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  4. 4.

    Villago Delenda Est

    How many of the close to marginally insane Rethugs take the risk that they’ll be primaried in 2014 by teahadist scum?

    That is the question.

  5. 5.

    jon

    I know there will be short- term pain, but I hope the deal fails. If there is no debt ceiling deal, gEthan the most money possible in the interim and make the fake deficit hawks use real numbers while their constituents are getting passed off at their games.

  6. 6.

    ruemara

    I predict I go insane from the blood pounding in my ears, drive my jalopy to washington tonight and roam the halls of congress, bitch slapping conservatives until they leave. with votes.

  7. 7.

    Raven

    8:02 p.m. ET – The House will vote Tuesday night on a Senate bill – an up or down vote without amendments – to avert the fiscal cliff, a senior House GOP leadership aide told CNN Senior Congressional Correspondent Dana Bash.

  8. 8.

    Linda Featheringill

    It depends what it means that the idea of many amendments was dropped. Does that mean that Boehner/Cantor can’t get 218 people who want to kill the Senate bill? If that’s the case, the House might actually vote for the Senate bill.

  9. 9.

    JPL

    redshirt mentioned earlier that he/she thought it would be a voice vote. I’m going to guess the same thing because it gives the repubs cover. I think it will pass though.

  11. 11.

    Raven

    From Jamie DuPree

    There is 1 hour of debate on the rule and 1 hour on the motion to concur in the Senate Amendment to HR 8

  12. 12.

    Linda Featheringill

    @ruemara: #6

    I predict I go insane from the blood pounding in my ears, drive my jalopy to washington tonight and roam the halls of congress, bitch slapping conservatives until they leave. with votes.

    Ooooh! That sounds like fun! Can I come with?

  14. 14.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @JPL: @redshirt: I should know this, but how does a voice vote give them anonymity?

    Anybody seen anything about Pelosi making the Boner cast his votes first?

  17. 17.

    Ted_75

    Every single Republican that votes for this deal will be primaried in 2014, and relentlessly pilloried by Rush and the rest of AM talk radio.

    They will wish they were never elected to public office once they see the direction their career will take after defying the conservative base.

  18. 18.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    I predict that Russell Wilson outplays R.G.III this Sunday.
    STONE COLD LEADPIPE LOCK!

  19. 19.

    Jon

    @redshirt: Except if there’s that many no votes one of them is bound to ask for a recorded vote.

    And it doesn’t need 218. There are 3 vacancies. 217 gets it done. And I think that may be what it gets.

  20. 20.

    Lolis

    @jon:

    What good does delaying the debt ceiling by one year do? We are going to have that showdown eventually, might as well be in two months. Obama will likely be more popular in two months than in one year, if history repeats itself.

  21. 21.

    Davis X. Machina

    @jon:

    …make the fake deficit hawks use real numbers while their constituents are getting pissed off at their games.

    Their constituents, in 90%+ of cases, just sent them back to Congress.

  22. 22.

    Davis X. Machina

    @KCinDC: Yes. Motion for a recorded vote requires only forty-four members, or one-fifth of a quorum. Automatic for any vote on a general appropriations bill, a bill seeking to raise taxes, or the annual budget resolution.

  25. 25.

    Raven

    DuPree

    “For you parliamentary geeks, this will be a Motion to Concur in the Senate Amendments to H.R. 8”

  26. 26.

    ET

    Don’t Republicans love up or down votes? Of course that could only be when it is to their advantage.

  28. 28.

    Publius39

    @Ted_75:

    Every single Republican that votes for this deal will be primaried in 2014, and relentlessly pilloried by Rush and the rest of AM talk radio.

    The same people who got the 2012 election so horribly wrong? Yeah, that will work out well.

  29. 29.

    Mnemosyne

    @Ted_75:

    Every single Republican that votes for this deal will be primaried in 2014, and relentlessly pilloried by Rush and the rest of AM talk radio.

    Given the massive failure of candidates who primaried conservative Republicans from the right this year, I say bring. it. on.

  30. 30.

    KCinDC

    @Davis X. Machina, it’s ridiculous in this era of electronic voting that it’s not required that every vote be on the record. These people are representatives, and those they represent have a right to know how they’re voting on every question.

  31. 31.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Mnemosyne: I’ll admit it: I want to hear she made him cry.

    “I gave you that big gavel. Guess I shoulda taught you how to swing it.”

    “You like wine? I own my own fucking vinyard.”

  33. 33.

    JPL

    If there is a roll call vote there will be at least 75 republicans who support the Senate bill and the final vote count for will be 245..
    Will there be a prize for the winner?

  35. 35.

    Cacti

    @Mnemosyne:

    Given the massive failure of candidates who primaried conservative Republicans from the right this year, I say bring. it. on.

    This.

    Another purity purge means we get more O’Donnells, Angles, Akins, and Mourdocks running in otherwise winnable races for the GOP.

  36. 36.

    FlipYrWhig

    @jon: As Davis points out, I’m not sure I trust that “their constituents” will push back against them.

  37. 37.

    jon

    @Davis X. Machina: and @Lolis: What good does it do? It gives more revenue, so those assholes demanding austerity in the debt ceiling kabuki dance will have to justify their proposals for tax cuts at the same time they will be demanding cuts in spending. Yes, we’re dealing with crazy people, but why not put all their insanity on display at once?

  39. 39.

    RobertDSC-iMac G5

    I imagine the Teahadis will vote it down and the Dems will have to make up the difference.

  40. 40.

    Comrade Jake

    It’s just highly entertaining that the Hastert rule is largely what got us into this jam, and today Boehner suspended it. Gotta love the crayzees.

  41. 41.

    FlipYrWhig

    @jon: Why do you think they have to justify anything? They aren’t getting elected through a process of rational deliberation. Tax bad, baby good, gun good, vote Ogg (R-Anystate).

  42. 42.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    @Cacti: Are there enough, people in the mental institutions to challenge the teahadi congresscretins from the right?

  44. 44.

    IowaOldLady

    @KCinDC:

    it’s ridiculous in this era of electronic voting that it’s not required that every vote be on the record. These people are representatives, and those they represent have a right to know how they’re voting on every question

    What a sane and kind of inspirational thing to say.

  45. 45.

    redshirt

    @JPL: We need a FISCAL CLIFF POOL. More exciting than NCAA Brackets.

    FYI – Dave Weigel’s Twitter account has been gold tonight. Very informative.

  46. 46.

    dmsilev

    I predict that a minority of the GOP caucus, let’s say 80 or 90 max, will vote in favor. Enough Democrats will vote yes that it passes.

    Then we can start amusing ourselves speculating about the Speaker election on Thursday…

  47. 47.

    Raven

    Jamie Dupree Jamie Dupree ‏@jamiedupree

    Both sides ready to give back some time to accelerate things on the House floor

  48. 48.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    I hope it’s a down cliff, covered in snow. I want to slap on some skis, hit the slope at top speed, faceplant at the base, snort up a couple of lines of it, roll over and make a snow angel and then get up and piss in it, writing SEND HELP!

  49. 49.

    FlipYrWhig

    @jon: And, to follow up on that last, when Republicans SAY “The Deficit,” they don’t mean the difference between what the government takes in and what it spends. They mean “giveaways to moochers, especially when the economy is bad.” That’s not going to change based on numbers. It’s, to paraphrase something Davis has said, theology.

  50. 50.

    amk

    @Ted_75: And yet hardcore teahadists like punk west and that deadbeat walsh lost in 2012, baybee.

    Nice to see your trollish butthurt though.

  51. 51.

    Cacti

    @dmsilev:

    Then we can start amusing ourselves speculating about the Speaker election on Thursday…

    Imma agree with those that are saying if Cantor or Ryan could have scuttled this, they would have.

    Boehner is weakened and damaged as a Speaker, but is there anyone strong enough to topple him?

  52. 52.

    Forum Transmitted Disease

    Oh hey, an idle threat from Taco. I guess that means this thing is as good as passed. Goodnight, everybody, gotta go to work tomorrow.

  55. 55.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    @Ted_75: I know. Imagine, receiving lifetime healthcare, and being guaranteed private sector jobs paying 10x their current salary to walk the same halls and talk to the same people. Oh, the horror.

  56. 56.

    jon

    @FlipYrWhig: I’m looking at the debt ceiling arguments and a likely government shutdown, where having the maximum revenue possible would give Obama the best position. Holding the most cards until they’re needed most is a dangerous strategy when taxes are going to go up. But if the deficit matters, Obama may as well have the biggest numbers to start from.

  59. 59.

    dmsilev

    I wonder what happened to Teds number 1 through 74? Did they, and this is a horrifying thought, fail to meet quality control?

  60. 60.

    CaseyL

    Yes! Absolutely every Gooper who votes in favor of this bill should be primaried. Find the further-right candidates you can. I’m begging you!

  61. 61.

    jon

    @FlipYrWhig: Agreed: if the strategy is to change minds of insane people, the President will always lose. Still, if the goal is a working government and the opponents don’t give a crap if it runs or not, having the tax revenue is a better thing than not having the tax revenue, no?

  63. 63.

    Cacti

    One of my wingtard relatives was complaining on teh facebook that the Senate passed Obama’s evil plan to raise taxes on the middle class.

    When were households making $33,333/month the middle of anything?

  64. 64.

    Davis X. Machina

    @Cacti: Whoever replaces Boehner now gets to stand on the bridge when the ship hits the iceberg in March.

    Who’d volunteer for that? They’ll let him keep the job, and keep jerking his leash periodically.

  65. 65.

    arguingwithsignposts

    Goddamn, but this drama happens every fucking time the government tries to do anything. Fuck I’m sick of this GOP drama bullshit.

  66. 66.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    @dmsilev: Have you seen the Resident Evil movies? Ted_75 is the newest attempt to recreate the perfect conservative, Ted Bundy. The first 74 failed before they could make it to a keyboard.

  68. 68.

    pseudonymous in nc

    @Cacti:

    When were households making $33,333/month the middle of anything?

    Temporarily embarrassed millionaires. Steinbeck was right then, and is right now.

  69. 69.

    KCinDC

    Good point, @efgoldman, but not all House Republicans are in ultra-GOP districts. In fact, gerrymandering to rig for a majority means more Republicans should be in less-safe seats, where the voters may not be so keen on tea partyism. If you’re rigging the game to have most districts be Republican even when most of the vote is Democratic, you’re going to have a lot more 53% wins than 78% wins.

  70. 70.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Davis X. Machina: I often wondered, as Romney kept jumping through hoops as everyone’s second choice, even against Bachman and Cain, why he didn’t just take his pile of money and go home. Boehner’s a fairly wealthy man, from what I understand, I think even know he would be offered lush pastures to be put out to. I can’t imagine why he puts up with the humiliation. I heard a thing on the radio a while back that he has (had) ambitions to be one of the historic speakers, like Rayburn, O’Neill, etc. HE’s gotta see that ship has sunk in the harbor.

  71. 71.

    Morzer

    Yes, there will. I think it is voted down by 10-12 votes, as enough angry progressives refuse to vote in favor and enough terrified dead-elephantists remember the pitchforks* and tar** that await them in Groveria and Norquistan.

    *Possibly rusty.
    **Definitely hot, but almost certainly not white, despite the best efforts of FreedumbWerx

  72. 72.

    Another North Carolinian

    Yes, we get the up or down vote, and it’s not going to be particularly close. The House passes the bill by 19 votes. Put it in the bank. (I’m just seeing what it feels like to play Nate Silver on the Internet. I have no idea what I’m talking about, but that’s my bet and I’m sticking to it.)

  73. 73.

    CaseyL

    Final Vote: 231 aye; 195 nay; the rest abstain or vote “present.” Of the ayes: 185 Dems, 46 GOP.

  80. 80.

    dmsilev

    Isn’t this bill now technically a tax cut since we’ve already hit the new year and the old law has expired? Have we actually found a tax cut that Republicans hate?

  84. 84.

    Brachiator

    We need to get this over with so we can move on to the gnashing of teeth and the inevitable posts explaining how Biden sold us out.

  85. 85.

    cmorenc

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    How many of the close to marginally insane Rethugs take the risk that they’ll be primaried in 2014 by teahadist scum?

    The fear among GOP incumbents who are merely selfish, cynical, arrogant, entitled assholes of being successfully primaried by bona-fide barking mad frothing at the mouth candidates may just cause the incumbents to act enough like bona-fide barking mad frothing at the mouth representatives to enough of their constituents that they lose to moderate or even progressive democrats who can manage to come across as sanely pragmatic rather than ideological.

  88. 88.

    pseudonymous in nc

    Is that Son Of Potatoe Quayle with the gavel? He’s out in a day, so he gets to play speaker-boy as a perk.

  90. 90.

    geg6

    @efgoldman:

    This. And his appearance tells me the GOPers are in a world of hurt. Though I must say that I have finally found something that I hope comes true, thus proving that whole stopped clock thing. I hope they primary every single GOPer who votes for this. With Todd Aikin and Christine O’Donnell clones.

  91. 91.

    WaterGirl

    @arguingwithsignposts: @dmsilev: efgoldman

    Funny, after I posted that I wondered if it was VICTORY!!!!!

    I skip over all the trolls so I don’t necessarily notice all the details of what and how they post. I read the first 2 comments by Ted_75, and i sensed something wasn’t right, even though those particular comments could have been written by anyone.

    I can’t recall where I was over christmas, but someone I was with said “victory!” about something, and of course I heard it as VICTORY!!!!!!!I and had my own little giggle about it.

  93. 93.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    Erick, Son of Erick, has a thing or two to say about the deal…

    The Republican Establishment in Washington, DC should be burned to the ground and salt spread on the remains. Republicans who saw Mitch McConnell and John Boehner destroy the last plank of the Republican Party are going to need to look elsewhere for a savior for their party. Boehner and McConnell have declared they will survive. Their party? They don’t really care.
     
    Conservatives must look elsewhere.

    Ooooohh! Rebellion! Maybe third party support? Nope, Erick comes back to the rallying cry of the teabagging right…

    I do not advocate a third party. I advocate bring fresh blood into the GOP.

    Same ol’ same ol’.

  97. 97.

    Davis X. Machina

    @Feebog: Sounds about right. Pelosi will, and should, feed Boehner just enough votes to pass the bill, no more. And Boehner’s going to have to give a lot of get-out-of-jail-primary-free cards.

  99. 99.

    geg6

    @geg6:

    Damn, I hate this mobile site where I can’t post half the time, get double posts the other half and can never ever make a correction.

    Anyway, I meant to say that I fervently hope that PO is right just this once when he says there will be a GOP civil war over this vote. I never thought I’d be cheering him on for anything.

  100. 100.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    @Odie Hugh Manatee: Well, the good thing is he’s not advocating for another party that thinks it’s different from the Republicans yet once again does everything the Repubican party wants and gets nothing in return for their work.

    Plus, Teabagger was probably the most creative thing they could come up with. Erick is probably worried about the next name they try to come up with.

  101. 101.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Odie Hugh Manatee: I’ve been thinking that third party challenges are what the GOP has to worry about most. I think House races would still be pretty ugly for Dems, some Bluer Dogs than we’ve seen in a long time.

    Some Senate races could get interesting. I wonder if Lindsey Graham has fucked himself out of all his macho posturing on Benghazi and gay marriage by voting for this compromise. Rob Portman is up in 2014, I believe? One of Tennessee chuckleheads? THinking about the map, I can’t come up with any others who might get bit in the ass.

  102. 102.

    Morzer

    @Odie Hugh Manatee:

    Y’see, a true conservative would have followed the correct protocol and plowed the site over before sowing it with salt. Clearly Ricky bin Ricky is just a librul in disguise.

  103. 103.

    Publius39

    @Belafon (formerly anonevent):

    Plus, Teabagger was probably the most creative thing they could come up with. Erick is probably worried about the next name they try to come up with.

    They’ll probably just include a patriotic term in the name like “patriot,” “liberty,” or “freedom” and slap “party” at the end of it.

  107. 107.

    scav

    @efgoldman:

    The Republican Establishment in Washington, DC should be burned to the ground and salt spread on the remains.

    Back to the bag of salty dicks for the second night in a row. . . .

    leftovers. sigh.

  108. 108.

    Mike E

    Chelsea Clinton tweets a thank you to the doctors for treating her mother, and expects a full recovery.

  110. 110.

    rikyrah

    West Wing Reports@WestWingReport

    Winter 2012: GOP candidates refuse to support idea of $10 cuts for $1 revenue. Winter 2013: Senate GOP agrees to $41 revenue for $1 cuts

  111. 111.

    Bob In Portland

    This is and has always been performance art. I predict that it’ll pass by the narrowest of margins in order to give protection in 2014 for Repubs from the more crazed regions of wingnutlandia. This would give Repubs more leverage in fucking over Americans during the next faux crisis.

    I hope the Repubs go over the cliff, though.

  112. 112.

    PeakVT

    Turned on Cspan to get the latest, and some moron Republican was yammering on about a “wave of entitlement obligations”.

    All of them should go jump in the Anacostia.

  117. 117.

    ruemara

    @WaterGirl: I think I am getting better, now the medications are making me miserable. I can now attest that the Tell-Tale Heart is true. Hours of a pulse beating loudly in your ears, along with crippling headaches will drive you mad. Medication. Double edged sword. I have no idea how I can find a new job feeling like this.

  118. 118.

    mai naem

    Looks like its going to pass. 7 Dems voting against so far. 124 yeas with 104 Dems yet to vote.

  121. 121.

    Mister Harvest

    Looks like it will pass. Republicans now rushing to vote Nay now that it’s clear it will go through.

    Sausages and the law.

  123. 123.

    mai naem

    Cantor must have been buying some time to change his stock market bets for tomorrow from short to not short.
    @Mister Harvest: Never underestimate how chickenshit the Republicans will be.

  126. 126.

    Svensker

    @ruemara:

    Don’t laugh, but are you getting enough magnesium? Very helpful for regulating heartbeat and calming headaches. You might give it a try if you’re not taking any now. Be sure to get magnesium citrate, as it is the most absorbable. And you’ll have to try different brands (altho I swear by Solaray). Dose yourself to the point where your bowels are loosey-goosey, then back it off. It’s worth a shot.

  131. 131.

    ruemara

    @Svensker: Got no idea about if I am getting enough. If I am mobile tomorrow, I will give it a shot. Anything to get rid of this. It really is torture to play loud things endlessly. Even if it is not Nickelback.

  132. 132.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    As I said above, not so well.

    The Republican Establishment in Washington, DC should be burned to the ground and salt spread on the remains. Republicans who saw Mitch McConnell and John Boehner destroy the last plank of the Republican Party are going to need to look elsewhere for a savior for their party. Boehner and McConnell have declared they will survive. Their party? They don’t really care.

  133. 133.

    rikyrah

    @me:

    WHO would want to be Speaker.

    Cantor wants it, but he only wanted it if the GOP had won the Presidency and gotten the Senate.

    IF he takes it from Orange Julius, he’ll be setting himself up for the same situation.

  135. 135.

    RaflW

    Some reporter on FOX is saying “this is a very strange vote, again, this is a very strange vote.”

    Yes it is, FOX. You haven’t seen 85 House Repubs and 40 Senate Repubs vote for tax increases in decades.

  136. 136.

    Svensker

    @ruemara:

    Magnesium is also good for lowering bp and helping regulate blood sugar. Don’t get the kind with calcium — just get the straight magnesium citrate. For the first few days you take the supplements you might want to make sure you’ll be able to get to a bathroom quickly. If you’re taking too much for your system, things can get interesting fast!

  137. 137.

    Punchy

    @Odie Hugh Manatee: Yikes. Erik the Red seems blue as he knows The Orange sold him out, allowing Blacks and their food stamps to keep the country trills in the red. Seems to be calling McJowels yellow….

  139. 139.

    RaflW

    Unfortunately for working people, the SS withholding reduction that’s been in place ends. So there will be a middle and working class tax increase.

    But 2,000,000 people getting extended UI is good.

    And while its still not good enough, those crooks known as hedge fund managers are seeing their tax rate rise form 15 to 20%. That’s still crazy, but it somethin’.

  140. 140.

    sheithappens

    It wasn’t even close. The bill passed easily. So carry on flatuating over what amounts to (yet again) nothing but political theater and believing it and spewing on and on endlessly about stuff that amounts to NOTHING as usual.

  141. 141.

    hildebrand

    Now that this one is in the books – what does this vote mean down the road? Can we expect that the Republican coalition has been fractured enough (not significantly, just enough) that the debt ceiling and other various fights are going to be easier?

    The Great Orange One (and others, obviously) peered over the edge and decided he couldn’t crash the economy today – does this mean they have a weaker bargaining position going forward?

  142. 142.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    @Punchy:

    What’s really funny is how some of the commentary at Redstate and Daily Kos is essentially the same…

    “The GOP leadership and the Obama administration and Democratic party are ONE IN THE SAME.”

    That quote is from Redstate but you can easily find the same thing at Daily Kos…lol!

  143. 143.

    RaflW

    @hildebrand: Some on the Twitterbox are speculating that the GOP rump in the House will be angrier and more worked up to screw Obama and the nation on the debt limit.

    I dunno. I think we’ll see some increased tension between House and Senate GOPs. Most Repub Senators voted yes. 68% of the House repub caucus voted no, including Cantor and the House whip. That can’t sit well with McTurtle.

    So we’ll see what fractiousness the debt limit rings. I don’t discount the notion of the 160 or so more- and most-rightwing House GOPs going for blood in March. The question will be wether Boehner has to go to Nancy to save his and the country’s ass yet again.

  144. 144.

    Bruce S

    @Odie Hugh Manatee:

    I don’t read Kos, but your assertion piqued my curiosity and what I found there was the obvious – without the tax hikes as leverage, Obama and the Dems have zero leverage left when this shitshow gets re-run in two months over debt limit and sequestrations. Other than a government shutdown, which has the same potential downsides that folks arguing against “going over the fiscal cliff” were touting.

    I think it’s short-sighted to look at this as some great victory. This entire thing has to play out again. What do we have next time. Tom Coburn, among other GOPers, who supported this have stated explicitly that this disarms the Dems in the next fight. That’s what’s in play. Not Boehner’s embarrassment. The GOP is crazy, but don’t assume they’re totally stupid. This could turn out to be a lost battle in a war they could win. Among other things unsustainable tax cuts made permanent – 98% of the Bush tax cuts that we’ve been excoriating and blaming for most of the deficit in recent years are now Democratic tax cuts – “The Obama tax cuts.” At some point – not too distant – we need to get something closer to the Clinton-era tax rates across the board if we’re going to sustain government. Or enact some new taxes, like financial transaction and increase on capital gains to cover current tax cuts for the middle class. The truth is that the knee-jerk liberal position has been opposition to the Bush-era tax rates, most of which Dems have now made permanent, and praise for the Clinton-era rates, which Dems have essentially killed. How will that play out? What’s the default position now? The only solution is to get rid of the GOP congress and start from scratch with some rational tax reform that’s not a cover for lowering taxes but greater equity, but that’s not likely – even in 2014 the GOP will probably maintain a (slimmer) majority. I can’t get excited by this round. There’s still a lot of crap in the hopper and I, for one, don’t see anything good coming out of the next confrontation. Nor do I have a simple solution to negotiating with some combination of total cynics and extremists.

    Wrapping some superficial discussion of whether or not Obama got the best deal on 1/1/13 around what is a large and looming problem is pretty much a waste of time. By the end of February it will become moot and we’ll have the same shouting match in entirely redundant internet posts and comments, and of course the same ugly drama in DC that barely addresses the real issues – which are rooted in larger and very problematic politics of the country than this Beltway Shitshow.

    This idiot troll yesterday actually had a point – control of statehouses by the GOP in the wake of the 2010 census has created a congressional monster that will be very difficult to dislodge, despite the fact that it “represents” an increasingly retrograde minority of voters.

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