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You are here: Home / Politics / Politicans / David Brooks Giving A Seminar At The Aspen Institute / Star power, star power, star power over me

Star power, star power, star power over me

by DougJ|  November 20, 20121:11 am| 80 Comments

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It’s a great time to be a conservative (via):

.. in 2016, we are likely to see Republicans such as Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.), New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and Rep. Paul Ryan (Wis.) — all of whom have significantly more star power than Romney — make the race.

And:

If you listened to the Republican candidates this year, you heard a conventional set of arguments. But if you go online, you can find a vibrant and increasingly influential center-right conversation.

[…]

Soft Libertarians. Some of the most influential bloggers on the right, like Tyler Cowen, Alex Tabarrok and Megan McArdle, start from broadly libertarian premises but do not apply them in a doctrinaire way.

[…]

Burkean Revivalists. This group includes young conservatives whose intellectual roots go back to the organic vision of society described best by Edmund Burke but who are still deeply enmeshed in current policy debates.

[…]

Since Nov. 6, the G.O.P. has experienced an epidemic of open-mindedness.

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  1. 1.

    Horatius

    November 20, 2012 at 1:13 am

    David Brooks is a turd-burglar.

  2. 2.

    Jay in Oregon

    November 20, 2012 at 1:14 am

    Since Nov. 6, the G.O.P. has experienced an epidemic of open-mindedness.

    What.

    In.

    The HELL.

    Has he been smoking?

  3. 3.

    arguingwithsignposts

    November 20, 2012 at 1:15 am

    He’s just trolling you, DougJ

  4. 4.

    Jay in Oregon

    November 20, 2012 at 1:17 am

    @arguingwithsignposts:
    I’m with you. There’s no way anyone who watched the epic post-election freakout can seriously imagine that the GOP has suddenly found its moderate side.

  5. 5.

    Steeplejack

    November 20, 2012 at 1:17 am

    “Burkean revivalists”? I just threw up in my mouth a little. I’m going to bed. I’ll deal with this in the morning.

  6. 6.

    arguingwithsignposts

    November 20, 2012 at 1:19 am

    Also, this:

    Some of the most influential bloggers on the right, like Tyler Cowen, Alex Tabarrok and Megan McArdle

    was a tell.

  7. 7.

    Watership

    November 20, 2012 at 1:21 am

    Holy. Crap.

  8. 8.

    wasabi gasp

    November 20, 2012 at 1:21 am

    Call the doctor.

  9. 9.

    Anonymous

    November 20, 2012 at 1:22 am

    When I think Bobby Jindal, “star power” is the first thing that comes to mind.

  10. 10.

    Yutsano

    November 20, 2012 at 1:25 am

    STARBURSTS!! Or maybe BoBo is ready to reveal the Senator who felt him up.

  11. 11.

    pseudonymous in nc

    November 20, 2012 at 1:26 am

    As Atrios just noted, the Village (wired for Republicans) is always declaring GOP stars in the making.

  12. 12.

    eclare

    November 20, 2012 at 1:26 am

    @Anonymous: Ha! Yes….

  13. 13.

    pseudonymous in nc

    November 20, 2012 at 1:29 am

    Some of the most influential bloggers on the right, like Tyler Cowen, Alex Tabarrok and Megan McArdle, start from broadly libertarian premises but do not apply them in a doctrinaire way.

    I never knew that “doctrinaire” was a synonym for “vaguely coherent”.

  14. 14.

    Morbo

    November 20, 2012 at 1:29 am

    Meteor, please.

  15. 15.

    jze

    November 20, 2012 at 1:29 am

    guh, still not over thurston and kim divorcing

  16. 16.

    amk

    November 20, 2012 at 1:36 am

    old garbage out, new garbage in. Spin it however you like, bobo, the thugs base is capped at that now-proverbial 47%.

  17. 17.

    MikeJ

    November 20, 2012 at 1:36 am

    @jze: You mind went where mine did. Don’t you remember, you told me you loved me baby?

  18. 18.

    jl

    November 20, 2012 at 1:37 am

    Cowen and McArdle do use non doctrinaire logic, I’ll give Brooks that.

    Might be coinkydink, but the Brooks examples of Burkean Revivalists make no sense at all, and strangely resemble complete gibberish. As far as I can tell, his examples of brave Burkean Revivalists advocating for an ‘organic’ society are a debt hawk humbug and a Jack Kemp retread. And, best of all, some lawyer who wants to base jurisprudence on ‘modesty’ whatever that means. Bloomers on piano lege and side saddles for the ladies should be viewed favorably by judges, in their modest robes, or what?

  19. 19.

    The prophet Nostradumbass

    November 20, 2012 at 1:37 am

    Speaking of Manichean monsters, where has Freddie run off to? Is he afraid of something here?

  20. 20.

    Frankensteinbeck

    November 20, 2012 at 1:37 am

    That was hilarious. I keep rereading it and cracking up!

  21. 21.

    MikeJake

    November 20, 2012 at 1:38 am

    Yee-haw! Wake Reverend Bobo, we’s havin’ a Burkean revival!

  22. 22.

    Lev

    November 20, 2012 at 1:39 am

    I was just imagining that Rorschach scene from “The Master” but with David Brooks. Instead of vaginas, every picture would make him think of moderate conservatives.

  23. 23.

    mdblanche

    November 20, 2012 at 1:39 am

    Since Nov. 6, the G.O.P. has experienced an epidemic of open-mindedness.

    Only a conservative would compare open-mindedness to a disease.

  24. 24.

    Vasya

    November 20, 2012 at 1:40 am

    From what I understand of Burke, most of his ideals are much closer to the ideals of whom we call liberals or even socialists today – the ideas of community being more important than the individual, that promoting personal liberty over the good of the whole has to be done with care. His was a reaction to the Liberal ideas of the day, which are now generally espoused and perverted by Libertarians.

    My point is – Burkean; they keep using that word. I am not sure it means what they think it means.

  25. 25.

    jl

    November 20, 2012 at 1:43 am

    @pseudonymous in nc:

    “vaguely coherent”?

    I think both are usually very precisely incoherent.

    And Cowen is a fancy econ perfesser at a fancy kollej. But Gawd all mighty… the howlers… the howlers…

    Edit: oops, I misread your comment. I mumble vaguely coherent apologies.

  26. 26.

    Warren Terra

    November 20, 2012 at 1:49 am

    Soft Libertarians … start from broadly libertarian premises but do not apply them in a doctrinaire way.

    I’m fairly sure this translates to “toe the party line, and try to sell it to the rubes using libertarian memes”

    Burkean Revivalists. This group includes young conservatives whose intellectual roots go back to the organic vision of society described best by Edmund Burke but who are still deeply enmeshed in current policy debates.

    I’m fairly sure this doesn’t translate into anything meaningful at all.

  27. 27.

    ? Martin

    November 20, 2012 at 1:51 am

    Eh. There’s been some isolated outbreaks of marginal sanity that I’ve seen. Maybe there’s more that’s gone unseen, who’s to say. But it’s easy to push a contrarian line after a loss. Harder to get that line to take hold. Let’s see if the GOP adopts any alternate policy here.

    But talk is cheap. Lets see if any votes show up.

  28. 28.

    Yutsano

    November 20, 2012 at 1:56 am

    PS: any side bets on how long it takes AL to kill DougJ for stomping on her post?

  29. 29.

    Redshift

    November 20, 2012 at 2:03 am

    all of whom have significantly more star power than Romney

    I believe this is known in the real world as a “world’s tallest, er, little person contest.”

  30. 30.

    Alison

    November 20, 2012 at 2:10 am

    Good lord, the fact that this human compost pile has a job – a probably obscenely well-paid one – makes our unemployment rate even more depressing.

    The NYT’s money would be put to better use if they wiped their asses with it.

  31. 31.

    jze

    November 20, 2012 at 2:13 am

    @MikeJ:
    Hello 2015!

    Skip tracer by sonic youth might be the best explanation of the upcoming republican primary in song form.

  32. 32.

    Spaghetti Lee

    November 20, 2012 at 2:14 am

    Paul Ryan? You mean the guy who lost? I can’t remember-were they writing odes to Jack Kemp after election day ’96? The Village really, really wants to sell us on Paul Ryan.

  33. 33.

    Petorado

    November 20, 2012 at 2:14 am

    Brooks really polished that turd to a high luster. But all the name dropping of semi obscure conservatives and rebranding with trendy sounding labels still won’t get past the fact that it’s all window dressing to hide that these guys don’t like the rest of us and could care less if any problem that hamper our lives ever get solved. Conservatives have no new ideas, only newer packaging to sell the same old crap, such as Burkean revivalism.

  34. 34.

    Yutsano

    November 20, 2012 at 2:18 am

    @Alison: Line the birdcages with BoBo’s face prominently displayed. I wouldn’t bother to wrap fish in it.

  35. 35.

    Alison

    November 20, 2012 at 2:21 am

    @Yutsano: We do have parakeets…

  36. 36.

    James E. Powell

    November 20, 2012 at 2:21 am

    What about the Oakeshottians? Are they no longer ascendant?

  37. 37.

    TheMightyTrowel

    November 20, 2012 at 2:22 am

    I think DougJ must have inadvertently felt up David Brooks at the NY meet up for him to engage in this sort of blatant trolling of our esteemed Manichean monster.

  38. 38.

    Spaghetti Lee

    November 20, 2012 at 2:25 am

    @Vasya:

    Yeah, I think he’s kind of been dragged through the mud a bit unfairly. Today’s far right is closer to nihilism than anything, or at to a very aggressive radicalism that was traditionally the province of the left.

    I think it’s a kind of weird phenomenon. To the extent that there’s an intellectual culture on the right, they seem to be at a place where they just want to tear it up-government, the economy, everything-and replace it with a set of rules derived from nutty philosophers (Rand, Mises, etc.) that they claim will make society perfect. There’s not much left about preserving the past, although they still use the rhetoric, because ‘the past’ to them is FDR and union labor and Earl Warren and affirmative action and Studs Terkel. No, they want to create a utopia (a dystopia to the rest of us). That sort of tear-it-all-up thinking used to be associated with the far left, but now righties are adopting the language. I just find it strange.

    The few conservatives I like are guys like Burke. I don’t think he’d have much in common with today’s crowd. At some point, ‘standing athwart history’ became tearing history to shreds and using the remains to strangle anyone who remembers the past.

  39. 39.

    SRW1

    November 20, 2012 at 2:50 am

    Is ‘non doctrinaire’ the new incoherent?

  40. 40.

    different-church-lady

    November 20, 2012 at 2:50 am

    Bears repeating:

    If Nate Silver and Sam Wang screw up, their popularity will suffer as a result, and they’ll have to reconsider their models. Meanwhile, if Brooks, Jordan, Scarborough, Rubin, or Byers make another poor argument, they’ll continue to collect their paychecks as if nothing had happened.

    November 1.

  41. 41.

    different-church-lady

    November 20, 2012 at 2:52 am

    @Alison: Ah, the Norwegian Blue. Lovely plumage…

  42. 42.

    pattonbt

    November 20, 2012 at 2:54 am

    @James E. Powell: Damnit. beat me to it. Though I was going to go with “Oak-shit-teans”.

  43. 43.

    Jewish Steel

    November 20, 2012 at 2:55 am

    @James E. Powell:

    Whither the Hayeks?

    Selma or Fredrich. Take you pick.

  44. 44.

    Cain

    November 20, 2012 at 2:55 am

    Speaking of star power, Anderson Cooper burned some twitter idiot. Here’s a bit of their conversation.

    Then follow the conversation on Reddit

    and watch the male crowd all but throw their underwear at him. Never seen so many men go gay for Cooper. I resisted, until someone suggested Nathan Fillion.. I might go gay for Nathan.

  45. 45.

    Yutsano

    November 20, 2012 at 3:04 am

    @Cain: We might have to fight over that one. :)

  46. 46.

    Splitting Image

    November 20, 2012 at 3:10 am

    Since Nov. 6, the G.O.P. has experienced an epidemic of open-mindedness.

    Which will last approximately until the very second someone wins the next primary, after which he will do as he’s told or the lunatics will rip him to shreds.

  47. 47.

    Shalimar

    November 20, 2012 at 4:13 am

    Since Nov. 6, the G.O.P. has experienced an epidemic of open-mindedness.

    I’m pretty sure they have a vaccine for that, just a matter of how many weeks it takes them to distribute it through the talk radio airwaves.

  48. 48.

    danielx

    November 20, 2012 at 4:47 am

    Why do I get the idea that Brooks is just fucking with people in this array of drivel? I mean, just putting “GOP” and “open-mindedness” in the same sentence is a major contradiction in terms, and Brooks knows very well that “…people with names like Reihan, Ramesh, Yuval and Derek Khanna” are never going to ring a bell with, say, county level Republicans in Georgia. (Odd how the name Dinesh didn’t appear in this roll of furriners who are going to help the GOP crawl out of the fever swamp.)

    Re Cillizza: if there was ever any doubt that Cillizza is full of shit, it was removed – nay, annihilated – by his reference to Mike Pence as a potential Republican star of the future. For those of us from the Hoosier State who know and loathe him, Pence is well known as a wingnut par excellence and is even better known for being so dumb his nickname ought to be Legume. By the time he gets done inciting the electorate to sincere voter’s remorse, he’ll be lucky to elected as shit-picker in Redkey. Ne’er mind, there’s always the Heritage Foundation or failing that maybe he can go to work with Evan Bayh’s lobbying firm.

  49. 49.

    fuckwit

    November 20, 2012 at 5:08 am

    Keep fucking that chicken!

  50. 50.

    Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)

    November 20, 2012 at 5:33 am

    Alternate title:

    We’re gonna find the meaning of feeling good
    and we’re gonna stay there as long as we think we should

  51. 51.

    jonas

    November 20, 2012 at 6:39 am

    If you listened to the Republican candidates this year, you heard a conventional set of arguments a bunch of utter lunacy, which is why they lost.

    FTFY, David.

  52. 52.

    NonyNony

    November 20, 2012 at 6:50 am

    @danielx:

    Why do I get the idea that Brooks is just fucking with people in this array of drivel?

    If I thought this blog were big enough to affect the traffic at the NYT, I would assume he posted as linkbait. The way he wrote it it’s almost like catnip for DougJ.

  53. 53.

    Valdivia

    November 20, 2012 at 7:22 am

    OMFG. Burkean Revivalists. Do they hold a seance and hum?

  54. 54.

    Lurking Canadian

    November 20, 2012 at 7:27 am

    Didn’t we already go through a Bobby Jindal-as-heir apparent in 2009, right up until he shat the bed after the SOTU?

    Can’t they even find a new corpse to prop up?

  55. 55.

    aimai

    November 20, 2012 at 7:32 am

    @SRW1:
    Non doctrinaire means “dishonest”–Megan’s whole shtick is attempting to obscure logic and reality with a cuttle fish ink blast of incoherence. But that McGarbledy-gook is clearly a desirable form for Brooks precisely because its dishonesty enables it to fool some small portion of her readership. When you read her, you get stupider, and down in the threads you can see what happens to her troglodytic followers as they regress towards total inability to reason. That’s a feature in Bobo’s world, and in Megan’s. Its not a byproduct of her incoherence, its the goal of her dishonesty.

    aimai

  56. 56.

    Rick Massimo

    November 20, 2012 at 7:33 am

    @pseudonymous in nc: Yup. Newly prominent Republicans are “stars.” Newly prominent Democrats are dangerously untested neophytes whom we’d be taking a big risk on.

    Megan McArdle … start from broadly libertarian premises but do not apply them in a doctrinaire way.

    Right. The minute libertarian premises hit her in the pocketbook or affect her negatively in any way, out they go.

  57. 57.

    Ash Can

    November 20, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Lulz. Christie is going to be the Jon Huntsman of 2016 (too liberal), Jindal will insist he’s a creationist but get nowhere, and the real battle for the nomination will be among Santorum, Gingrich, and Ryan (who isn’t a loser himself, no sirree; he was just held back by that loser Romney). And we”ll enjoy every minute of it.

  58. 58.

    El Cid

    November 20, 2012 at 8:11 am

    If they repeat “Burkean” enough times, then they get to feel like they’re some long unrecognized ethnic lineage deserving of respect, some Celtic or whatever group who really was in line to be King or Emperor somewhere, they’ve just never been given their due.

  59. 59.

    1badbaba3

    November 20, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Yo, DougJ, dude is callin’ you out, yo! You gonna let that centrist POS diss you like that? He’s practically daring you to interrupt your vacay. Yo man, we gotta dust this boy off. We’ll pick you up in the 98. Respect. Word. You feel me?

  60. 60.

    pseudonymous in nc

    November 20, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Berkian revivalists, as in Berkeley Hunt.

  61. 61.

    Shawn in ShowMe

    November 20, 2012 at 8:35 am

    @Ash Can:

    Lulz. Christie is going to be the Jon Huntsman of 2016 (too liberal), Jindal will insist he’s a creationist but get nowhere, and the real battle for the nomination will be among Santorum, Gingrich, and Ryan

    So you don’t think Rubio is white enough to appease the nativists?

  62. 62.

    MaxxLange

    November 20, 2012 at 9:04 am

    I notice that all the young conservatives who write in to the college newspaper where I work see themselves as bold iconoclasts, bringing the good news of their exciting and innovative ideas to those still mired in liberal orthodoxy. Are these kids not aware that they are merely repeating the same tired agenda we’ve been hearing since at least 1980, and that it’s been tried and it doesn’t work? No, I guess they are not.

  63. 63.

    El Cid

    November 20, 2012 at 9:09 am

    @MaxxLange: Republicans and conservatives (and “libertarians,” who are most frequently conservatives who favor wealth authoritarianism) have the amazing ability to believe that throwing one’s support to the wealthiest and most powerful makes one a daring, bold, courageous rebel.

    It’s sort of beautiful in its perverseness.

    This was among the most annoying characteristics of the 1980s douchebag young conservatives and the right’s college asshole brigades.

  64. 64.

    pk

    November 20, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Rubio just said that he does not know how old the earth is and is not a “scientist guy”. Jindal performed exorcisms. These are the brightest bulbs in the party.

  65. 65.

    Jebediah

    November 20, 2012 at 9:25 am

    @Ash Can:

    the real battle for the nomination will be among Santorum, Gingrich, and Ryan (who isn’t a loser himself, no sirree; he was just held back by that loser Romney). And we’‘ll enjoy every minute of it.

    Does the GOP understand how frightened and pissed off liberals would be by a Ryan/Palin ticket? Please, GOP, have mercy! Ryan/Palin is too scary! Almost as scary as that briar patch!

  66. 66.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 20, 2012 at 9:29 am

    @Vasya: I don’t know about that. Burke was a flaming royalist who was very sure that rank and stratification were crucial to societal functioning–political revolution would pull to pieces a whole system that had been developed and passed down like an inherited estate. Less communitarian, more “your betters know best.”

  67. 67.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 20, 2012 at 9:31 am

    @MaxxLange: I guess everything is new to someone.

  68. 68.

    Lex

    November 20, 2012 at 9:47 am

    McArdle still couldn’t find the answer to 2 + 2 = 4 with both hands, a map and a calculator. Which doesn’t disqualify her from the GOP nomination, but still.

  69. 69.

    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us? (formerly MarkJ)

    November 20, 2012 at 9:58 am

    @Jewish Steel: Please don’t drag Selma Hayek into this. So far as I know she hasn’t done anything to deserve association with such bad company.

  70. 70.

    RaflW

    November 20, 2012 at 10:10 am

    @pseudonymous in nc: the Village (wired for Republicans) is always declaring GOP stars in the making.

    Which is why there was a significant effort to wreck Nate Silver. He’s not playing along with the star-anointing.

  71. 71.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 20, 2012 at 10:33 am

    What’s the deal with Reihan Salaam, I saw him on snooze hour the other day, he looks like the genie of Aladdin’s lamp. I wonder being a Muslim and from Bangladesh, what prompted him to join the wingnut brigade.

  72. 72.

    IM

    November 20, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Burkean Revivalists

    You can’t make that up.

    I am somewhat in awe. Brooks runs a con, but it is quite brazen.

  73. 73.

    DougJ

    November 20, 2012 at 11:11 am

    @Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again):

    A fellow sonic youth fan!

  74. 74.

    pk

    November 20, 2012 at 11:37 am

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    I wonder being a Muslim and from Bangladesh, what prompted him to join the wingnut brigade.

    Easy money. A brown muslim wingnut. Almost like a rare precious stone. It’s so much better to use a brown or black face to spout racist ideology. Same with Dinesh D’souza. I’m sure there must have been slaves who supported slavery, or jews for Nazis.

  75. 75.

    jake the snake

    November 20, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Are we sure that DougJ has not hacked the NYT website and posted a parody of a BoBo column?

    Krauthammer, Will, etc have pretty much been engaging in self-parody for years. I suppose BoBo could be doing the same.

    I think Poe’s law is pretty much in effect among all conservative columnists.

  76. 76.

    IM

    November 20, 2012 at 11:53 am

    @jake the snake:

    Are we sure that DougJ has not hacked the NYT website and posted a parody of a BoBo column?

    Burkean Revivalists?

    Even DougJ isn’t that good.

  77. 77.

    Bill Arnold

    November 20, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    He’s just trolling you, DougJ

    Even odds that this is actually true.

  78. 78.

    Mnemosyne

    November 20, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    @Cain:
    @Yutsano:

    Line forms to the left, fellas.

  79. 79.

    Mnemosyne

    November 20, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    @MaxxLange:

    It’s the same reason they keep telling racist jokes that Henny Youngman would have found passe in 1952 — if they haven’t heard them before, then they must have come from their brilliant, groundbreaking minds. They certainly couldn’t be ideas that have already been tried and failed.

  80. 80.

    Fred Fnord

    November 20, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Protip for Brooks: ’empty-headed’ and ‘open-minded’ are not synonymous.

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