Not sure if you are watching the coverage, but they just pumped about 1000 rounds into a boat in some suburb where the suspect was apparently hiding. They are all now standing around waiting to clear the area because they are concerned about explosives. Listening the amount of gunfire that was pumped into this dinghy, they should just move everyone back a couple hundred yards and chuck a damned grenade in the boat, because the decision to kill the kid was already made and carried through.
At any rate, all your Boston talk can go here.
Violet
Boston Globe just tweeted the police have seen him sit up in the boat.
the Conster
Overheard – “I told you not to buy that boat.”
Bill
That boat won’t float
Feudalism Now!
Can we call it a boat anymore? That many rounds, it’s kindling.
thundermonkey
Nytimes blog shows twitter comments indicating those rounds were actually flash-bangs
JCT
They are flash-banging the boat. Trying to confuse him – persistent concerns that he has an explosive vest.
Susan K of the tech support
Tech support note/discovery: When you have multiple browser windows and tabs open (Chrome), with a couple of news live video feeds, and Flash crashes in another window and tab, don’t click the “Stop plugin” button if you don’t want to interrupt the live video feeds. Clicking that button stops Flash everywhere.
Hill Dweller
@Feudalism Now!: Colander
TR
That boat’s now the world’s largest colander.
Urza
@Susan K of the tech support: generally a Flash crash in any Chrome tab will crash it in all tabs
Violet
Someone told NBC news that the boat may have a full tank of gas in it. Probably don’t want to risk that exploding. Nor the potential that the suspect has an explosive vest on.
mistermix
Poor Deval Patrick. If they had put off that news conference for a half hour, he’d look like a genius.
raven
They didn’t put all those rounds IN the boat if the dude is alive.
tbunny
It’s not some suburb. It’s Watertown. Learn some respect. I’ve only seen reports of 20 rounds, not a 1000. It’s happening about 200 yards from where all the police were assembling, press conferences were happening today.
Ben Franklin
They’re waiting for him to bleed out. No witnesses. Suspect motives will die with them
‘Natch.
raven
@tbunny: Yea and if you heard it you’d know it was nowhere near 20 rounds.
gogol's wife
@Ben Franklin:
You are incredibly tiresome.
raven
@Ben Franklin: Too bad you aren’t there, we’d send you down to stop the bleeding.
Elizabelle
@mistermix:
Missed the Deval Patrick newser.
What do you mean?
Violet
Pete Williams on NBC now saying they’ve been told there’s a fire on the boat.
Ted & Hellen
John…um, you’re kind of rumor mongering. The boat has not been peppered with gun fire.
magurakurin
@gogol’s wife:
that’s a kind way to put it.
Comrade Mary
John, if they had put 1000 rounds into a boat with a half full tank, I think that neighbourhood would be rather BRIGHT right now. I really don’t think they’re trying to kill him. I think they want a live prisoner and some answers.
CBS local station has confirmed flash grenades, no bullets, and there are reports that a negotiator may be coming in.
GregB
John King reported 20 rounds.
lamh35
Jeez. this feels like the OJ Broncho chase for a new generation. everyone looking at TV mesmorized
raven
@Comrade Mary: Then the clip they are showing isn’t of this situation.
MattR
@GregB:
So anywhere from 0-1000 is possible.
Comrade Mary
If you want sober reporting, fuck the national news and go local with CBS: http://boston.cbslocal.com/cbs-boston-live-stream/
magurakurin
@raven:
They keep showing the clip on the live feed. I don’t know a flash bang from a gunshot sound, but either way it was way, way more than 20. And if it was flash bangs, there must have been a hundred guys throwing grenades at the same time. Either that or they had a string of of a hundred like fire crackers.
Elizabelle
@GregB:
John King reported ….
What’s wrong with this sentence …
Feudalism Now!
Well if John King is reporting…
quannlace
God, the rumors flying around can put your eye out.
Today they just affirmed that the two brothers never held up a 7/11.
Fort Geek
I counted around 40 rounds (ignoring what sounded like echoes), but that could be one gun closer to the mic drowning the others out.
8:17pm–fire reported aboard the boat…
raven
@raven: This is a flash grenade. This is a MAD MINUTE.
Mr Stagger Lee
Bravo to Exxon Cares Y’All(@aExxon Cares)via twitter about Arkansas newest celebrity, Nate Bell(I know Bobby Petrino is relieved)
raven
@quannlace: About three hours ago.
JPL
Gotta say my son is pretty upset after seeing this
http://www.boston.com/video/?bctid=2312754444001
Ben Franklin
@raven:
I understand there’s been a report that the older bro was wrapped in an IED (John King?0
I understand the concern about boms. Just saying it’s convenient.
TaMara (BHF)
@Hill Dweller: I laughed at that. I’m going to hell.
raven
@Ben Franklin: What do you expect them do do then?
Narcissus
Apparently the boat is on fire now.
I’d say the boat was peppered by gunfire, it sounded like a giant friggin’ jiffy pop.
Mr Stagger Lee
@Mr Stagger Lee: With all these live witnesses being interviewed, I wish there was a Howard Stern fan would go Babba BOOOOEY! and prank these guys.
gogol's wife
Boy, I turned on CBS although I have an ironclad rule to never watch any television that doesn’t involve Robert Osborne or Laura Linney, and it is UNBEARABLE to listen to them talking about nothing while they wait for more bang-bang. I think I have to just follow this through the Balloon Juice filter.
pat
Don’t they usually send someone out with a megaphone pleading with the suspect to give himself up? Or is that only in the movies.
Thousands of police closing in on one kid. Wow.
Susan K of the tech support
@Urza: and yet, the video feeds were going strong even as another tab had the Flash belly-up notice.
Ben Franklin
@raven:
I have never believed they would be taken alive. You tellin’ me you don’t smell some bullshit?
Violet
CNN is just ridiculous. John King absolutely cannot let go of his cell phone.
Comrade Mary
Oh, shit, yeah, smoke rising from the back yard.
Morzer
@Ben Franklin:
Convenient for crackpots with a conspiracy theory to peddle, possibly. For the sane part of the community, not so much.
cyntax
@MattR:
Are we sure John King’s idiocy is bound by conventional physics? Should we expand the range out -1000 to 1000 just to be safe?
raven
OK, they may have thrown in a flash grenade first and then opened up but it is definitely what is known as a fusillade.
Feudalism Now!
If that boat has gas in it, it goes boom anyways. Is the block evacuated of residents?
Morzer
@Ben Franklin:
Yeah, the stench of bullshit and your appearances do seem strongly correlated.
GregB
I am pretty sure this story ends the same way the Christopher Dorner story ends.
DarrenG
No, the boat isn’t on fire. That was misinformation from earlier.
Good, real-time web sources for what’s going on:
http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1cpiyo/live_boston_update_thread_part_8/
http://live.boston.com/Event/MIT_and_Watertown_shootings
Violet
@Feudalism Now!: News said police were being very careful and evacuating residents.
raven
@Ben Franklin: Sorry, just like Dorner. You want to give up give up otherwise just plain fuck you.
Ben Franklin
@Morzer:
Stop currying favor with the locale. It’s unseemly.
MikeJ
@Feudalism Now!:
It’s really pretty difficult to make either gasoline or diesel explode.
rikyrah
who actually thought they intended to take him alive?
come on, now.
raven
@DarrenG: From live Boston
NBC News is reporting that there was a small fire in the boat the bombing suspect is hiding in and that the suspect is bleeding heavily.
Morzer
@Ben Franklin:
Why is it that lunatics like you get off on jerking themselves silly while wearing a red nose and floppy shoes?
tbunny
Raven they actually played a tape of it on local news, so yeah I did hear it.
cyntax
@Ben Franklin:
Meaning what exactly? You were flogging your vague innuendo in the previous thread. If you’re suspicious, what exactly are you suspicious of? Spit out your alternate theory or put a sock in it.
Ben Franklin
@raven:
That’s a fucking evasive response. Doy you smell bullshit…just a whiff mind, you.
raven
@tbunny: And your conclusion?
JPL
@rikyrah: My son thought they could take him alive, just to find out why.
My opinion is those fuckers have screwed the Dream Act.
pat
NBC reporting a “negotiator” on the scene, but are they actually at the boat, talking to him?
Morzer
@Ben Franklin:
I liked you better when you just called yourself Alex Jones.
Violet
@rikyrah: Taking him alive means they have a chance to find out if there are others involved. I think they want him alive so they can get info.
NBC reporting police negotiator is on the scene to try to coax him out.
raven
@Ben Franklin: @cyntax: Evasive? How stupid are you. If he wants to give up great, if not tough shit.
tbunny
Sounded like 20 to me. Multiple witnesses interviewed on the scene said 20. Maybe there was a fusillade after that I don’t know.
raven
@JPL: Sure they could but it’s up to him not the cops.
pat
I can’t believe they would just let this kid bleed out if they could TALK TO HIM and try to convince him to surrender.
Feudalism Now!
ABC is reporting owner of the boat saw blood down side and lifted tarp to see body. He then called the police.
Suffern ACE
@JPL: ok. Really, how? The republicans were going to come up with something to kill this reform, anyway. Seriously, people alive is better than people dead.
tbunny
They’re saying they’re worried about an explosive vest.
Fort Geek
…”police assaulted the boat…” (Pete Williams on MSNBC) just made me flash back on “I attack the gazebo!“
gogol's wife
@raven:
I don’t see what these people think the police could do if he doesn’t want to be taken alive.
Ben Franklin
@cyntax:
You know, I ask a question and I get a question. I am not pimping for any particular theory, except the theory that I am discussing important matters with intelligent humans. Consider something other than the tribe’s Mantra. Of course, that means you will be verklempt with the Hive.
Now, ask me a question that makes sense, like; “Do you think this resembles any other National/International crises’.
Then you might get a genuine response.
Violet
@Feudalism Now!: That’s a dumb thing for the boat owner to do, if it’s true. NBC said homeowner or neighbor noticed a ladder next to the boat where there wasn’t one before and called police to report it.
raven
@tbunny: AR 15 Rate of fire 800 rounds/min. That’s 13 rounds per second. The clip is at least 10 seconds long and it’s more than one weapon.
Morzer
@Ben Franklin:
Are you capable of writing intelligible, coherent English or are we stuck with your ignorance of multiple languages at the same time?
cyntax
@gogol’s wife:
It’s not that they think; it’s that they have suspicions. One substitutes for the other.
Ben Franklin
@raven:
Keericed !
Jackie Robinson Weeps.
Violet
Boston Globe twitter:
raven
@gogol’s wife: Again, there was all kinds of hand wringing about Dorner too.
Ben Franklin
@Morzer:
Tickles a little, eh?
NotMax
Suicide vest: the last word in self-deportation.
/bad taste
gogol's wife
@raven:
Yes, I sat that one out.
Morzer
@Ben Franklin:
So, still unable to put your big theory on the table, eh, Benny? I guess that tinfoil hat must be impeding the decoder in your fillings.
tbunny
I think 1000 rounds is highly unlikely. We’ll find out.
Hal
Negotiator on scene. Isn’t it best to take him alive to find out the full story?
Mornington Crescent
I don’t know if this has been mentioned here because I’ve been out, but the Czech Republic has issued a statement that they are not Chechnya.
raven
@tbunny: I never said 1000 but it goddamn sure wasn’t 20.
SatanicPanic
@NotMax: I am a jerk for snickering at that
Ben Franklin
@Morzer:
Yes, Morzee ! I want to thank you for this evenings comedy relief.
Cheers !
cyntax
@Ben Franklin:
Tribe’s mantra nothing. You’re the one who found it suspicious that there was information about these guys available on the internet.
The irony of posting these suspicions on an internet forum seems to still escape you.
Asking uninformed questions for the sake of simply asking questions in no way represents the pursuit of wisdom or critical thought.
raven
@efgoldman: Whatever.
Bob In Portland
Flash bang sounds like a flash mob orgy.
mclaren
I already posted Bruce Schneier’s admonition to “keep calm and carry on” on another thread, to the usual shitstorm of raging insults and hysterical name-calling.
Now it’s time to post Rich Pearlstein’s article urging everyone to calm down and stop the wild overreaction:
Source: “On Our Politics of Fear,” Rick Pearlstein, The Nation, 19 April 2012.
All too many of the commenters on this forum have become demented with baseless fear. Stop it. Just stop. Calm down. This is not a major incident, the police and FBI will catch the guy, and life will go on.
tbunny
This is the most important conversation ever. John said 1000, I said not a 1000, you’re saying not 20. Let’s give ourselves nobels.
Violet
Boston Glob twitter account:
Suffern ACE
@Mornington Crescent: lol. Touched a sore point.
magurakurin
@Ben Franklin:
The same, boring, endless act of innocence. Every time, every issue you act as if there is no past history with you. Yet, everyone here has read through countless derailed threads where your “questions” lead to a tiresome, useless downward spiral. Yes, if you had never posted here before your “question” could be seen as an innocent, genuine inquiry. Except that shit ain’t the truth…and we all know it, all too well…
Morzer
@Ben Franklin:
And as usual you can’t put your big conspiracy theory on the table, because you don’t have one.
You may now return to howling on demand.
Yap away, little clown.
Elizabelle
@raven:
Raises hand: “I was hand wringing over Dorner too.”
And how is Mrs. Raven this evening?
LAC
@Ben Franklin: I don’t know what is more fucking stupid: this post or your line of day long bullshit.
SatanicPanic
@mclaren:
Speak for yourself
Mezz (fpa Michael2)
Media keep breaking through the perimeter.
Morzer
@magurakurin:
I am getting the impression that not many people in the real world want to talk to our little blog-stalker. I guess they prefer to be friends without Benny.
Feudalism Now!
The boat owner went out after the ban was lifted according to neighbor and was getting some air in his back yard. He saw blood and saw shape under shrink wrap.
Ben Franklin
@cyntax:
And asking supercilious questions which ostensibly makes me incredible, whilst dancing like a Whirling Dervish around those matters you don’t wish to think about, makes you about the dumbest fuck on Earth. Capiche ?
Darkrose
@Fort Geek: The gazebo just sits there.
Mr Stagger Lee
@Violet: Let me guess, they were at Big Dan’s Bar.
raven
@Elizabelle: Good, thanks. Still some pain but we are pretty confident that they got it but only time will tell.
OmerosPeanut
@Darkrose: I throw a flashbang at it.
John O
I don’t think he’s alive enough to come out with his hands up.
Morzer
@Ben Franklin:
You try so hard with those words plucked at random from the internet, don’t you?
Ben Franklin
@magurakurin:
I note your phrase useless downward spiral with a dollop of irony
cyntax
@Ben Franklin:
No. I don’t capiche in the least.
But it’s nice you can find your thesaurus even if you can’t find your meds.
beltane
Police scanner: Suspect in custody! Medic, medic!
There could be many suspects for all kinds of crimes in Watertown at any given moment though.
What is code 17?
Sammi
This reminds me of the 1997 search for Andrew Cunanan, killer of Gianni Versace and others. Miami Beach was not on lockdown but was scared about killer who was on the loose for a few days. He was found on a boat.
Violet
Suspect #2 alive and in custody.
raven
Alive and in custody.
Suffern ACE
Ok he surrendered.
Ben Franklin
@cyntax:
meds
Oh yes, Mea Culpa. Have you ever entertained an original thought?.
NotMax
Just announced: In custody and not dead at this time.
MikeJ
Oh yeah, those eeeevil evil cops just wanted to murder him.
Idiots.
magurakurin
they got him alive…quick call Huckleberry Grahm so we can greenlight his flight to Gitmo…
Jebediah
In custody now, they say.
Unsympathetic
@Ben Franklin: And acting like you’re above it all makes you dumber than him. Capiche? If you want an intelligent discussion, YOU are responsible for that outcome. You want to have a discussion with someone? Then YOU stop taking personal offense or crafting strawmen. YOU subtly re-route it to your desired outcome. If you don’t, YOU are the ass. You’re always responsible for 50% of conversation – you’re never above it. Don’t like it? Deal, leave, and never come back — you won’t be missed.
While i was typing that, he surrendered and is out of the boat.
It’s over. Thank God.
lojasmo
Captured. In custody.
gbear
@Comrade Mary: Thanks for that link. I’ve been hooked for the last 10 minutes. They’re just doing good reporting without speculation.
Just heard that cheering has broken out at the site and police are walking away.
ChrisNYC
I guess they changed their minds about killing him.
Morzer
@Ben Franklin:
Poor Benny Shill, your conspiracy theory just disintegrated into a cloud of bull-farts.
Why does this always happen to you, I wonder?
Comrade Mary
CBS is reporting a sense of relief and even a lot of applause at the scene.
Because they’re all bloodthirsty and genuinely wanted to kill the guy?
Nope. They got him alive.
gogol's wife
@ChrisNYC:
LOLOLOLOL
raven
@ChrisNYC: Unlike Chris Dorner who chose to shoot it out.
Elizabelle
Suspect in custody.
Thank you.
jo6pac
The main theme is we as a country don’t want to hear what he has to say. Then again why would we want to. I’m sorry but tin foil hat on this this doesn’t add up.
Keith G
BPD…… in custody.
raven
Wonder what’s cooking with the other three?
Mr Stagger Lee
And when the trial begins, it will be cable TV bonanza bigger than Casey Anthony.
HinTN
@raven: Gomer sez, “Surprise, surprise, surprise!”
PsiFighter37
Says they got him alive.
Good.
Unsympathetic
@Mr Stagger Lee:
Or Jodi Arias
TooManyJens
@Morzer:
I can’t wait to read the updated theory. This will all prove BF’s point. Somehow.
raven
@Mr Stagger Lee: Trial, in GITMO? Watch these chickenshit motherfuckers start whining about how dangerous it would be to have a trial in the states.
Keith G
Now…Let’s stick a shive in fucking Lindsey Graham and do this process by the numbers.
hilzoy
Yep. Alive, injured, en route to hospital.
cyntax
@Ben Franklin:
Try Ecclesiastes 1:9.
Oh, and looks like at least one of your “suspicions” was wrong: they seem to have the second suspect in custody. Is your next original thought to raise “suspicions” about how he’ll be Jack Ruby-ed?
beltane
A big round of applause for all law enforcement involved with this.
NotMax
C’mon, reporters. It’s a trivial sidebar point, but what is the name of the boat?
ChrisNYC
@raven: No, no, no. You don’t understand the new internetty version of due process. You do whatever you want, kill, harm whoever you want and then hole up, preferably taking shots at the cops outside. The important part is — whatever you do, refuse to submit to process. Then, when you decide to commit suicide by cop, you were DENIED process. And, you were not killed, you were assassinated. You are now a martyr. It’s very tricky.
Bobby Thomson
That is surprising. Really excellent work.
I hope the boat owner has good homeowner’s insurance.
GregB
@raven:
Huckleberry Graham for 500 Alex?
Feudalism Now!
Shots were fired by suspect not police. Police instructed not to return fire and use stun grenades and robots to rock boat and knock it over.
Unsympathetic
@jo6pac:
All conspiracy theories fail Occam’s Razor. This isn’t a false flag operation, this isn’t TheNextGreatPlotToStealGuns!!11ELEVENTY
MattR
@TooManyJens: Didn’t you know the older brother isn’t really dead but the gov’t is whisking him away to Gitmo in secret? I am actually shocked I have not heard this conspiracy floated yet followed by calls to allow the public to see the body.
lojasmo
I’m sure Ben Franklin will toddle along to eat crow in one of the next few comments.
Ben Franklin
@cyntax:
No. It’s good news he’s alive. It’s the only chance we have of knowing wtf is going on.
Ben Franklin
@lojasmo:
And just why would I do that Lojam?
lamh35
Ok, I am now a CBS News and Scott Pelley convert. CBS news has been the most calm, cool and collected of all the national nets and cable news net. Mr Pelley’s calm demeanor and the news staff cautionary reporting was well appreciated in comparison to the other idiot news programs.
gogol's wife
@Ben Franklin:
BECAUSE YOU’VE BEEN INSINUATING ALL DAY THAT THE BOSTON POLICE WERE GOING TO ASSASSINATE HIM.
Hal
Alive and in custody. Definitely white. Kidding. Kind of.
Morzer
@lojasmo:
Oh Clown Prince Benny will turn up to explain that this just proves that law enforcement had planned to kill the guy, but once he told the world the TRUTH (in kook kapitals) they decided to keep the guy alive just to cover up the real conspiracy.
D
NBC reports that suspect has been captured. Idiot talking head immediately begins “rhetorically” asking whether or not he should be subject to “military style” interrogation or given a Miranda warning. I had totally forgot that such beliefs were even plausible until NBC helpfully reminded me that “some people believe” that we should torture (ahem, “military style” I mean) this kid, and “others disagree. Great example of how our establishment media legitimizes positions that all right thinking people think are atrocious.
Violet
Boston Globe twitter:
Darkrose
@OmerosPeanut: It just sits there. It’s a gazebo.
Ben Franklin
@gogol’s wife:
I said it was unlikely they’d take him alive. Get over yourself.
Elizabelle
And now, the next time our Tea Partying relatives start whingeing about do nothing government employees and why do we pay taxes …
This has been the week to put the lie to that.
Thank you, first responders and law enforcement in so many jurisdictions.
Comrade Mary
@Violet: OK. Awkward.
cyntax
@Ben Franklin:
Depends how you mean that. If you’re talking about logistical issues and whether they had help, then yes.
As to his motivations, maybe. He may not be able to explain his actions in any way that is meaningful to the rest of us.
Unsympathetic
@lojasmo:
Of course he won’t reply when he’s called out and proven wrong. He’s not man enough – he’s just a pathetic troll who can’t deal with anyone who doesn’t knuckle under to his bullying.
The less respect shown to Ben Franklin the better this community will be. His entire plan is to ride out the people who call him out.
Nothing ever said by Ben Franklin is ever correct – or will ever be considerate.
Keith G
BTW, I am buoyed by the smiles I see on BPD officers. I am sure they have taken this very personally. Good for them. They have acted with great sill and honor.
Huzzah!
Violet
Boston Globe twitter:
Conscious. Amazing.
Elizabelle
@lamh35:
Great to hear.
gogol's wife
@Keith G:
This.
David Koch
Free
MumiaBradley ManningDzhokhar!NotMax
All in all, a Yogi Berra moment:
“It ain’t over ’til it’s over.”
JCT
@Violet: Huge big deal.
Feudalism Now!
@Darkrose: Darn, those were +1 flash bangs. I run away from the gazebo.
Unsympathetic
@Violet:
And slightly injured/weakened from an untreated bullet wound.. well done Boston PD!
Svensker
I was really hoping for the kid’s sake that he would have died. He’s 19, screwed up by his big brother, will be in prison for the rest of his life, hated by all — choice of living in solitary or having snot beat out of him regularly, or worse, by other prisoners. It’s just a terrible tragedy. He would have been better off dead.
Odie Hugh Manatee
Good thing that this is over, the epileptics in the Boston area can stop having seizures from all of the flashing lights.
Darkrose
@Feudalism Now!: Psych! The gazebo is really a level 80 shapeshifting dracolich! Roll a d20 to see if there’s enough left for a Resurrect, or if you’re going to need a Wish spell.
(This is why I don’t GM.)
Elizabelle
@Svensker:
I dunno, does that happen in federal prisons? I really don’t know.
I am thinking he has some shot at redemption down the line, and a life of remorse, and he must like to read.
His future is not what he expected, but he’s got one. Unlike little Martin Richard.
Keith G
@Svensker: No. 1) We need answers. 2) The system needs to publicly work.
Mike E
@Ben Franklin: Uh oh, looks like somebody was wrong on the internet. Eww.
Fort Geek
@raven: Best wishes on the medical stuff.
Keith G
@Elizabelle: He would go to a super max prison. There he will only talk to a very few other human beings for the rest of his life.
ChrisNYC
@Svensker: I frankly couldn’t care less about him. I wasn’t all that horrified by any of it until the video of the two of them yesterday. And just, the backward caps, the striding around their soon-to-be-victims — that knowing, imagine walking around among people, seeing their faces and carrying that fucking knowing (“some of you may be dead soon because of my backpack”) and going through with it. Ugh. Sickening. You killed an 8 year old, tough guys. And gave his mother a brain injury. He can read, he can walk, he can think, he can eat, he can see the sun. It’s more than he gave to others.
Mr Stagger Lee
So I guess the movie script is being written right now and I think Ben Affleck will play the negotiator and Matt Damon as an FBI investigator. Got to throw in Donnie and Mark Wahlberg in there too.
Feudalism Now!
@Darkrose: I throw my Head of Vecna at him.
Darkrose
@Feudalism Now!: Head of Vecna trumps everything. You win, sir.
Also, thanks. I needed the laugh.
Keith G
@Mr Stagger Lee: With a cameo role for Oscar Pistorius is he is free.
Too soon?
Svensker
@Elizabelle: @Keith G:
Oh, I agree with all those things. It’s just that I’m a mom with a kid who not long ago was 19 and that’s terribly young. What he’s facing, unless he’s a monster and I don’t think he is, may be less preferable than death, for him.
Well, we shall see. I hope we get answers, I hope the system works, and I hope there’s redemption. What a fucking waste the whole thing has been.
On a positive note, BPD seems to have done a fantastic job. They really should be proud of themselves.
Fort Geek
@NotMax: Might need to be rechristened as “Colander.”
Violet
@Mr Stagger Lee: Heh. No kidding.
Bobby Thomson
@Elizabelle:
I see someone isn’t familiar with federal pound me in the ass prison.
Fort Geek
@Mr Stagger Lee: Beiber is the misunderstood loner immigrant who decides to make beliebers outta everyone.
Marmot
@MikeJ: MikeJ rules.
Elizabelle
pbo on