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You are here: Home / Economics / Austerity Bombing / Here We Go Again (It’s Gonna Be A Long Week)

Here We Go Again (It’s Gonna Be A Long Week)

by Anne Laurie|  March 18, 20131:24 am| 67 Comments

This post is in: Austerity Bombing, Republican Stupidity, Republican Venality, Assholes

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Slate reports that Reince “RNC PR BS” Priebus has a new Growth and Opportunity Project marketing campaign scheduled for rollout:

Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus says the GOP has an image problem. “We’ve done a really lousy job of branding and marketing who we are,” Priebus said on CBS. Most have an image of the GOP as a room full of “stuffy old guys” but the “reality is we have a very young party,” he added. Priebus went on CBS to talk about the long-anticipated RNC report that will be released Monday and will detail just how the GOP can reverse its fortunes after the November defeats.

Priebus, who calls the review “unprecedented,” outlined to CBS’ Bob Schieffer the three main recommendations for the next presidential election: Fewer debates, an earlier convention, and a shorter primary process… The primary process ultimately hurt the party and its eventual nominee because “while we were playing footsie” the Democrats “were spending potentially hundreds of millions of dollars on data, technology, voter outreach.” He said 23 debates is a “ridiculous” number and he’d cut it down to “maybe 7 or 8.” To improve its image, the party will spend $10 million as part of an outreach program that will send people to all corners of the country, with a particular focus on hiring new political directors to reach out to minority voting blocs.

Rinse (Reince) & repeat: The Greedy Old Perverts don’t need better candidates, just better salesmanship! Assuming the GOP, and our poor beset republic, survive the Austerity Bombers and their pet Sabbathday Gasbags until 2016:

“It’s always a good thing to engage in more conversation,” Boehner, an Ohio Republican, said on ABC… Boehner insists Obama “got his tax hikes on January 1” and now any “talk about raising revenue is over. It’s time to deal with the spending problem.”…

Yet Republican Sen. Bob Corker sounded a tad more flexible than Boehner when he was asked about potential compromises. “I think Republicans, if they saw true entitlement reform, would be glad to look at tax reform that generates additional revenue,” the senator from Tennessee told Fox News.

In his meetings with lawmakers last week, Obama told Democrats they should be more willing to revise entitlement programs in return for Republicans giving in on the revenue front. Corker said that if Obama “gets serious” about “true entitlement reform” Republicans might be willing to compromise on tax reform, although he insisted it would have to be through closing loopholes and not tax increases.


“Nihilists! Fuck me!… “

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  1. 1.

    r€nato

    March 18, 2013 at 1:28 am

    Why does Preibus love comedy writers so much?

  2. 2.

    Spaghetti Lee

    March 18, 2013 at 1:31 am

    RNC PR BS? Wow, I’d never heard that one before. Better than Mitt Romney (R-Money) or Virginia Bottomley (anagram of “I’m an evil tory bigot”.)

  3. 3.

    Spaghetti Lee

    March 18, 2013 at 1:35 am

    but the “reality is we have a very young party,”

    For those of you keeping score at home. Obama won the 18-29 vote by almost a 2-1 margin. Won the 30-44 vote too, though not by as much. I mean, Reince can think what he wants to think, but sheesh…

  4. 4.

    Hill Dweller

    March 18, 2013 at 1:35 am

    Did the asshole on ABC tell Boehner there have been far more spending cuts than tax increases?

  5. 5.

    Frankensteinbeck

    March 18, 2013 at 1:36 am

    ‘Reform’ really has been stripped of all meaning. In politics, everyone who says it and everyone who hears it is using a different definition.

  6. 6.

    Irish Steel

    March 18, 2013 at 1:51 am

    “We’ve done a really lousy job of branding and marketing who we are,”

    Au contraire, mon Rebus! It could be the only thing you’ve done right.

  7. 7.

    Suffern ACE

    March 18, 2013 at 1:51 am

    Hmmm. So basically fewer chances for audiences to boo hurricane victims and candidates to talk about mars colonies, and more opportunity for voters to forget about odd chair speeches from movie stars before the election.

  8. 8.

    ? Martin

    March 18, 2013 at 1:54 am

    He said 23 debates is a “ridiculous” number and he’d cut it down to “maybe 7 or 8.”

    Shorter Reince: “We can’t think of any other ways to stop our guys from saying stupid shit. This way they’ll say less of it.”

  9. 9.

    Suzanne

    March 18, 2013 at 1:55 am

    I love how he thinks it’s a branding problem. Maybe he just needs a new logo!

    After Eleanor: Great minds discuss policy, average minds discuss elections, small minds discuss BRANDING.

  10. 10.

    Yutsano

    March 18, 2013 at 1:55 am

    @Hill Dweller: Shrill! Uncivil! Dare I say…LIBRUL BIAS!!

  11. 11.

    Cacti

    March 18, 2013 at 1:55 am

    Conservatism can’t fail, it can only be failed.

  12. 12.

    NotMax

    March 18, 2013 at 1:58 am

    If re-branding is the hang-up, toss “tax increase*” and use “enhanced debt payment.”

    *which, anyway, should properly be called tax reform.

  13. 13.

    Ash Can

    March 18, 2013 at 2:01 am

    So the GOP is dropping $10 mil on an initiative that involves sending a bunch of people to talk to groups of minorities to explain to them that they’re a bunch of lazy moochers and that they need to be more deferential to their economic and racial betters. What could possibly go wrong?

  14. 14.

    Frankensteinbeck

    March 18, 2013 at 2:03 am

    @Ash Can:
    Here comes the new grift, same as the old grift.

  15. 15.

    James E. Powell

    March 18, 2013 at 2:07 am

    @Hill Dweller:

    You can’t use reasoning to talk someone out of a position that he didn’t get to using reasoning.

  16. 16.

    Irish Steel

    March 18, 2013 at 2:14 am

    @Ash Can: UNLIMITED CORPORATE HABLANDO!

  17. 17.

    Linkmeister

    March 18, 2013 at 2:16 am

    I wish Obama would stop mentioning “entitlement” reform. I hate relying on the insanity of House Republicans to keep SocSec, Medicare and Medicaid intact.

  18. 18.

    MeDrewNotYou

    March 18, 2013 at 2:38 am

    Not really on topic, but…

    “Nihilists! Fuck me!… “

    Hah! I just watched that, since I needed cheering up after learning of the dual disasters in Europe (Cyprus and Hungary). My favorite line from the nihilists is near the end with the tall one going at The Dude saying, “I fuck you! I fuck you in the ass!” Would you believe I just recently saw The Big Lebowski for the first time recently? I liked Oh Brother! Where Art Thou? and finally saw Fargo last year and was an instant Cohen brothers fan. Lebowski was on one of the Encores so I jumped at the opportunity.

    More on topic, I think I’m part of one of the groups that the GOP is trying to attract- younger voters. (Yes I’m a white male, but they still aren’t doing too hot even with us under 30.) I can confidently say that, at least when it comes to mostly social issues, any re-branding is a waste of time. We totally see how you treat LGBTs and minorities (and to a lesser extent women, although there are a lot of retrograde men on that point). I’m still scared that younger voters can be won over on economics since Americans are pretty dumb and gullible on that front, but dumping the homophobia and racism is an absolute prerequisite. No smoke and mirrors rhetorical switch, that shit has to go. Fortunately that’s a big deal to their base and they’ll probably lose more voters than they gain if they make the necessary moves.

  19. 19.

    Mike G

    March 18, 2013 at 2:43 am

    The Democrats “were spending potentially hundreds of millions of dollars on data, technology, voter outreach.”

    Since it involves unwanted contact with the unwashed masses who mostly hate their policies, I predict they’ll ditch voter outreach. And in tune with the arrogant, authoritarian MBA culture of the GOP, they’ll blow vast bucks ordering built an IT system with cluelessly contradictory and ever-shifting demands, that will enrich their cronies while producing a completely ineffective product.

    And I’ll laugh my ass off.

  20. 20.

    Alison

    March 18, 2013 at 2:54 am

    Speaking of rebranding (sort of)

    http://www.sfexaminer.com/politics/blogs/under-dome/2011/03/peta-wants-san-francisco-change-name-tenderloin

    People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals has requested that Mayor Ed Lee change the name of the Tenderloin to Tempeh, a vegan “cruelty-free” meat substitute.

    BAHAHAHAHAHHAA God PETA is so stupid. I’m a vegetarian and they make me almost embarrassed to be so, since people assume I support them, which I make as clear as possible whenever it comes up that I do NOT.

    And I used to live in the Tenderloin. It could use a lot of help and change, but the fucking name is the least of its problems.

  21. 21.

    Spaghetti Lee

    March 18, 2013 at 2:54 am

    @MeDrewNotYou:

    Romney won white guys under 30, as I recall, 54-41. Even though I know I’m not at fault and I know lots of other liberal young white guys, it still makes me cringe. While I’d rather old white people not vote Republican, I can sort of see it. They didn’t grow up in an environment where the culture respected women, minorities, and so forth, so the idea that Romney doesn’t care about those people doesn’t bother them. (And obviously, lots of old white people are true-blue Democrats. These sorts of demographic statements must be taken with a grain of salt for that reason.) But guys my age grew up in a much more diverse, tolerant world than that of previous decades, so I don’t see how so many of them can still think Romney’s a good guy and that he speaks to their problems. It’s depressing.

  22. 22.

    dance around in your bones

    March 18, 2013 at 2:56 am

    I still can’t believe that the GOPers think it’s their ‘branding and messaging’ rather than their actual policies that turn people off.

    They think it’s all about the marketing.

  23. 23.

    Villago Delenda Est

    March 18, 2013 at 3:00 am

    “We’ve done a really lousy job of branding and marketing who we are,”

    What Rinse is saying here is that they need to find some more palatable bread for the shit sandwich they’re desperately attempting to sell to an American electorate that has detected that the sell by date was two decades ago.

  24. 24.

    Spaghetti Lee

    March 18, 2013 at 3:00 am

    @Alison:

    I don’t get the ‘change the name and that will fix the problems’ school of activism. It’s about the least useful form of activism there is, not least because it makes people laugh at often-respectable causes. There’s a whole load of shitty governments with ‘Democratic’ in their name, or, closer to home, a lot of positively venal lobbying groups with ‘freedom’ and ‘liberty’ in theirs.

  25. 25.

    Alison

    March 18, 2013 at 3:03 am

    @Spaghetti Lee: PETA doesn’t really care about being useful, which in a surprising twist makes them very similar to the GOP.

  26. 26.

    dance around in your bones

    March 18, 2013 at 3:07 am

    @MeDrewNotYou:

    Don’t miss Blood Simple and Raising Arizona, also by the Coen bros.

    You’re welcome :)

  27. 27.

    Hal

    March 18, 2013 at 3:08 am

    The primary process ultimately hurt the party and its eventual nominee

    The primary process is always going to be at least somewhat of a disadvantage to the non-incumbent because the incumbent doesn’t have to fight for the nomination against anyone. They just show up at events and make their case for a second term. Also, isn’t a short, slam bam thank you ma’am primary mean Republicans could easily end up with Rand Paul as the nominee since there wouldn’t be time to really flesh out the candidates or give them time for their true colors to show?

  28. 28.

    PeakVT

    March 18, 2013 at 3:21 am

    Fascinating post. But what about Cole’s mustard?

  29. 29.

    scav

    March 18, 2013 at 3:21 am

    There is the amusement inherent in the touted business friendly business friendly party clutching to its lifeline of being shit at branding.

    And weren’t all the debates pushed as stealing a trick from the Hilary-Obama-Edwards slugfest that was the last trick that catapulted the undeserving into the White House? Hard to keep up.

    Slightly different possible source of upcoming fun, although I doubt we’ll be so lucky as to hear much of it BBC show about MI6 and CIA and the dodgy info about WMD in Iraq. Seems to be a fair bit more re-examination of claims on that side of the Atlantic in at least some venues. Iraq war planning wholly irresponsible, say senior UK military figures
    .

  30. 30.

    Villago Delenda Est

    March 18, 2013 at 3:29 am

    @Linkmeister:

    The only “entitlement reform” this country really needs is a 100% inheritance tax on the top 1%.

  31. 31.

    MeDrewNotYou

    March 18, 2013 at 4:29 am

    @dance around in your bones: Thanks! Raising Arizona looks great; I just added it and will probably watch it next weekend. Blood Simple isn’t on Netflix, so I’ll poke around a bit for it.

    @Spaghetti Lee: Caveat: I’m from Indiana, so there’s a bit of a tilt to the right. However my experience probably isn’t all that dissimilar from most young white males. And of course while this might apply to guys I personally know, they’re broad generalizations otherwise.

    Of all the guys I went to school with, all but a couple* that have become interested in politics have headed to the GOP. (Mostly ‘Republicans who call themselves libertarians to get laid,’ but one or two true believers.) I think the whole idea of ‘Us’ being under siege is a big factor. I don’t know any who are flat-out racists and I seriously doubt any even think they have a problem with minorities. They just have a sense that they aren’t getting a fair shake while Shaniqua and Pedro (And god do I hate hearing those names come up every time. I know what you fucking mean, even if you don’t!) have it made on food stamps and welfare. They have no class consciousness but they’re unconsciously race conscious, if that makes any sense.

    When it comes to women, things are pretty similar. No one would say they have any issues, but their rights always end up taking precedence especially on the issue of rape. Unless you’ve got a gun to her head, it wasn’t really rape. ABL had a post earlier about false reports in the UK and that struck me as something that many young men would laugh at; there’s no way that only .6% of reported rapes are false, it simply has to be much higher.

    I’m optimistic about sexual orientation. That’s steadily being educated (“I know a gay guy and he’s cool.”) and shamed (being called out as a homophobe is increasingly a big deal) away. Young white guys might be approaching it from a more libertarian/mind-your-own-business angle, but homosexuality really won’t be an issue soon. Sexual identity is a little dicier, since it takes a lot from the attitude towards women, so I really don’t know about it.

    With race and sex, though, there is no easy solution. Until you figure out it isn’t blacks or Hispanics screwing you but the rich and powerful, you’re easy to fool on that front. And even if you realize black people have it worse than you, there’s always another minority to blame. As to coming around on women, I have no idea. Other than realizing that their rights are as important as yours, I don’t know how to make white men come around.

    *-Interestingly, the two that are lefties are the two smartest people I know and both are practically socialists, even though we have no idea how to get there.

  32. 32.

    The prophet Nostradumbass

    March 18, 2013 at 4:30 am

    You know what’s awesome?

    When you go out to the garage to do some laundry, and when you come in, and open the door, you’ve smeared a dog shit all over the floor, from a dog you don’t actually particularly want in the house, but the owner of it doesn’t care, and basically laughs at you while you clean it up.

  33. 33.

    MeDrewNotYou

    March 18, 2013 at 4:53 am

    @MeDrewNotYou: My post was getting a bit long, but I wanted to add couple more things.

    First about birth control and abortion. The split on this is more of a fundie vs non-fundie thing. Probably obvious but worth mentioning.

    Secondly, since the politics of my group are so different from mine, I should describe a bit of my background. I come from a union home from my mother being in the UAW, even though she wasn’t and isn’t active at all, so I had a sense of corporations and the rich and powerful as, if not our enemy, at least not our friend. As for women and LGBT issues, we were nominally Christian but my parents were honestly just not that into it by the time they had kids. (Although they were Pentecostals for awhile, fortunately they left because my dad didn’t like the fact that their church had an informal dress code.) It bears mentioning that my mom was always the breadwinner and my dad could never get and/or keep a good job for more than a couple years at a time. Personally I don’t think that having a strong female had much of an effect on me, but you can speculate. Of the guys that I know enough about, I didn’t see a discernible pattern to their parents and their views on women. My best friend comes from a strong Catholic background with the father clearly running things, but he’s a socialist with sane views while still staying in the Church.

    Don’t judge me too harshly for taking a nap now and reading the rest of the thread later in the morning.

  34. 34.

    Baud

    March 18, 2013 at 6:00 am

    I don’t know why people think better marketing will be ineffective. Look at the week long love fest Rand Paul received from supposedly intelligent people for saying absolutely nothing of substance on drones.

  35. 35.

    danielx

    March 18, 2013 at 6:02 am

    To improve its image, the party will spend $10 million as part of an outreach program that will send people to all corners of the country, with a particular focus on hiring new political directors to reach out to minority voting blocs.

    To improve its image? Reince, baby, repeat after me: you can’t polish a turd, no matter how much gilt you may brush on it.

    He’s got it right about how the Rethugs should cut down on the number of debates, most particularly primary debates – watching teh crazy in full flow didn’t do the party’s image much good. That’s just considering the audience reaction to some of the topics. Then there were the candidates…

    Also, too – what about the mustard? Did Cole search all night? Did he end up going to an all night grocery?

  36. 36.

    NotMax

    March 18, 2013 at 6:08 am

    @

    Also, too – what about the mustard? Did Cole search all night? Did he end up going to an all night grocery?

    One would hope that he simply hiked down the street to the parents’ house and borrowed some.

  37. 37.

    Hoodie

    March 18, 2013 at 6:12 am

    Of course it’s the policies that are the problem. Just addressing Priebus on his own terms, he doesn’t understand marketing and branding. Priebus thinks that there is some “essence” to Republicanism that is not being captured by the brand, when the opposite is the case. They’ve undermined a pretty successful brand with 30 years of lunatic policies and rhetoric that are completely out of tune with the market. Probably had a lot to do with the sanctification of Reagan, which represented a misunderstanding of why Reagan was relatively popular. Now, they mostly appeal to shoppers that are locked into the brand for the wrong reasons, mostly old farts afraid of losing something that never really existed, kind of like guys that kept buying Dodges, Fords and Buicks in the 80’s and 90’s out of some misplaced sense of brand loyalty when they were putting out some truly shit cars. The Catholic Church has much of the same problem, good brand, shitty management.

  38. 38.

    aimai

    March 18, 2013 at 7:16 am

    @Ash Can:

    Given the outreach at CPAC I assume the outreach will be wearing the stars and bars, armed, and demanding a return to segregation.

  39. 39.

    amk

    March 18, 2013 at 7:37 am

    mittbot lost by nearly 5 million. That’s two bucks a vote. Yup, that’s the ticket.

  40. 40.

    amk

    March 18, 2013 at 7:38 am

    The Greedy Old Perverts don’t need better candidates, just better salesmanship!

    Shall I tweet it or will you?

  41. 41.

    Donut

    March 18, 2013 at 7:54 am

    @Baud:

    Agreed. The GOP was doing pretty well focusing on marketing right up until 2006, at least on the national level.

    And 2010’s call to action message was strong enough to scare and compel old honkies to turn out fairly well for them.

    The combination of colossally bad fuck-ups (the entire GWB presidency) and demographics make it more of a challenge for them to stick with the same program, but they are just dong what they’ve always done. They may yet make more gains in 2014. I wouldn’t start mocking them yet.

  42. 42.

    amk

    March 18, 2013 at 7:59 am

    @Donut:

    And 2010′s call to action message was strong enough to scare and compel old honkies to turn out fairly well for them.

    One billion and bat shit crazy attacks against the kenyan and the dems and yet nothing to show for it. Time to stop hyperventilating about what the wingers will do and take the fight to them.

  43. 43.

    Donut

    March 18, 2013 at 8:06 am

    @Hoodie:

    Marketing, when done right, works on some basic emotional principles:

    Fear.

    Uncertainty.

    Doubt.

    FUD.

    If you can successfully exploit those three emotions, and you offer a compelling reason for people to act on them, you’re most of the way there at closing the sale.

    Again, the GOP has been pretty successful by and large since the Nixon era at doing this. It’s not as simple as saying “their policies suck, so we will win.” We as Democrats have to do way better in the off-year elections at using the same principles of marketing to turn out our voters.

    Even though the Obama campaign of the ’08 cycle was pretty upbeat, it still used the same basic ideasmof exploiting fear, uncertainty and doubt to motivate people and get them to take positive actions. More of that, please, on a district by district level, and we will be in better shape.

  44. 44.

    Bobby Thomson

    March 18, 2013 at 8:09 am

    @Linkmeister:

    I wish Obama would stop mentioning “entitlement” reform. I hate relying on the insanity of House Republicans to keep SocSec, Medicare and Medicaid intact.

    This. It’s been a safe bet, but eventually someone will win a game of chance with a wheel that puts comments into moderation if they play long enough.

  45. 45.

    Ash Can

    March 18, 2013 at 8:38 am

    @MeDrewNotYou:

    I don’t know any who are flat-out racists…

    Um…

    They just have a sense that they aren’t getting a fair shake while Shaniqua and Pedro (And god do I hate hearing those names come up every time. I know what you fucking mean, even if you don’t!) have it made on food stamps and welfare.

    Yeah, you do. Remember what Lee Atwater said. You don’t have to stand up and say “I hate ni-CLANGs” out loud to be racist.

    As a white American myself, I’d say White America is long overdue for a refresher course on the meaning of racism. Just thinking that we’re not doesn’t make it so.

  46. 46.

    ET

    March 18, 2013 at 8:42 am

    It’s not just that the RNC has an image problems, because in point of fact they do. Unfortunately if Reince thinks that the only problem with the RNC is that it looks like it run by/for rich white guys his plans are doomed. Yes it looks like the party is run by/for rich white guys but that is because in reality it actually is run by/for rich white guys.

  47. 47.

    Patricia Kayden

    March 18, 2013 at 8:45 am

    “Obama told Democrats they should be more willing to revise entitlement programs in return for Republicans giving in on the revenue front.”

    I hope this never happens. Why do entitlement programs need to be revised? And what type of revisions? Hope Dems push back against President Obama on this front.

  48. 48.

    Cassidy

    March 18, 2013 at 8:47 am

    fewer debates

    Translated: Stop letting them know what we think.

  49. 49.

    The Other Bob

    March 18, 2013 at 8:52 am

    Ari Fleisher (sp?) was on CNN this monring. Good news, Ari is the head of the outreach project and he is f-ucking clueless.

    Half his talking points ware about how Democrats aren’t winning seniors, white people, religous people, etc. so Dems have just as big of a problem.

    I guess math is still their weaknesss since the groups Dems do bad with is a group that is shrinking.

    He then went on to say how the Dems won’t let forced-birthers into the party, but they allow abortion rights supporters – completely backwards of course. I know of a bunch of anti-abortion Dems in office in my state.

  50. 50.

    Hoodie

    March 18, 2013 at 9:07 am

    @Donut: You’re right, the Dems probably have more of the types of problems that can be addressed by better marketing, which is something Obama has done but the rest of the party is not so good at. The Republicans have a product problem. As you point out, emotions set up the sale; the thing that closes the sale is tying all of those emotions to a product in a coherent, positive manner. Fear and uncertainty can be reasonable reactions to an environment, but they only take you so far; you need a solution. The GOP is trying to sell solutions that have no logically compelling path to the future, i.e., they don’t effectively deal with the things that cause the fear and uncertainty. A lot of it is downright counterintuitive: we have to cut entitlements now so we don’t have to maybe cut them in the future, we need to drill more even though we know we’re running out of oil, we need to make people work longer even though we already have high unemployment, we need cut to taxes on high incomes even though we’ve been doing that for decades without any improvement in unemployment or real wages, we need all these non-white people to turn into white people or self-deport, etc.

  51. 51.

    russell

    March 18, 2013 at 9:18 am

    the problem isn’t that folks think the republicans are old stuffy white men.

    the problem is that folks think the republicans are dicks. selfish, entitled jerks.

  52. 52.

    Jeremy

    March 18, 2013 at 9:28 am

    @Patricia Kayden: Well it depends on the reforms. Not all reforms are bad because the dems already reformed and improved medicare through ACA by getting rid of 700 billion going to providers. Some of the reforms the president has mentioned is making wealthy seniors pay more for medicare through premiums, reducing provider payments, and money to pharmaceuticals. Ways of making medicare more efficient and insolvent.

    The problem is that we need to reform medicare one way or the other because the program will be insolvent (an automatic benefit cut) if we do nothing. With an aging population and health care costs increasing because of greater demand for services medicare and medicaid are becoming the biggest thing bloating the budget. As liberals we can’t put out our heads in the sand and say do nothing because that would be like the right with their : no taxes ever idea. Their is a difference between smart reforms and bad ones and we should be having a debate on that.

  53. 53.

    artem1s

    March 18, 2013 at 9:29 am

    @Spaghetti Lee:

    the GOP still thinks the way to get the youngs to identify with them is to make them see that the new GOP is part of the cool crowd (and by cool I mean those guys who like to chase down kids who they deem effeminate and forcibly cut their hair).

    the clue bus has arrived and Reince still refuses to get on it.

  54. 54.

    Maude

    March 18, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Aren’t the people the GOP is trying to get votes from now the same people that the GOP was using voter suppression on?

  55. 55.

    Jay in Oregon

    March 18, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Alternate post title:

    “Lather, Reince, Repeat”

  56. 56.

    Mike in NC

    March 18, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Rince and a few other RNC rocket scientists were on MSNBC yesterday and they all agreed it merely came down to buying into better technology, since their policies and agenda are beyond perfection at this point.

  57. 57.

    Elizabelle

    March 18, 2013 at 10:18 am

    @James E. Powell:

    You can’t use reasoning to talk someone out of a position that he didn’t get to using reasoning.

    Well said, and true. You have to have a story that resonates with the listener’s emotions, and then they will listen to you.

    Maybe.

    Sad, but there you have it.

  58. 58.

    MeDrewNotYou

    March 18, 2013 at 11:30 am

    @Ash Can: A couple hours late, but hopefully you’ll catch this.

    I meant that these were guys who had actual flesh and blood black friends, not the kind a called-out racist has, guys who would never say wetback. Any racial animus would be couched deep inside and never articulated- things just feel unfair, but the black friend they know is still okay. Atwater’s strategy was and is brilliant because it let’s you act on those darker impulses and feelings without having to wear the hood, or admit to yourself any uncomfortable things.

    I agree with you, though, that yeah, folks like that are racist. I’ve noticed a lot of times when “Is X a racist?” discussions come up and the act was genuinely bad, the person is a racist, end of story and motivations are thrown out. I agree with the judgment, but am often uncomfortable with the process lumping together the KKK and this week’s dipshit. The GOP’s policies have sometimes been worse than being terrorized by the KKK; condemning you and your group to a life poverty and crime is worse than terrorism. But I don’t think the average GOP voter and probably even politician thinks they’re empowering this colossal evil while the average KKK member knows exactly what he’s doing. Much of the GOP base really is brainwashed into thinking that their policies are good for the group in question.

    This distinction is important to me*. While the traditional racist probably isn’t going to see the light no matter what happens, most folks can probably be taught to recognize and correct their views on race. How easily and what it takes are a separate issue.

    *- And I’ll admit that I have a personal stake here. Lots of my family have the crypto-racist thing going and I don’t want to damn them all when I know that most of them are at heart good people who just haven’t confronted the issue.

    ETA- To more directly address what you said, a lot of the guys I know are ‘fixable’ racists. The GOP only appeals to them because of ignorance and myths about welfare queens and whatnot. Treat that and they’ll probably come around.

  59. 59.

    eyelessgame

    March 18, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    @MeDrewNotYou: Good analysis – but I suddenly had a Reaction to something you said:

    I’m optimistic about sexual orientation. That’s steadily being educated (“I know a gay guy and he’s cool.”) and shamed (being called out as a homophobe is increasingly a big deal) away. Young white guys might be approaching it from a more libertarian/mind-your-own-business angle, but homosexuality really won’t be an issue soon.

    Suddenly, for me, it was 1972. “I’m optimistic about race. That’s steadily being educated (‘I know a black guy and he’s cool.’) and shamed (being called out as a racist is increasingly a big deal) away. Young white guys might be approaching it from a more libertarian/mind-your-own-business angle, but race really won’t be an issue soon.” You’d have heard that all over the place in the early 70s.

    That’s not to say they’re necessarily identical – we’re unlikely to have quite the same problems with orientation as we have had with race – but still, let’s temper the optimism a bit.

  60. 60.

    shortstop

    March 18, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Rinse (Reince) & repeat:

    With full credit to Betty Cracker, author of the Rinse Repeatus nick, of course.

  61. 61.

    MeDrewNotYou

    March 18, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    @eyelessgame: Fair enough, but with other demographics coming around, hopefully the views of white guys won’t be as significant.

  62. 62.

    bcinaz

    March 18, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    With $10million now available for “Minority Outreach” I can just hear the formation of 501(c)s all over nutville, Wingnut Welfare is coming online, just like Wingnut Voter Registration, and Narwhal. We’re gonna build a party with paid consultants.

  63. 63.

    Bubblegum Tate

    March 18, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    What Rinse is saying here is that they need to find some more palatable bread for the shit sandwich they’re desperately attempting to sell to an American electorate that has detected that the sell by date was two decades ago.

    Actually, what he’s saying is even worse: He thinks that the shit sandwich is terrific and that the American people really, really like shit sandwiches, but the GOP put the wrong kind of wrapper on the sandwich, which messed up the sale for them.

  64. 64.

    rikyrah

    March 18, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    the GOP ran a race-based campaign, combined with active voter suppression.

    they believed that they could racebait enough White people to vote for them, while keeping all the ‘ others’ away from the polls.

    They lost damn near every court challenge with regards to voter suppression.

    They never understood that all their OBVIOUS voter suppression did nothing but anger people…and Barack Obama was the beneficiary of that anger…but, people who had ancestors that actually had to count the fucking bubbles in a bar of soap, were willing to crawl over ground glass to get their asses to the polls. – something the GOP refuses to admit.

    I’ve said it before and will continue to say it:
    3. They got SIXTY-ONE PERCENT of the White vote, and got their asses handed to them in the Electoral College and Popular Vote. They are still stunned.

    a) Barack Obama put a stake through the heart of the Southern Strategy….
    b) Barack Obama won the Presidency TWO TIMES without needing ONE FUCKING SOUTHERN STATE. It’s nice that he won the ones that he did…but, even if he hadn’t, he’d still be President – both times.

    I don’t think these things are reported on as much as they should be. I also believe the numbers that shocked not only the GOP, but also the MSM, which was kneedeep in collusion with the GOP, were the numbers for everyone who wasn’t White in this country.

    They thought the Latino Numbers would be bad, but never thought they’d be THAT bad.

    On the other hand, the Asian numbers shocked the fuck out of them…after all the Asians never said anything about all they were observing…they just waited until election day to make their voices heard.

    They were shocked, because, after ignoring the pile of obvious racism thrown at this Presidence since before he ever won the nomination, the MSM had the meme prepared that “Black people are far too sensitive where President Obama is concerned.”

    When it turned out that everyone who wasn’t White in this country thought the same thing…

    That shut them the fuck up in shock.

    They haven’t had a response yet to it.

    I’m STILL waiting for some ‘journalist’ to ask Turtle Lips how it feels to have failed at the ONLY goal he set for himself for 4 years- to make Barack Obama a one-term President.

  65. 65.

    rikyrah

    March 18, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    and about the 10 million dollar “Minority outreach”

    ………………..

    the GOP pretends that Black people didn’t have a REASON for switching to the Democratic Party.

    That the seminal vote for Black people in the 20th Century is whether or not you supported the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act.

    You can talk all the mess you want about ‘ freedom’ that you want…

    but, nothing says freedom to a people who spent 100 years under American Apartheid more than the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act. I don’t give a rat’s ass what you voted on over the course of your life, if you have a vote against the CRA and VRA, or, if, like Rand Paul and his Daddy, you say that you’re against the CRA and VRA, I know who you are to my Black behind – YOU ARE MY ENEMY. PERIOD.

  66. 66.

    mclaren

    March 18, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Describing the GOP as “Greedy old perverts” is outrageous and disgraceful. Everyone knows GOP stands for “Gay Older Pedophile.”

  67. 67.

    Uncle Ebeneezer

    March 18, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    “We’ve done a really lousy job of branding and marketing concealing who we are”

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