Ohio State Board of Education President Debe Terhar is kind of irritated that everyone thinks she was comparing President Obama to Hitler when she posted a picture of Hitler on Facebook with a comment about how Obama is coming for your guns.
I mean, you post one Facebook message with a picture of Hitler, and a made-up Hitler quote, and everyone gets all uptight.
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did she say she was “Just Sayin'”? Because that excuses everything.
then the wingnuts call Obama a tyrant over and over again…..
where do they think this is all headed? And how does that help them?
The initial offenses of these folks are loathsome, but the walkbacks are just plain insulting.
What an amazingly complete lack of grasp of history. I’m assuming she’s a Glenn Beck graduate. The founders’ ‘well regulated militia’ was to defend the US government, not attack it. Hitler didn’t say that and didn’t disarm his own people. Weapon control laws have featured heavily throughout history, including in the US, for a variety of reasons and have no special link to establishing tyrannies. She’s regurgitating lies wholesale and pretending she’s the one thinking. Wow.
You know, I remember the Clinton presidency pretty well. The Republicans were assholes, and there was muttering like this. It was confined to, practically defined the lunatic fringe. Now it’s the conservative mainstream. Something must have happened to make a whole lot of people panic and grope for explanations they wouldn’t be ashamed to say out loud. I wonder what that was?
Edgy-kay-shun? Am not sure that means what Ohio thinks it means.
J. Michael Neal
Some of them have. Some of them haven’t. What those that did take away guns all had in common was that they had already seized power. Taking away anyone’s guns was the consequence of tyranny, not its cause. The fight for liberty had already been lost.
The example I love the best is Stalin. We’re supposed to believe that if there had been an armed citizenry he would never have come to power. As if Russia wasn’t awash in firepower during the civil war era. Lack of guns wasn’t why the Whites lost; the lack of any sort of political program that appealed to the masses was more their problem/
If you actually believe this is tyranny and that’s the purpose of the 2nd amendment, then shut up, grab your gun and start shooting federal officials, or was Tim McVeigh the only right winger willing to follow through with action?
And if you’re not willing to be the next McVeigh, then stop lying about calling this tyranny or whether the 2nd amendment exists for this purpose.
To be fair, she was mixing prescription meds with vodka at the time.
Republicans are pathetic liars. Only 27% of the population are dumb enough to think Terhar’s denial sounds reasonable and I guess that’s all that counts.
So she’s in charge of the Board of Ed and she’s stupid, dishonest, and cowardly. Great. Just what the kids in Ohio need.
More specifically, it was to defend the country without requiring a large standing army, which many of the founders felt was the real danger to liberty. Somehow the point about avoiding a large standing army doesn’t seem to have soaked in, since the same party that is all in on the importance of the Second Amendment in protecting liberty also believes that we aren’t spending enough on our military.
Just Some Fuckhead
These wily bastards always seem to figure out our plans to destroy them.
Or shorter Debe Terhar: The right of the people to violently overthrow the government shall not be infringed.
@trollhattan: I don’t think she’s vacationing on the edge anymore, I think she posted her change of address card pretty publically. Far far far from shunning it. Geocode her on googlemaps and she’s surrounded by blue, the only question is if it’s atmospheric or oceanic.
I wanted to see what she had posted. I found it here…
Along with some other interesting information….
And the only tyranny is federal tyranny. No. Those local and state systems are based on honor. Heck a local government is practically not a government at all.
Your precious little firearms won’t protect you against a Hellfire missile, you c***.
Better yet, the sooner she dies in a (Hell)fire, the better the world will be.
I think the phrase in the gun cult is “accident”. For example, if you shoot a neighbor or your kid, you just say it was an accident while you were cleaning your gun.
This 2-bit racist should be removed from office.
Unless it’s run by Democrats, at which point it should simply be disbanded by the state.
Just Some Fuckhead
@Calouste: Negligent discharge. (Not to be confused with “nocturnal discharge”.)
Here’s a site that collects negligent discharge stories.
@Calouste: I call that getting Cheneyed.
Ivan Ivanovich Renko
The “militias” referred to in the Second Amendment were slave-catching militias in the South, and today’s second amendment absolutists still hate free Negroes.
@ranchandsyrup: Exactly. It’s like saying “with all due respect” right before you shit all over someone, and then being upset at their justifiable response.
all due respect” before you shit all over someone, and then saying: “What? I said all due respect, what’s your problem?” At the end of the day…wait a minute, did I just say that? Doh!!!
Just what the fuck WERE you trying to say then, jackass? I mean, I make no bones about the fact that I consider comparisons between the Bush administration and Hitler appropriate, being that, you know, the Bushies were responsible for practices that were considered sufficient to incriminate surviving Nazis as war criminals.
Are you saying that, in fact, a similar comparison can be made because Obama behaved like Hitler in this or that way? Then fucking say so. Don’t just post a picture of the Fuhrer and then backtrack immediately saying “no no no I didn’t MEAN anything by it.”
Welcome to the internet. It allows everyone who thinks that Timothy Hutton is an alien queen sent here to train the populace to destroy Capitalism to gather in one “place” and organize. Given that, I’m not surprised by the mainstreaming of more typical paranoia about the how Angry Black Man is going to take away all your phallic symbols before herding you into the FEMA camps.
Just Some Fuckhead
..and we’d have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for those meddling Cincinnati Republicans!
@Haydnseek: I’m just asking (loaded) questions (that lead you to the point I want to make but don’t have the courage to say myself)!
Especially if it’s run by blah people. In that case, it’s fine to suspend the normal democratic process and have the local government run by somebody appointed by the governor.
I’m repeating myself on this point. But I’m always amazed to hear some Americans insist that they have a constitutional right to arm themselves for rebellion against the state, i.e. for treason. That’s so blatantly absurd, I don’t know how they can say it with a straight face.
And force your children to get ghey married, don’t forget that.
Followed by forced gay abortion (the worst kind!)
Just Some Fuckhead
It is justified by suggesting treason is okay in the face of tyranny, even though tyranny isn’t mentioned in the second amendment and cannot be specifically defined for the purposes of rebellion.
In short, the whole tyranny-treason-rebellion-guns nonsense is a huge, rightwing escapist fantasy.
It is even dumber than most people realize. The “well regulated militia” clause was specific to pacify the slave states. The states in those days maintained a well-regulated militia of white people to keep down slave rebellions. Everyone was *required* to serve in these militias and maintain firearms and come to the service of the State in the event of a slave uprising.
You were supposed to be part of the citizens’ army to DEFEND the state and maintain it’s tyranny. It was against the law not to be armed and ready to answer the call to put the oppressed back in chains.
Because as the Ohio State Board of Education President, nothing says committment to scholastic integrity like citing a fake quote in support of your position.
Kip the Wonder Rat
@Amir Khalid: Because they are stupid. As Carlin said, assuming you are exactly average, then half the people you meet are dumber than you. Since I don’t think of myself as particularly sharp on most days, THAT thought is a bit scary. ;)
Forum Transmitted Disease
@? Martin: Pretty much. I deal with the “Obama is a tyrant” crowd on a daily basis through work, and if any of them forget, or weren’t told, that I’m the token libtard and start spewing that “Obama is a tyrant” shit then I call them on it right then and there. You have a gun, right? The government’s tyrannical, right? What the fuck are you waiting for? Start shooting before it’s too late!
What, was McVeigh the only conservative with principles?
(explosion of rage, McVeigh wasn’t a conservative, he was a terrorist, blah blah blah)
Really? He thought the government had crossed the line into dictatorship. He acted. What’s your excuse?
(excuse, hasty departure)
A side benefit is that this cuts my support requests down a lot.
Plus, she spells her name “Debe.”
@Ivan Ivanovich Renko:
I’m pretty sure the militias were also used to make sure that the Native Americans whose land had been stolen didn’t try to take it back.
Ivan Ivanovich Renko
@Mnemosyne: Same mentality, same ideology– essentially the same straight white men fueling the ‘conservative movement’ to this very day.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@Amir Khalid: The easiest way to think about it is this: The second amendment applies to them, the rest of the constitution applies to everyone else.
@Amir Khalid: Especially when one of the few purposes for the militias that’s expressly stated in the Constitution is “suppressing Insurrection.”
Oh, and who, also according to the Constitution, is the Commander In Chief of all the militias? Hint: right now, his middle name is “Hussein.”
Think about like the 21st century mutation of the Southern romanticism of the antebellum South and why they decided to dig in and fight such a bloody Civil War, rather than accept limits to the spread of slavery.
In short, Southerners after losing the Civil War created a revised history about fighting to “protect their way of life”, their “unique culture”, and how the Negroes were happy, contented, and well cared for as slaves and the Confederate States were just standing up to Northern bullying regarding raising tariffs to pay for internal improvements.
Therefore the Civil War was fought to limit Northern tyranny against the South and in some parts of the USA the Civil War has been dubbed “the war of Northern Aggression”.
The romantic mindset of fighting your own government as being deserving of anything other than being tried for treason, I think, derives from generations of white Southerners romanticizing the causes of the Civil War and the antebellum South.
This mindset of the Noble resistance to Tyranny, I think sort of seeped into the greater culture as people moved out West, after the Civil War and eventually, via media access, penetrated pockets of folks in the North.
she should have said, “the nigger is going to take our guns away”. Honest dislike for African Americans and delusional paranoia. There is also the inability to read and understand the proposals the President is putting forth. She certainly is in the right job, should be easy for her to get educated enough to understand said proposals.
All have made good points but one that I haven’t seen is:
Obama is NOT trying to take away your guns! Sheesh this pisses me off. Even if (a BIG damn IF) they outlaw military weapons for civilians (aka assault weapon ban) that is NOT taking away their guns!
J R in W Va
Actually, in America attacking the government isn’t treason unless a foreign power is also involved. That’s part of why little Timmy McVeigh wasn’t charged with treason when he blew up a federal building in Oklahoma. It was home-grown republican terrorism, not foreign-sponsored terrorism, and so was just murder on a grand scale. Definition is in the the constitution, and two witnesses are required, too.
There’s also some intriguing parallels between the pro-slavers and the gun nuts in terms of trying to suppress opposing views. The slavers had their gag clauses; the gun nuts have their “no federal government research on public health effects of gun ownership” statutes. I’m pretty sure there are more examples.
@J. Michael Neal:
This mirrors my take on the matter. Guns are neither necessary nor sufficient for resisting tyranny. By which I mean: if you’re sufficiently politically strong, you’ll be able to seize weaponry even if you start out with none. And if you’re not political strong, your cause is hopeless anyways.
Another point (admittedly commonly made)—it’s by now conventional wisdom (don’t have time to check validity), but ostensibly Iraq was awash with citizens possessing guns, and that didn’t go a great ways towards deposing Saddam.
@Ash Can: You see in many locales, certainly here in NY State, people use the run for the school board (which really usually only involves having all your friends & relatives come out & vote) to launch their prospective political careers. To me, one of the biggest problems with our schools is that too many who are responsible for decision making have little knowledge of education and perhaps no real interest in acquiring any. Not all certainly but too many.
@Older_Wiser: Exactly. If she’s an elected official, vote her out. Recall her if her next election is far away.
@Amir Khalid: The Supreme Court seems to have backed up that argument, which unfortunately justifies the gun-loving craziness.