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You are here: Home / Popular Culture / Gamer Dork / Reverse Viagra

Reverse Viagra

by John Cole|  May 12, 201310:23 pm| 92 Comments

This post is in: Gamer Dork, Television

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Alright, folks, strap yourselves in, because this is about to get nerdier than a Star Trek marathon at a physics convention, but I just watch tonight’s GoT, and it was just awesome. No spoilers, but a lot of really big plot turns tonight, so I called my brother, and halfway through the conversation, I asked him the following question, which I will now pose to you:

“If all the GoT characters were AD&D toons (RIP again, Gary Gygax), what would their alignment be?”

Here are a few in my estimation:

Ned Stark: Lawful Good
Robert Barathian: Chaotic Good
John Snow: Lawful Neutral
Brianne: Lawful Neutral

And so on. So, where do you think they all line up. BTW- Ygritte, the Hound, and Brianne remain my favorite characters other than Tyrian.

Also too, someone on VEEP just referred to some other cast members as “Laurel and Retardy,” and I shot tea all over my laptop. Almost as good as Retardo Montalban.

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  1. 1.

    Zam

    May 12, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Robert Baratheon, Jon Snow, Brienne. Also pretty sure I saw this thread a long while back on some Ice and Fire site.

  2. 2.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 12, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    lolwut

  3. 3.

    MattR

    May 12, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: I think I’m gonna return to the previous thread from whence I came.

  4. 4.

    mikefromArlington

    May 12, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    Khaleesi – chaotic neutral

  5. 5.

    ulee

    May 12, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    If I could be any animal I would be an aardvark. But I’ve only had two beers so I’m just getting started on the alphabet.

  6. 6.

    Librarian

    May 12, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    John, I’ve come to the conclusion that you really, really need to get laid. As soon as possible.

  7. 7.

    Keith

    May 12, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    My personal fave is still Kenny Power’s story about him and his brother beating up the retarded kids down the road. The more tasteless, the better.

  8. 8.

    Heywood J.

    May 12, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    That is weird; last week during Littlefinger’s “chaos is a ladder” speech, I kept trying to decide whether he was CE or CN

    Tyrion — NG or Neutral
    Varys — Neutral
    Tywin — LE

    And Jesus, poor Theon….

  9. 9.

    Morbo

    May 12, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    Ahem.

  10. 10.

    me

    May 12, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    Tyrion probably shifts from Lawful Neutral to Chaotic Neutral over the course of the books especially after ….

    John Snow is definitely good not neutral.

  11. 11.

    Redshirt

    May 12, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    Ghost is Lawful Good

  12. 12.

    sherparick

    May 12, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    In last week’s episode, a certain character told Theon Greyjoy, “If you think this has a happy ending, you have not been paying attention.”

    Aarya Stark tells us how far she has gone on her dark journey.

    Several ways the shows are diverging from the books. Much of this is driven by economy, but actually in somew ways this makes a tighter story.

    Surprisingly, Jaimie Lannister, despite the the Bran tossing incident, is becoming a favorite. It seems that both Tyrion and Jaimie want to become decent human beings somewhat in spite (or is that to spite, their father).

  13. 13.

    Pat

    May 12, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    Robert’s got to be Chaotic Neutral at best. After all, he was more than willing to have a 13 year old girl murdered (Danerys) to solidify his hold on the throne.

    If anyone could be considered “Good” in the show/book, I would have thought it would be Brienne.

  14. 14.

    dewzke

    May 12, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    My spelling might suck but I think it’s Tyrion. He and Jon Snow are my favorites.

  15. 15.

    dewzke

    May 12, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    I love Aarya’s character as well.

  16. 16.

    Draven

    May 12, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    I’m trying to think of anyone that is truly Chaotic Evil among the main characters other than Joffrey, but am drawing a blank. Even Jaime and Cercei are probably best considered to be Chaotic Neutral: they’re more nihilistic than actually evil. In fact, I predict a lot of moral Neutrals. A big theme of the story is that good and evil aren’t so clear-cut, and there’s a whole lotta gray.

  17. 17.

    Nerdlinger

    May 12, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    You misspelled Baratheon and Brienne. How dare you call yourself a nerd. For shame!

  18. 18.

    John 2.0

    May 12, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    Only season 1, but MGK’s got you covered:

    http://mightygodking.com/2011/06/14/alignment-chart-game-of-thrones-season-one/

  19. 19.

    scottinnj

    May 12, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    Arya:Lawful Neutral
    Margary: Chaotic Neutral
    Littlefinger: Chaotic Evil

  20. 20.

    Redshirt

    May 12, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    Hodor: Neutral Hodor

  21. 21.

    Lige

    May 12, 2013 at 11:24 pm

    Littlefinger – Neutral Evil
    Stannis – lawful neutral
    Daenyrs – Neutral Good
    Tyrian – Neutral (Good)
    John Snow – Lawful Good
    The Hound – Neutral
    Bronn – Neutral Evil

  22. 22.

    Villago Delenda Est

    May 12, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    Tyrian is far and away my favorite, but I’m a big Arya fan too. Yes, I know Daenrys has dragons, yadda yadda yadda…

  23. 23.

    jon

    May 12, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    @Redshirt: I have him pegged as True Hodor, but I can go with your assessment. After all, when confronted by that dilemma that one time, his response of “Hodor” showed us deep glimpses of his character. Or maybe he was just saying he had something in his teeth?

  24. 24.

    PeakVT

    May 12, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    You know nothing, Jon Cole.

  25. 25.

    BGinCHI

    May 12, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    Leotardo Montalban was Brian Boitano’s live-in buttler.

  26. 26.

    Yatsuno

    May 12, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    @BGinCHI: That is the most interesting comment I’ve seen in this thread.

  27. 27.

    red dog

    May 12, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    Ygritte is the only one I trust beside Hodor of course.

  28. 28.

    Annamal

    May 12, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    Gregor Clegane or one of the Boltons for chaotic evil?

  29. 29.

    RobertDSC-PowerMac G5 Dual

    May 13, 2013 at 12:01 am

    @PeakVT:
    LOL.

  30. 30.

    The prophet Nostradumbass

    May 13, 2013 at 12:02 am

    Ygritte is Chaotic Sexy, particularly in cave pools.

  31. 31.

    Jockey Full of Malbec

    May 13, 2013 at 12:03 am

    A potentially helpful chart

  32. 32.

    Linnaeus

    May 13, 2013 at 12:06 am

    @Annamal:

    Gregor Clegane or one of the Boltons for chaotic evil?

    Ramsay, maybe. I wouldn’t say Gregor Clegane is chaotic evil – I’d say more lawful evil because of his service to the Lannisters.

  33. 33.

    patroclus

    May 13, 2013 at 12:17 am

    I think that Kingslayer is the most honourable man in all of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros. He’s got some serious cojones! But Theon doesn’t…

  34. 34.

    Steeplejack

    May 13, 2013 at 12:20 am

    Empty message to establish new e-mail address.

  35. 35.

    max

    May 13, 2013 at 12:23 am

    “If all the GoT characters were AD&D toons (RIP again, Gary Gygax), what would their alignment be?”

    Good Lord, John, that’s not nerdy… well, it is a bit nerdy, but it’s not true deep nerdiness. More geeky than anything. (Way too much fucking going on to be nerdy. No, the AD&D reference is quasi-nerdy. Now, debating the merits of some AD&D versus your character or some other AD&D monster, that’s nerdy. And depending on how far you go with it, geeky.)

    (I’m not generally much for fantasy (never read The Hobbit, didn’t see the movies) but since GRRM wrote Sandkings, the best horror story ever written, I’d figure I’d give the show a whirl. (Not the books, GRRM does tend to run off at the mouth.) True nerdiness is what I’ve been doing which is noting all the similarities to the War of the Roses. Westeros is Great Britain, the wildlings are Picts, essentially, the Stark lands are Scotland and the North of England, Lannister == Lannister, Tyrell == Tyrell (really!), etc. Daenerys is basically in fucking Asia Minor or some shit right now.)

    Heywood: That is weird; last week during Littlefinger’s “chaos is a ladder” speech, I kept trying to decide whether he was CE or CN

    Littefinger is definately Chaotic Evil, as is Cersei. Joffrey is Neutral Evil, and I agree – Tywin is LE. Tyrion is Chaotic Good, and Jaime is Lawful Neutral or Lawful Good, depending on your interpretation of his circumstances. (He should stay the hell away from his sister.)

    I’d put Varys down as Lawful Neutral (at worst), depending on what you think of the tortures he’s inflicting on his pet wizard there. Pycelle is Lawful Evil.

    Arya is going to wind up being Chaotic Neutral, even if she was Chaotic Good to start with. Sansa is a stereotypical teenage girl (nothing wrong with that, even if it is clueless), so no alignment I can see. Ned was Lawful Good, as is Robb, Cat is Lawful Neutral and Bran & Rickon are kids. Snow is likely Neutral Good. Theon was Chaotic Neutral or Neutral Good, until he had a spasm of Chaotic Evil. His tormentor is fairly Neutral Evil, otherwise he’d just have offed Theon, but he’s doing it for kicks at this point.

    Robert was Chaotic Neutral I think, Renly the same, Stannis is Lawful Neutral, as is Davos. I haven’t made up my mind about the Red Lady. (Shireen is a kid too, although obviously Good of some sort.) Gendry isn’t clear yet.

    The Queen of Thorns is Neutral I think, and Margery is Chaotic Neutral. Dunno about Loras.

    Daenerys is probably Lawful Good (she is freeing slaves after all).

    I really hope Robb is smart enough to dispatch Oona Chaplin off somewhere with his child, but I expect he won’t. I don’t think Gendry will die, since Stannis didn’t die from the same ritual, and it would be messy to have no Baratheon bastards about, but we’ll see.

    max
    [‘Well, that was amusing.’]

  36. 36.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    May 13, 2013 at 12:24 am

    No message, just a new e-mail address. Demoderation requested.

  37. 37.

    Steeplejack (tablet)

    May 13, 2013 at 12:28 am

    No msg, new e-mail address. Demoderation, please.

  38. 38.

    Comrade Mary

    May 13, 2013 at 12:41 am

    Meanwhile, Batman is Abject Failure, because he had a chance to deal effectively with Joffrey, but he blew it.

  39. 39.

    JK

    May 13, 2013 at 12:53 am

    Ned: Lawful Good
    Catelyn: Lawful Neutral
    Robb: Lawful Good
    Jon Snow: Neutral Good

    Robert: Chaotic Neutral
    Renly: Chaotic Neutral
    Stannis: Lawful Neutral

    Tywin: Lawful Evil
    Jaime: True Neutral
    Cersei: Neutral Evil
    Tyrion: Chaotic Neutral
    Joffrey: Chaotic Evil

    Daenerys: Chaotic Good
    Littlefinger: Chaotic Neutral
    Varys: True Neutral

  40. 40.

    Suzanne

    May 13, 2013 at 12:57 am

    This situation with my mom is unbelievably shitty and getting worse, and I can’t make it better.

    This is awful and I hate my life right now.

  41. 41.

    ruemara

    May 13, 2013 at 1:09 am

    @Suzanne: I’m sorry. I can’t say I recall the situation, but whatever it is, I’m truly sorry and I know this is trite, but hold on. Things do change. The pendulum does swing in your favour.

    And JC, that is hella nerdy.

  42. 42.

    Morbo

    May 13, 2013 at 1:10 am

    Red Wings in 7, that is all.

  43. 43.

    patroclus

    May 13, 2013 at 1:10 am

    @Comrade Mary: If Batman had only killed him, many lives in Westeros would have been saved!

    That kid – Jack Gleeson – is a good actor because so many people just HATE him!

  44. 44.

    Herbal Infusion Bagger

    May 13, 2013 at 1:14 am

    Theon is Chaotic Shat On.

  45. 45.

    Herbal Infusion Bagger

    May 13, 2013 at 1:19 am

    Little finger is *Lawful Evil*, folks. Joffrey is Chaotic Stupidly Evil. Melisandre is either Neutral or Neutral Evil, depending in whether the Red God is gonna save everybody’s asses from the White Walkers or not. Victarion Greyjoy is Neutral Evil. Renly and Loras are Chaotic Fabulous.

  46. 46.

    The prophet Nostradumbass

    May 13, 2013 at 1:29 am

    “You pay me to kill people who bother you. The evil notions come free”.

  47. 47.

    Liquid

    May 13, 2013 at 1:31 am

    Dear John,

    item 1a) Happy Mother’s Day!
    item 1b) Your egregious remark about Lena Headey.
    item 1c) Go to Hell.
    item 1d) If I were Human.

  48. 48.

    Sly

    May 13, 2013 at 1:32 am

    @sherparick:

    Surprisingly, Jaimie Lannister, despite the the Bran tossing incident, is becoming a favorite.

    Sympathy through suffering is big in A Song of Ice and Fire. Likable characters who suffer become more likable because they suffer, and unlikable characters become less unlikable through the same process.

    Jaime not only suffers now, but we’re afforded a window into his past and ongoing suffering through his interactions with Brienne (particularly the bath scene). Revealing that he saved half a million people from a genocidal madman probably upped his image in a lot of people’s eyes, but the fact that he gets treated like shit for it? That wipes away a lot of his flaws, because those flaws start to make more sense.

    @Heywood J.:

    And Jesus, poor Theon….

    Case in point.

  49. 49.

    Suzanne

    May 13, 2013 at 1:38 am

    @ruemara: I had to have my mom involuntarily committed a month ago because she is suicidal.

    So now, because she has no health insurance, she’s living at my house.

    This is going as well as you would expect.

  50. 50.

    Comrade Mary

    May 13, 2013 at 1:41 am

    I am fucking tired of the Theon torture porn. Really, really tired of it.

    I’ve also been OK with the changes from the book this season, but I didn’t care for much of the new, clunky and draggy scene-setting in this episode. I was hoping that they would cover the whole book this season, but it does look as if they’ll end on the big scenes about 3/4 of the way into the book.

    I guess there wasn’t enough time in ten episodes to do justice to the whole thing, but the season has been going at a good pace up until now, but I wish they had scattered some new material throughout the season. It’s feeling a bit soapy right now.

  51. 51.

    MikeJ

    May 13, 2013 at 1:45 am

    Euclid’s editor is a character in this thing?

  52. 52.

    The prophet Nostradumbass

    May 13, 2013 at 1:48 am

    @Comrade Mary: There was a scene in tonight’s episode that actually reminded me a bit of “Castle Anthrax” in Holy Grail. Until it turned disgusting, that is.

  53. 53.

    Steeplejack

    May 13, 2013 at 1:57 am

    Can a brother get unmoderated up in here?

  54. 54.

    NotMax

    May 13, 2013 at 2:04 am

    Too cute by half to headline a word which we peons are forbidden from including.

  55. 55.

    The prophet Nostradumbass

    May 13, 2013 at 2:07 am

    Not the best picture, but my brother made this for Mother’s Day dessert.

  56. 56.

    MikeJ

    May 13, 2013 at 2:10 am

    @The prophet Nostradumbass: Nice!

    I took my mom out for dinner. The woman at the table behind us were going on about how at least Bush would stand up to terrorists. Mom & Dad got to shade their faces as I loudly told them that nobody is standing up to bin Laden now unless they have a submarine.

  57. 57.

    Debbie(aussie)

    May 13, 2013 at 2:15 am

    Can someone please point me in the right direction to understand what the hell this categorisation is all about.(ignorance now flashing) never heard of it before but sounds interesting.

  58. 58.

    Debbie(aussie)

    May 13, 2013 at 2:18 am

    This might give some of you a bit of a laugh too.
    http://delimiter.com.au/2013/04/30/us-ambassador-begs-australians-stop-pirating-game-of-thrones/

  59. 59.

    Nerdlinger

    May 13, 2013 at 2:39 am

    @Debbie(aussie): Some links

  60. 60.

    Debbie(aussie)

    May 13, 2013 at 2:41 am

    Ok, googled- have heard of Dungeons & Dragons, never AD&D and not the categories. More research!

  61. 61.

    Debbie(aussie)

    May 13, 2013 at 2:52 am

    @Nerdlinger:
    Thanks, helps immensely. And it is as Interesting as it sounded.
    Gawd, I feel old and really out of touch. But I have book as over-flowing with fantasy.

  62. 62.

    daveNYC

    May 13, 2013 at 4:05 am

    I think Joffrey is actually just straight up evil. That’s actually a legit AD&D allignment, though the only thing I remember having it was some small worm thing that was what happened to the soul of someone who ended up in one of the evil afterlifes.

    Basically though, Joffery doesn’t show much in the way of what I would consider L/N/C traits. He doesn’t have a code or keep his word, he’s not a wild and crazy guy, nor does he split the difference in any real way. He’s basically just weak willed except for the fact that he wants to hurt people.

  63. 63.

    raven

    May 13, 2013 at 5:23 am

    Make this thread stop, please.

  64. 64.

    raven

    May 13, 2013 at 6:07 am

    Oh boy Scarborough is going off the rails about the IRS! “It’s chilling, it’s frightening!”

  65. 65.

    raven

    May 13, 2013 at 6:13 am

    Willie “Is their any indication the administration had any knowledge or involvement in this?” Lisa Meyers “ZERO, NONE, NOTHING AT ALL”.

  66. 66.

    geg6

    May 13, 2013 at 6:22 am

    Wow. This like wandering into a room, seeing dozens of people I know and finding out they can only speak Chinese now. And I can’t.

    Outta here!

  67. 67.

    raven

    May 13, 2013 at 6:34 am

    @geg6: I hear ya!

  68. 68.

    gene108

    May 13, 2013 at 6:49 am

    Good lord, what is wrong with some of you people?

    Littlefinger chaotic?

    The guy works within the system and doesn’t break any laws.

    He’s Lawful Evil or at the most Neutral Evil.

  69. 69.

    JPL

    May 13, 2013 at 6:59 am

    @raven: Have fun today! When do you return to the land of rednecks?

  70. 70.

    Schlemizel

    May 13, 2013 at 7:01 am

    @raven:

    This one has me upset for 2 reasons

    First – The government has a lot of power and I don’t want it targeted any any one group specifically. This is a bad thing and I want to know how and why it happened.

    Second – it gives a very real body to the grievances of the baggers. This will feed their paranoia and anger and be the response any time someone laughs at one of their paranoid delusions.

  71. 71.

    jayackroyd

    May 13, 2013 at 7:35 am

    @sherparick: We’re still a season behind, on the netflix viewing plan, so I can’t talk about this season. I’ve read the books. When I said something to Mrs Jay (she hasn’t read the books) about Jaime she looked at me like I was a psychopath.

    Great characters. (And I have no idea what Cole is talking about other than it involves some role playing game.)

  72. 72.

    geg6

    May 13, 2013 at 7:36 am

    @Schlemizel:

    The Baggers can take their whining and blow it out their asses. The Bushies sicced the IRS on plenty of liberal and anti-war groups during that abomination of an administation, many actually costing the organizations institutional funds, outside funding and some lost their tax exemptions. ACORN was hounded and refunded and destroyed by these fuckers. They tried to do the same to Planned Parenthood, which has failed so far but which they relentlessly continue to attempt. No Tea Party organizations were sanctioned, they had their tax exemptions approved, and they got a public apology. Add in the gritting and financial hanky panky of the 1%ers who fund the Tea Party groups and forgive me if I don’t feel much need to determine why it may seem prudent to give them a bit of extra oversight.

  73. 73.

    Zandar

    May 13, 2013 at 7:44 am

    I agree with MGK’s chart there.

    Littlefinger is the towering epitome of Lawful Evil (master working the system for your own personal game at the expense of others). Varys is also classic Lawful Neutral (Preserve the order of realm of Westeros no matter who has to die). Joffrey is all of Chaotic Evil as it gets (He believes as king he *is* the system, and rules by caprice bordering on sociopathic madness.)

    Likewise, characters change. Jon Snow has gone from Lawful Good (he actually believes in the code of the Night’s Watch and its mission) to Chaotic Good (he’s abandoned that code to run with Team Mance and Ygritte and loses more and more of his personal code daily.) Arya goes from Chaotic Good (punching bullies and swording things) to True Neutral (“The One True God is Death” she tells Berric.) Dany goes from Chaotic Neutral (Whatever, as long as I’m with Drogo) to Neutral Good (I will free the slaves of the these city-states by whatever means I can and use them in my army of Good and Awesome, now with Dragons.)

    One constant however. Starks make terrible decisions. Competence doesn’t have an alignment.

  74. 74.

    Schlemizel

    May 13, 2013 at 7:51 am

    @geg6:

    I agree with your comments about the previous administration and the baggers. I probably was not clear that my concern there is that they now will seem justified and will always have this as a comeback when someone tries to explain that there are no FEMA camps etc. It just feeds their paranoia.

  75. 75.

    gene108

    May 13, 2013 at 7:52 am

    The Smithsonian Channel had a documentary about McCarthy/McCarthyism this morning.

    What struck me as interesting is how Republican ratfucking basically got it’s start in the Red Scare era, with Tail Gunner Joe and Nixon, though McCarthy was initially the more public face of ratfucking.

    1. He wined and dined the media to get favorable access/coverage.
    2. Nixon and other Republicans happily rode his witch hunt, as long as it was directed at a Democratic administration.
    3. McCarthy only got into trouble because he didn’t “stand down”, once Republicans got control of the White House.

    Pretty much all modern Republican ratfucking starts with Nixon and his acolytes. And Nixon got his start redbaiting in the 1940’s.

    The rot within the Republican Party goes back a very, very long way. A lot longer than I originally thought.

  76. 76.

    jayackroyd

    May 13, 2013 at 7:55 am

    Inferring away with these categories. So which is Omar? Or, I guess, I should ask whether this been done with the Wire? And has Aiden Gillen become typecast across all universes?

  77. 77.

    jayackroyd

    May 13, 2013 at 8:06 am

    @gene108:

    It’s worth rereading, periodically, this piece by Rick Pearlstein on the historical alignment of the parties.

  78. 78.

    Morbo

    May 13, 2013 at 8:20 am

    @jayackroyd: Indeed it has.

  79. 79.

    Butch

    May 13, 2013 at 8:23 am

    Once again on the trailing edge of culture – what the hell is a GoT?

  80. 80.

    jayackroyd

    May 13, 2013 at 8:35 am

    @Morbo: Thanks! That was very helpful.

  81. 81.

    Cassidy

    May 13, 2013 at 8:50 am

    GoT is GURP’s.

  82. 82.

    Steeplejack (tablet)

    May 13, 2013 at 9:10 am

    @Butch:

    Game of Thrones on HBO.

  83. 83.

    Crop Dusted

    May 13, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    “No spoilers, but a lot of really big plot turns tonight…”

    There are at least two things wrong with this clause. First of all, for those of us who don’t even want to see the expressions on faces of people leaving the movie we are about to see, to announce that there are “really big plot turns” is in fact a spoiler.

    Second, what GoT were you watching? Was there a single “plot turn,” big or otherwise? (sorry, even to ask the question is a spoiler, but it was rhetorical–i.e., there were no frigging “plot turns.”)

  84. 84.

    MC Simon Milligan

    May 13, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    GoT, or, rather, ASoIaF, is way too big a deconstructor fleet to allow alignment pegging.

  85. 85.

    John

    May 13, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    D&D alignments are stupid. The Palladium Role Playing alignment system is far superior and corresponds much better to how human beings actually act. {/super nerd}

  86. 86.

    Medicine Man

    May 13, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Littlefinger is out to protect the interests of one person, Littlefinger. While it hasn’t been shown (or happened) yet in the HBO show, Petyr Baelish is behind two rather significant assassinations, both engineered specifically to create opportunities for himself–and to prevent his rivals from securing their own power. While he does indeed appear to be the archetypical magnificent bastard there is simply no way he is Lawful Evil. Varys’ observations and interaction with him, particularly Petyr’s monologue at the end of the episode “Climb” (chaos is a ladder, etc), tend to be dead giveaways as to his nature. He is definately NE or CE. For my part I think Littlefinger is that rarely seen species of Chaotic Evil mastermind; devoid of compassion, 100% motivated by self interest, quick to break the rules when he can get away with it.

  87. 87.

    Gopher2b

    May 13, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    @Draven:

    Littlefinger is evil fo sure

  88. 88.

    Gopher2b

    May 13, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    @Zandar:

    Can the King be anything but Lawful?

  89. 89.

    Phoenician in a time of Romans

    May 13, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    @red dog:

    Ygritte is the only one I trust beside Hodor of course.

    I suggest you start drinking heavily about halfway through next season then…

  90. 90.

    Phoenician in a time of Romans

    May 13, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Let me help:

    Littlefinger – Chaotic Conniving
    Cersai – Clueless Conniving

    Joffrey – Backpfeifengesicht Evil
    Tywin – Competent Evil
    Tyrion – Conniving Good
    Jaime – Regretful Neutral

    Varys – Reflecting Whatever
    Arya – Revengeful Neutral
    Sansa – Clueless Romantic
    Ned – Headless Good
    Ygrette – Chaotic Sexy
    Jon Snow – Sexy knows nothing

    Theon – Clueless Conniving
    Stannis – Lawful Asshole
    Margeary – Competent Conniving
    Lady Olan – Omnicompetent Conniving

  91. 91.

    Phoenician in a time of Romans

    May 13, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    @gene108:

    Littlefinger chaotic?

    The guy works within the system and doesn’t break any laws.

    Not quite – he works within the system when he can advance (*), and when he can’t, he shatters stability so he can profit by picking up the pieces (**).

    (*) i.e. right up to the point of being “Master of Coin” with a piddly little feudal holding.

    (**) i.e. De jure title to Harrenhall, regency in the Vale, and a good chance of uniting the Vale and the North through occupation of Sansa Stark’s teenaged body.

  92. 92.

    Medicine Man

    May 13, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    @Phoenician in a time of Romans:

    Not to mention his very recent monologue where he tells Varys upfront that he regards tradition as lies agreed upon and that gaming the system to advance is the only real social construct worth acknowledging. A man who has no convictions regarding the shape of society but bends to the rules when convenient and safe is not necessarily “lawful”. Compare and contrast Petyr’s motives and views to Tywin’s or Varys’, two obviously lawful characters.

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