. 49.

    trollhattan

    Silver has Willard’s chances of winning down to 21%. Moar UNLIMITED CORPORATE CASH please. Also, too, Sam Wang is kinda sorta back up.

  51. 51.

    Dexter's new approach

    Since Debate I that catapulted Romney, he’s been a mess.

    I can’t explain tenuous voters, but with the obvious Romney OHIO fail event and the Christi love (when every one is watching) our man is in the clear.

    In times of trouble the rubes go to man of action and Romney looked silly vs. O strong. And O with the the no-BS R guy – bipartisan shit they all want.. It’s over

  52. 52.

    smith

    Bad couple of days for the GOP.

    First one of their shining stars (Christie) gets all BFF with Obama, then Condi Rice refuses to put any blame on Obama for Benghazi. I’m surprised there hasn’t been a mass Republican breakdown.

  55. 55.

    Chris

    @dollared:

    Word.

    Christie is the governor of a severely liberal East Coast state, that’s all that’s happening here. Sure, that makes him more moderate and flexible, but remember when Romney was so reasonable he was pro choice and invented Obamacare? I seriously doubt if Christie’s qualities, such as they are, will survive the transition to national Republican politics any better than Romney’s.

  56. 56.

    Dr. Squid

    Never mind that – we hear the same Floridian clown is running again against Dopey Joe Manchin, except this time he’s like 40 behind. Does that race have any entertainment value?

  57. 57.

    Haydnseek

    @The Dangerman: Two things going against the Lakers. They’re old. I mean, really old. Nash is already dinged up, Kobe’s on his way out, Metta Rest in Peace? Done. Reason 2: Mike Brown. Nice Guy. Bad Coach. Dwight Howard? If he stays healthy, the Lakers go out in the second round of the playoffs instead of the first.

  59. 59.

    Yutsano

    @MikeJ: TMZ is not known for holding back on things. Methinks they might be slightly underwhelmed with Timmy’s career.

  61. 61.

    Joel

    @Haydnseek: I like Brown as a coach, but Nash in the princeton offense? Really? Steve Nash on this year’s Lakers is a huge liability, unless they switch up their offense. Nash can only contribute in two ways, playmaking and shooting, and the princeton offense takes out the playmaking aspect. So now you’re just stuck with an older Steve Blake.

  62. 62.

    DPS

    No Election Follower/Political Observer? :(

    What a time to abandon us, just as Mitt Romney is surging like the Atlantic Ocean.

    I guess he probably just doesn’t want to rub it in.

  63. 63.

    MikeJ

    @Yutsano: I thought that line was from the yahoo sports writer, although the meat of his story is from TMZ. He doesn’t quote it after all.

    Either way, I know nothing of your American hand-egg, even though I grew up the south. I do have a rare picture of me engaged in sport that I found this very night though. Taken at some point in the 80s.

  64. 64.

    Haydnseek

    @Joel: Yep. Nash arguably as good as John Stockton running the pick and roll, so let’s install a completely different offense. Defense? MIA yet again. That whooshing sound you hear is OKC cruising to the western conference title, where they just might give the Heat more than they bargained for in the finals.

  65. 65.

    Mandalay

    @Warren Terra:

    Serious suggestion: Chris Christie for DHS.

    Serious answer: No, a thousand times over!

    http://www.aclu-nj.org/news/2012/01/24/gov-christie-earns-mixed-marks-on-civil-liberties-during-his-first-two-years

    http://www.aclu-nj.org/news/2009/04/23/njs-federal-law-enforcement-used-gps-to-track-peoples-cell-phones

    Christie is temporarily not being a self-serving asshole until NJ gets all the federal $$$ he asks for. He is unstable, and a really nasty piece of work. He should not be in any position of power, let alone running the DHS.

  68. 68.

    Platonicspoof

    . . . I JUST NEGATED YOUR ROMNEY VOTE.

    Negate, like a matter and anti-matter pair colliding?

    Then next Wednesday (or week from Wednesday) the popular vote totals would go down as President Obama
    9 million, and Rmoney, zero.

    Wouldn’t really be any stranger a translation of the number of votes than saying 365 electoral votes to 173.

  71. 71.

    Cmm

    Serious question, where does this Benghazi stuff about “the people on the ground called for help but were refused” and now, that Obama was actually watching live vis satellite, originate? Most urban legend/conspiracy stories have some small grain of truth that the other stuff coalesces around, but this seems made up from whole cloth. Anyone have any reliable links on the history/factual basis of this line of thinking?

  72. 72.

    Randy P

    @DPS: Let me try to fill in the gap.

    Scholastic Press reports Romney +15 in straw poll of Mrs. Wilkins’ 4th grade class in PS 145.

    Rasmussen Reports, the Gold-Plated Standard of Polls, shows Obama only +93 in Ohio. A statistical tie!

    Whole buncha polls show Romney on top on Montana, Texas and Mississippi.

    PRESIDENT-ELECT RMONEY BABY!

  73. 73.

    DPS

    @Randy P:

    Thanks, that’s pretty good. I still would have liked a link to the Dick Morris “Romney landslide” piece in The Hill. Also “SHOCK POLL” and “DEMS IN DISARRAY” are nice. You take what you can get, though.

  74. 74.

    mai naem

    No, absolutely no, to Christie at DHS or the USSC. Are you people out of your fvcking mind? I actually think Obama may offer Christie some kind of job in the admin or at least some panel. I find it hard to see Christie taking Obama up on it. I don’t think he’ll want to get Huntsmanned but if he did manage to knock out Christie it would be a nice payback to Hillary. Plus, Christie’s young enough that he could wait till 2020, even 2024.

  75. 75.

    Applejinx

    Are you people crazy?

    Christie for Presidential Run 2016.

    Christie for backstabbing the electorally doomed hard right in 2012 and delivering them an epic election fail WAAAAY beyond stealing (go phonebank and stuff, do anything to push this as far as humanly possible!)

    Christie for taking over the party from both the bigots and the Galtians, because the 1% does not vote in large enough numbers to win and unlimited corporate cash is proven to fail! Christie for making the GOP entirely about grabbing back the Blue Dogs with unwavering, Republican-like focus. They are ‘soft’ for the Dems and always were. That and the Hispanic vote is where the Repubs need to be.

    Christie for sticking with this because demographics absolutely demand it. The Galtians and bigots can go fuck themselves, they are about to be rendered politically irrelevant as this election is overtly a trial balloon on them and them alone.

    Christie for running for President in 2016 in a haze of self-importance… and losing to the Democrat, but shoving the Overton window so hard left in the process that Eisenhower Republicans start to look normal again, and 50s-era big-government first-world projects like the highway system become how the country feels good about itself.

    We may never be the empire we were- but the nosedive into third world status just stopped. Get busy building the new narrative!

  76. 76.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    @DPS:

    Is there a federal Department of Weights and Measures? Christie would fit in there nicely I would think.

  77. 77.

    Lojasmo

    @different-church-lady:

    In the end we’re all here to negate our parents.

    Not me. Mom voted democrat all her life. Biological pop, his wife will both vote Obama, both stepdads will vote Obama, and everybody will vote no on the anti-gay marriage amendment.

    Minnesota rocks.

  78. 78.

    Lojasmo

    Missed my FYWP edit window.

    Wife’s parents are teahadi douchebags, but they retired to Pima Co, AZ a few years ago. I will enjoy bragging that Pima will once again go to Obama.

  80. 80.

    sm*t cl*de

    I guess that purple-thumb trick for preventing electoral fraud doesn’t work for everyone.

  82. 82.

    Paul in KY

    We need to stick the shiv into Christie sometime between now & 2015. If Pres. Obama is relected (please, God), the number 1 goal is for another Democrat to win in 2016 (12 years or more of control is what is needed to really roll back the crap that Bush/Cheney inflicted upon us).

    To me, this was Pres. Clinton’s biggest mess-up: He didn’t work enough to set up VP Gore to succeed him. Maybe he thought it was a done deal, but 2000 showed us the flaw in that kind of thinking.

  83. 83.

    Jay C

    @JC:

    I think I may have to cook a turkey and cocoon for a couple days.

    Do you stuff the turkey with the cocoon, or cook it separately??

    @handy:

    The Romney campaign is one big of some serious unforced errors

    Fixt. And true, besides: worst Presidential campaign since 1988, IMO: and without, even, any of the usual excuses….

  84. 84.

    Original Lee

    Both parents and Grandma all voted Obama (first time voting for a Democrat since Truman, in Grandma’s case). All three hate Romney with the passion of a thousand flaming suns.

    Mother-in-law voted Rmoney because she had to wait three years to get her green card and thinks the DREAM Act is unfair. Father-in-law might have voted Obama – he knows a lot of people who used to work for Ampad and is very suspicious of the alleged Ryan budget plan.

    I did my best.

  85. 85.

    redshirt

    I’ve got 5 parents now – 3 Obamas, 2 Romneys. The 2 Romney votes will never change from R as far as I can tell, cuz “TAXES!”.

    I’ve tried telling them that Republicans will ultimately raise your taxes more (DEFICIT!), but it’s a brick wall.

  86. 86.

    flukebucket

    @Cmm: I don’t watch enough FOX News to be able to answer that question. Last night my wife and I were watching the coverage of the hurricane disaster and my wife asked me how I thought FOX was covering it. I told her that they probably weren’t and that they were probably talking about Benghazi. She flipped the channel over to FOX and the fifth word we heard was Benghazi. She looked at me and ask me what in the hell Benghazi was. LOL!

  87. 87.

    flukebucket

    @Paul in KY:

    Pres. Clinton’s biggest mess-up: He didn’t work enough to set up VP Gore to succeed him.

    I have always thought that Gore tried to distance himself from Clinton during that time because of the blow job issue.

  88. 88.

    Grumpy Code Monkey

    So what is the Democratic bench for 2016? I personally do not believe either Hills or Biden will be running, so who will that leave? Who are the younger Democratic Governors/Congresscritters who could be groomed over the next 4 years to run after Obama?

  89. 89.

    muddy

    @flukebucket: Ayup, he gave Clinton the stiff-arm. Picking Lieberman was the Olympic stiff-arm. Pretty stupid considering that Clinton’s ratings were so high despite the BJ. Thanks Al!

  90. 90.

    1badbaba3

    Is no one curious as to why Mama Cole won’t reveal her vote? Would it not be irresponsible not to speculate?

    @Yutsano: He could do worse. Oy.

  91. 91.

    muddy

    I’m sure she won’t reveal because one or the other will not be happy. I bet she voted Obama, because who wants to be on the outs with a spouse, and besides she has shown herself happy to give John shit.

  92. 92.

    aimai

    @redshirt:

    Explain to them about “Fees”–the Obama campaign has a good ad up about the fees Romney used to close the gap caused by his cutting taxes–its pretty astonishing. Now a lot of people like the idea of fees because they see them as hitting other people–after all a fee assessed on funerals only hits dead people, and we aren’t dead yet. And a fee assessed on barber shops only affects people who get their hair cut etc…etc…etc… But when you see what Romney put fees on its still pretty jaw dropping. And it enabled one of the biggest lies of his advertisements and his debate performance–which is that he created a scholarship that let MA college students of merit go to school “tuition free.” The thing is that the tuition was held frozen at a moderately low price but since they wouldn’t tax the taxpayers to actually pay for public higher ed in the U mass system they loaded on fees which the scholarship kids didn’t get covered. And the fees, as I understand it, mounted up into thousands of dollars more than outweighing the tuition break.

    The right wing has become so crazy that they are incapable of seeing what their tax money goes for, or grasping who gets taxed and in what ways, sometimes you can have some success by going back to basics and explainin gabout why, in a modern urban industrialized society, we choose to club together and pay for streets, water, regulation, police, firemen, etc… all together, on a sliding scale–because its more efficient. If you aren’t planning on paying a private fee for everything (water, police, fire, toll roads, etc…) then think twice about letting romney style republicans pick your pocket with fees while pretending to lower your taxes.
    aimai

  93. 93.

    blingee

    Admit it Cole, you voted for Johnson. I know you did. Any so called ‘former’ Republican who talks about how great they think Greenwald and Christie are, are probably pathological enough to do such a thing.

  94. 94.

    one two seven

    @Grumpy Code Monkey:

    The ones I see as likely in the event Hillary doesnt run (though I think its about 75/25 that she will):

    Hickenlooper (CO)
    O’Malley (MD)
    Cuomo (NY – please, no)
    Warner (VA)
    Schweitzer (MT)
    Gillibrand (NY)
    Klobuchar (MN)

  95. 95.

    Joel

    @Haydnseek: I don’t know. Watching the Heat destroy my Celtics this week (the game was not as close as the score), they look unbeatable. Wade could get hurt, I guess.

  97. 97.

    Paul in KY

    @flukebucket: Not having the ‘blow job issue’ would have helped. You can lump all that stuff into the ‘didn’t try hard enough’ bucket (IMO).

  98. 98.

    Paul in KY

    @muddy: He gave Pres. Clinton the stiff arm, due to the stupid personal decisions Pres. Clinton made (which falls under the ‘didn’t try hard enough’ charge I laid on him).

    Not having that kind of scandal is part of the setting up process (IMO).

  99. 99.

    muddy

    @Paul in KY: Okay fine, Clinton “started it”. But he still had very high poll numbers, it was clear that people did not care that much about it, so why try so hard to distance himself? The only ones that gave a shit were Republicans who would not have voted for Gore anyway. I always wondered if it was Tipper (of burning rock albums fame) that pressed for it behind the scenes.

    Or maybe Al had a BJ story that he was afraid would come out, who knows. Picking Lieberman, the first Democrat to go against Clinton in the Senate, was just damned silly and pandering, and I don’t care what Clinton did first.

  101. 101.

    Leeds man

    I have that kind of deep down tired that shitty and changing weather brings on

    I know the feeling. Drag your sorry arse to the stationary bike and suffer for 30 minutes. Your future (i.e. 30 minutes later) self will thank you. Half an hour of horrible for a much nicer rest-of-day is a small price.

  102. 102.

    Paul in KY

    @muddy: I’m thinking because he was taking a whupping from the chattering class. Obviously, they couldn’t have harped on that failing & trying to tie VP Gore to it, if it hadn’t occurred.

    Also, Pres. Big Dog wasn’t running, it was VP Gore & his poll numbers weren’t as good as Clinton’s.

    Pres. Clinton (IMO) didn’t cross his i’s and dot his t’s when it came to setting up the next Democratic candidate (in this case his VP) for his run.

    I am pretty sure that if Pres. Obama is re-elected, he will not make those kind of errors (doing something messed up that ends up reflecting in a negative way on his potential successor).

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