Steve M. does his usual admirable job of deconstructing the idiocy of Peggy Noonan:
On her Wall Street Journal blog, Peggy Noonan says Fie on your silly polling averages! — she has a hunch Mitt Romney’s going to win the election:
I think he’s stealing in “like a thief with good tools,” in Walker Percy’s old words.
This are odd words to quote in reference to Mitt Romney, because when Walker Percy — a devout Catholic — use them in reference to his own writing, the thief he was referring to was God.
The thing to remember about Peggy Noonan, and many others like her, is that her idiotic opinions are force-fed to the public via television and the Wall Street Journal opinion page. People don’t like it when I say this, but broadcasting the rantings of Nooners isn’t that different from what goes on in North Korea.
barry
WSJ editorial page cheered both the rise of the Taliban in 1994 and GW Bush in 2000.
BruceFromOhio
I thought your comparison was not only timely, but eerily accurate.
Mike G
If you go read the (North) Korean Central News Agency website, it’s really not that much more turgid than Fox News.
They both idol-worship a dead quasi-diety (Kim Il Sung, Ronald Reagan), follow an authoritarian ideology that distrusts knowledge and inquiry and demands obedience and conformity; and live in a bubble of ideological fantasies that are mind-bogglingly stupid to the rest of the world.
Raven
Brokaw has been a schmuck most of this campaign but I agree when he told Krystal Ball that the idea that this campaign is any worse than any other is the product of short memories.
Yutsano
Nice of Nooners to admit the only way they can win is by cheating.
Robin G.
Only somewhat OT, given that it’s about the MSM getting comeuppance: Chris Kluwe, Vikings punter and gay marriage supporter, decimated the Saint Paul Pioneer Press today. That’s how it’s done, God bless him.
anibundel
My brain hurts.
Chyron HR
Right, this sketch has gotten far too silly, stop it right now.
Lit3Bolt
DougJ, does this mean you might hold Bill Clinton and Democrats the slightest bit accountable for telecom deregulation? Because that’s what you’re ranting against.
Jill
And if Peggy Noonan is proven wrong tomorrow she is totally disqualified as a columnist, right?
KG
they don’t have anything other than hunches… the evidence is completely against what they want to believe. if this were a jury, the verdict would be thrown out.
If the Rueters/Ipso polls of Colorado, Virginia, Florida, and Ohio are accurate with respect to early voting results, the election will be over by 10 pm Eastern, and it’ll be 4 more years.
Violet
Like a faded starlet, Peggy Noonan lives on only via the indulgence of
directorseditors.SFAW
Maybe. But she does have better hair than Kim Jong-il did. (Although his would have been much better suited to CBGB’s and other clubs of that era. Hers, not so much.)
LanceThruster
I would hope that most North Koreans realize they are being spoonfed codswallop. I have no such illusions regarding US media consumers.
West of the Rockies (formerly Frank W.)
Somehow I’m guessing we shouldn’t be holding our collective breath for a mea culpa piece from her once Obama wins on Tuesday. Nah, she and Dick Morris and countless others will keep grinning and collecting a fat, undeserved paycheck.
Edward_75
Only ONE! DAY! LEFT! until President-Elect Romney!
NotMax
Shorter Noonan (with apologies to Nora Desmond):
I’m still big. It’s the politicians who got small.
HRA
OT and I apologize.
Does this kitty look familiar?
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150373983593605&set=a.337549553604.151419.337541338604&type=1&theater
Schlemizel
OT but kinda important:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/true-vote-intimidating-minority-voters-polls/story?id=17618823
from ABC news a story about voter suppression, the handy work of “Screw the Vote”
Is True the Vote Intimidating Minority Voters From Going to the Polls?
Keith
What was her gut telling her this time of year back in 2008?
Edward_75
@Schlemizel:
Yup yup. True the Vote is out and IN FORCE especially in Ohio and Virginia. No funny business from Obambi this time, especially with ACORN castrated.
Judas Escargot, Bringer of Loaves and Fish Sandwiches
Peggy, like the Wall Street assholes, has been told that The Fix is In.
Let them try.
Some of us are ready for war.
Chyron HR
Only TWO! DAYS! LEFT! until Mountain Meadows Massacre 2: The Mittening!
SFAW
@Edward_75:
Oh boy, look who has graced us with his presence.
Metrosexual Manichean Monster DougJ
@SFAW:
And cheaper taste in booze, most likely.
Edward_75
@Judas Escargot, Bringer of Loaves and Fish Sandwiches:
Yup. The fix is in. Word is that Ohio is a fait accompli for the GOP.
FlipYrWhig
OK, is this seriously in the piece? Via TPM: Peggy Noonan predicts a Romney win: “All the vibrations are right.”
Dude, that’s gross.
MikeJ
BTW, if you don’t read pppolls twitter feed, you’re missing the hilarity of the hate tweets they repost.
Suffern ACE
@Jill: And that there is the problem. It’s the reason I’m voting tomorrow and then tuning out election night for the first since I was a wee lad. (Ok, 1984). I can’t watch the same parade of people on the TV. I don’t want to see Tom, or Cokie, or Luntz, or Pat Caddel, or Mary & James, or David Gergen, or Chuck Todd, or Sam Donaldson or George Will, or Mark Shields, or Tom Lerher, or David Brooks, or Kathleen Parker, or David Gregory, or Dick Morris r David Schoen, or Mark Penn. Or John McLaughlin or Elanor Clift. Or Dan Rather, Ted Koppel, or any of the young whippersnappers who the above things would impress the youth of today.
El Cid
I’d like to see True the Vote turnout in force in some of the hard core African American areas of downtown / Southeast and Southwest Atlanta.
C’mon, be manly patriots there.
eemom
DougJ, you know I lovez ya, but I really wish you wouldn’t channel that particular piece of Somerby lunacy.
Nothing that goes on in this country is anything remotely like what goes on in North Korea. That is a grossly callous statement, very little different from saying “what went on at Auschwitz.”
PeakVT
Ut-oh. Looks like somebody is home from school…
Full Metal Wingnut
Only *ONE DAY LEFT* until Erection Swallower bleeds out in his bathtub.
schrodinger's cat
[email protected]
The troll trolls again. Mouthing off GOP propaganda. Ban him, please.
El Cid
If you can’t consider someone whose job it was to write flowery propaganda for Republican presidents as an expert analysis on electoral issues, why, who else is there?
SFAW
@Metrosexual Manichean Monster DougJ:
I have to confess, I have no idea what he drank. Blood of virgins? Or 75-year-old Scotch? Or what?
Edward_75
@PeakVT:
Ut-oh. Looks like someone is going to be making empty threats about moving to Canada soon.
The Ancient Randonneur
@FlipYrWhig: She must have a large supply of fresh batteries.
Violet
@HRA: Oh, god, that’s hilarious. If Cole’s missing a pumpkin, we know what happened.
Tonal Crow
My GOD how can it be in AMERICA that RADICAL COMMIE LIB’RAL WHALE-WORSHIPPING, DIRT-EATING, WITCH-SIPPING, LATTE-DRIVING, LIB’RAL LIB’RAL LIB’RAL DEMONRATS like you aren’t SENT to GITMO to ROT with the ATHEIST MUSLIM TERRORISTS that you LOVE??????!?!?!?!?!??!
/typical wingnut
Edward_75
@schrodinger’s cat:
WAAAAH! WAAAH! WAAAH! BAN HIM HE’S SO MEAN FOR TELLING ME MY HERO PIN-UP OBAMBI WILL LOSE! WAAHAAA!
Shut up and take your loss like a man.
Redshift
@Raven: Overall, I agree. However, I do think the character of Romney’s lying is unlike anything we’ve seen in a presidential campaign in my lifetime.
AC
This shit’s math, right?
Tax cuts raise revenue?
SHOW YOUR WORK!
You predict Rmoney will win and the polls are wrong?
SHOW YOUR WORK!
You say we can offset tax cuts by closing loopholes?
SHOW YOUR WORK!
Brachiator
Apart from the misguided hyperbole and sheer inaccuracy, your comparison is spot on.
Full Metal Wingnut
Get ready for Sharia law! Do you have your Muslin name picked out? I’m going with Moo Hamid.
Tonal Crow
@AC: Oh, you must be a TEE-CHER!
/Saint Palin of the Wingnuts
SFAW
@AC:
After the election, remember? Not that it would make any difference – even if they put out something before the election, it would most likely all be bullshit anyway.
Hill Dweller
@PeakVT:
Speaking of home and schooling, the wingnut billionaire brigade is paying home-schooled kids as much as $15 per hour to help with GOTV.
Willard also asked Caribou Barbie to do robo-calls for his campaign.
If you’re calling Sarah Palin for help in the 11th hour of the campaign, you’ve already lost.
FlipYrWhig
@Full Metal Wingnut: Oh, shit, all this time I thought it was KO-rea law. I’ve been practicing Oppa Gangnam Style for nothing.
Xecky Gilchrist
Ed! Slow down. I’m just a lib, I can’t bookmark that fast.
LanceThruster
@Redshift:
To put the theory to the test, imagine it was Obama continually trotting out such whoppers. The press would be apoplectic. And this is the gang that promoted the false meme that Al Gore claimed to invent the internet.
Raven
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Violet
From the Nooners column:
Religious Catholics? As opposed to…non-religious Catholics? WTF? How does crap like this get past whatever editor they’ve got?
Metrosexual Manichean Monster DougJ
@SFAW:
He loved high end scotch.
RareSanity
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@Full Metal Wingnut:
So is Mitt Romney is going to institute Sharia law? Or is Obama going to win?
PeakVT
Now that the troll has admitted that it’s a teenager, would the adults please stop encouraging it?
Full Metal Wingnut
@FlipYrWhig: Tsk tsk. Are you black? You might be eligible from a free Escalade from Obummer. Paid for by the blood sweat and tears of good Christian white folks of course
Bex
@Jill: Nooners also predicted that Clinton wouldn’t win a second term. She’s still employed, unfortunately.
FlipYrWhig
@Violet: I hear Romney is also way ahead with true Scotsmen.
Seanly
I luvs trolls. They must sit around hitting refresh all day long.
blingee
yawn…wtf are you babbling on about now DougJ? Oh noeZZZZ we lost Peggy Noonan. We are doomed.
What is Sully saying? As if that actually mattered too.
SFAW
@Metrosexual Manichean Monster DougJ:
I do, too.
Well, I would, if I could afford it.
danimal
Where do I sign up for the death panels after the election? I like riding in the UN Black Helicopters as much as the next guy, but I get nervous about small arms fire when I ride them. I think we’ll be better off once all the guns are confiscated.
OOPS! I forgot; the secret Obambi agenda is supposed to be embargoed until election day. Carry on.
Arclite
I guess it goes without saying that it’s in extremely poor taste to use the words “stealing” and “thief” in the context of an election.
What an idiot.
Redshift
@Suffern ACE: I have a solution for that. I’m going to be at my county Dems victory party. It’s a huge county, so while we’ll have TVs on projection screens, there will be enough people that we won’t be able to hear a word the bobbleheads are saying until we quiet down for the victory and concession speeches.
Roger Moore
@Robin G.:
That’s a great editorial. It’s just too bad that we live in a society where we get better editorial material from professional athletes than professional journalists.
NotMax
@FlipYrWhig
What time do the polling places close in Kenya and Venezuela?
trollhattan
@Edward_75:
That “Word” does not exist.
FlipYrWhig
@Full Metal Wingnut: No, but I can just pretend to be black to fool the government and get all the free stuff that makes black life so much cushier than white people’s. That’s why I like Obama so much, the limitless opportunity for goodies and fraud sustained by deep-seated incompetence.
Schlemizel
@AC:
“I refuse to prove that
I existany of this works,” saysGodGOP, “for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.”I am waiting for that day when people realize the last 40 years prove the GOP is a faith based operation and reality causes it to disappear in a puff of logic
blingee
@KG: It will be over sooner than that. CNN will call it by 8:30pm. 1 hour after Ohio polls close
Violet
Peggy is not very bright:
Yes, yes, it’s all about yard signs. Pay no attention to GOTV. Yard signs! Yard signs will win us the election!
FlipYrWhig
@NotMax: If you want a vision of the future, imagine a brown arm pulling a metal lever forever.
trollhattan
@Bex:
In what passes for Nooner’s bwaaain, we will all be saved by Zombie Ronaldus Maximus. Everything elase in the meantime is solely for The Little Peoples’ entertainment.
Hill Dweller
“I’ve had a foot in my mouth plenty of times, but it’s always been my own!” – David Axelrod jabbing Dick Morris on the prostitution scandal.(Buzzfeed)
some guy
I won’t really be happy until we get those FEMA Re-education camps up and running, so the trolls will have some place to spend their “free” time in come November 8th.
lacp
Just took a look at an online poll over at philly.com, the Philadelphia Inquirer/Daily News website. It’s currently showing Willard as a 55-44 fave over the President.
If anybody ever wanted to see an example of exactly how worthless online polls are, this is a good one. Results like those would probably be accurate in some parts of Pennsylvania; they sure as shit aren’t in Philadelphia.
Violet
And here’s her slam on Nate Silver and Sam Wang:
Yes, yes, we’re too busy looking at numbers and data. Math is hard! Let’s just feel the polls instead of actually reading them.
FlipYrWhig
@Violet: IIRC Romney gives out yard signs for free, and Obama doesn’t.
NCSteve
Speaking of bizarre things, does anyone know WTF is going on with all these ads telling you to click for the views of “World Teacher Wasabi Hitachi” (or whoever) on the election that are popping up? Or is this just happening to me due to the same halfwitted Google Ads stalker algorithm that thought I was a passionate Romney supporter for several weeks?
Spaghetti Lee
@Violet:
In Florida a few weeks ago I saw Romney signs, not Obama ones. From Ohio I hear the same. From tony Northwest Washington, D.C., I hear the same.
WHYYYYYYYY is this woman considered a respectable journalist when she writes this garbage every week AAAAAAASDFGHJK.
jibeaux
Well, if Peggy Noonan were the only source of information or opinion available to Americans, sure, it would be just like North Korea.
Yes, she is asinine beyond belief, but maybe let’s not turn this into the liberal version of the Congressman who tweeted all the comparisons between himself and the Arab spring?
LAC
@Edward_75: speaking of castration, your mom stil has your gonads in her knitting bag?
Nothing like Peggy noonan’s nanabobs of nuttery to bring out the troll with changing names.
Metrosexual Manichean Monster DougJ
@SFAW:
I like nice scotch but stay away from the crazy expensive stuff.
FlipYrWhig
@Violet: Yes, these days you can’t go anywhere without hearing murmurs about how exciting Mitt Romney is. It’s like the wind whispers “MittRomney.”
NotMax
@Violet
Newsflash for Peggy: Those po’ folk who live in apartments don’t have yard signs out for an obvious reason.
Redshift
@Raven: Fortunately, my lifetime, at least I was old enough to understand presidential races, doesn’t extend quite as far as Nixon, so my statement still stands. Even so — yes, that’s one really really big lie. But did Nixon actually engage in Romney’s level of having virtually everything of significance he said on the campaign trail be an easily disprovable lie? If so, I will stand corrected.
My point was not that Romney’s worse because he lies. It was that the kind of lying he does is different. It’s CEO/advertiser lying, not politician lying.
David Koch
Actually Nooners was worst than this.
yesterday on face the nation she said you can’t judge ohio based on polling, that you have to be there in person to get a “feel” of the situation. Then in the next breath she said the Flordia was going for Romney based on polling.
PreservedKillick
@Spaghetti Lee:
Come on out to Massachusetts, Peggy. You’ll see about as many Romney signs as Obama signs – and more Scott Brown signs than Warren signs.
But how do you think the vote’s going to turn out?
lacp
Maybe she thinks Willard is going to do a final lap through Ohio with a magic dolphin strapped to the roof of his car.
Robin G.
@Violet: To be fair “Lapsed Catholic” is really a denomination all its own.
Bex
@Edward_75:@Violet: All those religious right types must’ve been hitting the bran flakes for the past few days…
FlipYrWhig
@Redshift: Agreed. There’s a huge difference between making a bogus promise you can’t keep and just spewing lies that recirculate like the chocolate fountain at Golden Corral.
jibeaux
@Violet: There are more than a hundred million votes cast in a presidential election, IIRC. It’s just beyond stupid that you could get a feel for which way the wind is blowing in a national freakin’ election without polls. If you’re talking about commissioner of soil & water conservation, sure, Nooners, knock yourself out. Talk to your cabbie.
Cacti
@Violet:
We should ignore the polls because Nate Silver is a homo, and math is for homos.
Pardon me while I turn on the Brawndo to water my lawn.
Violet
And here she is telling the President what he should be doing:
Yes, yes, the calm, centrist talk. That mixed with the blood of Luke Russert and hippie tears is the elixer of the Village.
NCSteve
@Violet: Is it possible that all of this boring, elitist “data” and “empiricism” nonsense has blinded us to the homely, homespun truths conveyed by a series of random anecdotes filtered through my conservative confirmation bias and nightly pitcher of gin?
Alex S.
@Yutsano:
Yes! My first thought as well.
David Koch
PPP: Our final Colorado (Obama +6) and Nevada (Obama +4) polls.
FlipYrWhig
@David Koch: John King was doing that too. There’s an energy in the Romney HQ, evidently. I think it may have been a poltergeist.
sylvan
Best Korea sings songs of VICTORY.
LAC
@PeakVT: It’s either that or beat him with brush. And unfortunately the power to slap the shit out of a home schooled idiot is not yet available online. Besides, when the election is over and called for “Kenyan Usurper”, he will be found in his parent’s rec room passed out after guzzling robotussin. He might slip into a coma and then you are going to regret not reaching out to him on this page to tell him to go fuck himself or DIAF, or put down the crack pipe, or just stop being stupid. :)
Robin G.
@Violet: What DOES a poll feel like? I’m imagining that borax goop we used to play with in elementary schools.
trollhattan
@Robin G.:
Wow, did he ever bring it. Never thought I see the day when the NFL’s manliest man would be a kicker.
jl
@FlipYrWhig:
Noonan:”All the vibrations are right”
Yeah, I saw that too and was afraid to click.
Thanks goodness this will be over (cross you fingers it ain’t too close) by Wednesday morning.
On more substantive and interesting news,
Dark Money Donors Unmasked In California
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/americans_responsible_leadership_donors_revealed.php
and the sleazy GOP money machine behind the big last minute money dump into CA election was unmasked. I hope that makes at least a small difference tomorrow.
Though, the idea of a money dump into CA, rather than out of CA is kind of intriguing. Only wish it was done for good, rather than evile.
RareSanity
@Roger Moore:
Professional athletes…and sports writers. Don’t forget that awesome article over at DeadSpin.
Say what you will about sports (American sports specifically*), it is a no-nonsense, results driven culture. Either you’re getting the job done, or you’re getting outta town.
‘*’ – I say American sports specifically, because I still remember the beer fueled argument I had with a colleague from the U.K., about why American sports fans abhor games ending in ties.
His argument was distinctly British, by saying that, in soccer, if both teams basically played to a stalemate, it doesn’t really makes sense for one of them to “lose”. I told him that, in America — dammit — you win or you lose. We don’t do that “it’s how you played the game” crap. Which, by the way, is pretty distinctly American. In America, we cheer the winners and lambaste the losers…all the way up until we get tired of one particular winner starts, “winning too much”. Then we start to lambaste the winners and root for the underdogs.
It really does mirror our forms of government… parliamentary vs. two-party.
David Koch
yesterday’s face the nation panel was a great example of liburel media bias. it was Nooners, some worm from National Review and Gergen vs one Dem (the bumbling Dee Dee Myers). 3 to 1/2 — that fair and balanced.
KG
@Edward_75: I really hope you are here tomorrow when the results come in. Because, again, if these numbers are right it’s going to be a very bad day to be a Republican.
Look at the numbers…
Virginia – 13% voted early, 54-43 for Obama
Ohio – 38% voted early, 58-38 for Obama
Florida – 52%(!) voted early, 53-43 for Obama
Colorado – 70%(holy shit!) voted early, 56-40 for Obama
Overcoming those numbers is going to take a massive effort.
SatanicPanic
@danimal: I’m opening a matchmaker service for all the men who will be required to marry other men. I think that’s going to be a real growth industry
JPL
@Redshift: The media lack of coverage of the lies is unprecedented. According to poli-fact both sides do it.
Violet
And here Nooners inadvertently sums up the Romney campaign and its relationship with wingnuts:
Romney says some words that sort of sound nice. He doesn’t say what they mean. Wingnuts apply their own wishes and needs to his words. And voila! A metaphor for America!
Roger Moore
@Violet:
Nobody Peggy Noonan knows is voting for Barack Obama, so the election is obviously going to go for Romney.
Redshift
@Violet:
I know they all live in a bubble, but the lack of necessary self-awareness to write a sentence about the significance of seeing Romney signs in an upscale neighborhood is still stunning.
Schlemizel
@Violet:
OH NO, she is right on with this observation.
Why, just last night I was in line at the Salad bar at Applebees and I heard someone mention they were voting Rmoney/rAyn but not a single soul said they were voting for Obama. Then I was playing bridge with all my social friends and they are all voting RnR. That PROVES IT! 538 EV for Rmoney/rAyn & 0 Obama!
Robin G.
@trollhattan: It started when he took it to an MD official over *their* gay marriage stuff. The letter is beautiful to behold. (Side note: Kluwe also plays Warcraft and tweets his thoughts on Ayn Rand while flying to games. I love this guy.)
NotMax
@Redshift
He wasn’t dubbed Tricky Dick for nothing.
The difference is in the scope. Nixon relied on a handful or so of Big Lies. Also too, no 24-hour broadcast news outlets (and obviously no internet) chirping loudly like hungry baby birds for fresh tidbits then.
In gross mass of lies, Romney certainly eclipses RMN, IMHO.
Ben Cisco
@Violet: Maybe he drinks too.
After the GOP gets handed their asses, the Village should be next.
Enhanced Mooching Techniques
Gods, were we as bad in 2004 as Noonan is here? Yard signs and rumors, just pathetic.
LAC
@David Koch: She must be getting her weekly gems from Cokie Roberts while they are braiding each other’s hair,sprinkling hormone replacement sprinkles on their Ben and Jerry ice cream, and waiting for Mara Liasson to show up so that they can play Mystery Date.
I could do without hearing those hens for a while
gbear
@Robin G.: WOW. That is one scorched earth rant. I loves me some Chris Kluwe.
And I know better than to read the comments in the St Paul PiPress…
Full Metal Wingnut
@KG: Is Obama really that far ahead in early voting in Florida? That’s amazing. I thought my state was going red for sure.
Culture of Truth
Peggy Noonan, a few days after the election, 2004:
The Democrats have lost their leader in the Senate, Tom Daschle. I do not know what the Democratic Party spent, in toto, on the 2004 election, but what they seem to have gotten for it is Barack Obama.
Let us savor.
Roger Moore
@RareSanity:
OTOH, America is also the country where somebody said that some days you win, some days you lose, and some days it rains.
Yutsano
@MikeJ: I refuse to do Twitter. Book of Faces is bad enough.
EconWatcher
@KG:
Over at NRO, they’re apparently claiming that the Dems’ lead in early voting just means they’re cannibalizing their election-day votes, and after picking all the low-hanging fruit early, will come up short on election day.
I admit that I did wonder about that when I read about the heavy emphasis on early voting in the Dem drive. In theory, what they’re positing seems possible.
In practice, of course, you’d have to have some data to believe that so few Dems will be left to actually show up on election day that the count would swing all the way back to Mitt. And all of the polling data seems to say otherwise.
Alex S.
@Cacti:
The polls are GAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!!
Hal
This is exactly what many Dems did in 2004. They had “a feeling” that John Kerry was going to run because no one they knew liked Bush.
Brachiator
@Redshift:
No.
Romney Style non-stop lying is a new political low. Until the next time.
jibeaux
@Redshift: in an upscale neighborhood of a district with 3 electoral votes that probably hasn’t voted Republican in the living memory of anyone currently alive.
Chris
@Mike G:
And nationalism. Lots and lots of nationalism. Our country right or wrong, America/Korea uber alles, all that shit. All pretense to the contrary notwithstanding, the GOP and Korean Workers Party seem to have at least as much in common with simple fascism as they do with Marxism-Leninism or free-market conservatism.
the Conster
@PreservedKillick:
I can honestly say that in my drives through the Metrowest suburbs the past few weeks, I can count the number of Romney yard signs I’ve seen on two hands, and Warren signs vastly outnumber Brown’s. You must live further north.
Cacti
@Redshift:
Not just an upscale neighborhood, an upscale DC neighborhood.
Mittens will be lucky if he hits 10% of the vote in DC.
Culture of Truth
But smartest, that does makes sense, doesn’t it?
Robin G.
@gbear: God no. It’s a cesspool. I pray daily that Chris Hewitt will jump ship to some other paper, but he hasn’t, and he’s the only movie reviewer I trust.
The PiPress wasn’t so bad 10 years ago, IIRC. Didn’t they have an ownership change or something?
Chris
@Tonal Crow:
Whale worshipping?
Was?
Raven
@Redshift: He extended well beyond any campaign with he deceit but it really doesn’t matter, your point is well taken,
Culture of Truth
From tony Northwest Washington, D.C., I hear the same.
Everyone I know named Tony is voting for Obama.
Violet
@Redshift: Nooners is the very definition of an insulated Villager. She just doesn’t have a clue how The Help lives.
gbear
@danimal: Does our troll realize the incredible string of addresses that he’s leaving for us to hunt him down and send him to his designated re-eductaion camp?
kay
Embarrassing day for the WSJ:
The WSJ has promoted the voter impersonation fraud myth more effectively than any other media outlet because they have a veneer of credibility. John Fund is one of the top voter fraud grifters, and he started at that paper and is currently promoted by that paper.
Other media people refer to Fund as a “journalist”, so I have to assume they approve of his promoting this complete fucking lie for ten years (with the help of the WSJ and Fox News). They’re all on board for this “journalist” making shit up.
Just disgusting. I don’t know how they live with themselves.
Flukebucket
@Redshift:
I have kept up pretty closely with politics since 1976 and I have never in my life seen a Presidential candidate lie like the current Republican nominee. I once made the mistake of saying that it had made me think less of Mormons and that is not true. It has made me think less of the Mormon religion though. It just seems to me that the elders of that church would call Mitt in and say, “Damn man. Tone it down a little bit!”
Brachiator
@LAC:
Good one. Nooners and Cokie also reminds me of the mean girls of Sugar Rush in the new, immensely enjoyable Disney film, Wreck-it Ralph.
Redshift
@EconWatcher: Undoubtedly some of the votes are ones that would have been cast on election day (like mine.) But combined with the massive effort to contact less-frequent voters, it’s whistling past the graveyard to believe that’s all of it. (And even more so if you consider that they’re ignoring the infrequent GOP voters they failed to get out to vote early.)
JustRuss
@Violet: It’s quite simple: Religious Catholics are conservative. Liberal Catholics, like all liberals, are atheists. Or Muslims. Or both (see Obama, Barack).
JPL
@Hal: nope.. early voting polls showed a Kerry victory. Why do I remember, because I was devastated after he lost. This election looks good but it’s not over til it’s over.
Schlemizel
@Robin G.:
I grew up reading the PPD and they were horrible papers then. It was a revelation when I first started getting the Minneapolis Star and the Tribune (I had a 2 paper per day habit back then).
That they have gottne worse is no surprise as even the quality papers are in a race to the bottom, The StarTrib is unreadable now.
Flukebucket
@Chris:
Outlaw Jersey Whale?
Baron Jrod of Keeblershire
Yes, and those tools would be John Husted and Tagg’s voting machines.
Seriously Nooners? I know you’re fucking crazy, but to say that Romney is like a thief with good tools when Republicans are obviously working to steal the election? Since when is Peggy so honest?
Culture of Truth
Does Volve make a “Latte” ?
some guy
The GOTV/Early Vote effort in Florida was directed (predominantly in my town) at infrequent voters, so probably a pretty low percentage of E-day voters were cannibalized.
KG
@Full Metal Wingnut: that’s what the Rueters/Ipso poll has been showing for the last 3-4 days, fairly consistently. I don’t know if this is as accurate as exit polling, but I find it very interesting.
@EconWatcher: an interesting theory, but I think what matters is that you GOTV however you can. If it means early voting, great; absentee, fine; election day, go go go. And personally, I’d rather have a big lead in early voting going in then to be behind. To use a baseball analogy, it’s like being up 5-0 in the seventh inning, that doesn’t mean you’re going to win, but it makes it a metric shitton more likely that you will.
MikeJ
@Yutsano:
I don’t do the book of faces, and I don’t have a twitter account (the last thing I want is something else to be logged into, constantly sending telemetry on what websites I visit back to the mothership). I do read a few people on twitter now and then though.
LD50
You do have to give Noonan credit for one thing tho — not everyone can parlay a lifetime of unresolved daddy issues into such an easy yet lucrative career.
geg6
@El Cid:
Yup. Hell, I’d love to see them turn out in force in small town Beaver Falls or Aliquippa. And try to intimidate any of the minority voters there.
Ah, the hilarity! Yes, there would be blood and tears. But only for fat, pasty old men on hoverounds.
GxB
@Spaghetti Lee:
Are you kidding? It’s a prerequisite to get a gig (in America) these days. I share your pain though – but the wingnut welfare gravy train has to run out of coal someday. Pity we’ll just have a flooded, spent wasteland left to try to rebuild from.
Schlemizel
@gbear:
You joke, but, me personally? I think we have run this whole democracy thing into the ground and over the last 4 years have decided that reeducation camps are too good for most of these people. I am currently in favor of specially created voting booths for the next election. You step in and close the door. If you select a wingnut candidate the floor opens beneath you and you fall into a large whirling meat grinder.
Not only would it reduce the population of the US by about 25% it would be the dumbest 25% so a win all around.
Roger Moore
@KG:
I think their numbers are breaking down at the edges with the advance voting, or at least that their likely voter screen is flawed. The clearest example is that they report that 676 of 974 voters in Colorado pass their likely voter screen (69.4%) but that 70% of the people interviewed have already voted. That means some people they’re screening out with their likely voter screen are self reporting as already having voted. That means their likely voter screen is probably too strict, which is a good sign for Obama and the Democrats generally, since they almost always do better with registered voters than likely voters.
Patricia Kayden
@Keith: I recalled watching her on MSNBC when Palin was announced as McCain’s VP. She looked genuinely shocked. Of course, she came around to supporting them. I’m sure she’s intelligent enough to have figured out that Palin was an idiot and extremely unqualified.
This whole “polls don’t matter” meme is reckless. What will she say tomorrow at midnight when President Obama has been re-elected.
Schlemizel
@Patricia Kayden:
Wasn’t she was caught saying the Palin pick doomed the campaign because she thought they had gone to commercial?
Of course she had a different story when she was back live. I would have thought that hurt her career but no
MikeJ
@Patricia Kayden:
Black Panthers. ACORN.
Roger Moore
@EconWatcher:
They’re just whistling Dixie (in more ways than one). One of the major goals of the Democratic GOTV effort has been to get unlikely voters to vote early. There are still plenty of Democrats left who are going to turn out on Election Day.
Hill Dweller
I got 99 problems but Mitt ain’t one…
Paul
Peggy Noonan? She is the same person who wrote this garbage on March 24, 2003:
“Iraq’s liberation will be the biggest good thing to happen since 9/11…The American president has, meanwhile, demonstrated to the entire world that he is neither a bombastic naïf nor a reckless cowboy but, in fact, another kind of American stereotype: the steely-eyed rocket man”.
She has no credibility. I could care less what she has to say about the election.
gbear
@some guy: I should have scrolled down before posting comment 138. Both thinking the same thing. It must be true.
LanceThruster
@Patricia Kayden:
For myself…I’m not so sure.
rlrr
@MikeJ:
Sandy.
geg6
@Violet:
I’ve been saying this for weeks. The only sign of any sort of GOTV on the ground here in Western PA is fucking yard signs. Meanwhile, hundreds of OFA volunteers have knocked on pretty much every single Dem or lean-Dem door in the tri-state (PA, OH, WV) area. And I, myself, have been getting phone calls from OFA phone bankers in Oregon and Georgia.
But yard signs will win the day!
JPL
@Patricia Kayden: She was hilarious when she thought the mike was off. She is paid for being a good repub and that is all.
schrodinger's cat
@LD50: You forgot MoDo.
EconWatcher
@Roger Moore:
Damn right. I’m one of them (Virginia does not liberally allow early voting).
FlipYrWhig
@LD50: You have met Maureen Dowd, yes?
Edward_75
@KG:
I’ll be right here. Guess what? Idiots like you were trumpeting the 2004 exit polls, and Kerry got CRUSHED. Early vote numbers for Obama are what the exit polls were for Kerry…I can’t wait to rub your nose in the stinking shit of the Obambi presidency–the first incumbent president to lose an election in twenty years…my GOD this will be so sweeeet!
Redshift
@Raven: I am extremely grateful that we’re not going to find out whether Romney would more dishonest in office than Nixon.
Emma
@Robin G.: That was the ass-kicking of a lifetime. Wow.
lamh35
”I Got 99 Problems and Mitt ain’t 1″!!!
“If Jeezy’s paying LeBron, I’m paying Nate Silver” — Jay Z
Jay Z at a rally for POTUS right now in Columbus, OH.
Otterbee
People don’t like it when you say that because it’s dumb and doesn’t make any sense
Schlemizel
See thats why reeducation camps are too good for them 8-{D
geg6
@David Koch:
Rich Lowry! The guy who La Palin sent starbursts to through his teevee! Why anyone would take this man seriously after that admission to how he masturbates during political season is a mystery to me.
gbear
@FlipYrWhig:
You might say the Romney campaign is breaking wind…
West of the Rockies (formerly Frank W.)
@Edward_75: You’re like a child who hides his face behind his hands and thinks he won’t be seen. Changing your name doesn’t hide your idiocy.
me
Needs more categories.
Full Metal Wingnut
@Edward_75: In what parallel universe was Kerry crushed? It was a landslide compared to 2000, but it was still ridiculously close.
Ash Can
Poor Peggy. Now see, boys and girls? This is what happens to your brain when you guzzle cheap vodka for breakfast.
Humanities Grad
@JPL:
I do believe there are a couple of major differences between 2004 and 2012, though.
First, the 2004 election day results weren’t “early voting polls,” they were exit polls. I believe “early voting” as it exists now was virtually nonexistent in 2004. Exit polls are a different animal, and considered to be less reliable.
Second, IIRC, national polling data in 2004 was pretty clearly showing that Bush was ahead of Kerry–at least where it mattered. Yes, it was clear that if Kerry could swing either Ohio or Florida, he’d win, but he was an underdog (if not a prohibitive one) in both going into election day. This year it appears that Obama is a significant favorite in Ohio, and also in enough other swing states that it’d take something really strange happening for Romney to win.
Tony J
@Culture of Truth:
Well I would, but there’s that whole “Being English” thing that always gets in the way.
Maybe when Obama ushers in the UN Global Government the wingnuts have been promising for decades I’ll get to vote for him as Supreme Chairperson. Would that do?
Keith G
What people? When?
Seems to me, you and Peggs have a bit in common.
beltane
I’m in a sage blue state but I have noticed far fewer Romney signs than there were McCain signs 4 years ago. Maybe they’re embarrassed.
trollhattan
@kay:
Fund and some other Republian douche I don’t know were on Maher a couple of weeks back and were in full shouty mode, to the point of going after Taibbi for having the nerve, THE NERVE to say unkind things about Jamie Dimon and his felonous cohorts. Fund usually keeps himself composed in enemy territury but not this time.
And I think they actually believe their own shit.
Chyron HR
@Edward_75:
Do the holy Mormon scriptures command you to be a coprophiliac, or is that your own nauseating spin on Joseph Smith’s teachings?
trollhattan
@trollhattan:
Jeez, nice spelling…not, and no edit button in sight. [mutter, mutter]
JPL
@Humanities Grad: Thanks for the correction.
Matthew Reid Krell
@Edward_75: Keep in mind that True the Vote is pretty explicitly a 42 U.S.C. 1985 violation. So please, continue enjoying your special time with that Rhode Island Red.
Culture of Truth
@Tony J: capital idea old chap
trollhattan
@Edward_75:
Am sure a special banhammer suspension is available JUST FOR YOU for 24 hours of crow consumption, Wednesday, should you be man enough to pull up a chair at the Applebee’s Crow Bar. [heh, he said…]
You aren’t; you won’t.
Patricia Kayden
@Paul: She wrote that?
One thing I can say for people like Charles Johnson, Andrew Sullivan and John Cole is that while they may have been on the wrong side for many years, they graciously came over to the good side and admit their past errors.
People like Noonan will unapologetically go down telling lies, never admitting that they were wrong.
TerryC
@Full Metal Wingnut: I’m Tarik Khaldun.
hueyplong
Noonan had a column due today. She had to write something, and analysis of the polling numbers wasn’t exactly in her self interest.
So she untarded a few of Edward_75’s lines, lost the bold print and caps lock FUBARs, et voila, something that was well within the margin of Chardonnay error.
Another day’s work done.
Bitter Scribe
@Edward_75: You guys sure do a lot of gloating over things that haven’t happened.
Another Halocene Human
@Violet: Democrats GOTV, Republicans steal yard signs.
Step 1: Steal Yard Signs
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Sell more yard signs to looney libs. They never learn!
Cacti
@Roger Moore:
This comes from the same school of logic as “votes from high-school educated white males count the most”.
Votes is votes. But understanding that means understanding arithmetic, and math is gay.
Chasseur
if he wins it’s more likely he’s a tool with good thieves.
Chyron HR
@Bitter Scribe:
It’s not like he’ll be able to gloat after the election. So when is he supposed to gloat, huh?
Another Halocene Human
@FlipYrWhig: I’m pretty sure that’s after you sign the contract in blood.
There were plenty of free signs passing around our Dem haunts, not always exactly when people wanted them, but they showed up, free bumperstickers, too, but months ago the local R’s would not even give up so much as an Aquafresh window sticker.
28 Percent
So she noticed that yard signs in Palm Springs and Boca Raton trend Republican and she has a sense that the Religious Right, who were always going to turn out and always going to vote for Romney and nobody in their right minds ever thought that they wouldn’t turn out and vote for Romney, that after having six months to get used to the idea they’ve come around to the point that they won’t be holding their noses while they do it… (they’ve come all the way from “not actively hostile” to “just past lukewarm” – momentum!)
What about the cabbies? Isn’t anybody interviewing cabbies anymore? How do we really get to Nobody Knows Anything if we don’t know what Nooner’s driver thinks about the election?
Tod Kelly
“broadcasting the rantings of Nooners isn’t that different from what goes in North Korea.”
Doug:
???
So allowing people to write or say stupid shit in the media – even something as stupid as what Noonan said there – is us being just like North Korea, and… I’m extrapolating in the dark here, so apologies if I’m off… screening people to decide who is and isn’t allowed to write or say stupid shit in the media, that would be the opposite of North Korea.
I’m misreading this, yes?
Another Halocene Human
@Enhanced Mooching Techniques: Joy Reid on UP on Sunday said they were comparing ground games, and the GOP’s wasn’t visible to them. (And I’m sorry to say I didn’t do shit, although I did register and show up to vote.)
I dunno, I guess I was less surprised because incumbents tend to have an advantage and the recession seemed to be over?
Then all of a sudden in 2006, nooooobody voted for W. Right.
Another Halocene Human
@Chasseur: if he wins it’s more likely he’s a tool with good thieves.
+1
Tod Kelly
@Chasseur:
fucking awesome
Another Halocene Human
@Culture of Truth: I thought you were snarking, but Google finally yielded it up on WSJ.com. Wow. She gets paid for that rambling, disjointed insanity.
Whatever you do, don’t savor.
LAC
@Edward_75: Of course you will be right here…your village idiot shift hasn’t ended yet and your Dad is running late.
Death Panel Truck
@Paul:
Fixed.