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Up or down vote!

by DougJ|  January 1, 20138:45 pm| 145 Comments

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Will there be an actual up-or-down fiscal cliff vote in the House tonight?

If so, how many votes does it get?

I’m reluctant to predict, I have no idea. But knock yourselves out.

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  1. 1.

    4tehlulz

    January 1, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    It fails by a couple of votes, even though the Dem leadership delivers everyone for it.

  2. 2.

    Maude

    January 1, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    The Hill tweeted that a full House vote expected at around 10:30 or 11 p.m.

  3. 3.

    Raven

    January 1, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    They brought in pizza.

  4. 4.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 1, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    How many of the close to marginally insane Rethugs take the risk that they’ll be primaried in 2014 by teahadist scum?

    That is the question.

  5. 5.

    jon

    January 1, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    I know there will be short- term pain, but I hope the deal fails. If there is no debt ceiling deal, gEthan the most money possible in the interim and make the fake deficit hawks use real numbers while their constituents are getting passed off at their games.

  6. 6.

    ruemara

    January 1, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    I predict I go insane from the blood pounding in my ears, drive my jalopy to washington tonight and roam the halls of congress, bitch slapping conservatives until they leave. with votes.

  7. 7.

    Raven

    January 1, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    8:02 p.m. ET – The House will vote Tuesday night on a Senate bill – an up or down vote without amendments – to avert the fiscal cliff, a senior House GOP leadership aide told CNN Senior Congressional Correspondent Dana Bash.

  8. 8.

    Linda Featheringill

    January 1, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    It depends what it means that the idea of many amendments was dropped. Does that mean that Boehner/Cantor can’t get 218 people who want to kill the Senate bill? If that’s the case, the House might actually vote for the Senate bill.

  9. 9.

    JPL

    January 1, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    redshirt mentioned earlier that he/she thought it would be a voice vote. I’m going to guess the same thing because it gives the repubs cover. I think it will pass though.

  10. 10.

    redshirt

    January 1, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    @JPL: Voice vote with approximately 50-60 Repub votes, including Boehner.

  11. 11.

    Raven

    January 1, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    From Jamie DuPree

    There is 1 hour of debate on the rule and 1 hour on the motion to concur in the Senate Amendment to HR 8

  12. 12.

    Linda Featheringill

    January 1, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    @ruemara: #6

    I predict I go insane from the blood pounding in my ears, drive my jalopy to washington tonight and roam the halls of congress, bitch slapping conservatives until they leave. with votes.

    Ooooh! That sounds like fun! Can I come with?

  13. 13.

    anibundel

    January 1, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    @Raven: Was it Papa Johns?

  14. 14.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 1, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    @JPL: @redshirt: I should know this, but how does a voice vote give them anonymity?

    Anybody seen anything about Pelosi making the Boner cast his votes first?

  15. 15.

    KCinDC

    January 1, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    If it’s a voice vote, can’t one of the tea partiers who want it to fail demand a roll call?

  16. 16.

    Raven

    January 1, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    @anibundel: Hard to tell

  17. 17.

    Ted_75

    January 1, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    Every single Republican that votes for this deal will be primaried in 2014, and relentlessly pilloried by Rush and the rest of AM talk radio.

    They will wish they were never elected to public office once they see the direction their career will take after defying the conservative base.

  18. 18.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    January 1, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    I predict that Russell Wilson outplays R.G.III this Sunday.
    STONE COLD LEADPIPE LOCK!

  19. 19.

    Jon

    January 1, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    @redshirt: Except if there’s that many no votes one of them is bound to ask for a recorded vote.

    And it doesn’t need 218. There are 3 vacancies. 217 gets it done. And I think that may be what it gets.

  20. 20.

    Lolis

    January 1, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    @jon:

    What good does delaying the debt ceiling by one year do? We are going to have that showdown eventually, might as well be in two months. Obama will likely be more popular in two months than in one year, if history repeats itself.

  21. 21.

    Davis X. Machina

    January 1, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    @jon:

    …make the fake deficit hawks use real numbers while their constituents are getting pissed off at their games.

    Their constituents, in 90%+ of cases, just sent them back to Congress.

  22. 22.

    Davis X. Machina

    January 1, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    @KCinDC: Yes. Motion for a recorded vote requires only forty-four members, or one-fifth of a quorum. Automatic for any vote on a general appropriations bill, a bill seeking to raise taxes, or the annual budget resolution.

  23. 23.

    Mnemosyne

    January 1, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Anybody seen anything about Pelosi making the Boner cast his votes first?

    I haven’t seen anything, but Pelosi’s not an idiot.

  24. 24.

    Peter

    January 1, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    I can’t decide if this tumblr is hilariously accurate, or tragically accurate.

  25. 25.

    Raven

    January 1, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    DuPree

    “For you parliamentary geeks, this will be a Motion to Concur in the Senate Amendments to H.R. 8”

  26. 26.

    ET

    January 1, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    Don’t Republicans love up or down votes? Of course that could only be when it is to their advantage.

  27. 27.

    Baud

    January 1, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    @Raven:

    Booo. I was hoping they would use “deem and pass.” (Remember that oldie.)

  28. 28.

    Publius39

    January 1, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    @Ted_75:

    Every single Republican that votes for this deal will be primaried in 2014, and relentlessly pilloried by Rush and the rest of AM talk radio.

    The same people who got the 2012 election so horribly wrong? Yeah, that will work out well.

  29. 29.

    Mnemosyne

    January 1, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    @Ted_75:

    Every single Republican that votes for this deal will be primaried in 2014, and relentlessly pilloried by Rush and the rest of AM talk radio.

    Given the massive failure of candidates who primaried conservative Republicans from the right this year, I say bring. it. on.

  30. 30.

    KCinDC

    January 1, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    @Davis X. Machina, it’s ridiculous in this era of electronic voting that it’s not required that every vote be on the record. These people are representatives, and those they represent have a right to know how they’re voting on every question.

  31. 31.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 1, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I’ll admit it: I want to hear she made him cry.

    “I gave you that big gavel. Guess I shoulda taught you how to swing it.”

    “You like wine? I own my own fucking vinyard.”

  32. 32.

    PaulW

    January 1, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    I think Rush Limbaugh will vote NO. But then again, he’s NOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL SO WHO CARES

  33. 33.

    JPL

    January 1, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    If there is a roll call vote there will be at least 75 republicans who support the Senate bill and the final vote count for will be 245..
    Will there be a prize for the winner?

  34. 34.

    Yutsano

    January 1, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Oh please don’t throw us into that briar patch Brer Taco!

  35. 35.

    Cacti

    January 1, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Given the massive failure of candidates who primaried conservative Republicans from the right this year, I say bring. it. on.

    This.

    Another purity purge means we get more O’Donnells, Angles, Akins, and Mourdocks running in otherwise winnable races for the GOP.

  36. 36.

    FlipYrWhig

    January 1, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    @jon: As Davis points out, I’m not sure I trust that “their constituents” will push back against them.

  37. 37.

    jon

    January 1, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    @Davis X. Machina: and @Lolis: What good does it do? It gives more revenue, so those assholes demanding austerity in the debt ceiling kabuki dance will have to justify their proposals for tax cuts at the same time they will be demanding cuts in spending. Yes, we’re dealing with crazy people, but why not put all their insanity on display at once?

  38. 38.

    Ted_75

    January 1, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    This is the House, not the Senate. GERRYMANDERING, baby!

  39. 39.

    RobertDSC-iMac G5

    January 1, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    I imagine the Teahadis will vote it down and the Dems will have to make up the difference.

  40. 40.

    Comrade Jake

    January 1, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    It’s just highly entertaining that the Hastert rule is largely what got us into this jam, and today Boehner suspended it. Gotta love the crayzees.

  41. 41.

    FlipYrWhig

    January 1, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    @jon: Why do you think they have to justify anything? They aren’t getting elected through a process of rational deliberation. Tax bad, baby good, gun good, vote Ogg (R-Anystate).

  42. 42.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    January 1, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    @Cacti: Are there enough, people in the mental institutions to challenge the teahadi congresscretins from the right?

  43. 43.

    ruemara

    January 1, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    @Linda Featheringill: Why not? We’ll have some ice cream after.

  44. 44.

    IowaOldLady

    January 1, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    @KCinDC:

    it’s ridiculous in this era of electronic voting that it’s not required that every vote be on the record. These people are representatives, and those they represent have a right to know how they’re voting on every question

    What a sane and kind of inspirational thing to say.

  45. 45.

    redshirt

    January 1, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    @JPL: We need a FISCAL CLIFF POOL. More exciting than NCAA Brackets.

    FYI – Dave Weigel’s Twitter account has been gold tonight. Very informative.

  46. 46.

    dmsilev

    January 1, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    I predict that a minority of the GOP caucus, let’s say 80 or 90 max, will vote in favor. Enough Democrats will vote yes that it passes.

    Then we can start amusing ourselves speculating about the Speaker election on Thursday…

  47. 47.

    Raven

    January 1, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    Jamie Dupree Jamie Dupree ‏@jamiedupree

    Both sides ready to give back some time to accelerate things on the House floor

  48. 48.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    January 1, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    I hope it’s a down cliff, covered in snow. I want to slap on some skis, hit the slope at top speed, faceplant at the base, snort up a couple of lines of it, roll over and make a snow angel and then get up and piss in it, writing SEND HELP!

  49. 49.

    FlipYrWhig

    January 1, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    @jon: And, to follow up on that last, when Republicans SAY “The Deficit,” they don’t mean the difference between what the government takes in and what it spends. They mean “giveaways to moochers, especially when the economy is bad.” That’s not going to change based on numbers. It’s, to paraphrase something Davis has said, theology.

  50. 50.

    amk

    January 1, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    @Ted_75: And yet hardcore teahadists like punk west and that deadbeat walsh lost in 2012, baybee.

    Nice to see your trollish butthurt though.

  51. 51.

    Cacti

    January 1, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Then we can start amusing ourselves speculating about the Speaker election on Thursday…

    Imma agree with those that are saying if Cantor or Ryan could have scuttled this, they would have.

    Boehner is weakened and damaged as a Speaker, but is there anyone strong enough to topple him?

  52. 52.

    Forum Transmitted Disease

    January 1, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    Oh hey, an idle threat from Taco. I guess that means this thing is as good as passed. Goodnight, everybody, gotta go to work tomorrow.

  53. 53.

    Cacti

    January 1, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Come thou long awaited GOP schism. Bring on the fratricidal knife fight.

  54. 54.

    redshirt

    January 1, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    So! After a long, drama filled day, do we all love the Senate bill now? Or can we pick up the Purity Patrols again?

  55. 55.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    January 1, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    @Ted_75: I know. Imagine, receiving lifetime healthcare, and being guaranteed private sector jobs paying 10x their current salary to walk the same halls and talk to the same people. Oh, the horror.

  56. 56.

    jon

    January 1, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    @FlipYrWhig: I’m looking at the debt ceiling arguments and a likely government shutdown, where having the maximum revenue possible would give Obama the best position. Holding the most cards until they’re needed most is a dangerous strategy when taxes are going to go up. But if the deficit matters, Obama may as well have the biggest numbers to start from.

  57. 57.

    anibundel

    January 1, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    @KCinDC: Stop demanding accountability from our leaders, that’s so 20th century. Don’t you know these are the twenty-teens?

  58. 58.

    anibundel

    January 1, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    @efgoldman: Happy New Year to you too, sir! Purrbot sends purrhuffs in your direction.

  59. 59.

    dmsilev

    January 1, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    I wonder what happened to Teds number 1 through 74? Did they, and this is a horrifying thought, fail to meet quality control?

  60. 60.

    CaseyL

    January 1, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    Yes! Absolutely every Gooper who votes in favor of this bill should be primaried. Find the further-right candidates you can. I’m begging you!

  61. 61.

    jon

    January 1, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    @FlipYrWhig: Agreed: if the strategy is to change minds of insane people, the President will always lose. Still, if the goal is a working government and the opponents don’t give a crap if it runs or not, having the tax revenue is a better thing than not having the tax revenue, no?

  62. 62.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    January 1, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    @Ted_75:

    This is the House, not the Senate. GERRYMANDERING TOTALITARIANISM, baby!

    Fixed

  63. 63.

    Cacti

    January 1, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    One of my wingtard relatives was complaining on teh facebook that the Senate passed Obama’s evil plan to raise taxes on the middle class.

    When were households making $33,333/month the middle of anything?

  64. 64.

    Davis X. Machina

    January 1, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    @Cacti: Whoever replaces Boehner now gets to stand on the bridge when the ship hits the iceberg in March.

    Who’d volunteer for that? They’ll let him keep the job, and keep jerking his leash periodically.

  65. 65.

    arguingwithsignposts

    January 1, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Goddamn, but this drama happens every fucking time the government tries to do anything. Fuck I’m sick of this GOP drama bullshit.

  66. 66.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    January 1, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    @dmsilev: Have you seen the Resident Evil movies? Ted_75 is the newest attempt to recreate the perfect conservative, Ted Bundy. The first 74 failed before they could make it to a keyboard.

  67. 67.

    Bruce S

    January 1, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    @JPL:

    Voice vote? Jeeezus – the GOPers are the biggest fucking cowards on the planet.

  68. 68.

    pseudonymous in nc

    January 1, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    @Cacti:

    When were households making $33,333/month the middle of anything?

    Temporarily embarrassed millionaires. Steinbeck was right then, and is right now.

  69. 69.

    KCinDC

    January 1, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    Good point, @efgoldman, but not all House Republicans are in ultra-GOP districts. In fact, gerrymandering to rig for a majority means more Republicans should be in less-safe seats, where the voters may not be so keen on tea partyism. If you’re rigging the game to have most districts be Republican even when most of the vote is Democratic, you’re going to have a lot more 53% wins than 78% wins.

  70. 70.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 1, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    @Davis X. Machina: I often wondered, as Romney kept jumping through hoops as everyone’s second choice, even against Bachman and Cain, why he didn’t just take his pile of money and go home. Boehner’s a fairly wealthy man, from what I understand, I think even know he would be offered lush pastures to be put out to. I can’t imagine why he puts up with the humiliation. I heard a thing on the radio a while back that he has (had) ambitions to be one of the historic speakers, like Rayburn, O’Neill, etc. HE’s gotta see that ship has sunk in the harbor.

  71. 71.

    Morzer

    January 1, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    Yes, there will. I think it is voted down by 10-12 votes, as enough angry progressives refuse to vote in favor and enough terrified dead-elephantists remember the pitchforks* and tar** that await them in Groveria and Norquistan.

    *Possibly rusty.
    **Definitely hot, but almost certainly not white, despite the best efforts of FreedumbWerx

  72. 72.

    Another North Carolinian

    January 1, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    Yes, we get the up or down vote, and it’s not going to be particularly close. The House passes the bill by 19 votes. Put it in the bank. (I’m just seeing what it feels like to play Nate Silver on the Internet. I have no idea what I’m talking about, but that’s my bet and I’m sticking to it.)

  73. 73.

    CaseyL

    January 1, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Final Vote: 231 aye; 195 nay; the rest abstain or vote “present.” Of the ayes: 185 Dems, 46 GOP.

  74. 74.

    WaterGirl

    January 1, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    @ruemara: Do they not have your blood pressure under control yet?

  75. 75.

    WaterGirl

    January 1, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    @amk: Is Ted_75 Ted & Hellen aka Derf?

  76. 76.

    Yutsano

    January 1, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    @CaseyL: Smells like 46 primaries to me! How did Johnnie Boy vote?

  77. 77.

    honus

    January 1, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    OT, but should be noted: Hank Williams died in Oak Hill W. Va. 60 years ago today.

  78. 78.

    WaterGirl

    January 1, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    @CaseyL: Is that a final vote, or your prediction?

  79. 79.

    arguingwithsignposts

    January 1, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    @WaterGirl: Ted_75 is troofus, aka UNLIMITED CORPORATE CASH. We need a Trollbook around here.

  80. 80.

    dmsilev

    January 1, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    Isn’t this bill now technically a tax cut since we’ve already hit the new year and the old law has expired? Have we actually found a tax cut that Republicans hate?

  81. 81.

    dmsilev

    January 1, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    @WaterGirl: No, Ted_75 is the UNLIMITED CORPORATE CASH! VICTORY! moron who had a whole series of names during the election campaign.

  82. 82.

    Morzer

    January 1, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    @dmsilev:

    You mean he’s Mitt Romney?

  83. 83.

    CaseyL

    January 1, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    @WaterGirl: Prediction. They’re still speechifying, won’t actually vote for at least another hour.

  84. 84.

    Brachiator

    January 1, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    We need to get this over with so we can move on to the gnashing of teeth and the inevitable posts explaining how Biden sold us out.

  85. 85.

    cmorenc

    January 1, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    How many of the close to marginally insane Rethugs take the risk that they’ll be primaried in 2014 by teahadist scum?

    The fear among GOP incumbents who are merely selfish, cynical, arrogant, entitled assholes of being successfully primaried by bona-fide barking mad frothing at the mouth candidates may just cause the incumbents to act enough like bona-fide barking mad frothing at the mouth representatives to enough of their constituents that they lose to moderate or even progressive democrats who can manage to come across as sanely pragmatic rather than ideological.

  86. 86.

    Bruce S

    January 1, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    TPM headline:

    A Breakthrough Within An Impasse Wrapped In A S**tshow

  87. 87.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    January 1, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: “HE’s gotta see that ship has sunk in the harbor.”

    That ship sunk in dry dock, it never made it to the harbor.

  88. 88.

    pseudonymous in nc

    January 1, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    Is that Son Of Potatoe Quayle with the gavel? He’s out in a day, so he gets to play speaker-boy as a perk.

  89. 89.

    johnny aquitard

    January 1, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    @dmsilev: Guffaw!

  90. 90.

    geg6

    January 1, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    @efgoldman:

    This. And his appearance tells me the GOPers are in a world of hurt. Though I must say that I have finally found something that I hope comes true, thus proving that whole stopped clock thing. I hope they primary every single GOPer who votes for this. With Todd Aikin and Christine O’Donnell clones.

  91. 91.

    WaterGirl

    January 1, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    @arguingwithsignposts: @dmsilev: efgoldman

    Funny, after I posted that I wondered if it was VICTORY!!!!!

    I skip over all the trolls so I don’t necessarily notice all the details of what and how they post. I read the first 2 comments by Ted_75, and i sensed something wasn’t right, even though those particular comments could have been written by anyone.

    I can’t recall where I was over christmas, but someone I was with said “victory!” about something, and of course I heard it as VICTORY!!!!!!!I and had my own little giggle about it.

  92. 92.

    whidby

    January 1, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    @honus: RIP Hiram King WIlliams.

  93. 93.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    January 1, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    Erick, Son of Erick, has a thing or two to say about the deal…

    The Republican Establishment in Washington, DC should be burned to the ground and salt spread on the remains. Republicans who saw Mitch McConnell and John Boehner destroy the last plank of the Republican Party are going to need to look elsewhere for a savior for their party. Boehner and McConnell have declared they will survive. Their party? They don’t really care.
     
    Conservatives must look elsewhere.

    Ooooohh! Rebellion! Maybe third party support? Nope, Erick comes back to the rallying cry of the teabagging right…

    I do not advocate a third party. I advocate bring fresh blood into the GOP.

    Same ol’ same ol’.

  94. 94.

    anibundel

    January 1, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    @Bruce S:
    Best.
    Headline.
    Ever.

  95. 95.

    Feebog

    January 1, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    This is going to be a lot closer than you think. I predict it passes with 220 votes.

  96. 96.

    dmsilev

    January 1, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    @Morzer: I think Romney generally has a better command of grammar.

  97. 97.

    Davis X. Machina

    January 1, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    @Feebog: Sounds about right. Pelosi will, and should, feed Boehner just enough votes to pass the bill, no more. And Boehner’s going to have to give a lot of get-out-of-jail-primary-free cards.

  98. 98.

    dmsilev

    January 1, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    @Odie Hugh Manatee: Eirck ibn Erick is a GOP apparatchik, despite his occasional attempts to appear ‘pricipaled’ and ‘independent’.

  99. 99.

    geg6

    January 1, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    @geg6:

    Damn, I hate this mobile site where I can’t post half the time, get double posts the other half and can never ever make a correction.

    Anyway, I meant to say that I fervently hope that PO is right just this once when he says there will be a GOP civil war over this vote. I never thought I’d be cheering him on for anything.

  100. 100.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    January 1, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    @Odie Hugh Manatee: Well, the good thing is he’s not advocating for another party that thinks it’s different from the Republicans yet once again does everything the Repubican party wants and gets nothing in return for their work.

    Plus, Teabagger was probably the most creative thing they could come up with. Erick is probably worried about the next name they try to come up with.

  101. 101.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 1, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    @Odie Hugh Manatee: I’ve been thinking that third party challenges are what the GOP has to worry about most. I think House races would still be pretty ugly for Dems, some Bluer Dogs than we’ve seen in a long time.

    Some Senate races could get interesting. I wonder if Lindsey Graham has fucked himself out of all his macho posturing on Benghazi and gay marriage by voting for this compromise. Rob Portman is up in 2014, I believe? One of Tennessee chuckleheads? THinking about the map, I can’t come up with any others who might get bit in the ass.

  102. 102.

    Morzer

    January 1, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    @Odie Hugh Manatee:

    Y’see, a true conservative would have followed the correct protocol and plowed the site over before sowing it with salt. Clearly Ricky bin Ricky is just a librul in disguise.

  103. 103.

    Publius39

    January 1, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    @Belafon (formerly anonevent):

    Plus, Teabagger was probably the most creative thing they could come up with. Erick is probably worried about the next name they try to come up with.

    They’ll probably just include a patriotic term in the name like “patriot,” “liberty,” or “freedom” and slap “party” at the end of it.

  104. 104.

    Mike E

    January 1, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    @efgoldman: Way ahead of you with the Redenbacher’s

  105. 105.

    amk

    January 1, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    @WaterGirl: yup, it the same POs.

  106. 106.

    BruinKid

    January 1, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    @Peter: Check out what this Kossack did to “Master of the House” from Les Misérables. :-)

  107. 107.

    scav

    January 1, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    @efgoldman:

    The Republican Establishment in Washington, DC should be burned to the ground and salt spread on the remains.

    Back to the bag of salty dicks for the second night in a row. . . .

    leftovers. sigh.

  108. 108.

    Mike E

    January 1, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    Chelsea Clinton tweets a thank you to the doctors for treating her mother, and expects a full recovery.

  109. 109.

    Or something like that.Suffern Ace

    January 1, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    Does anyone have the address of the DC establishment?

  110. 110.

    rikyrah

    January 1, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    West Wing [email protected]

    Winter 2012: GOP candidates refuse to support idea of $10 cuts for $1 revenue. Winter 2013: Senate GOP agrees to $41 revenue for $1 cuts

  111. 111.

    Bob In Portland

    January 1, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    This is and has always been performance art. I predict that it’ll pass by the narrowest of margins in order to give protection in 2014 for Repubs from the more crazed regions of wingnutlandia. This would give Repubs more leverage in fucking over Americans during the next faux crisis.

    I hope the Repubs go over the cliff, though.

  112. 112.

    PeakVT

    January 1, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    Turned on Cspan to get the latest, and some moron Republican was yammering on about a “wave of entitlement obligations”.

    All of them should go jump in the Anacostia.

  113. 113.

    PeakVT

    January 1, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    @Or something like that.Suffern Ace: They’re in the area around Pennsylvania Avenue, and east, west, south and north somewhat.

  114. 114.

    Morzer

    January 1, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    @PeakVT:

    And now Sander Levin is politely saying:

    “Shove it, teabagger!”

  115. 115.

    redshirt

    January 1, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    @rikyrah: If only Obama could negotiate! Think what ponies we’d get then!

  116. 116.

    gogol's wife

    January 1, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    @Morzer:

    LOLOLOLOLOL

  117. 117.

    ruemara

    January 1, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    @WaterGirl: I think I am getting better, now the medications are making me miserable. I can now attest that the Tell-Tale Heart is true. Hours of a pulse beating loudly in your ears, along with crippling headaches will drive you mad. Medication. Double edged sword. I have no idea how I can find a new job feeling like this.

  118. 118.

    mai naem

    January 1, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    Looks like its going to pass. 7 Dems voting against so far. 124 yeas with 104 Dems yet to vote.

  119. 119.

    PeakVT

    January 1, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    Here’s the C-SPAN feed. 8, no, 9 Dems voting against so far and 56 Repukes for.

  120. 120.

    me

    January 1, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    Going to pass with around 33% republican support.

  121. 121.

    Mister Harvest

    January 1, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    Looks like it will pass. Republicans now rushing to vote Nay now that it’s clear it will go through.

    Sausages and the law.

  122. 122.

    rikyrah

    January 1, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    Orange Julius:
    1. voted for it
    2. violated the Hastert Rule

    IT PASSED.

  123. 123.

    mai naem

    January 1, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    Cantor must have been buying some time to change his stock market bets for tomorrow from short to not short.
    @Mister Harvest: Never underestimate how chickenshit the Republicans will be.

  124. 124.

    me

    January 1, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    @rikyrah: Will it cost him the speakership, or will Cantor chicken out?

  125. 125.

    Yutsano

    January 1, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    @PeakVT: 257-167. It wasn’t even close to failing and Nancy bailed out Boehner’s ass big time.

  126. 126.

    Svensker

    January 1, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    @ruemara:

    Don’t laugh, but are you getting enough magnesium? Very helpful for regulating heartbeat and calming headaches. You might give it a try if you’re not taking any now. Be sure to get magnesium citrate, as it is the most absorbable. And you’ll have to try different brands (altho I swear by Solaray). Dose yourself to the point where your bowels are loosey-goosey, then back it off. It’s worth a shot.

  127. 127.

    Tripod

    January 1, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    It’s a center left nation.

  128. 128.

    Tripod

    January 1, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    It’s a center left nation.

  129. 129.

    redshirt

    January 1, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    What a fun political day! Good game folks, we’ll get back at ’em tomorrow.

  130. 130.

    Punchy

    January 1, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    Anyone know how Rude State and their Trike Farce is taking this?

  131. 131.

    ruemara

    January 1, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    @Svensker: Got no idea about if I am getting enough. If I am mobile tomorrow, I will give it a shot. Anything to get rid of this. It really is torture to play loud things endlessly. Even if it is not Nickelback.

  132. 132.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    January 1, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    As I said above, not so well.

    The Republican Establishment in Washington, DC should be burned to the ground and salt spread on the remains. Republicans who saw Mitch McConnell and John Boehner destroy the last plank of the Republican Party are going to need to look elsewhere for a savior for their party. Boehner and McConnell have declared they will survive. Their party? They don’t really care.

  133. 133.

    rikyrah

    January 1, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    @me:

    WHO would want to be Speaker.

    Cantor wants it, but he only wanted it if the GOP had won the Presidency and gotten the Senate.

    IF he takes it from Orange Julius, he’ll be setting himself up for the same situation.

  134. 134.

    hildebrand

    January 1, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    Seeing reports that they worked the Farm Bill into this – are they right?

  135. 135.

    RaflW

    January 1, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    Some reporter on FOX is saying “this is a very strange vote, again, this is a very strange vote.”

    Yes it is, FOX. You haven’t seen 85 House Repubs and 40 Senate Repubs vote for tax increases in decades.

  136. 136.

    Svensker

    January 1, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    @ruemara:

    Magnesium is also good for lowering bp and helping regulate blood sugar. Don’t get the kind with calcium — just get the straight magnesium citrate. For the first few days you take the supplements you might want to make sure you’ll be able to get to a bathroom quickly. If you’re taking too much for your system, things can get interesting fast!

  137. 137.

    Punchy

    January 1, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    @Odie Hugh Manatee: Yikes. Erik the Red seems blue as he knows The Orange sold him out, allowing Blacks and their food stamps to keep the country trills in the red. Seems to be calling McJowels yellow….

  138. 138.

    RaflW

    January 1, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    @hildebrand: Yes, there’s a temporary Farm Bill fix to keep milk prices from soaring for I think 9 months.

  139. 139.

    RaflW

    January 1, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    Unfortunately for working people, the SS withholding reduction that’s been in place ends. So there will be a middle and working class tax increase.

    But 2,000,000 people getting extended UI is good.

    And while its still not good enough, those crooks known as hedge fund managers are seeing their tax rate rise form 15 to 20%. That’s still crazy, but it somethin’.

  140. 140.

    sheithappens

    January 1, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    It wasn’t even close. The bill passed easily. So carry on flatuating over what amounts to (yet again) nothing but political theater and believing it and spewing on and on endlessly about stuff that amounts to NOTHING as usual.

  141. 141.

    hildebrand

    January 1, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    Now that this one is in the books – what does this vote mean down the road? Can we expect that the Republican coalition has been fractured enough (not significantly, just enough) that the debt ceiling and other various fights are going to be easier?

    The Great Orange One (and others, obviously) peered over the edge and decided he couldn’t crash the economy today – does this mean they have a weaker bargaining position going forward?

  142. 142.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    January 1, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    @Punchy:

    What’s really funny is how some of the commentary at Redstate and Daily Kos is essentially the same…

    “The GOP leadership and the Obama administration and Democratic party are ONE IN THE SAME.”

    That quote is from Redstate but you can easily find the same thing at Daily Kos…lol!

  143. 143.

    RaflW

    January 1, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    @hildebrand: Some on the Twitterbox are speculating that the GOP rump in the House will be angrier and more worked up to screw Obama and the nation on the debt limit.

    I dunno. I think we’ll see some increased tension between House and Senate GOPs. Most Repub Senators voted yes. 68% of the House repub caucus voted no, including Cantor and the House whip. That can’t sit well with McTurtle.

    So we’ll see what fractiousness the debt limit rings. I don’t discount the notion of the 160 or so more- and most-rightwing House GOPs going for blood in March. The question will be wether Boehner has to go to Nancy to save his and the country’s ass yet again.

  144. 144.

    Bruce S

    January 2, 2013 at 7:45 am

    @Odie Hugh Manatee:

    I don’t read Kos, but your assertion piqued my curiosity and what I found there was the obvious – without the tax hikes as leverage, Obama and the Dems have zero leverage left when this shitshow gets re-run in two months over debt limit and sequestrations. Other than a government shutdown, which has the same potential downsides that folks arguing against “going over the fiscal cliff” were touting.

    I think it’s short-sighted to look at this as some great victory. This entire thing has to play out again. What do we have next time. Tom Coburn, among other GOPers, who supported this have stated explicitly that this disarms the Dems in the next fight. That’s what’s in play. Not Boehner’s embarrassment. The GOP is crazy, but don’t assume they’re totally stupid. This could turn out to be a lost battle in a war they could win. Among other things unsustainable tax cuts made permanent – 98% of the Bush tax cuts that we’ve been excoriating and blaming for most of the deficit in recent years are now Democratic tax cuts – “The Obama tax cuts.” At some point – not too distant – we need to get something closer to the Clinton-era tax rates across the board if we’re going to sustain government. Or enact some new taxes, like financial transaction and increase on capital gains to cover current tax cuts for the middle class. The truth is that the knee-jerk liberal position has been opposition to the Bush-era tax rates, most of which Dems have now made permanent, and praise for the Clinton-era rates, which Dems have essentially killed. How will that play out? What’s the default position now? The only solution is to get rid of the GOP congress and start from scratch with some rational tax reform that’s not a cover for lowering taxes but greater equity, but that’s not likely – even in 2014 the GOP will probably maintain a (slimmer) majority. I can’t get excited by this round. There’s still a lot of crap in the hopper and I, for one, don’t see anything good coming out of the next confrontation. Nor do I have a simple solution to negotiating with some combination of total cynics and extremists.

    Wrapping some superficial discussion of whether or not Obama got the best deal on 1/1/13 around what is a large and looming problem is pretty much a waste of time. By the end of February it will become moot and we’ll have the same shouting match in entirely redundant internet posts and comments, and of course the same ugly drama in DC that barely addresses the real issues – which are rooted in larger and very problematic politics of the country than this Beltway Shitshow.

    This idiot troll yesterday actually had a point – control of statehouses by the GOP in the wake of the 2010 census has created a congressional monster that will be very difficult to dislodge, despite the fact that it “represents” an increasingly retrograde minority of voters.

  145. 145.

    Ron

    January 2, 2013 at 8:04 am

    @RaflW: Yeah, the payroll taxes are going back up, but I think that was necessary.

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